Metamorphosis with Tinne

What happens when we let all the different parts of ourselves belong?

In this episode, I’m making butterfly postcards with my guest Tinne as we talk about movement, friendship, travel, music, and the quiet ways people become part of our lives.

Tinne shares her path from Belgium to London to New York, and how each place shaped a different version of her. We talk about Pilates, club culture, ambition, community, sisters, chosen family, and the importance of celebrating people instead of comparing ourselves to them.

Together, we explore what it means to live a full, layered life; one where strength, softness, discipline, pleasure, freedom, and acceptance can all exist at once.

Highlights:

• How Sophie and Tinne met through Pilates.
• Tinne’s journey from Belgium to London to New York.
• Movement as a way to process and feel stronger.
• Club culture, music, travel, and social connection.
• Freedom, acceptance, and celebrating people as they are.

About guest:

Tinne Teugels is a strategist, entrepreneur, and Pilates instructor drawn to the intersections of curiosity, resilience, and reinvention.

Fairy Tea is produced by Six-Two Studio.

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Transcript

Sophie (00:00.322)
 The idea is to like share the energy that we create together also with the people that are out there. I believe energy travels in their own frequencies, and I believe that those things can be picked up. So definitely the podcast is a way of like sharing this with the outside world. And I think right now is kind of like I look at it as like a laboratory phase.

Right, you know, on a very small scale with people I trust try out different things because for as long as it only lives inside of me, it's very hard to like find out like does this actually make sense or not, you know? So I really needed this like safe space where I can like try different things out, but I really want this to become bigger and and create on like a bigger scale.

Because I believe it's important. I believe that co creation

I I think on a on a I I always look at like personal levels and collective levels, kinda like in the same way. If I tell myself I shouldn't do this, I must do that, you know, then it's like this like authoritarian voice inside of me that like means well for myself. But I kind of end up feeling bad about it. You know, I used to have a time where I was like, you shouldn't drink this much alcohol, but then I would still do it.

And I would self-deprecate. Until I found a loving way to integrate it, where I realized I actually don't need that. And that's just my personal sorry. It's not to moralize alcohol in any way. Like I believe every person has like their own relationship towards that. And I am not no one to say what's good and what's bad. But for me, I realized when I have the approach of like what's good for me and how can I treat myself with love, it was like, it's actually not.

Tinne (01:39.054)
 Yeah.

Sophie (02:06.774)
 Not something that I need on a very frequent basis. And so I think the same thing goes with the collective. If you look at the collective and we're constantly like, Turkey is bad, capitalism is bad. But then it continues. And so I believe we don't have to like it's not a loving way to interact with the collective. We're like, the collective sucks, we suck in a way.

Tinne (02:17.378)
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Sophie (02:35.766)
 And I believe co-creation and understanding co creation, what it means and what it how it feels if we learn this in a loving way, I think will automatically shift and change things.

Tinne (02:50.988)
 I do believe that I think you've described it very eloquent. Because I do, you know, it's very easy to say, I don't like this, I shouldn't do that, or I shouldn't do that. That's kind of maybe more being a harsher way in yourself. But if you kind of go on about and say, like, you know, as a society we always do this, we shouldn't do that. It's like yeah, but once up at a time, right? And I and I do very believe as we as individuals, as we contribute and make things happen together, I really do believe that brings

Sophie (02:53.983)
 Thank you.

Tinne (03:20.088)
 Huge change about absolutely.

Sophie (03:23.544)
 I feel like we know on a certain level that everything is connected in a way. But then also that's kind of like a scary thought because we're like, ugh, there's so much crazy, scary shit out there. I don't really I'm not sure but I want to be connected to this. But the more I learn about this and the more I integrate it, the more I realize that like connection actually kind of like stabilizes you.

And I think it's it's what hap like we know this with like friends, right? Mm-hmm. Where some relations just it clicks and then it feels good. But I think we can expand that beyond what we deem possible right now. Yeah.

Tinne (04:05.646)
 Yeah.

Sophie (04:08.044)
 Welcome to Fairy Tea, where we sip on the thorough wisdom of the fairy realm and uncover its ancient secrets for healing, pleasure, and rest. I'm your host Sophie, here to sprinkle a little enchantment into your everyday life. Think of this as one great unfolding experiment. An invitation to dance with magic, trust the unseen, and let curiosity lead the way.

Sophie (04:43.406)
 So welcome, Tinne So so happy to have you.

Tinne (04:45.742)
 Very kind of like almost honor that you asked me. So I think that was such a sweet thing to do. So I even remember the first time we came to class, which doesn't happen a lot. You I do. Last summer, yeah, I I remember. I remember the the first time she came to class and I vividly remember obviously at the time I didn't know what it was, but you always stood out to me and like I can't explain it.

Sophie (04:57.326)
 Do bless

Sophie (05:09.558)
 Can you tell me more? I want to hear more.

Tinne (05:11.552)
 Yeah, I think it's more the energy that you brought and you know, you you're very thoughtful. And so it's not like you stand out because you're loud and brash. Not that it was unnecessarily negative it's like, you know, I can be quite brash. But I I do remember you very vividly and I do remember like just in general, your energy standing out. And I think then, you know, like once you kind of

Sophie (05:15.992)
 Yeah.

Sophie (05:25.838)
 Everyone's different.

Tinne (05:39.348)
 started coming like when it was just like us one on one because other students didn't show up. And I was actually really nice 'cause I felt like I got to know you a bit better as well.

Sophie (05:48.194)
 Yeah. I love this. Okay. So typically what I do in the beginning is like obviously I want you in I want to introduce you to the podcast. But what how I do this, and this is so beautifully synchronistic, because what I do normally is I introduce people not in like the classic like metrics, they do this, they do that, that's what they you know, because I feel like that is just boring. So I explain how I how we got to know each other and

like introduce the people that are come here through the li relationship that we have, through the shared lore that we have. So you started this without even knowing that this great Yeah. I w I was like when you when you mentioned that, I was like

Tinne (06:34.134)
 Like no, I I really do remember. And it's I mean, yes you always remember faces and you for sure. But I think there are very few people that stand out purely because of the energy that they bring. And I felt you brought this like very quiet but very strong and at the same time very fascinating energy. I feel so and so yeah, I was I was really happy that we just kinda got to know each other better because also I think if

maybe if we would have stayed in the other studio and it would have remained like more machines and so therefore like it becomes harder as well. So in in a way, you know.

Sophie (07:10.574)
 Well we were we were lucky both. No, thank you so much. Yeah, I feel so honored for you sharing these words with me because it's also like what what is very evident for me, and I'm kind of like taking something earlier than than I than I would normally, but like you are so perceptive. You are incredibly perceptive.

Tinne (07:16.29)
 I know.

Sophie (07:39.598)
 Perceptive. And that is something that I, you and I, we don't know each other that well. but that's something that I've learned through the times that we that we got to see each other. So how we know each other is you are my Pilates teacher. And may I say my favorite Pilates teacher? Thank you. I really loved your

I think I remember even telling you the fur like I was super shy. So I remember the first class as well, by the way. you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course. So I wanna give you a little bit of a background story to this. because you remember I told you about this major heartbreak that I had, right? I do. The reason why I'm in New York, the reason why I got to know New York.

Tinne (08:17.6)
 Yeah, please.

Sophie (08:28.834)
 Which to me sounds so funny because now it's like the source of all of this, which is like the biggest blessing of you know my life. So who's to say this was bad? Really? I'm like, Thank you, universe. But I was with I was still with this guy. The first time I came in for the class, I was still with this guy. I was actually quote unquote living with him, but just for two weeks. But I was just with him and we kinda like the first couple of days were really nice, were really easy, and then it kinda got

Tinne (08:41.656)
 A

Sophie (08:57.602)
 You know when it gets like kinda uncomfortable between two people, but you don't really know why and you don't talk about it and it's just like you can like it's so pal like the energy is so palatably horrible, but both of you are chickens and it's just and you every time you try to say something, the other person makes you feel like you're crazy and seeing ghosts. But also I don't think that they meant bad in any way, but it was just like it it it it was a mismatch energetically.

Tinne (09:04.651)
 Yeah.

Sophie (09:27.436)
 And I had nowhere to go because I was staying again, I was staying at his place. Such a terrible feeling. And I didn't know anybody in New Nobody. So they I had no I couldn't call up anyone and be like, hey, can I stay at your place for a couple of hours? So the only thing that came to my mind, apart from, you know, go sit in the park for like two hours, but I think that wouldn't have like helped me. I was like, okay, I'm just gonna book a Psaldi's class. So

That's kinda like how and then I looked up like studios in the in in the neighborhood. Yeah. That's how I found it. And that's how I s so I was like shy. I was a little, you know, overwhelmed with my entire situation. And then I came in and I remembered the class that I did with you. And it was so good because it's like at the perfect intersection of like being very, you know, demanding.

Tinne (10:00.461)
 In the neighborhood.

Sophie (10:23.032)
 But not like sometimes I go to classes that are so demanding that I can't do the exercises anymore really. You know, I I I try to do the exercises, but like they're just like these shim rats and I don't have the same muscle as they do. And then it's it's kinda like disheartening because I'm like, well, even if I like even if I try my hardest, I can't properly you know, when you do the exercise, but like y you cannot fully, you know, if like the weight is too heavy.

