Metamorphosis with Danny

What if the life that looks right is the very thing keeping you from the life that feels alive?

In this episode, I sit down to create butterfly postcards with Danny and have a conversation about surrender, imagination, identity, and the strange, beautiful courage it takes to let an old version of yourself die before you know what comes next.

We talk about the abyss. The chrysalis. The ego’s obsession with control. The eroticism of being alive. And what becomes possible when we stop treating life as something to master and begin meeting it as something to play with.

This conversation felt like a portal into a world where we are allowed to dream again. Where art is not decoration, but remembrance. Where transformation doesn’t happen through force, but through surrender.

Maybe the butterfly already exists inside us. Maybe we just have to trust the becoming.

Highlights:

• Why surrender may be the most powerful creative act we can make?
• The difference between living as someone else's idea and living as your soul.
• How imagination shapes both anxiety and possibility.
• The butterfly as a metaphor for personal and collective transformation.
• The role of art in helping us remember what cannot be explained.
• Why the future may not be something we predict—but something we create together.

About Guest:

Danny Canton II is a New York-based visual artist and the creator of REVELATION, a photography-based body of work that reveals the invisible world and infinite potential within and around us. His practice traces back to a 2010 awakening, an experience in which, as he describes it, reality dissolved and he could see beyond the firmament and to a second, artistic awakening in New York in 2021. Rooted in the physical, quantum world, his imagery evokes microscopy, sacred geometry, neural networks, and cosmic structure, and divinity of the Soul.

Fairy Tea is produced by Six-Two Studio.

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Fairy Tea is a deeply personal podcast where I share the raw, honest messiness of life, exploring how to break free from societal expectations and follow the heart’s calling. Blending storytelling, spirituality, folklore, and self-discovery, Fairy Tea is both magical and real, whimsical yet grounded. It’s a space to embrace uncertainty, face challenges without fear, and stay curious about the possibilities ahead. Through my experiences, I invite listeners to see that a new way of living is possible — one that is intuitive, soulful, and uniquely their own.

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Sophie (00:00.994)
I don't know where this is going.

Danny (00:03.512)
 But is not the most ecstatic experience, the ultimate surrender. Yeah. Like for like for like for me, I like if you want to experience the most ecstatic and orgasmic state, just surrender to life. Like just fully, fully, fully surrender. And like it truly cannot be translated into words. It's like you just have.

to experience it for itself. Stop trying to control everything. And the power of art is it allows it lets you know that it is okay to surrender to enter the state of suspended disbelief.

Sophie (00:55.16)
 Welcome to Fairy Tea, where we sip on the thorough wisdom of the fairy realm and uncover its ancient secrets for healing, pleasure, and rest. I'm your host Sophie, here to sprinkle a little enchantment into your everyday life. Think of this as one great unfolding experiment: an invitation to dance with magic, trust the unseen, and let curiosity lead the way.

Sophie (01:30.99)
 Welcome Danny. I'm so happy to have

Danny (01:32.93)
 Thank you. It's an honor to be here.

Sophie (01:36.558)
 I obviously want to introduce you to the podcast because this is an intricate part of the podcast, right? But I don't I don't like this like sterile, this is Danny, he does this. Like this is boring to me. Yeah. So how I introduce the people is I introduce them through our shared lore. Through our shared connection. Yeah. How we met and how we got to this point where we are right now. Mm-hmm.

Because the relational aspect is what's pretty interesting to me. So sure. And within telling that story, obviously like the important aspects come through anyways. Absolutely. Yeah. So you and I I don't even remember when that w when did we start texting?

Danny (02:20.59)
 Time time is not even real. I as I was telling you the the other day, I caught up with like there's this convergence of like friends that I haven't seen in such a long time. And I was under the impression that we had seen each other like at most like a year ago. Okay. Felt like I'd just seen them yesterday, but come to find that it had been like a full like two years plus. So

time in the city especially, yeah, is just it I think it's I don't know if irrelevant is necessarily the right term, but it's like the term that I'm now using is like is hyperspace. Like when I think about how I am correlated to my tribe, I don't think in terms of like days or weeks or months. It's we're each in our own respective

Sophie (03:03.736)
 Hmm.

Danny (03:19.478)
 dimensions connected in a timeless space and it's in these moments of synchronicity that we come back together and it feels as though no time has elapsed and we just have to try and try and figure out like okay what is like the measurement between like your dimension and my dim and my dimension, hence what we're doing right now. Because was it the beginning of this year? Was it was it 2026?

Sophie (03:46.52)
 End of last year beginning this.

Danny (03:51.566)
 Yeah, that's yeah. So like a good like three, four months.

Sophie (03:55.414)
 Can we just I I just wanna cut in and be like, w who do you refer to as your tribe? Like that is very that what talent struck a chord.

Danny (04:03.576)
 For sure. I would describe my tribe as timeless souls. They do not necessarily subscribe to a specific algorithm, right? They are incredibly divergent beings from the status quo. They are free thinkers, but really deep lovers and

Sophie (04:11.371)
 Okay.

Danny (04:33.518)
 feel emotion incredibly deeply and just want to see humans flourish. They are so diverse, they're introverted, they're extroverted, and I think they're truly free souls that are just trying to find their place in the world, whatever that means to them.

Sophie (04:53.58)
 That's beautiful. Yeah. Do I belong to your

Danny (04:56.372)
 Of course, of course, of course. Look, I I'm I've reached a point now where like I do not leave my home unless it's for something like genuinely meaningful. Yeah. Like something that I've been reflecting on is, you know, in a you know, in a post life review, right? It's like, you know, when we meet our maker, our existential parent, whatever terminology you want to use, right, like what

Sophie (05:08.034)
 Get that.

Danny (05:25.834)
 what would that conversation be like? And for me, I'm like in a parent-child relationship of like, man, I just went on the most incredible adventure. And let me tell you about the incredible souls that I met along the way. Why not? You know? It's like the almost like the the breadcrumbs of the soul. Like the like that's what truly I think

Sophie (05:45.604)
 that's beautiful.

Danny (05:55.232)
 if you're looking about like hyperspace and what's real and what doesn't degrade, it's the essence of the soul. So if whether someone prepares you a meal or makes music for you or dances for you, like when they're able to truly like express themselves, because the most powerful and vulnerable thing that anybody can do is share their soul. And so

if anybody truly reveals their soul, both the light and the shadow, the best thing that I can do is just make space and to reach a point when I do leave this plane to be able to look back and realize like I have this this compilation of moments of just despite you know the past, the present and the future, these are

other individuals that are just so resilient in their journey to be themselves and to shine their light and to share their story and leave their breadcrumbs in the world. And that's, you know, it's like, what more can you really ask for? You know?

Sophie (07:12.67)
 Mm, that's beautiful and and and it speaks a lot to me also in terms of my work and I think it's of course no coincidence that we that we met. And also like I got this I think two years ago, almost two years ago, and it for me it was kinda like it it's it signifies like the the new tribe. So that was kind of like parasynchronistic.

Danny (07:27.053)
 I love that.

Danny (07:39.144)
 For sure, for sure.

Sophie (07:41.986)
 this tattoo that like I did not know what I was subscribing to when I got it, but it felt something that like something that was very alive. And at the time, I really hadn't, or very few people had I met already at that time that I would now consider part of my tribe and part of this like like weird spatial web that I feel very physically. But

I knew it was coming. Yeah. And so I I yeah, that's what this stands for.

Danny (08:17.102)
 I I love that. It's so I think having those like personal symbols and reminders they're so grounding, like for for me part of that process is through the garments that I collect. So whether it's rings or necklaces or pieces, like I've reached a point, especially at at the beginning of this year, where

i it's like my child's state, my child self and my present self are harmonizing where it's just like, there are these aspects that like, you know, ten year old me would really like love. And it's not a it's not a worldly thing. It's not a status thing. It's not an income state. It's it's purely this state of like

expression and curiosity and exploration and so despite everything, every external force to be able to really like feel my inner child like so alive and well and smiling so brightly, it has brought such a level of like grounding and peace. And now anything else is just icing on the cake.

Sophie (09:45.804)
 Hmm. That's so beautiful. And I can tell with you. Like I think you you have such a powerful self expression. Like it's very what sign are you? Okay, that makes sense. Like it's so on the surface. And I'm sure you have like you you get people that are also kinda like, you know, don't really know what to what to make out of your like

Danny (09:57.941)
 Scorpio. Okay.

Danny (10:13.998)
 No, it so it's it's funny. Growing up, I always n was aware of this incredibly vast, almost like abyss that lives inside of me. And my commitment was to the light because one, I would never want to consume somebody with that abyss, and I

went through probably the majority of my life into my twenties not really working with my shadow. Right. It was it was never really something that I chose to dive into just because of its scale and even like volatility, right? Because it's it's big three, Scorpio, Sun, Gemini, Moon, and then

Taurus rising. And so that Taurus rising is just like that grounding that's just like, we're gonna get through this thing, but how the Scorpio and the Gemini play, it's like so like there are these extremes, and you have these moments where it's like, you know, you could go down the path of I I like to use the the the Batman and like joker analogy, right? It's just like

something that I reflect on is like freedom. Like what is true freedom? Not not comfort, right? I'm talking about true existential freedom. Right. When you're free, you have the ability to play your own game. You have the ability to write the rules of your own game. And that in itself, it takes an extreme level of responsibility.

But I'd say that to say it's like when you're able to cross that abyss of ego and power, right, and you enter this realm of pure expression. Like it's in that that space of of abyss, right? That's where almost like the the pain and the rage and like it's almost I don't know if feral in in in nature, right? So that's why, you know, for so long I'm like, I need to figure out what to do.

Danny (12:43.232)
 with you, right? I don't think you're inherently bad, but you you know, you could use a term like for so much of my life, I really leaned into my divine feminine. That was very much so this this aspect, right? Because I would never want to dominate. I would feel like, you know, we live in such a world where we're accustomed to like being dominated or feeling like you need to dominate out of survival.

But in twenty twenty, how he began to understand the energy was the energy of the warrior spirit, right? And so it's like, do you apply it as a conqueror or do you apply it as a protector? So within that, this symbol of, you know, would you rather be a

warrior and a garden or a gardener at war. And how I think about that is like when I think about the warrior and the garden, right, while this individual could use their power to try and dominate instead, they use their focus to be able to cultivate and to really bring and spread life. So that's going back to like, you know, the scorpionic energy like that.

