The Magic of Joshua Tree, Joy of Slow Travel, and Farm Life with Juanita Metzger of Stroll Walking Tours

EPISODE SUMMARY:

This week on Travelling Through Life: A Podcast on the Go we meet Juanita Metzger, Owner of Stroll Walking Tours. We discuss the magic of community boards, the joy of slow travel, & starting a walking tour company during the pandemic (there seems to be a theme with these amazing tour companies!). Juanita also shares with us her favourite place on earth - Joshua Tree National Park. We cover sustainability in the travel industry, growing up on a farm, & how many walking tours you can fit into one New York City trip. 

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 Introduction to Juanita Metzger, Owner of Stroll Walking Tours
03:50 First Trips & Childhood Experiences: Farm Life & Belize
06:21 How to Choose Where to Travel: Quiet, Community Interaction, Travel by Foot
11:25 Travel Traditions
15:33 Language & Travel: Pennsylvania German,  French, Spanish + Favourite Phrases
21:20 The Impact of Technology on Travel: Pocket Dictionaries, Natural Wayfinding, & Analogue Experiences
29:02 Documenting Travel Memories: Sketchbooks, Travel Diaries, & Instagram Stories
31:31 Personal Impacts of Travel: Empathy, Global Awareness, & Privilege
33:25 Most Surprising Destinations: Joshua Tree (California), Phoenix (Arizona), & Portugal
38:43 External Impacts of Travel: Supporting Local Communities
41:21 How to Respect Other Cultures as a Foreigner
42:55 Unexplored Types of Travel: Cruises & Sleeper Car Train Travel
45:34 How Are You Different when Travelling than at Home?
47:29 Weirdest Sleeping Spot: Rice & Coffee Storage Building
48:42 Where is Home? Living vs. Travelling Abroad
49:43 Using Points & Miles for Travel
51:00 Necessary Travel Items
54:13 Travel Playlist: Juanita's Choice
56:09 Speed Round: Montréal, Home Popcorn, Art Gifts
01:00:18 Until Next Time & Where to Find @StrollWalkingTours

Transcript

Tara (Travel With TMc) (00:07)
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This week on Travelling Through Life: A Podcast on the Go, we meet Juanita Metzger, the Owner of Stroll Walking Tours. We discuss the magic of community boards, the joy of slow travel, and starting a walking tour company during the pandemic. I don't know about you, but I'm sensing a theme with the cool tour companies I've had on this season.

Juanita also shares with us her favourite place on earth, Joshua Tree National Park, and what it was like growing up on a farm. Okay, thanks for listening and let's dive in!

Tara (Travel with TMc) (01:40)
Thank you for coming, I'm so happy to have you here.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (01:42)
Hi Tara, I'm so excited to be one of your first guests.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (01:46)
Yes, yeah, for anybody who doesn't know Juanita yet, Juanita Metzger and I met during the pandemic through my mom. Juanita is the owner of Stroll Walking Tours and she, in the pandemic, had started giving her tours and had let my mom know that she was wanting to test out one of the first ones and we had the privilege of experiencing the Downtown Kitchener Street Art one. So that's how I know Juanita.

She's been an amazing ally as I like bumble through entrepreneurship, suggesting business resources and programs to get involved in and also helping to promote Travel with TMc through her business which has been really lovely community building and nice to have that support in the community. So I'm so happy to have you here and would you tell us a bit about yourself, what you do, where you're calling in from today and who you are.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (02:44)
Yeah, so, yes, I'm Juanita Metzger, and I'm the owner of Stroll Walking Tours, and this business is four years old, or almost four years old now, And yes, I started it in 2020 with all my original plans in place in 2019, and of course the pandemic.

turned everything upside down. But I almost didn't launch the business and I decided to anyway, once everything was starting to reopen. And so I thought I would open it up for one season because there was not much to do and all the indoor venues were still closed and it was something that people could do outdoors in small groups. And so it really was kind of the perfect thing.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (03:37)
Yes.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (03:37)
And

Stroll is a little bit of an extension of so many things that I've been doing over the past 20 years. And my background is in community development and social work. And so I've worked primarily with neighborhoods and always on that approach of engaging people in where they live, who they're connected to and engaging people in being more connected.

to their neighbours and people who, yeah, I guess people where they live. I live in Kitchener, Ontario, and I've lived here since 2000. So at this point, it's 24 years that I've lived in the same spot.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (04:27)
And we're lucky to have you here. I can say as somebody who's been on six or eight of your tours now, you really do a wonderful job of connecting people to their surroundings and the people around them. I have told you many times that walking in my own neighbourhood is such a joy now because I know the stories of the places that I pass by because of the Stroll tours. So yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (04:51)
Hmm,

yeah, yeah. I just love, you know, helping people to observe differently and notice different things and be curious about places when they're walking. And sometimes people will say, I've always been curious about this building. And so I went to the library and I looked it up. And, you know, so it sometimes inspires people to go and be curious about things that they've noticed or always wondered about.

That's always fabulous.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (05:20)
Mm-hmm.

