My Sister’s Job Is Way Cooler Than I Thought

Elvia Van Es Oliva didn’t just “break into” reality TV; she built a whole career out of it. From her very first job as a temp on Rescue 911 to interviewing Steven Spielberg and eventually running shows for Gordon Ramsay’s studio, her story is packed with crazy behind-the-scenes moments and hard-won lessons.

Oh, and there’s a love story too; she met her husband while producing a million-dollar reality competition (he lost the prize but got the girl).

In this episode, Elvia spills on what it’s really like to make reality TV, how the industry has changed, and what it takes to survive and thrive behind the camera.

🎧 Hit play to go behind the curtain of unscripted TV and pick up some real-life career inspiration along the way.

Transcript

Introducing Elvia's Career Journey

Speaker 1 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today, because this podcast is a spinoff of our radio show. So here's the thing you are my sister, you are my sister, you are my brother-in-law, and this is an intervention.

Speaker 2 0:32

Mike, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 0:36

Oh my.

Speaker 2 0:36

God.

Speaker 1 0:37

No, blake said you should interview your sister. The more I talk to her about stuff, the more I realize her career is amazing, right?

Speaker 3 0:45

Yeah, so this is the deal. Like one night I was up in the middle of the night and I couldn't sleep and I was thinking about your podcast and some of the guests and whatever. I'm like, oh my God, elvia should be on it because, you're exactly right, she has this amazing career. She has all these stories. She told us. The funniest story Was it last night about a show that she's working on. That is so hilarious.

Speaker 1 1:10

Oh, but she can talk about that.

Speaker 3 1:12

But she's got all these stories and all these funnies and all these things that happen, that I felt like she's right under our nose, like it's perfect. You should talk to her.

Speaker 1 1:21

Yeah, I mean, and without saying too much, you're suing people using jason baldoni's?

Speaker 3 1:27

is that a secret? Then you don't get to do that interview. I get to do it, I'm starting people.

Speaker 2 1:32

I'm fighting for what's mine right with jason baldoni's attorney.

Speaker 1 1:36

No, justin baldoni's attorney.

Speaker 3 1:41

Okay, that's his brother wait. No, let's start from the beginning. Okay, okay, let's start from the beginning. Okay, you graduated from ucla and your first job, your first job was rescue 911.

Speaker 1 1:54

Yes, actually you were working while you're at ucla at a place because I remember, remember I can't remember where you were at, but I remember you called me just to tell you how long ago was. You called me from the copy machine room and harrison ford was standing behind you.

Speaker 2 2:07

That was my internship with nesita lloyd at paramount as a college. I mean, if you're talking about the career, yeah, I remember butcher's, butcher's daughter demi more. Oh yeah, jeff daniels I mean, we're so aging ourselves a hundred years ago it's gonna be our interview.

Speaker 1 2:23

I'm supposed to die this year. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 2:26

Don't say stupid things. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't know. Yes, my first job not my first job I was 15. But my first job in this business was Rescue 911. And what did you do there? I started as a temp during a maternity leave for an assistant and I became an assistant for three months and then I ended up getting hired on as a researcher. So I talked to all the people Like I would call people who had just called 911 and had been rescued. I mean, that was like that was before the internet. Yeah, it's just crazy. Is that show still on? No right it should be.

Speaker 1 3:03

It's just crazy. Is that show still on, no right? It should be, it could be.

Speaker 3 3:06

I think it's on one of the TV land channels or whatever.

Speaker 1 3:08

No, but reruns I'm talking about. They could be doing it still, they redid it.

Speaker 2 3:12

I remember with William Shatner a while ago or like 10 years ago, and it didn't do as well. But now there's so many reenactment shows like that and all the but I remember the big genre now is true crime and crime, yeah, true crime.

Speaker 3 3:26

Yeah, I remember when we would watch the shows and we would wait for like five minutes when the credits ran. And this is how I describe your career Like you started off and you were an assistant and you worked your way up and you have this big career and that's why I think it's so fascinating and you never talk about yourself and never have this big career, and that's why I think it's so fascinating and you never talk about yourself and never say all the beautiful things that you do. But it's so interesting that with, like the William Shatners of the world, the way you moved up the credits, so we were like, yes, we didn't have to wait five minutes. She's at the three minute mark, she's at the two minute mark, oh my God, she's at the top. You know we were always watching. I know we didn't care about the show, we cared about the credits. I know it was so cool.

Speaker 1 4:11

So, what's after Rescue 911?.

Early Career: Rescue 911 and Beyond

Speaker 2 4:13

Then Rescue 911 got canceled. I moved up to segment producer, which means I was producing the elements of so talking to the firefighters that saved someone's life, the rescue people that came, the first responders, which was an amazing job. And I don't know if you remember Rescue 911, every story ended with someone's life was saved and so through it, through the 911 call, sometimes it was three-year-olds that were saving their brother's life that was drowning. So through that we had to talk to every single person in the segment and people were learning how to save lives, like how to do cpr and how what to do in an emergency. Anyway, that got canceled after eight seasons seven or eight seasons and everyone that was there ended up going into unscripted, which wasn't even a genre at the time. So all those people that were doing reenactments is one of the first shows ended up getting jobs in documentaries or tlc, which used to be called the Learning Channel or the Discovery Channel, which was like mostly sharks and teaching, and that's what I did. And then I went over to that.

Speaker 2 5:12

I went to do Hollywood's Greatest Stunts.

Speaker 1 5:15

Oh yeah, remember that. I love that one. I think about that a lot Because I remember you telling me a story where you were on the set of one of the Jurassic Park movies andielberg was editing. Uh, he was doing something else. He was shooting another movie and editing jurassic on the set, but filming another movie because you were interviewing him for the stunt guy for his stunt guy.

Speaker 2 5:40

Yeah, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 5:41

I mean, but technology like back then yeah, it's like, but that's common now probably.

Speaker 2 5:45

I was in the, I'd walk through the edit bays, remember, or through the edit company, and through each door had a new someone big doing a giant feature. Yeah, it was crazy and you interviewed Steven Spielberg and I was interviewing yeah, I interviewed Clint Eastwood and Steven Spielberg and, like, that show was a behind the scenes of stunt. And that show was a behind-the-scenes stunt, it was featuring all the stunt coordinators and the stunt guys that were doing all the big stunts on those pre-graphic.

Speaker 1 6:15

What is it?

Speaker 2 6:16

now CGI and we were real stuntmen who were jumping off trains and the John Woo movie. What is it with John Travolta?

Speaker 1 6:23

Face Off.

Speaker 2 6:23

Face Off all that stuff. So I did that for a couple seasons and that was amazing. That was so fun.

