What is your future Style? | Creating a Wardrobe for the Woman you are becoming

Welcome to the The Quiet Reset.

In this episode, I sit down with style and confidence expert Emma to explore the idea of your future style identity and how the way you dress can support the woman you’re becoming.

We discuss why so many women feel disconnected from their wardrobes, how personal style evolves through different seasons of life, and practical ways to create a wardrobe that feels aligned, confident and authentic.

Whether you’re navigating a life transition, rebuilding your confidence, or simply ready to feel more like yourself again, this conversation will help you think differently about style and self-expression.

✨ About Emma
Emma Copping is an Image Consultant and Transformational Identity Coach who helps women rediscover their confidence through colour, style and mindset. Founder of A Stylish Mind, she combines over a decade of image consultancy experience with hypnotherapy and coaching to help clients transform from the inside out and become the person they want to be.
Website: www.astylishmind.co.uk
Instagram: @astylishmind 

✨ About The Quiet Reset
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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hi, I'm Carrie Hart and The Secret Funk Hub, a professional organizing company built on understanding, judgment, free support, and real health. I'm that extra pair of hands you've always wished you had. And this podcast is here to help your life feel lighter, calmer, and more manageable. One honest conversation at a time.

SPEAKER_04 0:30

Emma helps women build confidence through image colour analysis, styling and mindset. And we recently met through the Rising Tide Collective, the business working group I've been telling you all about. And Emma recently spoke at our business group event and shared a story that really resonated with me. I'm not going to tell you too much, but in short, it was a woman who had lost a lot of weight and couldn't bring herself to get rid of her clothes, her old clothes. And it got me thinking, why do we hold on to things? Why do we keep wardrobes full of clothes that no longer fit, cupboards full of things that we never use, and positions that belong to a version of ourselves that have already gone. So we're not just talking about clothes, we're talking about the psychology behind it, why letting go can feel difficult, and how our homes often tell the story of who we think we are, who we used to be, but more importantly, who we're becoming. So Emma, welcome to the quiet reset. Thank you. Good morning. Tell us good morning. So tell us a little bit about what you do and how you got into image consulting.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Yes, so I'm an image consultant. I've been doing this for over 15 years now. Um, my background was actually in nursing, um, but when I had my children moved out of London, it was very difficult to carry on that role. And I had had my colours done back when I was 18. My mum had taken me as my 18th birthday present. Best present ever. It has saved me so much money, so much time on shopping, and my wardrobe has been sort of much more clarity to it. Um, so now I'm an image consultant, really focused on the colour analysis and the style, but I've taken it to the next level with mindset as well, because we do struggle with where we're going, who we want to be. And so through hypnotherapy and NLP, I help people get rid of those old beliefs about themselves, those old beliefs we don't want to hold on to, to take them forward and actually start for them to see where they want to go. And so, through helping them know what colours work for them, what style works for them, and I just show them and help that wardrobe get created so they can actually make life so much easier for themselves because you know what it's like as women, we haven't got time, we haven't got time to stand in front of that wardrobe every morning and go, oh my god, what am I gonna wear today? We haven't got the time, so it's just make life simple for you. That's what I'm all about, and transforming you.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

Oh yes, yes, absolutely. I actually got my colours done when I was in my twenties, and um, I went to this lovely lady, and I remember her opening the door and me going, Oh, you know, like somebody shared like this beautiful blue on, but it was the right shade of blue for her, and I was thinking, you look amazing, and uh, if I'm honest, white is not one of my colours while I'm heads of time white today. Um, but uh I do know what my my colours are, but I was told as well, it depends on like the colour of your hair, because obviously my hair's changed since then as well, so I kind of yeah, anyway. So, what do women usually struggle with when they come to you? Is it more of a mindset or is it both like style colours?