So true. I'm wondering where the travel bug came from for you. Like, were you always a stroller? Were you always one who was into history? And did you travel as a child, whether it was locally or abroad? How did that all start?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (05:38)
Yeah, well, our fam, I grew up on a farm and so our family didn't travel at all because there's always work to do on a farm and it's a lot of work to be away. And so our family just did you know very small trips and it wasn't until I was 15 or 16 that I actually took my first trip you know far away and

that was with a group of youth to work at an orphanage in Belize. And so that was the very first time I got on a plane. No, I went to Miami one time before that as well. So yeah, I got on a plane and Belize was sort of my first introduction to international travel as a 16-year-old. And that

Tara (Travel with TMc) (06:12)
Mmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (06:35)
of got me hooked and just the learning that you take on when you're faced with something that is very different from your own environment and community, language, food and yeah that just got me super curious to travel as much as possible.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (07:01)
That must have been such an incredible experience because I imagine it is quite different there than it is here. And as your first trip, like my goodness, I'm also wondering too, because you're quite the writer and you've written for several different publications in Canada and Ontario. Were you a journaller growing up? Do you have any of those memories like stored for yourself somewhere?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (07:24)
Um, I don't think I have extensive written memories of that time. Um, just old photos, certainly. and some of my subsequent trips, I would do presentations afterwards. And maybe those are lurking in a box in the attic somewhere. I don't know. But.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (07:37)
Mmm.

Nice.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (07:50)
I would be very curious about those.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (07:52)
Yeah, something to look back on. How do you choose now where to travel? Because I know that Joshua Tree is a really special place to you. You just went to New York City for the first time. I feel like you need to share with people how much you walked there and how many tours you did. And yeah, like what grabs your attention now, both as an individual who travels, but as a tour operator who's travelling and probably has that lens on while you're somewhere new too.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (07:55)
Yeah.

Yeah, I would say my inclination has always been towards smaller, out of the way kind of places. Big cities, despite the fact that I have just gone to New York for the first time, big cities have never been, you know, where I'm drawn to. I'm usually drawn to kind of quieter, slower kind of places.

and because I love the whole idea of slow travel and it's very calming and it allows for you to just wander and you don't have to pre-plan necessarily and places that aren't so amped up that you need to pre-plan everything in advance and so yeah that's kind of why I like places like Joshua Tree California.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (08:55)
Mm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (09:18)
And it really is, you can just decide from day to day what you feel like doing. Places that have a local community as well are also really important to me where you can actually go to a place for breakfast and you will be sitting at a table next to people who actually live in the community. Um, yeah, I really love that. And.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (09:41)
Hmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (09:46)
You know, having said that, that has really, really changed in Joshua Tree, California, over the number of years that I've been going there to visit, and where the explosion of Airbnbs has actually noticeably changed the community. And yeah, yeah. And but that's a place where, you know, when whenever my husband and I go, we attend monthly book club.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (10:03)
Interesting.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (10:14)
and because we've met people within the community. Yeah, yeah. And we'll go to art events and art openings. And, you know, there's people that we see from year to year and spend time catching up, you know, what's been happening and, you know, we kind of keep up a little bit on Instagram in between. And, but yeah, it's kind of cool to go to a place and have people that you connect with and...

Tara (Travel with TMc) (10:15)
No way!

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (10:45)
And yeah, so that's kind of some of my criteria is its capacity for slow travel, opportunity for to engage and interact with a real community, rather than just a visitor destination. And yeah, things that are a little more off the beaten path, things that take some effort to get to. I love the adventure of getting to a place.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (10:56)
Mm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (11:07)
and yeah and it's you know it's easy to hop on a plane and land in Paris and you're in Paris but I like the adventure of getting somewhere else and I like the adventure of walking in places too.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (11:15)
Sure.

Yeah, I feel like you're an expert walker. You even on your Instagram, you give tips on shoes and how far you've walked for the summer with your tours. And I love the little tidbits like that. But speaking of, how many tours did you say you went on while you were in New York? And were they all walking tours?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (11:28)
Thank you.

Yes, they were all walking tours and I did six walking tours. Yeah.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (11:43)
Oh my goodness. That's awesome.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (11:46)
Everything from Pride New York City, and so the history of queer and rainbow history in New York City. Visited the Stonewall Inn. Also a Greenwich Village tour, which was led by somebody who has lived in Greenwich Village for 47 years or something like that. And yeah, brilliant tour. Lower Manhattan.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (12:08)
Wow.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (12:14)
a tenement museum tour, a Jewish history tour on Christmas Day on December 25th. Yeah, so a real interesting variety of walking tours and every single one of them was fascinating in its own way. And of course I have a list of, you know, 12 more that I would love to do as well.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (12:39)
Somehow this does not surprise me. That's awesome. Maybe if there are any, like, if there are any that you think were really fantastic, we can add them in the show notes later. I can get the information and we can add them in the show notes. Yeah. Do you have any travel traditions? Either things that you do in your preparation. I know that you're an avid reader.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (12:42)
No.

definitely.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (13:02)
like do you have anything that you either do beforehand or during or after your trips? That is common I guess. I don't know how to phrase that.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (13:11)
Yeah, yep. Before, yes, I am a reader. And so I usually start reading books that are related to the destination. So it might be authors from New York, or books set in Joshua Tree, or set in England or English authors that I've always, you know, wondered about. Yeah, so I like kind of getting my

self mentally prepared with images and voices. Yeah so usually books and while I'm travelling I usually look for art or some kind of yeah usually art of some capacity you know whether it's actually a physical

print or a small piece of art or something like that. One time it was spontaneous poetry by a woman who was doing typewriter poetry at a farmer's market. Yes, yeah. Farmers markets are also another one of my traditions is going to markets anywhere that I travel.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (14:12)
Yeah.

