You can't have a one size fits all. But what you do need is a framework that is creating the long term alignment that connects what's happening medically, what's happening in the diet, what's happening in activity, and that person themselves. Like that's truly putting I I don't like the word patient, I like the word participant, as truly taking people from being patients where they're subservient to their clinician, and they're active participants in their health journey.
SPEAKER_00No one pays you for being healthy, only for being sick. And today's guest thinks that's the biggest reason GLP1 access is broken, and he's built a model to flip it. Welcome to the GLP1 Hub Podcast. I'm Anna Reisdorf, registered dietitian and GLP1 user. And today I'm joined by Jeremy Shane, founder of Life for Health and author of a book by the same name. He's a former executive at WebMD and Medscape and has spent his career building businesses and healthcare and education. We're talking about why your health insurance has almost no incentive to actually keep you well long term. The different model he's pitching to large employers that could pay GLP1 users cash for hitting their health goals and how that money can grow tax deferred like a 401k and what it would take to redirect the dollars already in the system towards people doing the actual work. This is super interesting. And as always, if you're enjoying this podcast, please make sure to leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And if you're watching over on YouTube, make sure you share your thoughts down in the comments below. Now let's get on to the episode. Welcome to the JLP One Hub Podcast. I want to welcome Jeremy Shane today. He has a very interesting point of view on a question that a lot of us have is how do we manage our health long term and what does that look like? So, Jeremy, can you introduce yourself and tell the people what you do? You've got a very interesting career.
SPEAKER_01Sure. First of all, thanks, Anna. It's wonderful to be on your podcast. I love it and the perspectives it brings. I'm the founder of a company called Life for Health, which is also a book by the same name. And basically the idea is how do we extend health span and postpone uh chronic disease and the ravages of it. Uh my background is I've worked in a lot of uh disruptive companies in highly regulated industries in energy and education. Uh but my passion is really in healthcare, and I've run uh a leading online consumer health uh destination called Health Central, which focused on chronic disease and did a stint as well uh at WebMD and Medscape, which may be a more familiar brand name to some of your uh listeners and audience. Um and I uh a couple of years ago uh wrote and conceived uh Life for Health, put it out as a book, and now I'm turning it into a business.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Ross Powell So where does this like passion for health come from? So if you were in a you said you were in education and energy, was that what it was?
SPEAKER_01It is. So I've got a a lot of uh medical doctors in my family and uh background, but really it was sort of my own personal experiences and then joining Health Central. And actually, specifically around diabetes and glyp 1s, we had an expert patient who has now uh passed away. His name's David Mendoza, but he was a legend in the late 90s and early 2000s. He was actually in the very first Baeta clinical trial. And uh David at one point observed as we were thinking about different topics for our expert patients to talk about um, you know, it's very hard for diabetics to get life insurance. And that was something that stuck with me, just in the sense of if people are intervening and taking steps to improve their health outcomes, isn't that something that we would want to invest in and create long-term alignments where people can benefit from their health? And so that was something that was way back in the 2010 time frame, but it stuck with me and became sort of the seed or the genesis of what ultimately became life or health.
SPEAKER_00So what is the problem right now with life insurance and insurance? I'll tell you, like every time somebody talks to me about insurance, I don't want to I don't want to talk about it.
SPEAKER_01No one does. Uh so set aside life insurance for a moment, just as a as a mechanism. Um and just and you're, you know, uh so many of your guests have actually touched on this in their various interviews. The whole value of glyp ones long-term is not when you first take them and lose the weight, though that's incredibly important for anybody with obesity or other kinds of metabolic disease. But the value is the next 10, 15, 20 years. That's when the value accrues when you don't have that disease and you push the disease off into the future. But no one pays for the absence of disease. Only health health insurers only pay for the treatment of the disease. And so I thought a lot about that, and and sort of beneath the surface, what I came to is just this fundamental mismatch. Health care, really, the way the system is designed, not only here, but also in the UK and other places. But healthcare and health insurance was designed to solve short-term acute issues, either routine stuff or stuff that was an emergency, like you got to go to the AER right now. And it works for that. But chronic disease is a long-term situation, as are a lot of cancers and other kinds of age-related disease. And so it's crazy to try and force fit multi-decade kinds of issues where the value or the disease builds up over long periods of time and ultimately gets massively expensive. You can't force fit that into a system that's designed for short-term issues. And so let's take long-term issues out of a system designed for short-term issues and set it up with the right kind of long-term incentives. So just to make it totally tangible, people who take glup ones and achieve through diet, exercise, behavioral change, and medication long-term gains over time, where they're able to sustain that progress, they should get paid for that success. They should share in the value of that success. And so that's sort of the genesis of the idea. Great clinicians or nutritionists and other folks who help those people achieve long-term kinds of uh sustained gains. So that's kind of the notion of life for health, and we can talk about it. But whether or not you buy my particular solution, that fundamental issue of how do we create long-term incentives and alignment, you know, fundamentally so that people get to age 65 to Medicare without chronic disease and that can then live 15, 20 years in relatively good health, not having to suck down their retirement savings on lots of medications and so on. It's massively valuable for everybody in terms of their own retirement and for the system overall.
