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CWC EP37| Andy Cagnetta Sits w/ Chaz 'Mosh' Warrington, ex-WWE Star
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How does a world-famous wrestler from the WWE Attitude Era transition into a high-level leadership role in the office technology industry?
In this episode of Coffee with Cagnetta, Andy Cagnetta (CEO of Transworld Business Advisors) sits down with his long-time friend Chaz Warrington. Most know him as "Mosh" from the legendary tag team The Headbangers, but today Chaz is a General Manager at DEX Imaging and a successful author.
We dive into the unbelievable story of how Chaz went from his first day of wrestling school to performing on national television in just three weeks. We also explore the mental grit required to move from the global spotlight to the "real world" of business, and the core message behind his new book, "Beneath the skirt".
Order your copy of Chaz's Book:
https://chazmosh.com/product/beneath-the-skirt-a-memoir-by-chaz-warrington/
Hey, welcome back everybody to another great episode with Coffee with Cagnetta. And I am honored and really excited to have our very special guest, Chez Warrington, uh, from Dex Imaging. But Chez is so much more well known as a WWF wrestler, Mosh, uh, and tag team champion. But, you know, it's it's so funny, Chez. Welcome, number one. Thank you. Happy to be here. Happy to be here. And number two is you know, I knew I liked you from the day one, and I didn't know why, and it's because you're a fellow New Jersey guy. Because it seems like we keep getting New Jersey uh people through here. So uh Well, it's genuine people then you're having through. I you know, I I I think there's something to that, and I think there's something that the way we grow up, and you certainly grew up uh on the other side of the state uh in Camden, correct? Right, yeah, yes, like yeah, Camden, Cherry Hill, Blackwood area.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right, right. Right outside Philly. Right.
SPEAKER_00So uh yeah, so are you are you do your do your sports teams align with that kind of thing?
SPEAKER_01So Eagles kind of like Eagles Eagles would be my NFC team. Right. Um, I'm actually a Bengals fan first. There you go. Um, but I'm a Phillies fan. Um if the Sixers and Flyers are doing well, I'm watching them. Um but I'm hardcore Phillies, um Bengals first for football, and then Eagles would be second.
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, let's talk about the early childhood and uh let's talk about how you get into a career of uh world wrestling uh federation. And you know, I I did read your backstory. You have a brand new book that I just want I want to promote at the beginning and at the end. It's called Behind the Curtain. You have your manuscript here. I do, but I figure we can uh Yeah, just show everybody uh you can just put it right here. Yeah, exactly. There you go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it's in a three-ring binder. So it'll stay right there.
SPEAKER_00Beneath the skirt. Beneath the skirt, it is out on Amazon. I bought my copy yesterday. I'm looking forward to reading it. So, you know, let's talk about that journey. How do you grow up in outside of Philly in the you know Cherry Hills slash Camden area and all of a sudden wind up in the WWF?