Speaker 1 6:30

I met some of my best friends on that set Kent one of them, who's now the head writer of Saturday Night Live did he make the cut off because you know they're in the news right now Saturday Night Live, because they fired all their cast and they're bringing. They fired most of their cast. They're bringing back five people, most of their cast they're bringing back. They're they're bringing back five people or they hired five new people anyway.

Speaker 2 6:49

He probably made it because he was a head writer. Yeah, I don't know, though I can talk to him. Um, anyway, that was that. That was fun. And then from that I went to did tlc and then I started show running. So I was in that. In all that I was like segment producer, starting to become show producer, which means you have a team under you that helps make things happen. And then it was I'm a freelance producer, so I would go from job to job so as shows aired, then you'd be out of work and then you'd get another job. Someone would be like oh, I'm staffing up for this show. So then I got a show, um, for the Channel at the time, and it was called was it called the Keepers? Or Zoo the Zookeeper one.

Speaker 3 7:31

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 7:33

Yeah, what the?

Speaker 3 7:34

heck was that, it was the.

Speaker 1 7:34

Zookeeper wasn't it no.

Speaker 2 7:36

It was called the Keepers was one of them. And then there was Total Zoo. Total Zoo it was like a few seasons of each and they just different zoos. So San Diego Animal Park was one we did zoo. It was like a few seasons of each and they just different zoos. So san diego animal park was one we did a couple seasons. Total zoo, I believe, was at the dc washington. Anyway, you got to travel, got to do all that and that was so fun and that I became a series producer so I was in charge of all the episodes on those working my way up to your point about like working yeah, like kids.

Speaker 2 8:02

These days, they don't work their way up. That that was insane, though, because you just worked, so it was us and a few people, and you just work, work, work. And I was in my 20s, just working, working, working. No real life other than that, which was amazing. And then what did I do after that? Then I did. I feel like what about Beyond Scared Straight? Yeah, all one too. Yeah, no, then you did with the, with the police, we'll go out of order.

Speaker 1 8:27

We're going out of order, I think. No, that's okay, because I remember also you did a thing for mtv that I was a part of.

Speaker 2 8:29

Flipped on. Yes, flip that one. I was a series.

Speaker 1 8:33

Yeah the one where you had to go see a therapist, a psychiatrist, because la detectives for a and e because of the horrible, horrible story I could tell stories for weeks. I tell the kids sometimes so that they have some respect for their mother, you told me a story for one of those things that's disturbed me so much. Can you tell us a story? It's so dark.

Speaker 2 8:50

The maggots or the other one.

Speaker 1 8:51

No, the one with the uncle like raped two kids and he asked him why? No, we don't need to know change the channel, and he just did it.

Speaker 2 9:06

Oh God, John.

Speaker 1 9:06

Jay, I blocked that out. I don't remember that Traumatizing.

Speaker 2 9:09

I know, is that where they sent me to?

Speaker 1 9:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:12

And then I started thinking everyone in line for coffee was a pedophile.

Speaker 4 9:16

I was like, everyone was like it couldn't have been, yeah, holding hands with a Even now, like I get triggered, I'm like that doesn't look right.

Speaker 2 9:23

I don't like the way that looks.

Speaker 1 9:24

I was at the airport in Colorado Springs the other day and they have when you go to the urinal they have these signs that say human trafficking. Look out for this. Oh yeah, and it tells you what to say and it says you know all this stuff.

Speaker 2 9:38

We had to look up, tyler.

Speaker 3 9:39

before we walked in here, elvia was for sure the kid next to me was going to grab my purse and run.

Speaker 1 9:44

Well, I don't guess, but I totally had him for that Because she did all these dark, twisted shows yeah. All right, so it was Ellie Detectives. What else? What's after that? Then you did Flipped.

Speaker 2 9:51

I did Flipped, which was taking a kid. This was super controversial and. I don't think it would ever be made. Now that's teenager with the permission of his parent. And if he was like a bad kid or delinquent kind of kid that was drinking too much or smoking or taking the car for joy rides and doing the. What do kids do? The 60s, yeah, like the speed racing and fishtailing, and in LA. They block off an intersection and they just do these things and everyone's standing around anyway.

Speaker 2 10:20

We would take those kids with the permission of their parent. They would give up their life to us for 24 hours and the kid would think he was about to go on spring break or one of those fun party shows from back then on MTV. And what we really were doing was for 24 hours. We were putting them through a series of events that was the consequences of their actions. So if they were a kid that was driving donuts through the streets of LA, we would, with the help of my stunt drivers that I had met through my other show, we created a big stunt where we rolled a car once with the kid in it. He was like it was all fake but obviously.

Speaker 2 10:58

But the car rolled and he ended up in an ambulance. So it was like scaring them straight. So they got put in an ambulance, he got sent to the hospital, all this stuff, and then his mom would be there waiting for him, crying and see, this is why I don't want you to spin out your cars and stuff like that. Did that for drunk driving, did that for unprotected sex, did that for, I mean, so many Usher. That's when I worked with Usher, anyway.

Speaker 1 11:20

Then you did Secret World of Wrestling. I was part of that one.

Speaker 3 11:23

Wait, was that one Brat Camp? No, that's later, that's after.

Speaker 1 11:27

Mike.

Speaker 2 11:28

Leading up to Mike, yeah.

Speaker 1 11:29

Because then you did. What did? I just say Secret World of Wrestling, secret World of.

Speaker 2 11:33

Wrestling that was around the same time. That was what was that? That was history. That was for the History Channel called Secret World. I did Secret World of Supermodels. Worked with Heidi Klum, did the Secret World of Brazil.

Speaker 1 11:47

But wrestling is so huge and I remember I did it, it was the secrets.

Speaker 2 11:48

You had to reveal the secrets.

Speaker 1 11:50

It was terrible.

Speaker 2 11:50

It was like myth busting a little bit right Prove that it was real, that it wasn't a choreographed thing. Right, but then I got my ass kicked and we saw that video somewhere. I'm sure we can find it.

Speaker 1 12:02

I think we've seen it recently. It's available online. You can find it online.

Speaker 2 12:06

And I felt so bad because they were really, they were mean, they really beat me up.

Speaker 1 12:10

In fact that's probably why I had to get injections in my back, Some cells last week. But I mean they really, really. I mean I'll never forget my body was in so much pain. It because they asked me if wrestling was fake and I said, yeah, wrestling's fake. Meanwhile the wrestlers were in the other room watching and then when they ran and put me through the school, they beat my ass and at the end I was like it's not fake.

Speaker 2 12:32

And they were doing the woof whatever right.

Speaker 3 12:34

Yeah, it was terrible Today you could have totally handled it. You weren't in that great of shape then. I was not to say, you said anything you were thinking, just to stir the pot.

Reality TV Breakthrough Shows

Speaker 1 12:41

Right, which you still do that a little bit now. Okay, so then you did all those shows and then I was talking about how you met your husband. On this one reality you met.