Tinne (10:52.76)
 Very disheartening when you go to a class and you can't keep up. That would have to be like I feel like Yeah. No, because you know, like if I look at like, you know, I teach at one other studio, not as much. Yeah. But I sub in a I sup at another studio sometimes and honestly, if I see what people do in my classes and just the general capabilities that they bring versus some of the other studio, I mean it's day and night. So really strength. Yeah.

Sophie (10:56.01)
 Yeah. A very hot process it was like

Tinne (11:22.07)
 So don't don't try to underestimate yourself. Like yeah, it's

Sophie (11:26.164)
 No, I I do think I mean I've been doing Pilates for what, the four years maybe at this point. No, that's not true. Three years. So I do think I'm I have a relatively good level. Mm-hmm. But some classes, I don't know. They're just same and that was only in Switzerland with me. Where I was in classes where like I really don't I mean, obviously I'm only talking by parts, not the entire

Tinne (11:34.318)
 But still that's the time.

Tinne (11:45.165)
 Interesting.

Sophie (11:55.47)
 class. The entire class, but even those parts are kind of like, ugh, I don't like I didn't feel like going back. That's what I'm trying to say. And you like somehow and I've been to so many classes with you, you always hit the sweet spot. Like how do you do this? That's funny. You always hit the sweet spot.

Tinne (12:14.894)
 Well, I'm glad, you know, because I want I want people to one of the biggest things for me about teaching plot is it's because I started it for my own mental well being. And I love working out because it allows me to emotionally just like process everything. And so for me it's kind of an outlet. Everyone's different, you know. Some people drink, some people smoke. Sure. I love working out. and

one of the things that I want people to take away is is like they feel like they've achieved something. Mm and that is very personal, right? I think achievement is it's never the same. It's it's different, you know what it that means a different thing to different people. And so I want people I'm so happy that you feel empowered because I want people to come away and just feel even if it's just a touch stronger.

Sophie (12:59.476)
 Of course.

Tinne (13:11.554)
 Whether that's stronger mentally, whether that's stronger physically, you know, whatever. So I I just want people to have that sound very happy.

Sophie (13:18.606)
 No, you definitely you definitely do that. And I do believe I mean I guess it like goes hand in hand. I'm I'm I'm I've never been more consistent with my exercise like I am here. But obviously I also do because I genuinely just like, you know, have c classes with you. Yeah. And I like to see them.

Tinne (13:38.838)
 That's also a big part of it, right? Because I generally do believe that there are, you know, that not every teacher is for everyone. And I think that's totally fine. We all have the people that we prefer and a variety of reasons. And I think personalities are, you know, and just maybe i if that's better you relate to someone better or just because the energy is there.

Sophie (13:45.646)
 True.

Sophie (13:49.262)
 Yeah. Absolutely.

Sophie (14:00.46)
 I agree. I agree. And I think you're touching on something very important. That is to say if you go to a studio and you don't feel comfortable, you don't necessarily have to make a lot of stories around it about yourself or the other person, but just like go out and try out different places and then find the space where you just like you know, where you kinda like drop in, you're like, this feels like home. And that's how I feel about this studio.

Tinne (14:24.876)
 That's fine. And to your point, yeah, you just need to do what feels good to you and nothing more to it. If you don't like something.

Sophie (14:28.312)
 Sure.

Exactly. They probably don't hate you. They just, you know.

Tinne (14:35.576)
 For someone I think who can at times take things very personal, that's one thing that I actually surprisingly, and I'm still surprised myself with that, that I actually do not take personal.

Sophie (14:47.788)
 Really? No. The a workout environment you mean?

Tinne (14:52.268)
 As in like if when someone says like, I I don't like Tinne's Clark Yeah, that is one thing that I actually don't you know, obviously I would have loved for them to like it, of course. That's just human nature. But am I is that something that I take deeply personal and that I carry with me and I'm super worried it.

Sophie (14:55.886)
 okay.

Sophie (15:11.659)
 that I think that's very good. No that would be so difficult if you were.

Tinne (15:15.51)
 Which actually my day to day role I do do. really? Yes. So that's that's why with something like this n

Sophie (15:24.066)
 Why w why would you think you do it in your day to day and not with the Pilates?

Tinne (15:30.542)
 I think it's also it's a it's a different, maybe I don't know if it's a different energy, different environment. I also think that as an the individual on an individual level, there is much more to prove. I think it's also a very different environment. does that mean that I'm more secure or more confident in what I do at Plaza than my day-to-day? No, I'm not actually.

but this particular I don't have a I d I do think and maybe that's maybe that's the reason, I do think that people are more more grateful. Okay. But in a nice

Sophie (16:03.981)
 Yeah.

Sophie (16:16.192)
 Yeah. It's more immediate like the

Tinne (16:19.074)
 People are grateful in the sense that they appreciate more appreciative. I think appreciative is is the word. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sophie (16:26.84)
 But yeah, going back to that first class.

Tinne (16:28.748)
 Yeah. It's so f interesting, isn't it, how we both kind of like felt that energy.

Sophie (16:34.606)
 Totally. And I was just gonna say, like, I was so impressed by your your way of teaching and you have like a very I was a little bit intimidated. I was like, she's so cool. And I'm just No, you are so like you're s you have such a powerful aura. And you were just there like commanding your classes. And I was just as frazzled

Tinne (17:04.482)
 You didn't come across as fragile. More introverted, but I can also imagine that, you know, if you're new to a studio how I feel like that's how that works.

Sophie (17:06.094)
 That's how I felt.

Sophie (17:12.136)
 Exactly. I was that's something. No, I was totally shy. I was like, I I'm in New York City.

Tinne (17:21.194)
 Funny, I didn't see you as shy, I saw I'm just so you're a little bit more introvert. Not shy.

Sophie (17:24.493)
 Yeah. Checks. But yeah, I was like, my god, like I hope she doesn't hate me. And then I remember telling you I was like

Tinne (17:34.478)
 I can't think of a I think no, I don't I don't really hate anyone, so No.

Sophie (17:39.642)
 no, now I I now I know that. Now I know that. But but back then I was like and then I I remember telling you, you know, and I get really, really nervous when I talk to people that I kinda like, you know, admire from afar. No, no, no, no, no, of course. and I was like getting so nervous. I was like, I wanted to like tell you that I really like the class. And I remember I I I then like I completely collapsed inside of me and then like I you know, when you just like babble weird stuff.

Tinne (17:52.75)
 And then

Sophie (18:09.314)
 that comes out of your mouth and you're like, where is this like where is the self-authorized version of myself? This is like complete like this is not me at all, but somehow it it you know, I have to come to terms that this is me when I'm nervous.

Tinne (18:22.388)
 So happy you shared it with me. I think you're you I actually see you as someone who's very powerful and you bring such like like such a lovely like energy. Like, you know, I've seen like you've connected with everyone in the studio. And I love that. And these are all people that perhaps, you know, are very different to you and I, but we, you know, I mean you came to my birthday, you know, like so many different people with different backgrounds, different interests, and somehow we all

connect and I think that is such a nice yeah. Such a nice thing.

Sophie (18:55.862)
 It's my favorite thing to do. It's like getting to know people and learning about their thoughts and their perspectives really is always a win for me.

Tinne (19:06.328)
 yeah, I agree. I feel that's a win for everyone. I think I think, you know, everyone and in including yourself, I think you bring so much and to be honest, that is all I would ask for from

Sophie (19:19.798)
 anyone. Yeah. So yeah, I I remember I like tried to tell you that I like the class and I remember I was like, you know, it was like I I think I was kind of like alluding to something similar that I said earlier about like you hitting the sweet spot, but I said it in such a timid way that I walked out and I was like, my God, what did I say? So but that was that and that was like last July. And then I came back and

Tinne (19:48.126)
 Because she has been coming for a while.

Sophie (19:50.134)
 Yeah, I c I came in between yeah, I can't remember that. I remember so well. I'm so flattered.

Tinne (19:52.238)
 Yeah, actually remember.

Tinne (19:57.806)
 Some things I remember and then some things not. So yeah. I can be sometimes aren't always that good, but I try. I d I I try. I really do try to bring my best self class. Like well

Sophie (20:08.654)
 I feel like you do that. It's very, very obvious to me. Like you're so you're so mindful with your classes always. And they're always like, that's what I love about Pilates also. It's like I I'm I'm such an ADHD girl and I like get bored so really.

Tinne (20:27.342)
 But like you don't show that at all.

Sophie (20:29.838)
 So I'm not hyper, you know, but like my brain, like if you if you'd watch me do like a process of work, yeah. You'd go like it's that shit crazy. 'Cause I start something, then I switch out to something else, and I switch over to something else, and I switch over to something else, and then I kinda like come back to the first one, but then I switch out to like it's a it's a Yeah, eventually I do. Hopefully. Okay. But I'm always scared around.

Tinne (20:50.264)
 But do you finish things eventually?

Tinne (20:55.564)
 No, but that's okay. I have I have this theory and I I'm not very eloquent at expressing it, but it's like around randomness. Mm-hmm. And I feel ultimately for me, randomness always comes back to the purpose and what it's meant to be. And and I and I do think that a lot of randomness actually yeah, it it can create good ideas. And I also feel like everyone everyone's brain, you know, is so different.

Sophie (21:23.534)
 Absolutely.

