Radio Host Turned Wellness Fairy Godmother. Here’s the Story!

What if half the “food” in your pantry is actually just keeping you tired and craving more? Let's unpack that.

From leaving pop radio to starting Culture Apothecary, we share the real-life health wake-up that changed everything, plus the easy swaps that make a difference fast: raw milk, sourdough, beef tallow, and salt that actually has minerals in it.

We talk red light, travel hacks, and why not every wellness trend is made for every body. No fluff, just stuff that works.

Hit follow, share this with a friend ready to ditch seed oils, and leave a review with the one swap you’re trying this week.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome, Origins, And The Show’s Name
• 2:10 Pandemic Wake-Up And Health Red Pill
• 5:35 Radio Career, Censorship, And Turning Point
• 11:50 Rebranding To Culture Apothecary
• 15:50 Podcast Craft: In-Person Vs Zoom, Field Trips
• 19:30 Family Loss, Glioblastoma, And Motivation
• 25:30 Alternative Cancer Care And Controversies
• 30:00 Hydrogen Water, Red Light, And Hyperbaric
• 36:30 Raw Milk, Real Bread, And Seed Oils
• 43:30 Food Addiction, “Moderation,” And Label Literacy
• 48:10 Eating Out Clean: Restaurants And Hacks
• 52:00 Electrolytes, Sauna, Cold Plunge, And Hashimoto’s
• 56:40 Stem Cells: Risks, Results, And Referrals
• 1:03:00 Integrity In Wellness And Personalization
• 1:07:20 Radio Love, Threats, And Free Speech
• 1:13:00 Late Night, Bill Maher, And Media Trends

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. So I saw you or I met you. I can't remember. It was um at the RFK thing. Like was that a year and ago, two years ago or whatever.

SPEAKER_03: 0:30

Where we held held it at the with Callie Means and Charlie at like some little hotel in Scottsdale. Yeah. Yeah, I spoke at that. Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 0:37

Okay, so I was there and I remember you walked out on stage. I think there were, I think I was standing by a booth you had too, maybe.

SPEAKER_03: 0:44

Possibly merch and stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 0:45

Yeah. And so I was like, what's this? Because I was just talking to your assistant or your social media person of how to say the name of your podcast because I find it uh it's hard for me to say.

SPEAKER_03: 0:52

Yeah, that's okay. Sean Hannity skips it. Every single time I go on Hannity now, he just goes, Culture.

SPEAKER_00: 0:58

How do you say apothe apothecary? Apothecary. And what's what is that?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01

Okay, so before we had pharmacies, right? We had apothecaries. Oh yes. Yeah. And so that was like the original place in a community where you would find natural remedies for healing. Right. And so the idea behind Culture Apothecary, the podcast, which is my show, is that every guest I have on has their own remedy to heal a sick culture. And so we're trying to fix our culture because it's so sick in so many ways. We're sick physically, we're sick emotionally, and we're sick spiritually.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30

Okay. Because now I remember, because I think at one point I had thyroid problems and I got the medicine. It's um, everyone knows this medicine from there, from from apocalypse, apocalypse now. Um what's it called? Armor. You ever heard of that armor thyroid?

SPEAKER_03: 1:44

No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45

Well, it's from I think it's it's uh it's one of those things because they didn't want me taking lavaxothyroxin and all the chemicals and stuff, right? Yeah, okay. So essentially you're you're pretty much also a hardcore health freak.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55

Kind of, yeah. Um, newly, I mean, I'm not an expert. I just completely transformed my life, like, geez, we're probably going on like three years now.

SPEAKER_00: 2:03

Did something happen?

SPEAKER_03: 2:04

The pandemic.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05

Oh, that's what happened.

SPEAKER_03: 2:06

Yeah, it just totally like brainwashed. Well, no, I was undoing brainwashing. I was brainwashed. The pandemic opened my eyes to how brainwashed I was.

SPEAKER_00: 2:15

Brainwashed like how?

SPEAKER_03: 2:17

Just believing that there was nothing to question in food in our food, uh, you know, in America, that pharmaceutical companies wanted what was best for us, that the health insurance companies wanted us to be healthy. Uh, just basically everything that I'd learned about health and nutrition growing up was a lie. And I didn't fully understand that until they started mandating the vaccine. And then I was like, well, that's weird to me to tell people you have to take any medical product that you're required in order to participate in society, basically. And I was super disturbed by that. And so that's like what kind of started me down the rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00: 2:55

Is that how you started your podcast?

SPEAKER_03: 2:57

No. So I had I had come to Turning Point USA with this idea to do a pop culture show in 2019. So my background is in morning radio. I was doing top 40 CHR for almost a decade. I started when I was 18 years old, dropped out of college. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 3:13

Me too.