Speaker 2 13:00

Mike, your husband, on a reality show. I did.

Speaker 1 13:07

I show I did. I was a producer on a show called I was single in my 30s well you were.

Speaker 2 13:09

Love is blind before love is blind. I know right, I was definitely married to my job and I was honest on the show. I was supervising producer for a show called the family, where it was a group of italians from brooklyn working class group of family members that were competing against each other for a million dollars. And what they didn't know is that there was a secret board of trustees that was going to decide who in that family was going to win a million dollars. I moved to Florida for six weeks and lived in a big mansion where the family lived and I lived in the garage looking at a group, all the control room, which is 10, 15 cameras in a control room, tracking what the family member was doing, setting up the challenges, doing all the stuff.

Speaker 1 13:56

The producers like the staff were the ones that were the secret secret board of trustees.

Speaker 2 14:00

The twist was that the staff was making the decision. So this group of bluear family moved into this house.

Speaker 1 14:08

It was like a mansion.

Speaker 2 14:09

A huge mansion in the middle of Palm Beach and they were treated to this lovely life. They had a chef, they had a maid, they had a stylist, they had a butler, they had a social secretary. They had this whole group of people that they got all this free stuff. They got treated like kings and queens, and how they treated the staff was sort of how they would then go into their late night and vote on who they liked. And Mike was cousin Mike on the family.

Speaker 1 14:42

But this because when they were alone with Mike, he was always nice right. So here you are watching behind the scenes video.

Speaker 2 14:48

I was very professional, right, right.

Speaker 1 14:50

Okay, you're professional, but you're seeing this guy be a nice guy I saw this guy who looked like a hoodlum you did.

Speaker 2 15:03

He was bald, he's tattooeded and he smoked like a lunatic.

Speaker 4 15:06

he was like smoking like and and every cigarette I smoked, I did 50 push-ups.

Speaker 1 15:13

Yes, on the show.

Speaker 2 15:16

Yes, like a crazy person so you're what? But you're watching, you're watching this in the control room, in the control room in the, in the garage of the mansion.

Speaker 1 15:24

It was a five-car but you see him interact with the maid and you see that this is a really nice guy and he was so grateful.

Speaker 2 15:29

He was like to the lady who brought in clothes. He was like oh my God, and then you'd see the rest of the family, which I now know was not his immediate family, it was the extended family. They were like you don't need to fold it, I'm going to fold it. No, no, leave it. And he was super grateful for everything they did, or if they made food. He was like this looks beautiful, this is amazing, and this is all behind, not even for cameras, and the other people would be like are you done, like whatever. So it was just kind of like a different. You could see that he was the black sheep of the family, but black sheep of the family, but in a good way.

Speaker 1 16:02

Is that what they say about characters when you what you do when no one's watching? Yes, and so he was like you saw this guy with great character and he was not my type physically. Had you guys been intimate at that point no, I couldn't even interview him.

Speaker 2 16:16

I didn't want.

Speaker 1 16:16

You weren't allowed to interview, I didn't even want.

Speaker 2 16:18

No, I was allowed to do whatever I wanted, but I would didn't. I was so like giddy, like it was so silly.

Speaker 1 16:24

And he's all what.

Speaker 2 16:28

No, he was like he was flirty but I couldn't, so other people had to interview him. I would interview everyone else.

Speaker 1 16:33

Okay, so let's go to the finale. The winner of this show gets a million dollars, a million dollars, a million dollars in cash.

Speaker 2 16:38

So the staff picked him to be the winner. He was the chosen winner by the staff, but then him to be the winner. He was the chosen winner by the staff, but then the twist at the end of the finale, like most reality shows, was that, that the family chose who his opponent was, and so the family chose cousin anthony to go against him. Okay, and the the big deal there was, because anthony, this is not his real, it's not I don't want to say it's not his real family it's extended family, so so you don't even know.

Speaker 1 17:05

That's how distant they are. No well there was like two.

Speaker 4 17:07

they're in-laws, Cousin-in-laws.

Speaker 2 17:09

Cousin-in-laws.

Speaker 4 17:12

But Anthony was the son of Aunt Donna and Uncle Michael, who were on the show, so it was a family of three and he was just a.

Speaker 1 17:28

No, be careful, he was, he was not. I mean, he was like cocky, cocky, arrogant punk kid was the, he was the mean guy on the show that people like to hate whatever. Yes, okay okay, so you get down to the million dollars and he's in it and you're in it, and what's the what's? How do you win the million?

Speaker 4 17:39

that's really depressing well, it was a series of competitions. It was like you had to get down to the last thing, the thing that was very loud, the safes, the safes, the safes, three safes, were in the middle.

Speaker 4 17:51

It's in between me and Anthony. Anthony got to look inside all the safes. He knew which money, which safe the money was in. Well, that's not fair, is it? It is? Well, it is. So he locked the safes. Then I had to ask him two questions Uh-huh, what safe is the money in? And are you lying? Yeah, so it's it, come it. So the all the, the goal of the game was this trust, well, well, family, trust, loyalty, like, however you want to say, you know. So he's like okay, yeah, the safe is in the, the middle box, the middle safe. It's in there. And I was like are you lying? Goes no, I'm not lying, you're my family, I wouldn't do that. So I'm like, I'm like, and I knew he was lying, I didn't trust him, I didn't believe, but I, he knew I didn't like him. So it's a mind game, right. So I had to pick the middle of the safe and it was empty.

Speaker 1 18:43

But now, because I won everything else, so you trusted him.

Speaker 4 18:44

He didn't trust me.

Speaker 1 18:45

I didn't trust him, but on TV.

Speaker 2 18:47

Perception-wise, he wanted to trust him.

Speaker 4 18:49

But because I won everything else, I had a second choice. Okay, so now there's two saves left it's two states left two out of three saves yeah two. So yes, so two states left and I I picked um the one on the left and and it was empty and the money was in the right.

Speaker 1 19:09

So so he got the million he got the million dollars yeah okay, yeah well, you got her, so I got the wife.

Speaker 4 19:14

Listen. In the long run, when I look back, I mean the whole experience was amazing, it was worth it. I always said the money, I didn't have the money before I went on the show. If I had the money after the show, it didn't matter to me. I mean it would be nice to have the million dollars, but it would be nice, but it didn't matter. I mean the experience that I had. I met life friends that I have now, like all producers, camera people, my wife. So I mean no Well how'd that start then?

Speaker 1 19:39

So the show's over. You didn't win a million. How did you go? Hey, what's up? Was it the wrap party or something, or what?

Speaker 4 19:43

How did that happen?

