Ep. 19 - Before You Say ‘Yes’ to a Business Partner…

Thirty years of knowing someone does not automatically make them the right business partner. Amy Stark Snook sits down with her business partner and longtime friend Noreen Payne to talk honestly about what it takes to build a partnership that actually holds — not just at the start, but over years of shared decisions, hard conversations, and the occasional crossed lane.

They get into the stuff people don't always talk about: how they split roles without letting ego get in the way, why a 50-50 split has to be non-negotiable from day one, and how two people with completely different strengths can move in the same direction when their values are aligned. The differences, they both agree, are a feature — not a problem to manage.

There's also a real conversation here about protecting the friendship inside the business, what it looks like to hold each other accountable without letting things build up, and why structure is what gives a partnership room to breathe rather than something that stiffens it.

If you're wondering whether you need a partner, already in one, or trying to figure out what went sideways, this one is worth a listen.

If you’ve ever wondered whether you should have a business partner—or how to find the right one—this episode is for you.

I’m joined by my business partner, Noreen Payne,  for a candid conversation about what it really takes to build and sustain a successful partnership. We’re sharing how our partnership came to be, what makes it work, and the pitfalls you need to be aware of before entering into one.

From the funny moments to the more challenging ones, we’re pulling back the curtain on real-life experiences—offering honest insight, practical advice, and the lessons we’ve learned along the way. Whether you’re considering a partnership or currently in one, this episode will give you the clarity and perspective you didn’t know you needed.

Contact Amy Stark Snook:
Email: Amy@HerWayToLead.com
Phone Number: 954-445-4545
Website: Herwaytolead.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome back to Beyond the Juggle. I am Amy Stark Snook. And Beyond the Juggle is where we talk about leadership life and everything in between. Today's episode is a special one, and I'll tell you in a minute why I have notes and why I'm looking at them. I'm not just talking about leadership today, I'm talking about partnership. And I have a very special guest with me. Because who you choose to build with in business, in leadership, in life can either elevate you or complicate everything. And today, I get to have a conversation with someone who's been part of my journey for 30 years. We worked in, oh my God, 30 years. We're gonna have to start lying. We sound really experienced. Yes and old. We work together in corporate America. We've grown up together through different seasons of life and kids and everything. And today we're partners in the Amy and Noreen team of Lang Realty. And it's been 12 years. So let me welcome my business partner and best friend, Noreen Paige.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Hi. Oh my gosh, this is so fun. I can't believe this is like we never get the opportunity to be together in the same room, much less something like this, where we could get to block out a full what 30 minutes or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Yep, we say we're like Michael and Janet Jackson. We're never in the same place at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Very funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Uh but I want to share with you why I have notes. So Noreen and I talk how many times a day? I mean, I just talked to you like two minutes ago. Yes, about 74 times a day. And if we don't have a script, we will end up talking about clothing, makeup, and everything in between and the incredible espresso martini I had last night, but that's a different conversation. So, ready? Ready. Okay. Before we get into the business side of partnership, let's go back for a second, right? Yeah. Because this didn't start as a business partnership. Do you remember? Because I don't, when we first met. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

It was back when we were at um MCI.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

And um I was brought in as an overlay salesperson to compliment what you were doing in your position. Right. Um, so yeah, I remember it very clearly. Do you remember the minute? I don't know if I remember the minute exactly, but I do remember um this cool young hip person in the office that, oh, gotta get to know her. Kind of to give you any time, so then you met me.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Is that how that one works? Exactly right. So, so modest. If someone told you back then, either one of us, that we'd be running a business together and and having as much success as we are blessed to have, would you have believed it?

