Metamorphosis with Manu

What if transformation wasn’t something you rushed, but something you lived, slowly, over time? This episode is for anyone navigating change, questioning their path, or feeling the pressure to “figure it all out” too quickly. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by growth, or unsure how to trust your own evolution, this conversation offers a steadier, more grounded way forward.

Today, I’m creating butterfly postcards in the studio with energy worker Manu — someone whose life reflects decades of lived transformation. Together, we explore what it really means to evolve, not through instant awakenings, but through years of experience, trial, and integration.

Manu shares her personal journey, from early spiritual sensitivity to becoming her own experiment — revealing how intuition, healing, and consciousness develop over time. We talk about mentorship, synchronicity, and the courage it takes to trust your path without needing a blueprint.

We also examine the tension between modern spirituality and real life — how growth isn’t about escaping the world, but how to stay grounded within it. From heartbreak and chance encounters to deeper questions around lineage, culture, and identity, this conversation invites a more honest relationship with change.

Highlights:

• The process of spiritual awakening and the importance of grounding practices.
• How authenticity can drive societal change.
• Why embracing chaos is crucial for personal and collective growth.
• The symbolism of the chrysalis and butterfly for transformation.
• How technology aids in connecting with broader realities.
• Practical tips for navigating fear and embracing change.
• The role of authenticity and vulnerability in spiritual teaching

About Manu:

Manu River Del Prete is an energy healing facilitator, channeller, psychic ability coach, Galactic Akashic reader, past life regression therapist, and Feng Shui and Space Clearing practitioner. She has devoted over three decades to exploring invisible energies. Through her teaching, coaching, and practice—from medical intuition to life alignment and shifting—Manu integrates psychic, physical, and metaphysical energies. She assists clients in experiencing an awareness they already possess, through which greater health and well-being can be achieved.

For the past 10 years, Manu has taught energy healing certification classes (Reiki, Integrated Energy Therapy & Earth Evolution Reiki), various levels of intuition and psychic development, and Akashic reading certification courses with a specialization in Galactic history.

Her teachings empower people to break away from hierarchical models in spiritual and metaphysical arts while preserving and respecting ancient lineages. Her approach is down to earth, authentic, accessible to all, and evolving alongside the collective expansion of consciousness.

Website - www.manuriv3r.com

Fairy Tea is produced by Six-Two Studio.

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Fairy Tea is a deeply personal podcast where I share the raw, honest messiness of life, exploring how to break free from societal expectations and follow the heart’s calling. Blending storytelling, spirituality, folklore, and self-discovery, Fairy Tea is both magical and real, whimsical yet grounded. It’s a space to embrace uncertainty, face challenges without fear, and stay curious about the possibilities ahead. Through my experiences, I invite listeners to see that a new way of living is possible — one that is intuitive, soulful, and uniquely their own.

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Transcript

Manu (00:00.074)
It wasn't like, I need to do this. I need to finish this. I need to finish this. It was never like that. It was like, this is happening. I'm seeing this now. I'm understanding this now. Fascinating. And you you evolve. I changed my mind over and over a hundred times. I lost my faith over and over hundred times and then regain it and then expand more and more. It takes time. Yeah. And that's why sometimes when I see these people.

Sophie (00:22.892)
Definitely.

Manu (00:28.216)
that supposedly go through this awakening too fast, I feel for them because they don't have the years of experience. And then you ground into it. I've done 30 years of meditation. I kind of know what to expect from it. I'm not confused about it. I might have been at some point, but it kind of slowly grows into something. It's kind of like you cannot build a house in a day, right?

It's brick after brick.

Sophie (01:00.376)
People nowadays also expect like excruciating. I count myself into this category. Like I had, like it took me a long time to understand. I don't have to learn everything in one day. It's impossible. impossible. you're bound to suffer also because you're like, why do I, why am I not as far as Manu? Come on. Manu has done this all her life. And you just for the first time hear about how to manage your intuition. Right. And then we think we take.

Manu (01:10.968)
Or you can't.

Sophie (01:30.978)
Welcome to Fairy Tea, where we sip on the ethereal wisdom of the fairy realm and uncover its ancient secrets for healing, pleasure and rest. I'm your host Sophie, here to sprinkle a little enchantment into your everyday life. Think of this as one great unfolding experiment. An invitation to dance with magic, trust the unseen and let curiosity lead the way.

Sophie (02:05.976)
Welcome, my dear Manu. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here.

Manu (02:09.633)
It's an honor and a pleasure.

Sophie (02:11.638)
It's an honor and pleasure in my end too. Essentially what I have planned, it's a very much like a stream of consciousness. you know, whenever we get together and we just talk about whatever comes up.

Manu (02:24.418)
Welcome to

Sophie (02:27.022)
You really are the embodiment of stream of consciousness. That's so true.

Manu (02:30.306)
Yeah, I don't expect anything different. never plan. Even lately with my classes, I don't even prepare because I know that knowledge comes through. I mean, I teach them all the time, so I kind of like remember what I'm teaching. But, you know, I used to like, you know, read up a little bit or prepare. I'm like, it's just going to come through. That is so interesting.

Sophie (02:51.584)
Yeah. I mean, having been in almost all of your classes, like, I know the density and the, like how much power and depth and knowledge and wisdom and love and care and everything is in there. So for you to tell me that you can like teach them intuitively makes perfect sense, but it's also just, it's an art. It is an art. So.

Manu (03:17.119)
I so.

Sophie (03:21.23)
You know, to a certain extent, but like the craziness of how I met you is so wild and feel free to chime in at any point.

Manu (03:30.03)
I'll have a conversation with you. But also, I don't think I've never heard you explain to anyone else how you met me. I don't think I remember that. So I would remember that. Totally.

Sophie (03:42.798)
Totally. So I'm going to explain to the podcast audience now how I met you. And that to me is like actually such a wild story if you think about how many people live on this planet. Anyways, I came to New York last year because I was madly in love with this guy and I wanted to stay longer in New York to figure out whether we could be an item. And like he ended up just...

Manu (03:53.08)
Yes.

Manu (04:08.718)
straightforward ghosting me, which is really, really...

Sophie (04:11.848)
brutal. And I don't think I've ever suffered this much in my life. And I literally was just like out of sheer desperation, I was Googling what kind of like healing modalities I could do order to just like remedy my state of being, just the tiniest bit. And I found energy healing. And interesting enough, I remember coming into your beautiful space and I was like,

And you asked me, have you done energy healing before? And at the time, I mean, now I'm like Reiki attuned and everything. But at the time, I didn't know that Reiki and energy healing was the same thing. So I was just like, no, I've never done energy healing. But then I realized it's the same. So I've done Reiki before, but it was never as profound and just so intense and such a crazy contrast as it was with you. And I touched on this with you too, but like,

I came in and I saw you, I was in awe. Like you were just this super cool tiny Italian lady that was just like, I was just there, was like, I wanna be her when I grow up.

Manu (05:25.496)
love that thank you because most people think I'm like cuckoo for Coco Pops, you know? I mean, I don't mind, but I think you are seeing my soul. Yeah. everyone can see that. You know? Yeah. You know, a lot of people call me like weird or strange, you know, which is fine. I mean, I don't really mind, but you say that I was like, that's amazing. Thank you. And also to that point of

Sophie (05:38.008)
Sure.

Manu (05:54.798)
I didn't know that you didn't know the difference, which is cute and funny. But yes, I don't just do reiki. I think you learned that after taking my classes. So it's like I am attuned to many different kinds of energy. And I think that that was exactly where you need it.

Sophie (06:13.814)
You are literally, not only that, like I told you this, that I was prior to meeting you, I repetitively tried to manifest a spiritual mentor. I knew I was at the point in my life, in my spiritual journey where I learned a little bit here, a little bit there, but I did it all by myself, right? And like, I wanted to connect with someone that

Manu (06:35.832)
to.

Could guide you a little bit.