You know, I w I wasn't born and raised in a household that even remotely exposed me to astrology, and let alone we live in a society that looks at it from such a surface level. But I think when looking at it from the lens of energies and you're able to identify all of the energies within you, and when you learn how to channel them properly, you can truly ex.

Press your soul and bring people into your world in a way that is truly sacred.

Sophie (14:46.382)
 Yeah. Yeah. I 100% agree. I think it's actually so fascinating how many parallels you just touched on. because I feel like astrology for me is like like a lot of people look at it and are like, you know, look down or like what like how can this be true? And it's not about being true or not. It's about what resonates with you and what doesn't, and like using it as a tool.

not as the Bible, but like using it as a tool to like dissect your own soul in a way. Like you have I used to have like the level of an inner storm that I had to figure out. The abyss. Like I used to, when I was a child, I had I was constantly under the impression that I was sh being chased by a black hole. Very similarly to what you just referred to as the abyss.

You know, like this black hole. And I was just like, if I don't run fast enough, this black hole will swallow me whole and it will never ever leave me go ever again. Yeah. And so I'm a cancer sun, sag moon, Leo rising. A lot of water, a lot of fire. Uh-huh. And I have so many contradicting forces within me that really sometimes are like

Like even now, like they still like they like my cancer wants to hide, it wants to be soft, it wants to be at home, it wants to be safe, and my Sat wants to, you know, go out, have adventures, and my Leo wants to be seen, wants to be in the mid like in the center of everything. So it's like I sometimes legitimately feel schizophrenic. And having the tool of astrology.

gave me so much language to differentiate between those different aspects that are all me, but I'm not only shy and I want to hide. And I'm not only one I don't I do not only want to be the center of attention at all times. I want to be both. Yes. And I am both. Yes. And and for that, it's like so beautiful to be able to like when I was younger and I did not have the language, it was just this big crazy storm.

Sophie (17:05.175)
 That I couldn't at all differentiate the the the pieces and it was all like fighting each other all the time. Yeah. And now it's like I can actually tend to all the different parts and be like, you're okay. It's actually legit. It's actually fine that you want to be the center of attention sometimes. And it's actually fine that you want to hide sometimes. Yeah. And and and I think, and I would love to hear your thoughts on this, but like

whatever we consider a black hole or an abyss or whatever is is are the the parts that are unknown. I believe. And I wholeheartedly agree with you that like those parts are not bad at all. There is no such thing absolutely as as bad part. There is no such thing like the world is not like if you you just have to look at nature, right? Nature is brutal for sure. Nature is beautiful for sure. Nature isn't there's nothing that is bad in nature.

And even if we don't want to acknowledge it, but we're so much part of nature as everything else, as every tree is every flower, as every bee, as every elephant, is every you know? Like we're trying to make ourselves distinct from that and are like the human world and the nature that's it's

Danny (18:17.76)
 The you're to build off that point, what you're describing is our collective ego, and I think a misconception about the ego is that the ego is there to protect, right? But sure it might feel like protection initially, but when you try to diverge from that.

Ego, the ego becomes a prison, right? So I an example that you know that I kind of see, right? It's like, you know, when you share with me your journey of going from lawyer to artist, right? I can only imagine the battle of the ego trying to pull you into this identity that you that you knew was a prison, but the ego tries to convince you.

It is safety, it is practicality.

Sophie (19:19.542)
 my god. I mean where where did I even start? I remember it's it's funny, like I have like a very vivid memory coming up when you said that and it was shortly before I fully decided to just be done with it. I remember I was I was writing my my I was supposed to write my PhD thesis. I never ever wrote anything.

But it was so hard for me. Like the task was pretty simple. I just had to sit down, sit on my computer and do some research. Like there there was no time pressure. It was interesting to me, and it nearly killed me. Like I remembered that I had to leave my house to go to a library. And I felt like I was going to war. And why was that? I knew like deep down, I knew this was not the path for me.

But at the time, I mean, it's easy. Two years later I can be like, Well, I was supposed to be like this butterfly and like doing podcasting and like, you know, doing arts and and living in New York. But I had not the slightest idea of what else I would be doing. Not the slightest. Not not I mean, th all of this, like if you had told me two years ago, I would have I would have laughed at you. I had

Danny (20:42.541)
 Yeah.

Sophie (20:44.744)
 No idea and I I had to let go of a pat of a already dead version of mine. Yeah. It was dead. That's the that's the thing that I that I keep learning more and more and more. There's no such thing as the right path or the wrong path. There's no such thing as whoa, tongue twister, as a good thing or a bad thing. Yeah. But there is something feels alive or it feels dead.

And if you follow something that feels dead because yeah, you what you've learned is like it's the safe route. It's the, you know, you you've built up to this. I mean, I I studied for five years. Yeah. I I invested a lot of time and money and energy into that path. And it it was a life at some point. Yeah. I I can I I remember so clearly and up to which which point it was alive for me.

And at what point it became dead. And to accept that is such a brutal task. Because again, like you said, your ego kicks in and you're like, no, but that's what I was meant to be doing. That's that was my path. And like I subconsciously like attached so many things to the idea of being a lawyer, so much safety, so much especially because I mean, now I'm literally saying.

I'm a fairy godmother, which you know, it's not really a job description. Yeah. And I think in a way I knew that I was gonna do something this out of the ordinary. Yeah. And it scared me because I hadn't received the full vision of all now. It's like much more rooted because I I have the vision, I know what I'm doing, I have the people around me that are supporting me at what I'm doing.

But if and and and this is like again goes back to like time, right? How do we perceive time? How do we perceive space? Part of me already knew that that was coming because it was already in the present, it was already building, but the fear came in because I wasn't supposed to be what I am now back then. And that I didn't understand either. So I remember I was I felt like dying. And I had to it f it also felt

Sophie (23:09.322)
 excruciatingly like failing at life. It it didn't feel like even though when I look back, I I never gave up out of like weakness. But it definitely didn't feel like I was just like, you know, I'm done with this. Like I just it was it felt like I failed at what I signed up for. And I was so

So scared of what people might think about me, how people might perceive me, like legitimately, like not being able to hold down a pretty simple job. Not that I wasn't I I was capable, but I was dying at it. So I had to leave for my own well being. Because it was dead. It wasn't alive. And I remember the all the fears that I had attached to that, you know, like.

Danny (23:50.252)
 Yeah.

Sophie (24:05.72)
 Like I said, like how would I be perceived? Will people think that I'm weak? Will people think that I'm stupid? Will people think what and it's so funny because looking back, I'm like, people never perceived you for being a lawyer. Yeah. They didn't give a fuck. Like no, no, no single person in my life, if anything, they think more of me now than they did before. But I didn't know that, right? I had no way of knowing and I had to take the leap before I had.

Any security that I would land anywhere I would remotely want to be. And I'm so happy I did.

Danny (24:40.16)
 I'm so happy we did as well. Like one, you know, I have this just incredibly like visceral image of this like just absolutely desiccated husk of a cocoon, right? But then out of it just this incredibly like vibrant like butterfly, just like wings first just emerging. And for me, one of the metaphors, if you will, is

When I look at people, I see really two types. I see individuals that are either an idea or they are a soul.

Sophie (25:28.992)
 Interesting. Tell me more.

Danny (25:31.134)
 So when I ask myself this question of who are you outside of the context of any perception? Meaning, like when you metaphorically think about, you know, the realm of spirit or life after death, right? The one of the things that catalyzes fear is

the unknown itself. And when we think about life after death, you also think about the realm of the invisible, right? And so when you choose to transcend the existing as someone else's idea, right? And whether that's the you know the idea of

what the world wants you to be, the idea of what your parents want you to be, the idea of what your spouse wants you to be, right? It's this idea of are you digestible? Right? It's because at at the end of the day, it, you know, the way that the world is structured, it doesn't matter what you do. All that matters is do other people understand it, which is

why here in America one of our favorite questions is what do you do? Right. And then from there, based off of your response, they paint a picture of who you are in their mind. Sure. You know, they're not taking the time to understand your essence. Right. And your essence is fully unquantifiable. It can only be known in increments of personal expression.

And at the end of the day, your story is not done until you have transcended from this plane. Therefore, judgment is it's it's completely irrelevant, right? But when we live in a world where you have individuals that their perception of the world is only shaped by

Danny (27:57.174)
 the context that's been shaped for them, right? That's where, like I use the term the invisible world, right? Meaning if you do not exist within the algorithm of the collective conscious mind, you do not exist to them. They do not see you. They do not perceive you. But that's where for me, when you ask me about my tribe, right?

They're the individuals that see me for all of me. It's true unconditional love. And if you're able to connect with the essence of unconditional love beyond all judgment and just truly be embraced for everything that you are, you cannot put a price on that. You cannot pay somebody enough to unconditionally love you, right?

And so you shouldn't have to try to keep somebody in your life. Shouldn't have to try and keep anything in your life. If you want to evolve, evolve that like the natural state of nature and life itself is flow, right? Absolutely. I think when the world or the rational mind likes to use the term matrix, right? And the matrix is just a it's just

a thought form, right? It's the ego trying to control. Like something that I reflect on is how we think about what we call technology, right? When at at scale, technology is just crystals, metals, and energy. You know, and life as we know it is

Sophie (29:47.691)
 I know.

Danny (29:53.23)
 such a beautiful thing. And if you think about one of the ways that I like to think about life is almost like a almost like a cosmic library, right? And each individual soul has their own section of the library of infinite volumes of lives that this soul has already lived.

But within that, all of our souls are the actual both readers of these volumes as well as writers of these volumes. And the idea, if we were to the same way that we would read you know, a a series like Harry Potter and we look at that world, then we're just like, there's clearly a magic system in this world, right?

we live in a world that has such a beautiful magic system, but the key to experiencing magic is to believe in it to start. Like that's

Sophie (31:08.502)
 to believe in its goodness also or not goodness because I said before that those concepts don't exist, but I like to believe that everything happens for me. Yeah. As opposed to against me. Like even the hardest, horrible things, like I can see now looking back, I'm like, like life was nudging me and it just escalates after a while. It's like at first it's gonna tug at you like very softly, but if you don't listen, it's gonna rattle you a little harder and then

Eventually it's gonna be like slapping you in the face and be like, dude.