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Not then, but but I say that only because we were at such different points in our life.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Young too.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

You were young and you were, you know, single and you know, living your best life. And I was 10 years married and expecting our first child, so we were just in different different phases of our life. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

So here we are 30 years later, and I'm still single, but that's a whole other conversation. But let's keep going. Um because I think a lot of people assume that partnerships just happen, right? And the truth is the right partnership is intentional. And I and I will tell you in my coaching side of the business under her way to lead versus the Amy and Naureen team with Lang Realty, people say to me all the time, should I get a business partner? And I understand certainly why a lot of people want a business partner, but I'm here to tell you if it's not the right partner, it's not going to move you forward. And one plus one has to equal at least three, if not seven. Otherwise, it's not worth it. Would you agree? Absolutely. So I think what's important and what I hope to accomplish in today's episode, besides you getting to know Noreen and I better, is really to help our audience with that decision. Do I need the a business partner? And if so, how do I how do I pick them to make sure it's successful? And that's not easy. So, Noreen, what do you think matters more? The similarities or the differences? Oh, a hundred percent the differences. Really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Why do you say look, I mean, using us as an example, right? We have similar values, right? Um, but we have differing difference uh in opinions and approaches. And approaches, right? Absolutely. So I I I do think in our case it happens to complement each other very well, uh, so we can move forward, but I uh differences all day long.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

You know, you said something really important, and I know it's one of my questions that I have for later, but let's just do it. I think there are two things there. The foundation I think is built on values, right? The success of the partnership, for us anyway, is the strength of our differences and the respect to share those differences with each other and to figure out uh how to move forward with the differences. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. So what do you think we bring that balances each other out besides those morning calls of well look?

SPEAKER_01 5:09

I mean, you you know, one of the things and one of the reasons why we work so well is because you bring the structure, like right? You bring the clarity, you bring the structure. Oh my gosh. If I have to see another Excel spreadsheet. Okay, keep going. But that's but that we we need that in our partnership. We absolutely need that because I'm so out here, and then you help bring it like, all right, but here's the facts and here's the you know, and let's do that.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

And on the other side of this, I'm here, you help me go here. So that's the balance. But right talk for a minute how we both start our days, because I think it matters, and I love that we both are of common.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Yeah. I mean, this goes back to similar values, right? I mean, you gotta set the tone for the day and leave yesterday behind, start the next day fresh. So we're both in the gym early in the morning. Right. Um, I mean, I'm I'm boxing and hitting that bag and trying to leave yesterday behind and set the tone. And obviously, you do what you do. And um, it just makes such a difference in the day and how we how we spend it.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

So, you guys, if you'll remember in an earlier podcast, we talk about you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of anyone else and take care with our clients, our employees. And Noreen and I constantly remind each other of okay, you need to go to the gym because you can hear it. You can't get a bag. You gotta go or you gotta meet me for a glass of wine at the end of the day or whatever it is we're drinking because it's been a day. But you know, part two of that is there are look, we're we're human. And there are days and we carry a lot and we we donate willingly a lot of our time even outside of the business for nonprofits, for volunteer, et cetera. So we're pulled in a lot of different directions. And there are times that it feels overwhelming and chaotic. So to have that partner who knows you so well, who has the common values, who respects, right? That can say, take a break. Right. Or take a deep breath. What is happening? What is happening? Why are you feeling so anxious? I mean, there's times I can call. Noreen called me the other day, and I must have answered in a way, I'll talk to you later.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

I answered up, yeah, what, what?

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Yep, yep, yep. And she went, not a good time. And then I felt horrible. I'm sorry. But it's just each other all the time, but that's right. That's part of life. I mean, it's like a work marriage, sorry, Lee, her husband, but it's a I'm I'm the work spouse, as we say. Right. Exactly right. Um so let's talk about the alignment and values. Um, no, you know what? Let me go back to one thing. Let's talk about red flags in a partnership. Right. And we have seen so many red flags. I want to start with uh part of our initial conversation when we were forming our business was how do we merge, how do we merge our business? We have relationships, we have family and friends on each side, family and friends. What if they bring a referral in real estate? And do you remember that conversation and what we agreed? Will you share it with our audience? Because I think it's one of the most important things. You want me to jump in on that face?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

