Metamorphosis with Mina

What if being yourself isn’t something to perfect, but something to keep practicing?

In this episode, I’m joined by Mina as we create butterfly postcards and talk about creativity, spirituality, perfectionism, and the pressure to always be doing enough.

Mina shares her path into Reiki, breath-work, and spiritual work, and how those practices have helped her move through anxiety, sensitivity, and doubt. We talk about flow state, collective overwhelm, redefining success, and the importance of creating from joy instead of obligation.

Together, we explore what it means to stay open in a world that often feels heavy, and how small, honest acts of expression can ripple outward in ways we may never fully see.

Highlights:

• Perfectionism, flow state, and learning to create without pressure.
• Mina’s path into Reiki, breathwork, and spiritual healing.
• Staying hopeful while navigating collective grief and overwhelm.
• Redefining success through connection, joy, and authenticity.
• The butterfly as a symbol of transformation and self-expression.

About Mina:

Mina (she/her), founder of Sweetie Pie Angel Club, is an Iranian-American Breathwork Facilitator, Reiki Master, artist, emotional influencer, and vibe curator based between Brooklyn and the online sphere. A Los Angeles native turned Brooklyn creative, she’s been holding healing space since 2016.

Mina’s work is inclusive, collaborative, and playful. Sweetie Pie Angel Club isn’t just about healing, but also about expression, community, and connection. Mina curates music-forward Reiki-infused breathwork events, collaborates with various interdisciplinary artists, and teaches regularly at Maha Rose and Reforesters Laboratory. She sees clients privately (online and in Bushwick), and also leads Reiki trainings.

Clients describe Mina as genuine, warm, and able to hold big space without rigidity. She believes spirituality doesn’t have to be dogmatic — it can be soft, experimental, intuitive, and fluid.

Fairy Tea is produced by Six-Two Studio.

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Fairy Tea is a deeply personal podcast where I share the raw, honest messiness of life, exploring how to break free from societal expectations and follow the heart’s calling. Blending storytelling, spirituality, folklore, and self-discovery, Fairy Tea is both magical and real, whimsical yet grounded. It’s a space to embrace uncertainty, face challenges without fear, and stay curious about the possibilities ahead. Through my experiences, I invite listeners to see that a new way of living is possible — one that is intuitive, soulful, and uniquely their own.

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Transcript

Sophie (00:00.142) I mean, this is all just like, know, catering to my fun as much as possible, but then like sharing it with other people makes it even more fun for me. like, that's kind like how I feel like the future for me looks like. It's like, it's not about like this whole martyr idea. Like that's not going to get us anywhere. It has to be fun and has to like bring us joy. It has to fill us up and then...

We can share this with others and we can be full of ourselves and self-centered, but in a way that kind of like allows other people to be more themselves as opposed to outshining people.

Welcome to Fairy Tea, where we sip on the thorough wisdom of the fairy realm and uncover its ancient secrets for healing, pleasure and rest. I'm your host Sophie, here to sprinkle a little enchantment into your everyday life. Think of this as one great unfolding experiment. An invitation to dance with magic, trust the unseen and let curiosity lead the way.

Sophie (01:20.142) Thank you. so happy to have you. I'm so excited. So what we're going to do is like, it's a small ritual that I'm going to take you through. It's very, there's not a lot of like structure to it, but I always start the same and I end the same and in between it kind of like it flies off wherever it wants to go. Yeah. Sometimes I like completely forget about what I wrote down and we drift wherever and then we kind of come back and close it.

what we're gonna do today, if that's okay for you, we're gonna create some butterflies together. So these are all like creations with the people that have been here so far. And my vision is to like really get the walls full. And then hopefully I can do like a little event with everybody who was involved at the end to like see them.

Mina (02:01.954) The whole world.

Mina (02:12.698) I mean, I feel like if I saw all the things that I made as a child, I would actually be pretty impressed. Because we don't let ourselves fail as much as adults. We don't let ourselves just experiment quite as much.

Sophie (02:26.83) Yeah, I have this thing. You know, I also work as a photographer and I have this very weird ritual where when I develop my photos, I cannot look at them for two weeks. Exactly. hate them for like the debt through the initial period. And then like two weeks later, I can look at them with way more grace. Like those are actually...

Mina (02:41.262) Because they're initially too critical.

Sophie (02:56.472) sun.

Mina (02:57.716) exactly the same way. Yeah, I'm very critical of the way that I teach. I teach breath work and I mean sometimes I'm in flow state and I don't feel that way. But if like I'm in my kind of ego brain mind and that voice is not as nice and it takes a lot of space for me to actually appreciate what happened and realize that my perspective is not even correct.

Sophie (02:59.2) I'm

Mina (03:27.2) Like, and usually there's an impact on people. And I think honestly people are more impacted when something is not perfect and fine. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I'm just like, I need space from things to realize the actual impact versus like whatever stupid rigid rule that I made up that is more perfect or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, boy.

Sophie (03:53.358) I mean that lives within each and everyone. So deeply rooted, right? And it's, I don't know, sometimes I'm like, feel like I'm almost addicted to suffering in that sense. Because it's like, it doesn't do anything else, right? This idea of perfection doesn't do anything but makes you suffer because it never makes my work better.

Mina (04:15.454) Yeah, that's actually so true. Yeah, I'm wondering that too. There's an addiction to suffering. What's on here? Just not being able to be like, that was good. That was an, you know, accept the moment.

Sophie (04:22.049) going on.

Sophie (04:29.324) And it's also not what I want to see in other people. What you just said, like the people I can relate to the most are not the ones that like perform the best, most perfect, polished way. But rather those who can like just be themselves. But then the most horrible layer for me is when I put pressure on myself to just be. Then I like, you know, when I like put pressure on myself to not be perfect and then this becomes like my...

Mina (04:57.55) Yeah, like a new performance or something.

Sophie (05:00.45) Then I'm like, how am I ever gonna escape this hell?

Mina (05:04.91) Yeah, I can only escape it if I'm truly in flow state, but it's a little bit random how flow state happens. And you can try to imitate all the steps it took for you to get to flow state. I'm like, okay, I drank cacao when I did this really well and I meditated for 20 minutes before I spoke to anyone. like all these, you could plan all of these things, but it still wouldn't end up the same.

Sophie (05:30.986) It's so.

Mina (05:31.438) Sometimes flow state is like when I've stayed out too late and feel really tired and I'm not thinking as much about what saying.

