The Johnjay Van Es Podcast

Not Your Average 21-Year-Old: Building Habits, Not Hype

• JohnJay Van Es • Season 1 • Episode 16

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What do you get when a 21-year-old skips college, gets married young, and starts building a life from pure purpose? 

A story that’s equal parts guts, growth, and gratitude. We talk about how a move to Molokai shaped everything, how Lifebook turned self-discovery into structure, and how new tools like Lumen help turn big visions into daily habits that stick.

It’s a mix of real talk, reflection, and a few laughs about figuring out life as you go. Tune in for inspiration, practical takeaways, and maybe a nudge to start designing your own version of “better.”

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.

SPEAKER_00:

So tell me about Hawaii. Oh, it's beautiful, man. I I love it. We um live on a super small island called Molokai. There's 7,000 people, 85,000 deer. So big deer hunting island. Wow. Almost everybody hunts. Um yeah, it's great. Living in nature, I love it. It was a big move from suburban Illinois, like 45 minutes away from Chicago, just west. And I moved there when I was 14. And, you know, being being a young teenage boy is hard for anybody. But it's um if if you move away from all your friends, and it sounds like I'm complaining about moving to Hawaii right now, which I understand, which is ridiculous. But um, yeah, it it it was it was a crash landing, but we we we got there in the end. Do you know all the islands? Have you visited all the islands? Uh no, actually. I've only visited like four of them. One of them you can't go to because it's like a forest preserve. The other one I think is like locals only, you need to be invited. But I've only been to three or four.

SPEAKER_02:

Have you been to Oahu? Yeah. Where Honolulu is? So my son lives in Honolulu, he's the same age as you. Um and I feel that that island has it all.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Like you can and Joe, you've been to Honolulu?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh no, I have not. I've only been to the big island. I've been to Maui, I've been to uh Kauai.

SPEAKER_02:

Let me sell Oahu real quick. Okay. There's a street, uh Waikiki Beach, that has everything. It's like being in New Orleans. It's like being in Vegas. It's one street, one mile of everything. The streets are always packed. There's the Versace stores, the Valenciaga stores, the Rolex stores, every store, and they're three, four stories high. It's crazy. Then you drive 20 minutes away and you're in the middle of nowhere. It's like being in Maui. You feel like you just discovered an island. And that I fell in love with that because my son goes to uh Hawaii Pacific University, plays basketball there, so I spent a lot of time there. We used to always go to Maui all the time. Always go to Maui. My wife loves Maui. I'm like, we got it all here too. I love Hawaii. But how long have you been in Arizona?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh so we don't live here. We just come out here for the the Genius Network event every so often. We we tend to stay a little bit longer so we can get some interviews done at this great facility. We've been here for like a week, maybe, maybe a little bit less, five days.

SPEAKER_02:

And who have you been interviewing?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh, we interviewed Barry Garapedian, who's a part of Genius Network. He's the man uh financial advisor, now turned to basically advising the kids of the people that he advises. He's a super, super badass guy. We are going to interview Mrs. Pardeese. I'm not even gonna try to say her last name. Oh, I know her. She's amazing. She's Madavi. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I spent some time. Is it Madavi? Yeah, yeah. How do my I think something like that. And it's funny because she's a dear friend and I never say her last name. She is not a good one. Because of that exact reason.

SPEAKER_02:

She is fascinating. Very smart. Uh professor, kidnapped. Do you know that story? Yeah, yeah. She's unbelievable. When you I'm supposed to interview her too, but um, she's incredible. Um written 10 books, PhD, the whole works. What's what's your you're so young? Like, what's your story? How did you join the genius network?