Sophie (06:41.026)
But then I'm like very much, I'm so sensitive to like people who do it for the wrong reasons or they have like weird energies around them. And you were the first person where I was like, I didn't even know that that level of like clarity and groundedness. I always felt like spirituality and I don't even want to say it in like a moral way, you know? Like people do whatever they like, do whatever you want, but like.

Manu (07:08.258)
For me.

Sophie (07:09.774)
How it helps me is like it connects me more to life. It doesn't take me out of life. And I feel like you represented that for the first time, like in a way that I was like, I want to grow and learn.

Manu (07:23.576)
would from you. And then you took all my classes. And what a transformation for you too.

Sophie (07:27.532)
It's with all your class.

I yeah, I wanted to ask you that. Like, do you remember our first meeting?

Manu (07:35.694)
Yes, I do remember you came and you were in pain and I could feel your pain, your emotional pain. Yeah. And I was like, look at this cute fairy going through this massive amount of pain. Oh my God. And you know, I was there for you, like I'm there for any other clients, but do remember that. And then I got to know you a little bit more with all the classes that you took. Yeah. Because you're not an oversharer. You know what I'm saying? Like you didn't need to share anything else.

But, you know, to do the different classes with the questions, the Zoom rooms and all that experiences, you open up a little bit and you, you you told me more about yourself. that was, yeah, it was cute.

Sophie (08:14.166)
And we, our relationship is heavily based on the time we spend together online. Right?

Manu (08:21.486)
It tells you something about these times of shift, I mean, isn't it amazing that now we could do that? mean, I don't love the electromagnetic frequency and all of that, but you know, there's, I will say there's positive and not very positive things with everything. Absolutely. Actually, I don't really like to call it negative. don't like to, you know, there's like...

Sophie (08:25.582)
I don't think that would have

Yeah.

Manu (08:47.832)
Prime cons, you wanna say, right? I don't like the electromagnetic frequency per se, but I love the fact that we can connect with people worldwide nowadays. And also I think that, you know, the perception that we have about in-person versus not in-person, like years ago was completely different than now. Now we're able to connect with the person's soul through the video, which before we...

We were always able, but we didn't think we could.

Sophie (09:19.63)
I want to talk more about this because I think this is so interesting. Because I literally was going to say 10 years ago, even though we had the technical possibilities, I feel like it wouldn't have been possible in that way. Like, I feel like it literally is a consciousness thing.

Manu (09:36.256)
It is a consciousness thing. The more our consciousness grow and expand, the more experience we can have that are not defined by the three-dimensional convention. Like having dreams and having conversations with people when they're not there and then realizing, I was dreaming about you, but that's what actually you're telling me now. wow.

Sophie (10:01.198)
But it's also so beautiful.

Manu (10:02.254)
It's normal now. And again, I don't like to use the word normal, but it's been normalized by everyone else's.

Sophie (10:10.294)
Totally. It's like, it's this wild and subtle shift at the same time of consciousness. I feel like if we would have, if we had, and this is happening to me, by the way, all the time, like I could almost every day I'm having a conversation where I'm like, if I had had this conversation 10 years ago, they would have put me in a mental institution. But nowadays it's just like, everyone is talking about energy. Everyone is like experiencing coincidences and everyone is like more in tune with magic.

Manu (10:30.19)
Probably.

Manu (10:39.744)
Absolutely. mean, sensitivity is on the rise, our conscience is expanding. We're learning more about our multidimensionality. We're having experience outside of the material bound of things, right? And more and more and more. And I'm not saying everyone's having this experience, but it's like more and more and more. Yeah, 20, 30 years ago, it was just for the, you know, some people, you know, which... Yeah, you would. Yeah.

Sophie (11:07.47)
Super early.

Manu (11:09.698)
You were first. yeah. Well, not one of the first. think there's other, I think in times of history, you know, that always been.

Sophie (11:19.104)
It's ancient, but it's also a new way.

Manu (11:21.854)
But yes, and I also believe that the way we evolve, we evolve in ways. There's always going to be one in front of you and one behind you. Or a group in front of you and a group behind you. that's not because no one's better than anyone. It's just because if we all evolve at the same time, no one will go to work. You know? Yeah, think it's one of the things that perhaps I teach in class sometimes when...

Sophie (11:40.374)
You've mentioned this to me before.

Manu (11:48.59)
when I teach the earth evolution energy, how we're evolving, right? People ahead of us inspire us and we in turn inspire people behind us. So it's just like a tag, a game of tag, right? So yes, I think in 1991, that's when we had the first earth shifts that caused for a lot of people to become more aware of their consciousness. And then 2012 was another, 2020 was another.

But I will say, 1991, right? I was, how old? Like, less than 20? was a teenager, right? But my spiritual experiences started as a teenager. Well, I...

Sophie (12:33.24)
Wow. What was that like?

Manu (12:39.948)
I laugh because when I was a child, I could connect with invisible energy or crossed over soul, spiritual energy of all kind, what a child will call an imaginary friend, right? Yeah, I had many of those. But I always have like, at first, I do remember going through this thinking when I was like seven or eight.

going through the thinking that everyone was like me. And then as I started to express a little bit what I was experiencing with my family, and they started to look at me like I had three heads, I was like, oh, well maybe it's just me. And then, know, as I grew into a person, I realized, oh no, this is just rare. Even though now it's pretty common to have this experience, but 40 years ago, 50 years ago, it wasn't that common.

And later on, I realized I had so much wisdom in me. Not that I want to tell me or I didn't know what wisdom was when I was a teenager, but I never really feel like I had to share this. wasn't afraid of sharing it, but at the same time I was like, no, people were not going to understand this. So I just kept it for myself. I wasn't upset for not sharing that part of me, which was a big part of me.

So I kind of share other parts of me with everyone else except for that very important. And when I came to an age, older, I started to share with other people. so it was a long process, not painful process. It was just long. And my soul chose that. It's not like I was forced into it. My soul chose that. So I learned through it. I think I teach this in my psychic class.

I was my own experiment. And there's nothing wrong with that. learned something. That's why I teach that class now because I was my own experiment. And not in a weird way. I was just like, you know, try writing down journal, my dreams, my experiences, my exercises, my meditation until I learn, I start putting those together, right?

Sophie (14:59.628)
I think that's probably why I resonate so much with, because I can tell with you, it's like you are so, so much agency over yourself.

Manu (15:12.354)
Yeah.

Sophie (15:14.028)
Like you contain your own universe, your own universe, and you share it with whoever like is receptive to it, but you're not like, go out and be like, my experience is better. You know what I mean?

Manu (15:14.787)
You

You ride.

Manu (15:28.823)
yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's more like it comes from wisdom and having an ego that it's integrated.

Sophie (15:37.046)
Yeah, but you're saying this as this thing in the world.

Manu (15:38.766)
Zift was the easiest for all No, it's not. But it took a long time. So I like, I took my time with it. Right. I think nowadays because of the time of the shift, people lost their experience urgency. Everything's becoming so fast. For me, was like I had a job, I had a life. I didn't focus on my spiritual development like it's my job. It was like kind of like...

Part of me, always, but it wasn't like, oh, I need to do this, I need to finish this, I need to finish this. It was never like that. It was like, oh, this is happening. Oh, I'm seeing this now. Oh, I'm understanding this now. Fascinating. And you evolve. I changed my mind over and over a hundred times. I lost my faith over and over hundred times and then regain it and then expand more and more. It takes time. Yeah.

Sophie (16:34.594)
Definitely.

Manu (16:35.886)
And that's why sometimes when I see these people that supposedly go through this awakening too fast, I feel for them because they don't have the years of experience and they help you ground into it. like, know, I've done 30 years of meditation. Yeah, I kind of know what to expect from it. I'm not confused about it. I might have been at some point, but it kind of like...

slowly grow into something. It's kind of like you cannot build a house in a day, right? Totally. It's brick after brick.