SPEAKER_03: 3:13

Really? Okay. So yeah, my background is in radio and I loved it, but I was always open about my conservative beliefs. And so no, it never mattered until Trump became president. When Trump became president, I was working for uh Radio One, and that's you know, a very urban radio company. And I was like the only one of the only white employees they had, basically, which was which was kind of interesting. And I was also one of the only conservatives. And so when I obviously in pop radio, you're not talking politics all the time, but occasionally something would come up. I would say something. And so I would get in trouble. I was starting to get in trouble all the time. When once Trump was president, they're like, This is too polarizing, you can't say it. And I'm like, what are you talking about? My, you know, the social media girl, the producer on the show is going off about toxic masculinity and all this. Like, I can't say that I disagree. And they're like, no. And I was like, well, that's BS. Um, they wanted me to host all of these events that I disagreed with, like um, you know, the women's march and all this. And I said, This is, you don't want me to be political. This is a totally partisan event. And they were like, Well, that's not true. This is about human rights. And I was like, Bet, let's pull up the websites like gun control, abortion, open borders, all this. I was like, this is totally a partisan event. I'm not, I'm not hosting this. It goes against my beliefs. So I was always in trouble, and it was like, oh, what's Alex gonna say now? And I was just always like going toe to toe. And I knew this is right before cancel culture became a term. I knew I was gonna be fired for my beliefs, and I really wanted to grow. Like my dream was I wanted to go to Kate Craddock, I wanted to do the Burt show. Like, this is where I wanted to end up. I know.

SPEAKER_00: 4:48

And those are my friends.

SPEAKER_03: 4:49

I know. And so like I had literally I had done everything. Like, I I was doing everything I could to grow in market size because I was in, I'd started in Louisville, Kentucky, worked up to Indianapolis. I took that show, we took that show from like 16th place to first in in six months.

SPEAKER_00: 5:05

What show was it?

SPEAKER_03: 5:06

It was so now that they've changed the format, but it was WNOW 100.9 in Indianapolis. It's their it was their competitor. So we were the first person to finally beat Smiley after like 20 years. Yeah. So I knew I had to leave, and I only knew radio. So I thought it was going to be talk radio, like conservative talk radio. And I was, I was had this idea for a pop culture show from a conservative perspective that I would do on air. And everybody was like, no one's gonna listen to this. Like the audience is very old, male. There's not an audience for this, um, for what you're trying to do. And so I was just really praying about it, trying to figure out that transition. And Turning Point USA reached out to me, which is Charlie Kirk's organization, and they were like, Hey, we love that you're openly conservative, that you're young, that you work in media, we'd love to work together. And I was like, perfect. This is a sign. So I pitched this whole idea for this short format social media show that was pop culture from a conservative perspective. I said, My whole background is in pop radio, I do entertainment news for a living, let me do this. I want to target young women and kind of introduce them to conservative values in a really like non-threatening way, which was, you know, let's talk about Kylie Jenner and her thoughts on BLM, and then I'll just red pill you. That was kind of my idea. And so um, they said yes, started doing that show, and then during the pandemic, I think 2021, they said, let's do a long-form podcast, like your backgrounds in radio, this would be better suited for you. We you can keep the pop culture show, but let's also start doing interviews. So I started a podcast, and then while I was doing that, I started to get red pilled on food and pharma, and I started purposefully picking guests that were experts in this subject. And so I'm like, my mind is being blown, learning everything I'm learning, and I'm sharing it with my audience. Their mind is being blown, my numbers explode, my analytics are unbelievable. I'm like, okay, every time I talk about health and wellness, these women are like eating it up, pun intended. And so I said, we have to keep doing this. And by 2024, so I'd done that for three years, and I just saw, I saw the trajectory, and I said, this is going to be the biggest driver of women into the conservative movement, is the topic of health and wellness. If we start saying that we are the party that agrees with these values, we're going to gain women voters. And so 2024, right before the election, I said it's imperative I have to rebrand my show. And so Turning Point let me rebrand to calling it culture apothecary, that it was explicitly focused on health and wellness. And literally two weeks before I rebranded, RFK comes out and endorses Trump. And I was like, I freaking told you. So then everyone was talking about health and wellness, conservatism, like who's doing that? And it was Alex Clark. And then I happened to have the show that was covering this from a conservative perspective. And so the show blew up, and and that basically changed my life. And um, I had the opportunity to testify at the Senate like a couple weeks after that, and that also blew the show up. So overnight the numbers just went crazy. And Charlie was like, You need to run these again. There's no way this is correct. And we were like, we've ran them seven times, and he couldn't believe them either. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 8:06

Um, is it weird though? Because when you do a radio show, you have instant interaction with your audience, like phones are ringing, but you so you're taping a podcast, right?