SPEAKER_00:

So, my my dad and Joe were buddies for a long, long time. They were introduced through Nathaniel Brandon, who was uh the the father of self-esteem is basically his his nickname. And um my dad had a nervous breakdown like about 30-ish years ago. His dad got him a Tony Robbins cassette. No way. And then um he just went super, super deep down the rabbit hole of personal development stuff. Ended up reading Nathaniel Brandon's book. I think I it wasn't taking responsibility, maybe it was the six pillars of self-esteem, or one of the one of the early ones. And Nathaniel's phone number was in the back, and he said, Hey, Missy, who's who's my mom, you should call that guy and see if I can get on the phone with him. Got on the phone, and then that, you know, sprouted into an amazing relationship. My dad got introduced to Joe, our very close family friend, Pat Gentempo, and Dr. Joel Wade, who is an amazing doctor, or psych psychiatrist, psychologist.

SPEAKER_01:

I I honestly don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

He's he's amazing, but regardless, um, got introduced to basically his lifelong buddies. He ended up joining Genius Network uh a while ago, probably like 10-ish years ago by now, and he got so much out of it. And then last year he said, Hey man, I'm not gonna send you to college. You're not a college guy. I've never really agreed with the education system, I suppose. And he said, I can send you to Genius Network, it's gonna be about the same price, if not a little cheaper. It's you know, at at the time we thought it was 25 grand, but actually it's 35 grand uh a year for anyone who's interested. And um, I said, Absolutely, let's do it. And it's been amazing. Almost everybody that I've interviewed on the podcast has been from Genius Network. How long have you been a part of Genius Network? Uh a year in like two weeks, a year since October.

SPEAKER_02:

You know what I don't want to sound all weird, but you're like a a really handsome guy. Stop. No, you're really handy. You really handle yourself. Like you don't how old are you? You're 21. Yeah, you seem uh like wiser and you really handle yourself. But you're also married. That's really young to be married. What's the story with your marriage?

SPEAKER_00:

So I um when I was 17, I I I always talked to my dad. We're both big history buffs, and he loves to remind me that behind every, you know, really big sort of historical figure that's a man, there's a even better woman or or something along those lines. And when I was 17, I decided that I was gonna get married as soon as possible. Not like the first person that I meet I'm gonna get married to, but I will become a better person if I am married, is is sort of the deal. And I I met my wife when I was 19 and she was 18. We got introduced to uh through some friends in Chicago, and then two months later, we ended up getting married. And she moved to Hawaii. Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02:

And your parents are behind you getting married all the way.

SPEAKER_00:

So here's here's the thing. We met, and then I was like, I think a a week or two into meeting her, I was like, we should go get married. Before I even asked her to be my girlfriend. I was like, we should go get married. Didn't realize that you need to do paperwork and all this kind of stuff. And then um, I took her out to Hawaii, she met my parents, my parents absolutely loved her, and then we eloped, so we didn't tell them, had dinner with my parents later that night, and they saw her ring, I think, and my mom was like, Is that ring on the on the right finger? And she was like, Yeah, it is. And they were very, very happy. We didn't tell them, but they're incredibly pleased.

SPEAKER_02:

So, what do you do for a living to support your new family?

SPEAKER_00:

So we um we're about to come out with our personal development software called Lumen in uh November, and it's basically taking my dad's personal development uh program that he created through that uh nervous breakdown, the generalized anxiety uh disorder that he got called agoraphobia.

SPEAKER_02:

He would carry around this book agoraphobia, isn't that that's where you're afraid to leave the house? Yes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So he couldn't leave the house unless he was carrying around this book of basically personal development strategies, beliefs, all this kind of stuff. He ended up categorizing this book called his life book. And then all of a sudden he's just like running his life by by the book, so to speak. And then a few years later, he looks around and he's like, Holy shit, this is my dream life, this is what I wrote down in this book, this is crazy. A few of his friends come over and they're like, Hey, teach me how to do this. I want to get my life super, super categorized, super clear on my vision, like you did. They did a few marker board sessions. And um, I think you were one of the first people to go through.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, yeah, and I'll I'll tell you this, because this this will this will be hard. I have spent over two million dollars on my business education, more seminars, tons of stuff, recovery work, consultants, uh, lifebook. Uh, I the very first one he ever went through his own program after they turned it into a lifebook lounge in Chicago and had all the software and everything. The and you literally write a book about your life in four days and leave with a beautiful book. It's like insane. And the funny thing was is he was never a marketer, he just figured out like and built a very successful life. I mean, you know, their family is, you know, built a multi-billion dollar company. Uh that being said, though, what I what I love about Justin is he's not spoiled. I mean, there's a lot of young people that are born on third base and think they hit a triple. Right, right. No, you can see that. That's right. That's what and so, you know, very much immersed in uh, you know, challenges and success and stuff like that. And I've known him since he was a kid. So uh, you know, there's uh like truly the personal development stuff they have is at a whole nother level of depth. It's it's not just people slinging, uh selling a ticket on the good ship hope. I mean, it's really deep work.