Sophie (05:38.798) Which is much more honest, I feel like than a lot of like, I don't know, contents you get to see and they're like, yeah, if you follow XYZ, you're always gonna be, you know, your life's gonna be perfect. And then you do it and you're like, I always get so disheartened. I always unlock like certain, yeah, like rituals or aspects and I'm like, this worked. Now I got life figured out. And then.

Like you said, then the next time I do the exact same thing and it doesn't work and then I get so heartbroken. I'm like, okay, I'm back to ground zero.

Mina (06:16.802) Yeah, I mean, I guess the only thing that makes sense to me is that every single day is completely different. Yeah, who knows what works that day.

Sophie (06:30.466) That's true, which in and of itself is actually really beautiful too, right? It's like, okay, every day is a little miracle, every day is a little special, and we just have to find the balance of that particular energy.

Mina (06:43.488) Yeah, yeah, I think it's like listening maybe like, like today is unlike any other day as I can't repeat anything. what is, what wants to emerge? True. What am I supposed to follow? And not supposed to, supposed is not the right word, but like, can I just listen and be led in a way? I'm figuring out how to turn off the intrusive.

Sophie (06:47.342) It's

Sophie (06:56.695) or what sh-

Sophie (07:07.701) Totally.

Mina (07:12.12) thought in her dialogue.

Sophie (07:15.0) we're all the same boat. Yeah, I think it's so beautiful to like be open about it and

Mina (07:21.934) And realize everyone is And realize everyone is in this.

Sophie (07:24.462) same boat. Everyone is struggling with the same things and we can, I don't know, my hope is or my idea is that we can sort of find a way to like collectively let go of it.

Mina (07:40.622) Yeah, knowing that everyone is overthinking everything they're doing all the time. Like, how can we just decide to stop this?

Sophie (07:50.744) Totally. to me, really also stops like what you just said, like flow set is like when life force really just flows through you, right? And you don't overthink it and you just kind of like open up that channel and just like whatever wants to come through, come through. And there's like this element of like playfulness and innocence to it. And I feel like I, yeah, I'm playing around with that and like, how can I access that more and how can I?

How can we find the formula that is not a formula? Right? It's like a formula that allows you to like take every day as is, as opposed to this rigid thing of.

Mina (08:31.32) Yeah, maybe it's like multiple choice. Yeah. Like movement, these 10 options. Expression, these 10 options. I don't know, that's not even enough. We need 100 options.

Sophie (08:50.19) Like a questionnaire every morning. Like this thingy in the hotel, like in the fancy hotels that you can fill out in the evening before for the breakfast, that they deliver the breakfast to your room. You have like this little questionnaire where you're like, okay, today we're filling this. And then you like fill it all out and it like then tells you. So yeah, how I usually start, we kind of like jumped right in.

Mina (08:52.462) Yeah.

Mina (09:09.623) Yeah.

Sophie (09:17.74) How I usually start is I obviously want to introduce you to the podcast. So I'm going to start and you can just feel free to chime in at any point. I'm going to ask you questions as well throughout. essentially how I met you, I mean, you and I, met very contemporary on Instagram. And it wasn't like, I think I followed, maybe like a year ago or so. I think I followed you and then you followed me back where we didn't. It was like a slow burn, I feel like.

Mina (09:35.137) Ha

Mina (09:47.266) It was, yeah, was definitely a slow burn. It wasn't like... But I immediately loved your whole vibe. Totally same. I think as soon as I actually clicked you, I was like, holy shit, this person is just like the parts of me that I love. my god.

Sophie (09:54.19) So

Sophie (10:04.92) That's so beautiful because I felt 100 % the same. was very, very moved by the way you communicate your page and your content. It was very special to me.

Mina (10:21.07) Yeah, I just thought you were just a magnetic, ethereal, musical fairy being and I obviously resonate with that so much. And yeah, just even fairy tea is so cute. I just everything, all your ideas just seem so cute and you and aligned, yeah.

Sophie (10:41.352) Thank you so much. That means so much to me because I mean, you know, like in the online world, don't really, you don't really ever know how people perceive what you do, which is fine. feel like I'm at the point where I just, I literally do it for myself. I'm like my, my inner child and whatever they want to express, you know, but it's sometimes still interesting. And, and with you, like, I feel like, there was definitely like this, we had like this

common threat immediately. And so over time, like, I think we, no, I reached out to you, I think half a year ago, more or less, the last time when I was supposed to come to New York. Well, I did come to New York because already then I wanted you to be on the podcast. And the reason why was exactly because you have this really, really amazing spiritual meme or how would you say it?

Mina (11:35.214) Yeah, I would say one way I express is through memes and, you know, both promote my work, but also just express collective pain or, you know, collectively transmute things that are really difficult into feeling more kind of togetherness. And yeah, I would say I approach it more as like a friend versus so much like a teacher. It doesn't feel as hierarchical to me. It feels more.

like a very reciprocal circular energy.

Sophie (12:07.99) Totally. I feel like you, I mean, that is totally what I received from all of your content. And I feel like you have a very nuanced tone in that also because I've, there, I mean, there are tons and tons of like spiritual meme accounts out there, but a lot of them to me are like very cynical. Whereas you don't go into that direction. You're...

There is humor, but it's always in like a self-caring, loving way. And that to me really stood out in what you do.

Mina (12:43.884) I appreciate that because sometimes I do feel cynical, but I try to transmute it because I don't really want to just like pass on the... Yeah. You know, I want to elevate a little bit. Even that's my whole work too is if I can't make myself feel better, I least want to make other people feel better.

Sophie (13:03.234) You're so sweet.

Mina (13:05.262) And I resonate with lot of those types of artists. I don't know, like Robin Williams or like Bo Burnham. They're very sensitive. And even, I don't know, like I was talking to my friend about Kurt Cobain. Like these sensitive beings who do a lot for other people to uplift them. But I also like can get sucked into darkness at times, but it's almost part of my work and teaching that I re-teach myself how to come out of it and...

Like we teach everyone else to like how to not stay stuck there. And I kind of like, okay, we can go there, but we can also kind of bounce off and out of it. And I don't know, the dark sometimes teaches you things and I don't get there for too long, but I still relate to people enough to know what it feels like and try to come out of it again and again and again.

Sophie (13:46.646) to build a lane.

Sophie (14:03.534) I think that's what life is all about. And I think it's beautiful to not bypass that and to also be able to communicate that in a way because to just dwell in the happy flappy, it's unrealistic and it's not depicting a true...

reflection of what's going on, right? Like I am the same. I'm all about like uplifting and like transmuting. But the amount of times that I spent in dark places is people wouldn't believe that. And I think I can only be so sparkly because of those dark places. then I'm like, I've, I've, eventually I U-haul and I'm like, no. And I draw from that also. It's like, okay, I,

I went all the way down there and I faced my own dragons. And then that gives me energy to go into the other direction. always feel like the shadow is always as big as the light, right? My potential for creation is always as big as my potential for destruction. If you learn to understand that and not be afraid of yourself, you also have more power to...

in the way that he would like to create. So it's like a conditioned situation almost. Do you feel?