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Like it is a bit of both. There is a a lot of lack of confidence, but also a lot of lack of actually really knowing what suits them. They're wearing colours that just don't work for them, it drains them. You know, the bags appear, the red patches appear, they just don't look as vibrant as they could do. So they're looking for help in first of all what colours to wear, but then the style, because that's where we get our wardrobes are a mess. Because we actually only wear 20% of our clothes 80% of the time. And you probably see this in your work, there's just there's not only clothes in the wardrobe, it's the chest of drawers, or it's taking part of your partner's wardrobe, and then it's the clothes under the vet and the clothes in the cupboard by the front door, and the clothes, the vinted pile of clothes that are ready to sell. And that's because there's so many different styles going on with those clothes that when you go to put it on, it's like, or maybe the you've got the colour right this time, but it's the style of it, and we each have our own style personality, and that's the bit that people are getting, and that's where they're struggling. They've got, especially women in our age group, the sort of like going towards the 40s, 50s, 60s. That's when they buy the wrong one things they because they like it. They buy something, it's like, oh, that's pretty, and that's got some flowers on it. But we can't wear those ones anymore. We could do when we were younger, but now we're more mature, it's like they don't work, and that's what people's wardrobes are full of stuff that doesn't work for them. They like it, but when they put it on, for some reason it just doesn't work, and it could be that it's got frilly sleeves or something, but you know subconsciously, it's not working. So I also do a lot of work on the subconscious mind to give you that confidence and give you that knowledge to go, okay, I now know what works for me. So that's yeah, that's the big problem.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

People don't know just what works for them.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

It's it's really interesting actually, because I've I very much I think my mum went through a stage where she was a bit in time warp and she kind of stopped in the 80s and didn't kind of carry on, like makeup 80s we're talking. And I remember thinking, we've got to stop doing that now. Like being a teenager thinking that is not good at the moment, and I don't do that, but you don't realize when that's coming, do you? Sometimes it's just all of a sudden you're like, I can't wear that. I wore a top yesterday, my friends, well, your top's nice. And I was like, short now.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, and that's it. And a lot of the work that I'm doing with women that have lost weight, and they've lost a lot of weight, and their mindset hasn't caught up with that. Physically, they've lost the weight, but actually, their mindset is still back when they were a lot larger, and then they're still wearing the same clothes because they haven't shifted their identity. It's learning about who they are now, who they are now in that body that they want to be in, and to recognize actually what I was wearing then I can't wear now. So it's actually educating them to go, this is who you are, this is your new identity, embrace that identity, this is what you can wear, but also looking at that future is actually guiding them through to go, where do you want to be in a year's time? Where do you want to be in five years' time? Start to visualize that, and this is what you're gonna wear to get to that point, but this is also your it's about your mindset, and actually having setting those goals to go, okay, yeah, that's my dream, that's what I want to do. And once you see that dream and that vision, we can start making those steps towards it. But a lot of us get stuck, we just get stuck here and now. And it's about freeing them to go, okay, let's take you to the next level, let's take you on, let's take you to where you want to be. And that's my absolute passion is to really those women that are stuck, and whether it's whether it's weight loss, maybe it is it's the school mums and the the children don't need them anymore because they're independent and they've suddenly realized, oh, who am I? I also get a lot of teachers that have retired. It's like this is they've been caring for the children, they've been wearing this because that's what they everyone else was wearing. And it's now it's like, but that's not me. Now they want to live this new life, and it's like, now what do I wear? Now who am I? And there's what's my next part of my journey gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