Tinne (21:25.32)
 I don't listen. It's not like, you know, brains aren't like well, maybe that's not the right way of saying it, that I wanted to use the word circular. I don't know if that's the right way, but

Sophie (21:34.082)
 Hm. Yeah, but I know what you're trying you're like every brain is like wired uniquely. Yeah. Yeah.

Tinne (21:40.118)
 Yeah. My brain definitely isn't the way I think and

Sophie (21:44.59)
 I mean, that's where we are. Like then I I I came for a couple more classes. And like you said, we had like we I I think I did like one or two like classes that I was just end up being like a private class because no one else came for the class, which is my favorite thing to happen. Cause it's like I pay for a regular class. And then you get but then I get a private class.

Tinne (22:01.464)
 Yeah.

Sophie (22:10.668)
 Which is like so much attention and I like attention. You know.

Tinne (22:15.266)
 Which is okay. We all I feel like every healthy and I think that's totally

Sophie (22:17.506)
 But yeah. And then we started talking and and it was so I really loved sharing with you and like hearing about your life. I want to get to this in a little bit as well. But just I want you to know how much it meant to me also. Like you being so interested and and like I said, like I n I can tell that you're as you're such a perceptive person.

And you like really look at people for what they are and like try to understand them in their wholeness. I could even tell when you were talking about your dog, right? You were like, you know, my dog when she's at the vet, like she's like you were saying that she's like, she always seems happy, so you have to be extra receptive to understand whether she's just happy f because she doesn't want you to be upset.

Tinne (22:55.7)
 Mm-hmm.

Tinne (23:09.346)
 Yeah.

Sophie (23:16.534)
 Or whether she's actually happy. And that is just such a beautiful trait. I hope you know that. That like like it's it it's so obvious to me that like you like really look behind the surface level. I try to.

Tinne (23:18.04)
 Yeah.

Tinne (23:32.166)
 Yeah. Like yeah, no, I think it's this is very important, right? And I'm always the best at it, not necessarily.

Sophie (23:39.246)
 Who is? The intention is.

Tinne (23:42.816)
 Yeah, no, definitely. I definitely try to see the best in people.

Sophie (23:48.862)
 You do.

Tinne (23:50.806)
 So yeah, I think that's important too. It's so easy to just like, you know, slam things and like, you know,

Sophie (23:57.482)
 No, and I and I loved how like how organically we kind of became friends, you know? Yeah, right. None of us like how to force anything, but it's like that's so true. Yeah. It just naturally evolved.

Tinne (24:10.082)
 very, very true. And that's the nice part about it as well, right? So

Sophie (24:14.734)
 Truly. And then you invited me to your birthday. I was like, my God, I'm a local. I got invited to his birthday. I was so excited.

Tinne (24:21.888)
 I was so excited that you came as well. So nice. Not so nice. Like, you know, I really wanted you to be there. Like 'cause then I thought like I know I I really like this person and that, you know, like even outside Pilates I can see her being a friend and like, you know, becoming a good friend. So like I was like, no, I would love for her to

Sophie (24:24.81)
 Of course, of course. I was so happy.

Sophie (24:44.364)
 I'm so happy. No, I'm I'm gonna be I'm gonna be very, very honest with you. Like you said, I'm very op like I connect to people easily. Like this is f I'm just a social butterfly, really. Let's be let's let's name it.

Tinne (24:56.59)
 I love that. I love how like even at my birthday you were just like I think there were a couple of people there from Pilates but I think you were the only one, which I absolutely loved, that was that you were like mingling with my friends. As in like the like people that I know not that the other people are my friends, should rephrase that, as in like people that just Yeah. Yeah, you know, that you know, that say like, you know, or that we're just chatting to people. Yeah. So I love the fact the fact that you were mixing with people and just like really

Sophie (25:14.296)
 They didn't know before.

Sophie (25:19.822)
 Yeah.

Tinne (25:26.538)
 I really like that.

Sophie (25:28.268)
 You're one of the few people since I moved to New York that I consider to potentially be like a really, really good friend.

Tinne (25:39.254)
 Yeah, no, and same here for that matter. And it actually makes me really happy. And I think, you know, for all that's going on right now, I think that Pilates has brought a lot of good things. Mm. And so that's actually really nice. And, you know, I think in a way very fortunate as well. So yeah, I don't know.

Sophie (25:59.022)
 So glad. Because okay, so I know a lot. You you've shared a little bit about your life. And like I'm I'm just so impressed about I mean, you when you came here, you mentioned that you did fashion school for a year. Yeah. You did so many things. I know you lived in New York. I New York, what am I saying? I know you lived in London. You're originally from Belgium. I mean, I do this crazy life.

At a time where we're so mobile. I'm not saying that this, but you did it like you're a little bit older than me. You did it in another time. And you're just, I'm I'm just so fascinated by your life story. There's so much, there's so much depth and and beauty and story in there. Like I would love for you to like, you know, I'm always so curious how certain things come to like.

You know, what are w what made you move to London?

Tinne (27:02.232)
 So, you know, when I told you earlier on that, you know, kind of I believe in the whole idea of randomness, I do have a whole random things. I remember, which is not the full story, but part of the story is I think I would have loved to also study in UK. I was I was like, you know, I'd love to go to Oxford or Cambridge. But at the time, like all the cycles were so off. And it also just like it

Sophie (27:08.31)
 Whole bunch of

Tinne (27:32.04)
 just at the time it just was not that easy to do it either. So of course. So there were a lot of things that were just not lining up. Very practical things actually more than anything. And so and then I remember meeting someone in the UK and I thought like, well, you know, maybe I can just get a job in London. And I remember I remember even like I was supposed to do an internship in London, but unfortunately I didn't work out. So I thought like, I'll just start applying.

And then I remember I graduated, I had a very, very short stint in Belgium working. Like when people ask me what is it like, I have to say I don't know because I've never really worked in Belgium. Or not like at that level anyway. Mm-hmm. I held many random jobs I've worked. Just to add to this story, sorry, s short sideway. Please. I worked at British American Tobacco. I originally worked in a fab yeah. I did that.

Sophie (28:12.479)
 I see.

Tinne (28:30.034)
 literally like doing quality checks on cigarettes. And the one thing I don't do is I don't smoke. I've never smoked. To be honest, I don't really like cigarettes. I don't mind people smoking, but I just don't like it for myself. And so I did that. I worked at the Fishmonger. I've done so many different little jobs. And then so when I finally graduated, I was like, okay, I want to go working on it. And I just applied. And then I got the job. And it was so funny, like, 'cause they

I remember the air hostess came to look for me. She like, you you miss two girls? I'm like, Yes. She goes, You're wrong, you're supposed to be in first. I'm like, and so literally the company flew me over in first. Just kind of I had just finished my masters. Like I had nothing behind me. But yeah, it was nice. And then yeah, I I literally I applied in August and in January I was living in London.

Sophie (29:03.382)
 I mean

Sophie (29:11.741)
 my god.

I love that. I love that.

Tinne (29:29.416)
 And I did that for six years and I really loved it. And I do think you know, I had such a beautiful time in London. I was very fortunate that I ended up because I didn't know anyone in London, so didn't know anyone and because of that I was very fortunate that I ended up in a company with absolute beautiful souls.

And to date they are some of my best friends and you know, worked with them. It was just really, really nice. And then somehow through work I ended up in New York. And although now I love, love New York and I wouldn't wanna have it any other way, I also at the time I was so focused on London.

Sophie (30:17.006)
 Mm. you didn't you initially didn't want to come here?

Tinne (30:20.248)
 Yeah. No, I just was gonna come here for a year or two years. And then the first year I was working way too hard. And I kind of realized you know, need to take a step back because all my friends here are my clients and that's not normal or cool. Maybe it's not normal, but it's just not the cool thing. And so it's like I wanted to do something different and then yeah, two years it's gonna be twenty years this year. So still here, still loving it.

And it's nicer like how my life in New York has evolved as well and, you know, definitely ups and downs. So I've seen the both sides, you know, I've like had tremendous success, you know, not s not so so good times either. And it's you know, it's you learn a lot. I can tell you that.

Sophie (31:04.942)
 It I I mean I'm only like two months in and I I think it's

Tinne (31:10.254)
 Yeah. You learn

Sophie (31:12.78)
 Yeah, it's a crazy city. Yeah. It's an intense energy. It's

Tinne (31:15.982)
 It's very intense, but I love but it's also like very purposeful. Yeah. I love the, you know, I love eclecticness and it New York is so eclectic. And I'm definitely I don't stay within, you know, I know there's sometimes I do think that New York is not as integrated as London and people call me crazy when I say that. I do think that sometimes London is not as not as segregated. Maybe segregated is too strong of a word.

I felt that they're in I feel that, you know, people's cultural backgrounds merged more in London than it does here in New York. So like here people sometimes stay in their own communities. not that that doesn't happen in London, but it's i I do think here it's a bit more common. But I've I've always kind of like I have such different friends from everywhere, different background, different ethnicities. And and I love that. You know, I wouldn't want it any other way.

Sophie (31:57.758)
 Okay.

Sophie (32:16.13)
 No, I saw that on your birthday and I think that's a great quality in in in people when you, you know, at the end of the day it's the rainbow that makes it juicy. Right. And and just like I don't know, I I personally love to get to know people from different places, different backgrounds. And it's just like it always enriches my life, like in a way that like I don't know, it's not even you cannot really like

explain it in words properly, but it's just such a blessing when you can see that and not just stay within your lane because at some point and no, nothing wrong with that either, right? Like everybody should do what feels right. But my horizon has been expanded over and over.