I'm not sure we're gonna no absolutely of course. Look, look, I mean, what's what's been really cool is that we naturally enjoy doing certain aspects of our business, right? With you with the structure, you with the uh analytics and and look, knowledge of the business to start. Because you've been in the business a lot longer than I have from from um you know your title days and and and WCR and all the things that you were involved with on the real estate level. And um, you know, for me, it's always been, I was always always been involved in the community and volunteering and relationships. So it's a natural fit. And, you know, regardless of whether it's a buyer or seller, now obviously talking real estate, uh, it just it just makes sense for you to take the lead when it comes to you know bringing on a seller and launching a seller, and then me taking the lead when it comes to working with the buyer having spent time out um in the community. So it and I love that. But but and I also love how we can easily jump into each other's roles. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

So it works. You know, so the two two very important things she said, and I just want to make sure the audience hears it. Number one, you gotta stay in your lane. Yeah you can't trip over each other, and you can't, you can't have two people do the job of one. That's really important. And the other thing Noreen said, you have to be able to jump into the other shoes. So we know if there's a new buyer, we're making the intro. If Noreen hasn't already met them to Noreen and she's taking it running and explaining my role that I come back in at a later part in the process. If it's a listing and it's Noreen's referral or even mine, that I'm taking the lead, and then Noreen's coming in in during the process, and then we kind of bring it back together towards the end of that initial relationship. But the other aspect from our initial conversation was it's got to be 50-50. If you start cherry picking, well, this was mine, this was yours, it is doomed to fail from the start. I don't care where the lead comes from, the business comes from, whatever business you're in. We are a partnership and that means 50-50. Period. Period. Could be my mother's place, her mother's place, whatever it might be, period. There are no exceptions. No, we've not ever made an exception. We might choose as a team to not take commission as to a same degree on a family member, but we together make the decision and then we never look back as we're doing it together. Exactly right. So, what do you think people get wrong? And I think we kind of already answered this about structure in partnership. We talked about staying in the lane, defining roles. What about open communication? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

So important. I mean, look, we're not perfect, right? We have we sorry to bot that bubble. We are absolutely not perfect. We we've gotten it wrong in the past and we have crossed in each other's lanes. I mean, look, we're human and naturally it sometimes it happens, right? And and that's okay. Uh so important that we stop and talk about it versus letting it build up because Lord knows we've both been in those positions we've where we haven't said anything. And then, you know, things sometimes come off the rails, but but rare that that's ever happened in our case because each other, like to your point, we always know when one's in a mood. Right. And we talk about it. Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

And I will tell you that's really important because you spend so much time, whether it's physically on the phone, et cetera, with your business partner, that you better figure out the dynamics of the relationship. We're blessed that we have the friendship. Not all business partners have the same level of friendship, and that's okay. You don't need to. But what you do need to do is respect each other enough to have the conversations and be able to say, what the hell's wrong with you? Why are you acting like this?

unknown 12:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

And vice versa. And she has called me out. And sometimes we need to go do it over a drink after the one drink that we look at each other and we do this. What happened? What's going on? Hey. And this is really how it goes. But you need to have those dynamics and trust with each other, or you're going off the rails. You know, I'm sorry, what just popped into my mind with our original video session? Can I? Uh our blooper that we still can go back to from like how many years ago? So now, like the fact that we're sitting here doing this podcast, if 12 years ago you said we'd be doing it, Noreen would have like, I'm quitting. I'm not doing it. I am not doing it. And now, my God, up public speaking, sharing everything, running organizations, running events, videos just on the fly. But I'm gonna tell you about our original video. Can I do it? Can I say what we're doing? I'm just saying how much you've grown and how proud of you. Okay, I'll say this: go to the Amy and Noreen team YouTube channel and watch the blooper. You can actually share it.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

It's okay. I'll do it. It's hysterical. It was pretty funny. We couldn't stop laughing.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

I mean, we might have had to have some beverages before the video just to calm the nerves. It was our first video together. I'm just gonna tease it with go watch the blooper reel on the Amy and Noreen team. We gotta bring the blooper back. We'll do it. We'll post it on our Facebook page, but we laugh every time. My mother still cracks up every time she tells a story. Yeah. So chair. I want to say this. People get scared to have the structure. People get scared in business to remind the other one, hey, you crossed into my lane. And look, it's gonna happen. It happens. Right. Right? You you can't help it. You're you're you have momentum. It's hard to stop and say, oh, not my lane, handing it back. So there's times it happens and there's times it's warranted. Right. But people are afraid to have structure. And I will say this structure, do you tell me if you agree with this? Structure does not hurt the business. It protects it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