Yeah, you can very much hold on to that, and sometimes it's not always a good thing, and people think that it is because it's a safety in it. You know, I used to work in London and I only gave it up two years ago, and I got rid of everything corporate I owned because I was like, I've got my own business, it's not where I want to be, and I actually did. I think I've got one left in my wardrobe because I thought I could probably wear it to the rising tiger because I really liked it. But um, I don't I don't have those things. I was like, no, no, no, I can't I can't go back there, not unless I have to. But anyway, please share this story about this woman that you told us at Rising Tiger because I love it.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Okay, so it was one Sunday evening a few weeks back, and a uh photo popped up on my WhatsApp, and it was a photo of a front door with nine black bags full of clothes, and it was like, oh, okay. And then I'd suddenly remembered I'd had a conversation in the sauna the day before with this lady, and it was like, what makes us sort of vulnerable in the sauna? What makes us come up with these weird conversations that we don't do if we were if we were fully dressed outside having a coffee? It was like I don't know if it's the heat of the sauna or we contained in the sauna or because we're half naked in the sauna. It was like we got onto this conversation, and the lady she'd become a friend of mine now because I just keep bumping into her. And I'd said I was doing a talk for Slimming World, and I was talking about people coming off the weight loss jab and how that sense of identity hadn't caught up with them. And she's she opened up because obviously we're in the sauna. She said, Um, she said, Oh, I've been on the weight loss jab, and she said, I've lost five stones. And I went, Oh my god, wow, that's amazing! But you could see in her that actually it wasn't quite as exciting as I thought it was for her. I was going, Wow, that's just amazing. And she happened to mention to me that she'd got all her old clothes still up in the loft, all her size 22, 20, and 18. And I said to her, Oh, because at this point alarm bells are ringing for me, going, Oh, what she's doing, she's holding on to that identity. So if you can imagine above you, is still all those old clothes. That's your old identity. If you're holding on to them there, it sort of just means you're going to go back to them. So I did a bit of coaching with her, and actually, what she then did the next day was went up into a loft and she got those clothes out and she bagged them all up, and that's when she sent me the photo. And I I said, Congratulations, well done. Um and I happened to bump into her the next day on the Monday, and I said, And how do you feel? And she said, Well, it was hard, it was hard to let go of them because it's like that security blanket, it's that safe space. Those were the clothes that she felt comfortable in because it covered her up. But she said it was a sense of relief, and I could hear it in her voice. She was suddenly standing a lot taller, her voice was more confident, it was clear, it was strong, because she'd actually released what was holding her back, and so now her journey is about going forward, not holding on to that old identity that was behind her. So I haven't seen her for a while, so I'm really looking forward to seeing her next time and seeing how she's developing on her journey because suddenly she's so much more motivated. Um, so yeah, that was my story about my lady.

SPEAKER_04 12:44

I love it. I hear so much. What if? What if I just hang on to it? What if I need that one day? And chances are that you don't, and you're right by what you're saying, you're holding on to an old version of you. And yeah, I just why do you think people find it really hard to let it go? Is it just a safety net, do you think?

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Total safety net, yeah. It's having it's not a bit having that confidence to go, this is who I am now, and not recognizing it's very easy to be given the weight loss job, to be given the new diet and that, but that's just the physical side. People are not being educated to go actually, I need to change my mindset as well. But they're also not looking at the future, people are living just here and now, and you need to have those goals, you need to have those dreams to be able to move forward. So that's why people are getting stuck because they're not looking at where actually do they want to go, and it's that fear of going, oh well, I can't do that. And as you said, it's that what if well it's just and also we're being told, Oh, you come off the weight loss jab, you're gonna regain the weight. So that becomes another belief. And we've all got what we've all got those beliefs in us that we were told as a child that it might be, oh I've been big bones, or you're never gonna m amount to anything, or you've got to eat everything we play. All those beliefs get stuck in us, and they're given to us at such a young age that we believe them. And actually, until we can actually really unravel those, and that's what I do with the hypnotherapy, they stay with us so that people have lost the weight, or you've stopped doing the school runs, yeah, and you believe you've still got to stay that same person when you don't, and it's having that within you or getting that guidance and support to go, hold on a minute, now who can I be? Who do I want to be? Where is my future going?

SPEAKER_04 14:51

Yeah, I think it's very much much safety net because you don't want to let go of that person, but I think we need to change the narrative round on the what if. So, what if I need it? What if I flourish? What if I don't need it? Like, where could I be without it? So, do you do you recommend a capsule wardrobe or not necessarily just a wardrobe for where you are in your life or want to go?

