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Trinnov Interview - New Alitude Ci - Stunning new Paris HQ details revealed
Have you ever wondered what happens when you place 22 identical speakers around a dining room in Versailles? For Trinov Audio founder Arnaud Laborie, this experiment revealed how dramatically speaker placement affects sound reproduction, sparking a revolution in 3D audio processing that continues to this day.
David Meyerowitz takes us through Trinnov's fascinating journey from its early experiments to its current position as an audio processing innovator. The company's philosophy centres on high spatial resolution through multiple speakers, with their Optimizer technology correcting phase and impulse response issues that acoustic treatments alone cannot address. "For me it's not a race," David explains about their methodical approach to development, "it's about supporting people if I can."
Trinnov is entering an exciting new chapter with the upcoming release of their Altitude CI processor at CEDIA Denver. This innovative product embraces audio-over-IP technology, replacing traditional analogue connections with network-based distribution for greater flexibility and simplified wiring. Meanwhile, construction continues on their groundbreaking new Paris headquarters—a purpose-built facility featuring an 8x8x8 meter anechoic chamber, variable acoustic labs, and multiple demo spaces. The building itself reflects Trinov's attention to detail, with Arnaud personally selecting from dozens of concrete finish samples to achieve the perfect aesthetic.
Beyond the technology, we explore David's participation in the 55-mile London to Brighton charity bike ride for Together For Cinema, which creates cinema rooms in children's hospices. In true enthusiast fashion, David plans to extend his journey to 280 miles by cycling from his Suffolk home to the starting line and back again afterwards. His dedication mirrors Trinnov's commitment to pushing boundaries while giving back to the community.
Visit Trinnov's YouTube channel to see incredible case studies across residential, pro audio, and commercial cinema applications, or explore their website's technology section for in-depth white papers on their groundbreaking audio solutions.
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David Meyerowitz:Research into very high resolution three-dimensional audio that they call ambisonics. That was where he really got into working with 3D sound and there's a lovely image that we have that we put on for training and other things. Where he's in his grandmother's dining room in Versailles, he's got all these speakers 22 speakers dotted around him. Remember, first of all, we're fundamentally an R&D company, so the R&D facilities are going to be fantastic.
David Meyerowitz:So first thing is going to be an anechoic chamber, so 8 by 8 by 8 meter anechoic chamber, and there is I can't really talk about it at the moment. There's some talks of what that that might be able to achieve um, and it should be um something pretty groundbreaking. So I'll leave that for another podcast. He took a lot of time looking at the finish of the concrete as well, because there's no sort of interior decoration. Uh, as such is that it is the. The concrete is the final finish. We're changing our focus to showcase our new hardware platform, our new product. So we've got this new product called the Altitude CI coming for CEDIA Denver.
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Stuart Burgess:Hi and welcome to the HCA Tech Talk podcast. My name is Stuart Burgess and I'm your host for today. My guest David from Trinnov Hi, thanks for having me today, stuart. So we've done a podcast before, but before we sort of did this podcast and it was a bit like Pulse Cinemas, hca sort of thing. So for anybody who hasn't seen that podcast, introduce yourself, tell me who you are, who you work for, and then we'll go from there.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, lovely, thanks, Stuart. Yeah, so I'm David Meyerowitz from Trinnov audio. Um. I've been in the industry for, uh, about 12 years now, so I've done a bit of time with distribution. So I did actually work for the midwich group, which is obviously now part of the, uh, the pulse family um, and then I moved on to manufacture with trinnov about six years ago now.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah, so that's that's me yeah, because I think, um, I know, when we said it before was like I think we first met with envision. Yeah, when, uh, you were training me on luxul, I think yeah probably luxor or rti or any of the above.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah so it's small world, isn't it? Because, uh, we, we've got a podcast coming out with Kapes, um, who was one of the founders of Pulse, and yeah, it's quite funny, isn't it? It's like I think we said in that one, or I said on the podcast before, how people move from job to job, but then you end up finding the person who left company A. They then go to company B and then company B ends up joining up with company A, or you know.
David Meyerowitz:We're not a big industry. Fundamentally are we, you know. So yeah, things come around.
Stuart Burgess:So tell us so obviously. Recent times with Trinov we've obviously you guys have put out waveforming Yep, which is obviously going down really well. We've got some people that are implemented into their projects and really nice showrooms out there. We recently met Mehmet from Ultimate Home Cinema. Oh, fabulous, yeah, he went out to Priscilla with us and of course he's done his little showroom stroke home cinema from here and he's gone big down the way of waveforming and for someone who is this isn't his day job, knows a hell of a lot about waveforming.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, he absolutely does. He's one of those that really does read around the subject and understands the science before you get ahead to what the system can do. But yeah, I remember talking to Mehmet oh good a couple of years ago about the system, and so it's great to see that he's got it realised and finalised now.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah, I've got to go up and see it actually because I wouldn't mind doing a sort of like a little tour video from there and just going up and seeing him, because you know, talking to him at this thing out of Priscilla, he's really sort of got the bit between his teeth in getting that millimet of the room.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, he's definitely that, that character he's, you know, he's uh, yeah, he comes from the enthusiast part of the the industry. Who's who's, you know, turned it around to to be a a sort of yeah, a secondary job for him, really, you know designing and specifying. So, yeah, he's got a lot of great knowledge out there I think that's that's quite true of our industry.
Stuart Burgess:I mean, like I think how I settled on coming into this industry was I was doing another job. I sold that business to my business partner. You know, I had a set floor stand when I was living at home with mum and dad when I was 18 and managed to create a career out of it. So I think there are a lot of people who do this as a job now, yeah, but it is also because it's something they love and their hobby.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, definitely, I came at it from a completely different angle. So I came at it from the retail perspective. So, yeah, I didn't know the industry existed and it was a fortunate advert in the local paper as it was then no LinkedIn or anything of that nature and yeah, I stumbled into the industry and here I am, best part of a decade later and, and yeah, loving every minute so that was with envision, was it?
David Meyerowitz:yeah, that's right, that was so. My consumer electronics, um retail was with, uh, the comet group as it was at the time before they went bust. Yeah, uh, unfortunately. So that obviously forced me to look for other things and, uh, yeah, stumbled across a job with a, with a small company based on a small industrial estate in suffolk, and we go from there, so, yeah, excellent.