Cool! Love it! That's awesome!

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (14:33)
I love community bulletin boards. So I will also go and find a local cafe or a farmer's market or a restaurant or something that has a community bulletin board and scan it for local events that are happening. And that's how one time we ended up at a...

Tara (Travel with TMc) (14:37)
Aww.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (14:58)
play in Phoenix, Arizona, where my husband and I got made fun of for being Canadians all evening. They found out that we were all in good, all in good fun. It was lovely. But we were very warmly welcomed because we were clearly, you know, not local out of town. But it was just a very quick way to make a connection.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (15:06)
Oh no... Oh no... Oh no...

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (15:27)
I'm a big fan of bulletin boards. Afterwards, the tradition is to immediately start planning the next destination. Yeah, usually that's either on a train home or on the plane or driving or whatever it is, but then it's already thinking about what the next destination is. Yeah.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (15:37)
Love it.

Yeah, and

do you and your husband take turns with the destinations or do you decide together or is there one person who really spearheads where you guys go?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (16:01)
Um, I'd say it's, it's a joint decision. Yep. And we each toss out ideas and for whatever reason, gravitate towards one idea or another. And yeah, we're pretty, sympatic. Is that a word? Sympatic, I guess.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (16:20)
Now it is.

You're in sync?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (16:25)
Yes, yes, yeah, we're very in sync travellers in terms of our style of travelling and our process of planning travel. We really like to keep things open ended. And so we basically just create a menu of different things that we might like to do. And then it's usually pick and choose what we want to do each day unless there's something specific that needs to happen on a particular day. And we'll actually

know, sometimes purchase tickets in advance. But yeah, usually it's pretty free flow travel.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (17:04)
Nice, that's awesome. We're gonna segue into the next, I guess, section of questions. For those who are new to the podcast or maybe don't know me outside of the podcast, before travel became like the big love of my life, language and words were actually front and centre. And I'm wondering, Juanita, do you speak any other languages? And if so, which ones?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (17:28)
Well, yes, I have spoken French for a period of my life, having learned it in public school and high school, and then worked for a national organization called Katimavik, which was a bilingual organization. And so worked in English and French for about three and a half years.

But I also studied Spanish in university and did some language study, private language study over number of years and did some language study in Guatemala and then I worked in Guatemala for a period of time in Spanish and...

Tara (Travel with TMc) (18:08)
Mmm.

this. Hash that out a little bit. I wanna know. No way!

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (18:19)
Yeah, I worked for a non-profit organization that was like an umbrella organization for non-profits and NGOs in Guatemala. And so I worked with them doing a whole bunch of baseline data collection for a new project that they had coming up. So travelled all over the country, working in Spanish and felt like a kindergartener.

just in terms of, you know, being able to speak and communicate and feeling like I'm really an intelligent person, but you know, my language feels like the, you know, the level of a grade schooler. But then people reminded me that so many people in the rural areas of Guatemala, Spanish is also their second or third language. Because many people, many Maya, speak indigenous languages.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (18:54)
Yes!

Right?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (19:14)
Um, and so my not having perfect Spanish was just fine. Yeah

Tara (Travel with TMc) (19:21)
Yeah, that's so neat. Have you, with how multicultural Waterloo Region is, like us being the fourth biggest settlement area for newcomers to Canada, have you been able to use your French or your Spanish in Waterloo Region, either on your tours or just through the work that you've done here as well?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (19:40)
Yeah, Spanish much more so, definitely. And that's always been fun to meet people in the community and be able to have an initial conversation with them in Spanish. And I love the fact that I can hear Spanish in the grocery store or on the street. And it's nice to just kind of...

follow the same route as somebody following Spanish, just so that you can hear it being spoken and not eavesdropping, of course, on personal conversations, but just casual conversations that happen in the community. I miss hearing that. There's always other languages, but hearing another language that you can actually understand is really lovely.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (20:21)
Yeah.

Definitely. I like to say that I'm practicing my listening skills when I hear somebody speaking another language that I know.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (20:36)
Yes. And I grew up in a home where there was also a second language spoken. My parents spoke Pennsylvania German, which is the dialect, German dialect that many local Mennonites speak here in Waterloo Region. And our parents never taught us the language, but they just used it between themselves.

talk about things that they didn't want us to understand as kids.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (21:08)
I'm assuming you would have picked up on some of that though those listening skills would have started early on

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (21:14)
Yeah, it's a bizarre language and I don't think it's just not very obvious at all. Yeah, it's not something that you really pick up and yeah, and they didn't speak it with us, you know, as young children. They didn't speak directly to us. Yeah, so we didn't feel any sort

Tara (Travel with TMc) (21:22)
So interesting.

Yeah.

Right.

Cool.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (21:44)
It's a very odd sounding dialect. And so yeah, we had no inclination to learn it whatsoever.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (21:52)
Yeah, so I love hearing these stories. I'm curious to know too, do you have in any of the languages that you know, do you have any favourite words or phrases or maybe even something that's just so bizarre that it's stuck with you? Maybe it makes you smile or kind of go, what is that?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (22:10)
Mm. Um.

of my head, Not a ton, but I always like learning casual phrases that are, you know, not swear words, but you know, just sort of slang. You know, in Guatemala, people would often say

Tara (Travel with TMc) (22:29)
Yep.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (22:41)
and that's very different than the formal greeting. Yeah, so I like learning those kinds of things.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (22:45)
Great.