Mina (15:33.686) Yeah, absolutely. And I think when I'm in a high state, it feels so nice that I can forget. We talk about this.

Sophie (15:44.462) I get so heartbroken.

Mina (15:48.918) Yeah, and I do. It really is a bit devastating to me because in my mind, it's like, okay, I don't know, which maybe we've also been conditioned or programmed a little bit from the spiritual realm in a sense of like, okay, humanity is awakening and we're all finally getting it. We're all finally evolving. Sure. And then, yeah, the past month or so.

For me, it's been a very dark period with all the Epstein files. I really dug into all of them more than most people that I know. I mean, guess it depends on you as a person, but once I know, I just have to know everything. And then just geopolitical things. I'm Iranian and stuff, but don't like Iran. Stuff is a light way to put it. Yeah.

Sophie (16:42.154) a lot going on.

Mina (16:43.246) Yeah, and I'm just a very sensitive person. with every, everyone has been torn apart from their families with ICE and everything in Palestine and we, us seeing, you know, the imperialist U.S. empire just doing that again and again and causing more and more distraction amongst people, a lot of whom look like me. It's just been hard to like see 9-11 and see the

is homophobia after that and like see that kind of same thing play out again. Yeah, but anyway, I'm kind of digressing.

Sophie (17:23.086) No, no. mean, it's all linked and it's all part of your story. And it's a lot of my work too. It's like, yeah, you your internal world and how you deal with that, but it's detached from the external. And sometimes you don't even know, is the darkness coming from the inside? Is it from the outside? How is it linked? Where is it linked? And we all have to deal with those layers at all times.

Mina (17:45.677) Yeah.

Sophie (17:50.486) I find it so fascinating that we're not talking about this more. know, like for me, it's like, yeah, I'm so aware of this all the time. And I try to like locate myself, okay, now I'm on this layer and now I'm on this, but ultimately I have no way of knowing. And it's just, it is so much, especially now, like the times are wild.

Mina (18:08.334) Mm-hmm.

Mina (18:16.236) Yeah, and I think it makes me sometimes feel crazier, even in spiritual spaces, when people often just seem super fine and super self-concerned and not be so connected or affected by the collective. And I just need to find the balance of both because, I mean, you don't want, which has been me the past few weeks, is like, you don't want to just collapse and be debilitated.

And you don't want to preach only sunshine when there's not. There has to be some sort of a balance of the two and holding of the two tenderly. Like what you said earlier, if you have the capacity to feel this darkness to this extent, then you also have the capacity to feel the light to the opposite extent. So yeah, how do we reach that at the same time?

Sophie (19:12.238) Yeah, and I'm constantly like the moment in time right now, even though, yeah, sure, there have been things happening in the past that were similar, but it's still like we've never been here before. it's like, similarly to what we said earlier about the individual, you know, waking up and being like, okay, what version of mine am I dealing with today? It's like, we constantly recalibrate about what is actually happening.

around us as well. And again, those things are not detached from one another. So it's like, it's, such a learning curve always. And you never really, never really know. And I guess that is linked to that idea of perfection is like, never ultimately really know, are you doing things well or are you messing up or, know, sometimes 10 years later, you're like, oh, I completely fucked up there, but I didn't even know. that's

Mina (20:04.749) Yeah.

Sophie (20:10.766) kind of scary too because I will see now, but I will see in 10 years. So there's so many.

Mina (20:11.758) because what do I not know?

That's true. I mean, yeah something I was talking to my friend about out the other day Was like how do I know that I'm doing enough? Like I feel like I'm not Doing it enough because for me my spiritual practice doesn't mean anything if it's just Plaguing hitting everyone if it's just making everyone feel like satisfied with dissatisfying circumstances to just be like, well, I'm at peace with like

Sophie (20:25.838) Yeah.

Mina (20:46.068) violence and to just be complacent enough to not actually take action further and surrender. Okay, I'm submitting to this reality, but I want to like give people capacity to access more of their own intuition to get ideas to do something that actually promotes like this butterfly effect of change. Sure. Yeah. Even if it's in small ways, like

Sophie (20:52.014) Sure.

Mina (21:13.698) But yeah, I don't know. I said this to my friend. was like, well, I don't feel like I'm doing enough. How do you know if you're doing enough to make this world better? And then she said that she works for Greenpeace and that everyone there feels the exact same way. they're just like, she was saying like, if you're wondering if you're doing enough, then you are doing enough. Because most people don't wonder at all.

Sophie (21:37.218) That is probably a good reference, but it feels so unsatisfying. You kind of want to, you kind of want to know, but then it goes back to like sense of control that just never is attainable.

Mina (21:42.956) Yeah, because you

Mina (21:49.997) Yeah

Yeah, it's really hard because I'm like, I try to say to myself, well, if people are impacted by what I'm doing, and I do get messages with people being like, thank you, this like helped me realize this and this about myself. And now I'm like seeking help in this way or like finding new resources in a way that I would have never found otherwise. But honestly, sometimes it sucks to.

to realize that not even that kind of validation does enough for me. I don't know what that means. That's not a fully developed thought, but like...

Sophie (22:31.502) I fully get it because especially in the moments where you are influxed and you do a lot, you sometimes start to wonder or afterwards start to wonder what if I always were in this state, could like the amounts of work that I could get done. It's not realistic, right? It's not humanly possible, but then you can like hold yourself to like really, really high standards. And I talked, right, yesterday I was on a call with

Mina (22:48.641) Yeah, that's just

Mina (22:56.236) Hmm

Sophie (23:01.346) with a friend and I was like telling her like, know, at this stage of my life, like I don't even feel like I f... It sounds so silly when I say it, but I feel like I'm letting down the fairy.

Mina (23:14.732) I actually get that very much, yeah. I get that very much.

Sophie (23:19.008) Because I feel like I'm this liminal being communicating between nature and human beings. And I feel like if I don't do enough, I'm letting them down, which in my mind, I know this is not how this works. This is not actually how an abundant world functions. But then my body...

just hasn't fully caught up yet to the idea of like an abundant loving world. Like my mind gets it, like my spirit gets it, but my body is still in this like scarcity. If I don't press myself out like a lemon, I haven't done enough. And that is like fundamentally opposed to the actual place where I wanna go, know? And then I'm like,

caught in this labyrinth of like, wait a minute, it's not where I want to go. I don't want to press myself out. I don't want to take advantage of my own body. I don't want to take advantage of anyone else's body. So I kind of like have to start with myself, but then you live in a world where everything shows you that this is wrong. And then it takes this like crazy amount of like personal hygiene to like get to a state where you don't think you're crazy.