Sophie (17:12.078)
People nowadays also expect like excruciating. I count myself into this category. Like it took me a long time to understand. I don't have to learn everything in one day. It's impossible. And you're bound to suffer also because you're like, do I, why am I not as far as Manu? Come on. Manu has done this all her life. And you just for the first time hear about how to manage your intuition, right?

Manu (17:22.751)
You can't. It's impossible.

Sophie (17:40.556)
And then we think we take a class and then we can do everything after that class. No, if we hear for the first time what something is about and then it takes years of practice and playing around with it and seeing what happens and trying to adjust it and whatever until, and the process of it is that there's so much beauty in that.

Manu (18:01.814)
yeah, I think that's the beauty of it, like take it day by day, right? But it's also, in a way, part of what our society is brainwashing us to believe, right? Yeah. this is not academic learning. is spiritual learning is done every day. When you take a spiritual class, yeah, you might learn a few things, you might open your mind about other things, but generally speaking, you will get a permission.

to open a few more doors. You got a permission to grow into it. You're not finished. And I think that in our society and media and all that, they talk about spiritual awakening as if it is one thing. I mean, you can have magical moment or catalyst moment. we should like, wow, this is amazing. You know, sometimes plant medicine help for that or Kundalini Awakening. You can call it whatever you want, but the real work.

is not the fairy glitter meditation. The real work is actually integrating your ego and it involves suffering. So through that, you can evolve. There's no other way. But the society kind of like promote the idea that it's all rainbows and it's gonna be great in...

Sophie (19:12.088)
Definitely, yeah.

Manu (19:27.918)
you're going to be amazing and you can manifest everything you want. Like that's not really like that. So when a person finds himself into, you know, this moment, they might get discouraged. They might get confused. There's a lot of misinformation there, much more than information. More disinformation than true information. Because honestly, not everyone has taken this long time like me and other people and many other people I know. And usually we are the people that are not out there.

promoting video Instagram. Yeah. Because I don't believe in that. Yeah. So there's also that, right? And I believe that whoever needs to find me finds me. Look, look at you.

Sophie (20:07.92)
You will find me. Yeah, through the craziest coincidences.

Manu (20:11.488)
I didn't have to have Instagram for you to find me. Yeah, no.

Sophie (20:14.09)
I looked, I Googled and I found you. And I mean, I found the Minka webpage at the time and there are so many people on there. The only person I, I reached out to you and Aki, those were the two single people that I...

Manu (20:24.442)
yeah, yeah.

Manu (20:30.766)
It's amazing because you know we're one, right? You didn't know that, but you understood after you met both of us. It's like, course, and even though our profile is different and we do different things, isn't that amazing that you were connected to both of us? As if we're one because we are one.

Sophie (20:33.794)
Yeah, and I didn't know about-

Sophie (20:51.831)
No, there's.

I strongly believe that there is no complete change of topic because I have ADHD, but I need to tell you what happened to me yesterday night. I went to this private dinner of my landlord. My landlord hosts like private dinners once a month and we have this beautiful deal. I take photos of his dinners and I just like eat there for free. So it's like, it's so cute.

Manu (20:58.414)
Complete.

Manu (21:05.55)
Go ahead.

Manu (21:20.494)
Cute. Cute. I love it.

Sophie (21:23.342)
And it's always like beautiful people, like really sweet, interesting people that come there. like some of them are like, they come every month and there is friends and now I know them too. So it's like, it's, it's a very beautiful setting. And so yesterday that was happening and I got there pretty early because I wanted to take some photos before everyone was there. And then a friend of mine came and I introduced her to like the group also, which was pretty cool. And then.

All of a sudden, like a woman approaches me from the side and is like, Sophie. And I like turn, I look at her and my head, like my brain was not, like I was like, who the fuck are you? And she looks at me and she's like, I'm Emma, I'm Eleanor's sister. So brace yourself. I met Eleanor 11 or 12 years ago in Switzerland during Art Basel in my hometown.

Manu (22:09.027)
Thank

Manu (22:14.23)
my God.

Sophie (22:20.93)
We met for two days, we hung out for two days, three or four days. I, one or two years later, go visit her in San Francisco, where she lived with her sister, Emma. And that Emma stands in front of me last night at a private dinner in Greenpoint, Brooklyn.

Manu (22:45.736)
Magic at work, magic and synchronicity. And I love that.

Sophie (22:50.094)
I mean... Listen... I was-

Manu (22:54.018)
Were you shocked? Did you scream?

Sophie (22:58.094)
My body was like slightly like, almost like in a tremor because I was like this. mean, New York has more inhabitants than the entirety of Switzerland. The US is-

Manu (23:13.656)
Two meter at this dinner, it's like.

Sophie (23:16.802)
The likeliness is below, like so crazy below zero. Yeah. But it's just another, like only within this one month that I was living in New York, like so many.

Manu (23:28.622)
more synchronicity is happening, right? That's a sign of expansion. Synchronicity is the first sign of expansion. If you ask me, it's something you can notice. Like numbers, all of this thing that we label coincidence, and they're completely not coincidence. Of course. They're coming your reality and you're like, whoa, how is this possible? Like it makes you feel like magic is real because it is. it makes you believe it.

Sophie (23:53.248)
It is, it totally And it doesn't... I don't even care about, you know, like the whole like discussion around magic is real or not. Like this discussion is obsolete. my life is 10 times better when I believe that it does exist. So I don't even care about the reality of it or not. Of course, you create your own reality. And if my life is 10 times better, like it's just a no brainer.

Manu (24:15.638)
Thank you.

Sophie (24:23.13)
And then things like that happen and you're like, well, it really can't be like, we couldn't even have planned this even if we wanted to. So, sorry, but that was like my sidetrack. was just like, Manu, I need to.

Manu (24:36.878)
You need to know about this. Of course. Now, I always love to hear about this. I mean, this this is the stuff I love to hear about. I don't love to hear about the news. I love to hear about people's synchronicity, people's experiences during expansion times. This is all fascinating to me. This is the reason why I'm here, you know? Not the only reason, but this is one of the reasons why I'm here too.

Sophie (24:47.97)
Of course.

Manu (25:07.15)
to experience this shift in consciousness on earth.

Sophie (25:12.822)
You do feel like a very safe haven in that sense. Like for me.

Definitely. I think you mentioned this to me a lot of times. You've lived in this galaxy for a long time. You have this old soul, but you truly feel like I can express these things and I can ground them in a way. It's not like I experience this crazy thing and then I get all wrapped around.

Manu (25:31.925)
yes.

Sophie (25:47.414)
You know, sometimes it happens to me that I experience an expansion and I'm not super grounded and then it's very just very uncomfortable.

Manu (25:55.072)
It is, especially if you don't have the guidance and the knowledge to understand what is really happening. then your nervous system gets like, you know, scared and all that.

Sophie (26:05.158)
Yeah, mean I've been I've been attuned to to spirituality all my life I would say but for the longest time I was just too scared to like tap into it Yeah, you definitely were the first person that like helped me to like fully embrace this

Manu (26:21.964)
This is, thank you. This is, yeah, this is an illegitimate quality. Yeah, the people have, not just me. But, you know, my guys once told me, you know, it's funny because sometimes you read or you hear certain spiritual teachers. They make such a big deal about.

Sophie (26:26.53)
that you have, yeah.

Manu (26:43.072)
I'm this and that and I did that. And I'm like, yeah, a bunch of people live everywhere in the universe. You're not the only one, you're not that special. To be alive is special itself, but you know what saying? it's, you know, also marketing, promoting. And then I laugh with my guides because they're like, they say the most important thing that you're here for, Mano, is to calm people down. Yeah, they're like, this is your skill.

Sophie (27:07.362)
Very subtle.

Sophie (27:11.33)
is yours.