Stuart Burgess:So, uh, let's just do a brief history of trinnov, yeah, how it was sort of like uh formed a little bit of its history obviously the introduction of waveforming and then obviously the new facilities that are opening up in Paris yeah, so so if you for people who've not met you, people who don't know much about Trinov or have not seen a podcast with you talking about Trinov, I mean you've done a few. Included another one with me. Yeah, give us a bit brief history of Trinov and the, the passion and the ethos behind it.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, I will do so. We've got three main founders. Those who are more familiar with some of the content that you'll see throughout the industry will know of Arno Labri. You'll have seen his face. Arno is our CEO. He started the company back in the early 2000s so he was doing fundamental research into very high resolution three-dimensional audio that they call ambisonics. That was where he really got into working with 3d sound and there's a lovely image that we have that we put on for training and other things, where he's in his grandmother's dining room in Versailles. He's got all these speakers 22 speakers dotted around him, and it was at that point where he realized that actually creating a coherent sound between all of those speakers even though they were identical, just placing those in different places of the room made such a profound difference on how the audio recreated within that speaker array, and so his first job was to fix that, and that's where the optimizer was born.
David Meyerowitz:So early 2000s we were doing oem products for a number of manufacturers, mainly in the broadcast industry, working with the orf in paris, um, the state broadcaster, and then, as we windle our way through and we started making our own products under the, under the trinov brand, um, and yeah, getting into the sort of 2010 sort of, uh, 2015 sort of region, the altitude 32 was born, which is our flagship product, still is our flagship product today. The architecture being a software, updatable and a modular chassis, means that it has a far superior lifespan to normal consumer electronics, which are just simply not designed in the same way. And then we move through again. Just, you know, more technology as time goes on. We're fundamentally a technology company.
David Meyerowitz:So, moving into the realm of active acoustics, which is where waveforming came in, as you've, as you've mentioned, and you know, really that's been a project of seven. It's been in the market for two years now and five, six years previous years of research into it. So, yeah, that kind of brings us up to to sort of where we are today, really, um, where we're now at the point of moving to a new headquarters. So we've got a new office being built in paris, um ground up completely, our our own design, um arno labry, in the only way arno can do it, um literally presented a 3d render to the architect. He was like, yeah, here's what here's what I want.
David Meyerowitz:This is, you know. Let's go and make it um.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah, he doesn't do anything by half sarno for sure, must be one of the easiest jobs ever, for the architect was like this is what I want. Here's a 3d render on it. This is how it goes together exactly.
David Meyerowitz:Just just get people to build it for me yeah, he'd done all the research into the various different um building methodologies with the concrete. When we eventually get you over to Paris, I'll get Arno to give you the talk on the concrete. It's a bit of an inside joke but actually you know, the way he's constructed the building from a sound isolation perspective is why we went with predominantly concrete and then, you know, separating all our different demo rooms from lab spaces and all this sort of thing. And then he took a lot of time looking at the finish of the concrete as well, because there's no sort of interior decoration as such. It is that the concrete is the final finish. So that, you know, was meticulously looked into different varieties. So that was meticulously looked into different varieties. I think I remember him saying he had something like 30 or 40 different panels, sample panels, that he was looking at for this particular concrete render. So yeah, he's done far more work than you would expect. Let's put it that way.
Stuart Burgess:Knowing obviously I don't think I've ever met him, but knowing of him. It doesn't surprise me. You know, in the conversations we've had about Trinov and the passion that he has for the products, you know the formation of waveforming. You know that original photograph that I've seen on Trinov training before. It doesn't surprise me. It doesn't surprise me. It's almost like the grand designs where you know Kevin MacLeod turns around and goes. You know if the client's doing the project management, you know it's going to take six months or a year longer and go up by about 20% in cost because they'll come in and go. I need the wall moved or I need the door there or I need this. I need that.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, gotcha, I mean, that's very much Arno's approach. He's hands-on with everything and he still refers to Trinov as the project. It's still a project for him, it's still his baby. You know that's. Yeah, he's got a lot more to give for this project and this move to a new facility is sort of stage. Well, we call it internally, we call it Trinov 3.0. So the third generation of Trinov. So from Arno's grandmother's living room in Versailles, that was 1.0. The existing office we have in Paris with the team there, that's 2.0. And then moving into the future with 3.0, that's where we're headed.
Stuart Burgess:So going back to the products. With 3.0, that's where we're headed. So going back to the products.
David Meyerowitz:So you have the um altitude 32, the altitude 16, amplitude 16 yep. And then we do have hi-fi uh products as well.
David Meyerowitz:So we have a preamp uh processor called the amethyst yeah, yeah, um, and commercial products, yeah. So pro audio products. Actually, the Nova, which is our pro audio product for studios, so for smaller 5.1 or smaller multi-stereo studios, is actually a product that's very significant for us because it's a new generation of hardware, so that's been very significant for us. We do other multi-channel processors for atmos studios and mixing mastering studios as well, and then into commercial cinema as well.
Stuart Burgess:We do audio processors for for 5.1 and 7.1 commercial theaters as well so on a domestic point of view, um, because this podcast goes out to consumers as well as professionals, as, hopefully, as well as everybody um, uh, so trinov processing, um, basically, is the platform that processes the incoming feed from the sources, yeah, and then that gets output to the, the, either an amplitude or a third party like meridian or something like that. So explain the difference between the 32 and 16, really, and the benefits of using Trinov and the optimizer and obviously, new software that I know is coming out.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, we'll touch on that in a short while. So, as an essence, you've got your black box. It's designed to offer so many outputs. So, depending on how many speakers you need, how many subwoofers you need, we prefer to render all of the speakers individually. You can array speakers together. We prefer not to do that.
David Meyerowitz:So we've always been a proponent of high channel count, so a high spatial resolution of speakers, and the real sort of reasoning behind that is the more speakers you have in a three-dimensional space, the higher the resolution and the more accurate the reproduction. In terms of placement of the audio, where the mixer decided I want that bullet to go from there to there. The more speakers you have, the closer it can render it to that actual position. So we've always been a proponent of that. So that's why we started with the biggest model, the altitude 32, so that was able to uh, to utilize 32 speaker outputs. Um, we then actually created an extension product to go up to 64 potential speaker output channels for some of the sort of more elaborate projects out there. And then we came in with the Altitude 16 sometime later around 2018, if I remember correctly as a sort of fixed platform that we were, I guess, trying to make more, I guess, hit a different price points the altitude 32. You know you pay a premium for uh, for trinov, anyway, because of our, you know we do everything ourselves, we don't rely on third parties, so it's all our own technologies. So clearly we have a huge r&d cost associated to that. But the fixed 16 channel outputs was a was a great step forward in in bringing um, you know, not a cheaper product but a more attainable product to market at that sweet spot of sort of 16 to 20 speaker channels. That's sort of where we headed.
David Meyerowitz:So behind all of that, regardless of which box you use, whether it's commercial cinema or the pro audio product, is the Trinov optimizer.