But then you also don't want to frame everyone else as crazy because that's not doing anyone any good.

Mina (24:52.334) Everything you said is exactly it. Honestly, yeah, because I have had really impactful moments of connecting to angels or fairies and that sense of we are actually taken care of, but then operating in this 3D reality, it goes against everything that our body thinks is correct, or like knows is correct.

you can either apparently be insane and not like go along with society and like feel just insane all the time or just have this sort of, I don't know. I haven't figured out how to manage this either, like knowing what life could be and should be according to like a love or abundance mindset versus what it is, which is scarcity and fear. Like yeah, like performing.

to the degree of going beyond your needs or other, or like, yeah, this is my trip lately is thinking that I won't be successful because I'm ethical. Like not, because I just refuse to take advantage of anyone. Or like even, I don't even wanna promise something. In wellness, it's hard to promote yourself without promising something in a sense.

So it's like, I promise that we will have a messy murky human experience that's a little bit healing. I don't know if that makes sense.

Sophie (26:32.358) Yeah. Totally no. And that is a very frustrating thought, right? To be like, okay, I can't get where I feel like I'm supposed to go to do the thing that I'm supposed to do because I want to, I don't want to uphold this idea of like, create a certain aesthetic that makes false promises.

Mina (26:57.37) Yeah, and like sometimes you get more than you think you're gonna get out of something but like that is one It's not a cookie cutter formula. Yeah, this might work for

Sophie (27:09.592) For what it's worth, I think you do a great job. And I mean, I was so excited when I finally was in New York and I could come to your breathwork workshop and it was so like, you clearly have like a very special skill. But yeah, I went to your class and what I wanted to say is like, yeah, I rarely met someone our age.

Mina (27:17.998) Hmm.

Sophie (27:36.984) who is capable of holding a room the way you do. I don't think I've ever met anyone. Yeah, for most, like, you know, older people, they're 50s, 60s, 70s, yeah. But our age, I feel like that to me was very extraordinary. Truly. And I especially connected during that session, I especially connected with the fairies. I saw them more than ever.

Mina (27:40.429) wow.

Really?

Sophie (28:06.19) Very vividly, being all there, surrounding me and watching over me. So I definitely attribute that to your energy. 100%. That makes me...

Mina (28:16.046) you

really happy, thank you. This makes me want to focus more on the cherries. Yeah.

Sophie (28:27.168) I mean, you're definitely a fairy. And like, I think it's so special to me, you I started this podcast a year ago. Actually, interestingly enough, with this whole, like, I kind of wanted to trick myself out of this whole perfection idea. Because I'm definitely like in the past, I was crippled with this idea of like having to get it done perfectly. And so was like, I have to make

the whole process itself, the main thing, you know? And if the process and the evolution of it is the content itself, then there is no perfection.

Mina (29:01.624) Mm-hmm.

Mina (29:11.246) Yeah, have to find a way to trick ourselves into totally

Sophie (29:17.154) I mean, I'm all about tricking my brain into like thinking different, going down different pathways, you know? Like, for example, when I try to constantly like try out new things and I always tell myself like, you might hate it meanwhile, but afterwards you're gonna, like just the fact that I tried out something new gives me a sense of accomplishment. So I focus on that. Do that too.

Mina (29:20.728) King.

Mina (29:43.264) I do that a lot. Yeah. I've been taking more like dance classes and classes that scare me in some way, but that I think would be very good for me and showing up when I don't want to. And with my teaching too, even just trying to, know, like trick my brain into doing some things slightly new in the way like.

changing the way that I've been constantly doing it by adjusting it even subtly. Yeah, I think it's important to not get stuck. Stuck and then trip yourself up about not doing it right. Yeah, I like this process. It's nice for me having ADHD to have something to do while speaking.

Sophie (30:17.443) Yeah.

Sophie (30:32.44) mean, this is all just like, know, catering to my fun as much as possible, but then like sharing it with other people makes it even more fun for me. like, that's kind of like how I feel like the future for me looks like. It's like, it's not about like this whole martyr idea. Like that's not going to get us anywhere. It has to be fun and has to like bring us joy. It has to fill us up and then we can share this.

with others and we can be full of ourselves and self-centered but in a way that kind of like allows other people to be more themselves as to outshining people.

Mina (31:11.244) Yeah, probably.

I really agree with inspiring people to be more who they are.

Sophie (31:18.702) Because otherwise we're always going to be stuck in this loop of self-deprecation and all the other...

the nasty things that can come along with it. But yeah, essentially, I came to your breath work class and that's where I got to ask you in person whether you would.

Mina (31:47.298) Yeah

Sophie (31:48.608) and join me on the podcast. And you said, yes, which made me really happy. Of course.

Mina (31:52.75) Yeah, just feel an immediate connection to Sam. Yeah, it just feels easy.

Sophie (31:58.478) to you.

Sophie (32:02.446) That's for me, like what fairies are, you know, in the past. I've been traveling for the past two years and I met so many fairies and whenever I met like fairy type of people, there was just simplicity. My favorite story is, or that's actually how I got to the U.S. was I met a girl in Columbia. She's from Chicago and we literally

went on to for two coffee dates and one dinner and decided to go on a road trip together for six weeks. And that's just, I mean, that sounds crazy in the world that we live now, but I feel like in a fairy world, that's absolutely normal. That's the most normal thing ever. You feel the person, you're like, I want to hang out with you and I need to just do it. Yeah.

Mina (32:53.902) I mean, I definitely have those types of days or nights where I just immediately feel safe around someone's energy and want to spend as much time with them as I can. And sometimes like that connection doesn't go on further than that. But it's like, yeah, while you have the time and while you're together, why not like maximize.

Sophie (33:19.246) Yeah, totally. You never have a guarantee for how far it transcends. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But I just feel like when you're confused, there's a reason. And when you're not confused, you kind of just know. And I love that feeling. It's just...

Mina (33:25.454) Hmm.

Mina (33:35.0) Hmm. Like, Confused by other people's like energy while it's not clicking.