Tinne (33:01.302)
 No, true.

Tinne (33:06.55)
 And I think that's a nice part, you know, like I think expanding your horizon is so important. Yeah.

Sophie (33:13.354)
 No, absolutely, I agree.

Tinne (33:15.276)
 Yeah, I've met like even you know, like I've met so many people, like even in different states. And I actually in contrast to some you know, maybe people that you know, here in New York, I actually love going to to different parts of the States 'cause I find it ver as a as a non American I find that very fascinating, you know. So I and I feel like we can always learn.

Sophie (33:39.316)
 Absolutely. Is it always super comfortable? No. Maybe sometimes it's uncomfortable.

Tinne (33:45.652)
 Yeah, and I think more than uncomfortable, sometimes just straight and sometimes I just strange. I sometimes I just feel sad. Because I think, you know, if you had the opportunity to travel and see and do some of the things that I was able to do, then, you know, I think in a way, you know, that would open your world. And I do think, you know, that would, you know, travelling is so important to one's perception.

Sophie (33:51.362)
 People

Tinne (34:13.738)
 And you know, perception, being open to new things and yeah, I I think not just the states, I think it would, you know, make the world v a very different place.

Sophie (34:24.68)
 I agree. And and and I also think like different parts of the world bring in different versions of you. And like I mean, you y I I was a different person prior to my traveling experience. Like before when I was just living in Switzerland, I mean I was open and everything, but like in theory, in practice not so much.

Tinne (34:46.91)
 think at the core you would change as a person. So I think you have that in you. That I don't think

Sophie (34:52.054)
 A lot like my my my friends and my family can attest to this. Like I 'cause cause you're thrown out and you're thrown into the cold water and you just kinda like have to swim. And that like does something to you. Like it it you know, you're like

Tinne (35:04.258)
 Mm-hmm.

Tinne (35:10.798)
 And New York and it's really the case, 'cause like in New York, you know, New York is not an easy city, you know, by no means. And, you know, the I mean, and it's also not for everyone. You know. And that's fine too.

Sophie (35:22.562)
 Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. Privileges in a way, obviously. Like, do you have the privilege to like

Tinne (35:32.034)
 Yeah, because to a certain degree it is a privilege.

Sophie (35:34.25)
 Of course. But then also I know like there are a lot of people that theoretically have the privilege, but maybe don't really see that they have the option or don't consider it as an option. And I mean, that is fine too, like to each their own, but I just I don't know. I I I find it so fierce that you just kinda like set out and we're like, you know, I'm gonna make this work.

Tinne (36:02.476)
 Yeah, but I think that's also the person that I like I'm just you know, like

Sophie (36:08.065)
 It it it's

Tinne (36:09.272)
 So funny. And I think it's had reactions two ways. I think it's had reactions like you, you're very positive towards it. And you say, like, you know, I admire that. I think it's a you know, it's a strength. And then I've had people who kind of burgudgingly said, like, yeah, you're a go-getter. But they kind of made it try to sound good, but it wasn't good. And or like they and and I'm like, you know, everyone's different, right?

Sophie (36:34.542)
 I can see that. by the way, it happens to me too.

Tinne (36:38.23)
 Yeah. Yeah.

Sophie (36:39.791)
 One hundred percent. I have people that are very drawn to my energy.

Tinne (36:44.162)
 I love that energy, like honestly. But I also think, you know, like I this goes maybe also to the point if someone does well, I celebrate that. I think that's the most beautiful thing. And I don't understand people that get envious and that can't even say, congrats and then genuinely be happy about it. I'm like, no. Like, why wouldn't you? It's a big world. There's opportunity for everyone.

Sophie (36:53.57)
 Same.

Sophie (37:06.115)
 I know.

Sophie (37:09.686)
 Absolutely. And

Tinne (37:12.042)
 suck maybe, you know, like not that someone else is doing well and you know, but it might suck that maybe you wanna be there or you're not quite there. But that doesn't mean that you need to be mean to people. You know, and

Sophie (37:24.02)
 No, I yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I think that's such a you know, it's all like scarcity mindset.

Tinne (37:32.588)
 Maybe that's it is it is a scarcity mindset. I'm not always very eloquent in those kind of terms, but you're right. It is kind of like

Sophie (37:38.53)
 I I think you express yourself very on point.

Tinne (37:42.22)
 I would like to see more of that. I really want to see people celebrate more people.

Sophie (37:46.158)
 Same. And it's just it's it's so funny. So I always like talk about my sister and I, because my sister is my best friend. Like my sister is everything to me. But my sister and I were truly like opposites. Not we don't even look alike. Like my sister, like I used to jokingly but really meanly tell her when she was a child that she was adopted.

Because she really doesn't I look much more like my parents than she does. Really? Yeah. And and I took like I kept like she would say, like, no, that's not true. And I kept telling her, You're adopted, you're adopted until she started crying. yes. So mean. she she's she's a little mean. She's she's literally and I I cannot emphasize this enough, she's the best human being in this world. I wouldn't ideally No, I

Tinne (38:16.374)
 So we

Tinne (38:39.04)
 Yeah.

Sophie (38:42.424)
 I not only love her, I admire her from the bottom of my heart. I think she's the fiercest, coolest. You know, my my sister is smarter if not no, is as smart if not smarter than I am. But she I'm like the I make a big fuzz about everything. I'm like, you know, I have the big theories and I have to always be like so profound and like talk about like life and what it does. My sister.

has the exact same findings, but she just doesn't make a fuss about it. You know, she's just like, she's so she's so grounded. She's so down to earth. She's just like, yeah, of course you have to listen to your own heart. You know? And I'm like, you know, and I have this theory and you know, at the end of the day, caring for yourself is caring for for everybody. And I need this like whole framework to like legitimize my own life in a way. Yeah.

But I also love it, obviously. But like my sister doesn't do that at all. And she like I said, she works in tech. She's like she she does corporate. She's like, she's very we have no common interests except for food. Like we like to eat well, both of us. But that's if we meet, we eat together. Like that's our thing. We

Tinne (40:00.526)
 So you have food in common. Yeah, we have food. I think that's a big thing.

Sophie (40:03.256)
 Which, you know, we celebrate happily. Food and Love is Blind. We watch Love is Blind and then we talk about who like which couples we like and which couples we don't. That's our thing. but what I

Tinne (40:15.086)
 The last one yet. I've been told that I have to watch it. I hear yeah.

Sophie (40:18.008)
 What to hear it sounds so when we were younger we f we fall so much.

Tinne (40:25.134)
 So like honestly everything you're telling sounds so much like my sister.

Sophie (40:28.808)
 Really? Yeah, I didn't hear about that. But like we fought so much, so much because we obviously like we took the other person as an offense to ourselves because we're like, well, if she doesn't like what I do, she's gonna hate my me as a person. And it it took us years and years and years. And I think, yeah, by the time we turn eighteen to around our twenties, but throughout our our our twenties, we kinda like learned that

We can actually coexist. Like she doesn't have to be like me and I don't have to be like her. And that gave us so much freedom. that more than that is like my sister lives this very stable life. You know, she has a house, she has a car, she has a partner in forever, she's pregnant now. I don't know whether she lets me share this on the podcast or have to cut this out, but for now we're gonna let it in. so she lives this very like

Tinne (41:04.94)
 So nice. I like that.

Sophie (41:27.246)
 quote unquote orthodox life, which is I'm not too like I'm not but I love that she does this. I love her life. I love that she's so well taken care of. Like I close. I love her partner to death. Like sh he

Tinne (41:43.114)
 That's important to you. Can you imagine that, you know, someone who's that important to you, which does happen by the way, it does.

Sophie (41:48.574)
 all the night. No, I'm s I feel so blessed. Like like he is so good for her and I genuinely love him so much and he's so sweet with me. So it's like, you know, I I got the whole package in that regard.

Tinne (42:01.07)
 Which is really nice. I like that. Again, it's not a given.

Sophie (42:03.134)
 And it's true. And my sister and I we really live vicariously through one another.

Tinne (42:11.438)
 Okay. Well which is nice too.

Sophie (42:13.278)
 I whenever I like yearn for like a stable, organized life, I just call my sister and I hear about everything that she does and I hear about her life and I let her like I celebrate her her victories with her and it's so wonderful. But I don't need to live that life myself. Okay. And vice versa.

Tinne (42:36.838)
 But it's nice that you respect it for your sister though, because I feel like that's ultimately the only thing that you can do. But yet so many and it's such an easy thing to do, just be but yet so many people don't do that. And I think that is such a shame. I feel like you're missing

Sophie (42:45.141)
 Happy no.

Sophie (42:51.192)
 I agree and that's what I'm trying to say is like you can actually live vicariously through the people that you are envious of or, you know, feel like they're so different to you. Because if you if you can like bridge that 'cause 'cause what happens is like you you create this boundary between you and this person, right? Mm-hmm. And you can actually bridge that boundary because you don't have to be like that's the beauty of every person being different. Like

Tinne (43:19.958)
 Acceptance to a certain degree as well, isn't it?