David Meyerowitz:Um, that's the key. That is, the um was what we would term the speaker room correction. Um, you know there is no such thing as a perfect speaker, there is no such thing as a perfect room and you know you need uh to get the best out of these, these um, these systems where you have multiple speakers, you need a level of correction over the top, whether that's simply just level aligning speakers, delaying them all so the sounds reach the main listening position at the same time, or, if you take it further, like we do, going into what we call phase correction and impulse correction to get the perfect imaging between all of the speakers. I think we're all, and tell me if I'm wrong, but I think we're all fairly happy with what happens when you put two speakers in a room and you hear the voice coming from the middle of it as what we call a stereo image. Now, try and do that with 20 speakers, and that's the goal of the Trinov Optimizer. And that comes back to where Arno started, back in his grandmother's living room.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah, because I can remember you came to I think it was Merton and did a calibration job for us. It's yourself, you and Ian at the time. Yeah.
David Meyerowitz:I remember.
Stuart Burgess:And I remember you were showing me how to do the optimizer. This was before the Trinov training courses. Yeah, you were showing me how to do the optimizer and I remember I went off and did St Kouz cause you know was doing some other bits and pieces. And I remember you, you playing um, I think it was, a star is born, yeah, uh, the classic clip that we all know inside out, still not watching the movie um, and I remember walking in there and going bloody hell, that sounds good. It was a set of dsp 8000s, I think, and, and I remember you saying you said that sounds amazing, the imagery and that, and you went yeah, that's just the front right and just the, the fact of the, the, the software, and the. Uh, the optimizer lets you just sort of go down to that finite detail to be able to calibrate each individual speaker to its optimum.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, that's the whole thing. And you know, again, we work in complement with passive acoustics as well. You know it would be remiss of anybody to say that you know the electronics can solve everything, because they just can't. You know there's certain things that you treat in the passive domain with your acoustic treatment, whether that be, you know, carpet, or whether that be absorption panels, diffusion panels or other methods, but there's stuff that that can't do. You know you can calm down reflections with acoustic material, but you can't correct for phase with acoustic material, and that's something that electroacoustic optimization allows you to do.
David Meyerowitz:As you correctly said, you've got all of those tools in the toolbox and, as Trinov, we have the most extensive set of tools in that toolbox. And the whole point of the training that we offer and you know, as you grow with your experience with the product is learning which of those tools to utilize at what occasion. As with anything, if you throw everything at it, it's just going to sound over processed and and and just unnatural. But being selective, using the tools with, with finite adjustment, that's, that's the benefit you get yeah, well, things you say.
Stuart Burgess:I mean I know our friend james and I'm probably gonna muller this james from home play said in the video we just done from him recently he's like you put a bad speaker in a bad room and you're gonna get a bad system yeah you put a good speaker in a good room and you're gonna get a good speaker in a bad room, you're gonna get an okay system.
Stuart Burgess:but you put a great speaker in a great room, where you're going to get a great system, and I think a lot of people will look at the kit they're buying, like you know, this short throw epson we've got in front of here or you know they'll buy it because that's what they want. Um, but they is the importance of and I know in a future podcast we're going to go into rooms and acoustics and things like that, and our friends Owen and Tom, they do a podcast, a home cinema design podcast, I think, which goes more into the finite detail of it, which I know you've been on, actually the importance of a room and treating the sound in the room before there's even any equipment in the room.
David Meyerowitz:It's like anything you know. I could think of any number in the room. It's it's. It's like anything you know I could. I could think of any number of analogies, whether it's cars or whether it's whatever, but it wishes cars yeah well, cars are great analogy, you know.
David Meyerowitz:If you think of that formula one car, you know you've got the best of the best equipment. What happens when you put it on the motorway? Yeah well, he's stuck in traffic. It can only do 60, 70 miles an hour if you're. If you're lucky, especially on the m25, you take that to a racetrack that is designed to allow the car to, to unleash all of that performance. That's exactly the same as what you're doing with speakers and rooms and all the other stuff. So, yeah, this is why, as an industry, we need system integrators and system designers um, you know to to take this holistic approach to designing a audio video system, whatever that may be, if it's, you know, just a few in-ceiling speakers for background music, it doesn't mean that it needs any less care and attention, you know, to get good results.
Stuart Burgess:Well, I think you take it, you know, like to architecture. You know there's a reason. An architect is an architect. They are doing that finite detail where, yeah, I could build a wall, I could put a ceiling on, I could watch YouTube to work out how a wall and an apex of a ceiling go together, or a roof to put guttering in. But the architect knows that finite detail and I think you know that's where a HCA member, a CDA member, an integrator comes into it, where we can design it.
Stuart Burgess:You know, I know personally, you know I'll happily design a cinema for someone who wants to do it as a DIY project, because I've been there, I've been that kid who wants to do a DIY project. Yeah, we should indulge that, yeah, and I think we should. And then we've got people like Mehmet who are, you know, a doing a DIY cinema. He's just got the knowledge and the budget to to do something he really wants to do at his own home and produce something stunning. And I think that's where you know a professional working together with you know a manufacturer like Trinov, and you know distributors of other products, could help you put together a great cinema. Yeah, 100%.
Stuart Burgess:So with Trinov, I know we've got new software coming out, I know we've just I know you've just been up here recently doing Trinov level 2 certification, which, annoyingly, I had to bail from. So there's now people that are Trinov level 2 and I'm still Trinov level one.
David Meyerowitz:There's time, there's always time.
Stuart Burgess:So tell us a little bit about the roadmap, as much as you can do for Trinov in respects of the product side of it. We know the showroom facility in Paris is coming up, so tell us a little about the roadmap for Trinov.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah. So 2025 is a very, very significant year for Trinov. It is a transitional year for us. We've got a lot of stuff that we want to progress forwards, but with the big focus on the new office, we have to manage our resources carefully, let's put it that way. So I mentioned to you about the Nova product. I know that's something that doesn't come into the residential market, but what's really significant about that product is the hardware architecture that it's based upon and that, for us, is a new generation of hardware.
David Meyerowitz:So for those who aren't familiar with the makeup of a Trinoff product, it's fundamentally based around a PC. The audio signals are separate on bespoke audio boards, but all of the horsepower and computation, everything is done by the PC. That gives us enormous flexibility. It's why the Altitude 32 is 10 years old and it's still arguably the market-leading product by whatever specification and number you want to tick. The nova brings us into a another dimension of that, where we can reduce reliance on the pc because now it's got a processor on board, the main audio board. That allows us to do a lot.