Speaker 2 19:50

It happened because, as I was as a producer, as I was preparing for the day, for the safe day of all that we sent producers out to take this cast to step. We had to keep them sequestered away from everyone, but we also needed them away from the house, so we sent every all 10 of them, with different producers everywhere. Mike was sent with this guy, Pete, who I knew for the entire six weeks that I was on set in the control room. Pete, look at Mike, what did my boyfriend do? Today, Everyone knew I was like what did my boyfriend do? No, I mean, I hadn't talked to him, but I was just like that girl that had a crush on him.

Speaker 4 20:24

Meanwhile, all everyone had a crush on him and everyone.

Speaker 2 20:33

Oh my God, they still have to come out on the day in Florida.

Speaker 4 20:38

He asked Pete a question, no so first of all we were out with Pete. Pete is another Long Island guy, like total New York dude. Well, I can never say dude back then. Now I say dude because I live in California, but I was always this guy right. And we're talking about the wrap party after the finale. He's like, hey man, he's like nobody ever. You know, they don't normally have cast and crew coming to a wrap party, because after the show is done you don't want to get away from the cast and just the crew parties. But he's like we're going to have this wrap party and you guys are all invited and I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Like, oh, have any girls you have. You know you want to hook up with you see any girls out there you like and I'm like I don't know man, it's like you know we talk about one girl, this girl. I'm like you know that girl, elvie, is kind of cute, but she's just always just not friendly to me and he's like mike, are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 21:25

that's in the bag. He's like yo. She has a crush on you. Man, like she's. That's in the bag. Like you. Get like that. If that's who you, if you like her, done like at the wrap party. You guys are hooking up with her that night no, we did not have you met me, no wait no, so all right.

Meeting Mike on "The Family"

Speaker 3 21:44

So the wrap party come. This is so funny that we're learning this 35 years later so we we got to the wrap party.

Speaker 4 21:53

Um, the weird thing was there was these two other young girls who were my PAs, who watched over me when we were sequestered, and they came over all flirty, flirty with me and I was like, oh, look at this, like two girls, I'm in Florida, what's going to happen tonight? They were like 20 or something, so I didn't know what the night was going to take, where it was going to go. So, jonah, our friend, our friends, like hey, come take a picture with elvia and um, we have that photo which we have that photo, which you can find it online when john jamers.

Speaker 1 22:20

Um well, send it to me, then I'll give the time.

Speaker 4 22:22

Yeah, and um. So I go over to take a picture with elvia and um. All of a sudden, next thing, you know, they start. They push us together in the dance floor. So me and elvie in the middle of the dance floor dancing by ourselves people trying to get people like push us together. And then Arnold Shapiro came over and took a picture of us oh Mike, help me a pose. And he's the executive producer of the show, arnold Shapiro.

Speaker 1 22:41

He takes credit for our marriage to this day. Okay, but then what happens? At some point you've got to get on a plane and go back to LA.

Speaker 2 22:53

Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 22:54

Okay, quick, I know, I know Tyler's going to start another podcast.

Speaker 2 22:57

Tyler's just stressing out which part no, All right so we leave the wrap party.

Speaker 4 23:02

I was like, hey, you should come back to the hotel hang out with me. She goes no, I can't do that. It's all these rules, no hotel because I find whatever. But you know where I'm staying at the hotel. So I get back to the hotel. I find a producer passed out on the lobby couch. I go into his pockets, I take his phone, find Elvie. I call Elvie. I'm like hey. I'm like hey, really, you don't want to come hang out. I could get through security, don't worry about it. Like I'm not worried, let's meet up meet up she's like no, what can?

Speaker 2 23:35

you say no. Well, first of all, the call comes from brian the producer, and so I'm like hello, and he's like elvie, it's mike, and I was like what'd you do? What'd you do?

Speaker 4 23:43

with. What'd you do with my don't?

Speaker 2 23:44

worry about what is happening.

Speaker 4 23:46

Don't worry about it, don't worry about so she's like fine, I'll come to the parking lot, I'll meet there, but you can't get out because there was security watching over us. I'm like, don't worry about security. I went up to the third floor, went through a window, climbed down a fire escape over a fence, down an air conditioning unit, hopped the fence to get over to the parking lot and Elvie was outside in the parking lot and the whole entire night we sat in the car. We literally did nothing. We sat the whole night.

Speaker 2 24:17

And one of the things I said to him.

Speaker 4 24:18

The first thing she said to me and I was like, oh, we're done.

Speaker 2 24:20

I said by the way we can never get married Because Elvio Oliva sounds ridiculous.

Speaker 4 24:26

And I'm like yo. I just met this girl. She's talking about marriage. I'm like what?

Speaker 2 24:30

But I was like, okay, why am I even talking to this guy? He'll leave us Never going to happen.

Speaker 1 24:33

When you were in the car, did you smoke?

Speaker 4 24:35

No, I didn't smoke in cars and so you didn't kiss.

Speaker 1 24:39

But you guys didn't kiss one time.

Speaker 2 24:41

No, I'm a rule follower and it was no fraternizing. We already broke all sorts of rules, Okay so then, what?

Speaker 1 24:46

So then the next day you go home.

Speaker 2 24:48

Yeah, I had to do pickups in New York, and so I was doing pickups in New York, but by then you had called Arnold.

Speaker 4 24:58

Long story short. He called Arnold. No, that was after New York, Because we got caught. That was after New York. I called Arnold.

Speaker 2 25:03

So I went to New York for pickups, like two weeks later, and I had to interview him. Pickups like you, pick up and get some, as we're in edit, we get some bites that we needed and I had to interview all the staff, all the the board of trustees and the chef and the this, and so the shoot was in a in a hotel somewhere in Manhattan, yeah, and he met up and um, that's when he gave me a tour around Manhattan and it was nice and so that's when you, that's when it was like okay, we got to watch on Times Square.

Speaker 4 25:29

He walked to Times Square. Oh yeah, the ABC. The promotions for the, for our show, were on the big screens and in silent squares. That was kind of cool.

Speaker 1 25:36

People don't know is in the war broke out when the show dropped right when Gulf War broke out, when the show was going to drop.

Speaker 2 25:41

It also. They felt like it was not nice to Italian Americans, but it was like right, okay, so.

Speaker 1 25:46

so after that you leave the family, what's your? Any awards? Yet at this point, I mean, I flipped the one.

Speaker 2 25:58

I told you about a few? Yeah, okay, so then you leave family where you go. Wait, do you have all your awards? I mean in the garage? It's funny because I just saw a few.

Speaker 3 26:02

Some of them are up on a shelf in the garage because we've been in like zooms and I see people that have awards up. How come you don't have your awards up?

Speaker 2 26:11

I don't because, honestly, I don't even remember. So I did have to fly to new York for an award that I won and I can't remember what it was for.

Speaker 1 26:16

Okay, so you leave the family. What's the next job?

Speaker 2 26:19

I can't remember it might have been. I want to be a Hilton.