Sophie (43:22.606)
 Totally. And then when you start celebrating that person, it actually like accumulates love for you too. You know? That's so true. It's and and and that I think is like a magical

Tinne (43:35.31)
 It's I wish like more people would do that. I think it really I genuinely do believe it would make

Sophie (43:40.076)
 It's a difference. I know. I know. But you know, this is a podcast about metamorphosis. So we're talking a lot about like, you know, different stages of life and like the butterfly effect. And I mean so much of this is also like a test it's a testament to the butterfly effect. But I also believe that ideas like this they ripple out. Yeah. And that's a butterfly effect in and of itself. But yeah, like I

Tinne (44:05.378)
 Great.

Sophie (44:09.206)
 I talk a lot about because metamorphosis to me is so special because it's like I'm really in the process of understanding time more as a continuum. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. Like I feel like we're always we're always in a continuum. Like the present, the past, and the present and the future, those are not separate things. They're all one and the same in a way. They're they're so connected and

Tinne (44:35.017)
 Yeah.

Sophie (44:39.266)
 That's why I love to talk about metamorphosis, because metamorphosis is just such a beautiful metaphor for this continuum. You know, the caterpillar becomes the chrysalis becomes the butterfly. And that's why I'm so so curious also about, you know, moments in in people's lives that that kind of like seemingly were unspectacular, but then kind of like shifted.

their trajectory entirely. I think I remember correctly that you were like, especially in London, like also the club scene and like the music's

Tinne (45:19.242)
 No, I think Yeah, no, it's like I think like even like you know, like even living in Belgium I was always such a big club kid, which is so funny. Because people like don't necessarily, you know, like n I mean, I think it was also I mean I still am, but I don't act on it as as much anymore as I used to do. But it's like so strange because people were thinking like, Yeah, but you you teach platters and you love CrossFit and all those things. I'm like, Yeah, why can't those two go together? you know? It's like

Sophie (45:45.942)
 It's beautiful. I love it. I

Tinne (45:48.514)
 And like, yeah, and I have like so many yeah, I have so many fond memories of that to be honest. I loved it. I I yeah, I have if I think back on my club days, like especially in Belgium and then in London, 'cause I I didn't really have when my university is, although they were happy university years, they weren't like necessarily I didn't necessarily have that community that people typically build during university years, but I had that afterwards when I moved to London. And so

I guess yeah, that's when I feel like I just how to say it, I kind of like hit like like yeah, I just I was so lucky with meeting the right people and, you know, entrenching myself in UK life and definitely if I think of it like, you know, you touch on like, you know, like beating yourself up when you drink too much or people comment on it commenting on it. And obviously I remember when I lived in London and I was like, I was in my early twenties.

definitely adopted the the culture there and so definitely was drinking a lot. As one does in London, yeah. And I definitely was like, you know, in theme with this. I was absolutely a social butterfly. And I think one of the things that I loved most is that I would have these every so many months, I would have this like this little parties at my house, but it was always on a Sunday on a usually on a Sunday afternoon. And then I would make a ton of food.

Sophie (46:50.722)
 Sure. As one does.

Tinne (47:16.33)
 And yeah, people would just come over and you know, as the years progress, people would be like, how how do we know each other? yeah, we met at Tinne's party. And and even now, like I have one of my first co-workers now lives next to a friend who I met at a gym in London. And they bought a house next to each other. And they then they didn't obviously when they bought the house, they didn't know each other.

But then they met at a party, completely different circumstances, you know, one work, one like yeah, from from a gym. And then they met and they're still good friends and I love that.

Sophie (47:58.89)
 You were a bit of a legend. I can that makes so much sense. That checks.

Tinne (48:01.752)
 Maybe longer than I mean. Yeah.

fully. Yeah, that was like I feel like a little bit less in New York because I feel like New York was more about progressing professionally. And I think, you know, the rea the reality is that, you know, you might argue that it shouldn't have to be that way. But I think to a certain degree it does take away a little bit from that. You know, and not necessarily you you gain other things. It's not bad. But it's just like yeah, e again it's it's just something new and and I embraced it and, you know

Sophie (48:26.798)
 Phase.

Tinne (48:33.12)
 one of the good things that came out of me starting my own company was like I realized that I couldn't be going out all the time anymore. Sure. Because I was like, I need to get up early. Yeah. And, you know, I had clients in Eastern Europe. So that's an even bigger time difference than just the UK. Mm-hmm. and then sometimes I had clients in Silicon Valley. But like so it's like, no, I need to be sharp and you know, this is, you know, I need to take this serious. And so that's how I got into CrossFit.

Because I I couldn't, yeah, I couldn't really go out. Well, that was one of the reasons. And there were other reasons too, but that was definitely one bigger reason why, you know, I was like, yeah, I have to turn myself into a morning person because naturally I am an evening, I'm a night owl by default. So I was like, I need to turn myself into a morning person. How can I do this? And then so every morning at seven or seven thirty, I would go to CrossFit.

Sophie (49:02.946)
 Wanted to ask you that.

Sophie (49:21.08)
 Ten makes

Tinne (49:31.502)
 And especially in the beginning, I was so tired indeed. Bed by ten o'clock, which is like I was just knocked out. I just could not like even yeah, I I couldn't I couldn't do anything else. I was just I was like that was absolutely it. But I made great friends, you know, even at my birthday party I still had a few people there from CrossFit. It's funny because now they were asking do you want to do Hyrux with us? yeah.

Sorry. As much as I love it, and I think it's a great thing. I think, you know, I still love my strength training. I still love, you know, Olympic weightlifting. But I I don't think high works is necessarily where I want to be. I don't even know what that is. I'm gonna get a lot of people on this podcast now against me if I don't explain this properly. But it's

Sophie (50:13.866)
 What is that?

Sophie (50:21.642)
 So worry. I think my listeners are very loving.

Tinne (50:24.81)
 So but it's it's just a combination of a set of workouts. So there is definitely there's running. it's like a metabolic conditioning, really. So there's a lot of running, some weightlifting. But I think the nice part about it is and that's also what I loved about CrossFit, it's very community driven. And the fact that you get to do it in pairs or in groups is actually very uplifting. So yeah, let's see. Yeah.

Sophie (50:43.95)
 Mm.

Sophie (50:51.0)
 Sounds cool. So would you say that like it seems like music, like especially in your early years, music was like this outlet for you or like this balance to your like professional life? And then later on it became more like sport, like exercise. Okay.

Tinne (51:09.856)
 It's a bit of both. like I still love music, but I also, you know, like I I don't know how that goes for you, but I feel like so much of the things that you grow up with you take for granted and for granted in like in in a not in a bad way. You just like, you know. And so actually I actually come from a very musical family. yeah. so my mom is a music teacher. I just find no one in my family likes sports other than maybe tennis.

Sophie (51:29.752)
 You do. Tell me more.

Tinne (51:40.75)
 And so so yes, I I come from a very musical family. So like yes, as I said, sorry, my need to get my train of thought there. But like my mom's a music teacher, my grandmother was an opera singer, and but my mum is also someone like she played the violin exceptionally well. She I don't even know which instrument she doesn't play.

And then I have an uncle, I don't even know what the word in English is, but he travels all around the world and then he he now I think part he partially lives in Russia where he does some music school stuff. So yeah, maybe that's why, you know, growing up I remember thinking, This is this is dating me now. But I was always a huge fan of the monkey. And I remember just like even like probably being s like even like n was maybe

three years old or something and watching re like how did you say that? Like when they show it again? Like it wasn't replaying? Yeah. Like when you like the BBC would like constantly replay it and like yeah.

Sophie (52:47.49)
 Wait, I thought you were you're not talking about the Arctic monkeys, right? No. You're talking about the I don't know. I don't know the monkeys. Yeah, I was like I know this and now I'm like no I'm getting my

Tinne (52:52.843)
 This is like

Tinne (52:58.602)
 no, I know the Arctic monkeys too, which I do love too. That's another thing. I'm very like, although I'm much so much of a club kid, I actually love like I've had my goth period when I was sixteen. I definitely had that. I still love rock. I still love like, you know, acoustic music. Yeah, I am like so for me, you know, it's it's more about the atmosphere. I love like the whole tiny desk series. I don't know if you ever watched those. Yeah.

A huge fan. so yeah, I think music's always been central. and I think for me certain workouts, I don't like everything, but like just was kind of like a cherry on top.

Sophie (53:41.138)
 Mm. Mm-hmm. So interesting. Do you have yeah, I mean you you you alluded a little bit on that, that like your family was very musical, but did like any was there any like do you say catalyzer? Yeah. that's what I meant. No, for like yeah, for like going out or like y you know, that introduced you to the to like clubbing.

Tinne (53:57.004)
 As in like a catalyst?

Tinne (54:07.532)
 No, I think it was like it's a good question. And I I think it's more like I I definitely was a social butterfly and I just loved being out and I loved dancing. Mm. That was one of my things. I absolutely loved dancing. Yeah. But any kind of music. Okay. But like I just loved dancing in general. But then yeah, like the whole clubbing scene and it was like

Sophie (54:10.028)
 It's a very

Sophie (54:25.55)
 Electronic music? Okay.

Tinne (54:35.094)
 It was so cool. It was like really underground, really cool. Like I feel like probably only Europe can do. yeah.

Sophie (54:43.566)
 I I I agree, I agree, I agree. But even like Americans agree, honestly.

Tinne (54:49.772)
 I think it's just, you know, I feel like one of like, you know, you know, just like the US has has things that I think are some you know, like are better than their own country has, you know. So like each you know, each country or region has

Sophie (54:58.511)
 yeah, one hundred.