SPEAKER_02:

But was your father's business already successful before he had the nervous breakdown, or did that happen to you?

SPEAKER_00:

So I'll I'll frame it up. He didn't, he he was a serial entrepreneur uh for the first few years of his life. His dad made, my grandpa made precious moments. Are you familiar with the little porcelain figurines? Yeah. Your mom probably has a million of them. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Are there are those uh they're not airports, right? Are they they're in the malls? I've seen it, I know. There's the knockoff versions of it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my god. I know that name. Yes. Yeah, they got the little teardrop eyes, the little cute, mostly like biblical stuff. Yeah, yeah. So he was a starving artist. He um made a bunch of of postcards, birthday cards, stuff like that. And my dad was about my age when he was like, hey man, let's turn this into a business, let's see if we can find a licensing partner to make something big out of this. They found UNESCO, started making figurines, and then that blossomed into like a I think over its entire lifetime, eight to ten billion dollar business empire, of which we got a small royalty, which was more than enough to keep our family going. And so he he came from, you know, rough compared to what I grew up with, pretty rough stuff. And that's sort of how he got to um his his uh his nervous breakdown just because he was 30 something, I think he was 32, 33, and he had made all this money, but he didn't really know how to create uh something of value. He was he was selling bits and bobs and little figurines and stuff, and he was a serial entrepreneur, he made a wallpaper company, he made a athletic wear company for racquetball and stuff like that. And then he has this nervous breakdown, and the this the solution that he made for himself, he ended up turning into a company called Lifebook, which um his his first idea was we're gonna buy a nightclub venue in downtown Chicago and turn it into a personal development lounge where people come to better themselves instead of inebriate themselves and you know try to hook up with ladies or whatever. Of course, that didn't work out very well. It was a beautiful experience, but we didn't make a lot of money on it. Yeah, it was amazing, but yeah, yeah, it it wasn't it wasn't profitable at all. And then he ended up meeting Vision Lacchiani of uh Mine Valley, and Vision said, Hey man, we should in instead of doing this super bespoke, you land in O'Hare, you take a limo to the lounge and and all this stuff, we should turn this into a$500 course that I can sell online because I know how to sell this stuff. And like Joe said, he's never been a marketer, not super great at sales, but he knows how to make products and experiences. So, all that to say, what I do now is basically we we um there's there's 12 categories of life in Lifebook uh that that he's found, and everybody sort of has different ones, but more or less they're the same. Health and fitness, intellectual, emotional, character, parenting if you're a parent, love if you have a love relationship, um, career, financial, quality of life, and and a few others. And we ask four questions in each category. One, uh, what are the beliefs that sort of dictate your behaviors in this category? What do you believe about this? What are your foundational beliefs? What do you want out of this category? What's your vision in your health and fitness? Why do you want that? And what are you willing to do to get it? And what we realized about a year and a half ago was this sort of data that we now have on people doesn't exist before they go through the lifebook program. As soon as you are at the end of that, you have your foundational beliefs in every category of your life, which is your life philosophy. It's what you believe about life. You have your vision in every category of life, which is your life vision. That is that that is your dream life. It's a vivid picture of your dream life. You have your purpose, which is literally your purpose of living. If you put all of this into AI, it can create you a stellar roadmap from where you are now to where you want to be, break all of your goals down into milestones, break all of those down into habits. And it's it's we're we're calling it soul level data just because it doesn't exist before you go through this program. And once you have it, you can conquer the world.