SPEAKER_01Um what sports were you playing as a kid? So I I I wrestled um from third grade through high school and a little bit of college. Uh I played baseball, I played soccer, I ran cross-country. I pretty much uh did every everything and anything I could not to be in the house and not to be home.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Um, my house growing up just I grew up in a good neighborhood and good family, just was uncomfortable to be in the house. Um, so my brother and I did everything we could to be outside the house. So that was always sports and delivering newspapers, mowing lawns, whatever we had to do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, I was very fortunate to happen to have a wrestling school, the Monster Factory, that was about 15 minutes from my house in New Jersey. Um, being a fan, I used to go over to the spectrum in Philly all the time to to watch. And um, I used to joke around with my friend saying, Hey, one day you'll see me in that ring. One day you'll see me in the ring. And I just said it just to say because it sounded funny. Um, and then I went down to there was uh it was called the Route 30 Martin, Clementon, New Jersey. Um, very shady looking, driving by. And uh every once in a while there'd be a big giant truck out front, spray painted on its side. It said pro wrestling Saturday night at 8 p.m. So one Saturday night I had nothing going on, and I walked in and really didn't know what to expect. And uh what I saw was I said I didn't know what to expect, but what I saw I didn't expect either because all I had ever seen was WWE or WCW, the big stuff with the lights and the music. So this was um, I didn't realize the time, but a school. So it was like an indie show. And back then I didn't even know what an indie show was, I'd never seen an indie show. And um, I went in and I watched it, and I was judging the hell out of them. Like it was just they they weren't very good. And like I'm like, why are they not good? Like, I don't understand this. And then I found out after the show that it was a school, and they ran shows once a month for the students, and the they held like I don't know, 200 to 300 people in there, and um, I started talking to at the end of the show, their heavyweight champion at the time was the spider. He had a mask on. And after the show, I kind of lingered because I just wanted to kind of see what what was going on there, and I saw him take his mask off, and I was like, oh, he looks familiar. And I went over and started talking to him, and then he looked familiar because our high schools wrestled one another, so we knew of each other in high school, and it turns out that he was the trainer at the at the time at the monster factory, and um that's Glenn, and he's my my partner, so we've been together since June of '93. So it'll be what 33 years come. Uh yeah, this this summer. So it'll be um, yeah. So he trained me and I went down and he said, you know, you should come down for a tryout. And at this point, I was still kind of wrestling in college, doing like AAU stuff, junior college stuff. I was like 170 pounds, and I was like, I was like, nah, I'm a little small. And he's like, No, the best time to learn is as you put weight on. He said, if you come back three months from now and you're 20, 30 pounds heavier, he said, you know, your body's not going to be able to move as well. He goes, but if you put weight, if you learned how to do everything as you put weight on, it's a lot easier. So um that's what I did. I signed up a week later. Three weeks later, I was on WWF TV getting beat up. And um from there, my career just three weeks later? Three weeks later. Wow. Three weeks later, I was in the ring with uh Adam Baum and Papu Shango. Wow. Yes, it was on WWF TV. It was crazy. Wow. And so how long did you wrestle? Or I mean you're still, but um yeah, so now it's part-time. Right, right, right. The last 10, 12 years have been more just part-time. It's a fun part-time hobby. Right. Um, but yeah, no, it was basically full-time from April of '94 till my contract with WWF back then, WWE, um expired in January of 02. I was full-time. I mean, there was 250 to 280 days on the road. One year, I think I counted it was 321 days.
SPEAKER_00321 days. I was on the road.
SPEAKER_01How do you how do you physically keep up with that? I mean, it's it's gotta be brutal. It's brutal. You're it's funny. If I go a month or two without getting in the ring and and taking a bump, right, um, I take that first bump and I go, oh, my whole body goes, oh, and then I get up and I take another one, and my body goes, Oh, that's right. That's what we're supposed to feel like. And it just it gets the more you bump, the easier it is. Your body just gets used to being physically abused. Right. Um, you know, mentally, you just you just deal with it. You know, like I know every day I wake up, I'm gonna be sore, but it is what it is. I have a routine now with stretching and yoga and planking and doing all this stuff to to hold everything together.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, yeah, your body just gets used to it. I used to go, we were off every Wednesday, um, and I had a standing appointment at my chiropractor at like 9 a.m. I'd get there at 9 a.m., he'd have a massage therapist or I'd get a massage for an hour, I'd fall asleep during a massage, he would leave me there, just let me sleep. I would wake up, he would adjust me, and as I walked out, I felt off. Like something didn't feel right. And I'd start moving all around and oh, okay, like, okay, now I feel better. So I asked him one time, I'm like, when I leave here, like I don't feel right. But after I like start moving around and walking, I go, he goes, your body, you're so used to your body being out of alignment and being a mess that when you're in alignment, it feels weird. He goes, but when you start cracking and moving your head and your shoulders around, you knock yourself totally out of alignment. I go, oh, I'm like, okay, like that makes sense.