Danny (31:43.298)
 You're you're absolutely right. And I think the the key to truly experiencing the beauty of life, it is that it is that surrender. Yeah. Right. It's like we when you look at how humans try to relate to nature or

You know, even if you want to use magic, right? Because to it's like you have flow and then you also have domination. Right. And so it's like once you begin to understand your own potential, the very first thing that you want to do is try and exert that potential, right? You want to try and dominate the forces, you want to

And right. It's like even like when you look at our relationship to nature as a as a society, right? It's we work so hard to make it seem like we are in control, like we're dominating nature when in reality our biggest fear is losing control. Like

Sophie (32:44.055)
 Mm.

Sophie (33:10.966)
 Mm.

Danny (33:12.242)
 if you think about, you know, how did Atlantis fall, right? And I think when you look at this idea of, you know, when we think about technology, right, we think about technology as a dominating force or these these tools to dominate the elements. But it's like if you have a chained

animal right at a certain point the last the last thing that you want is for that force to be unchained right and so yes and so when you look at like how are we using magic today right we're using it to try and

Sophie (33:53.324)
 Because it's a lot of pent up energy.

Danny (34:09.24)
 bend reality to our will. And at a certain point it's going to snap back. And so I think that the same thing also applies to how we've created these artificial personas for ourselves where it feels like you're it's like you have to exert incredible amounts of will to be the accountant, to be the lawyer, to be

Sophie (34:16.77)
 Keros, huh.

Danny (34:38.156)
 the doctor when in reality there is a natural state, right? So I think the key to I one of the terms that I like to use is the the quantum leap, right? It's like when you look at where we're at in human history and where are we trying to go, what are we trying to achieve at the end of the day, we are trying to harness the

science of God, if you want to use that term, without like while removing or discrediting our existential parent, right? At this point, it's not even it's not about nomenclature, right? There is an objective source that birthed all of us. And it is so profound beyond all words. And so

instead of trying to dominate the source, instead harmonize with it. Right. You know, the last thing that you want if you're at at sea, the last thing you want to do is try and fight the current.

Sophie (35:43.854)
 Absolutely.

Sophie (35:51.342)
 Th there's no point either. No point at all because it's not trying to harm you in the first place. I think that is something that I took me so long to understand that you don't have to force and the beauty of it is like with the cosmic joke also, because there's so much humor. Like there's so much humor in what you tr you try to dominate.

Danny (35:53.512)
 No point at all.

Danny (36:12.267)
 Absolutely.

Sophie (36:19.266)
 The world, but you're also just trying to dominate yourself. Right. And I would love to like hear your thoughts and like, because domination is not a bad thing. Submission is not a bad thing either. Both of those things can be executed in beautiful and loving ways. And they're part of nature too. Like, look at look at lion mamas with like lioness with their pubs. Yeah. Like the mother is like very dominant with her.

Danny (36:30.103)
 Sophie (36:47.778)
 But in such a loving way. Absolutely. And the pupes, they love being submissive. They love being like tucked at their at in the like in the nape of their neck and being carried around and like just being able to be play because they can only be playful and fun and giddy because the because of the dominating force of the buttons, right? Absolutely. She's providing the space for them to be playful and young and and and and sweet and just, you know, they have no other worry than this.

Danny (37:17.525)
 Absolutely.

Sophie (37:18.636)
 So I would love to hear your thoughts on on like a new paradigm of of domination. Yeah. And submissiveness. Like what what what are your thoughts on this?

Danny (37:32.019)
 I'd like to use the term harmony or like harmonic design. Like that's a term that has really been like standing out to me. And I think there's another element of play. And I think understanding a harmonic relationship of power dynamics is really I think it is a lot of fun. It makes

life so much fun. Yeah. Like there is a incredible beauty in being able to set a goal and exert energy to meet that goal, but then at the exact same time surrender to the outcome. Right. Because it at at the end of the day it it always it always comes down to balance, right? It's like because there is this

beauty and being it's almost like the inhale and exhale, right? It's like there is something that's so beautiful about being, you know, almost inspired to exert your love, but then at the exact same time there's another element of surrendering to love. So it's it's a it's a it's a push and pull, it's a dance. It's you know. And so I I think there is a I think it's almost like

I don't know if the term is necessarily inverting how we think about domination and submission, but it's like I almost look at this sense of like consumption, right? It's like if you if you look at like unhealthy domination versus healthy domination, right? It's you know, the healthy healthy domination

will always see and acknowledge the other and understands the power dynamics, right? It's almost like I think there's a greater, a greater, I don't know if the term is control, if that may if that makes if that makes sense.

Sophie (39:49.656)
 think it's it's executive right. First off, I think it ties back to what feels alive. Like you can like dominating and being being dominant, being submissive is like, is very much like playing with the life force itself. Of course. You know, like when I look at you and I like say something to you, like that's like me being dominant versus when when I let you

Like I receive what you're saying. So I go into like my like more of a submissive state. And like playing back and forth with that is like, first off, it's like so juicy. And like you can, you can like you can tell how like, you know, the features of a person changes, how certain things that you say how they land with them. Yeah. But I think it's like those two forces need to understand one another.

Danny (40:41.48)
 I think you summarized it so well.

Sophie (40:45.794)
 Like if I'm dominating you from a loving place, I I understand it like the yin yang. Yeah. You know, in the yin and yang sign that you have the black, but there's a little bit of white in there. There's always like a little bit of submission in the dominant in in the dominance. Versus if you're being submissive, you can be v you can like ex exude like a little bit of dominance in the submissive state as well. Of course. So you're not it's not

I think we have a very one dimensional view of domination and and submission in that sense of like predator and victim. Yeah. And and then as soon as and that's why we're we're so afraid of of dominating of of domination in general, because we're like, I'm gonna be Hitler. Yeah. You know, like I I can't do this because I which is insane. Yeah. You know, like domination comes like if executed in in a loving way, first off.

requires a lot of responsibility. Yeah. You you take responsibility full on not for yourself only, but for the other person.

Danny (41:51.776)
 And I think the key is like mastery. I think like self-mastery is so sexy, right? Because it's like when you know your limits, your limits of domination and submission, right? You at because it's the balancing point is this is the self, right? It's like when you watch someone that is a master of their own craft and you can simultaneously

Sophie (42:11.566)
 Absolutely, yeah.

Danny (42:21.772)
 be in control of a of a direction while like if you look at like how if you're preparing a meal, right? It's the chef that is the conductor. He's orchestrating this like this symphony of of ingredients, right? And while preparing every single ingredient, they're handling each ingredient with care. There's a there's a level of tenderness, right?

It's not about, it's not about I think one I think when you're looking at like play dynamics, right? Do you acknowledge the sovereignty of that which you're playing with? Right. Because when you understand the the limits of, you know, maybe it's cilantro and you have to handle it with a certain level of care to be able to for it.

to in turn and give you the love that you need. And so I think that's the key, right? It's being able to both see yourself and other at the same time.

Sophie (43:31.368)
 Totally. And I think you just touched on another component that is so important that is play. Cause it all starts and ends at playing. And playing allows for so many more errors than we think. Yeah. You know? When we're playing, like you can fuck up and it's okay. Cause you're playing. Yeah. But when we're in real life, which is just what we define it to be.

Danny (43:56.814)
 Mm-hmm.

Sophie (44:00.632)
 And we're all so serious. We're we get so worked up about the tiniest little mistake with ourselves and with others. And then there's no margin of like grace happening at all. And then everything gets so serious and every everyone is so tense and everyone is so scared of doing anything wrong. And then nothing is happening ever at all.

Danny (44:25.142)
 you you're spot on at what there's this vision that kind of came to me that thinks about life like a like a like a a sandbox, right? And so if you think about in this day, right, in the beginning of the day, right, you have the kids that are dropped off on the sandbox and they're there playing, right? Every child has their own.

imagination and the children are jumping in and out of each other's imagination, right? But then as the day goes on, certain kids get picked up, other kids get dropped off, right? Maybe one or a few of those other kids say, you know what, who wants to play in my world? But once you start playing in their world, they don't want you to leave. They don't want you to go back to your imagination, right? They want to use your imaginary energy to create their worlds, right?

And then from there as the kids from earlier in the day, as they get picked up and the new kids get dropped off, the other kids that are on the playground say, Welcome to the playground and these are the rules. Right. And then you get to a certain point, right, where maybe all the kids on the playground are just playing by the rules. And then you get to a certain point where imagination and play starts to get really pulled out of it.

But then you get another group of kids that are just like, what is the playground itself? So these so they start examining the sand. But then you get to a point where towards the end of the day, right, you have a playground full of nihilists that just say, we're just in a box full of sand, right? When the whole point was about imagination. And so like when I look at the human condition today.

Of objective materialists and nihilists, right? The point is like it's it's all nothing without imagination, right? It's all nothing without that state of play. And it's all nothing without having sovereign respect and sovereign identity, right? It's like every person has a an infinite imagination. And now when you understand how to properly utilize active imagination.

Danny (46:51.296)
 Right. From there we can begin to create our realities and share our realities with other. Like something that I reflect on is like what we call anxiety is actually unconscious imagination, right? It's like it's when that image looking at how we've structured the world, right? We, you know, from what by what fifth grade

imagination is something that's completely irrelevant and we're told that imagination goes away, use it or lose it, right? But no, it just becomes unconscious. And therefore our shadows end up becoming so it turns inward. Yeah. And so that's where I think when you ask me about what is the

Sophie (47:40.951)
 It turns in work.

Danny (47:47.98)
 key to the future, right? What does this new world really look like? It's one where from day one we're taught the mechanics of active imagination, right? How do you maintain that imagination and how do we interface with each other's imaginations? It's like one of the things that I think about, right, is I

liken the soul to that of a dreamer, right? It's like when you look at the material world and you say, okay, the material world is energy, it's quantum, it responds to observation, it responds to belief and intention, right? When you look at the architecture of

the dream world and dreamers, right? You have one state, which is the state of absolute void, right? Those are the dreams where you go in and you wake up and you're not aware that you dreamt. You was just pure oblivion. Then you have the next layer of chaos, right? You can have negative chaos or you can have just pure absurdity, right? But from there, as you start

approaching greater levels of lucidity, right? First you begin to observe the dream state around you and you can bring that back. But then you reach a a level where you can begin influencing the dream world that you're in. Now then there's this next layer. Once you reach that point of pure lucidity, right, that you you're tempted by the ego to say,

This is my dream world and everyone and everything is subject to the will of my dream state. But the next step forward is if you're able to quiet the ego. So your your your sovereignty is not invalidated, but you now reach a point where it's a shared dream, right? So when you factor in variables like, say, the observer effect.