SPEAKER_00 15:18

I I recommend the wardrobe for who you are now, not who you were. Don't hold on to those pieces that you don't need to hold to. Who you are now, and also some of those bits that where you want to go. And a lady at Slimming World asked me, she said, should I hold on to the pieces that are that size smaller? I said, Yes, because if that's where you want to go, that's your aim, that's your focus. So it's having everything in the wardrobe that actually brings you joy, that brings you excitement, that suits you, that works for you. And it may not be so small as a capsule one, it may be just slightly larger, but it's organized, it's simple. Everything you can mix and match because it's all the right undertone. So it's not about when I'm teaching you about your colours, it's not about oh, you can wear red or blue, it's the undertone to it, and when you've got the right undertone to it, everything works. So even your makeup that I advise you on links in with your clothes, so you don't need 10 lipsticks. I have two lipsticks, one for the day and one for the evening if I'm going out. Because it's the right undertone, it links with everything I wear, so then everything just makes life simpler because it all just links in. So it's not having clothes everywhere around the house, it's just having those ones that just work for you.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

Yeah, so I I have got OCD, there's no way around here, and I do organize my water, my wardrobe by colours and shades, and all my skirts together and all my shorts together. I'm assuming you do the same just because it's easier to get ready, could see what you've got, see what you need to buy.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Yeah, but we're all different style personalities. So the classic dresses, for example, they're very much totally organized in there. When they go shopping, they take a list of exactly what they want, or I need a red t-shirt to go with this pair of trousers for organised, but then you can have um what I call the dramatics, they weigh very bright, strong colours, and they will just buy things when they see it because they like it, and they're not really worried about whether it's comfortable, so they're gonna organise their wardrobe slightly differently, they're gonna have their big bold party dresses there. Um, maybe their sort of Sunday afternoon stuff might be in that section, and then you have you have the naturals, which it's all about comfort jeans, t-shirt, leggings, joggers. Well, they might be a little bit more casual about their wardrobe and where they put it because they're not worried about planning in advance what they're going to wear, they just want to just be able to grab it and go. So we're all different. There's other style personalities as well. So it's all different about how each of us would then actually create their our wardrobes. And so, yes, I'm more of a city sheep dresser, so it's like mine is organized in the sense it's yes, it's all in the colours, but it's also in the sort of categories of maybe of what I do, so it's a bit more of the formal stuff, and then the casual stuff is in a different drawer.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

So, yeah, it's all we're all different in the way that we do it. I was very much thinking as you were saying that, God, which one am I?

SPEAKER_04 18:53

I think I'm more of a classic dresser. I try to I I want to look back in my pictures in 10 years and go, you didn't look terrible, it's all right. That's kind of where I am, and I definitely do have a list I go out.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Yeah, so you probably are classic, but that's also come from your corporate background. So that's the that's the tricky one I was saying talking about the teachers, they're very classic. And then when they retire, they realize that actually I'm not classic. That's not who I actually am, it's I was put you were pushed into that because you had to dress in that classic way, and actually now it's who do you want to be? And I actually remember my um nursing director of nursing, and she was retiring, and she said to me one day, she went, and we're talking about 30 years ago, she said, I'm so pleased with retirement, I can now wear what I want. And I was really confused by that. I was thinking, Well, surely you've been wearing what you've wanted all your life. And until I studied this more work more, it was like I get what she was saying then because then she came back to uh sort of do a little retirement party. She had these long, flowy, like Indian style outfit on. It was amazing, and it's like, oh, this. So she was actually, she wasn't this classic dresser, which she had to be in the director of nursing role. She was more of this sort of flowy, dramatic, sort of much more natural and sort of patterns and beads and that sort of thing. And it's like, I get it now. That actually you you could be pushed into something, but now it's actually recognizing again who you wanted, and she looks stunning, and she but she also looked relaxed and comfortable that that's actually who she was. So I can see that you probably were c you've been in the corporate world, you are very classic, and you take your list, but that might still suit you, but I wouldn't be surprised if you have an element of city chic in you as well, and I think that's maybe the way you're gonna be sort of progressing, more elegant and sophisticated.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you've nailed that. So, um how many times in your lifetime then do you think that you probably reinvent yourself, like as a woman? So I'm assuming like when you go through puberty when you're trying to find yourself still, when you're like, oh, do I like this? Do I like this? You know, how many times do you think you actually I like to call it reinventing myself where I go, do you know what? I'll just cut all my hair off. I was like, right, that's it. I need I need a change, and I go through these these uh changes, but how many do you think that you have?