Sophie (55:03.232)
 They're absolutely yeah, as human beings as well, right?

Tinne (55:07.49)
 And I've but I feel like, you know, like is especially, you know, countries you know, like Germany and and the Netherlands and Belgium. And people don't know this, but Belgium is really huge collapse.

Sophie (55:18.619)
 yeah, I have a lot I have a couple of friends that like are big into DJing and they always have like cool gigs in in Brussels.

Tinne (55:26.634)
 Yeah. There's just like so much going on. And it was just very it was just really, really cool scene and you know, I love dancing and I once remember I was asked if I wanted to dance, like be like a dancer in the club. Yeah. I didn't do it, but I did I was asked and I did I kind of played with the idea button, you know.

Sophie (55:46.979)
 I kinda wanna see you dance.

Tinne (55:49.23)
 so yeah, so I I kind of loved it. And it was also kind of where, you know, my fashion world merged, you know, although I did start obviously clubbing a little earlier, but then when I went to fashion school, I guess where kind of like all the cool kids would hang out as well. So it was very much a convergence of a world. And yeah, it was just it was fun and yeah, it was fun. It was fairly innocent to be honest. People always like have the craziest ideas.

Sophie (56:19.018)
 Mm, so interesting. I love that. I love

Tinne (56:21.638)
 And it honestly, it was it was fair I I barely drank. I didn't do drugs. And I just had so much energy. And I literally would be out till like six, seven in the morning. I mean I remember my apparently my mom told me this. I never knew this, but my apparently my friends would tell would tell my mom, like, my god, we all wanna go home and she just wants to stay out.

Sophie (56:47.822)
 I love them. This is so interesting because, well, first off, you and I have a lot in common. I mean I think the more you talk, the more I'm like, I know I like her. But I loved going out when I was younger. Interestingly enough, not I absolutely didn't care about the music. very For me, it was like the thrill of getting into places I wasn't supposed to get in.

Tinne (56:55.115)
 So actually.

Tinne (57:08.14)
 That's fine too.

Tinne (57:14.254)
 Well, that's always fun, isn't it? So were you good at getting into it? So good at it. I w I love that. That is so fun, isn't it?

Sophie (57:21.742)
 I miss that. I wanna I miss that. I want to be able to go to clubs and like I'm not like I'm too young for them and I I somehow managed to get in. That was just it was dopamine.

Tinne (57:34.314)
 I love that. I love that so much. Like

Sophie (57:38.74)
 It isn't it the coolest and it's just so b you always think like when you're so young you you think you really want to become eighteen and like it'll make make your life so much easier, but it takes away from you so much to send a I started crazy young. I started really? Yeah, I was so drawn to that space of

Tinne (57:58.17)
 It's interesting 'cause I didn't but that's also because my parents were really strict and I was not like I couldn't really go out until I was eighteen. But then when I was allowed, I would go all out as well. Yeah.

Sophie (58:08.302)
 No, my I mean my parents tried to be strict. I just I'm I I was very, very hard to tame. And I made them lies and I'm

Tinne (58:18.03)
 Make it sound like parent like I was like, but I'm sure that my parents would have their own view of that too. Okay.

Sophie (58:23.16)
 Who knows? I mean they all do. But like I started when I was I think like s like dipping my feet in when I was fourteen and then like progressively fourteen, fifteen, six like at sixteen, I would go out every Thursday, Friday, Saturday until six AM.

Tinne (58:33.23)
 I love that.

Tinne (58:40.93)
 Wow. No, like I did go out when I was like sixteen, seventeen, eighteen of course. But when I was sixteen I hadn't be home by like wow. Which for me was a nightmare because I didn't want to be home. And I was always home late.

Sophie (58:49.901)
 I

Sophie (58:54.776)
 I would have that that would have been the case for me too. However, I moved out when I was sixteen.

Tinne (58:59.896)
 wow. My cudders for you, girl.

Sophie (59:02.592)
 Yeah, it's it's a bit of a long story. Also not like wouldn't call it well, yeah, it's partially also a sad story. I think my my parents and I, we had like a lot of I loved them so dearly. I know they loved me more than anything, but we had a lot of misunderstandings when I grew up. A lot of like lack of communication that led to a lot of hardship anyways. I moved out when I was sixteen and then I just like, yeah, partying was my life. And

Tinne (59:19.63)
 Fair enough.

Sophie (59:30.23)
 It was just for me was this social aspect of like mingling and I would just be this like I don't know whether you can relate to this, but at parties I would like I would go with a person, but I always made sure that I go with a person who knows other people too. Because I was just like circulating. Like I would just float through the entire space and talk to everyone and that was like my thing. And I loved it when when they knew me, when the bartender knew me. Like

Tinne (59:58.422)
 Of course, who doesn't love that? All these stuff like that. I mean that's a bonus, right?

Sophie (01:00:03.704)
 Truly. It was so important to me. But I feel like I kinda like just you know, at some point, especially at once I turned eighteen, it wasn't that spectacular anymore. And like again, I didn't really care about the music. It was more about the social aspect of it. But for me it was also very innocent. And I only got in touch with like drugs way later, like when my mid twenties. And I never really took it.

Sophie (01:00:33.74)
 Yeah, same. And then I was like, Well, I tried everything once or like you know, or twice or whatever, but like nothing ever like stuck with me except for like psychedelics, I really like say I'm not even sure whether I'm allowed to like talk about this on the pocket. We'll figure out.

Tinne (01:00:44.845)
 Yeah.

Tinne (01:00:49.518)
 Yeah, figure it again, figure it out. I mean, yeah.

Sophie (01:00:51.736)
 But it's so interesting that you said that for you it was a very innocent experience. And it was like and I and for me too. And I think for a lot of people, you know, when they talk about the club scene, they're like, no, it's all like all fucked up and full of drugs. And there is a ton of that, but it's so like because it was innocent for you, you had this innocent experience because it was innocent for me.

Tinne (01:01:09.432)
 There is a top

Sophie (01:01:19.626)
 I had this innocent experience. So, like, everyone has their own experience of what, you know, that scene quote unquote.

Tinne (01:01:28.526)
 Absolutely. And that but that's how experiences are. It just shows you how how individual experiences.

Sophie (01:01:35.776)
 It's so interesting though, isn't it? I think it's

Tinne (01:01:38.798)
 Me too. No, I I find that it's so funny 'cause I remember like, you know, so much grief, you know, from people that would say, like, yeah, but you know, you go clubbing and like what do you allow your daughter to do? And and in the meantime, you know, like kids would be up to so much worse. I'm thinking about my poor parents here who got so much grief because, you know, I would go to a club that was literally in the middle of a red light district and you know

That's you know, that's where all the best clubs were and it was the middle of the Red Light District and yeah, there was a lot of nudity and whatever. I mean I feel so bad for my poor parents 'cause they really got

Sophie (01:02:14.602)
 Sure. Sure.

I know. Yeah, same. Actually, same. There is a part of me, I mean, I don't have a partner and it's not like in my near future to have children, but there's a part of me that's like, maybe I'm not gonna have children because of the things that I did when I was this young. Well, I think not not this like I everything again, like I had a very innocent experience and throughout I never made any bad experiences, but I definitely took some risks.

Tinne (01:02:49.4)
 Yeah, that's probably true.

Sophie (01:02:50.882)
 Where that like the things could have like I feel like I was totally protected and I think I was. You know. Yeah. But you know, I I remember going home to certain people that I didn't know anything about them. Not something that I w want for my daughter.

Tinne (01:03:06.734)
 Circumstances where afterwards I found out through my sister that my parents were super worried. Exactly. Absolutely. No doubt about that.

Sophie (01:03:14.68)
 Then again, yeah, I I I I felt like I was protected. I I felt like I was protected when I was traveling through Latin America and I think those

Tinne (01:03:23.936)
 Yeah yeah, cool to see for that because I mean it's I mean in I mean like I feel like New York is safe, London safe. But yeah, Latin America, especially single woman, that's a little different, right? Okay, tell me, I wanna hear

Sophie (01:03:34.518)
 Still I have a theory. sure and like statistically speaking it's less safe, obviously. But like you know what I find so interesting is like when you're in the country in general, I feel like people in Europe are much more fearful overall.

Tinne (01:03:58.964)
 Yeah, but yeah, that is

Sophie (01:04:01.362)
 Then and and that doesn't make any sense. Statistically speaking, they should have less fear overall. But what I find when it comes to Latin America, people out of a an a necessity really, people rely much more or are much more in touch with their instincts, I guess, with their intuition. Mm-hmm. Because they have to.

Tinne (01:04:28.654)
 Yeah, it's an entirely different world, isn't it?

Sophie (01:04:30.542)
 It's an entirely different world. And I I found it so fascinating. And I feel like through spending a lot of time there, I kinda like those countries they taught me. And I'm int eternally grateful to those countries, to the people that took me in, to like

Tinne (01:04:47.758)
 That's so nice, isn't it? When you travel and you meet good people. Yeah. Like there's I feel like there's almost nothing better than that. It is so nice.

Sophie (01:04:53.344)
 No, there isn't. And it's so interesting that like, you know, you you walk past so many people all the time, always, and you don't connect and then with some people you randomly interact somewhere and they they remain in your life forever. And you you have ne no way of knowing which is which, right? And and that's kind of like the magic of life also in a way, if you will.