Danny (50:15.626)
 If you are able and willing to share your dream with me in the purest way, and I'm able to observe it from an unadulterated perspective and at worst give a neutral perspective and at best, right, give words of affirmation, thoughts of affirm, like positive thoughts, positive emotions, right? That's

energetically amplifying in love. And so there's a certain point where, like the point being, it's like, how do we harmonize the soul along with source, which you'd call the quantum field or the fabric of dreams? So when you look at the world and you say like, okay, what is the economy of the future?

I think the economy of the past is a void-based economy, meaning how can I create a portal that's gonna absorb, right? And at some point I'm gonna absorb enough that I feel whole. Which is why you have a class of individuals, even though they have incredible abundance, they still feel wealth and it's and enough is never enough. Yeah. Right. Versus you look at the generator economy where

It's the artists that are the generators because the reward is not what you receive, the reward is what you give. Like when you're able to when your heart is so full and it just overflows in an infinite number of ways. And that to me is the world of the future where every person is a seed. And those of us around this new seed that has entered our garden, we say, What do you need?

to be able to blossom and bear fruit.

Sophie (52:14.434)
 can all do this alongside of one another and have beautiful symbiosis between one another. I think that is such an important thing as well. And it touches on like abundance versus scarcity, right? It's like and the way I see it, and like I I mean, thank you. Like I I genuinely like feel so blessed and I appreciate so much like hearing your thoughts and your visions on on

what I think you and I are very much like at the forefront of like feeling this new paradigm and like w you know, first you feel it and then you put it into words and then you put it into structures. And we're so far, far, far away from structures. And like having being surrounded by people that do feel it too. And like I've had moments and and and and synchronicities happening to me where I, you know, my guides said something

so, so eerily similar to my friend's guides. Yeah. And like these things can't be coincidences. It's just impossible.

Danny (53:21.38)
 there absolutely not. There there is no coincidence. And I think the so my hypothesis in in terms of evolutionarily speaking, what kind of world have we created? And so if our true home is this infinite field of dreams, what we've

Created is essentially this pocket dimension, right? So it's like if every person is a biological dreamer and we live in the field of dreams, and if everyone's imagination becomes unconscious, right, if you can give people a focal point, you're able to use all of their energy to shape essentially a

you like a fixed point in time. Like imagine having a singular dream, but not allowing anybody to wake up from that dream, right? Like, but part this goes back to this idea of like, who are you outside of the context of the shared belief system, right? Yeah. It's that's where it's like if you are, you know, divergent in any way, shape, or form, right? Whether that's, you know,

you know, cognitively divergent, spiritually divergent, physically divergent, right? It's like everyone's subconscious is trying to bring you back into the box to the shared dream. Yeah. And if you do not, if you we live in a in this like fixed dream, but you do not remember how to dream and that shared dream

Sophie (55:01.066)
 It's the shared dream. Interesting.

Danny (55:19.406)
 fractures, you fall into chaos and you lose your identity. Yeah. So I think in terms of where we're at in the world, right, as we're seeing all of these shared norms being fractured, right, the most powerful thing that we can do for anybody is help them remember that they are a dreamer.

And just start dreaming. What does your dream reality look like? Like, for me, the a really important reflection point has been the term unconditional, right? So whether that's you know, unconditional love, joy, happiness, peace, right? It's like we live in a world of conditions, meaning that

I will be happy when I get this promotion. I will be happy when I have this type of home or vehicle or like, but the thing with those conditions is even if those can once those conditions are met, we live in a fluid world, meaning that at some point those conditions are going to shift. So does that mean you never attain love, that you never attain joy or peace? But when you're living from a point of unconditional joy.

And peace. Like you've like for the old game, the old game was, okay, I'm going to spend my entire life trying to attain happiness. But how often do you hear about these individuals hitting their goals and it and they still feel empty, right? Versus the new game, right? I I like to think about like like like Minecraft, right? Or really any game where

you know, in if you're looking at Minecraft in survival mode, right, a diamond is worth so much. But in creator mode, you have hyperabundance. And at the end of the day, what's valuable is what do you create with that hyper abundance? And so for me, I think it's it's up to the artists of the world today to be

Danny (57:40.098)
 the ushers to be the shepherds into saying, like, okay, if you want to know what a world of hyperabundance looks like and how it operates, it's not another ism. It's not another thought form. It's not this thing that someone else architected. It's our natural state. Look at nature and from there generate, generate. So that thing that you're looking for in the world

generate it from within. If you're looking for a specific type of partner, generate the feeling, right? Don't create the architecture first. Generate that state of being and your signature, your energy signature will exist.

Sophie (58:26.83)
 Will attract it. Exactly. Absolutely. It's like I think for a long time when what I used to do is like I I tried to reverse engineer very naively a life where I was like, once it looks good, it will feel good. And I was so disheartened and this thing when I when I when I became a lawyer, I was like so disheartened to to understand that that's actually not how it works. Mm-hmm. It actually doesn't do anything for you to create a life that looks good. Yeah. And now I'm like

Danny (58:40.481)
 Yeah.

Sophie (58:56.842)
 Absolut like trying the the reversed approach where I'm like, no, I'm gonna make it feel good and I know it will provide for me. And I think you I mean, you touched on so many things. Like I have like a million thoughts that I want to share with you. But let's let's just go back to where we met. Yeah. We actually met you and I connected on hinge. Mm-hmm. We started texting. I think we added each other on Instagram. Mm-hmm. And

Danny (59:04.648)
 absolutely

Sophie (59:25.888)
 I met you f only like a few weeks into like coming to New York. I it was at the very beginning of building this project. And even prior to us meeting, I think you texted I was still in Switzerland and you texted me something like along the lines of like, like we were talking about butterflies and what they mean, and you were like, I see that like so many people are scared of going into the Christmas.

And I knew that's where I knew. I was like, you and I have shared business. Yes. and we only met once prior to now today. and we went for a drink. And it was very, very special for me to talk to you and to I think in the way that you reflect my work and to what depth you're capable of seeing. Because the thing is that sometimes I like if we talk about this, like.

Danny (59:59.074)
 Yes. Yeah.

Sophie (01:00:24.682)
 I know what I'm doing and I trust in what I'm doing. But if you don't ever have anyone mirroring back that back, you some you you sometimes we are off and are like, am I crazy? Am I like, is this all absolutely absurd?

Danny (01:00:42.936)
 To that point of like feeling crazy, like so for me, when I started my going down my journey of whether you want to use the term awakening or unfold, whatever terminology you want to use, my youngest brother was an incredibly grounding force because like to be able to have that reality check.

And because one of the things that I genuinely appreciate about how he interfaces with the world is it's from this point of non-judgment. And from that non-judgment, he was able to let's use the term see the magic of the world, right? While still being grounded in the third dimension. Mm-hmm. And so

what he was able to provide for me was just saying like, yes, Danny, what you're seeing is objectively happening because I'm also bearing witness to it as well. Because I think when you enter the realm of the abstract, you're so I shared with you a little bit of my of my artwork.

And the the story behind it is it didn't start out as a as a quote unquote art practice. It was a means of trying to communicate to friends and family that I'm having these abstract experiences objectively.

And I'm using photography to try and share with you what it is that I'm experiencing. But the challenge, and I was using photography as that vehicle, but the challenge with traditional photography is you're going from the rational to the abstract. So when an observer has lived

Sophie (01:02:48.765)
 huh.

Danny (01:03:04.812)
 their life looking at world from the rational perspective, the subconscious mind has a a cap, right? Sure. Meaning that they can only perceive so much abstraction before the rational mind kicks in and says, that does not exist. But what my youngest brother provided is he never, at no point did he ever

invalidate. He created this space for me to sh like it was to the point where I was waking him up at the most odd hours of the morning, saying like, hey, this thing is happening. I would like to share it with you. And at no point did he say, you know, fuck you, I'm going back to bed. Why did you just wake me up at at, you know, at two, at two in the morning? He would always make the time to meet me exactly where I was and

He always created the space to fully receive what I was trying to share with him. And the stories that he can now share are truly, truly, truly like I tell him all the time, like, good luck trying to share these these stories. But going back to this state of like when you are in.

The abstract and you feel alone, right? And your sanity could potentially be questioned, right? That's an incredibly volatile state, you know, because you know, you know it's real and you want to go to the people that you trust, to the people that you've been told are your elders, right? And they're the holders of.

Sophie (01:04:46.903)
 It's sure.

Danny (01:05:02.376)
 of of the wisdom and and then from there they they they tell you that no what you're experiencing is completely invalid and it creates this incredible dissonance, this incredible cognitive dissonance that the world that we're living just says, numb it. Take this, numb it, yeah, get better. And that I think going back to this point of mastery, right? I think it's so important to be able to like

Steer into the abyss. It d it makes no sense to fear the abyss.

Sophie (01:05:36.662)
 No, you always come out on the other side. Always. And and and it's the biggest teacher. Hands down, it's the biggest teacher you can ever face ever. It's just a lot of discomfort that comes along with it because you have to let go before you know where you land.

Danny (01:05:55.252)
 You're you're absol you're absolutely right. And it's also like the most ecstatic experience ever. It is like the most like if you wanna talk about like for for me, there's an element of like there's a genuine eroticism to life that everybody deserves to experience. Absolutely. And there is that point of even like when you're looking at like

play and power dynamics, right? If you're not a little intimidated, like you're you're you're missing out.

Sophie (01:06:29.87)
 Yeah. You have to be like this little like, what's going on like what's gonna happen? so I want to share with you, I knew this is this was exactly supposed to happen, exactly like this. So for the past two or three days, I felt like I was going through something. Like I was going through a portal. You know what is the chrysalis? The chrysalis is the most beautiful

Danny (01:06:35.742)
 Yeah.