SPEAKER_00 21:47

We probably have around four or five, I reckon. So I think we come out of school, don't we? And then we go into either another studying section like college or university. So then we're sort of we we changing that, suddenly we broke. Up and then suddenly you're what you're wearing what the peers are wearing. So it's like my daughter's in that stage now, it's just they're all just wearing whatever's each other's sort of wearing. And then they go into their job, and then now then they're gonna be transitioning into something else. Now, if they go into the corporate world, suddenly they've gone from this sort of girly stage to now we're a bit more corporate. Now we've got to tone it down a bit, we've got to conform to what everybody else is wearing. Maybe then you become a mum. Then it's another whole ball game, isn't it? It's like listen to it. We've got time to think about that. It's just like comfort, we're on the floor, we're getting muddy, whatever. Then it's like that's then I think that hard transition is when the children are more independent and you're suddenly realizing who I am. That's a big transition, and I think that's probably one of the hardest ones. And then we get the whole perimenopause and menopause and the hormones kick in, and then we start to doubt ourselves. So I think that's the that's the big struggle, and then maybe another 10-15 years on from that, it's more of the retirement, and then like, oh, now a bit like everyone has left home. Where am I now? And some people at that point just reinvent themselves and lovely creative and often traveling and everything, so yeah, I'd say there's four or five times we we have those changes, and as you said, with the hair colour and the hairstyles, that's a big transition. And I do a lot of women that have obviously gone grey. Um, and I just think when you just embrace the grey, it's stunning, you get the colours right, absolutely stunning.

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Oh yeah, I I love it. There's um oh, this I should know this, and I don't. Someone from Vogue magazine has got beautiful long grey hair, and I think she started turning grey late 30s, and it is absolutely stunning. And I think some people I don't actually have, I've got a lot of red undertones in my hair, so I haven't got grey yet, but I haven't even seen a hair, but I do keep my hair quite coloured a lot, but nothing's coming through. But I feel like you need to get to that point where you need to just embrace it, go with it.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yes, I had that with a lady at the weekend, and it was like the grey was coming through underneath, and I'm going, but it's such a beautiful grey, and the back bit was sort of a bit bit yellowy, and it's like just take that off and embrace the grey, you get those right colours on, just just stunning, absolutely just it's stunning, and then you I think a lot of people go, Oh, you're gonna look older, not necessarily, you wear the right colours, suddenly it lifts you, makes you look more vibrant, and actually, it's just it's the way to go. But like you, I'm so dark and warm that at the moment I need to keep colouring it. But there will come a time when we go, okay, stop. We're gonna have to go, we'll go grey. But that may not be a long time for us, but other people, it's younger, and a lot of people use lockdown because they couldn't go and get their hair colours to go, okay. I'm gonna embrace it, and that's just been brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

So my children are seven, almost eight, and almost ten, and uh, I find a lot of the mums now that have got similar age kids are finding the same thing that they've gone. You do go through that grey patch with the kids where you're just like can't wear white jeans, can't wear that some sitting on the floor, like your practical shoes are trainers, and I lived in like high heels, and you definitely go through that bit. And I think some of my mum friends, possibly even me, and that's probably why I cut all my hair off, and now going, Oh, okay, we're out of the woods with that bit. Where are we now? So, what advice would you give to somebody that has kind of lost their style and is a bit lost? You know, if they came to you, would you say to them, give me some celebrities that you like the way they dress, or or would you focus on where they're going?