Tinne (01:05:14.274)
 Yeah.

Tinne (01:05:20.086)
 No, it's very true. I remember I I I I desperately want to spend so much more time in Latin America 'cause I've only been to well, it's not even Latin America. I've only been to Tuluma, Mexico City.

Sophie (01:05:32.61)
 But it is Latin Latin America's all the places that speak Spanish.

Tinne (01:05:36.206)
 To be honest, Tuluma I wasn't so fond of because for me it was too much of a New York experience. I I loved Mexico's. Yeah. I absolutely and so I want to do more, but I also want to go beyond the capital. But I do funny story, because I went with my boyfriend at the time we went to Mexico City. And we were in a neighborhood and he was getting so anxious. And he was like, No, we need to leave. There's just too many people around, they're all checking you out. We we need to leave. And I felt so safe. I was.

Sophie (01:05:41.198)
 Mm, yeah, I can see that.

Tinne (01:06:03.788)
 And I honestly I did. I was like, no. Like honestly, I'm fine. I I I I felt completely fine. And I do think there is I think you need to be mindful, but I think you need to be mindful wherever you travel. Absolutely. And I think you just need to be mindful wherever you travel.

Sophie (01:06:08.502)
 I love that. And it just I

Sophie (01:06:21.43)
 Absolutely. Being in touch with your senses in a way is so important. And like I think his experience, you know, was his experience and your experience was your experience and both can be true at the same time. That is true. But yeah, so it and again, another like similarity that we have 'cause Mexico City is one of my favorite cities in the world. It's so beautiful.

Tinne (01:06:34.025)
 Is very true.

Tinne (01:06:42.528)
 And I remember I wanted to go as a sixteen year old. I was even younger than that because my cousin, she's a translator. She does English, Spanish, Dutch. And so she lived in Mexico City like in the eighties. Mm-hmm. Eighties, early nineties. So it was definitely a

Sophie (01:07:00.152)
 Yeah, no, one hundred percent.

Tinne (01:07:02.796)
 And I remember I always wanted to go. and that's you know, obviously at that time it was like over my dead body. like or my mum's dead body. But I remember I always wanted to go. And then I when I finally went, I was like just so happy. And I would go back any day.

Sophie (01:07:19.2)
 Isn't that so fascinating that you're kinda drawn to certain places in the world? I think that's so special.

Tinne (01:07:23.318)
 It is, isn't it? Yeah.

is 'cause I haven't been able to travel as much the last two years, two, three years. And that's definitely one thing that I missed. But you know, it's also nice to just like one of the things that I'm very grateful is like just meeting all the people, different people, different backgrounds and it's very fascinating. You learn a lot about people as well. Yeah, for sure. That's all that's been

Sophie (01:07:49.804)
 Yeah.

Tinne (01:07:51.97)
 has been very eye opening in good and maybe like more disappointing ways. I wouldn't say bad ways, just like more disappointing ways. No, as you I feel like, you know, sometimes, you know, I think like sometimes when life takes a downturn, you know, it's like people say like, you get to know your friends. And unfortunately that is very but I think, you know, for like you know, for like perhaps the people that kind of have maybe in its evolution too, you know, as people kind of evolve out your life, you meet other people.

Sophie (01:07:58.648)
 More disappointingly.

Sophie (01:08:08.61)
 Very true. Sure.

Sophie (01:08:20.854)
 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Tinne (01:08:22.845)
 And I think that's really nice too.

Sophie (01:08:25.814)
 Yeah, no, I agree. Some people stay for lifetime and other people stay for yeah. A phase and both of those That's true.

Tinne (01:08:34.977)
 I don't know, how do you feel like so? Because you still seem to have a lot of like really good friends at home in Switzerland, which I think is so nice. I feel like like I've evolved out of my friends in Belgium. Like it's maybe it's also because, you know, as you know, as you age and you know you know, you get older and, you know, people become even more set in their ways. And I think to the point where you talk about how people are just more fearful. Like Belgium is such a small country. And

You know, I laugh about it because, you know, I once remember telling my mom that I was driving to Vermont and we were gonna go all the way to Stowe, which from New York is like, you know, it's a decent seven hour drive. Sure. I remember my mom being so concerned. Super concerned because it's such a long drive and like but just to your point, like about how small a countries and how it really does dictate how you think and act. Like in Belgium if you have to drive for more than half an hour, that's a consideration.

Sophie (01:09:18.785)
 So

Sophie (01:09:33.453)
 Yeah, in Swissland as

Tinne (01:09:34.636)
 And if you have to drive more than an hour, like we're gonna have to plan this. But it translates in every aspect of life. No. That's how funny like

Sophie (01:09:39.064)
 I used to I used to

Sophie (01:09:44.024)
 Same, same, absolute same thing in Switzerland. I mean, I used to I grow I grew up in Basel and I then third biggest city in the country. But then I moved to Zurich and Zurich is an hour train ride away. Like it's a comfortable one hour train ride. You don't have to switch trains. There were a few friends of mine that were like very accustomed to doing this.

Tinne (01:09:50.883)
 yeah, which is you know

Tinne (01:10:08.813)
 Yeah.

Sophie (01:10:09.504)
 And th those those were perfectly fine, but there were others that just never, ever, ever even considered. Or like even my parents, I think my I think my mom my mom is more flexible in that sense, but like my dad only ever like I lived there for over a year and he only came visit me I think maybe once or twice. So it's really not it's it's not a very common thing to like take those distances and here it's like to travel an hour to to a location is just the most normal thing.

Tinne (01:10:26.242)
 Ready?

Tinne (01:10:39.343)
 yeah. And then you go to places like Texas where

Sophie (01:10:41.752)
 Like, yeah, I mean whole different ballgame. Yeah.

Tinne (01:10:44.748)
 Exactly. So it's it's it's interesting, isn't it?

Sophie (01:10:47.232)
 Interesting, but it does something. I I do believe that y what you're saying is like or what I'm hearing is like it does do something to your to your mindset and how you kinda like perceive I don't know, spaciousness or

Tinne (01:11:03.182)
 It's like about how you think about things. And I do think, you know, like you know, because you know, if you have like if you think that anything more than thirty minutes is far, that also that means that the immediacy, everything that you have around you becomes so much smaller as well. So the unknown is a lot bigger. Yeah. The sense of like wanting control is a lot bigger. I mean that's not the right way.

Sophie (01:11:24.568)
 to say no I no, that was perfect. I think that that was very I would say almost like union of you.

Tinne (01:11:31.973)
 but yeah.

Sophie (01:11:34.7)
 No, I agree. And I think the same thing is happening in Switzerland as well. And and to your to your question about my friends, I think I was very worried when I started traveling. I wouldn't tell anyone because I mean, where's the point? But I didn't know

Tinne (01:11:48.908)
 What's the point? 'Cause I feel like the people at home are worried about you.

Sophie (01:11:52.33)
 No, for sure. But like I I didn't want to be like, hey, I'm so worried that we're not gonna be friends anymore because at the end of it, like y you know, you cannot really force those things. So I just kept to myself. But I was very worried whether our friendships would survive. And, you know, surviving is one thing, but would they thrive? Yeah. And I was gone for over a year. I was gone for a year and three months. And I came back and I

I cannot emphasize this enough. I was so incredibly lucky with my friend, like with my close friends. Each and every one of them was just like, like the first time I stepped into wherever a person was, it was like as if no time had.

Tinne (01:12:30.091)
 That's really nice.

Tinne (01:12:41.378)
 That is so wonderful.

Sophie (01:12:43.532)
 And like all of them are so supportive and

Tinne (01:12:47.886)
 That's amazing. I love that.

Sophie (01:12:50.294)
 And you know, don't don't ask me what's gonna happen in twenty years. It's only been one year and a little or like two years at this point that I'm traveling.

Tinne (01:12:57.922)
 I feel like even after two years you would know.

Sophie (01:13:00.78)
 I I hope so. I really hope so because I also feel incredibly lucky with the friends that I have. Yeah. and and they've known me for a long time. And I think they can also, you know, they see the crazy change that kinda like came through traveling. And again, I don't take it for granted at all that they support me so much in this and they're like on board with with all of that. So I was I was not

Tinne (01:13:19.297)
 Yeah.

Sophie (01:13:30.742)
 I didn't know whether we would last, but so far it looks good and I'm positive that Yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm very lucky.

Tinne (01:13:37.122)
 be for you. Yeah, I think, you know, like if I probably would like I think if if I could change one thing, it's probably like, you know, because for me the focus has it's also because something, you know, I would because I was I felt like I was so lucky to be able to go abroad and and thrive and, you know, really do well from a personal and in a career perspective. And and then, you know, while I'm very

proud to where I got, of course. Sometimes I do wish, you know, I d I feel I do sacrifice things in return for that. and in hindsight, would I do things differently? I don't know. But I definitely wonder sometimes, you know. Because, you know, like relationships work both ways. And I think I'm also being a little hard on myself right now because because I do feel like I did make an effort. But, you know, that's just, you know, I did hear that from a lot of people though, that sometimes

Sophie (01:14:27.615)
 Right.

Tinne (01:14:36.142)
 That's what happens, you know, like when you when you move yeah, yeah, it's just change.

Sophie (01:14:41.942)
 It's I I definitely think and I mean it's a different time also in terms of like digital tools that you have. I def you know, I like video call, I you know

Tinne (01:14:52.726)
 Really good point. I hadn't thought of that. That's actually true.