Speaker 2 26:29

Oh yeah, you're the Paris Hilton show. Yeah, that was fun, that was good. No wait, a day patrol who I was an assistant to. She was working on a show and she was like you want to date a guy in New York, let me get you a job and she's like I can hire you on this show. Date Patrol for TLC. And so I worked in Manhattan for a few months, in Paris my puppy was. I left her and the condo and came to New York for six months and then we got to properly date so that was good, so then you did a patrol Then I did date patrol and then I did.

Speaker 2 27:00

Then I did I want to be a Hilton and I was back in New York and by then he had moved. He had we had moved. He had left his job. He worked at a fruit and vegetable warehouse in the Bronx and he moved to the East, to the west coast, and then I got a job again in Manhattan and he was in Santa Monica. It was ridiculous at the beginning and that show was, and then we each got Brat Camp.

Speaker 1 27:23

That one Brat Camp. That's where you're like in Idaho in the snow or something we were at Bend.

Speaker 2 27:26

Oregon in the snow and we lived in an RV for four months during Thanksgiving and we were engaged. So he, as a production coordinator, got to sleep with the producer in my RV, otherwise he would have been in a tent. So I feel like it was a very strategic engagement. And then he got to live in my RV and then that was fun because that was a documentary series. It was serious and fun.

Speaker 1 27:53

And then after Brat Camp. That was fun, oh my God god, I don't even remember. After brat camp well tell, how do you get to be the president of tlc and all that stuff and cnbc and discovery like okay.

Speaker 2 28:04

So after all those show running things, then we got married, after we were engaged and, um, we were. I'm still working the field I needed to get into because I got pregnant on my honeymoon. I needed to change my job where I wasn't living in an RV for four months or living in New York.

Speaker 4 28:21

And less freelance, more corporate.

Speaker 2 28:22

More corporate. So I moved into development and so when you're in development you're working with the production company. I was working with them, Arnold Shapiro was one of them and they come up with ideas. Oh, you know, CBS is looking for this kind of show. Oh, you know, pre-Netflix All these companies, what do they want? They're looking for this. Oh, let's brainstorm. Oh, I found this talent. Oh, whatever. So I started doing development and then had two babies, back to back having that job, and then mom got sick, as you know, so moved back to Arizona, put a pin in the career for a little bit and when I came back I got a job at TLC as the head of development running the corporate.

Speaker 1 29:02

So that was my first job. So what shows did you? Green light there.

Speaker 2 29:05

Oh gosh, Pimple Popper. A couple of them, like OutDaughtered. I was part of the team but that wasn't my specific show, but I was definitely part of the team. Outdaughtered was one of them which I think is still on 600 Pound Live. That was on for a long time already. I don't know it was 500 hours of television that we had to produce. It was fun. You approved 500 hours of television. We had to program 500 hours. I probably had 250 hours of them.

Speaker 1 29:29

Okay so you leave TLC to where? Huh, you leave TLC to where.

Speaker 2 29:32

Huh.

Speaker 1 29:32

You leave TLC and go where.

Climbing the Executive Ladder

Speaker 2 29:34

I moved from TLC to oh. This is when all the digital stuff was popping. Netflix started coming out and I was interested in streaming. Like I realized, like cable, I felt like I'm always like I feel like I need to learn, learn, learn. Right, I'm always trying to learn and grow, learn and grow, and all the apps were starting to come out and all this stuff, so I wanted to get on the digital side. I was really curious about youtube. I had friends that were starting to do that so I went from tlc. I went to help with um. Digital kin is the name of this company that was doing a lot of youtube talent facing um content and so we were doing home cooking and design and it was really fun I did that for a while k-i-n community, and then they were doing a lot, did that for a little while.

Speaker 2 30:15

K-I-N, k-i-n Community and they were doing a lot of stuff for Facebook. Facebook was trying to buy new content, so I was helping them develop and move from idea to selling it. Then, from that, that's when I got recruited to work for Gordon for Studio Ramsey. So they were launching Studio Ramsey. He had a deal with Fox and they had a show called 24 Hours to Hell and Back. That was on the verge of being picked up but they needed to grow the brand and so they brought me on and that was fun because that brought together my all of my show running stuff and all of my production and all my development.

Speaker 1 30:50

And what was your title for Gordon Ramsey's company? I?

Speaker 2 30:53

was EVP of the studio. What was your title for Gordon Ramsay's company? I was EVP of the studio.

Speaker 3 30:57

What was he like you?

Speaker 4 30:57

also created and developed Uncharted.

Speaker 1 31:02

That's the problem. We can't get her to tell us.

Speaker 4 31:06

That's the biggest part of that.

Speaker 2 31:08

Yeah, that show's still going right now Uncharted.

Speaker 4 31:10

that was my. You developed and got that.

Speaker 2 31:12

I was talking about the job in general.

Speaker 1 31:16

So you leave Gordon Ramsay. Wait, I want to know, what he's like. Okay, but we only have so much time.

Speaker 3 31:20

I'm dying to know what he's like. Did you not meet him in all those times? Never.

Speaker 1 31:25

No.

Speaker 3 31:25

I didn't get to meet him.

Speaker 1 31:27

He even jumped on a couple of my Instagram lives.

Speaker 3 31:29

I see his craziness on TV, but what does he?

Speaker 2 31:32

really like he's a family man, he's very he's, he's very normal. He reminded me a lot in the my relationship with him, similar to John Jay. Like I kind of had a training working with John Jay, like the intensity of the strategy, of the, of like what goals they have, like he was he's very goal driven.

Speaker 2 31:53

I mean, when you're at that level, I think you you're, you're one track, mind a little bit so it was very, you know, like you zone in, you focus in on like he was very, like he wanted to grow and a speed that wasn't possible with you know, like it ended up being possible, but it feels like it's not possible. But it's dream big he was. He's a big, but he's also intense on so many levels. He's a great guy like great, like what you see is what you get, yeah, and so I felt like but what you see is the guy screaming and yelling all the time right, yeah.

Speaker 2 32:23

So then when I met him although I wasn't a fan of his, like I didn't know his shows, which I think is partly like I went in with zero idea when I met him, so I interviewed at the Beverly Hills hotel at their fancy restaurant I was like, okay, I moved up To go from corporate TV to move up to work with Gordon was like a different level. I mean, I was on private jets and helicopters and eating the best foods and had the Michelin start and it was an amazing, amazing experience.

Speaker 1 32:54

It was also like 24 hours a day, frantic, but so when I met him, when we had dinner with him, he was really really nice.