SPEAKER_00So you you've you wrestled for I I mean a long time and obviously traveled the world. I mean you were all over the place. Yes, all over the place.
SPEAKER_01But the the sad part about it is I was been all over the world, but I saw nothing. Right. Because we would like I went to I was in Kuwait. We wrestled in Kuwait, we were in the the same building five nights in a row. We went from the airport to the hotel to the military base to the arena and back to the hotel. Like, saw nothing. I'd go to England, um, we'd have five or six days on the road in the States, we'd fly over to England, we'd do one show and then fly back. Right. So that you got in the town, you got out. And we were on the road so much that it was you just wanted to get home just to have that that downtime. Um but I went to Australia in 2017 and I made a point of flying over two days early and then stayed two days after just so I could see just to hang around stuff. Yeah, been all over, but it's been I'm I'm not complaining.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I mean the business of wrestling seems uh are you on your own? You're a you're part part of the WWF, or I I know you've done some independent stuff too. I mean, is that like putting stuff together yourselves or you know, promoting it? You know, what what aspects of the business have you been in?
SPEAKER_01Um, I guess all of it. Because when I first started, like I said, you're you're considered, no matter what, where you are in the business, you're considered an independent contractor. Okay. Even when I was full-time with WWF back in the day, you're an independent contractor. Okay. They don't, there's no insurance. Like if I got hurt in the ring, obviously they would take care of it. They'd send me to a doctor, or you know, they would take care of it that way. But there's no, even to this day, there's no medical, there's no, if you're in the ring, you're considered an independent contractor. Right. Um, but at the same time, I had a contract with WWF that if I wanted to go do something else, I couldn't. I was like under contract with them. There's nothing else I could do. Even like the few months left when my contract was expiring in 2001. If I would have gone and got a job as Walmart as a door greeter, it would literally have been a breach of my contract. Um, but I've done all of it. So when I first started, we went to Memphis. We were independent and we didn't have a contract with them. We had a handshake verbal agreement with Jerry Lawler back in the day. And then from there, we same thing. We jumped from back then they had to territories. So we went from Memphis, we were there for like six months, and then we were in another territory um called Ozark Mountain Wrestling, and we were there, that was in Arkansas. Um we were there for about a year and a half, and then Jim Cornette called us to go to Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which was out of Knoxville. We were there for about six months, and then unfortunately, Smoky Mountain shut down, and then we just did we there's uh kind of a little territory in Baltimore in that area at the time. Um so we did some things around there, and from there it was just when we where we could get a booking, we'd get a booking. Right. And then um then WWF called and we got there. We started there with a part-time contract and then worked our way up into a full-time deal, and um, yeah, and then from there that was it.
SPEAKER_00So all that stuff, like it even if you wanted to get into entertainment like some of the other wrestlers have done, you're still part of them. Like it's like Cena just retired the other day, right? I mean, is he still part of them? Everything he does is part of them, or um, or once you get that big, you start cutting your own deals.
SPEAKER_01He'll he I'm I'm sure him, The Rock, because of their what they do with movies, I'm sure they have an agent. Um, I don't have an agent, I just do it all myself. Um I have someone now I'm working with with social media stuff, and he's helping with like some bookings because July 23rd of 26 in Wildwood, New Jersey at the convention center, Glenn and I are having our final in-ring match. Like wow. I'm retiring from in the ring. I'm not retiring never fully you can't retire from the business. Right. Um, but from in-ring action, it's just it's just time. Um, but for the most part, with bookings and things like that, they send me a message through Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, um, or on my website. They can go through the website now and they can send me a message through there, and that's basically how we get the bookings. It's basically on our own. And they they say, Hey, we'd like to have you for the show. How much do you want? We tell them, and if they say yes and there's nothing else going on, we go. If not, then I say, if I have something else scheduled, I'm like, sorry, can't go. And right, yeah.