Sophie (33:41.742) And I don't even try to like make a story about as to why, you know, I don't want to demonize anyone. It's just like, our energies are not compatible. That's that. But I think one thing I don't, I think I mentioned it, but it's another aspect of where your account was really meaningful to me and your work. For a long time, I always felt drawn to like the spiritual realm when I was a kid.

Mina (33:52.002) Orderly.

Mina (34:04.727) Sophie (34:11.145) I could see angels. I always had this connection. But for a very long time, especially when I was younger, it was kind of hard to me to relate to it because I like the quote unquote stereotypical aesthetics of the spiritual world was not mine. I could not relate to it at all. And so I always felt like, can I be part of this world if

Mina (34:36.174) What aesthetics are you thinking of?

Sophie (34:38.85) It's just like this hippie, hippie kind of like wide pan dread logs and and that's just not

Mina (34:48.631) Costumes, we just wearing well, yeah, it's like I got caught in the costume portion of my spiritual path, I guess I'm just There was a time when I lived in LA that I yeah I thought like this is just what we all do and I didn't even realize that I was getting sucked into group think but Spirituality is supposed to make you more expressed in who you are. Everything else is just

Sophie (35:15.278) performance.

Mina (35:18.574) get why that you have to maybe go through that experience. Some people like I did like you have to get into that experience to be like, wait a minute, this isn't me. Why am I, why am I just copying what I think this looks like? It takes a lot of reprogramming from even the spiritual community to be like, wait a minute, what do I actually think about this? Do I actually want to shave my legs or not shave my legs? And I want to do this

For me, like my reasons, not because someone told me not to or you know, whatever.

Sophie (35:54.242) That's so interesting. I obviously didn't know there was like a whole background story to that. But for me, it was so liberating to kind of to see your account and to like, you definitely like helped me understand that I can define that for myself. I can wear whatever, like I can create my own quote unquote, avatar, you know? And that's for me is also like the thing that I do with

Mina (36:00.75) Hmm.

Mina (36:14.286) Hmm.

Sophie (36:24.056) the fairy godmother thing is like, it's very much like, how can I honor the divine essence that I feel like we all, we each carry within us. And to me, feels like a fairy godmother.

Mina (36:25.229) Mm-hmm.

Mina (36:39.47) I'm so happy you could see that because that is something, okay, this is making me want to get back into more memes again because this is, yeah, I'm passionate about that topic of not getting stuck in a box and not doing things because this is what sounds most ethical or most something, whatever, like assigning that to spirituality, but doing it because.

because it's an expression of your essence of who you are, which is like, that's the most spiritual thing is to be whatever that is and play with it and experiment. Maybe today you feel grungy, maybe today you feel whimsical.

Sophie (37:19.362) It's fine. That's okay. I always feel like I am an entire unit. How am I supposed to niche that? It just doesn't fit me.

Mina (37:27.658) Yeah, Yeah. mean, is another thing that drives me crazy with like marketing, which is why I'm not good at it. I don't know. That's not true. No, I'm just kidding. I just mean that I don't. Yeah, I can't I can't pick it. I can't even pick a niche. just like me. I want to continue to evolve.

Sophie (37:45.473) I just can't.

Sophie (37:54.171) TOOLY

Mina (37:56.448) It's hard for me to commit to one thing and like, I know that I'm gonna wanna even take more trainings and not just do breath work and Reiki. I'm already like looking at more things to add on always, you know. So it's...

Sophie (38:13.256) that's so inspiring to listen to you and to like, because I can relate to this so much. Even with this podcast, like, you know, people tell you, yeah, you have to be very specific about your topic. But then I'm like, how can I? I want it to evolve constantly. want every season to be different because that's the only way it's going to truly depict life for me. Otherwise, I mean, not that I have anything against it. If you're like,

I know you can make a whole universe out of as much as a circle, you know? Like obviously I find it beautiful if people can narrow it down and like that they're happy about it, but don't do it because you're supposed to do it. I think that's the core thing of also what you just said. It's like stop following the dogmas and start creating your own rules.

Mina (39:06.346) Absolutely. And I think as soon as someone is telling me what I like, how to scale something or how to like grow it, like as soon as I try to subscribe to even a subtle amount of those rules, I like, it makes me stop creating altogether. It shuts down my whole essence of creative spirit. Yeah. So like, why? No, just to what you're called to do, I think. Yeah.

Sophie (39:33.546) And there is no rule at the end of the day, like...

Mina (39:37.1) I mean, I like sure there's tips of success, I don't, I can't be happy and follow any of these.

Sophie (39:44.992) Yeah, me either. I can relate to that so much.

Mina (39:48.192) And I also want to redefine what success even means. If I can just survive and have a little bit to be comfortable, that is enough. I don't need to scale. Yeah.

Sophie (39:50.979) in

Sophie (40:02.67) That's so interesting time-wise also because I spent a lot of time thinking about precisely that topic because sometimes it feels like what I want to do, especially when you're like, know, the world to you is so tender and you want to do something so you can leave it in a better place than you got here. Then you're like, oh, it needs to be really, really, really big so it reaches enough people.

But then the butterfly effect really teaches you like something as small as a butterfly wing can ripple in ways that sometimes are even way more meaningful. I spent so much time in the past few days thinking about what... So I always say to me, like, success is when people tell me that they saw a butterfly and they thought of me. That's what makes me the...

happiest, you know, that lights my heart up from the inside out. Nothing compares to this. No amount of money on my bank account would equate to that happiness. So for me, that is like success first and foremost. And obviously I don't want to have to constantly be worried whether my money is going to last me until the end of the month.

Mina (41:10.519) Hmm.

Mina (41:21.376) Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with that.

Sophie (41:24.718) Which is so normal, which is such a human, you know, and everyone should be in that position. Totally. But beyond that, like, I don't need huge amount of things or like, I like to live a light life. Like I like to like live, I want to live a life that feels good more than anything I don't really care about.

Mina (41:30.008) know.

Sophie (41:48.918) the aesthetics of it. think when I was younger, I always thought an aesthetic life makes for a good life. But now I understand it's like you created from the inside out.

Mina (41:59.596) Yeah, and it's sort of these markers of moments too when you can accumulate one little item. Like for me, my apartment's very bright. Me and my partner get all these really bright, whimsical looking things. And it's nice when you kind of actually do it slowly so you can remember the time that you got that out of vintage store upstate or like, I don't know. It's just like everything relates back to a moment.

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Sophie (42:29.582) The intentionality of things. Yeah, and I think that again translates back to the process of life as well, right? All these ideas of like scaling and like virality and like those things always imply you're behind and you have to do it really fast and those markers don't even mean anything.