Nice digging into being a local using the language. Love it. Another topic I'm really curious to dig into is people's experience with travel and technology as well as their...

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (22:52)
Yes.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (23:03)
opinions on it, I suppose, because you and I have both travelled when the internet wasn't really around and guidebooks would have been like the go-to or paper maps or whatnot and also as a business owner in travel, I'm curious to know both from the perspective of a traveller and a travel business owner, how has technology changed the way that you experience the industry?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (23:30)
Yeah, a couple things. Yeah, I travelled for a long time without any technology. No cell phone, no nothing. When I went to work in Guatemala, a friend of mine gave me an electronic Spanish English dictionary and that was like, yeah, yes.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (23:52)
I remember those.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (23:57)
And that was so wild to think that I just had this, you know, little, you know, the size of a calculator, this pocket electronic dictionary that I could use to use and I didn't have to carry this big paper dictionary with me. But I have also intentionally done travels without a cell phone and without taking any technology with me. And

Tara (Travel with TMc) (24:04)
Yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (24:26)
it's totally fine. And, and relied on paper maps while driving. And, and partly because I am really afraid of losing those skills of, you know, natural wayfinding, talking to people to be able to find directions or find a place.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (24:28)
Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (24:54)
that reliance on technology because we tend to go to out of the way places. Out in Joshua Tree National Park there is no signal. Like you know there's a satellite signal but I'm not carrying a satellite with me, a satellite phone or anything like that. There are no signals and so you can't rely on it. And so I've actually, you know my husband and I have taken

Tara (Travel with TMc) (25:10)
Right.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (25:23)
orienteering and wayfinding and map orienteering in Joshua Tree, just as a way of learning that skill and knowing that we go there regularly and so it's a skill that we'll use regularly.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (25:40)
It's so interesting that you mentioned the skill side of this because like when I was a kid, my dad would make us get, if we wanted to go to a friend's house, he would make us get out the roadmap and give him directions to how to get, and I would be in tears because A, I would be lazy, but B, I was awful with using a map. I needed to turn it the way that the direction we were going in. And I have found myself with Google Maps.

less connected to wherever I've been. People have asked me what highway I took or which route I went and I couldn't tell you because I've just blindly followed go left here take this exit instead. It really is a skill to know how to do these things.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (26:24)
Mm hmm. Yeah. And whenever my husband and I would do driving trips, I'm usually the navigator and I find us a back roads, you know, off the beaten path kind of direction. And that's the best place to find unexpected things. And so yeah, I think that's important. That skill is important. And in terms of how it's influenced.

me being a tourism operator, I've been a little bit resistant on some things. A lot of people say, oh you're walking tours, you should like put them on an app and use qr codes and I've really resisted that because again it creates that distance between you and the stories and the places and the people and the joy of a walking tour I think is

connecting with other people, learning from someone else who has brought together all this knowledge in a really unique kind of way and created a narrative. Something different happens in our brains and physically and physiologically when we have this experience together on a walking tour that people have their brains kind of light up with that.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (27:26)
Mm-hmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (27:50)
wow, I never knew this, this is blowing my mind, or I met three people who are part of my community and we'll probably see each other next week at the market because we all go there. And so it's this connection space that just doesn't happen in the same way with technology. So in that way, I'm a little bit old school in relying on showing

Tara (Travel with TMc) (27:54)
Thank you.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (28:20)
you know, printed photos on our walking tours. And, you know, certainly I use an online reservation system so that people can book and pay. That's just, you know, that's a standard for the industry, for people to be able to do that. But yeah, I think it's about the connection and having that happen in a different way that's more analogue rather than digital, because like, you know,

We're 80% digital now on everything. And more and more people are gravitating to more of those kind of analogue experiences. So that's my jam. And I like being able to provide that for people.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (29:01)
Yeah, it's...

I love that you do that. Honestly, I think one of the most special parts of travel is the connection with other humans, whether it's asking for directions instead of using Google Maps, or asking the barista where their favourite restaurant is to go to, or meeting somebody on a walking tour, or meeting the guide, like in Dublin, you know, how I met Kevin. And for anybody who's listened to the episode that Kevin and I recorded, he is a tour owner and tour guide in Dublin, and he used to live in Kitchener!

And if I had done an audio guide on my phone, we would have never made that connection. And subsequently, I've been able to connect him with you, Juanita. That's what makes the world go around, is all of these personal human elements. So I'm with you on this. Long live the resistance against some tech. Yep, yep.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (29:51)
Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, and I just don't want to be holden to it all the time. You know, once the walking tour starts, you know, or even, you know, 15, 20 minutes before, I don't have time to check for late, you know, last minute people. And my full attention is on the group and the people who are there. And

Yeah, so it's something that I don't like to rely on and be absolutely responsive to all the time. There's a time to just get analogue. Ha ha ha.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (30:29)
Yeah.