SPEAKER_00All right. So that is so obviously this is something you can't do into your 80s, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, ask, I don't know. I don't know if Ricky Morton at a rock and roll express is still going in 70 something, but so something I don't want to do into my 80s because my whole thing has always been as long as I'm having fun, right? People pay me what I want, I'll continue to go. Right. Um, but I'm getting to the point where I'm slowing down. I can feel myself slowing down in the ring, and I don't want to ever, ever have someone see a thing on social media go, oh, I saw the headbangers last week at a show, and they look awful. Right. I don't, so I want to stop before it gets to that point. So that's where we're at.
SPEAKER_00So so you've you've decided, or you you you haven't. It's so funny because I didn't meet you like that, and and my generation, I'm probably one generation before you. Like I'm, you know, Piper and Hogan and and even you know, Chief Jay Strongbow, and and you know, like those, those kind of guys, uh, the one generation before you. So I met you as a representative of DAX on the junior achievement board, right? So how tell me about your business career. Tell me what you're thinking of doing in business and you know, if in philanthropy as well.
SPEAKER_01Um, so when I moved to Florida, my contract expired. Um, I moved to Florida in January of 02. Um, moved down here and I said, Oh, I'm gonna get real estate license. I'm gonna be a real estate agent. Right. And I did, I got my license, and then a week into that, I was like, this just isn't me. Yeah, okay. Um, I'm actually, and you'll probably laugh and chuggle at this, I'm very introverted. Really? Um, yes. If I don't, people are like, but you talk to everybody. I go, no, I talked to everybody I know. Um if I walk into like if I walked into like a meeting or a nonprofit event or something, right? Um, let's say I walked in on Cork and I knew no one, I'd be at a table by myself just standing there. I'd be kind of surveying the room, trying to figure out, okay, where is there someone I know? Can I fit in? And um so for real estate, when I first started back then, it was oh my god, like I don't I don't know anybody. Like I go to these things and I just I wasn't comfortable just talking. First of all, I didn't know what I was doing. Um so I got out of that right away. My father-in-law, future father-in-law at the time had a copier company, and he had said to me, Hey, you should come work. For me, you'd be great at cold calling. And I was like, sure, and at this point I had no idea what cold calling was. I had I had no idea. Um, but I went because I was like, oh, I need a paycheck. Meanwhile, I still thought there was an opportunity of me either going back to WWF or maybe going to Japan. Right. There was options there. Then I realized quickly, I was like, oh, I can sell copiers, be home all the time, and still make decent money. So that's what I did. Right. And then wrestling turned into a part-time hobby on the weekends doing indie shows here and there, conventions and stuff like that. Um, and then that company had was going bankrupt, and I ended up at Dex. And Dexter, their whole thing is a third of the profits goes back into the community. And I like the idea of that, so I went and Dex recruited me over. The Doyles recruited me over, and I went and started working for them. And my regional director at the time, Ron Hale, he said to me, He said, You need to get involved with the community. And he kept telling me, he kept preaching it to me. So it was the same thing. I would go to these events, but I kind of just stand there by myself going, eh. Right. Just wasn't comfortable, it just wasn't me. And then um, what changed it actually was getting on the board with JA.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, that made it a lot easier because people were asking me what I did then instead of me having to, I guess, pitch myself.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Um, I'm not, it's actually very uncomfortable for me to to pitch myself and and what I do. Um, even the wrestling side of it. So for years I hid the wrestling side from I hid wrestling from the professional side, the business side. Yeah. Because my fear was let's say you and I schedule an appointment, you look me up, and I you see you go on my LinkedIn and you see all this crazy stuff here, you're gonna be like, I think that's so much better. Right. But my my thought was yeah, like if if like Andrew Koenig or somebody, and I'm like, if he goes on there and sees this, and he's gonna be like, Who's this goof I'm meeting with? Like, right. Um, I never thought of it as a door opener, it's an icebreaker. Yeah, it's who I am. Once I embraced this side, it changed everything for me. It made it a lot easier because it was uh I'm like, that's who I am. Like, why would I not use it? Why would I not talk about it? And that side of it changed business for me forever. It just made it easier as an icebreaker.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So and junior achievement, great cause as well. You picked a good one, I love it. Right, and there's some great people involved. And I think we maybe initially met through Steve Neudelberg, so you know, another uh another introvert, uh say, right? He's the complete opposite. So, so you know we we do talk about, you know, uh G Jay is inspiring young kids. How has your wrestling career and now your business career and your transition into it helped mentor others?