If anything, it gives us the opportunity to have a life outside of I mean, not that not that we have one these days. Not that we necessarily have a life, but but but it keeps us structured in that, you know what, we can time block and we can get to the gym and we can do a friend outing, and we can, you know, all these opportunities are so important for look, healthy balances, right? Absolutely. So the only way we can get there is if we stay structured. Um, I keep going back to like communication and having an off day. How fortunate that we both haven't been off at the same time. I know just thinking about that, going, can you imagine if we both have having an off day?

SPEAKER_00 14:46

No, I will tell you like three weeks ago, I thought it was gonna have a meltdown. And I called Noreen and she was like, Oh, you do have a lot. What can I take? What can I take? And it wasn't in a place that I could give, right? But just be able to say it and just be like, keep everything else away from me. Let me just get through this for us. Yeah, such a blessing. And then the week later, she had that kind of week. I was past mine and thank the Lord. Yeah. I wrote something down I do want to share with our audience about the structure. Clear roles, decision boundaries, communication expectations, and financial clarity. No different than a marriage. Finances can be one of the things that breaks a partnership and a marriage.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

And thank the Lord, that goes back to what your structure, your Excel spreadsheets and your analytics because I think QuickBooks. Oh my word, that keeps us in line.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

I wish you guys could see Noreen's face when I make her do a budget meeting in the beginning of the year. She hates it. I love it. Uh, and now we're doing quarterly check-ins on how we're tracking year to date on our budget. And she loves those so much. But it matters. Because you remember I'm big picture, like, let's do this sponsorship, let's do that. And then it's like, well, okay, the budget. Back to the budget. Uh-huh. But look, different strengths make for success, right? And Noreen at times makes me lift my head out of the QuickBooks and the Excel to say, Amy, look around. Thank you, Noreen. That's important. So let's talk about maintaining a healthy partnership. How do we handle disagreements? Because we have them. Oh, we do, yeah. Right. I don't know if we have disagreements, we have difference of opinions. Would you agree?

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Right. Correct. Right. It's it's not huge disagreements. It's it's differing of opinions in some cases. Right. And look, we take the time and we talk through it, and we always come to a compromise. Um and we joke about like, okay, I'm glad I won that one. But it's true. Overall, it's it's pick and choose your best healthy way to handle handle the disagreements. You gotta stop, talk about it, weigh the pros and cons, and make a decision together.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

You know, and I love that. And it's so true. And for so many people, and we've talked about this on other podcasts, you know, especially the older and wiser we get, you know, something comes in front of us and boom, we know the answer, I know what to do. And you feel very confident that you know the approach. Right. So then to have someone else who has a different approach, your initial emotional response is, yeah, no, you're wrong. I got this. But I would say the maturity in in in life, but from a partnership is, okay, let me listen. Because maybe there's something I'm not seeing. Right. Common values, but different approaches. There are times that she says something and I go, Didn't even think of it. I how the hell did I not even think of that? Didn't even see it. Right. Right? I'm a very black and white personality. You are not, thank the Lord. So there's times she's got to bring me into the gray that I went, oh my God, you're right, Noreen. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Well, I think the the the goal isn't necessarily to be right. It's it's focusing on the outcome and the solution and and what's best for all. And and we're we're we're good at that. You know, we're having those conversations. I feel like we've gotten very good at it.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