Yep, I hear you love the tangible. How do you do you do you document your travels at all just like just for you not for the rest of the world. I think your husband does drawings when you guys are away. But do you do anything like that? Or do you write or is it your photographs?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (30:52)
Yeah, a couple things. Photos, definitely, and some of them I'll share online. And I like doing story documentations on Instagram of travels. I usually also document through little objects, so it might be a stone from a hike

you know, a particular photo of a particular object or something or something unique that we found on a hike. Yeah, my husband sketches and draws. And so, you know, if we end up hiking 3000 feet, you know, to the top of a summit or something, we'll sit at the summit for an hour while he draws. And or, you know, sometimes I will find a fabric or something that

represents a travel and I'll sew it maybe into a garment that I would wear for myself or a bag or something like that. So yeah and often through art or you know small objects. And yeah sometimes I do write as well as I've written a number of travel articles based on travels.

Yeah, I think that's the majority of it. Yeah, I do also. Yeah, for a number of years, I did travel diaries, where I would document in more detail, but I haven't done that in like maybe more than a decade. But we do always keep our menu of things that we plan to do. And then we usually end up making a little

Tara (Travel with TMc) (32:12)
That's really cool. Yeah, such a variety. I love it.

Mm-hmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (32:38)
you know, calendar schedule of what we actually do each day. So we do actually have a, you know, a documented list of things that we did. And yeah.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (32:45)
A record.

Yeah.

Very cool, that's so neat. I love hearing about how people preserve those memories for themselves, because there's so many different ways that you can do it, and that changes for people through the course of their life as well. Moving forward a little bit, I know that in North America there's often this conversation about the impacts that we receive on a personal level from travel. Travel has changed my life, or travel has given me this, or whatnot.

I'm curious to know a bit about how travel has impacted your life and what are some of those benefits that you've received and then once we talk about that a bit I'd love to flip the script as well and I have a few other questions to toss your way.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (33:35)
Sure. I think the biggest impact has really been just the desire to learn from people and learn about other people's experiences around the world. I think it makes us more empathetic people when we travel in an authentic way and learn about other people's lives. I think it makes us more

tuned in to what's happening in other parts of the world, where people's experiences are very different from our own and myself being a privileged middle-aged white woman, I carry a lot of privilege. And I think it's important for me to keep learning about other people's experiences. And I think that also has helped me.

to move to action in different ways. And it's also impacted a lot of decisions about the way I live and the way I travel and trying to be as light as possible on the earth and having as minimal an impact as possible when I travel. Yeah.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (34:53)
Mm hmm. Yeah, beautiful. Has there been anything or anywhere that has really surprised you in your movement around the world, whether it's a place that you maybe had some ideas about beforehand, or that you had no idea about beforehand, and it kind of just blew you away, or something about yourself as well?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (35:13)
Um yeah, Two destinations that have become, I guess, stuck in my mind. You know, Joshua Tree, California, obviously I've mentioned that a couple times. And that has really been about developing the sense of community there, which keeps us going back. And it's a landscape that I've discovered

um, really actually lets you, disengage from the world around you. And you're just, immersed in a landscape. And for me there, it's about the sky. It's the fact that you can see a full horizon that's unobstructed by buildings and forests. And so you can see the sky for, you know, forever.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (35:49)
Mm-hmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (36:07)
You can see so much sky that you can see the sun rising in the morning in East and the moon going down in the West at the same time. Like the sky is that big. Yeah. And also in southwest US, Phoenix, Arizona really surprised me. My husband and I went there because it was a quick direct

Tara (Travel with TMc) (36:15)
Oh, wow.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (36:34)
we had like five days away and so we wanted something warm and something that we could get to with a you know fairly short direct flight and we went to Phoenix having minimal expectations about it because it's a large sprawling city but we discovered that it was full of art.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (36:52)
Mm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (36:59)
outdoor art, amazing galleries and museums, and came across this empty lot. And there was a group of people sitting in the middle of the lot, two chairs with a table and a flower vase in it, and somebody filming them. And so we just stopped to watch. And when they were finished, we said, what's happening here? And they said, well, we're starting a Phoenix place making initiative. Oh my gosh.

So, I mean, those were our people to just, you know, be tuned into what's happening over there and, you know, connecting those people. And so, yeah, it ended up, you know, an hour long conversation about this initiative that they were starting. Yeah, and Portugal. I would jump at the chance to go back to Portugal.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (37:33)
Yeah!

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (37:54)
after having done an eight day walking tour. No big surprise. Yeah, yes. And it was town to town. And so, you've got from morning till night to get yourself to your evening accommodations. And you've got your own maps, it's self-directed, self-timed and

Tara (Travel with TMc) (37:55)
Okay.

Eight day walking tour? Oh my gosh.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (38:22)
it went through, you know, these coastal areas and through some forested areas and into the town of Sintra with these fantastical castles and buildings and yeah, and it was just absolutely delightful and the food, all the fish and seafood and oh my gosh. Yeah, so that was

Tara (Travel with TMc) (38:50)
I have a feeling

it won't be long before you're back based on how you're talking about it.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (38:55)
Yeah, and that was a trip without any technology. We just had our guidebook and map book that we were given for the trip and followed all of our routes and tours for the day. You could choose to take a shorter route or longer route. Yeah, it's delightful. Absolutely lovely way to see 75 kilometers of Portugal.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (39:00)
Beautiful.

Very cool.

Amazing! I love this. Do you remember the name of like, would you consider it like an organized tour or is it more of like a Camino sort of idea or...