David Meyerowitz:So it has its limitations. You know, sort of 16 channels is that limitation? Um? So, going over and above that, we, we then recouple with a pc, but in a different way, um to allow us to continue to develop these um, these very um, you know, high performance, uh, high channel count products. Um, so we're coming up to the cd us show, yeah, okay, um, I know you've mentioned that, that sadly you're, you're probably not going to make it this year, um, but again, we'll you know we'll, we'll, we'll, um, we'll do plenty of uh of advertising and and, uh, you know, opportunities getting serious FOMO already and I'm, and it's going to be.
Stuart Burgess:No, I sort of looked at going and was just like can I uh take it out of the business at the moment, um, and then, yeah, I think I'm going to go all in with IC next year, um, uh, in February-ish time, uh, so obviously, yeah, so Trinov are going to be at CDA Denver yeah, and we're changing the way we do things slightly.
David Meyerowitz:So we've done for many years now we've done the big audio demo and it's become a focal point of the show for a lot of home cinema specialists and dealers.
Stuart Burgess:I mean it was by far my highlight of last year. I mean that was dialed up to 12 on a 10 level scale.
David Meyerowitz:We do dial it up for shows.
Stuart Burgess:I can still feel the shotgun from the John Wick movie pulsing through my arteries.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, we do take it. You wouldn't listen to a movie A at that volume and B with that amount of bass. We do pump it up for the shows just to make a spectacle, but it's a very hard build for us. It's a very hard build for us, you know. We partner with Ophicina Acoustica and then our speaker manufacturer of choice for the given shows Projection. You know a lot of partners. But it's a four-day build fundamentally, particularly for ISE, for only a three-day show or two-day show. The US is the same, it's a four-day show, but you know it's a big build for us and it's very, very expensive. Even just shipping products around the world now has got infinitely more expensive, let alone taking containers on ships to get these things over to the US. So not that we don't want to put that budget into demonstration, but we're changing focus, um to showcase our new hardware platform and our new product, um. So we've got this new product called the altitude ci uh coming for cd denver. Um, we'll be making all the announcements at the end of august so hopefully by the time this podcast goes out there'll be a bit more information in the public domain, um, but we're embracing sort of more modern technologies for sending audio signals. So we're moving that particular product towards an audio over IP platform. So, rather than sending audio over an analog audio cable, whether that be an XLR or an RCA, whatever your cable of choice is we're now moving those audio streams as they are now onto a network.
David Meyerowitz:This has a number of benefits. It also has some drawbacks, but it has a number of benefits. You know it takes away a lot of complexity of wiring. You know, trying to match all the cables together when you've got multiple amplifiers, potentially with speakers being bridged, basically putting two channels together to get more power, that makes the cabling quite complicated. We choose to use a DB25 connector, a serial connector, on the back of the unit to save space. Okay, so breaking out those into xlr's and then back in and out it's, it can get complicated. So audio over ip really solves that as an issue, because it's now just a virtual matrix. You know, you've got all these points going from point a to point b and you direct it via a piece of software. That makes things incredibly flexible, um, incredibly scalable. But it also means that we can tailor the project for just the number of output channels we need and we can easily add more if needed. If the customer decides oh actually, let's go for waveforming, let's do it, let's add a few more subwoofers. We can just add channels via a license and enable those audio streams. So you're not paying for things that you don't need, and that's the real benefit of the technology.
David Meyerowitz:As I mentioned, it does have some drawbacks, you know it's. It's not um, you know, designed to be um. The highest quality connection, that analog connection is still a higher quality or can be a higher quality with um. You know different qualities of of source content. But that convenience factor simplified wiring and scalability is something that audio over ip is, is is being greatly adopted by. So yeah, we're, we're showcasing this product. It's very exciting. We've been doing audio over ip for a number of years in the pro audio market, so we're not new to this um. But we've waited until now to release a product when it's when it's right for the market. So that's what we're doing so.
Stuart Burgess:So with this, with this technology, obviously that's been in the pro market more oh yeah, infinite for a number of years. So if we're standing looking at an av rack, yeah, what would we see? Um like, so we've got the speakers coming. The speakers coming in via a digital cable, or are they coming in via a?
David Meyerowitz:traditional could be, could be. So the the nice thing about audio over ip is that if you've got, um, a speaker, that that is amplified locally like a meridian, like a meridian, or uh, yeah, they're very well. They're actually an interesting example because their their connection is via an ethernet cable. Yeah, but it's not actually an ip connection, so it's not on a on a, on a internal network as such.
David Meyerowitz:But in that example, yes, you are connecting effectively your active speaker to a network switch, which is quite unusual so a little bit like um uh, just our power so you're taking yours you're taking your sources and you're taking your inputs and your outputs via a network switch and then that's handling all the switching yeah, it's the same analogy, whether it's a matrix and a balance or a whatever um scenario, it's that that same sort of uh, you know, source and end point.
David Meyerowitz:So it is a different way of um building the architecture of the project. So, yeah, you'll see your, your same av gear, um, you know, in in the rack, um, what you may see is another network switch which will be dedicated for this audio over ip side of the network. So, yeah, we do need to and this is where the complexity is coming because we do really need to segregate that traffic, um, for you know to, so you don't interfere with other signals on the network, um, but also so that nothing else interferes with the audio stream, because there's nothing worse than audio dropping out because something else is trying to get at that bandwidth or data yeah, it will sit.
Stuart Burgess:It will sit there on its own yeah, exactly, or just do its thing, or you know as a separate entity, a little bit game like going back to you. You just have powers and things like that, where that part of the system, the actual network switch, sits on the network, but the the traffic is completely separate, so it doesn't okay.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah there's a number of different ways of attacking it, and something that we're we're promoting very heavily with the, the altitude ci as a product, is it has multiple network interfaces, so it means that we actually have a small network switch, effectively in the back of that unit anyway. Okay, so in its simplest form, we can connect directly to our amplitude 16 amplifier with its Dante audio over IP module without the need for a network switch. Okay, so we're trying to utilize this technology in in the best way. So we want to make it um as as simple and as reliable as possible where it needs to be, but also um work with the complexities.
David Meyerowitz:Now you take a super yacht as an example. Um, you know where. You've got um limited space to put a rack. You might have a rack in the cupboard here. This might be, you know, local to the, to the projector or the tv, whatever's powering that room, but all of the other products might be 50 meters away, you know, in another rack location. So being able to link those via the network provides a lot of advantages and scalability there.
Stuart Burgess:Well, as you said, you know, going back to our friend James at Homeplay, you know the project we just did for them recently or videoed for them. That's a townhouse in central London. Space is a premium like it is in a yacht. So actually to have a 4U you know amplitude, sorry 4U altitude, with maybe a four u amplitude, with a collide escape with a at apple tv you know you're up to 15 u and you know 15 u rack in a yacht is a lot of retail space it is.