SPEAKER_00So one of the arguments that I've heard about uh health insurance is cutting coverage is that they don't have like a long-term ROI data on this medication, right? So they're like, why am I gonna pay a thousand bucks a month to cover this patient if I don't have the data to say this will prevent a heart attack that's gonna cost me 50 grand or whatever it costs, right? So like that's why they're like, well, just exercise and eat some vegetables, you know. We're not gonna cover this for you. So what like would this be able to kind of prove to them that it could give them the outcomes that they want? It could save because they they just care about the bottom line. Let's be honest.
SPEAKER_01Right. Um well, and I think so l let me uh attack first of all the health insurance perspective and then uh happy to take other questions at, but then also talk about the way we actually price drugs, which I think is duplate glyphorms, which is which is wrong. But so from the health insurance perspective, yes, that's their position, and that's why they don't like uh, you know, new therapies that may have uh long-term kind of effects, because they tend to be expensive at first, although obviously the prices come down for gliporums. But they're wrong, right? And the way that we know they're wrong is because of the massive expenditure, all of the growth that's happening in people in the latter half of their working years and on into Medicare and retirement. In the year 2000, 25% of people in Medicare, 65 and over, had four plus chronic disease conditions, a lot of which were cardiometabolic related. Today it's double that. It's 50 percent. And that only happens because it's starting earlier and progressing faster, right? Which is exactly what we know, right? But the health insurers benefit from postponing that treatment, not investing in those interventions early on, and then either have tried to make money on it later on or have actually now more recently gotten into trouble because the federal government stopped how much health insurance could pay. So again, it comes back to like this fundamental thing. There's a mismatch between a system built around short-term and a long-term kind of issue. Now, it's kind of interesting, and stop me if this gets too like in the weeds on health insurance, but the health insurers are starting to realize that if they don't intervene with somebody in their 40s and 45, 50 to help invest in that, they inherit those people later on because there's so much less competition in health insurance now. They inherit those people later on with more advanced disease. And so the health insurers, if they're smart, would start to build five, tenure kinds of health plans, potentially even separated from employers. But I'm not going to wait for them to arrive there. Let's do it now. We have the capabilities to do it now with different kinds of structures, kicking the sick care out of the existing system and creating very long-term clinical alignment and then through life insurance to pay people, you know, or help them share in the value for being more successful over time.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. So what does that look like in terms of like paying them? Am I gonna get a check for like 300 bucks a month if I weigh X or my blood pressure is Y? Or how what does that look like?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So I think the important thing also is, well, obviously people start obesity as the driver to go under glip ones or obesity and type 2 diabetes. There's a whole range of cardiometabolic markers that you want to improve over time. Sure. And so um I think also just a key part of this, and we know this is GLIP ONEs work across so many different systems, is being mindful of like all those metabolic markers. But basically the way Life for Health works is you take a you take holistic kind of care. The other thing I think that's important here is that we break down the wall between a medical clinic and wellness and diet and exercise and all those other kinds of things and put it together. Make it holistic, make it a one-stop shop, potentially, or certainly a one-stop shopping mart, where people can get medication, they can get behavioral counseling, they can get dietary help, get grocery rewards programs, they can have access to exercise programs. It's all in one and it shouldn't be, you know, uh siphoned off by just the clinical walls. So that is the life for health entity that people can join or sign up for that provides you everything that you need in reusing the dollars that currently go to health insurance, and we can talk about that. And then in addition to that, you get a universal life insurance policy. And a universal life insurance policy is different than like when you just buy 10 years of coverage, right? You you pay an amount, and if God forbid you die, or you have some other, you know, you get a payout. A universal life insurance policy, you can actually save money in that. And before 401ks and other things, that was a big way people saved. And so exactly what you said. Like you sit down with your clinician and you say, over the next year, here's where I need to get to, or where I'd like to get to, that's meaningful clinical change, and you have some metrics that measure that. And if you achieve that or on a scale, you get paid some cash. And that cash goes into your universal life insurance policy and what's called the cash balance or the savings portion. And that grows just like your 401k on a tax-deferred basis until retirement. It's and so basically you are not only earning that money in that moment, but you're basically creating a Nasdaq that accrues in value so that, you know, later on in life, all of us are gonna inevitably encounter health or other kinds of issues, but you're actually benefiting from sequentially over time. Um, and it's not just like first year, the critical part, as a lot of your guests have talked about and you talk about, is the maintenance over time, the consistency over time. And so you actually are rewarding people for consistency. And look, people are gonna have ups and downs, they're gonna have events that happen, you get in a car crash or got you know some other thing that sets you back. Great, you have a partner that's aligned with you to get you back on track and get to that outcome.