SPEAKER_02:

I can uh see the uh the seeds of Tony Robbins in this a little bit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's great. It does the brick and mortar building still exist?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh it it it does, but we're not in it. We I I think he got out of it in like 2014, maybe. But you go to lifebook.com?

SPEAKER_02:

Uh mylifebook.com. My lifebook. Yeah. Um the Lumen thing, that's isn't that the name of the company in um So we we spell ours differently.

SPEAKER_00:

We spell it. Separate, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. It's it's Lumen Corp. And that was when we were doing our our uh branding session, one of our one of our partners said that, and we were all like, I think we'll be fine though. I think we'll be fine. It's uh the the way that we sort of justified it was a lumen is is the measure of light, and it's sort of shining your inner light out into the world and making a a reality that is built upon your values and your vision. Do you have brothers and sisters? I have one brother, two sisters. Are you older?

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, you're the youngest. What are the your older siblings doing?

SPEAKER_00:

So my oldest sibling is living on the big island, and she is an amazing homesteader. She's living with her uh husband, two kids, and excuse me, they've made a homeschooling program because that's that's their thing. They love doing the the whole homeschool, um, super like I I don't know what you would call this, but she's she's sort of an alchemist, the way that she makes all of her like uh uh sort of herbal balms and this this kind of stuff. They're super, super dialed in on their health and fitness and things like this. My older brother is uh he has the number one cannabis growing podcast in the world called Growcast. He's the the way that my dad describes it is that he's always been sort of like a highway bandit. He he first got into he made rap music when he was in his teenage years. He then moved to California to, you know, go go to the green rush because everybody was growing pot out in California. And then he got into professional poker playing. So he's he's very, very uh uniquely qualified in rap music, pot growing, and poker playing, which is pretty interesting. And then he he combined his his sound engineering with his with his pot growing ability and then made Growcast, which is his podcast. That's a great name.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's it's um number one personal, or sorry, not personal development, number one cannabis growing podcast in the world.

SPEAKER_02:

But does he smoke weed while he's doing the podcast? Of course. Of course.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and then my um my my older sister is my my second older sister. She is a fantastic artist because I come from a family of artists, and she makes uh art out of trash. She had her first art show when she was 11 uh in downtown Chicago in a beautiful gallery, and that's what she's doing.

SPEAKER_02:

And that nobody's running the business got sold, the the precious moments or the family's old running.

SPEAKER_00:

It's it's the wheels are falling off that bus slowly, and we're trying to we're trying to figure out something. But we're um I'm I'm thinking that me, me and my dad are are gonna take more of a leadership role because he had seven siblings, and him, his brother, and his sister were kind of running it, and he was sort of in in the background. But we we may take more of a leadership role.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, Joe, you and I are talking earlier about the way we grew up, right? And like I always feel, you know, I'm in this radio career where I speak to people, and I don't think I have a flow. I don't know how to talk to people, and you were bringing it up the way you brought up, and now you're speaking everywhere. But with him, this kid's got it. Do you know what I'm talking about? You know what I mean? Like you can like if he doesn't screw up too bad, he'll make something. You got a big, big future the way you handle yourself. Yeah, man. I mean, holy smokes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Like I can't even say that in nice sentences. By the way, there's a book, you guys have brought a book, a lot of books, and I was telling you I've been reading the same five books for years. One of those five books I've read many times, and I think it is just a legendary, phenomenal book. Because when you brought up reading books from the 1900s, I also was doing that back in the day. And there's one book, and I haven't already been bringing it up yet. And if you haven't read it, I suggest you go out and get it. I think it is phenomenal. It's the magic of thinking big.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I read it years ago.

SPEAKER_02:

David Schwartz. I think it's fantastic. And of course, the Norman Vincent Peel books and all that stuff. But The Magic of Thinking Big, I think, is just a legendary book, man. Well, congratulations to you, man. Thank you, sir. So you come into town for to Phoenix for a week, you do a bunch of podcasts, you go to a genius network meeting, one of the and you pull up.

SPEAKER_01:

And the genius youth one. So we we started genius youth.