David Meyerowitz:It is absolutely, and you know again the the nice thing about utilizing um, an ip based product, is we don't have to have as many cards inside the unit itself. So if you open up an altitude, there's a lot of different boards in there. And then on the left-hand side there's a stack of cards that we call the DACs. So they're converting the signal from digital to analog. They're playing their part, but now it's all done in the digital domain, so we don't have DACs any longer. So we can now make it a 2U chassis. We could even make it a 1U chassis. The Nova is a 1U chassis, as an example. The Altitude CI is 2U because we've still got the PC in there for horsepower, as I mentioned to you. So again, it allows us to change the form factor of products as well, because we don't have to rely so heavily on the amount of boards inside the product so that will sit in, that will complement the altitude, so the 60 to 32 will still exist.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah, and that will then slot it around that exactly.
David Meyerowitz:It's the same ability just with a different topology. Yeah, so there's there's no reason why this would supersede. It doesn't offer better quality or higher performance than any of the other products. It's just another product in the stable of products that we have for different use cases basically as well.
Stuart Burgess:so will you see uniformity between, so, as an installer, if you jump between calibrating and altitude and then calibrating this similar platform?
David Meyerowitz:still use the optimizer, exactly, yeah, so we've. We've announced already our upcoming software update which is going to completely rewrite the operating system and the user experience as well. So, um, the user experience, the new one, the new ui, is actually coming to the altitude 16 and 32 first, and then, when the new product comes along, sort of november time, um, actually available, um, obviously it will be released with the, the new ui on as well. So, yeah, if, if you're calibrating a uh, an over an altitude, an Ovation, which is our commercial cinema product, it's all fundamentally the same. It's just the software is tailored for that use case again, but it's all the same technology in the background.
Stuart Burgess:Okay, cool. So first sightings of this is going to be CD at Denver, is it yeah?
David Meyerowitz:it's going to be CD US. I want to go now. Damn you, david. Well, if it makes you feel any better, just a week after, um, so just after we do the the ride with together for cinema, we're obviously going to be down at farnborough for the ei live show and we will have it down there as well.
Stuart Burgess:So, uh, maybe we'll hook up down there and we can explore it a bit further in person well, I suppose that's actually probably you know, as we were saying before, the pod, you know the, the big room, uh, that you've done year on year, um, although it's very impressive, yeah, um, there obviously becomes a point where you need to freshen things up a little bit, because you know, if it's a room this year with, and I let's say, perlison, and next year it's a room with, say, a sendo, yeah, there is a little bit where people look at oh well, I saw it last year with a different speaker, yeah, so will they then go to it this year where obviously I think and obviously I know we've said before and I've said to you know, to peter before about will you bring it to ei live?
Stuart Burgess:And it's just like we can't. It's just for for a two-day show, it's just so expensive. Yes, it needs to be a uh, it used to be an international show where you're literally going to get queues after and after and that's not a detriment to the ei show that's just that there isn't enough installers to warrant it in a way.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, and, and this is the difficulty, you know we want to support all of these industry shows, wherever they are, locally or internationally, the best we can. But you know, ultimately we've, ultimately we've got to look at it from a return on investment perspective, and the international shows give us such an opportunity to address so many different partners from around the world and showcase a new technology. Now, when you bring a new product to market with the same technologies, just in a different form factor and format, do you need to do the same again? Can we just go through the products? You know there's there's lots of different things and you know, again, we we were obviously speaking before the podcast how do you do it bigger and better for those that have been the years before um? And again, it's no detriment to to um offer chino acoustica, but you know you get to a point with base where you need concrete walls and you know we can't move that room around the world any heavier than it is. It's already, you know, a full 40-foot container.
David Meyerowitz:You know, to move it around.
Stuart Burgess:Which you know, as you were saying about the build, I know Owen and Tom helped this year. I say it last year, it's still this year, isn't it? Asia helps this year, you know, and speaking to tom, uh and to owen, you know it was just the the complexity of the build and it gets put together in sections, so it's already been built in italy. Oh yeah, it's not like you know, you're taking a load of uh four by two and building a new cinema.
David Meyerowitz:There's no cutting, there's no. Uh, well, there's a bit of swearing, but there's not much swearing. Um, no cutting, no drilling. Uh, yeah, it all just goes together. Um, the way that it was it was designed. So, yeah, it's the only way we've been able to do it repeatably over the years. Um, yeah, it's been a great asset to us, and that room is going to be retired and it's going to make it into the new headquarters. I know marizizio wants to redo the interior finishing, which he'll do in due course, but that room is fundamentally going to be reused again. So I think, if I remember correctly and Peter might have to correct me, but I think that might be the 15th or 14th time that room will have been rebuilt. So, you know, from a sustainability perspective, um, that's something that's really important as well. You know, if we were just knocking these things down and and uh, starting them again every single year, it would be such a waste.
Stuart Burgess:So well environmentally and physically and financially you know, at the end of the day, you know, as a company we've got to be seen to be, you know, environmentally friendly and and obviously, and obviously, keep overheads, because exhibitions aren't cheap, they are certainly.
David Meyerowitz:They are certainly not.
Stuart Burgess:Who are you partnering with? Are you partnering with someone at Denver, a speaker manufacturer?
David Meyerowitz:We're on a number of different stands. I think we're on seven different active demos this year, just off the top of my head. I know we're working with Crix. I know we're working with, uh, with cricks um. I know we're working with kra um, oh god, it put me on the spot. I'm never going to remember them, but there's, there's a number of different partners that we're working with. I can't remember them all off the top of my head, but, uh, yeah, I know that I'm involved with the calibration of a number of different systems.
Stuart Burgess:You sort of like becoming the kaleidoscape of the audio world in respects of every, every demo you go to like. I see everybody's running the kaleidoscape uh server. Um, okay, so that's good. And looking ahead to next year, you have. You got plans for ic, yet for our you know, for anybody like me who potentially may not be or potentially be going to denver- yeah you know we've got uh february in barcel, barcelona, in 2026. We've got IC. Yeah, is there plans for IC similar, similar to Denver?
David Meyerowitz:yeah, we've absolutely got plans. Um, you know, we will have our own, um, static booth space, but we'll also be partnered, uh, with a, with a, with a room for that show as well. Um, so, yeah, it's um yeah to. Everything's still to be kind of finalized on that front. We haven't even, um, you know, started calibrating the room yet. Um, and I know that sounds crazy when the show is in february, but again, from what we've, what we've just been explaining, you know, the room needs to be taken apart, shipped to barcelona. So we have to get that finished in december for it to get there in time safely, with plenty of time for february. Well, I think it's.