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SPEAKER_01So the the best, the fastest way to do it is really with self-insured employers, which are generally larger companies and they employ, you know, like 65% of America's workers. Um, a lot of people don't even know they're employed by self employed insurers. And basically, the company is on the hook for your health care dollars. They they contract with a health insurer to administer the plan and control the network, all the rest of it. What that means is that self-insured employers are actually super interested, particularly as people get in the latter half of their working years in making sure that you reverse disease and help maintain a better course. So I would go to self-insured employers and say, look, stop sending money, throwing money after sick care. Take the money that you and individuals like us contribute in our health insurance premiums, take a portion of that, take it out of that system, and put it into a life for health system. And I'll I'll commit to you, I will guarantee that you will get savings, 10, 20%, compared to what you would have spent on people over the next five or 10 years with cardiometabolic disease. So you get savings, you're guaranteed. We'll take that money, we'll put it in a life for health plan, and then individuals who join, potentially initially through their employer, but it, you know, can survive that employment, have access to this one-stop shop for everything. They don't need to worry about co-pays. They don't need to worry about, you know, is this doctor in network or not? You have your care team that transcends both medical and non-medical things, as well as options for things that you do. And the value, as we know, is in reduced savings over time if not only you can reverse disease, but maintain it over a longer time frame. And, you know, that's I think the additional thing finally is also as you're measuring people, people are setting goals each year and measuring their success and their progress. That data becomes this massive longitudinal database that can help prevent, predict other kinds of risk, cancer risk, neurodegenerative disease risk, or see what's working, like which clinicians are have the best sort of integrated medicine titration practices with dietary stuff. So it becomes basically a we basically just take the money out of a system that's wasting it on near-term sick care management and put it in a system that invests up front to reverse, prevent, maintain over a longer time frame. And it's that 15, 20 year value that's created that's massively valuable for individuals and can you know save a lot of money in the system.
SPEAKER_00What happens if you switch jobs?
SPEAKER_01So it's a great question. Um ultimately this does rely on more people, more companies or more entities uh providing or offering it. Um so but two things. One is that people tend to actually stay in their jobs much longer when they're 45 and plus, particularly if they're employed by public sector entities. So it's an average tenure of like seven years. In public sector, it's more like 14 years. Very long time to achieve ROI. But the great thing about this is a universal life insurance policy and the relationship with Life for Health can go beyond your current employer. You can keep this if you continue to go beyond that job. Now, long term, obviously, I want to get to a critical mass where you've got lots of employers offering these kinds of plans. And I think this is where the GLP1 store is transformational because you look at the massive growth of people that are willing to invest their own dollars, still too much in what the drugs cost, but invest your own dollars out of pocket to achieve this change in their health benefits. I think this is something that can can take off like wildfire, particularly as you start to show results over the over the first few years that people aren't yo-yoing on and off of drugs because of coverage changes or other kinds of things. They're going on, they have a long-term relationship with a clinical team that's all aligned around them and they're able to show sustained benefits.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, I I see that my health insurance, so I have United Healthcare, has started offering like a lot more diverse things outside of um just traditional care. So I go on their website and they have like a therapy person they're contracted with that I can talk to. It's like a coaching and like just different sorts of things. So it seems like peop they're thinking about this a little bit inside their own plans. Have you seen that too?