Manu (27:11.822)
It's not something like you need to go around and say to people, come to me because I know how to calm you down. But it's like, you know, don't worry, continue to do your stuff because your energy is so equipped to help people going through this time. There's no amount of words that I convince you with that, right? But I think that, and I'm not shitting on people who do that.

Everything is divine to me. Everything is perfectly for everyone. There's people for everyone. But when my guys told me that, I was like, that's simple then. I don't feel stress. If that's my job, I'm doing a great job.

Sophie (27:51.97)
You have no idea. like, normally I'm the one to calm people. You know, I feel like I'm usually at the end of the supply chain and like so few people. think in my entire life, I've only met two people that could calm me down. And was, and the shaman that I met in Peru and the

Manu (28:07.618)
You.

Yeah, two people. You will meet more.

Sophie (28:16.536)
We do have a very special talent and we teach in a beautiful environment.

Manu (28:22.984)
yeah, that's what I thought. You know, we can also be very complicated and explain everything in all the scientific or spiritual ways, blah, blah. But when it comes down to, one of the most important thing that we can do is normalizing certain conversation. And a person able to normalize it, it's a person who has lived it and transmitted it to their own body and embodied that. Because if...

I'm trying to explain something to you that I've never tried or felt is you're not going to feel safe. I can guarantee that because the energy is not there. It's like, I'm talking out of my brain or things I've learned, but I'm not talking out of my heart and body and energy that I'm telling you, yeah, I know what you're experiencing because I experienced it before and this is why, or this could be why, or these are the reason why. And that's an energetic quality. It's not a mental quality. Absolutely.

Sophie (29:18.616)
move.

Manu (29:18.966)
Right? Yeah. So the fact that some of us, call us like some teachers, they're doing my job, there's many of us. We're in the bridge between the old teachers and the new paradigm of art. And on this bridge, we normalize things. We're becoming more authentic. We're empowering people. We're not telling you what to do. We're reminding you that you could do it yourself.

That's a radically different way of teaching. Radically. All the teachers I had, and I'm not blaming them. That's other times, you know, that's how they learn. That's all they knew. But they basically tell you, this is the only way to do this, or you could do that. And I'm like, why? And I was always like the why person, but why? Can I do it differently? So, you know, there's a shift, part of the shift, right? We all have...

specific reasons and task and mission, some people call it a mission, to be here, right? Absolutely. And for teachers, think, for spiritual teachers, the teachers on the bridge, I'm not going to tell you who's not on the bridge because lately, on the past news that were all the spiritual teachers associated with all these horrible things, it's like, that's what I'm talking about. At some point, I felt

I was last year and I'm like, actually I felt that people who are really doing an amazing energetic job on earth, they're the one who writes a hundred books or are like famous and the podcasts and everything. They're not quite. I mean, every podcast is beautiful, but I'm saying they're not the hyper famous.

Sophie (30:55.214)
ones.

Manu (31:13.002)
The loud, like sometimes I feel the louder you are, there's like, to me is a red flag. The most incredible people I meet, the one that shifts my consciousness and energy, they're not that out there. I just meet them and then some of them are, some of them are. follow like huge channeler on YouTube that they're great and I love them. But this is also the change that is happening, right? The change that is happening is for all of us to, I watched a video about it the other day. I was really moved about.

Remembering that we can all do this by ourselves, that we don't need a guru. We need people that have done certain things before us so we can, you know, find common ground with them or learn a few things. But we don't, we're in the point of remembering, we're remembering. So that's way more important than following a practice or following a cult or following a leader or a guru or anything like that. That's not going to make you more spiritual. Definitely. That's not going to help you, right?

Sophie (31:46.872)
Absolutely.

Manu (32:12.128)
And I was like, I see this. I see what I felt like that. We're still in a time in which the quiet people are working very hard. I don't know, maybe in the future we'll be louder. I don't know that, but for now.

Sophie (32:29.718)
I 100 % subscribe to the shift in paradigm in terms of spiritual leadership, also like leadership in the sense of like giving the power back to the individual and be like, hey, you can actually conduct yourself and you are the one who knows best. That's right for you. And I think that's why I was so

Manu (32:40.267)
Spiritual leadership.

Manu (32:51.291)
absolutely.

Absolutely.

I can tell you've been to all my classes.

Sophie (32:59.79)
Literally, but that was what I was looking for for so long in terms of like learning it for myself, but also being able to teach it whatever I give out embodied that message.

Manu (33:06.734)
Mm-hmm.

Manu (33:13.646)
Absolutely, because you will inspire a bunch of other people like this very thing that you're doing. It's actually the result of that. You're like stepping up to be the inspiration for a lot of people. You're normalizing certain conversations, very butterfly synchronicity that you know for a lot of people, yeah, they're probably afraid to share it or whatnot. So your contribution is amazing if you ask me.

And everybody else contributes to me. It's fueled by the authenticity. I want to share who I am. Yeah, because that's what it is. That's what it I share what it is, what I learned, what happened to me. I'm not better than anyone. I'm just one part, one million part of the universe. And this is my experience as a doer.

Sophie (33:48.928)
It's, yeah.

Sophie (34:02.018)
Yeah. And like, I try to just as authentic as I can.

Manu (34:07.854)
to...

Sophie (34:09.303)
showcase the crazy universe that lives within.

Manu (34:13.378)
Mm-hmm.

Sophie (34:15.499)
Because that's what interests me and other people too. I want to see all the sparks and the quirks and the little things that make you you. That to me is like experiencing art for some.

Manu (34:24.651)
You

Manu (34:28.429)
I love that because I experienced that with all my clients. Yeah, and I just love my work because I can witness their spark. And sometimes it's kind of, it's like mind blowing and amazing. Yeah, can be. Like it's like, my God, look at this person. I once had a conversation with one of my clients who had a rare form of cancer, who was metastasizing, her mother had died.

Sophie (34:31.82)
You do?

Manu (34:58.414)
And one of her child was bipolar and Swiss. don't tell the same. That's what blows my mind. What humans go through. she presented to me, Miya Zun, and I saw so much light and this beauty and this grace. And she was so open to tell me this. was like, wow, humans are amazing. Humans are. This is a teacher to me.

Totally. Like, you these moments are like, wow, if she could do this.

Sophie (35:29.442)
There's so much wisdom in what you just said because you're inherently a teacher if you are you. And I think that ties back to like the idea of like, we're all just consciousness that is experiencing itself. So we're each like a little snowflake that is like, we're kind of like the same, but we're all so uniquely different. like just understanding your own story and then like meeting people from your own story is literally creating magic. Like you, like we are.

Manu (35:33.043)
You are in

Sophie (35:59.296)
inherently magic, like because of the specialness and the uniqueness of our stories. And if you live that and embody that, it's just like incredibly powerful. And to just witness that it doesn't have to be, you don't have to have a degree, you don't have to have anything. just have to. It doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter. None of those metrics have anything to do. Art, human art.

Manu (36:15.542)
or Instagram followers.

Manu (36:22.36)
whizzing.

Manu (36:26.251)
Human art, I love the way you just cloned this for me. Human art, being human is an art.

Sophie (36:33.6)
art and then everything you do is an art if it comes from you you know if

Manu (36:38.19)
It's creation. It's creation. It's creation. And that's why we're here, right? Yeah, we're also here to eat chocolate and pizza and all that.

Sophie (36:41.676)
That's what we do.

Sophie (36:49.006)
Of course. Yeah, actually let's talk about this. but like, you know, so many people are like, there's still this notion of like, if you dive into the spiritual, kind of like, like this idea of like, you can't like physical things, or you can't indulge.

Manu (36:50.786)
hate people and all that, but yeah.

Manu (36:56.13)
Pizza and Joggle?