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (39:28)
Yeah.

It

was through a UK company called ATG Oxford. And you can do guided tours where you're together with a group of people, or you can do these footloose options where it's just you and whoever else you're travelling with. All the accommodations are booked for you. They take your luggage in the morning and drive it to your evening accommodations. And so then all you do is you just carry

what you need for the day. And so it's a great way to be able to do a walking, slow travel, but still have the convenience of, not having to backpack all of your extra gear.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (40:12)
Thanks.

Yeah, that sounds amazing. Very cool. Yeah. So on the flip side of the benefits that individuals receive from travel, I don't know about you, but as I've gotten older, I also consider more about the impact that I leave.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (40:17)
Love.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (40:30)
on places both when I'm there and after I've gone. And I think we're seeing more people consider this too, which is fantastic, especially as Anglophones, because I think, I mean, that's a whole other tangent, but I think about the impact we leave as privileged individuals who can speak our language nearly anywhere in the world.

how that can impact people in the places we go. But do you, I feel like you're a pretty considerate person, Juanita, like do you consciously go through what you want to leave behind or what impression you want to leave with the people that you interact with, whether it's with regards to like sustainability or interpersonal interactions, or how do you think about your impact on these places that you visit?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (41:19)
Yeah, I do think about that. You know, I think it's part of

wanting to be respectful so that i guess so that you know i'm not i'm not a demanding person

Tara (Travel with TMc) (41:27)
Mm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (41:35)
People aren't after I leave a destination or a place, you know, people aren't going to say, Oh my gosh, thank gosh they're gone. Um, you know, glad to be rid of them. That stereotype of the worst traveller ever. I never, ever want to be that. where, you know, people feel like they've been put upon,

Tara (Travel with TMc) (41:43)
Right.

Right.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (41:56)
by me as a traveller or visitor. And yeah, I guess I want to leave the impression that there are good travellers who are respectful and

be that kind of example of the kind of traveller I would like to see more of as well.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (42:18)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like you also, as you've talked about throughout our chat today, like you're really focused on local, you're not going to like big resorts where perhaps the money isn't going back into the community, like you are going to the local cafes, and you're joining local book clubs, and you're, you know, you're digging in and in that way, it is partly giving back as well in

finding those local places that you can contribute to or partake in as somebody who's not there all the time.

Do you have any tips for people maybe who haven't travelled before or who are dipping their toes into it on How to respect local cultures and traditions when travelling abroad because you both lived abroad and travelled um Yeah, what what's maybe one or two tips that you would give somebody else who's in a new place and they are the foreigner

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (43:14)
would say go to one place and stay there for two weeks. You know, rather than just going for two days or, you know, a day and a half or whatever. And, you know, the jet in jet out will never lead to deeper understanding to connecting with community. And go somewhere and stay in one place.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (43:23)
Hmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (43:42)
it's easier on the environment because you're not, you know, jetting around to multiple destinations all in one trip, but go to somewhere, stay there for, uh, two weeks or a week or 10 days and use that as your home base, as a place to explore around you, um, and within the community where you're visiting. That would be my number one tip.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (44:08)
Your tip.

Okay, that's a good one. I love that one. Is there a type of travel that you haven't tried yet? And if so, why haven't you travelled in that way? And when do you think you might do it if it's something that you'd like to give a try?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (44:26)
I have never been on a cruise and I doubt I ever will. And I might consider like a river cruise. And I'm curious about container ship travel, you know, because it's a ship that's already going in that direction.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (44:31)
Hahahaha!

Mmm.

Right?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (44:56)
so yeah, that's kind of, I'm curious about that, but yeah, I'll probably never be on a cruise ship. I would love to do a sleeper car train travel. Like, you know, you know, a 40-hour trip or a six-day trip or something like that with a sleeper car. I would love to do that.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (45:09)
Oh yeah!

Yeah, like the Via Rail one that goes across Canada or the one that goes across, is it Russia? There's some really cool train trips out there.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (45:30)
Yeah, like the Trans-Siberian, something like that. That was probably not going to happen anytime soon.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (45:33)
Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

No, I know.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (45:39)
sleeper car travel I would love to do.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (45:43)
And for not having done a cruise and not being interested in it, is that a sustainability thing? Because when you mentioned container ship, you talked about how it's already going somewhere or why the no cruises? is.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (45:55)
Yeah, just because they're an environmental menace, um, their impact on oceans, their fuel consumption, the food waste, the lack of impact on local communities. Um, you know, what the stat from Bruce Poon tip is that for every hundred dollars, uh, people like for large corporate travel and all inclusive vacations for every hundred dollars that people spend on travel.

only seven dollars or less ends up with local communities. And yeah, and I feel like, uh, I can do better than that. Yeah, yep, yeah, and yeah, the entertainment travel is, yeah, that's just not my thing either. So, yeah, too many people. I could go on.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (46:35)
Yeah, not your jam. Fair enough. Okay. Alrighty.

Fair enough, fair enough. We... Yeah!