Speaker 2 33:00

He's a really nice guy and he has a beautiful family. His kids are all so nice, but so anyway. So my job was to expand the brand. So it's like everyone was like I, from what I know, you're a screaming, shouting idiot sandwich guy and then I sit with you across from dinner. I also sat with Sylvester Stallone. Like I had some crazy experiences and he's like hilarious, loves kids, super, engaging, lovely guy. So it was like how do we get that audience to know that that's who you are? And so that was the beginning of like how do we brainstorm for your brand? And that was really fun.

Speaker 1 33:38

Okay, so you leave Gordon Ramsay, then what Is that? Where you are now?

Speaker 2 33:41

COVID, then it was COVID, so then COVID. I transitioned into my own consulting business because no one could go anywhere Like meanwhile he's doing you know, production and everything shut down. And so I became a consultant and I was hired to help people at the network level navigate how to keep shooting even though you can't be in the same room with somebody. Like how do you program new stuff? Even though at that point everyone was zoom did that change everything, the whole covid thing?

Speaker 2 34:08

oh yeah, it's still like right right now oh yeah, everything, because editors everyone used to be in an office and now no one's in an office anymore.

Speaker 1 34:16

Because they can do the job without being in the office.

Speaker 4 34:18

Editors. That's the biggest fight right now. They will never return to the office again. Editors won't take jobs if they're expected to be in the office.

Speaker 2 34:25

There's really no need.

Speaker 4 34:26

They don't need to be. Everything can be done remote.

Speaker 2 34:30

Which is great, but then it's easy.

Speaker 1 34:32

When you you have like for me at the radio station we have editors. You pop in. You want to be? Hey, can you edit this?

Speaker 2 34:37

but then the popping in is the greatest sitting next to an editor like this, and creating something is really fun, and you that's gone but now they just send it to you. You talk and I mean, it's just different will you edit all this out? Yeah, please kidding editing humor I'm sure all right.

Speaker 1 34:54

So there we are Now. Why don't we get into the new project? Should we talk about that that both of you two started?

Speaker 2 35:00

Yeah, we should you go first? What's crazy is it all has led up to working with people I want to work with, including my sister-in-law.

Speaker 3 35:08

We were saying today like how funny is it that here we are this morning. We started out at 8 o'clock in the morning going through our day busy, all day in meetings and whatever. And we were like what would your mom think right now? And she's like my dad would be so excited about this. He'd be sitting between me and my dad, he'd be totally into this.

Speaker 3 35:34

But so Elvia and Cameo came to you and I and had a presentation and said they wanted to do some content with the shelter and you say the shelter, not everyone knows the love pup, dog shelter our love pup dog shelter that you and I started 11 years ago and um, and we were, I would say, we were excited about it and then, as we started talking and moving through like the ins and outs and all that we it became a different, it became a different business and then it became another different business and so over the last year and a half, it has evolved into this amazing media tech company and so we're love pup plus, using the love pup brand from love brand, from Love Pup Foundation that we have worked so hard to get in the minds of people for 11 years, and we're an extension of that and what we're doing is we're creating an opportunity for pet parents to come to a place where your pet parenting partner, from the day you get your dog gotcha day, through the days, the dog's life, throughout the dog's life.

Speaker 1 36:39

I think it's amazing. I think it's going to change so many things. I just thought have we thought about getting Gordon Ramsey involved or no, just because it's not cooking?

Speaker 2 36:47

He is definitely a dog person.

Speaker 1 36:48

He is Something to put in the back burner.

Speaker 2 36:50

Also, it's a little bit like what to expect when you're expecting, but for dog parenting.

Speaker 1 36:55

So it's Love Pup Plus, love Pup Plus.

Speaker 2 36:58

And we're launching. We have an AI assistant best friend for your bestie named Ginger, because we know Gingers and I adopted a Love Pup dog named Ginger, as you know, who's at your house right now causing trouble, um, and so ginger is all-knowing and we're excited. We're going to launch her soon and I think she's going to change everything are you going to use your dog ginger's face as a?

Speaker 1 37:22

because her face is pretty telling you. You guys type in a question and she's yeah, I don't, she's a little too judgy.

Speaker 2 37:30

I think she's literally Phoebe.

Speaker 1 37:33

Yes, she's a little too judgmental, so I don't know if we can use her, but maybe so when you go back to when you guys were dating, when you were in Manhattan at that time, right? So you have that moment in the car and then you go, you jumped out of the place, whatever. Now you're dating, you have the first date.

Speaker 2 37:52

When was the? When did you guys first make love? Oh my God, oh my God. After our wedding.

Speaker 4 37:55

Our first, our first trip to New York. Yeah, and they got pregnant the first time.

Speaker 3 37:58

How, oh my God, yeah, and they got pregnant the first time.

Speaker 4 38:01

Hotel.

Speaker 1 38:03

You're so ridiculous we crashed into the hotel that is not true.

Speaker 4 38:08

We went home to watch Six Feet Under, and that's what really got us on heavy. But wait hold on.

Speaker 2 38:15

None of that is true. But wait, I'm sure we just celebrated 20 years, that's so crazy.

Speaker 3 38:22

But the thing is that the reason I wanted to do this is because we got through her career. That's amazing. But there are some funny stories that happen along the way, like when you went to. When you went to, what's the gal's name? Vanderpump you went to her house and you did an interview there. Tell us some of the juicy, fun, crazy things that you did. I mean, the other day you had a the Kardashians were next door, right, I remember being Up in Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 38:50

I don't know. I feel like John Jay remembers these stories better than me.

Speaker 3 38:52

Gordon Ramsay lived next to somebody. Maybe that was it. You were at Gordon's house. Oh yeah, he went to Gordon's house.

Speaker 1 38:58

When.

Speaker 2 38:59

Kim and Kanye were together.

Speaker 1 39:01

Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that wasn't for very long.

Speaker 3 39:04

Interviewed her at her house.

Speaker 2 39:07

Yeah, I don't even know. I feel like there's so many random stories, but I think at the end of the day, it's like that's why I love it, because you connect with people that you never would meet otherwise.

Speaker 1 39:19

Like you would never. It's a great. It's unbelievable. I'm glad that we talked about it.

Speaker 4 39:25

It's pretty unbelievable.

Speaker 2 39:27

I'm sure, go down my resume. I feel like there couldn't be anything more boring.

Speaker 1 39:30

I don't even remember, Tyler, was this a good interview? Was it boring? Did you find it interesting? It was interesting. Now you're like okay, and we're starting.

Speaker 2 39:36

Yeah, I know. I know he wants to go through a resume.

Speaker 1 39:41

I've got to tell you a funny story, but not about it's just, I asked you guys something. It just reminded me of something I wanted to tell you guys. So we got the stem cells done right. And, by the way, how do you feel? So with my back? I had all these back stuff, all this back stuff done and I've had like no pain. There's a guy I work out with named pierre. Have I told you guys about pierre? No, pierre is a great guy. He's gone. Yeah, I talked to him to go and get stem cells with us in in mexico in january. He has bad ankles. He had all this stuff right.