SPEAKER_01I I do, I agree with you. I mean, I think that health insurers are aware, whether because they don't want to pay for the glyphons or not, but they're aware that these other things have to happen. And so they're starting to offer them, but they're disjointed and they're all within the system of reimbursement and who's in network and who's out of network and all that, all the administrative overhead. And none of those people on the team are all aligned to say, hey, Anna's goal over the next year is to maintain her LDL, maintain her whatever it is, muscle mass and or weight or whatever those metrics are. Everybody is not tied to helping you achieve those goals. And I think that's why you need a holistic kind of structure. Look, if health insurers ultimately get to this model and they offer 10, 15-year plans that help people share it, great. Like I'm not against the health insurers, but I just think that's a very, very, very different model than the short-term sick care model that they're designed around.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell, I don't personally trust that they're trying to help me at all. So yeah. But I have seen, I I just will say that I have seen an uptick in that uh more lately. Yeah. You know, and offering a little bit more holistic care.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. There's a wonderful, there's a program actually that started in South Africa called Vitality. They're actually globally around the country. And actually a life insurer, John Hancock, has partnered with them in the U.S. And they offer sort of benefits based on your walking activity goals, other kinds of goals that you achieve. You earn these points that you can earn things. And I think that is uh something also, you know, sort of this gamification of near-term kinds of things that you want to achieve, or even doing that as a community or as a circle of friends where you challenge each other. I think that's a key kind of motivational factor, but you actually then have to connect it to the access to medications, the access to actual medical care, unifying that team. And I think the great thing about Life for Health is like life insurers don't want to be in the business of contracting with doctors or nutritionists or other kinds of things. And so what I've tried to do is create all of that is in a separate care entity. Life insurers don't have to get into contracting with doctors or other or nutritionists or other kinds of things. What they're providing is basically the investment capital to invest in the upfront kinds of investments. And they're creating a plan that creates longitudinal financial alignment for somebody to save and invest. And they're also going to be super invested in making sure you can predict and prevent um, you know, future kinds of disease. Actually, life insurers are kind of the only entity, if you think about it, that pay for the absence of disease, which is why, you know, when when uh the the damages of cigarette smoking for lung cancer and heart disease and other kinds of things became so manifest, they were huge beneficiaries from the decline in um, you know, uh smoking, which is still a significant issue, obviously. And so this is basically saying this time you can't rely on the healthcare system to do that because they're aligned around very short-term kinds of things. This time you actually have to step behind creating a new model that creates the long-term healthcare delivery along with the incentives to want to live a longer and healthier life.
SPEAKER_00Sure. So where where do you get the care? Like let's say your employer signs up for this. Like, is it a physical clinic? Is it online? Like, how does it where do you see the your providers?
SPEAKER_01I think it can be both. And I think there's lots of models for very effective, both uh digital as well as um hybrid or virtual kinds of structures. You have companies like uh Known Well that have started up in in Boston. You have digital-only kinds of uh clinical care as well. I do think there is a very important part to the long-term maintenance that has to be in person and is visceral. And so I think entities that provide in person, whether it's exercise, access to exercise programs, whether it's through existing gyms or partners or other kinds of things, I think that tangible in person touch is really important on a day to day basis, as well as in grocery shopping and that kind of stuff. But I think a lot of the care. The interaction, the coaching, that can all happen digitally and virtually. And it's so critical, obviously, to reach into rural communities or, you know, underserved communities where people work two jobs or have to travel long distances. So I think hybrid uh can work, um, but obviously some kind of connection with others who are in the same situation on a day-to-day basis really makes a difference.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I was thinking about this kind of economic piece of it because there's this fabulous wellness clinic that opened in my town. You can buy a membership and you can do all your things there. Whatever you want, they've got it, right? Like personal trainers and therapists and dietitians, but you know, you gotta have money to go to go there. Um, so like thinking of something like this for not for people who couldn't afford to go to something like that, obviously it's fabulous and wonderful, but like the membership starts at $300 a month and then you pay for the services on top of that. So it's it's not a joke. So how would you like get it into these less served communities? Are the health, are the life insurers in for that for paying for because that's really the biggest issue is GLP ones, you can get it if you have the money, but the people who really need it are struggling with that.