Manu (37:04.77)
You

Manu (37:17.934)
You know what I mean? That comes from the doctrines of monotheism. Yeah. And the dogma of that because do you remember when you took Reiki 1? Of course. And I took the class to do a little history trip of how the belief of spirituality and the belief of materiality, which are two

know, belief, when a big belief is shared by the entire population, becomes like collective belief. How these two collective beliefs has evolved through the ages, right? And one of the shifts, I mean, I'm not gonna repeat all the story now, but one of the shift was after polytheism, a large population, large group in the world that...

you know, they started to explore monotheism. And with that became dogma and a little bit of separation because monotheistic people, believe that their God, whatever name or whatever their God is, outside of earth. And there is this inherent association that because God is outside of earth, is not an earth being.

And if we want to achieve any sort of enlightenment or spiritual growth or whatever, we need to stay away from earthly things. And you know, all these stories that, know, stories are story. I'm not saying stories are not true, but they're also passed down and maybe change. There's also different timelines on earth. But the stories are like, oh, I...

Sophie (38:47.2)
Mm-hmm.

Sophie (38:56.61)
Change, yeah.

Sure.

Manu (39:04.65)
Relieve myself, I'm on my earth to belonging. I walk the earth without my outfit. I abstain from drinking, eating, whatever it is. Yeah, there's also methods that meaning practices, yes. Fasting is one or pushing your body beyond your limit can open your conscious a little bit. But the concept that in order to achieve that, you must, it's a choice.

You don't must anything, right? People can achieve their spirituality by having sexual experiences or food experiences or whatever other experiences or sickness of losing their best person or losing their path, whatever. It doesn't have to be removing yourself from Earth things. But also that was what started, created this, this consciousness on the planet, right? I mean, not creating because.

pretty sure that consciousness was always around. But the validation for this consciousness to rape the earth and pollute the earth and not thinking that earth is, you know, a God-like planet, which, you know, in animistic societies or unified theory, everything is God. You are the plants, everything. Earth is alive. Everything is alive and has a spiritual energy.

But through the change of the time, monotheistic people started to separate Earth from their God. That's why things change. And I'm not saying it's bad or negative. That's history. I think now we're in a time of reintegration. We cannot go back to how Indigenous people thinking, but we're integrating a lot of concept, a lot of people.

Like I would say a lot of people think like that. And not to shit on religion either because that's not the purpose.

Sophie (41:03.234)
No.

Sophie (41:07.51)
Yeah, I think it's an evolutionary thing.

Manu (41:09.326)
It's just evolutionary thing. And now even the event of quantum physics, which is basically state that we are all one in the quantum field, it's an idea of earth is not separate from man. Man is not separate or woman or whatever, humans, right? Spiritual energy, they're all around. You're not separated from earth either. So we're kind of like going back to that. Not going back again.

reintegrating some concepts and merging it into our current awareness.

Sophie (41:42.51)
Yeah, it's a new but ancient version. It's like bringing something ancient back in a

Manu (41:50.53)
a new way and put other ingredients so that this moody

Sophie (41:55.414)
It's yeah, it's an updated smoothie. my God, you just blew my mind with what you said about, you know, having like this idea of like God being something that is outside of us and then the connection of like how we treat the world because we don't perceive it as something.

Manu (42:16.258)
Yeah, know, indigenous people always knew that.

Sophie (42:19.202)
And it's also how we treat ourselves, right? At the end of the day, like if we don't believe in our inherent sacredness, we then treat ourselves, our bodies that way. You literally, like, I had like little like, my side notes were like,

Manu (42:39.276)
Moving in your brain. love it.

Sophie (42:42.4)
One thing I like to mention in all of those conversations, it's something so blatantly obvious, but to me it makes this moment so sacred. It's like the fact that everything in your legs, every little decision, every little tiny micro movement that you, up until here, experienced it, whatever, led you here with me. And everything in my life,

Every little micro movement, everything I ever did, every decision I ever took led me up to this very moment here with you.

Manu (43:18.796)
Yeah, if in that is not magic, right?

Sophie (43:21.708)
If that is not magic, then I don't know what is.

Manu (43:25.575)
And also I will say it's like a butterfly effect since we're I'm painting a butterfly right now

Sophie (43:30.763)
I mean, obviously that was my gateway.

Manu (43:33.55)
Yeah, every little thing And every little person contribute, not little person, every little moment with people or big moments, everything is amazing.

Sophie (43:49.014)
Everything. Yeah. And that ties back to what we just said. Everything is connected. Everything is connected.

Manu (43:53.42)
Everything is good. We're all connected. We're all connected. more and more, I think we're bound to, know, the part of the, we're all connected. It's like, know, people say that, but not everyone wants to feel the connection because not everything is perfect on art. So to say we're all one, we're all connected, but I don't want to feel what's happening in, you know, certain part of the world because, yeah. But the point is, no, you have.

That's the point of feeling connected. I had a very interesting experience last week. I was doing healing. And speaking of connection, was telling Aki about this too. I was doing a healing and during this healing, all of a sudden I felt so dizzy, almost fainted. And I knew something came to do me, but I couldn't quite, because I was focusing on the healing.

I almost, not dismiss it, because I don't dismiss this thing, but I'm like, is that because I didn't eat enough to that? You know, like your mind goes to this space. It's like, maybe I'm exerting too much energy or whatever it is. And then, you know, after three minutes, I regain full capacity of my body. It's like, okay, I pass, whatever. But then the day later, one of my best friends in Italy sent me a text saying, I'm really sorry, I have to give you this tragic news. Your friend such and such died.

And I had no idea she was sick. Speaking of we're all connected. She was a good friend, but I don't see her because I moved away 30 years ago. She was a co-worker when I first started working when I was 25 or something, 20, 25. And then we lost contact. And then last time I was in Italy, which also a butterfly attack.

My friend says, I need to take you to Suzy because I know you haven't seen her in 30 years, but now she has her own shop, whatever. When I saw her, I was like, we were so happy. was our goodbye. And she looked amazing, radiant, healthy. I was like so happy. I was like, my God, we need to stay in cockpit. She showed me a picture of her children and their adult, but.

Manu (46:12.02)
Raising beautiful people, aware and conscious. it was just like, wow, that was almost the highlight of my trip. And a month or two later she got sick, but she wasn't sharing. I mean, also I wasn't like, I haven't been around her life, right? So she didn't share that with me. So the moment that she died, I felt her going through because everything is connected. And the more we become open and sensitive to that,

I think we are all bound to feel more of this. And I remember asking my friend, do you know when she passed? And she said, no, because I had no idea either. I read it on the paper. I wasn't that close with her. then I had to go to the Italian internet. And yes, it was that same day and time. So it didn't blow my mind. I knew that was...

Sophie (46:45.227)
Yeah.

Manu (47:08.346)
Thursday. just knew it. I knew that what it was when I heard the news, Isn't that interesting?

Sophie (47:15.323)
is and maybe let's talk a little bit more about that because as you said like a lot of people understandably are scared of feeling more because we already

overwhelmed, there's so much anxiety, we try to people please, like, you know, like there's so many aspects that like, especially inter-relational, like our systems feel at capacity. And then, like, the idea of feeling more feels like there's a, obviously like one aspect of like, you can't control what's happening. It's fear. And then the other aspect is like,

how much of it is gonna be uncomfortable. the fear of the unknown and fear of the discomfort, right?

Manu (48:03.946)
Yeah, absolutely.

Sophie (48:06.924)
why is it still gonna be worth it? know, like, I still believe that it's 10,000 times better than what we're experiencing right now because there's obviously a lot of pain also. Like, there will always be pain, but we'll never get rid of pain, but.

Manu (48:26.936)
will eventually in the four dimension, but not yet. Okay. We're moving very slow towards the evolution, but this is the point. This is the point in which the friction is intense. Okay. We've got to move through it. can avoid it. We can't move around it. Hmm. Doesn't work like that. Right. We've got to move through it. The butter. absolutely. There's no.

Sophie (48:29.046)
Yeah. Okay, good. You know more than I do, but like...

Sophie (48:50.126)
Like, they're fighting the Christmas.