Gordon Ramsay and Studio Leadership

Speaker 1 40:11

I don't know how old Pierre is late 70s, maybe. Pierre was the head of John Deere for a while. Then he was the CEO of Citibank I think it's Citibank, I think it's Capital One, one of those Capital One and him and I work out at the same time. He's usually doing physical therapy and I'm working out. So we talk, we hang out, we become pretty good friends and he's always got great advice for me about investing and about whatever and about life. He's a good human being and my back hurt and he's had back issues and stuff right. So I got all this. I've been really careful about what I do with my back, but a couple days ago I had to go to colorado for an event. But that morning the wife and I made love oh god, what is wrong with?

Speaker 3 40:55

you nobody wants to know nobody wants to know, literally nobody.

Speaker 4 40:59

The wife, nobody. Okay, do you have your mask on during that?

Speaker 1 41:04

no, no, I take it off of that, oh my god, anyway, that's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 2 41:08

No, no, no, wait up.

Speaker 4 41:10

So, in the past.

Speaker 1 41:11

I was telling you in the past.

Speaker 1 41:12

I'm like it hurts when I sit down at this dinner table. It hurts when it really hurts. My back hurts after a plane ride. So I go to Colorado, my back hurts. I do this appearance, I get back on a plane, I fly home. Oh, you guys didn't come, you guys came the next day. So that is the next day. I tell you. I go, my back hurts. I think it's from being on a stupid airplane, right, and you start talking about I'm like, wait a second, my back hurts probably from, oh my god, right, from from doing it lake and I'm like I think my back hurts.

Speaker 3 41:41

I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 41:41

Please cut all of this out so I'm like so it's been bothering me because now it hurts a little bit still and I'm like the doctors didn't say no sex, they didn't say any of that stuff. So like I'm like, why does my back hurt? They didn't tell me where are we headed?

Speaker 2 41:53

it goes to pierre oh my god, where is this story going?

Speaker 1 41:58

I'm sitting there working, I'm on the treadmill warming up and I'm starting to do some stretches and I tell pierre, I go, he goes hi, how you feeling like my back hurts? And I go and I explain him the story of the sex. And I explain to him the story, the airplane ride. And he goes, it's the airplane like. Well, how do you know he goes? Trust me, it's the airplane like. But I also I had sex and I explained to him the motion of sex.

Speaker 2 42:22

I'm like that makes sense to me at your back.

Speaker 1 42:24

He goes. Trust me, it's the airplane. I know I've had it every time I ever traveled. That's why I don't travel. If I do, I go first class or I fly private. I just never, ever travel anymore because it jacks up your back. Then I'm kind of like, well, you don't know how out of control our sex was.

Speaker 3 42:40

How do you know? It wasn't our back. And then I'm like he must just stand there, he must not do anything. I'm like Pierre needs to pick up his sex game.

Speaker 1 42:47

Seriously what is wrong with you. Well, I've been thinking about Pierre's sex life since I left there.

Speaker 4 42:51

Maybe he's always standing up His ankles hurt.

Speaker 1 42:52

Right.

Speaker 4 42:53

That's why his ankles hurt.

Speaker 1 42:55

Oh my.

Speaker 3 42:56

God To say trust me, it's the airplane.

Speaker 1 42:58

What is?

Speaker 3 42:58

happening. This took a while To say that it's guaranteed trust me, it's the airplane airplane ride.

Speaker 1 43:06

I'm concerned for Pierre and Debbie, his girlfriend of 12 years.

Speaker 3 43:09

Maybe you need to interview him about this issue. I know.

Speaker 1 43:13

Good lord.

Speaker 2 43:15

What in the?

Speaker 1 43:16

world. A little sidetracked there, but it's been on my mind, Wait, yeah, oh. So then I was like from now on you probably have to be on top Enough.

Speaker 2 43:26

Enough, why Poor?

Speaker 1 43:28

Cam.

Speaker 2 43:28

Jake and Dutch. Did they go through this?

Speaker 1 43:30

I bring it up to them all the time, oh my.

Speaker 2 43:31

God.

Speaker 1 43:33

Oh, my God, Anyway not that part, but I bring up lovemaking to their mother.

Speaker 2 43:36

Okay enough. Oh my God, what in the world?

Speaker 1 43:40

You're having a long time, a long time. How was it this morning Did I wake you guys up?

Speaker 4 43:52

Oh guys out, oh my god no what the weird?

Speaker 3 43:54

yes, you did. What was the weird? That the tantric thing you listen to like whatever what is it?

Speaker 2 43:58

that's why you have to put that on, and why so loud?

Speaker 1 44:00

I used to listen to radio stations in the east coast to see if, hey, there's anything going on and I need to talk about because they're three hours ahead. And then, when I met these gurus and how powerful they were and this chant what is it a chant? What do you call it? It's a. It's a meditation. It's a. It's not a chant. It's what is. What is it? It's a, it's a mantra. It's a mantra and you do it over and over. It's about abundance and bringing you abundance and health. And I and and they say it out loud when she's meditating with this group of people. So I started about a year ago playing it in the morning when I could do that. When I do my weights in the morning and, and then occasionally and I almost did this morning I, I yell it out loud oh dear, but I thought you were gonna have because I did it. If you just tuning in. Well, just explain. I do this morning routine in, uh, an area of our house where there's weights and stuff, and they were sleeping in that room.

Speaker 2 44:50

And I have to.

Speaker 1 44:51

It didn't stop you not even a little bit. So I went in this morning and I did, but I tried to do as fast as I can, but mostly I'm sitting there going, I'm sorry. So I'll make them and I'll do it out loud at various times, but I can't do it at certain times because I lose count, because I'm also, you know, eight nine what if tomorrow morning we start? With headphones.

Speaker 1 45:12

No, I can't why, Because then I jump in the pool and I don't want to get my headphones wet. I have a whole routine.

Speaker 4 45:18

The pool is down the stairs and in the backyard.

Speaker 1 45:20

I have a routine that starts from when I wake up to when I get in the car until I get to the radio station a whole, very detailed routine, and I modified it a little this morning for you guys.

Speaker 2 45:27

Oh my God, that's slightly your OCD.

Speaker 4 45:31

What if you modify that for us this morning? Just curious.

Speaker 1 45:34

I didn't do pull downs, because I think it makes too much noise.

Speaker 4 45:36

We heard that. No, that was the bench press.

Speaker 1 45:40

Yeah, and then I don't. I do Um, I have a whole thing, I do a whole floor series.

Speaker 4 45:48

You know why I couldn't go back to sleep? Oh, you couldn't go back to sleep. So when I was 15, I lived in a real quick story. Sure Golf course across from my house, they always talked about colts being in there. So one night, me and my friends, 4 in the morning, we go out there, they get through, we find a colt doing this whole monster thing.