SPEAKER_01So I think uh my short my short answer is that people can afford that $300. It's just that the health insurers have taken the money now in the existing system, right? And so that's why you have to liberate the money that is being spent on sick care. Now, there's no getting around the fact that you have to invest up front to reverse disease for people who already have disease. And that's what's so amazing about glyp one drugs. You know, 10, 15 years ago, when I was first starting to think about this, really the only option was bariatric surgery. It's still incre um and you've had guests who talk about even that surgery prof profession got better at kind of some of the holistic care that goes around it. But that's not for everybody. Um, and it's still maybe an adjunct, you know, with glyp ones. So you've got to invest up front to reverse disease with intensive kinds of uh therapies um with the right titrations and everything else around that. Um but you liberate the money that's in the existing system and you start to have a decline and uh in in people's disease situation, you can maintain that over a long period of time. And so that clinic only costs $300 a month or whatever it is, because they have to rely on people who are wealthy enough, in addition to whatever they're paying for health insurance, to be able to afford that. The money's stuck in that system. Um, and so we have to liberate it in a way that once we start to see reverse disease reversal and really focus on what is the maintenance of a better trajectory over time, which can be much, much cheaper and can cover those kinds of monthly costs, you know, on a daily on a, you know, for people across all socioeconomic conditions, that can work. Um, I do say, you know, Medicaid, people who are in Medicaid where there's tremendous need, this absolutely needs to be a system that we could build into Medicaid as well. And then some additional challenges with people who cycle in and out of Medicaid, and those have been made worse in a lot of cases by eligibility changes in both directions. I do think we don't have to go into it now, but life for health can be adapted and should be adapted into Medicaid as well, because that's obviously where there's a lot of future liability for individuals in terms of future disease as well as, you know, future cost.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Do you have hope that we could reverse the uh poor health of our country? I absolutely do.
SPEAKER_01I absolutely do. You know, it's funny. Um in in my book, uh also called Life for Health, I look at like, you know, and this is a question people ask like, when did this start? A lot of people sort of concentrated around the 1970s, but in the early 1970s, you can actually see it where basically medicine and healthcare diverged. And medicine became about scientific discovery, which have been amazing discoveries and cancer and metabolic disease and all kinds of things. And healthcare delivery became about managing costs and creating gatekeepers and the administrative state that built up around it. And it's sort of like the science has been running to catch up with the, you know, what the the constraints that the administrative state has created. And it's just it was an Alice in Wonderland that has just like spiraled out of control around 2010. The other thing that happened during that time is we really changed our food system uh in terms of how we use grains and uh ultra-processed food and other kinds of things. And you can see like obesity rates just started taking off around 1976, two to three years after, you know, five years after food companies started changing the mixture of foods. And so it's like the confluence of all those kinds of things. So what we've used science and bad financial planning to get us into the situation. So let's use better science, better financial planning, and organization to get us out of it. And it's not an overnight thing, but lip ones are transformative in their ability to, you know, as you've talked about, like interrupt the food noise, disrupt the cycle that's there. It gives people space that they can reclaim their health, their wellness, their livability, and live much, much longer lives. And it's gonna have, you know, 10, 20% of cancer risk is related to metabolic dysfunction. A lot of dementia and neurodegenerative disease is related to metabolic dysfunction, inflammatory diseases. We're gonna see long-term immense value that we can't currently see or calculate if we have the right long-term system that allows people to consistently maintain better health.
SPEAKER_00We've already seen some report came out that said that obesity rates decline slightly for the first time ever. So, I mean, it's clearly making an impact. And even the food, just the food in general, I see being influenced by these medications. Like I went to the airport and they had a whole case of like protein things and vegetables, whereas before it was just chips, right? Like that's all you could find at the airport, candy.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yeah. Ultimately, the food industry and the food environment has to change as well. But uh, you know, they're so they're also so good at marketing and packaging. Like they'll figure out how to package and market stuff. I think these things are progress, but what really changes is when people on a massive scale, their dietary behavior, what they're buying at the store, what they're incented to buy at the store through groceries, that's going to force the food companies to change. Um, you know, because a lot of the ultra-processed food and the extra sugar and the other kinds of things that create addictive or feed addictive behaviors, um, they're externalities. They're like environmental external externalities, like air pollution or water pollution. And so we need to change the demand for those things, which is what this new kind of health system could do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely. So if you're interested in this, like what would you do if you let's say you work for one of these big companies? Like, how can you learn more about it?
SPEAKER_01Uh well, first, please you can go to uh lifeforhealth.com, which has some background around the book and the and the idea, and and uh really it's talk to your chief human resource officers or the people that are head of benefits, and put them in touch with me. And I will talk to them about how we can set up these programs, create guaranteed savings for them and the company, uh, liberate the amount of money that you already pay, you're not gonna pay more, and divert it into a structure that's gonna actually help you uh and all of the other people you work with regain your health.