Manu (48:54.51)
You know, you gotta feel the pain to heal. gotta... Yeah, it's also your choice, but you a lot of people choose not to feel or die, not to go through this evolution in this way. So they will, you know, die eventually, leave the planet and come back and maybe they'll do it then next life. I don't know that, but it's also a free will choice.

Sophie (49:16.39)
Yeah, and I think this actually reminds me of a friend of mine. Like he said, he sees so much like in the state of where we are right now, like he sees a lot of little caterpillars that are afraid to go into the chrysalis state.

Manu (49:32.731)
yeah, I mean it's terrifying for some people, you know?

Sophie (49:36.792)
But I think that's just such a beautiful reframe of like, ooh, I don't know where I'm getting into.

Manu (49:41.454)
It's normalizing it, right? And also remember that not everyone has the same ancestry and the same trauma. Of course. We also need to remember that. Yeah. Some cultural background includes more trauma or impacted trauma, right? 100%. So for them, it could either be easier because they've done it through all their generation or it could be more difficult because perhaps they're the only one now that they're able to do it. Yeah.

But yes, I love the reframing of your friends.

Sophie (50:17.026)
Just think it's so interesting. I wholeheartedly believe, and I've told you this before, that I'm channeling something with this whole butterfly thing. This is not coincidence. It's right now.

Manu (50:26.926)
I mean, I'm at the point in my life where I think nothing is a coincidence. Like, what is a coincidence? That's, you know.

Sophie (50:34.538)
But sometimes you just have like, you know, a freak thought and then it just fleets away and you never think about it again. And with this, it's like how the butterfly stuck to my life is in a way that I, I never forced it to be here. never, you know, yeah, had any attachments to it, but it just stayed and it just, it's growing and growing and growing. it like, it's almost like providing for my life at this. Yes. Which is a wild thing to say again, 10 years ago, if I had said this, were from

me in a mental institution, but here I am. I'm an artist and also like highly spiritual, so this is perfectly legitimate.

Sophie (51:15.372)
Yeah, I know you understand. You're, I mean, one of the most talented people that I know. So you of all people obviously understand, but.

Manu (51:29.934)
This is so much fun. Yeah, I love art. I love making art. It's so soothing and relaxing.

Sophie (51:31.724)
You like it? I mean, you're...

Sophie (51:38.466)
of Earth.

Sophie (51:45.004)
Yeah, and like also taking out this aspect of like, you know, this narrative, like I want to change this narrative of like art having to be...

Manu (51:54.272)
anything.

Sophie (51:55.874)
You know, like just the act of making is so sacred. But I mean, you under, as far as I know, I mean, you've shared a little bit about your journey. You used to work as a hairdresser and now you're like a spiritual medium and teacher and you work with all these beautiful modalities and you've undergone the metamorphosis in that sense.

Manu (51:59.889)
yeah.

Manu (52:23.35)
I've been through many mental bones.

Sophie (52:24.872)
I mean, yeah, obviously they're like.

Manu (52:27.086)
At some point it's like, here another one. I'm seeing some are harder than others. it's, know, everything changes constantly, you know, in the universe and in our life. And the sooner you get used to the better it is for you, the more resilient you become. Yeah, but I've been through, I've been through those phases and transformation where you look back and I can't recognize myself and there's no, but at the same time, everything,

ahead of me is new and I don't know how to approach it. And even though the first transformational phases or events that occur in my life, they're, you know, scary for that. And now I'm so used to, like, I don't know where I'm going, but it's fine because I know eventually I'll learn where I'm going. And I'm letting go of other parts of me, which I think lately everyone's been experiencing that. Not everyone, but everyone that I talk to, you also have to remember that.

Yeah, I don't, you know, obviously I don't attract muggles. I only attract magicians.

Sophie (53:30.638)
You

Sophie (53:34.638)
tapped in people. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's happening to me too. I like barely ever have like, quote unquote, normal conversations. I have this one friend in Chicago and I stayed with her and her parents for a couple of days. And when we were by ourselves, like just her and I, she in a sentence was like mentioning that her parents think I'm weird. I was like, wait, what? Your parents think I'm weird? I was like, I thought they liked me. And she was like,

dude, they like you, but you don't have a real job. You're like, you've been traveling for the past few years. You have freaking butterflies on your teeth. Of course they think you're weird. And I'm like so, I live so much in my own bubble where like, I think everyone around me just like accepts me for who I am. And then I'm like, I get so confuttled when all of a sudden I like get this reality check of like, yeah, I'm actually, I'm pretty weird.

But then I'm also super normal, you know what I mean? Like I'm so, I don't do crazy shit, I don't do crazy drugs. I live relatively, you as well, like we drink tea. We have like a very calm, you know. Yeah, we're not wild.

Manu (54:45.164)
Yeah, for a while.

Our ideas can be wild, but our lifestyles is not that wild. it's okay, know, wildlife is okay too for people to choose that, right? Everyone is perfect.

Sophie (55:01.42)
Of course, no, I don't mean it in a different way at all. Everyone chooses their own, whatever.

Manu (55:08.174)
When everybody sees you, know, your friend's parent, everybody sees you the way they see.

Sophie (55:12.792)
Yeah, it's like the perception of you is so like you are different versions of you through the lenses of like every person sees you in a different way at the end of the day. So you are like a million versions at the same time.

Manu (55:28.236)
Yeah. You're also just reflection. You're just that mirror. You're just that mirror and they reflect themselves on you.

Sophie (55:31.319)
are totally.

Sophie (55:37.036)
And it's just, I feel like the more, I mean, I used to live a wilder life and I was less integrated. And that also makes me think because the other day I met this like crazy coke head guy that was just like making up like a crazy story in his head. How like, I don't know, like almost like he had this like crusade and he wanted to like save my friend from another man. And we were just there and we were both like, you know, like

My friend, my girlfriend, she's the last one who needs saving. Especially not from a cokehead guy who's like not capable of taking care of his own life. But like this whole, like it was, he was so worked up. was, he was shaking. He was like telling all crazy stories at the same time, showing us weird videos that didn't make any sense. And throughout, I just saw like this little boy that couldn't deal with his own pain and like.

Manu (56:21.07)
crying.

Sophie (56:35.736)
projected it outwards and projected it in a way that like he made up. He's living in a war zone. He's living in the same place that I am. I live in this peaceful bliss. Yeah, in a different dimension.

Manu (56:47.0)
Just a different dimension.

Sophie (56:53.102)
But like, do you experience that also?

Manu (56:56.686)
Oh yeah. I mean, I take trains. I live in New York and I take trains. So I see all sorts of people. I was just telling my daughter the other day that I walk into this train and the music was so loud that I felt like I was entering a discotheque. Disco music. And this guy was minding his own business. It was probably like some sort of like, he like, drugs or whatnot. Older man, actually. Wasn't like a young person.

And I just even, like I was in my own mansion and I was like, I'm not even, okay, I'm gonna find a seat, whatever, music is music, whatever, I'm just gonna go home, I don't care. the music, like people were really like, what the fuck is happening? And then when the BJs, the BGs, BJs, what was that band in the 70s? The BGs, the BGs, yeah.

Sophie (57:51.107)
Geez.

Manu (57:54.19)
A song came out on the radio with that and I just started laughing in control. I was like, this is like, where am I? But yeah, New Yorker offers all these view of all these people who suffer, people who are living in their own dimension. It's very expanding and very humbling at the same time. And you see these people, you go, wow, I wonder what's going through their mind right now.

Sophie (58:22.142)
Would you say, that's just my perception, I'm curious what you think, I would say that New York especially is like this, you have so many dimensions, like in a very relatively small place, and you kind of like, they're all kind of like together, and they're like from like crazy, wild, whatever, to like, the variety of them is just.