Sophie (01:06:58.048)
 metaphor for the present moment. Why? Because in the Chrysalis, both the the past is falling apart and the present is forming at the same time. And the same thing is happening in the present moment. And why is it so hard to be in the present moment? Because it's inherently unstable. Right. And and sometimes you feel that more and sometimes you feel that less. Right now, I feel like my there was something going on over the past few nights. I slept

10 hours plus, I legitimately feel like fairies are performing surgery on my body while I sleep. That's that's the hill I'm gonna die on. It's also spring that is coming in that like, you know, comes with a surge of like energy. And I feel like my body is transforming. My heel my my Reiki healer, she was actually here as well. She did an exo with me. She created this whole space with me. This mouth

We performed literal magic on this space. That's why it's working. I'm gonna tell you everything about it, but I wanna give you a little bit of a prequel. Or not a prequel, but like a little bit of an insight of what's going on with me right now because I think it beautifully ties into what you just said. It's like in real life happening. So I cannot explain it to you other than my the masses of my body feel different. I feel lighter. I didn't lose any weight, but I feel like the masses in my body have changed.

By the way, I'm so happy that we live in a time like now that we can have those conversations and are not put into mental I keep saying this every episode because it's just like

Danny (01:08:29.931)
 Yeah, yeah.

No, it it's the it's it is it is it is the truth.

Sophie (01:08:38.124)
 It's a true as this we can have those conversations and people like I like I have so many profound conversations with so many people and people understand what I'm saying and I'm like final Yeah but yeah I feel like the masses in my body are different today I didn't know what I wanted to wear I always know what I want to wear like I'm such like I'm such an intuitive like I know what my body needs to you know feel good I was in standing in front of my clothes I was like those are not my clothes I felt like I was

It everything looked the same, but everything felt different. And I texted my healer. I was like my my Reiki healer. I was she's this beautiful, gorgeous, tiny Italian woman. I love her to death. And she you know, she's just tackled life heads on from such an early age. And you can you can just tell. Yeah. Like she's such a presence. And I rarely ever get to the point where I'm like, okay, I need help. This is not okay.

And so I reach out to her. I was like, what's going on here? And she goes, Sophie, you're undergoing a DNA update. Chill. Everything is fine. This is totally normal. Just and and you know, tr take a bath, take it, take things lightly, like don't do too much. Just like rest and and settle into it. Cause what you have to do is kind of like don't like it's valid to freak out over it because it feels

so surreal, right? It's a surreal experience. But also there's no necessity to fall into despair. Mm-hmm. Because then you just make it unnecessarily hard on yourself. So just be kind to yourself. This is have like this is an and and I'm just at a stage where I'm so sensitive to these, you know, another person would be like, I feel off. I don't know. I you know, and I used to be so like I I used to have so way less like

vocabulary to like understand and see and and differentiate what's going on. But anyway, so she goes, you're undergoing this, this, this DNA update. And why it's that she's like, listen, the work that you're doing, and that's why I'm telling you this, you want to be able to hold the space. So you have to make the experience yourself. You have to understand what it means to be mid chrysalis, to feel in your body what it means to

Sophie (01:11:02.452)
 Simultaneously fall apart and be built and to be able to surrender to that and to come out on the other side. You will never, you you cannot do the kind of work that you want to do if you don't have that experience yourself. And what is the work? And and and I knew that at this point was going to come because I wanted to share what I've been working towards over the past two months that we haven't seen each other. So

Where you are right now is kind of like my laboratory stage of like building this and seeing what works, what doesn't. How do I like how can I hope people? How can I be the dominant force in that sense? But like dominant in like a very loving way of like I I want you to come in and and feel held. Yes. Right. So what we did with this space is like we literally performed magic on it. So it's like this space in here, I don't know whether you noticed.

doesn't belong to the paradigm of

Danny (01:12:02.036)
 for s for sure. I I like to use the term portal and something that one of the ways that I articulate it when a partner when partners care for a life, whether that life has come through them or they're adopted, right? It's important to give the tools to teach how to

create your own heaven, right? Because to live in someone else's heaven becomes someone else's hell. Right. So when you think about the like going back to the concept of the American dream, right? Do you think, okay, you know, I need my dream partner. I need my dream home. I need you know, I need my dream pet, you know, and I need this number of children. And these children are gonna do this, this, and this. And they're

There becomes this imbalanced dynamic when you have, you know, children that are just like, I'm not called to be a doctor, I'm called to be a chef, right? Or I'm not called to be an accountant, I'm called to be a dancer or whatever that might be. And so it's like, so going back to this point of being able to create a a space of protection, right? Which is like when you look at

the maternal energy, right? It creates this shield that will cultivate and take care of whatever is inside and it will feel cradled. And then from there, it's like when the gestation period is complete and the being leaves that space, they are healed, they're energized, they're empowered and have the wisdom to generate their own.

Sophie (01:13:58.882)
 Field. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Danny (01:14:00.462)
 And so I can absolutely feel myself being cradled in your field and it's it's an honor to be in your

Sophie (01:14:08.92)
 Yeah. It's an honor to have you here. And I think this whole space is a co-creation in and of itself. Like everyone who steps in here who dedicates. And I think it's such a beautiful metaphor, too. Like I do this with purely people that live here. New York people are chronically in a hurry. Like I ask so much from them. I'm like, give me two hours of your day. And they come here and they

And they le like a part of their energy stays with the space. And they take a part of this energy with them, right? It's an exchange, yeah, sacred exchange. And with every person that comes in here, the the energy of the this space becomes stronger. Like I like more and more people that work, you know, there are other people that work here. It's an open space. People come here and go and ask me what is this? What's going on here? It's nothing in it of itself is special. But it's

It's carried by this field. It's a structure that's holding this that's that we're in a way anciently familiar with, but at the same time, we have no idea what that is. And that's kind of like what I'm here to translate. I'm I'm merely I think first off I'm a vessel, you know, I hold this, but I I'm a fairy. What does a fairy a fairy lives in the liminal? A fairy

translates from the natural world to the human world. She's both and she's nothing. You know, and that's how I feel. I feel like I'm just translating. And that ties back to where's this all coming from? This new paradigm or this new idea of what is a leader? Who's my leader? My leader is the butterfly. All of what I'm saying, I was told by the butterfly. The butterfly told me don't

Become by forcing, become by being, surrender, be. And so what I'm doing here is like I invite people in. This is this two hour these two hours are a metamorphosis in and of itself, because you surrendered to it, I surrendered to it. We sit in this structure that holds both of us. I couldn't be doing this without the structure, right? What I fill out the structure and I and I and I

Sophie (01:16:33.25)
 Can be fully myself, you can be fully yourself, and we can just meet ourselves. We can go into relation with one another because we have the structure around the present moment. Why can we not sit in the present moment? It's because we don't have the structure. Why can the butterfly, why can the caterpillar sorrowlessly surrender to the chrysalis, surrender to becoming soup, because it has the structure to hold it?

And so we need to learn to hold to to create a structure an invisible structure, an invisible infrastructure. And that ties back to your world of dreaming, right? It's like it's the invisible world and the visible world. The way I see it is I used to be the the the law was not pointless. The the law had its point in the sense of like it was one wing of the structure of the masculine, of the

building the container of the protection. And the other wing is the invisible, the imagination, the dreams, the the ritual, the the relationship, right? And only if we can bring those two worlds together we can fly. Yeah. And so what I'm doing, and this is literally a portal. This is a mini portal. This is a mini portal for me to prepare the bigger thing that is coming. Mm-hmm. And to

Connect to the people and this is also me asking whether you want to be part of the bigger thing.

Danny (01:18:07.438)
 I would love I would be I would I would love to I would be so

Sophie (01:18:10.422)
 Have not yet told you about it, but so this is a elaboratory stage of like creating the butterflies, creating this metaphor for life. So where this is coming from also is like I'm sick and tired of being in this doom state of like if we keep saying we're fucked, we're creating from that point. We're manifesting a fucked up situation because we're we keep saying we're fucked, right? And I think first off, I don't

I don't buy into it. I don't think that's true. I think we live in a paradise and we just collectively signed off to a dream that cuts out everything that's fun and joyous and pleasurable because we signed off to being extractive and we think we can only be off well if another person is isn't.

Danny (01:19:05.804)
 You're you're absolutely

Sophie (01:19:07.358)
 And that I don't buy into that. I don't think that's true at all. I think if you and I put our energies together, we can together create something that neither you nor I could be doing by ourselves. That to me sounds like a win-win. Absolutely. And obviously your c your energy is not compatible with everyone's energy. But you don't have to. You find your tribe, I find my tribe, and we don't have to fight one another. There's enough space, there's enough resources.

There's enough everything. Yeah. It always has been enough. Absolutely. We just collectively decided that it wasn't. And now we're sitting in this fucked up situation because we're like, we cre we literally created it. Yeah. so what I'm trying to do here is like remind like lead people back to them the ancient memory of the future. The caterpillar already remembers

Butterfly. The caterpillar contains the information of the butterfly. We contain the information of the butterfly state of the collective. Yeah. We just, it's not on our on the level of the brain, because that's where we get stuck, right? Where we're like, yeah, but this is not possible. How are we ever supposed to get there? And then we're like back to square one. It's on a cellular level. It's on a on a bodily level. And it's not so much a clear picture.

But we know how it feels. We know how it feels to relate to one another without having to be better or worse, without having to position ourselves in a hierarchy. We know how that works. We we have that memory, but we have to be we have to find a way to access it. So this space allows for us to access that memory because we're in this space there is no competition. In this space, there is no rat race. There is no

There's just beauty. There's beauty and love and co creation. The

Danny (01:21:06.936)
 Present day I full I fully f I fully feel the present.