SPEAKER_01Um, I just think it's it's part of my story. Yeah. I think I think my biggest story is it's funny because in I've started since I finished this book, I've actually started a second book on post-WWE career. And what I found in writing, so writing this was very therapeutic. It was so like there were so many things like I had inside of me that I didn't even realize were bottled up until I got it on paper, and I was like, oh wow, I feel so much better to get that out, to get that story out. But what I realized was is going through wrestling, I was very insecure the entire time I was with WWF. I was very insecure, I was insecure in a locker room. Out in front of people, I was fine because I knew who I was, but the social awkwardness I had. Um so I think my story helps when I talk to the kids is about being yourself. So again, when I was there growing up, growing up, the the only attention I really got was negative attention. Yeah, so um I acted out a lot and just stupid stuff I did, like nothing harmful, but it was just stupid. Like I took my teacher's gloves one one time, I think I was in sixth or seventh grade, and I took Scotch tape and I taped the gloves off and left them on a desk. Why? I I don't know, just stupid. Like that's what I'm saying. Like it was stupid stuff, right? But it got me attention. So I was like, oh, I'm getting attention, let me do this stupid stuff. Um, so I think for me it was the insecure side, I figured out how to get over that. And then I hid from who I was. Like when I started the business side, sure. I hid from who I was, but then once I realized who I am and just being yourself, then I think that's the part that I can get across to kids and things like that. If kids that are insecure, listen, you you are who you are, just you be yourself and you're not hurting anybody. And that was the whole thing with the headbangers, that's kind of what that turned into. Um, a lot of people were you know insecure of themselves, they didn't know who they were, they hid from you know being different. Right. Um, and then I can't tell you how many uh conventions and people I meet at different shows now that say that to me. Hey, when you came out and you guys said, like people would ask us, why do you wear earrings? Why do you wear skirts? Why do you have tattoos? And we go, because we can. Because that's what I like doing, that's what I want to wear. It's not hurting you. What do you care? Not hurting you, right? Be your own person. So I think that probably is the thing that gets across um the most.
SPEAKER_00And how how important do you think it is to your business career or anything you do? Uh and I think one of the big reasons that people are successful is they they learned how to grind, they they learned how to face adversity, they learn how to be uncomfortable. I mean, it sounds like your whole wrestling career you were uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable. But you were you were grinding through it, right? Yes. I mean, how important is that to you too, as well as just having that physical kind of ability to work through pain sometimes?