Mina (42:53.08) They definitely do. And yeah, I've realized that forming connections with the people who are paying attention, who are interested, like people, you know, like you, like I noticed and I'm like, wait a minute, this is my type of person. like, yeah, fostering the connections that you have versus having all these like diluted half connections is more important.

Sophie (43:18.456) Truly.

Mina (43:19.712) noticing who is resonating with, who's vibing with it, who's saying the same thing in a different way. And like you said, think someone like you telling me that they connected with the fairies in my class more than other spaces, I'm like, that for me feels like a sign of success. Yeah, totally. Or like, yeah, people have told me that they got a message from one of their ancestors and that's never happened for them before. I'm like, wow, okay.

That's very cool.

Sophie (43:51.49) That is super cool.

Mina (43:54.006) Yeah, and you know, I feel like being in the flow of Reiki does help me get into flow state even when I feel small or feel really affected by the darkness in the world. Reiki does help me come back a bit. Reiki, I mean, and flow state. Reiki is flow state, basically. Reiki is like the sense of being in touch with your innate.

energy with the innate energy of nature.

Sophie (44:25.932) Yeah, I'm actually reiki-tuned as well. I did reiki one and two. I don't practice it really unless it's like a friend or... and on my cell phone.

Mina (44:27.758) cool.

I'm gonna... Dang.

Mina (44:36.66) Mm-hmm. You can just put it in your art.

Sophie (44:40.63) Yeah, no, think, I mean, also this space, I very much attuned this space and like every session that I have with the people that come in, of like, yeah, it like reinforces kind of this cuckoo.

Mina (44:52.888) It's infused.

Mina (44:57.71) Mm-hmm. Sing.

Sophie (45:00.226) that is here and I think there is a connection.

Mina (45:04.014) Absolutely. was, yeah, I was reading about it. I'm always reading more and you can be emitting reiki energy as someone who's aware of it at any time, even through your eyes, even can be seeping through your pores and anytime you're in a relaxed state. So essentially anytime you're in flow. I love that. Yeah.

Sophie (45:28.608) It's so interesting because Reiki for the longest time, I didn't really know what it was. Like I've heard it, but it didn't speak to me. then from one day to another. Yeah, it was actually in New York. came into, cause how I came to New York initially was, this is a funny story because it keeps coming up in all of the conversations. It's essentially my heartbreak. Cause I fell in love with a guy. It totally didn't work out.

Mina (45:37.506) Mm.

Mina (45:55.022) Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Sophie (45:58.478) but he was from here. And then I spent some more time in New York and I felt really, really down. I was really, really sad. And I was like, I need to do something. Like I'm so out of it and I feel so horrible. And I wanted to just help my body to process all of this in a way. And that's how I found my now Reiki teacher. She kind of also became like my spiritual mentor in a way, which I was.

Mina (46:18.668) Hmm.

Mina (46:22.594) Sophie (46:27.542) looking for and manifesting for a long time. It just goes to again. It's like something really heartbreaking and hard happens and so many beautiful things come out of it. I wouldn't miss, from the first moment, I remember sitting in my first class and I was just like, my God, this is it. This feeling of like I needed to be here.

Mina (46:53.528) Wow, so yeah, the darkness is necessary.

Sophie (46:57.536) It kind led up to this and I couldn't imagine my life without it anymore.

Mina (46:59.214) Yeah.

Mina (47:04.024) Or, yeah, I just think it's, I guess when I first started telling my story as a teacher, I was like, I used to be depressed and anxious and now I'm better. But it's like, no, it's just, you you're gonna keep going through these cycles, or life is cyclical. But now, you're like, okay, I've been here before and I know that it teaches me and it shows me something I would never find otherwise. So it's like, you come.

Sophie (47:18.574) of

Mina (47:32.14) back to go deeper and learn a little bit more than you would have before.

Sophie (47:38.574) For sure. That gives me a great segue because obviously I know you practice Reiki, you teach Reiki, you do breath work. And as you just said, you got into it. I'm sure there are circumstances that kind of led you on that path. And I was wondering whether you would like to share a little more how you got to that and how that came about.

Mina (48:02.734) Yeah, I had a lot of trauma growing up and I just didn't really know what to do with Like I had so much energy and I didn't really have direction and like a clear path. At 18, I feel like everyone's in the US is deciding what they want to do with their lives and I really had no clear vision. And like I just wasn't really taking to school. Like I was...

studying English, could potentially see myself as a writer, but my teachers are really uninspiring to me overall. And started getting more anxious having panic attacks in school and eventually kind of just burnt out too much, like to the point of nowhere where I like eventually really just couldn't even get myself to go back to school. And I just started.

Sophie (48:41.966) Bye.

Sophie (48:53.218) turn

Mina (49:00.91) slowly but surely accumulating more like spiritual kind of understanding through direct experience. My brother and I had like these psychedelic trips that were really cool. And he and I did yoga, started reading a lot. I started working at this yoga studio, just Iyengar yoga, which I don't even practice now, but one of my coworkers was a Reiki attuned.

Sophie (49:21.07) Thank

Mina (49:28.846) Practitioner, he gave me rapy. I was like, holy shit. Are you kidding me? Like a human being just emitted this energy? Like, it's so powerful. Like why is no one talking about this? This is like the key. Like this is it to me. It's just so soft and subtle and yummy, like dreamy. And I was like, what? How is no one? Yeah. So I just immediately wanted to learn it. And I didn't know what I was going to do with it at all.

But yeah, eventually that was in 2016 that I learned it. My spiritual path had many like twists and turns. At some point I kind of gave up on spirituality when I first, it was 2020 and I was like having this really bad revelation about the Kundalini community, which some people still practice Kundalini, but the Kundalini community, all the information about the founder and the initiative.

Sophie (50:27.992) energy.

Mina (50:28.462) of like the kind of cult itself, all the teachers involved. A lot of my teachers I had found out were essentially just liars or bad people or, you know, silencing victims. Sorry, very long, twisted story, but basically I started doubting spirituality as a whole. But Reggie like kept proving itself to me over time, like the test of time and no belief and really when I had

no sense of spurs orality anymore. It still stood the test of time and trial and tribulations. So like when I moved to New York, I started also getting panic attacks like after one year of New York, it was really like lovely. But then eventually like my anxiety came back wherever you go, there you are. So like came back and then I started doing Reiki on myself just intuitively out of nowhere, just started doing it on myself again.

resolves immediately like the panic and the anxiety I was feeling. And even I would go to parties and my hands would start getting really hot around certain people and I would suddenly get the urge to do Reiki on them and they would let me and it just came back around. just like, I love that. And in a really casual, unintended way, which is so beautiful and speaks to Reiki that you don't have to try. It just is part of you from the moment that you are active with Reiki, it will always.

like be with you and always come back when you need it. It's always there. So I think that made me believe in it. And even like, I don't know, it's stood many tests, many times that I've just felt depressed, anxious, like what does this all mean? What is the point? Was this any of this real? And it's like, yes, it is. Yeah. So I really love you.