Sophie (01:21:10.23)
 Exactly. And it's like because it holds us in the present moment. There is nothing apart from that moment, right? Yes. And so the bigger vision of this is a full on I mean now this is like super private. It's just like if you know me, you can come in, right? So the bigger vision is I wanna create a literal portal and I have a person that can open a portal for me. I wanna create this beautiful big

Stra I'm I'm talking like maybe this space, maybe so maybe even bigger, of like an actual chrisplis that hangs from the ceiling down to the floor. And I want it to be all like organic materials. And I have like this this vision. Like again, it was the butterfly that told me this, like we're we're going into the era of the butterfly, but we have to go through the portal. Go to the, you know. So I want this.

big chrysalis and I'm thinking textiles, you know, like f airy textiles, earthy tones, and like little glass vases all around like hanging all around the chrysalis with flowers in it, because flowers, they're spirits, they're fairies. They protect the chrysalis. And I'll be sitting in the chrysalis and people can come in and sit with me in the chrysalis. And when like a certain

Like I want sound design that like helps the experience. It's an experience. It's a it's a it's similar to what what a what a you know, a psychedelic trip would do to you, but without taking anything. Yeah. And there they would s cause what I have this ancient that's why I call myself a fairy godmother. It's not because I'm just a girl. But in me lives this ancient spirit that

makes people feel safe. And sometimes that like people I've had peop people telling me that for the first time in their lives they felt safe in my presence. And it makes them share everything that they had n they'd never had a space to share things. So how can we enter into the era of the butterfly? We have to get lighter. Yeah. So it's literally a portal to you don't even have to come there and know what you're gonna what you're gonna release, but you're gonna release

Sophie (01:23:38.356)
 something. Yeah. And my energy is gonna take it out of you. And I'm not gonna keep it. You know, we're just gonna give it back to the universe. We don't need that. And you're gonna walk through. You're gonna come out on the other side. I'm gonna hold this experience with you. I'm gonna hold your hand to get through that portal. Cause it is scary. And I know I had to do it by myself. I almost

Gave up because I had to do it by myself. It's not necessary that other people need to do it by themselves. We don't have to struggle alone in s in stillness. I believe that I was put through all of this so I can hold space. Yeah. For people to go through that. And on the other side of that of the chrysalis, there's gonna be a lot of materials similarly to this.

And they're gonna create their butterfly because they came out on the other side of the chrysalis and they're gonna create their butterfly. And I wanna do this maybe for a month or two. Yeah. And then the whole space of the space is gonna be very, like, very industrial, very clean. Mm-hmm. And so with all the accumulated butterflies on the walls, you're gonna have the chrysalis in the middle and then like all the butterflies on the wall. Like

Danny (01:24:58.71)
 And that's incredible.

Sophie (01:25:00.204)
 Growing and growing and growing.

Danny (01:25:02.402)
 I would it would I would be so honored to participate however however I can.

Sophie (01:25:09.014)
 I mean, I was thinking that since you have like a relationship with textiles, I was thinking that you could like I mean, if that resonates

Danny (01:25:16.524)
 Yeah. That that fully re like I think that as we go through the process, we're going to find like it just starts with the the intention, right? And there's however however I can however I can help, right? So I would absolutely love to help with with textiles, and I know the end result in general is just gonna be beautiful. Like the

Like the core the core of intention is already so powerful. And so I'm like, however I can be an anchor in bringing this to life, I absolutely will.

Sophie (01:25:56.782)
 Thank so much.

Danny (01:25:58.232)
 Thank you. It's you know, I think the concept of whether you use a term like spiritual warfare, like warfare, is truly such a it like like when you look at the symbol of like the wounded the wounded healer, right? It's like when you feel pain, your first instinct is to project that pain. But to create a portal for transmutation is

a level of just divine and cosmic wisdom that our juvenile species really needs right now. Right. It's like when you look at the the psychological maze that we've created for ourselves where we celebrate pettiness, right? We celebrate the projection of energy.

like that energy is only going to amplify. So the true process, like the tr like the true whiz the the most wise among us are transmuters, because they can take on the pain of the world and transmute it into something beautiful. Right. I think as

The earth continues to transform, right? It's those of us that have gone through this existential crisis. Like what artist or self-actualized person hasn't gone through an existential crisis? Absolutely. And so that's why it's so important to have these guides among us that are here to be able to like it's in these

Sophie (01:27:41.922)
 Multiple times.

Danny (01:27:56.382)
 moments of pure intimacy. Right. It's like we live in a world where we think that it's the most visible that are the most calls when in reality it's what happens in these moments of safety and of healing. And it's like so like when you find someone that's

sees you and all of you and allows you to be able to bring your pain and just leave it and say like it's okay. Like that no amount of words can truly communicate the beauty of even just being able to like shed pain. Right. It's like we live in a world where we're where we're told you have to

Carry your shame, you have to carry your pain, you have to hide, you have to put on a smile, you're not allowed to cry, you're not allowed to to feel, and all any of us really want to do is dissolve. It's it's it's funny as a as a child, I had like when I would envision what is it that I look for in in partnership.

Right. And I didn't even understand what I was thinking at the time. Right. But it's just like like, okay, what is my what is my metric for partnership? And it was the ability to dissolve, right? If I can be present with someone and just fully dissolve in their presence, like that that was my that was my my my my my baseline. And to this day it's still

holds up and it's the journey of of life is so it's so unpredictable, right? It's like we think life is gonna go a specific way, but I I think that pr that that's like have you read The Alchemist? Right. It's it's you know spoiler alert, the treasure was in the starting place, right? Yeah. And so that's very much like

Danny (01:30:22.444)
 the the the moment that I'm having in my life where it's like everything that I thought that I really wanted ultimately resides within the childlike state.

Sophie (01:30:34.958)
 Absolutely. And I think that's what transmutation really is, is like if you can transmute the pain, the suffering, the shame, whatever it is, you can also see the the gift that it brings you. It's always both. It's with everything like I think that one of the biggest lessons that I had to learn in my life, and I used to be severely depressed, and like

through that depression I I was literally capable of talking out the meaning of everything. Everything I I was able to to render everything meaningless because 'cause you can. You you can you can call everything meaningless and then it is, right? Yeah. And

It was very scary to me because the last thing that I wanted, even in that very, very dark state, the last thing that I wanted is to pull other people into that meaninglessness. So I was just like very contained within this because I could tell. I could tell if like someone would be like, No, like talk to me, like I want to hear it. I'd be like, Okay, this and this and this. And then eventually like I could see in their eyes like this moment of like, damn. You know? And that was just the the most horrific moment for me ever, because it was like, no, now I'm like

pulling another like innocent soul into my despair until I realized hold on like everything everything everything in life is a two-way streak everything if I can talk the meaning out of everything it also means I can talk meaning into everything and that's what I've been doing and that's my my divine purpose in a way is like I know that if I

If I tell you I see fairies in the flowers, that you'll look differently at the flowers from there on outwards. Absolutely. I have that potential and and and it is the same potential, like I can tell you those flowers are meaningless. Yeah. And I'm very aware of that power. And I built myself like over the past two years, everything that I did. Like I went through so many challenges and like I still am, but now I have the people.

Sophie (01:32:52.706)
 The right people came in at the exact right time that I can like talk to, that I can call upon, that I I have the butterfly, I have the fairies that like protect me. And I know the time is right. And I know I can know it's a the whole magic in and of itself is that we create again a structure together. We can I cannot do it by myself. It's impossible. Yeah. The whole magic of it is that it's a croak.

Inherent co-creation. So I'm forming this team and we're doing this together. And we show it's it's in a way a performance. Yeah. But it also isn't. You know what I mean? Like it's a performance of of an of an alternative way of relating to one another, of an alternative way of building, creating. And like I just, I just finished channeling this.

this vision and I know it's what wants to come through. Yeah. And I know I have the exact right people to do this with me. Yeah. And yet, like I have to surrender to it. Like I'm I'm by no means, you know, like I don't know where this is going.

Danny (01:34:10.04)
 Well, but is not the most ecstatic experience the ultimate surrender. Yeah. Like for like for like for me, I like if you want to experience the most ecstatic and orgasmic state, just surrender to life. Like just fully, fully, fully absolutely surrender. And like it truly cannot be translated into words. It's like you just have

To experience it for itself. Stop trying to control everything. And the power of art is it allows, it lets you know that it is okay to surrender to enter the state of suspended disbelief. Absolutely. Right. Yeah. Because it's like there's that fear of surrender because you think.

If I surrender, am I going to lose myself? Yeah. But it's just like, no, you're going to be fine because whatever gets left behind was meant to be left.

Sophie (01:35:23.95)
 Absolutely. And nothing is ever really left behind. I think that's a beautiful metaphor of the butterfly as well. The caterpillar and the butterfly, they're the same creature. Nothing gets added, nothing gets taken away. And that's that goes for the world as well. Yeah. It's the same material always. You cannot win, you cannot lose. Yeah. And you're right. It's one of the very early things the butterfly told me was.

Lean on me and your life will be all right. And the more I do this, the more surreal things are happening. I mean, this whole residency that I'm here in New York, like all of this is tied to the butterfly that we met, like was that that was part of it.

Danny (01:36:09.546)
 Of of course there's this level of like we've grown so accustomed to alg algorithmically driven lives that it's like when you surrender to stepping outside of the algorithm, that's when you like you sing like as you mentioned when we first got together this this this evening was synchronicity, right?

you there is this level of like you can't make it up, right? You can't make it up. All you have to do is just start paying attention. And you it's like that's why I the term like hype like hyperspace, because it's like no amount of algorithm would have caused us to cross paths. Right. It's just like

As you are living your organic life of magic and me doing the same, there's this point of convergence. And it's just like you can't overthink because it you cause like the moment that you try to get meticulous, the moment that you try to control the outcome, life is gonna humble you so quick. So quick. And then the moment that you actually surrender, it's like, okay.

Now here's that thing that you actually like looking for and asking for. And so it's like that's why I think like going back to, you know, these power dynamics of like it's like when you like when you're able to find that balance between both you know, dominance and and surrender, right? That's when you truly have the most fun. But it's that moment when you try to exert ultimate

control that you get humbled. Absolutely. And so it's it's life is fun, but just like any playground, there are gonna be moments where you fall and scrape your knee.

Sophie (01:38:20.81)
 Absolutely. But and they're necessary.

Danny (01:38:24.024)
 They absolutely are. And it's like there's an element where I think by just observing humanity, there's a certain level of compassion because you're we're we are just children. We're observing children that many of these children are just wounded children and they just want to feel safe, but they don't know they don't have a safe space. Right. They

And again, it's not you could have the largest army in the world and still not feel safe. You could have the biggest home in the world, you can have the most money in the world and still not feel safe. You could have like you could think you could have everything, but at the end of the day, you're just an insecure child. So to be able to say like, Hey, like surrender to the Chrysalis, like it's it's o it's okay. Like

Южні серде, і ж ніда, і ж ні то край.