Manu (58:47.544)
it's

Manu (58:50.894)
So, yeah, I mean, I think that this is true for everywhere in the world when like there's a big metropolis or a big city that attracts people from every culture. I think that's the melting pot situation. And it's also a difficult city to live with. Like, there's a lot of situations that are not exactly ideal. So, yeah, it's kind of like...

Sophie (58:51.916)
while.

Sophie (59:08.695)
Sure.

Sophie (59:17.228)
Yeah, no, for sure.

Manu (59:20.519)
when you go out, it's kind of like merging with different dimensions. This other one it yeah. It feels like this sometimes.

Sophie (59:27.688)
Yeah, maybe it's not that it's, it definitely is happening in every metropolitan area. where people from different metropolitan areas or where I've been in the past, like it's not as mixed in the sense that like, think in New York, you can walk on one street and you meet all kinds of dimensions. in different, you know, if let's say in Columbia, like certain

Manu (59:41.312)
not as intense.

Sophie (59:56.842)
socioeconomic backgrounds they gather in certain areas and then other socioeconomic backgrounds together. You know what I mean? And in New York it just seems so

Manu (01:00:04.407)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, you will be more the person to say that because I haven't traveled much in my life. I mean, I did travel, but I can't tell you if New York is so much different than, don't know, Hong Kong, Shanghai, South America, Rio, whatever. You know, it could be like that or no, I don't know.

Sophie (01:00:21.996)
never been to those places either.

Sophie (01:00:29.166)
I think to me, but then again, it's just my perception. to me, I think it feels especially intense in that way because I feel like also when you go to like an event or something, like you just, or also in the subway, like you can meet a millionaire in the subway. You can meet like a beggar in the subway. You know what I mean? You can meet a raver, all extremes. And they all like,

Manu (01:00:32.622)
Perception, yeah.

Manu (01:00:52.878)
in the air.

Sophie (01:00:59.192)
frequent the same, sort of the same routes. And I think that to me is unique. It's uniquely intense here. And also beautiful because I think it's something also like, like it's the spirit of New York.

Manu (01:01:16.14)
Yeah. You love it here, right? Right.

Sophie (01:01:19.246)
Did you notice? Yeah, there's something I think New York is very demanding. Like I feel her like always like be like, put out your best version and you can so easily fall into like, like if you don't do it for like intrinsically for yourself, you're going to get eaten up.

You said this in the beginning and I think that's such a beautiful way to frame your life, you know, being your own experiment. And I think everyone should, to an extent, know, again, I'm not telling anyone how to live their lives, like conducting your life in a way that it like is an experiment to you. And like the goal is like experience. It just, takes away the pressure and it just lets you play in a way.

Manu (01:02:12.682)
Play is a good word, you know.

Sophie (01:02:16.748)
and helps you get to know yourself in a way that's just like, is so beneficial. And I think so.

Manu (01:02:25.454)
And I mean, I did it primarily to learn about psychic ability, but it also led to teach me all sort of stuff about spirituality, you know? Yeah. That was my intention, then through that I grew. So, Obviously. And because you approach it with curiosity, fun and open-mindedness without a goal in mind. So let's see what happens.

Sophie (01:02:40.332)
Yeah, clearly.

Sophie (01:02:51.406)
And then the beautiful things bind you.

Manu (01:02:56.716)
always, yes.

Sophie (01:02:58.53)
And it takes a lot of courage, know, it takes a lot of courage because there's no blueprint. And funnily enough, did I tell you that my podcast, like it starts at the very beginning, it's like, this is an experiment. So there's another coincidence or there's another synchronicity right there. But it takes a lot of courage to like go on this quest and like, cause yeah, you didn't have a blueprint back when you...

When you started this, you had nothing.

Manu (01:03:28.622)
Direction, or blueprint, just me and my experiences. And then, know, once in a while I'll read a book and I'll match the experience. I will learn, that's why that happened. I will get like small explanation, this and that. So, you know, my life I read books of all kinds, science books, spiritual book, Buddhist book, religious, but all the books, all the ancient art.

Sophie (01:03:52.6)
But it's also a way how you like take, start taking your own experience so seriously, you know? And then that kind of changes the perception of life.

Manu (01:04:02.477)
yeah. So.

Sophie (01:04:04.886)
And you externalize this to an extent, know, like everything you do now is a reflection. Like the way I see it, so my way, the way I perceive it is like you cultivated this garden inside of you.

Manu (01:04:12.203)
you see it.

Manu (01:04:18.796)
I love that I cultivated a garden inside of me. I love gardens.

Sophie (01:04:22.574)
Literally, that's how I perceive it. It's like you cultivate this garden within you and then it kind of like started, like I can see how like whatever you built around you is like this, like it correlates with your garden inside. You know what I mean? Like you can tell when someone is just doing something from the, like when it's just aesthetic, but there's no hard coherence. And with you, it's just so blatantly obvious that it's like the garden that you have within you just put out.

which again, takes so much courage, because it's also vulnerable. Everything you share comes from inside of you. And that to me is just...

Sophie (01:05:05.486)
But I'm sure it also came with like so many obstacles.

Manu (01:05:10.414)
Oh yeah, yeah. I just stopped seeing obstacle as obstacle. I just stopped seeing failure as failure. That's what we're trained to believe. But to me, an obstacle is an opportunity to grow, to learn something different or to move beyond it and to normalize it or whatnot. There is no, you know, but you know, our society is built in a certain way. And when you talk about belief system, you know, we all have those belief systems.

And we're afraid of failing, we're afraid of this, we're afraid of that. This is the time of evolution shift in which we're dropping, literally dropping all these fears and undo the work that is done on the subconscious and reframe our subconscious with truest things, truest beliefs.

more harmonious and aligned and authentic to ourself and the universe. That's the shift though. That's what we're doing. But we also need to re-examine ourself, our action that we're Of course, And it's like a constant thing.

Sophie (01:06:17.966)
Yeah, I fuck up all the time, you know, like I, it's part of it. And then you reassess and you readjust and you keep going, but it's just so beautiful to connect with you and to like be a part of your journey in a way also. like to like have you tell me all the things that you've been through and you been doing this for so much longer than I have.

Manu (01:06:43.736)
But you don't know that because maybe you had more life in other timeline and maybe you've been longer than me. We don't know that, right? Yeah, but I'm still a lot older than you.

Sophie (01:06:50.126)
I'm doing a-

But like, this life, you-

Of course, no, but that's what I mean. It's inspiring for me to see that you did this experiment. And even though I can only imagine how many times you it was like you've experienced a lot of hardship, but you've never given up. You always persevere and you found a way to integrate all those things in your timeline. And that to me is just so inspiring.

Manu (01:07:25.23)
You're inspiring me. Because this is, you will inspire other people. I bet when you're my age, you're going to be like...

Sophie (01:07:37.688)
I mean, I'm just here for it. I just love to experience life. Literally, that's the only goal. I don't think I've ever told you this, but my definition of success is people telling me that they saw a butterfly and they thought of me. There's nothing that makes me happier. There's nothing that makes me happier. And so if that's happening,

Manu (01:07:41.102)
Yeah, that's the most important.

Manu (01:08:01.208)
That's what you're here for.

Sophie (01:08:07.606)
Life is good. know, my life is great. My life is great. Look at this. Literally people give me their butterfly creation. I'm so blessed.

Manu (01:08:11.074)
Yo, I feel great. Like, you're full of butterflies?

Manu (01:08:19.874)
I'm so.

Manu (01:08:23.672)
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make that butterfly because it's special, you know? To give ourselves the time to sit down and color a butterfly like I was in kindergarten, you know? Life is good.

Sophie (01:08:40.078)
I think all these things were good enough when we were children. Why would they not be good enough now? Children's books, they carry the most beautiful messages. Why would they be children's books? Why do we

Manu (01:08:46.166)
Exactly.

Manu (01:08:53.96)
Books, there are books and there are spiritual art.