SPEAKER_01Um, it was beyond important um and tough. And as crazy as it's gonna sound, there was a lot more mental grind to the wrestling side than even the physical side. Wow. Because the physical side was okay, um, you know, I'm gonna get beat up, I'm gonna get slammed around, my body's gonna be sore. But I know when I get home, I take a couple days off, I'm gonna be fine. The mental side is a lot worse to get over because it's always there. And then you're always like, oh, well, if this situation happens again, this is gonna happen. So, oh crap. Um, for instance, when I very first started, it was I started in June of ninety three, April of ninety four. So my partner, Glenn, he had been around for a couple of years. So he had a little bit of a name. Um, and then that's how we ended up in Memphis with USWA with Jerry Lawler. And our first night in, again, I had maybe 10 TV matches under my belt, which is basically just getting beat up on WF TV. I had three like singles matches, and then two or three tag matches with Glenn. That was it. That was less than a year in. We pack up the car and we're going to a territory where Jerry Lawler's there, Bill Dundee's there, all these established wrestlers that have been in the business for 15, 20 years are there. And here I come in nine months in, and the very first met, it's different styles, also. So in the Northeast, wrestling style was different than Memphis, and I didn't realize this. And the first night in, they gave us a manager. We go down to the ring. We're not wrestling with the headbangers, we're wrestling with spiders. So we have masks on. Thank goodness I had a mask on because at first all I did was laugh because I was like, I couldn't believe I was in a ring. But they're in the ring and they're getting the bad guys are beating, um, we're good guys, we're the baby faces. Right. The heels are beating me up, and they're beating me up. Beating me up, beating me up. And the manager starts yelling, you gotta fight. And I'm thinking he's just being my manager, but the style's different. In the Northeast, the style was the heel would tell the baby face, All right, it's time to fight back. Like, give me a couple shots, give me a couple shots, I'll cut you off. All right, shoot in. Like they would tell you, like, call some. In Memphis, you're on your own. I didn't know that. Wow. So they literally for 10 minutes beat me up. I didn't know. We got in the back, and everyone was giving me the the guys we wrestled weren't because I made them look great. Right. But everyone else was like, you got it, like, what are you doing? Like, you gotta fight. And I had no idea. So the mental side, the next night we get in the ring, all I did was fight. And they were like, no, you gotta sell. And I'm like, you just told me to fight. So like trying to figure it out. But the the the mental side of it now, every time I got in a ring, I was like, okay, so where's the balance? Am I fighting too much? Am I not fighting? So it was getting over that, the mental side, as well as the like I said, the physical side, I get a couple days off, I'm fine. Right. It's the mental side of, oh, this happened and this happened on the road. Like, what's gonna happen next? That's always in the back of your mind.
SPEAKER_00Right. So, how'd you wind up in South Florida again?
SPEAKER_01Um, so I was dating someone I met through a wrestling friend of mine. The funny part is is she lived she lived down here, um, but she was born in the the hospital in the town that I grew up in in New Jersey. Uh and then but her family moved down here uh mid 80s. Right. So we met and we met in Phoenix. Um, but yeah, so that's how I ended up coming down here.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01So you look you love it down here? Is this home now? Oh, this is home. I couldn't I look at pictures of snow and I'm like, I love snow. Me too.
SPEAKER_00I'm like, I don't know what we were doing up there.
SPEAKER_01My my favorite, my favorite meme is I love looking at snow on Facebook from Florida. There you go. Yeah, I don't like the cold anymore.
SPEAKER_00So you enjoy you you enjoy living in Florida. Uh what are some of your favorite things to do down here?
SPEAKER_01Um, I enjoy playing golf, if that's what you want to call what I do. Um, I hit a lot of balls. Um, takes a lot of balls to play golf the way I do, literally and figuratively. Right. Um, I play kickball. Um, I play softball. Um, I love camping. I love being outside. Right. Um, I love tent camping and primitive in the middle of nowhere. And I also have a camp that I've built um with a camper, with a side-by-side where I go riding, and I just love being anything outside. I love being outside. Yeah. I get outside and I just go, oh, the world's so much better.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, somehow I think I took a meeting with you and you were uh you you're remote. Yes. So you're good at that.