Sophie (52:19.694) It's beautiful. mean, yeah, this whole work here, I mean, it all revolves around metamorphosis, but really because I think it applies to everything. And it just helps you to reframe sort of, yeah, this idea, you know, like being in crisis, being, and not in a way that I like, don't want to downplay it in any way or like, you know.

Mina (52:29.389) Yeah.

Mina (52:38.446) basis are being in.

Sophie (52:45.794) bypass the pain of it. Like this is real and it's that there is a lot of discomfort. But just to like not fall into despair and to kind of like always keep like a sense of agency for yourself in a way. And the butterfly is just so, so powerful. I feel like I'm channeling something. feel like it's when it entered my life, it was kind of telling me like lean on me and you'll be all right. And everyone around it, you know, everyone.

involved with it will be a right. And that's kind of like...

Mina (53:19.374) I've always loved the butterfly effect in butterflies and like I've, yeah, I resonate very deeply with the messaging of it. Everyone's happy when they see a butterfly.

Sophie (53:26.68) They're just so powerful and...

You know, that's just...

Mina (53:34.412) I think, yeah, I noticed that the other day. It's like, if like, no matter who is on, no matter who, every person becomes leveled out when they see a butterfly. Everyone's like, my God. Everyone's impressed. It's so sweet.

Sophie (53:45.464) Bob, look.

Sophie (53:50.03) They're really, really special. So that's why I love to talk about people, about their personal metamorphoses. There's always metamorphoses within metamorphoses.

Mina (54:01.383) It won't be the last time.

Sophie (54:03.694) No, it never is. But yeah, like, I mean, what you just shared, like, there are always, like, adversities and challenges, especially in the spiritual realm, where, yeah, ultimately, you never know whether you're doing it right. And there are people in it that do it for weird reasons and whatever their motives is. And it's like, it's, I've been realizing that, like, working in that field requires

a lot of personal grounding. I almost have this sense of like I have to consciously create my own little bubble. Not in the sense that I took to cut myself off from what is happening, but to just like ground myself and like my personal hygiene to like not go crazy. Yeah. Do feel like that as well?

Mina (54:52.654) Mm-hmm.

Mina (54:59.566) Virtual hygiene is definitely necessary in my opinion. Yeah, I'm really sensitive. like even in a non-traditional way, I definitely take on people's energies all the time. I use a lot of, I took a psychic healing training in 2018 that I use the tools all the time still, even though I like, don't want to read people, I use them for just.

Yeah, self-cleaning out. And I teach that to my Reiki students too, because like, I guess they say Reiki, you don't take on energy, but I think I'm just taking on energy no matter what. So yeah, like, there's these tools of like vacuuming yourself out. And I do that on people that I have sessions with. Like I teach them how to do that or do that on them as well. Just vacuuming them out and refilling them with light. there's a lot of like,

additional exercises that are a lot of them based with roses or like a protection rose or things like that. Having a shield or dumping everything out down a grounding board, refilling, claiming all your energy back. So I do a lot of that, but still even then also sometimes feel people's energy.

Sophie (56:06.06) sh****d.

Sophie (56:19.618) I know. I'm definitely very perceptive in that sense as well. And sometimes it can be. The older I grow, think the more I can kind of like not let the energy get as close so I can read it, but not penetrate. I think that for me was like a crazy learning, still is an ongoing. And it depends on like what the intensity of the energy is sometimes.

Sometimes a person's energy is so intense that it's just like, you know, I really feel like hit by a bus, which is crazy. And I, to this day, I don't really know how to handle that when that happens. I mean, I can like clear it out afterwards, but in the moment I could like, I could easily faint and it's just like pure willpower where I'm just like, no, I'm gonna, I can, I can. And I'm, very much learning to like let it come.

Mina (56:53.377) Yeah.

Mina (57:11.362) going.

Sophie (57:16.642) so I can like, you know, not, mean, I don't read everyone's energy, people that. Yeah. Which is a skill also, and it's beautiful. And it's like, I know I have a lot of like intuitive knowledge or sometimes like people tell me something and I can energetically read between the lines. Does that happen to you as well? yeah.

Mina (57:18.242) Mm-hmm.

Mina (57:23.82) just come slamming in.

Sophie (57:41.518) And then I can, I asked people, I'm like, do you mean this and this and this? And they're like, oh my God, I never was able to like formulate it like this. And that I love, but it really is a matter of like, don't let it penetrate your entire being. Or also like in the past, used to like, especially negative energy, I used to make so much like stories about myself.

Mina (57:50.359) Yeah.

Sophie (58:06.734) So this person would have this negative energy because of something I did. And then that would like completely destroy me. Whereas that had never anything like, the person's energy had never anything to do with me. But it definitely is like a learning curve.

Mina (58:24.812) Yeah, I mean, I definitely understand. And this is a reason that I do still like to party and stuff because I like to shut it all down sometimes.

You have to. Yeah. Wow. I don't really know anything that's going on with any of you and it's awesome. That's how you guys feel. Yeah. don't know. It's nice to get a little bit of a break sometimes. But yeah, I've heard that you can assign the job of a rose out in front of you to kind of like be your block. Like set the intention to only allow in.

Sophie (58:48.162) the time.

Mina (59:06.606) Energy that's aligned or like in your highest good and not allow like almost like a gate, you know, like Yeah Yeah, I mean you can visualize and set for sure engine before you insert spaces for sure and like yeah I mean sometimes I go into a space and I'm like, I don't want to stand here. I don't want to stand here either I want to stand here either And then like okay, I found my spot like everyone over on me feels good and

Sophie (59:13.454) Yeah, I'm that good at it, but yeah. That would be the idea.

Mina (59:35.871) A little too nitpicky, but yeah.

Sophie (59:39.675) I there are no rules.

Mina (59:42.51) Yeah. don't only hang out with spiritual or high vibration people. Some of my favorite people to be around are just extremely blunt and extremely themselves. Almost to a degree that you would be like, wow, it almost seems sometimes mean, but I know exactly how they feel. It's kind of refreshing to me.