Speaker 1 46:14

And they were cutting through the grass. Oh, you found them. Oh, yeah, there was. Oh, they chased us through the golf course. Yes, we bolted. Yes, are those? Is that called? Are they pro?

Speaker 4 46:16

golfers? No, they were a bunch of. They used to. They used to find dead animals. That's why we look, that's why we um went searching. So we found them middle of the night. There's, it was called the swamp in the golf course. We found it. We found them. They they chased us. But this morning your mantra and the bench press sound reminded me of that, when I was 14 years old, running through the golf course. So I didn't go back. It was a trigger for you. Yes, you got triggered. That was a trigger. I don't care about your work, it didn't bother me working out until I heard the mantra and the sound of the bench press.

Speaker 1 46:46

Can you find out what that cult is? Does it exist still? I don't know. I mean Brooklyn Colt, golf course Weirdos.

Speaker 4 46:53

The only. I could probably ask one of my friends, my Chris Gordon, maybe If he ever found out the name of the Colt, but yeah, it's so weird on a golf course. Horrifying. In the middle of Brooklyn. The little like V-neck. No, they had the key. It was definitely an interesting evening. I'll tell you what's interesting this podcast.

Current Projects and Love Pup Plus

Speaker 2 47:10

Oh my God, I know why can't we talk about something else?

Speaker 1 47:13

Okay, when we talk about your career now, it's pretty big. As far as I mean, there's nothing hotter in the world than serial killer TV shows, documentaries.

Speaker 2 47:23

Oh my God, that's now. Blake says it like that. By the way, Do you know that what's?

Speaker 1 47:27

your show you have now.

Speaker 2 47:29

So I have a show that I'm executive producing called Unknown Serial Killers of America, and that is an anthology series that every episode talks about a serial killer that didn't get the big headline, like the Night Stalker or the Happy Face Killer. It's the ones that killed and made a big trauma throughout the city, but no one actually knows their name and when you hear the stories you're like, oh my god, I remember that was a headline, but they didn't get the moniker, they didn't get the name that some of these like the bay harbor butcher.

Speaker 1 47:59

There's nothing like that. Do you know about the serial killer that was in phoenix, in arcadia blake, and I didn't even know about it it was on tv, a special on you're saying season two?

Speaker 2 48:08

you already know about this. No, we're about to pick up. I know I'm saying I could do this in season two.

Speaker 1 48:12

You should, because it's fascinating. It is um. It was a. It was a night, nightline episode 48 hours for this dude. They called him the zombie killer, that's his name and he it's so dark. He um killed the girl with arcadia high school. Oh, god and he would hide in the canals and grab them. And first there's a whole thing where he stabbed a woman when he was 16 on a bus, then he did juvie, then he gets out.

Speaker 2 48:36

Oh God.

Speaker 1 48:37

And then he would kill these women, assault them in Arcadia, chopped off her head, no, and then kept it in a bag and then would throw the body in the canal and they finally could find the body. He would change her clothes he had outfits for her Throw the body in the canal and then, about a week or two later, throw the head in the canal. So the head didn't match the body.

Speaker 2 49:02

Oh my God, Because the water yeah.

Speaker 1 49:04

And he did it to three women Right Then Recently In. He did it to three women right Then Recently In the 90s this is in the 90s, but it's recently. He's on trial now why? Because of the appeal. Then they found out what happened was you know how these people that go to these Comic-Con conventions and stuff? Well, he was very much into zombies and he had a cop car and he called himself the zombie killer. He had blood painted on and he would make appearances at all these places, pictures of him and the cops, and then he was killing women I'm giving you a short version of it.

Speaker 2 49:34

Who's doing a show? Is this a show? 48?

Speaker 3 49:36

hours. It was no.

Speaker 2 49:37

No, it was a special on 48 hours oh my god, this needs to be done.

Speaker 1 49:42

I know they've tied him to a girl who was like selling girl scout cookies at 13, knocked on the door, opened the door and he just grabbed her and chopped her up and they put her in bags and left it for the trash man to pick up no see, that's why I hate this.

Speaker 2 49:56

It's terrible. It's terrible. Are the families on trial like talking about it?

Speaker 1 50:00

so the guy we um, um what happened? He, he pleaded, he, he got married, he told his wife, everything Insanity because of his background oh, his mother abused him.

Speaker 2 50:13

Oh gosh.

Speaker 1 50:15

It's so terrible what she did, so because of the abuse of his mother, they're willing to give him an appeal or something like that.

Speaker 2 50:22

That's like what the Menendez brothers were trying to do.

Speaker 1 50:23

I'm giving you bits and pieces of it, but obviously when you do your research and do it, you're going to see that this thing is.

Speaker 2 50:28

It's so heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 50:29

I can't.

Speaker 2 50:29

It's so. It's crimes of opportunity, it's sickos, they stop.

Speaker 1 50:32

So right now you have season one of unknown serial killers.

Speaker 2 50:35

Yes, it's serial killers like this that have happened and terrorized the place, and then people just it's just not in the media and people don't know about it.

Speaker 1 50:43

Like he killed three, maybe four, but it you know what I mean. That's the thing too, yeah that's the good news.

Speaker 2 50:48

At least they stopped him in his tracks.

Speaker 1 50:49

So you did how many episodes on season one, and so are you actively involved, or you have people researching it for you and put it together. I'm already paranoid enough, I know what you're going to say, I know.

Speaker 2 50:59

But I talk to some of the experts and figure out what the show is and develop it, and then no.

Speaker 1 51:04

But that's part of the show To interview the serial killers.

Speaker 2 51:06

No, the serial killers.

Speaker 1 51:11

You have a show drop on Peacock and don't even tell us what do you mean I don't tell you?

Speaker 2 51:14

I feel like I did tell you, I know, I know. I feel like I told you, I didn't know, you knew.

Speaker 1 51:21

You may have sent me like a Don't person.

Speaker 2 51:25

What is that? I don't even watch those. Are you talking about Silence of the Lambs?

Speaker 1 51:29

Mike's always doing Silence of the Lambs. I don't know, maybe I'm tired of it.

Speaker 2 51:33

Oh, I know I can see your beady little eyes. You're so tired You've been talking way all day I haven't eaten. You've been talking all day, why haven't you eaten?

Speaker 1 51:40

I had the acai bowl. You did.

Speaker 3 51:41

You had acai bowl and your let's go.

Speaker 1 51:43

There you go. That's our podcast. Serial Killers Unknown.

Speaker 4 51:48

Unknown Serial Killers of America.

Speaker 2 51:49

Ciao, that's it, that's it. Peace out, it's a wrap.

Speaker 1 51:57

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today, because this podcast is a spinoff of our radio show.