SPEAKER_00 26:16

I'd focus on where they're going, but I I look at them and you can tell what somebody is the way that they they can be dressing. It's just I I'm looking at their hair, I'm looking at their lifestyle, I'm looking at their skin tone, the eye colour. I always get them to bring some clothes with them so I can actually see what they have been wearing. And I ask them a lot of questions, and it's like, where do you like to shop? You know, how much do you tend to spend on things? Um, how much jewellery do you tend to wear? Because all of these give me those clues as to sort of what their style personality is, and then a lot of people they they've come and they're in the wrong category, and it's I show them this is where they need to be going into. So maybe it's actually they need to be going into that classic because that's who they they are, and I help them show them how to actually go into that, but then it's not about throwing everything away in your wardrobe and starting again. It's like each time you go to buy something, you're now gonna buy it in the right colour, you're now gonna buy it in the right style. So actually, it's that transition, and you start to then become more and more confident as into what you need to buy next. But then I do a lot of um uh I do some breath work as well in the hypnotherapy to go, this is where you want to go. Start to see that, start to embrace that, really helping them to go, oh okay, this is where I want to go, this is how I want to look. Yeah, and they can bring me photos of celebrities, but it's really about not copying somebody else, it's about embracing who you are and knowing because you can look at that picture of somebody else, and actually it's not you. And talking to my hairdresser last week, he said, Everyone's bringing in photos now, and they go, I want this hairstyle, and he said, But it's just not them, it's just and you you you can't just create that hairstyle on somebody and expect it to turn out like the picture because it's like the face shape is different, their hair texture's different. So I always just take people as they are and work with them to go, okay, where we want to transition into.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

It's so funny that you just said that story because you just took me back to when um do you remember Slide Indoors, the film when Gwyneth Paltrow cuts off all of her hair? I went into the hairdressers with that hair. That hair is not me. And actually, she said, I'm not gonna do it. And I am so thankful for that hairdresser going, don't do it, because I'm not Gwyneth Paltrow and I need to remember that. So to a degree, you can I agree that you can like someone's style, but you know, even growing up as a child, I used to buy clothes because I used to go, oh, that's Liberty's wearing it. I love that, but actually, I haven't got the same shape, I haven't got the same colouring, I haven't got the same. That's something that I've learned since I've got older, I think. But yeah, definitely something that is very useful.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Yeah, is a lot of them now are AI generated. You were looking at real life people with their hair, they're now bringing the youngsters. And I sat there and literally I saw three people coming in with their phones and going, Can I have this hairstyle? I was like, Oh wow, now I get what you're talking about. But he said, because they're AI generated, they're not really real. That's like you can't just put that onto somebody else, you've got to look at who they are. So, you know, the hairdresser is very similar to what I do, it's just looking at you as that person and going, right, okay, this is where we can go.

SPEAKER_04 29:59

Yeah, yeah. I love this a lot. So if somebody listening today has a wardrobe full of clothes that don't fit, don't suit them, belong to a previous chapter of their life, what would you do what would you say to them?

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Come and see me, I can definitely help you. And I'd do a nice, yeah, have it have a chat and then go, right, okay, this is where we need to be going. Let's have a look. Um, and it's a lovely process. We have we have such fun. I literally sometimes don't want my consultations to end because it's such a laugh. Um, a nice cup of coffee, and then just like it's just it's lovely.

SPEAKER_04 30:41

Ah, I'd I honestly have loved this conversation so much. I love all things fashion and colours and confidence, and you know, it's all about being happy in life to me, and yeah, it's all about uplifting people, and I definitely think that this is something a lot of people would benefit from. So I've got some quick fire questions. Are you ready? I've only got four. What is one item every woman should own?

SPEAKER_00 31:12

Um, I would say that that top that is in your absolutely wow power colour.

unknown 31:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

I don't know how to fake that feel. So you know you can go out looking vibrant today.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, good. Okay, biggest styling myth. Um that we have to overaccessorize that we have to wear all this. That's interesting. Okay, and what's one thing women should stop doing immediately putting themselves down, yeah. Brilliant one.

SPEAKER_04 32:09

I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I think a lot of people are very much like how everyone else feels, and I think sometimes you just need to hone in where you are, like just get through life, don't upset anyone, don't cause any arguments, just the rest of it is just you. You started on your own, you're gonna end on your own, so just focus. Um it's funny because being a professional organiser, I think we're not really just organising stuff, we're organizing like expectations and memories, and old versions of ourselves and future versions of ourselves, and the things that we have are a much bigger story than what we realise, and so I've I think that's always really interesting when you go to someone's house and you look around, you're like, oh, you get a different perspective of who that person is, don't you? Totally. So, yeah, anyway, Emma, I have loved this. Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm obviously gonna add all of your everything that you've got at the bottom of this so people know where to contact you. So, thank you very much. Have a lovely day, and I'll speak with you soon.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Lovely, thank you so much, Carrie. It's brilliant. Take care, bye.