Sophie (01:00:04.748) can, yeah, I resonate with that a lot. Like I love the people that are like just super straight forward themselves and they are edgy. Like they have a lot of people that kind of like can't deal with that. And I'm always like, why? This is the easiest. You always know where you're at. It's so comforting. It's also interesting. I mean, especially when you're very perceptive, like you can tell really easily

Mina (01:00:20.246) ever.

Sophie (01:00:33.954) whether someone can relate to what you're saying or not. Sometimes people look at you and you're like, uh-oh. Awesome. I lost them. And with you, it's like so comforting because I feel like everything I say is just like, again, that for me is like the fairy world. You're in this fairy realm and everything makes sense to you intuitively, which is such a, I love when that happens. Just the coolest feeling.

Mina (01:00:40.025) Have a

Mina (01:00:57.96) Yeah. Absolutely. It's its own language. There's non-verbal things being communicated too.

Sophie (01:01:05.496) For sure, for sure. So I always close this out with like a little experiment almost. Again, this is to be super easy for you. Some people have like a hard time to like really drop into. But essentially I've shared with you the idea of this project and you know that I'm trying to find out, you know, how we can connect to the future, which for me is always like also

Mina (01:01:19.662) their bodies.

Sophie (01:01:34.456) kind of related to the past. like in our modern day and age, we've kind of like lost a lot of things from the past, but it's not about like criticizing that in a moral way. I try not to be like, we're doing all things wrong and everything in the past was so good, but kind of like that idea of like romanticizing the past might actually be a memory from the future that we're actually.

like actively here to create where we integrate things that we've kind of lost in the past because historically speaking, there wasn't that moment where we were just great at communicating, for example, right? Like everyone is like, no, Nada, we have the phones. Like no one is able to have a conversation anymore. Sure. But again, like historically speaking, there wasn't that great moment where everybody was like so good.

And then it just died because of the phones. But rather there were aspects that we did differently that we can now reintegrate in a new way that kind of like points us towards the future rather than the past. And that's kind of like how I like to look at it. And as a former lawyer, I'm very interested in how a collective organizes itself and how we can evolve from current structures that don't feel

expensive enough anymore. So I want to conduct a it's like a thought feeling experiment. And what I want you to ask you is to really tune into the world, the state of the world right now. And again, not in like a moral way, not to accuse anything that is good or bad, but really just how it feels in your body.

Mina (01:03:23.178) and just say what I see or.

Sophie (01:03:25.698) Whatever comes through whatever.

Mina (01:03:28.78) The first thing that came up was just kind of like a really bristly sponge. you know, like it has the attachment of like the thing that you scrub really hard. Ooh, okay.

Sophie (01:03:39.384) Okay, yeah, yeah, That is so interesting. I can see it now,

Mina (01:03:46.188) Like when there's a lot of crime and switch. I like really, hmm.

Sophie (01:03:53.582) It's a little uncomfortable. Yeah, it has a little bit of a... Do you feel it in, do you have anything that you feel in your body, in your jaw, in your shoulder?

Mina (01:03:55.106) Very unfair.

Mina (01:04:03.63) I'm now feeling it in my shoulders. Yeah, like neck and shoulders. Maybe like belly.

Sophie (01:04:11.96) something.

So what I would like to do and the experimental part of it is if we were to apply the symbol of the butterfly and what I mean is like to really look at it like as a lens and to apply it in the way that we can say, okay, the current state of the collective and what you describe so vividly is just like scratchy, spongy thingy that's kind of like uncomfortable and like

Mina (01:04:16.45) I

Sophie (01:04:44.462) like some tenseness in your shoulders and your stomach as being in a, a chrysalis a state of disintegration, a state of reorganization. Assuming that, you know, if you think about the caterpillar, the caterpillar already contains the information of the butterfly. It's not a new creature. It, it dissolves entirely, but nothing gets added. Nothing gets taken out. And it.

It's the same creature. It's the same components. It's just reorganized. It's actually really interesting. The caterpillar contains, even biologically, like that's actually accurate what I'm saying. It's got these imaginal cells that get activated in the state of chrysalis that have the information how to build the butterfly together, which is really, really cool. So what I believe is that we...

also contain the information of the future in our bodies. mean, at the end of the day, I do too. I mean, at end of the day, you can even say like, it's all a concept anyways, and it's all happening at the same time, right? But we're not getting it. Just for the sake of making this a little not more complex than it already is. But I do believe that we we contain these informations, but not on a head based level, right?

The issue is always we try to envision it in our heads and then we get stuck because we're like, but that doesn't make sense. How do we get there? How do we do this? How can we change this? We're doomed. That's kind of where this stress comes about. So what I'm trying to do with all of this is obviously to drop into our bodies and to just ask our bodies instead. And obviously those answers are not as straightforward.

Mina (01:06:36.974) Hmm.

Sophie (01:06:41.866) as we would like, as our heads would like them to be. But it is always beautiful when it comes through. So what I want you to do, I want you to try to tune in to the state of the butterfly with your body. And without naming any outcomes or how that world would look like, because that's again, that's where we get stuck. But what would a butterfly stage of humanity feel like in your

Mina (01:06:44.782) Mm-hmm.

Sophie (01:07:12.142) How would you breathe, stand, or move in that

Mina (01:07:17.998) that initially comes up is feeling my shoulders like press back and heart open. Kind of like break, you know. I'm gonna be cheesy but breaking open. I mean, this isn't so much my body but I was almost seeing my like button of my pants breaking off into just like exhale like, yeah, like more full breath to the point that your pants.

break the button, you know.

Sophie (01:07:49.934) I love that. I love that visual.

Mina (01:07:52.726) Yeah, just this sense of openness and like non-restriction, non-constriction. Yeah.

Sophie (01:07:59.608) beautiful. It feels like what I'm getting from you is like this truly fully embodying your own body and like this sacred essence kind of like feeling that essence in every cell.

Mina (01:08:09.752) Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mina (01:08:19.63) Yeah, and not being contained. Yeah.

Sophie (01:08:22.126) Ah, beautiful. So what I want you to do, I these little star post-its. And what we do is kind of, want you to write down what you just said about the non-restriction, the openness, the heart, even the button of your pants, like all of this. And we're going to hang them above the flowers. They're dying, but.

They're still pretty because they represent the fairies for me. They're spirits, right? So we wish upon the fairies and the fairies are going to take the little pieces into the universe.

Mina (01:09:08.116) Heart open, unrestricted, fully expressed.

Sophie (01:09:13.066) I love that. Beautiful.

Sophie (01:09:24.855) If this episode stirred something in you, I'd love to hear about it. Send me a little whisper on Instagram at fairyt.podcast or just write the words fairy wings in my DMs. That's how I'll know you were here.

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