Stuart Burgess:I think it was 2024, I think it was. There was that picture of like I think it was Peter sitting in the middle on the laptop, and then there was literally a plethora of people, including you and Tom Delicapagni, all sitting behind him, and it was like geeks on geeks whilst this room was being calibrated.
David Meyerowitz:It's exactly that.
David Meyerowitz:Everybody peering over his shoulders, not watching him do it, but watching him do it, yeah, we have a lot of fun with it and we all have so much experience in the partners that we work with. So, yeah, it's by no means a singular trinoff effort. When it comes to the calibration, we work with the speaker partner because, ultimately, the sonic signature of the room portrays their personality and their performance, so they've got to agree. Obviously we want to put our spin on it with our technologies and what have you, and of course, the same goes for the video and everything else as well. So, yeah, it's a massive team effort. We've been very lucky to work with some wonderful partners and, yeah, we'll continue to do it, just on a, on a smaller basis, and not um, not trinoff, as the as the main uh headline, I guess, in terms of the, the partner for that for those particular booths.
Stuart Burgess:So, going briefly back to the, the new facilities just outside paris, have we what's the opening date? Have we got an opening date?
David Meyerowitz:yeah, so we're going to start moving um, hopefully start moving staff around october, start of november. Um, of course it's a building project, so you never know what delays may or may not come in.
David Meyerowitz:I'm sure arno's scratching his head on a while I might be changing I I would be surprised if he's changing anything, but he'll be absolutely scratching his head on a few things. No doubt there's, you know, you know how these, how these things go with projects. Um, so, yes, starting to move people in sort of october, november time, um, in terms of our staff, and then, um, yeah, after that, we've got to start populating the, the various different demo rooms and facilities that we're going to have there before we uh, get you guys across for a uh, uh, yeah, for a, for an unveiling and for people who haven't listened to one of these before, what are you going to have there in respects of rooms?
David Meyerowitz:yeah, got you. So I mean, remember, first of all, we're fundamentally an r&d company, um, so the r&d facilities are going to be fantastic. So, um, first thing's going to be an anechoic chamber. Okay, so, eight by eight by eight meter, um, anechoic chamber. And there is, um, I can't really talk about it at the moment, but there's some talks of what that that might be able to achieve, um, and it should be um, something pretty groundbreaking. So I'll leave that for another podcast, um, but that is a research facility, um, you know, with a clip all measurement system in there. We'll be open to the industry as well. So, as much as we want to utilize these rooms for ourselves and our own progression, we're also looking to give back as well. So they'll then be variable and active acoustic labs, various demo spaces, including, you know, a fully fledged commercial theater which will be a sort of auditorium, come lecture theater, come theatrical dubbing stage, come live live music venue, very multi purpose, but a huge space.
David Meyerowitz:I was in there. I mean the RT is at about 15 seconds at the minute because it's just a big concrete box, but, of course, a long way to go there. Then we'll have training facilities, so there's sort of three. That's going to sound really elaborate now, three wings to the building or three sections to the building. Um, the first section is very much a training and showroom facility looking at modern technologies. You know micro led walls, obviously, projection and other solutions in there, um atmos recording studios and stereo recording studios, um to utilize, you know, cross market and you know then all the r&d, uh labs, electrical labs, you know all that sort of thing for prototyping. Um, yeah, the list, the list goes on and on and it's quite simple then yes, yeah, quite, quite an unambitious plan.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, um, but you know plenty going on um, and then there will be some, you know, good communal space, a lot of green space as well, um, the way arno's designed it, um, I think he said last time I was there you're never more than seven metres away from some green space, whether that's a small garden area or just nature on the outside of the building.
Stuart Burgess:How many people will work there?
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, so the company will grow over the next five, ten years. Now we've got a facility we can grow into because we're bursting at the seams at the minute. We're about 64, 65 at the minute, something like that, worldwide. That is, that's including our colleagues in the US and our colleague Joseph out in Taiwan. So, yeah, we're aiming to double in size over the coming years. I think it's important. I mean, I've got a friend of mine, James. We're aiming to, you know, double in size over the coming years.
Stuart Burgess:I think it's important. I mean, I've got a friend of mine, james, who works for Rare, which is owned by Microsoft, yeah, and Rare, the gaming company, their facilities are in big grounds, yeah, and he, as he said to me before, it's great, he said because, you know, you could just go for a run at lunch, sure, or you could just go and sit outside and actually met the guy that designed their new guns. He's a couple years old now, yeah, but it just that is a stunning place and I think it's just important that you know people that are working there could go outside to have a meeting absolutely yeah and fresh air and it really promotes collaboration.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, you know it's no. You know we're still a small company growing, so you grow out of facilities as time goes on. But the office we're in at the moment is very limited in terms of natural light. So you go and sit in there for a meeting and after an hour you're desperate to go outside because you're missing that natural light and what have you? A bit like be in here, but having that facility, you know, really opens that up and I think it will be, it'll be greater for us going forwards with collaboration.
David Meyerowitz:Obviously, from a training perspective, keeping all students fresh during the day, training's hard. Training's hard for hard to deliver and hard to receive as well. Training's hard for hard to deliver and hard to receive as well. You know it takes a huge amount of concentration and having an environment that's conducive to that and and beneficial in that way is is very important. So, again, I know Arno's been working very, very closely with, with, with the lighting, you know, making sure the lighting's right, the color of the LEDs. Again, he's learned so much about lighting as well. So it's all it's. It's an all-encompassing, uh, all-encompassing thing. Yeah, so we're not lighting brand.
David Meyerowitz:Coming soon then well, I would never. I would never say never, I have no idea but yeah he doesn't just do something, he does something, he does something. Absolutely yeah, that's, that's on his way.
Stuart Burgess:So yeah, so before we go on to the plaque in front of you and the other subject, we're here to talk about anything else you want to touch on with trinov, do you? Um, uh, how do people get in touch with you? Look at trinov website address.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, so um I I encourage anybody to to first of all actually go to our youtube channel. Um so search trinov Audio on YouTube. My colleague Benoit has done the most fantastic job of user case studies and interviews throughout the residential, the pro audio market and the commercial cinema market. Have a watch of some of those videos and just listen to the commonality of what people say about what the product does for them in their working environments. These are the people that are creating the content, and arguably, in a professional environment, it's more important to have a cohesive system that works correctly while you're creating content. So have a look at that. And then, obviously, some user case studies from the residential markets. We've got loads of trailers on there as well. There's a lot of really great content on there. And then, if you want to dig into our technology specifically, jump onto our website, look at our technologies page and you can read to your heart's content uh, about what more? About what? What trinoff does?