It was awkward in the beginning because you your friendship is kind of the heavier weight than the partnership, but as time goes by, they end up being I'm gonna say equal weight, but I don't agree with that. The friendship always is gonna have the top priority, right? Because it comes from the heart, but the business is both of our goals, so it merges. But what's something we've learned along the way, the hard way? I let me say one thing before I turn that over to you. We make mistakes, we make business decisions or strategies that were like, womp womp, but that didn't work. But you have to keep trying. You don't know what's gonna resonate, you don't know what's going to take from a business, from an employee, and we're blessed to have a wonder, oh my God, a wonderful team. We've got a great team. A culture, and we, you know, it's taken a long time to get to this place with the team and the culture. And that's one of the areas that we've learned the hard way. We had to go through a lot of different members of the team to find the right ones. But don't stop trying, because that's the only way you're going to advance. But we went through many times and we'll continue through the school of hard knocks, but it's so wonderful to have each other to get through it. I can't imagine doing this without a partner.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

I can't. Yeah, no, me either. I mean, I go back to even bringing on when we were looking to bring on Paige on our team. Yes. You know, we we we struggled with that because it was just the two of us, and it was like we were racing, we were off to the races, and it was a well-oiled machine, or so we thought. Right. So we thought, well, so we thought. Yep. And then, and then having her, like her personality and her disposition, that she was naturally able to jump on board and catch that, that, that train, you know, as people say, to keep keep keep us moving in the right direction. I mean, but that took us what, six years, five years, six years before we finally decided, oh gosh, we need help.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

And we interviewed a lot of people, but we just knew with Paige. We did get together and say, what are we looking for? What does it look like, right? What's our wish list? Yeah. And she hit, I think, all of the buttons. Yeah, we're very fortunate to have her. We're very fortunate to have her. I will also add, though, nope, went right out of my head. I will also add though. I will also add though, no idea what I was going to say. It will come back. It might never come back, but that's okay. How do we protect the friendship? I feel like it's coming back. Give me one second what I was gonna say. Oh, I remembered. I remembered. What I was going to say was oh no, no, yep. What I was gonna say was, what's wrong with me today? You have it's hard to let go of the things that you need to let go of to give to other members of the team so you can continue to grow the business. And we constant constantly, even to this day, 12 almost 12 years later, I will say, Are you sure you need to do that? Because I feel like we can give that to someone else of the team so you can get out to be with people. It's so easy to knock things off the list because it feels good to knock things off the list, but it doesn't mean so you hold each other accountable, and that's not something we've said thus far, but we hold each do you agree? We hold each other accountable.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Well, I mean it's it's it's like there's there's certain elements of what we do that it doesn't make sense for us to spend these three or four hours sitting in, you know, an inspection as an example, right? Um obviously we always want to be on on site for our inspections for for our clients. But we can tag team that, right? Right?

SPEAKER_00 21:21

And and um there's different ways to wait to do it, right? To protect our clients, protect our business and still move everything forward. But the accountability really matters. So how do you think we protect the friendship while having this business?

SPEAKER_01 21:36

So we we I think we do a good job of taking time for each other. Um and we talk about our beginning of the year award rewards on the years that we cannot it's already out there. It's already out there. So look, I mean, we we it it's hard for us both to be gone at the same time. And I and look, we don't have it perfect, but we're we try to make the Time. I mean, gosh, that that one weekend we did, God was it last year already when we went to Miami for the for like and it was like we did not go shopping.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

We did not uh okay, sure. But it's a but the point is look, we can't take vacations, long vacations with each other anymore like we did before business. But what we can do is reward ourselves as a partnership. And that was a trip to Miami where we laid by the pool and did not spend any money leaping. Yeah. Leaping.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

That would be drug. Sorry. Talk about keeping me accountable. Yeah, but but even is and and that's not like Miami is just up the road. But what was good about that trip is that it in a case we felt we were comfortable going the short distance because knowing that if something did come up that one of us, you know, or both of us could jump back on the road and get back. Right. I mean, I'd love for us to take a trip abroad at some point, you know. But oh, we went to the Jazz Fest in New Orleans. Remember they didn't know that. Was that two years ago? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

More than that. But yeah. That was for what, three days? I know, and we were so stressed. But it is because we have process and procedures, Excel, spreadsheets, no just kidding. Yeah. And a team that understands and shares the same values and goals that they could jump in and we have such confidence, but they also know they can reach us.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Well, and now that we've grown our team slightly, we've got some backups in place so that hopefully we will be able to do the these types of trips or getaways. I mean, even trying to do lunch together can sometimes be a challenge. I mean, heck, even trying to being here this morning, we were both like looking at each other's schedules, going, we got let's make the time and figure it out.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