SPEAKER_02:

What are the rules of genius youth?

SPEAKER_01:

It's uh helping young people get exposed to stuff that they're not gonna learn in college, such as you know, building uh real self-esteem, uh how learning skills, like the first meeting we had Robert Cialdini talk to them about influence. We then took them to uh a bank, uh Zenith Bank, um, and one of my friends is a co-founder of that bank. And uh the CEO taught him about money and finance. Then Mark Tarbell, the chef here locally, who's one of my genius network members, he uh uh did a pizza making contest, taught him how to cook, uh hospitality, and then uh then we had uh a guy named Michael Ravio from uh Optimize that that did a Wim Hof breath class, gave him a tour of their uh facility where they do cold plunges and saunas and stuff, and then we Yeah, they're an Indian school, right? Well, they have four locations.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, do they? Yeah. You know his part you know Jesse? Yeah, yeah, I know both of them. Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, those guys are awesome. Yeah, and so he we took everyone through a cold plunge, and every single kid at the time. I think we had 47 at that first meeting. And uh yeah, and so he 47 kids that are part of this program? Yeah, we we actually have a waiting list from Is it all year long?

SPEAKER_02:

You have stuff all year, or is it like you're here for two weeks?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh week and a half.

SPEAKER_02:

Are you coming back when in another month or two? Like how often do you have to be?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, for for October, because I'm giving a 10-minute talk, which is a another very interesting thing about Genius Network, is that the members are allowed to give talks about what they're uniquely qualified to talk about.

SPEAKER_02:

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_02:

Fascinating. Yep. You know, my wife and I have a dog rescue. If you ever want to tie that into your genius network and in uh in uh giving.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Have people come to our dog rescue? That would be a really good idea.

SPEAKER_00:

They can go walk the dogs. It's Pop Love, right? Is it? Love Pup. Love Pup, there you go.

SPEAKER_02:

In fact, we got a huge event. Uh November 11th, we got we have uh we bring in a couple bands, Gym Class Heroes, Fitz and Tantrums, and we invite you know, the dog rescue business, if you want to call it business, very competitive, but we're not like that. We don't charge people to adopt dogs, our dogs are free. We just fundraise. We had this event at Vertuccio Farms in Mesa, um Chandler High Grad, and we put we invite every dog rescue in Arizona to showcase their dogs, and then we have these bands perform. It's free. We just ask people to bring a donation for the dogs. We had like 10,000 people last year. It's insane. That is all where do you do it at? Vertuccio Farms. It's on Power Road. Oh, okay. You do it at that point. Okay, it's right. It's in Mesa. I think it's more Gilbert, but it's Mesa. But you ever heard of Vertuccio Farms?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh it's I have, but I've got to be a good thing. Yeah, I didn't know nothing about it.

SPEAKER_02:

It's a great, it's a great place. But our rescue is on Thomas and uh 64th Street close to Scottsdale Road. Wow. And we built we started rescuing dogs out of our house, and now we have a whole foundation, and we also help kids in foster care.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, but if there's ever anything you can tie in the genius net worth of No, definitely we could we could we it it would be really good because it's it's about connection and it's it's about I think when you teach young people how to nurture uh empathy and how to really see uh an exposure to people that are uh going through difficult times and let them assist and help, could be animals, could be any situation that that that molds them. And I think in a lot of ways, uh Justin's uh parents, Missy and John, uh they traveled a lot. I mean, you got to see how many different countries you've been in?

SPEAKER_00:

52.

SPEAKER_02:

52. So that's why you're uh you know, you know the world, you're well spoken. You did you homeschool too?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh yeah, for probably half of my life I was homeschooled.

SPEAKER_02:

And you just can't fight against homeschooling and no the whole no college thing is big right now, too, isn't it? Everyone's gonna be able to do that. Yeah, it's getting it's becoming more that way, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

What advice would you give to young people that you have learned through all this stuff that you think is like what are the three insights that you've learned in the last year that you think are valuable?