Stuart Burgess:there are some great white papers on there that are long, but very yeah again yeah again, it's a scientific subject.
David Meyerowitz:You know, we can simplify it to a degree and then if you go from just seeing reading and then you move in towards understanding that takes, suddenly the scope of that document gets a lot bigger. So, yeah, our audio over IP documents can be 90 plus pages, as an example. So, yeah, we'll have a short version, don't get me wrong. But yeah, if you want to go completely in depth, then yeah, we offer that knowledge outwards as well.
Stuart Burgess:And obviously you touched on the clips, the movie shorts, which are produced by some phenomenal directors and videographers. Obviously, if you're lucky enough to have a Kaleidoscape, if you're not lucky enough to have a Kidoscape, um, if you're not lucky to have a kaleidoscape, then give me a shout.
Stuart Burgess:But if you're lucky enough to have a kaleidoscape, obviously all the movie trailers are on there yeah and I know from myself that you know, um, I don't have a trinov, I just have a little system at home at the moment still playing around with the showroom. Yeah, um, but actually, even on a non-trinoff-based 5.2.2 system, they still sound really good. Yeah, absolutely, and they still just play with the acoustics of the speakers so well and show off your system.
David Meyerowitz:They're all very interesting clips and, as you said, they're available on the ColliderScape store. They're free of charge, so you can download those and play them to your heart's content. We also have the files available on the website as well. So if you have a, a media player or a blu-ray player that's capable of playing back mkvs or mk4, mp4s those sort of file formats you can play them back on nearly anything as well. So we've tried to make them as accessible as possible, and you know the whole premise behind them is to convey a message, convey a story, um, through the, through the, the artistic design, but also um utilize the object-based audio, the dolby atmos audio or the dtsx or the oro they're available in all formats to really showcase the system's capabilities by telling that creative story. And uh yeah, ben was done a wonderful job and I know he's got more coming, so awesome that's brilliant, right?
Stuart Burgess:so let's get on to the second part yeah, and let's talk about together for cinema yeah so we're both, along with another 48 riders, included the podcast co-host, simon gregory we're doing the uh london to brighton bike ride. Uh, I can't remember the date in september. Um, I've got the 16th in my head. Let me have a look, I've got.
Stuart Burgess:I've literally got my calendar in front of me just to remind me, uh, yes, so uh, 14th, 14th, okay, so yes, sunday the 14th cool at 9 30 am, I think, is our release time. We're doing 55 miles from London to Brighton for Together For Cinema. Together For Cinema is a charity that it fundamentally puts cinemas into children's hospitals, hospices. We were fortunate enough to go down to Chestnut Tree House in Arundel recently do a video for them and just to see the enjoyment that these rooms give to these individuals, to these children, is was phenomenal, yeah it's a it's a little slice of escapism, isn't it?
David Meyerowitz:and you know that's what really turned me on to getting involved with with the together for cinema, particularly on the bike ride. I love my cycling, I'm sure we'll get into that in a minute but as an industry, being able to provide these spaces that give a sense of normality in very chaotic, potentially, lives. You know young children, but also their families and the carers that are dealing, you know, with, you know very difficult circumstances. You know to come together and offer solutions that give that escapism, I think is a really important thing. Having had a family member who was sadly very dependent on hospice care, I know how important it is to families and to to the individuals, uh, you know involved. So, yeah, it's something I've been looking at for for a long time. Um, you know a number of years looking at getting involved with, but, uh, this year I've taken the jump and is this your first year doing it it is yeah, yeah.
David Meyerowitz:So I'm really glad to be part of the fundraising effort um, you know, to continue the the work that they're doing well, I think the work they're doing is brilliant.
Stuart Burgess:As I say, just like just, it was funny because the arundel projects that I I donated the hga media's time to record it, because you know why we do the podcast. You know, I think you know, pictures worth a thousand words, that a video is worth a million indeed, and just to sit down and record. You know, um ian talking to alice I think her name was one, one of the staff there and I remember my wife turned around to me and saying you know this is going to be quite a difficult day, don't you? You're going to see people there who are, you know, potentially end of life.
Stuart Burgess:But yeah, although there was that element, it was a really fun place, as it should be. You walk in there and you see some children who that's where they go for the day. They have disabilities of all different ilks, but to see just the excitement in their face with this room and one of the kids uses it to watch this film, one of the kids they have to kick out of there quite often because he's playing FIFA in there all the time actually, I I walked away from it, you know, just sort of going with that pride of the fact that, as an industry that you know, ian's and the team are doing these phenomenal rooms, with the sponsors and the people donating their time.
Stuart Burgess:So, you know, together for cinema is something that I know our industry is behind and I think all of us in this industry look always looking at new ways to do it. So, but you're doing this one as your first time. But you're not just doing the ride, are you?
David Meyerowitz:no you decided to go a little bit longer yeah, so I've, I'm, I am a keen cyclist, um, I use it very much. My physical and mental health, you know, I I'm very lucky to do what I do. I get to travel the world. But you, we all, in some way, shape or form, need to decompress. Um, cycling for me is that decompression. Taking that time for yourself, um, you know whether, whether I'm cycling with my club, um, which I love, you know just a whole another group of friends, um, like-minded individuals that, uh, that we go and ride with um, or if I'm cycling just on my own, you know just a bit of escapism, just, uh, you know that time on my own, um, I really, really enjoy it. So, yeah, I, you know not. You know there's some amazing people doing some some really um, you know incredible feats of of endurance. You know, I look at Ben Davies and I look at oh God, chris.
David Meyerowitz:Pinder, apologies. Who's you know done all those marathons?
Stuart Burgess:over the years, didn't Tom Delly do? Didn't they do Red Bull Silverstone to the Red Bull Ring? Yeah, that's it A few years ago. Yeah, right over to Austria.
David Meyerowitz:So yeah, and you know I I wanted to get involved with something, um, you know, a cause that I believe in, but also you know something that allowed me to um, you know, get involved with other individuals in in the industry. So I remember years ago I tried to do the ride to amsterdam. I think it was av magazine at the time. We're doing a ride to amsterdam for the, for the isc show. So riding to the Rye, I mean, it never managed to get sort of put together, so I've always had that little itch in the background to do something.
David Meyerowitz:So, yeah, I've decided that I'm going to cycle from my home in Suffolk, so I'm going to leave at 3 o'clock in the morning and I'm going to get down to London, hopefully around 8 o'clock in the morning. So a little bit of time to spare before we set off um, so we can do our photos together as the group. Um, I'll then obviously um ride with the group and and, uh, you know, hopefully um spend some time with, with, with all the individuals, um on the course, um having a chat, finding out a bit more about everybody, because I don't know everybody in the group. So that'll be fab as well.