All right. We've talked a little bit... Yeah! It's okay, we've all got feels about something.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (46:56)
I feel... I feel some things about it.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (47:05)
We've talked a little bit about living abroad and we've talked a little bit about travelling and I'm curious about something that you consciously or subconsciously do when you're travelling that you don't do while at home. Is there anything that comes to mind?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (47:22)
Oh.

okay, when I've travelled a couple times I've eaten meat even though I'm a vegetarian. And that's largely just been cultural, you know, because when you're in a small community, eight hours in the in a hill area in Guatemala and somebody offers you a bowl of chicken soup.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (47:38)
Okay, so you're flexitarian on the road.

Yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (47:59)
You eat it. Because you're a guest in the community.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (48:01)
Right, right. And that comes back to the respecting

local cultures again as well. Yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (48:05)
Yeah, yeah. And

in Norway, travelling, we were on a kayak trip, and the guide prepared a fresh meal of fresh salmon and reindeer sausage. And so I tried reindeer sausage.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (48:23)
Yeah, what did you think? I just had some for the first time in December.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (48:28)
Yeah, it kind of reminded me of sausage that I ate as a kid. And yeah, I didn't have any, you know, yeah, I don't have a lot of experience with, you know, being a meat connoisseur. So yeah, it was fine. I ate more of the salmon because I do eat fish. And yeah, having a small piece of reindeer sausage.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (48:47)
Right, right.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (48:58)
was fine.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (49:00)
Very cool. What is the weirdest place that you've ever slept?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (49:08)
Um...

In Guatemala, we were late. Our day, you know, things just kind of evolve on your day and buses don't show up and blah, blah. And so we ended up sleeping overnight in a community and there was no electricity anywhere. I thought I was gonna be sleeping on a pile of bags of rice until some people in the community

Tara (Travel with TMc) (49:12)
Yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (49:38)
brought a bed frame from someone's house, no mattress on it, just ropes across the bed frame, and I piled like a bunch of rice bags on the rope frame as my bed that night in a rice and coffee storage building. And that's where myself and my colleagues slept that night.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (49:41)
Oh.

Oh wow!

What a cool story that paints such a picture. Do you feel more at home in any of the places that you've travelled or lived compared to like growing up on the farm or is that truly like what home would feel like I guess in some ways?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (50:11)
Yes.

Definitely after 10 plus years of travelling to Joshua Tree, feel very much at home there, even though the landscape is so dramatically different than Southern Ontario. It's kind of lunar in a desert landscape, but feel very much at home, partly because of the community connections that we've built over time.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (50:36)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Hmm

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (50:54)
and a lot of similarities with, you know, there being very much an arts scene there, and an active farmers market, and a little bit of a hippie community that feels very comfortable.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (51:10)
love that. Neat. Changing tracks a little bit. I know that you're starting to dip your toes into travelling with points and miles. I recently held a workshop in Waterloo Region that you attended and I'm curious to know had you travelled much with points and miles in the past? What is your curiosity with it now? What are you hoping to do with it?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (51:12)
Ha!

Yeah, my husband and I have used points and miles in the past and have collected them for probably 20 years or so and we have used them a couple times for trips, you know, where we've accumulated enough. I think we've done like a trip to

England and another one to I think a couple flights to Palm Springs that we've used redeemed miles for them. Yeah, so continue to collect and redeem and collect and redeem As we kind of move towards retirement years and the opportunity to use points will increase so definitely want to.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (52:22)
Hmm.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (52:24)
and build up miles to be able to use for travel in the next decade.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (52:31)
Very cool. What are two or one or two items that you always travel with? Something that you might suggest to someone else or that are just invaluable to you when you're out and about in the world.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (52:46)
book. And again, it's kind of a it's a connection thing, you know, some people will lean over across the aisle and say, I just finished that book, you know, earlier this year, or, you know, I've been wanting to read that book or, you know, and it's a way you usually I leave a book somewhere I find somewhere that you can trade, you know, a book and pick up a different one and

Tara (Travel with TMc) (52:48)
Hehehehehehe

Yeah.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (53:15)
Um yeah, so always a book and

Snacks. I like hummus and vegetables for snacks. That's always good. Pretzels. Go to kind of travel. Sort of mini meal is a tortilla wrap with peanut butter, sliced apple, cheddar cheese, and maybe some

Tara (Travel with TMc) (53:22)
Any favorites?

Nice.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (53:44)
creamed honey or something in it. And yeah, so something for a bit of crunch and protein.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (53:46)
Nice.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (53:53)
Yeah, those are two things. I'll probably think of a bunch of others later. But oh and foot, um, because we're often walking a lot, so like foot repair kit. Very important.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (53:58)
fantastic.

Okay, yeah,

that's a good point. And do you have, like, is there a book right now that you would recommend to people by chance?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (54:15)
Um, somebody In preparation for our trip to New York City, somebody introduced me to the writer Fiona Davis. And she writes all of these historically based novels set in New York City. And so one is set in Grand Central Terminal, and other centres around the New York Public Library. And so they're just really

lovely stories, fabulous characters. So any of her books set in New York City. And then nonfiction. No, it is a fiction book, but based on a true story is called The Personal Librarian. And it's a woman who was a Black woman passing as white. And she became the personal librarian to J.P. Morgan in the early 1900s.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (55:11)
Oh wow.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (55:12)
and became one of the most significant art and manuscript buyers in the modern world at that time in the early 1900s. So the author wrote, the two authors collaborated on the book and wrote it as fiction, but based on her personal papers and J.P. Morgan and personal histories and yeah, it was a fantastic book.