Sophie (01:14:55.072)
 Yeah, I think communication has become a lot easier and you feel more close to like the world feels smaller nowadays, I feel like, than it used.

Tinne (01:15:06.222)
 Yeah, that's definitely 'cause I remember when I moved to the UK and and especially when I moved to the US, things were still very differently, whereas I feel like now it's pretty much all the same. Kind of sad at the same time because I remember after after COVID when I went back to London, I just noticed all these American chains. And I was like and I didn't like that.

Sophie (01:15:14.431)
 Exactly. I mean,

Sophie (01:15:23.904)
 Yeah, I know. No, they're definitely there's always it goes both ways, you know. You win some, you lose some. That's just always the case, I guess. I mean, thank you for sharing all of this with me and for being here and for creating with me and and you know, it's so interesting to me because again, I like I like tell told my mom today, it was like I invite people in and the everyone that leaves is like, This is so special and this is so meaningful.

Tinne (01:15:33.494)
 Yeah.

Tinne (01:15:51.586)
 Yes.

Sophie (01:15:52.376)
 But then I think all I do is like I provide watercolors and you know, I talk to people and I'm like

Tinne (01:15:58.324)
 It's very chaotic. I think you can do more than that.

Sophie (01:16:01.154)
 Thank you. And I and I and I it it is very important to me and I like, you know, I want to hold this space and I want for people to feel welcome and relaxed. And it's like obviously there is there is a lot of work went into this, but at the same time there's also a simplicity to it, you know.

Tinne (01:16:16.468)
 Yeah.

But sometimes the sim the most simp well, the most simple things are the best things but they're also the hardest things sometimes.

Sophie (01:16:26.81)
 Like that and that's that's a beautiful pointed out like paradox that we that is always a play in a way. But yeah, thank you so much. I feel like you know, we touched on so many things. I I genuinely like I'm so in awe with, you know, all the different aspects that you that you kind of like combine over your life. Like to me, that is so that is so special when a when a person does this, when they're not like, I want to be in this.

drawer and this drawer, but kinda like bring all these things together and I'm not afraid of that because I think, for example, I nowadays I'm like very happy to like combine, you know, I'm I'm I like fashion, I like arts, aesthetics are very important to me. But I am also very, very much into spirituality and for a very long time I was like, can't how can those two things go together?

Tinne (01:17:21.9)
 Right.

Sophie (01:17:22.854)
 And it's so it's so important to like if you have if those things are alive to you, like that you bridge them and you did this, you know, you bridged so many different things. Are and you still do. You didn't neglect any of those parts. You weren't like, now my this new version of mine does only this and not this, but you can like I feel like you the way you talk, it sounds to me like you always had this like very subtle like equilibrium for yourself, or you kinda like, you know.

implemented things and and and and kinda like created this unique bouquet of

Tinne (01:17:56.766)
 To try to like, you know, merge as much as I can, you know. I feel like that's that's a richness in someone's life.

Sophie (01:18:02.816)
 Absolutely. So yeah, okay. But a lot of like, you know, butterfly effects that kinda let you hear that you're I mean, here literally to this space and

Tinne (01:18:14.296)
 Thank you so much for letting me craft with you. I love it.

Sophie (01:18:17.454)
 To kind of close this off, I wanted to do like a little feeling thought experiment with you. I do this with everyone. So I shared with you that I that the idea of this project is kind of like that. I'm trying to find out whether we can connect in a way with the future, but not on a

on a mind basis because if we try to make like if we're, you know, for like we look into the fusion that we're like, yeah, but how are we supposed to get there? And then we get all blocked in our in our in our minds, right? So it's more like the idea is like to connect like on a body level. Mm-hmm. Because our bodies are much more potent in that way. Yeah. And, you know, especially

Tinne (01:19:04.782)
 Well our bodies are strong, ain't that? Yeah.

Sophie (01:19:09.878)
 As a former lawyer, I'm very interested in how a collective organizes itself and how we, you know, can evolve or like our understanding of it. Similarly, if you think about the caterpillar, you know, it it's obvious that the caterpillar already contains the information of the butterfly. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's like it goes into the crystal state and this is actually backed by science and not just

woo woo talking here. The caterpillar contains like imaginal cells. They're called imaginal cells, which I think is really cool. Okay. And then through the state of the chrysalis, when the butterfly goes into this like mush soup, those cells are being activated and they contain like the blueprint of the butterfly. And then like all those mushy things kind of reintegrate and become the butterfly. Crazy cool. And I think the same thing applies to the collective. Mm-hmm.

So what I want to do? I want to are you ready?

Tinne (01:20:12.606)
 Yeah, I think so. It's just like a rocket fire kind of thing.

Sophie (01:20:16.01)
 No, it's it's it's more like a it's almost like a meditative state, but like a very quick one. But like if you think of a medi meditation, but just like if you were to like tune in to the current state of the collective. Mm-hmm. Just with your body, see how that feels to you and what comes up for you. Mm-hmm. What do you feel? What what what does your body tell you? Do you feel it? Where do you feel it?

How do you feel it? What

Tinne (01:20:47.596)
 I kind of right now feel it like I don't know what it's called just above my stomach. Yeah. And I think it's more like for me, I feel like I'm really going through something at the moment and I'm kind of excited, but at the same time a little anxious as well. Because I feel like, you know, for me the time has come, but I also know you can't force things. So I'm excited but a little anxious at the same time because I really want to kind of come out and become that beautiful bl butterfly.

Sophie (01:20:52.546)
 The solar plexus.

Sophie (01:21:17.174)
 You you described that so poetically, like this state of like like different forces kind of like pulling at the same time and being like, is this gonna work? Is this gonna are we gonna bring this together? So the experimental part is I think that as I said, the butterfly translates to the collective in the sense that yes, we live in very tumultuous times.

Interesting times, one could say. Similarly to what you just expri described, right? Like a lot of like different forces pulling. You don't really know where to look, you don't really know whether this is all gonna fall apart or whether we're gonna get somewhere. Like it's it's very out in the open. And I do believe that we're an essay of chrysalis in that sense. And it's very hard to sit in that face because again, we're soup. You know, the butterfly literally becomes like a a

he disintegrates. The butterfly completely disintegrates and then from there kinda like puts itself back together. Yeah. Okay. And so that obviously, like you said, it's like this anxiousness, like this is this is very normal because it's like it you don't see what's forming. Mm-hmm. So assuming that, like I said, the butterfli the caterpillar already contains information, I believe that we also contain

Tinne (01:22:20.782)
 Okay.

Sophie (01:22:43.22)
 information of the future. Because the butterfly knows the information on a cellular level, right? It's imaginable cells. And if you think that the butterf or the caterpillar is the whole collective, we are the cells. And not one cell contains all the information, but the different cells together contain the information. We need to bring those fragments together. And what I'm doing here

Those to me are visual fragments of a collective, of a butterfly collective. Our conversation is a is an an audio fragment of, you know, what is possible. So what I want you to do, I want you to tune in again into your body and then tune in to a butterfly state of the collective. Try to connect and

Don't try to like, you know, in your mind find how we get there 'cause that's kinda like where we get stuck. But try to just in your body, how would this butterfly state feel?

Tinne (01:23:54.286)
 I think you feel like freedom.

Sophie (01:23:55.679)
 mmm. Can you locate that in your body? I can.

Tinne (01:24:01.208)
 Yeah. It actually kind of like it's all over actually. Yeah. It's a tingling. It's not just like in one place. I think it's yeah. I feel like that's something that I can truly feel everywhere.

Sophie (01:24:04.02)
 It is? It is. Like a tingling?

Sophie (01:24:14.72)
 I love that. I love that it's like going through your entire body. Well, so as a final step, what I want to show, huh, you can see those little starts. yeah. So the the idea is that we have the flowers. The flowers are they represent the fairies for me because they're spirits. You know, I talk to my flowers and I give them I give them kisses.

Tinne (01:24:27.118)
 Hmm.

Tinne (01:24:40.706)
 The plants.

Sophie (01:24:43.454)
 And we make wishes upon the fairies. And the fairies take them to the universe or to the source and we kinda collectively manifest the butterfly state of the world. I definitely love freedom. We need freedom.

Tinne (01:25:00.33)
 Yeah. it's interesting how I see it on there a couple of times.

Sophie (01:25:04.45)
 Yeah. I think we need a you know, yeah that wish needs to be reinforced.

Tinne (01:25:11.17)
 Yeah, and freedom, you know, in whatever that means to any Maybe freedom, maybe I wanna write one more.

Sophie (01:25:14.254)
 Absolutely.

Sophie (01:25:20.942)
 you were to think of your ideal world. You know? Like how would people read

Tinne (01:25:25.462)
 I think, you know, if I think of the world, I think of acceptance is

Sophie (01:25:34.946)
 Definitely think we need more of that towards ourselves and

Tinne (01:25:39.242)
 And yeah, and amongst each other. Yeah, exactly. In on an individual and on a collective. for sure. And I'm gonna say stars.

Sophie (01:25:43.637)
 Apps level.

Sophie (01:25:48.748)
 Just like yeah, I love stars. So yeah. Thank you so so much for coming and sharing and and being part of this and your energy is gonna remain here and and create this space for me.

Sophie (01:26:12.246)
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