SPEAKER_01Yes. I have um out at my camp, I have a it's a full setup. I have a camper. Um, and then I went and bought Starlink, and I have the Starlink out there, which is amazing. I've done so many like Zoom calls out there with prospects and clients, or and I had a couple one time the guy says to me, He goes, virtual background's amazing. I'm like, no, that's real. And I moved and I have my camp flag. It's called Camp Quit Your Bitching. Um, the camp flag is waving, and he was like, You're really out in the middle of the woods. I'm like, I'm literally in the middle of the woods right now, right? Um, yeah, it's amazing. I love it. So it's a good time of year to be out there, too. Yes, it is. I was out there a couple, I was out there Thanksgiving weekend, and it was 70 during the day, 50s at night. It's that's perfect. And you have a son? I have a son. He is 21. Wow. He's in his last year at uh UCF. Okay. And um, yeah, he's a great kid. He's like one of my best buddies now. Is he is he gonna follow in your footsteps at all? He has zero desire to get in the ring. Um, entrepreneur-wise, yes, yes, wrestling-wise, zero. He's already um got like a couple little e-commerce companies going. Um he's into he actually has shown me how to do the stock exchange and stocks to buy. Like we go back and forth about stocks and things like that. Well, that's great. He's president of his fraternity right now. Um so he's uh yeah, he says to me, he goes, Dad, he goes, I don't like the way the fraternity is being run. He goes, So I'm gonna become president so I can fix it. And I'm like, boy, that sounds familiar.
SPEAKER_00There you go. Natural born leader. Yes, yeah. So it's amazing. That's great. So what's in the future? Yeah, I mean, you know, you have another book. You you you got this book. Are you are you going on tour? Do you tour for this book?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I did actually. Um, so the book just came out on Amazon. Right. Um, you can put in beneath the skirt or put my name in to find it, or you can go to chasmosh.com. Chasmosh.com. Um, if you order it through chasmosh.com, um, I I get it. I get it sent to me, then I'll autograph it and then send it off. I should have done that. I can I'll bring it to you. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think I'll see you again. I guess. Yes, yes, yes. Um, yeah, so the future is, you know, I'm still with with Dex. Um the great part about Dex is it sales. I get the flexibility um, you know, to do these little things here and there. Um it's amazing. But yeah, so actually I had someone, it's with he's a KS. Um they do virtual things on virtual appearances on Facebook. It's amazing. They fly, I've done it a bunch of times with them. They fly me up to New York, they have like a studio set up. You go in, it's live on Facebook, and they have like all merchandise out. And people come in and to the group for you there for like two hours, they come onto the channel, they're like, I want picture one or I want picture four, I want a set of action figures, and they pulled off. You sign it right in front of them, and then boom. So I'm doing a book thing with them with January. Nice, January 24th, and then I have conventions coming up, so I'll have the books there, and um yeah. So now it's just go and figure it out, work on book two and book two B. Um so I started writing that, but then I figured out so I did a thing with um did you self-publish, by the way? I so I worked with a publisher. Um, it's called the publishing company's act, the name is kind of funny. It's walking on hot waffles. Okay. Um, but they helped me go through. He said to me, He said, You have a following. He said you don't need to go with a big publisher. He said, You'll get more books out. He goes, and you'll make more money on it. Um, he goes, just doing it through Amazon. So he helped me put it all together. Right he helped me with the with the cover. Um, Kim Sarney and Mel. Yeah, they helped me. Mel actually designed the entire cover and put it together for me. Nice. Um, yeah, so they're helping me with it. And uh yeah, so it's I I guess I kind of self-publish, but I have a publisher backing me. Um, he's helped me with everything, so it's been great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it's it's an amazing career. You're still a young guy, so you got you got a lot of a lot to do uh, you know, going forward. And you know, any advice to you know the young kids that are listening that you you said it, you know, like be yourself.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think that's that's the biggest piece of advice I can give you is be yourself. You're not hurting anyone. Um do your thing, be happy, follow who you are, you know, be be true to yourself and just whatever makes your heart happy, as long as you're not hurting anyone, who cares? Go ahead and do it, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about this country, right? Yeah. So go out there and do what you and be successful. And you're successful in so many things. Chaz, thank you so much for coming in today. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. This is great. Happy to be here. Thanks. All right, another great episode of Coffee with Cagneta. See you next time.