SPEAKER_00:

Um there's this there's this Hebrew word that I was taught by by Jeffrey Pearlman, the co-founder of Zumba, called Anava, which means uh humility coupled with audacity, which is super, super interesting. That really helped me a lot just because I've I've always been wary to to speak about myself just because, you know, the the sin of pride and all that sort of jargon. But if you're if you can exercise humility as well as exercising audacity, that's that's gonna take you a lot of very, very far places, I I guess. Another one is just absolute gratitude for whatever you have. We we live in the number one best time ever in history to be alive, especially to be a younger person from the age of like twelve to twenty-eight or or whatever. You can basically do whatever you would like to do as long as you can put in the work and make it happen. Um also talk to people. That's that's a big one that I learned from Genius Network, was just That's big. It doesn't matter Dude, putting people on a pedestal is crazy. The the first Genius Network event, the annual event that I was at, I saw Evan Carmichael, who I I used to watch his stuff all the time. He does like um profiles on on personal development people on YouTube. He's got something 4.3 million subscribers or something. I put this guy on a super high pedestal. So I'm going to the bathroom. And I was like, I'm gonna go talk to this guy. Well, actually, my wife was like, you should go talk to him. And I was like, No, he's so scary and a big guy. And then I went and uh went and talked to him and I was like, hey man, was he sitting in a stall? No, he I waited for him outside the bathroom. I tried to be polite. I tried to be polite. Hey man, and and um I said, hey dude, can can I get like a you know a minute? I I just want some advice on my podcast. He ended up giving me five or ten minutes, just giving me some really, really solid insights. And then I was like, hey, can I can I interview you? And he was like, for sure, let's do it. And I was like, Oh my god, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

And you did it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That was my fifth ever uh interview was with Evan Carmichael, which is crazy, and it's all because of Joe. So many things because of Joe Polish. Yeah. I I have a joke that's um at the center of the universe is Joe. Literally everybody that I've interviewed on the podcast, excluding two people, has um either was introduced to me directly by Joe or was introduced to me by somebody who was introduced to me by Joe.

SPEAKER_02:

So get this. I'm a big uh fan of stem cells, right? I go to Mexico and get these stem cells in this one clinic. And I'm in, they're opening up um one in Cabo. So I go to the Grand Open. They're asked me to host it, right? So like Gary Brecca, you know that guy? Yeah, yeah. He was there's a handful of people there. And I was going on that night, the Thursday night I got there, and I was going to get my stem cells. I was gonna do that, my you know, they give you an injection. And I walk in and they bring me to this room, and in the room is another doctor, and he's getting the uh stem cells. And I recognize the doctor from Instagram. I found because I'm kind of into the health thing, and I seen the guy, and I'm like, I go, Oh, hey man, on Instagram, Dr. Pampa. You know who Dr. Pampa is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm from Instagram. And he goes, You know Dr. Pompa? Yeah. He goes, You part of the genius network? And I'm like, What? He goes, Are you part of the genius network? And I was like, you know, I have a little background in improv. I'm like, yeah. I didn't know he goes, Joe Polish? Joe Polish? That's the first time I heard your name. That's hysterical. And I was like, so I got they close the door. I sit and I'm talking to him and his wife and his dot and the daughter, and they're all IV'd up, you know, and I was like, uh, and I go, I'm sorry. I go, I'm I'm and they were like, 100,000? Whatever the numbers were. And I'm like, I go, I'm not. I go, I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about. And since then, that's when I've been pulling back the layers and finding out all about you and your programs, and it's fascinating. You run one heck of a thing, you also have a lot of good people in your program. The people I've met are really solid people.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, yeah, it's it that it's transcended me. I mean, that it's you know, the best thing that I think is be a catalyst and then let other people see, I don't want to be a uh with a saying is I don't want to be a a sage from the stage, I want to be a guide on the side. So I have clients in Genius Network that are way smarter. You know, people are like, are you a genius? I'm like, no, the the only genius thing I've done is is is develop Genius Network and then bring the geniuses there. And you're connecting people, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Connection, man.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, well, thank you both, man. Thanks for coming on my podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

Of course, man, no problem.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you guys. Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.

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