Sophie (01:39:26.988)
 And there's so much preciousness in the insec like that insecure child of yours. Like I want you to see that that's where your magic lies. Your magical essence is beautiful. And you can you can live that out. And and the more you do, and I'm sure you can relate that, the more you draw people in that that

genuinely one to support your dream. You know, like I I did not plan for this to be happening on the podcast, but I think it's such a beautiful representation. Like I could fret over asking someone to participate on my project. Like in the quote unquote real world, I'd be like, what if they don't want to? What if they don't, you know, blah, blah, blah. I have not a speck of a doubt. And even if you had said no, I'd be like, of course, you know, like the thank you.

Because your genuine no would have been such a gift for me too, because I only want you to say yes if this feels as is as aligned to you as it does to me. If we can create a win win. Mm-hmm. Where we're like, We need to do this. Yeah. Yeah. And then we're gonna whatever gonna s gonna come out of that energy, it doesn't even matter. Yeah. Because it'll be it'll be good.

Danny (01:40:53.134)
 Regardless. Absolutely. Earlier you brought up Hitler, and I think something that people forget about Hitler is that he was an artist first, right?

Sophie (01:41:04.558)
 I'm the very much like disregarded and scorned artist.

Danny (01:41:11.34)
 Yes. And that's and I think that for me like comes back to like a a potential, right? Which is like if like it it's when you look at at at potential, right? Right now we're currently using our potential for destruction, but on the other end of the pendulum, there's the potential for creation, right? Yes.

Sophie (01:41:35.176)
 It's the same thing. Yeah. Like my potential for creation is as big as my potential for destruction. I know that. Yeah. I'm f one hundred percent aware of that.

Danny (01:41:45.132)
 that you're you're the the Scorpio Gemini is speaking for you. It's me because you know, there's those moments where like I you know, when I was a child, it really it wasn't until eighth grade where I basically what would happen was growing up my kindness would be mistaken for weakness. Right. And that would

translate to you know other kids that would, you know, like to test me not knowing what I was capable of, right? And so like that that translates to you could if you want to use the term bullying. But what would end up happening is they would push me to a point where I would essentially like black out and when I would come to, some shit would have gone gone.

down. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so, you know, my like the point being it's it's like while we've all had our villain era, right? Every like that's fine. I think the key is just don't get stuck in your villain era. Right. Because it's like you're as easy as it is to crash out, right? When you birth life, that life is gonna be

Like at the end at the end of the day, we all we want is life, right? You know, we just want to be able to like be safe. We want to know that our community is safe and provided for. We wanna know that our family is safe and provided for. And it's no, no, it really isn't. Not not at all. You know, it's like because it's like it's that idea of like when you it's like when you share life with others, you bring life into your own. Yeah.

Sophie (01:43:28.664)
 It's not that far removed.

Danny (01:43:43.341)
 Like.

Sophie (01:43:44.726)
 It's really this idea of being of service, but through like I gen like even with this, I think this was the most egocentric thing I could do. Like I literally created my own playground. We're creating butterflies together. We're talking about like the topics that I, you know, that swirl through my head all the time, always, anyways. Same thing goes for for my bigger vision of the

Chrysalis, it's gonna be the Chrysalis room, by the way. I'm creating a playground to play with my friends that is so much that can find that convolute much joy and pleasure and and life that it creates more life. Yeah. That it perpetuates life. And I can do this from a place that it it's purely self serving.

Self-servingness is not a bad thing at all. Absolutely. You have to first and foremost serve yourself. Yeah. And then from there, you can actually meet someone else and create more. But through you have to understand yourself in order to do that.

Danny (01:45:01.486)
 See, I it's funny, I really didn't understand that until probably 2020, right? I'd spent so much of my life prioritizing others. And I think in that 2020, 2021, where you start to really see like who's actually there for you, right? Not necessarily there for, you know.

what you have to offer, but who's actually there to support you as a as a as a as a human being, right? And so it's like, you know, so much of my of my life I'd never really poured into my self. Yeah. And it took maybe in when I moved out to New York, that was a very like selfish move.

But it was so essential. I had to go through this this this dark night of of the soul. I had to go through this point of really releasing everything that I thought I knew. And from there was able to really be reborn, you know, and that that was my my chrysalis moment. And this city really has

a way of testing you. No, for sure. It really has this way of like there's a certain level of in of endurance that it that it takes, but it will leave you as the best version of yourself if you let it.

Sophie (01:46:53.443)
 I love that. That's how I feel about her too. Yeah. She's so demanding. And she's gonna fucking s fuck you up and spit you out if you

If you lose yourself. She doesn't get you lose yourself. She's like, you have to be steadfast on, you know, the balance again. But if you do that, she rewards you tenfold. Like the the amount of magic that has been happening to me. I've only not even halfway into the time, like into my six months. And I I genuinely feel like I'm living a life. I meet people.

Danny (01:47:17.837)
 Yes.

Danny (01:47:34.936)
 Mm-hmm.

Sophie (01:47:36.042)
 I run into people in New York City. Like how is that even possible? I've only been here for three months.

Danny (01:47:41.43)
 It's funny, I I there was a moment that I had that I'd had this was maybe maybe two years ago, and I was walking through through Soho and there was this path that I'd I normally take this like this same path. And this particular day something in me said, Hey, instead of taking your usual left, go right.

And and I'm like, and there's something to me like, that's so strange. But I'm like, okay, let me take this right. And when I took the right, I ended up s running into one of my friends that I hadn't seen probably for about four years, who had ended up moving to Florida. And if I had delayed, if I'd hesitated by even 30 seconds.

I would have missed them because they went they ended up going right into the restaurant. Like wow. But that just there is harmony in the chaos that is this city. And I think the key

Sophie (01:48:53.506)
 Well that's how this city feels.

Danny (01:48:59.178)
 yeah, that that that makes that makes that makes perfect sense. But it's so beautiful at the at the exact same time. Like there is a like I think when you like when I think about the city, I s I th I see two different types of people. There are the individuals that are in love with the idea of New York and there are individuals that are in love with the soul of New York.

And when you meet the individuals that are in love with the soul of New York, those are the most magical individuals because their mission completely defies logic. Yeah. Right. You know, it's like

Sophie (01:49:40.344)
 That's how I I feel I'm very much like I'm in a relationship with the land itself. And I constantly feel her like pulsing through me. And I'm so adamant about when people are like, the energy of New York City is so bad, I'm like, hold up. The energy of New York City is not bad. The energy of this land is extremely powerful. And if you don't have your s your head straight.

Danny (01:49:47.47)
 Mm-hmm.

Sophie (01:50:09.802)
 on your neck, then yeah, she's gonna you're gonna get chopped up and spit out.

Danny (01:50:14.826)
 Yeah. Because you need your you need your own field because if you're it's like if you're here trying to be filled up, right? It's like think about the individuals that come here and they're chasing. Yeah. Right. You will literally lose yourself trying to enter these different spaces that aren't energetically meant for you. Right. Because it's like

To try and enter a space that's not for you. It's going to take a toll. Yes. Right. Yes. And that's where it's like, that's where these individuals that are chasing an idea, they will sell their soul for that idea. But the moment that they attain what they thought they wanted, it just turns to ash in their mouth. Right. Versus when you are here in your own sphere and field.

she will gently I say I say gently, right, in the most loving it's like as gentle as she can be.

Sophie (01:51:20.832)
 Yeah. She's very demanding still. Like she's still gonna be like

Danny (01:51:25.046)
 And fiercely protect as well.

Sophie (01:51:27.15)
 Absolutely. And I think nowhere else in the world would this have worked. I could not have done this in Switzerland. I know that. I know that the Chrysalis room has to happen in New York. At first it's it's gonna travel. It will travel all over the world, but it starts here. And it starts here for a reason. This energy is so much further ahead of every other energy.

anywhere else. The progressiveness here, and that's what people love about New York too, is like this there's a curiosity that lives here that doesn't live anywhere else. And I just know it, I can feel it. It all comes together. And I'm incredibly excited for for what's to come. I'm incredibly excited to form this team of

of people

Danny (01:52:27.798)
 We're so happy we're so happy to have you, right? The city would not be the same without you. yeah. Yeah, it's it's it really means a lot to be able to like when I look at my at my tribe of just incredible, just magical creatures, it's like like it brings me so much joy when they're in joy, right?

Sophie (01:52:34.1)
 yeah.

Sophie (01:52:56.812)
 Yeah, absolutely. That's the bat that's the thing. It's like if you truly connect with someone like you want their dre like you want to participate in their dreams and you want them to participate in your dreams. It's like it's so much simpler. Yeah. And all the things that we and it goes back to like, what do you focus on? Do you focus on where the energy doesn't flow? Mm-hmm. Or do you focus on where the energy does flow? Mm-hmm. And if you only focus on the energy where the energy doesn't flow, why?

What scares you about energy actually flowing? Because those things are happening at the same time at all times. You can always focus on what you don't have. You could always focus on what you have. I who did I say this to my mom today? I was like, listen, I could be in New York and I'd be I could be like super overwhelmed. I'd be like, I'm I'm new here, like I'm I don't know anything about the the art world here. Why would I do that? That would like I would completely focus on everything that I don't have.

Yeah. Instead of I foc I'm I'm like everything that I need to know will come to me, will cross me. I will know because it's gonna feel life. And that's you know how I go to events. I'm like something feels alive. Okay, I'm gonna go there. Yeah. I never do it out of like strategic maneuvers. I'm never gonna be like, I need to be there because I need to connect to you know, like I don't care about this. Like I just something feels alive. I'm like, that's where I'm going. Yeah. And I create from

what I have, what is in my field, that all the people that are all the people that come listen, how can I bring in twenty people that like I've only lived here for like three months? It's because I purely focus on what I have and what is there and where energy flows and it that is the magic. Like the magic is not that far removed. It's not I want people to understand that the magic is not crazy, eerie aliens.

what not, you know, the magic is literally understanding what feels a life. Yeah. And then trusting that, leaning into that and not forcing things, but like have things arrange around not so much what you and I think you you touched on this as well. It's like it's not about creating the exact vision that you have, but it's more so the feeling.

Sophie (01:55:23.564)
 You can if you vibrate at a certain level, you're gonna draw in what you what you're already feeling. And and that sounds so absurdly easy and it it drives people crazy because we're used to having to be extractive of ourselves and others in order to attain anything. And this is literally the opposite. It's like you don't have to extract anything from anyone. Yeah. You just have to be

And to trust and to love and to create from that.