The Personal Librarian.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (55:41)
Okay, thanks for those recommendations. That's great. And actually, speaking of recommendations, so as a bonus for the podcast listeners, with my guest's help, I'm curating a travel playlist so that they can listen to it when they're on their trips. Do you have one song that either sums up your travel style or reminds you of one of your trips?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (56:06)
Yes, and it's very obscure. It's an individual musician. He goes by the name of Red, Blue, Black, Silver. And his first name is Robert. And, he is a, an ambient music producer.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (56:09)
Okay.

Okay.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (56:32)
And so all of his music is, and of course he's from Joshua Tree, lives in Joshua Tree, California. And all of his music is what he calls soundscapes. And so there's scouts soundscapes related to the landscape in and around the Mojave Desert in Southern California. And he does a lot of music for a podcast called Desert Oracle, which is a podcast that I love, a very spooky,

Tara (Travel with TMc) (56:37)
Okay.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (56:59)
weird kind of bizarre podcast, but super fabulous to listen to on a dark Friday night in the middle of the desert. And I've actually seen him perform live at the 29 Palms Inn in 29 Palms, recorded a live concert while we had dinner there one evening and

Yeah, and I've met him as well while we were in town one afternoon. And so yeah, red, blue, black, silver,

Tara (Travel with TMc) (57:34)
Very cool.

Okay, you can send me the name of a song and I'll add it in. Yeah, fantastic. Okay, we're gonna end on a speed round. So either you can do it.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (57:38)
Yeah, I'll find one. Yes.

Okay.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (57:52)
Just as it sounds, one word or one sentence, however you can respond in a moment. So where is your next trip?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (58:02)
Burnstown, Ontario. Going to see the Sadies perform at the Neat Cafe.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (58:10)
Oh, very cool. mini trips are the best.

I feel like I know the answer to the next one, but what is your favourite mode of transportation?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (58:17)
Mmm walking. Yes

Tara (Travel with TMc) (58:20)
Yeah, very on brand.

Do you prefer planned trips or spontaneous trips?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (58:30)
Yeah, spontaneous. Yep.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (58:33)
Are you an

underpacker or an overpacker?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (58:36)
under.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (58:38)
What's the most overrated destination that you've been to?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (58:45)
I don't think I've been to many of them.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (58:48)
Okay, all righty, what about the most underrated?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (58:53)
Oh gosh. Underrated.

Maybe Montreal. Like it's definitely not overrated, but like in terms of being an international destination, I think it is like head shoulders above other international destinations, and it's just so casual about it. It's like, yeah, we're Montreal, more fantastic. Like, of course you'll love us. Yeah.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (58:59)
Okay.

love it. Yeah.

Very Québecois What home comfort do you miss the most when you're away?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (59:25)
Yeah.

Um, usually making homemade popcorn. Yeah. Yeah, because I love homemade popcorn. And yeah, store-bought is just not the same as a fresh bowl of hot popcorn.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (59:40)
Very cool. I was not expecting that answer. All right.

Agreed.

Yeah, what's the best piece of travel advice you've received either directly or that you've seen somewhere?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:00:03)
Leave no trace. It's important in the hiking, walking community and I think it expands beyond that.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:00:05)
Mm-hmm.

Definitely. Are you a window seat or an aisle seat person?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:00:18)
Mmm, window.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:00:20)
Yeah. Describe yourself as a traveller in three words.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:00:21)
Yep.

Um.

Slow travel.

curious travel, traveller, and mindful.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:00:46)
Lovely. What are three characteristics since you do travel with a partner that make for a good travel partner?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:00:54)
flexible and good communication.

And up for anything. Yeah, adventurous. Yeah.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:01:09)
Cool, yeah, yes person.

What's the best gift for a traveller? And this could be something tangible or intangible. Yeah, what would you say is the best gift?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:01:23)
I would say art, you know, buying some piece of art from a local artist.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:01:32)
Nice. And I'm curious to know what you think the best travel app is.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:01:39)
Um, I don't use any. So, so I don't, yeah, I don't really know.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:01:48)
All right, no problemo. That ends our speed round. You did great. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show, Juanita. It's been awesome to have you and to learn more about you. We've talked so many times and yet there are still more layers to peel back and learn about. So where can people find you? And is there anything else that you'd like to add?

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:01:48)
Yeah, yeah. Hahaha! Whew! It passed! Hahaha!

People can find me on Instagram personally at Juanita Metzger or at Stroll Walking Tours for walking tours in Cambridge, Kitchener, Waterloo, and St. Jacobs. And of course if you see my little profile on Instagram and then see me in real life somewhere around town, please say hello. That happens all the time.

People walk up to me and say, hey, are you the Stroll Walking Tours person? I follow you on Instagram. So I love that. Please say hello. I think that's about it.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:02:50)
Very cool. And for anybody who is in the region or who's visiting the region, I know that Juanita has added some new food and thrifting tours for the 2024 season, so definitely check those out as well. I know that I will be, and I guess that's it. I hope you have a wonderful long weekend and I can't wait to connect in person again soon.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:03:11)
Awesome, thanks so much for the conversation, Tara. It's been super fun.

Tara (Travel with TMc) (1:03:15)
Thanks Juanita, take care, bye.

Juanita Metzger (Stroll Walking Tours) (1:03:17)
Take

care.