SPEAKER_00Sure. So then do you plug them into like an existing clinic? Like let's say here in Nashville, we wanted to do it, then what you would have like a contact here of like would have the providers and the dietitians and all the things.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Yeah, the Life for Health Entity would arrange for high-quality clinical kinds of care. And again, there can it could be both there's some great folks locally. There's also some great national players that are starting to develop. The key thing that we'd also create is to make sure that everybody, all of those participating clinicians, one, we're assessing their outcomes over time, and second, they agree to uh abide by the overall structure in terms of being able to provide all of those other kinds of things. And you can also imagine sort of the exercise and the other aspects of it, almost like a class pass or a gym pass where you can pick, you know, whatever some people like Pilates, some people like boot camp, some people like Orange Theory. Like that's fine. Whatever you want to pick and you have advantage or access to those kinds of things. Thing is, how do your how do you stay motivated and how do your actual outcomes change over time?
SPEAKER_00Right, right. And it'd be cool to like have somebody to check in with regularly, you know, so they can say, Oh, you went to the gym ten times this month or whatever.
SPEAKER_01What you want to do changes. You know, it changes every three to three to six months potentially, because people need that variety. They meet new friends, they want to do something together, they decide they want to do, you know, cash to 10K or whatever. Like it's you can't have a one size fits all. But what you do need is a framework that is creating the long-term alignment that connects what's happening medically, what's happening in the diet, what's happening in activity, and that person themselves, like that's truly putting, I I don't like the word patient, I like the word participant as truly taking people from being patients where they're subservient to their clinician, and they're active participants in their health journey.
SPEAKER_00Well, the more I do this, the more I realize how much personalized care and each each person as individual really needs their own journey and their own path and support along that, along the way. And, you know, like today I went to see my doctor and she was like, Oh, you're doing this other alternative thing. And, you know, she can't think outside the box because she's in the system. So to have other people in my sphere is really helpful to manage my health.
SPEAKER_01I I love that example because the the system just kind of enforces those sort of boxes and people live in the real world. They live in a continuum of what their situations are and also with their family. Uh people who are struggling with metabolic disease or others in their family or their kids that they want to avoid that. And so I think we have to start from the individual and their family and build systems around them as opposed to, you know, particularly the providers. And I think you've also seen there are lots of clinicians. I mean, you've had tons of people on your podcast and and others that are thinking outside the walls or realizing you can't, even if you're an obesity medicine specialist, it can't only be about what's the right drug, what's the right titration, what are the other things. You have to have entree and visibility and connection with others on the team that are providing that reinforcement over a longer term.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. It's not just about the drugs. It's like it's gotta be all all the things. So where can you remind people about your website and the name of your book and where they can connect with you, Jeremy?
SPEAKER_01Uh the book is Life for Health, L-I-F-E-F-O-R-H-E-L-A-L-T-H. That's also the website. Uh I say that sometimes because I sometimes say it too quickly and people is like, is it life or health? And I was like, no, it's life for health. So that's yeah, that's why I uh was so explicit about that. Uh they can come to the website, they can contact me there um and uh order the book on Amazon or or Bookshop and uh would love to connect with anybody and uh see how it can help your company develop these programs.
SPEAKER_00Cool. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being here. And I think that this is such a valuable thing for the future of our country and our health. And you know, maybe we can uh take some of those dollars away from life those health insurance and put something more effective.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, Anna. I mean, I think it's w when everything we've tried is not working, let's try something else. Let's think outside the box.
SPEAKER_00That's great. Awesome. Thank you so much once again.
SPEAKER_01I appreciate it. Take care. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00I know that insurance is not always people's favorite subject, but it's really important to try to understand kind of the dynamic of everything that's going on because it does impact our access. And this was a really interesting perspective for maybe how maybe a solution that could help people become more motivated to get healthier, but also encourage the insurance companies to pay for this medication. Um, so I'm grateful that Jeremy was able to come on to share that with us. And if you're looking for more support along your GLP1 journey, I have a store where I've created several digital products for you, including meal plans, recipe collections, and a guide called the Beyond the Shot Guide that gives you all of the basics that you need to know about GLP1 and nutrition and how to manage side effects. Everything is in there that you need to know. So you can find that at shop.glp onehub.com or in the show notes below. Thank you so much for listening, and I'll see you in the next episode.