You know, talk about accountability. And Maureen and I went to lunch last week, two weeks ago for my birthday, and it my phone kept going off and I kept looking. And I didn't even realize I was looking. That's a crazy thing. She got mad and she was right. So I turned the phone off and we had a great rest of the lunch. Yeah. You know, it's about the friendship and the partnership. But everyone, this is leadership on a very personal level. Right. Partnership isn't about finding someone who thinks like you, it's about finding someone you trust enough to think differently. And I love that. I had to write that down. I didn't write that line. I can't I copied it from somewhere, but I had to write it down because it's really true. I want to say it again. Partnership is not about finding someone who thinks like you, it's about finding someone you trust enough to think differently and respect enough. So, Noreen, what else do you want to share with our audience about having a partner, being in a partnership, selecting the partner? Because this is probably the most common question we get asked from other people in our business and real estate in particular.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

I mean, look, in our case, it helps that we had this prior experience together, right? In in a different um capacity, right? And then the friendship was there after we both went different directions. So I, you know, I think if if I was to say to someone who's considering having a partner, is that first of all, be very careful, take your take your time. Big decisions, um, you know, maybe some it's somebody already in front of your nose, right? Somebody you're already spending a lot of time with that maybe it you didn't didn't cross your mind. Um but I think it's important in our case that we had the professional experience and then the friendship, and then knowing that we were compliment complimentary, bring it back together.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

So and you know what, that brings up a really good point. And that was really well said and made me realize I watch so many people make what I call the easy decision. They go for, well, I'll just go into business with this person. I know this person, I'm friends. It's so much more than that. It's how you will everything we've talked about, how we were interact, but you know, no different than I think about people getting married, go to marriage counseling. You're starting a business partnership, go do a retreat and have that honest conversation to make sure your core values are for the most part the same, aligned, better said, and that your business goals, because what would not work if Noreen turned around tomorrow and said, I'm gonna retire in a year and I want to slow down. Different than travel more. Do you have something to tell me? Why'd you have cafes? But travel more and enjoy life more. That's different. We support each other. But if she said, I want to slow down and I am full gas on the throat and vice versa. That's all you say. Right, right. And vice versa. And vice versa. That's not fair to the other one. You have to have common goals. It doesn't mean they can't change. Right. It doesn't mean in four years I can't say to Noreen, I want to do it different. Then we regroup and figure out how we make it a win-win for everyone. But choose carefully, guys, because it is a decision that will impact your happiness and your pocketbook. Well, and the most important piece of this, no egos.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Leave the ego behind. It's true. And and be open to the conversation at and the tough conversations.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

Yeah, because it can be humbling. You get called out and you want to get called out. Yeah. Right? No egos. But yes. So he I wrote down a few last notes here. If you're thinking about going into business with someone or even evaluating a partnership, get clear on the values first. Define roles early. I remember speaking to someone before Noreen and I were partners, talking about a partnership, and that person said, I need to be the lead. And I thought, huh, in the first meeting, this is not going to work. Because it's not about someone being the lead, it's about that 50-50 partnership that we together move ourselves forward. Communicate more than you think you need to with open and honest conversations. Anything else you want to add to that before I wrap this up? Right, right. Overcommunicate key. If this resonated with you, we'd love to hear from you. Amy at her way to lead, or for that matter, team at amyandnoreen.com can also reach us. Love to hear from you on feedback. But if this is something you're evaluating, we would love to help you call us, talk through it. You know, absolutely. We're all about helping others in in life. Yeah. And we'd love to help you. So thank you, Nauen, for joining us today. I love this. This was fun. And thank you, audience, for being here once again. If you've enjoyed today's episode, I'd love for you to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who also needs to hear this message. And don't forget, I want to hear from you. Send me your thoughts, your questions, or any topics you'd like for us to dive into in future episodes. I can't wait for what is ahead. But until next time, keep leading, keep juggling, and most importantly, keep showing up.