Stuart Burgess:But hopefully once you've done suffolk to london, some of us will be able to keep up with you. Legs will hopefully be a little bit I'm sure they will be by then.
David Meyerowitz:So, yeah, and then we'll get through the ride. Um, yeah, looking forward to that bit, um, and then the following day, so I'm going to stay over in brighton. Um, I did consider being a bit crazy and just turning around and going back, but actually when I thought about it, obviously the physical challenge would be crazy. That would be 280 miles in one day, which I've done 230 in a day, overnight riding. That was really, really challenging. So, yeah, I potentially could push myself a bit further. But actually, again, talking about the cause and the group, actually spending that social time um after the event and um reliving all our horror stories of Ditchling Beacon and other parts of the course, um, that has a lot of value to it as well. So, yeah, I'll stay overnight in Brighton and then I'll turn around um first thing in the morning and head back to Suffolk.
Stuart Burgess:So, yeah, that will be 280 miles over the two days you're right, because, I think, because obviously this one isn't a closed circuit where the the British Heart Foundation one is yeah. So, as much as you can, you are having to stop at the traffic lights. You are having to, you know, stay with other people. So you do the. I know it's 50 this year, I think it was about 40 or so last year. You, you do fragment, yeah, of course, and if you suffer massive cramp by going up ditch limbs, that'll be me and some rando bloke is stretching your legs because you're laying on the floor nearly crying.
Stuart Burgess:They've done more training this year. But, yeah, when you get to Brighton and thank you to Steve and the guys at All Trade who are putting on the the post-race drinks on the seafront, thankfully, although it was really far after you got there, although it was literally about 800 yards, and then it's upstairs as well, which I didn't- appreciate.
David Meyerowitz:That will be painful yeah.
Stuart Burgess:I did ask them to put a hoisting machine for me, but again, to get to have that team photo there as well and just to have a drink and just to discuss how did you get on, where did you come, what did you do, and all of that lot. It is a great day and I do recommend anybody who's listening to this who has the opportunity just to do London to Brighton anyway. It is a brilliant event for whatever charity you're raising money for. But when you're doing it with a group of you know, this year, 50 other riders from the industry yeah, the buzz goes on for days, if not months.
David Meyerowitz:Well, that's it. And you know we're all there doing it for our own different reasons. You know we all have varying levels of fitness as well. You know, for some people it's going to be a huge physical challenge. So you know me as a more experienced rider, if I can help somebody, you know, I think back to last year where I really wish I had done it, but it was. It was literally the weekend I would have gotten back from CDUS, cedia, us. I remember the story of Stephen Carter from Cedia and he was, you know, given his absolute all. He was the last man in, and you know I resonate so much with, you know, people that complete the challenge, whatever that means to them, you know just, you know, for me it's not a race, it uh, absolutely be there, support people, if I can, um, and have a good time while we do it, and and obviously, um, raise, um, you know, much needed funds to continue the work of together for cinema. That, for me, is the, is the nutshell well thinking.
Stuart Burgess:If you've never done any of these type of things, it is that I mean, I can remember doing 2011. I did my first half marathon, the hastiest half marathon, and it blew my mind that people were standing on the street handing out haribo, handing out slices of oranges and, and, and actually, even though this, this event, isn't on closed roads, you do still find people at the top of a hill going, you know, especially ditchling, oh there'll be plenty of people cheering you on.
Stuart Burgess:Yeah cheering you on saying come on, you're nearly there you know and and I think that he's just everybody has that same mindset. For whatever charity they're doing, yeah, um, and obviously we've got, I have for you here. Yeah, I did, I did go out of my way yesterday. Let's not rip this open. Let's see if I can find the actual seal, um, but we, basically I did pop in to see the aforementioned in yesterday and we've got your shirt.
Stuart Burgess:Fantastic, um, extra skinny, probably knowing you, um, so, yeah, so we, we have your nice shirt with the, with the sponsors on it um, including the hga, thankfully. Yeah, um, and then on the back as well, more sponsors and bits and pieces like that, and then somewhere for your choccy bars and whatnot. You need a few of them, yeah, so there's your shirt. Thank you very much so we'll look forward to seeing you, uh, wearing that in pride yes, I will, I will be, I will be I'm going to stretch mine out a little bit, so you might find me in the local sainsbury's in hastings.
David Meyerowitz:Where am I? Well, I've got a week in the us before, so this might be a bit stretched by that time. Anyway, actually, I did see that on the whatsapp group the other day.
Stuart Burgess:People go. So how are people sort of like navigating denver and the ride? Yeah, um, and, and some of the conversations was about food and some of the conversations was about training yeah, and it was like, well, if you're not up to where you should be by the time, denver is, yeah yeah, there, there is, there is.
David Meyerowitz:I mean, it's never too late to get a little bit in. Um, I will do what I can to to get into maybe a little gym there, if there's one at the hotel I haven't actually checked that out yet um, just to do some last minute stuff. And yeah, I can claim that I've been at altitude training. So, uh, yeah, so that will um give me, yeah, that will give me something, like all the pro athletes yeah, exactly, I've been off to some altitude training.
Stuart Burgess:I'm off to altitude training training camp. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Yeah, awesome. So I will put the link, the charitable link. Um, yeah, because we, I think, is it 15 000?
David Meyerowitz:yeah, that's the group, that's the group target, I think from memory. I think we're we're about to coming up on two thirds of the way there something like that.
Stuart Burgess:So making it's been keeping us up to date, yeah so making really good progress.
David Meyerowitz:Um, you know, of course, yeah, anything anybody can do, um small or large, um it all, it all helps.
Stuart Burgess:So yeah, just a little plea from us there I know some of us, I know I'm going to try and take the 360 camera with me, yeah, um, just to keep my mind off of the pain of my legs. Yeah, um, I know simon is uh taking his gopro with him and so hopefully we'll try and put something together for uh people to watch afterwards maybe a journey, maybe a beginning and middle and end, just so people could see that we actually done it. Yeah, we'll put our, we'll put our uh strava links up and just show that we actually did cycle it so well. Look, thank you very much for your time. Oh, thank you, um, uh, we did say we'll probably do a follow-up um next year, maybe after ic or something like that. Yep, um, to talk about the ride and trinov again and what's happened at denver, and so make sure you like and subscribe um, but yeah, you know well, good luck in denver. If I don't see you, yeah and uh, and then, yeah, I'll see you on the start line in September.
David Meyerowitz:Yeah, only a few weeks time. So, yeah, it's come around very quickly. So, yeah, thanks for your time today, stuart.
Stuart Burgess:No worries, thank you very much, david. Safe journey to Denver. Cheers, cheers mate.