Sophie (01:08:57.653)
Yeah, and like, why do we protect children and are like, you should believe everything is possible. And then all of a sudden we have this cutoff and we're like, now you have to just believe in reality. It's absurd. It's absurd. And that limits you to an extent that I'm just not willing to live with, you know? So to conclude this session, I want to do like a little thought experiment with you.

something I came up with. still trying to perfect it.

Manu (01:09:31.894)
And it will never be perfect, but it will be always beautiful.

Sophie (01:09:35.234)
You're so right. like, you're totally right. But I've shared with you the idea of this project, finding out whether in a way we can connect to the future. I mean, you of all people, for sure. I mean, you have your guides and you're like so tabbed in, but I'm trying to do this, this experiment. Cause I, especially collectively, like

I'm so sick and tired of this whole doom narrative of like, we're doomed, we're fucked, everything is good. And I'm like, we're not gonna manifest anything good from that. So we have to get passed out. have to like reframe what's going on to like, just to give our brains more space to kind of see different angles. So what I'm trying to do, I mean, as a former lawyer, I'm very curious how a collective...

organizes itself and how we can evolve. And again, I really, I love that we are on the same page in that sense. Like I really see it as like a developmental of like law, the way it was structured, like it worked for a while, but now we're at a stage where our consciousness grew and we need to integrate certain aspects that are not being taken in consideration enough, right?

Manu (01:10:45.048)
sing.

Sophie (01:11:01.878)
So yeah, I want to conduct a little experiment with you. Are you ready? Yeah. When you tune into the world right now, and again, it's not about moralizing what's going on. I don't want to talk about politics.

Manu (01:11:08.206)
Mm-hmm.

Manu (01:11:14.599)
No, I I won't. Even if you ask me, I won't.

Sophie (01:11:17.07)
It's okay. But just like how do you how does it feel in your body?

Manu (01:11:23.224)
So it feels like a beautiful caldera of transformation. Chaotic, dark and light in the same time, moving, anxiety driven. But at the same time, I'm not focusing on that. I know it's necessary and exists.

And my job, a spiritual job, is not to focus on that, it's just understanding and living through it, because I can't avoid it, obviously. I understand living through it and do my best to, because this transformation is gonna happen for many years. Many, many, many, it's gonna be very slow, right? Even though we're awakening fast, point, and each one of us has a little, it's kind of like, I share this in class sometimes, in some of my classes. You know, I'll,

Sophie (01:12:03.438)
Totally.

Manu (01:12:13.964)
hands work, yes, we're all responsible. We're doing our own thing. We don't see the result of it, but we keep doing it because we trust that we have faith that eventually there will be the right people changing the right system. know, people often get overwhelmed because there's so many things that needs to change.

But you know, if I have to change politics, I will be a politician. If I have to change the economy, which is a system that will be, I will be an economy, but I'm a spiritual teacher, so that's I can do, right? But I think that it's also a lot of the future that I'm sensing coming from the present sensations, it's also very new. It means we don't have an answer yet. We had to move through the chrysalis.

And then eventually we all will go through all these different timelines and answers and slowly build up in society. I trust that that will happen, but I can't see it now, if it makes sense. Like I trust that that will happen, but it might happen after I'm dead or maybe before I die. And it will continue to change rapidly. Almost like in 10 years, you will look back and go, well, we did that, we changed that, But the change that I'm dreaming about is not going to mean 10 years.

Sophie (01:13:16.216)
Yeah.

Manu (01:13:35.062)
But in 10 years, we may see radical shift and changes that we didn't think possible. Yeah. And that's what a lot of spiritualists are saying. My guides are saying the same. My guide says, yeah, it's going to happen. It's just like, you know, take it day by day. You know, one of my teachers once said, the quantum field only reads harmony in disharmony. What do you want to be? Even though if you don't know the answer or you don't know where you're

Sophie (01:13:59.182)
turn.

Manu (01:14:03.374)
places, or you don't know how to create what you need to create. But are you going to be in this harmony or harmony? Because the more you're in harmony, which you do your best to be there. that doesn't mean escapism. Harmony is not like love and light and butterfly. Harmony is like understanding what we're going to do and bringing yourself to a different position so you can restore your inner harmony somehow.

Sophie (01:14:16.974)
to Ligri.

Manu (01:14:32.94)
So, you know, if a lot of people are constantly watching the news, it's like, that's, you're not changing the world by watching. Yes, I understand you need to be informed. But for a lot of spiritual teachers like me, we don't, I'm not even in any media. The work I do is invisible. And I'm not going to get a medal for it. I don't a medal for it. I don't care. But I know that what I'm doing is exactly what I supposed to do so I don't get like tripped up by.

I should do this, should do that. People should do that, or you should do that. No, we're all doing our best. For sure. Does that answer your... You...

Sophie (01:15:12.386)
You took, yeah, you, you, you're so ahead of me. You're so ahead of me because what I was trying to say is like the experimental part is like, if we were to apply the symbol of the butterfly to the collective, cause again, like I'm telling you, like the butterfly to me, it, it saves me, gives me answers. It like takes care of me. So I'm trying to like share that also with the people that are in my field and, and, and to like.

Manu (01:15:15.904)
Yay!

Sophie (01:15:41.314)
the largest extent to the collective. And so if you would apply that lens and perceive what you just described, you know, it's like the light and the dark and everything together and a lot of like change. And you said that in your own words, like as like being in a state of chrysalis where, yeah, it's like the state of this membranes, a state of disembodiment, like a lot of things.

Again, not in a moral accusational way. I don't, there's no good, bad, whatever. it's just, it's just a lot of like, energy.

Manu (01:16:17.698)
way to

It's is just a lot of reorganization. we were to apply the Baruchai symbol, mean, or?

Sophie (01:16:33.752)
Just like as a concept, we're like, we applied as a concept, we're in a chrysalis state on a collective level. And if we tap into the aspect of like, the caterpillar already contains the information of the butterfly, right? So we, as a collective, on a very physical,

visceral level, like we contain the information.

Manu (01:17:06.464)
Follow the information of the future.

Sophie (01:17:08.684)
the butterfly, you know? So I believe that we each just hold like a little piece and I think those are visible representations of those little pieces that we put, we piece together, we literally piece them together. And so we each hold like a little piece. And what I'm trying to do here is also like, is connect to the symbol, tune into like a state of body where we like really like in the body and like.

see what comes through. And so my question is, guess, in a way again, like, if you were to, without naming any outcomes, because our brains are not capable of doing that, But what the butterfly state of humanity feel like in your body?

Manu (01:18:01.454)
beautiful question. Let me think for a minute, but I also wanted to say that what you're doing, it feels to me like you're a microcosm for the macrocosm with this podcast. that. Yeah, that's what you're doing. that's what I believe you're doing. Because I'm not doing this alone. Yeah, that's why it's powerful, because it's not just you, it's a co-creation.

Sophie (01:18:20.224)
What we're doing actually.

Manu (01:18:28.654)
What the butterflies say, my God. You know, I have been in meditation transporting myself astrally into future times and I've also guided people through that same meditation. And I see different things each time, but it does feel freedom is what comes through. Freedom of existing and without the fear.

Sophie (01:18:51.886)
I love.

Manu (01:18:56.31)
And you know, if you think of the chrysalis and the butterfly, the butterfly is finally free to fly in silver. So I think the word freedom.

Sophie (01:19:04.258)
you

Sophie (01:19:07.662)
I love that, I love that. And I have like one little jewel thing that I want to do with you. After these little stars, I want you to write, I mean, if you want to, but like, we're going to make wishes to the fairies. Like, so I want you to like write down freedom or whatever you want and like put them here. Cause like the, flowers are kind like the fairies and I want to like have the stars.

Manu (01:19:21.378)
Ooh, love this.

Manu (01:19:31.98)
And so my wish for that butterfly state is freedom in magic. This is my wish.

Sophie (01:19:46.37)
Beautiful.

Sophie (01:19:55.854)
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