Danny (01:55:57.964)
 Ab absolutely. And I think that's that's that's the blueprint. And that's that's ultimately what's going to lead us into call it heaven on earth, call it whatever you whatever, whatever you, whatever you, whatever. Yeah, the era of the butterfly. Like that at at the end of the day it's it's something that is so beautiful, it's so profound. And I think the simplicity of it is what's so essential. Yeah. Like

one of the things that I aim to communicate to people is that we're moving out of this age of theory, right? Theory for generations. We love to write volumes upon volumes about the most complex concepts and musings, right? When now we're into this age of practice, right.

It's like when you look at our theories, right? Our theories break down that we live in the most magical world. Like objective whether you're looking at it from the lens of you know, of of you know, science or mythology or religion, right? Absolutely. They're both saying that we live in the most absolutical environment. So it's like, okay, cool. Now when are you gonna get your head out of the book and actually

look within and look without and realize that wow, this thing called light is truly, truly, truly majestic. And that's like you know, it's funny, like when you think about music, you know, you the deepest music nerd, they're not necessarily thinking about you know, music through the lens of math when at the end of the day it's all harmonics, like

you know, had a a really, really cool experience with an art collector where, you know, him and his like partner, they had opened up a a gallery, but by day he's a a math professor and you know he was looking at my at my artwork and he was just and he was like, you know, apart from an artist, like, what are you? And he's expecting me to say something in the realm of math. But what was cool is like that

Danny (01:58:22.676)
 led us to have this perspective where he was coming at it from a a math and physics perspective and I was coming at it from a a spirituality perspective. And we were just like, yeah, we're saying the same exact thing. Yeah. And so now it's saying like, okay, now that we acknowledge that the what we call magic is real, how do we integrate it into life in a

practical way and I think that's where art, creativity, imagination, love, like that's truly the experience. The gateway. That is that is the that is the gateway.

Sophie (01:59:07.092)
 Absolutely. And we're doing it.

Danny (01:59:09.804)
 We're we're we're here, we're in it. And it's like something that I think is so beautiful is like the the sacred act of being present in your own life because it's like for every experience that you have the words, there's an ocean of experiences that no amount of words can ever capture.

the the synchronicity, right? It's like, I like to use the term like you know, an an inside joke, right? It's like, you know, between you and, you know, our our existential parent, right? There the there are these moments that it's like you just you just want to put up your hands and you're just like like really and it's like when you think about like an inside joke with your best friend, you could never like you could

tell the joke to someone else, but they're never gonna get it to the same depth. Yeah. And I think it's like that in in life, right? It's like when you're just purely, purely present and you look at all of these synchronicities and like these things that like you knew you were destined for. And you might have even like told others in your life that I know that this is my destiny. And they're like, they're thinking like, yeah, right. But then it it shows up. But

It shows up in a way where you can't be like, see, I told you so, it's like

I've gotten everything that I've ever like dreamt about, but I can't I can't articulate it and I just and that comes back to like that that inside that inside joke.

Sophie (02:00:53.09)
 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. And that it just goes to show how like this time is not linear, right? You connect to future parts of you of you as well as to past versions of you. And we entirely have no language around that. And like it's so hard to like keep those things apart because what happens also if you're in the present moment and you don't feel comfortable in the present moment, you also get sidetracked into the past.

via romanticizing it or into the future via doing dooming it, which takes you out of the present moment entirely. So it's like all these things, and I'm still learning and figuring it out. Like all these things tie together. Like when I feel this project, all of this ties together. It's like all of this like temporal rating and and and like the metaphors, the collective, the individual

how we have to like understand who we are so we can understand what the collective is. Like all those things tied together essentially to then come to yeah, to that lighter stage to what also is not that far so far removed, you know, like I I always say heaven and hell they're not concepts that live outside of what we're experiencing right now. They're here. We can create our own heaven. We can create our own hell and those things coexist at all times. Yes.

And I also believe in angels. Like I believe that like in the exact moment where you need someone, someone shows up and you don't know this person, but they do exactly what you need because they're they're being angels in that moment. Yeah. I'm I've had angels like saving my life out of nothing. And I'm sure I I I've been an angel for other people in in instances. It's not something that I do deliberately, it's something that kinda like flows through us, right? Absolutely.

Danny (02:02:42.924)
 Absolutely.

Sophie (02:02:45.068)
 I wanna do one last thing, maybe it kinda like concludes the ritual. Yeah. It's a little feeling thought experiment. So what I want you to do, I mean, we've kinda like we're already in a like very meditative state, so I don't have to put you into like a like a whole meditation because we're already like floating, right? So I want you to just close your eyes and like I want you to

Danny (02:03:03.457)
 Mm-hmm.

Sophie (02:03:08.628)
 with your body, like tune into the current state of the collective. And I don't want, you know, you're good at this. Like you're tapped in. I don't it's not about like blaming anyone or anything. I I just want you to like express how it feels on your body, how what you perceive in your body where, you know, you feel a tightening or a loosening or whatever, like or nothing at all. It's possible to. It's just like how

If you connect to it, 'cause we can all connect to it, right? We're all part of it. So we can connect to the collective and like that reflects in like our bodies.

Danny (02:03:47.916)
 Yeah, working through my nervous system, that's something that working with my nervous system, that's something that I've actively been really tuning into and doing it intentionally each day. And for me one of the areas that I really feel it is in my heart and in into my chest. And that's where like

for me the the practice of counting my blessings. It's like the the counterbalance is like I think the best thing that we can really do is it's not necessarily these grand gestures or, you know, grand rallying. I think the best thing that we can do is just

keep the light on, right? So whatever it is that we have to do to keep our hearts open, right? Because it's so easy to want to become cold and want to glorify our our villain era or remain stuck in in the villain era. But truly the I think the most powerful thing that we can do is whether it's

compassion or love or peace or joy or gratitude, right? Whatever it is that lights us up continued to remain lit because no matter no matter what, someone on the other side of the planet feels that, right? They don't necessarily know where the light is coming from. They don't know where the warmth is coming from. But

they've they feel it. Every human on the planet feels it, whether they're aware of it or not. And it's something that I I visualize, right, is like if you imagine being in a football stadium and it's completely sealed and all the lights are off. Like that darkness could feel oppressive. But

Danny (02:06:13.632)
 If someone is on the other side of the football stadium and you just light a match, regardless of how small you think that that flame is, someone on the other side of the stadium is going to be able to see that and that becomes their beacon. And so it doesn't matter how large or small any of our flames are. It's our responsibility to keep our flame lit.

Sophie (02:06:31.638)
 Mm.

Danny (02:06:43.308)
 To be a guide for others.

Sophie (02:06:45.55)
 Beautiful. What I'm sensing from you is like it's like a tightness or like a like a testing phase of like for a lot of darkness and uncertainty and you know a lot of like gravitational pulls into different directions and it's kinda like trying to be to to s to remain centered in a way and to remain

be mindful of the light that we that we share. So I shared with you in the beginning that the caterpillar contains the information of the butterfly, right? And that is actually not just you know me talking metaphorically, it's actually the butterfly the butterfly contains imaginal cells, which are get activated. They're dormant and they get activated once the butterfly

Danny (02:07:17.836)
 Mm-hmm.

Sophie (02:07:42.89)
 enters the stage of the chrysalis and through the chrysalis, through the turning mush, the those cells become active and they're the blueprint for building the butterfly. And if we apply the lens of the butterfly to the collective, and we were to say, hey, this state of like a lot of darkness and a lot of gravitational pulls and disorientation and not really like uncertainty, what if we are in a state of chrysalis?

If we can reframe this and give it a name and give it a structure first and foremost, to hold all of these feelings and and sensations that are intense and demanding, challenging. So I offer this perspective and as a second part, I want you to also tune into.

the state of the butterfly. Because again, time isn't real and we can connect to the past and as well like we can connect to the future as well as we can connect to the past. We're just not used to that. So I want you to like connect through your body because what are we? Like if if you were if we were to apply the symbol of the butterfly to the collective, then we are the cells. And we have to awaken those cells. And it

we have this bodily information. We contain this bodily information. So once you to yet again like tune into your body and connect with the butterfly state of the collective and how that feels in contrast to what you just experienced.

Danny (02:09:26.254)
 Mm-hmm. It's incredibly liberating because I I feel n the first thing that I feel is like the feeling the feeling of flight and this feeling of pure existential freedom, right? This and it's that gravitational weight is now dissipated and this feeling is high.

high energy, right? This level of being of being charged and almost like like truly just like like flexing my wings and like dancing in the air and and it's like like just truly, truly just stretch like stretching the body, stretching the wings and really celebrating being out of the chrysalis.

Sophie (02:10:21.314)
 Beautiful. So as a one last thing, I want you to write those things down. What you have here, what do you see here? Those are like wishes that we make upon the butt upon the fairies. So the flowers represent the fairies and the wishes are for the fairies to take to the universe. And all I do here is I collect those fragments, right? Those if

Danny (02:10:43.926)
 Mm-hmm.

Sophie (02:10:49.302)
 If we're all individual cells, none of us contain all the information. We all contain fragments. So I'm literally collecting fragments. Those are visual fragments, our conversation is a it's an audio fragment and the wishes are yeah, channeled, felt fragments. And by the end of this project I'm

I'm gonna piece all those fragments together and offer an alternative.

Danny (02:11:23.214)
 I love that. I love that.

Sophie (02:11:26.648)
 'Cause it lives in all of us. We're all inherently optimistic. We just have to get it out of us.

Danny (02:11:31.83)
 Absolutely. It's it's really I like ironic because it's like we use that optimism, it's like we'll call it like naivete, right? It's like the moment that someone is is optimistic, you're just like, no, you're just naive. But when you actually look at any individual that has ever manifested

anything, it has always come from a place of faith. And it's always come from a place of optimism, even if the optimism feels like super heavy.

Sophie (02:12:07.231)
 Absolutely.

Sophie (02:12:18.094)
 So you always have to gap the gap between what is and what not yet is. You're you're not ever manifesting anything if you don't bridge that gap. So you have to believe in something that not yet is in order to create anything.

Sophie (02:12:46.222)
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