SPEAKER_03: 8:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 8:15

So how do you get the feedback? Comments just or there's no call-in, right?

SPEAKER_03: 8:19

Right. There's no call-in on my show. It's not, it's not a daily news show or anything like that. So I mean, we could tape with an interviewer and it doesn't come out for two months, you know. So it it is totally different than radio. I had to relearn a lot of things from radio.

SPEAKER_00: 8:33

Did you have a consultant, some sort of podcast consultant, or you just do it all yourself? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 8:37

Turning point's a nonprofit. And especially back in 2019, I was given one camera girl and said, figure it out. Like we had no idea what we were doing. Turning Point had never done shows before. So Charlie really believed in me and was like, I think you can do it. But it was like, you're on your own, figure it out, you know? And nobody had done a daily Instagram show, which is what I had created with Popolitics, the pop culture show. Nobody had done that yet. Um, and so we tried that out. And it was also the first up and down video format show. So, you know, it was it was uh it was formatted in such a weird way. It wasn't like side to side like YouTube. Um, and so we were just figuring all that out before Instagram reels existed, before TikTok, all of it.

SPEAKER_00: 9:17

Okay, so now like I was actually watching some of your podcasts the other day. In fact, I was so excited to see the the guy that you were bummed about that you had to zoom with, the uh mental therapist guy. I see him all Dr. Amon. I see that dude everywhere when I saw that you had him on. I was so excited. And then I was kind of like though, you were like, look, I don't want to zoom, but this guy's kind of a big deal.

SPEAKER_03: 9:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 9:36

Right? Yeah, I never zoom. I know.

SPEAKER_03: 9:38

I I we have all my uh my guests either come in person to Phoenix or I'll fly to them. Um, and so it's it's just it's totally different being able to be in person.

SPEAKER_00: 9:49

So who who have you flown out to to do interviews with?

SPEAKER_03: 9:52

Oh, just different like farmers or things like that where it makes sense um that I'm gonna be, you know, on a cool location and get to experience.

SPEAKER_00: 10:00

Well, like the the Redmond Sand thing.

SPEAKER_03: 10:02

Yeah, like going to the Redmans uh salt farm in Utah uh this upcoming week. I'm going to Hawaii to do a podcast swap with Bethany Hamilton, the girl who got her arm bit off by a shark.

SPEAKER_00: 10:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 10:12

Yeah. So like that makes sense to go to her. What island is that Oahu? Kawaii.

SPEAKER_00: 10:17

Oh, Kawaii? Oh wow. My son lives there.

SPEAKER_03: 10:20

Oh, really? Okay, and she's taking me surfing, and I'm terrified. I've never surfed, and I'm not athletic at all, so that seems really scary to me. And so yeah, she's taking me out there. So we're gonna do like a little YouTube vlog as well as um do the pod swap. So sometimes it makes sense for social media content to go.

SPEAKER_00: 10:35

And she's like a big motivational speaker, too, I think.

SPEAKER_03: 10:38

Yeah, she does that, and she's also conservative, and she is she's been very outspoken about men in women's sports, specifically women surfing.

SPEAKER_00: 10:44

Right. Oh, really? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_03: 10:46

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 10:46

So when you said you started with one camera, what do you have now? One camera, one person.

SPEAKER_03: 10:50

Ooh, now we've got, you know, we've got a three-camera setup. I've got a core team of five people, um, you know, different editors, videographers, social media girl assistant.

SPEAKER_00: 11:01

Wait, is that part of the five people or five people and you have editors?

SPEAKER_03: 11:05

Those are the people.

SPEAKER_00: 11:06

So with five people, you're able to edit, book guests, social media, do everything with five people.

SPEAKER_03: 11:12

Yes, actually, it might be six now. I think it's six.

SPEAKER_00: 11:14

That's pretty huge. Yeah. So wait, where are your parents from? Where are your parents right now?

SPEAKER_03: 11:18

So my mom lives in Indianapolis. My dad passed away a year ago in December from glioblastoma, brain cancer, and heart failure. He was addicted to ultra-processed food. And I believe that led to all of his issues, health issues that he ended up getting. He had multiple heart attacks. He was very obese my whole my whole life. And then once he started getting super sick and having heart attacks, he dropped a ton of weight. He, I mean, he was so frail by the time he passed away. But we had been told in January 2024 he had the brain tumor, and that he probably had about 18 months to live in each he didn't make it quite a year. So that was a a big fueler for continuing the work that I'm doing and kind of waking up the American people to to the state that we're in with the chronic disease epidemic.

SPEAKER_00: 12:06

You know, my mother died with jubilosoma as well.

SPEAKER_03: 12:08

Really?

SPEAKER_00: 12:09

GBM 4. They told her that she had like six months. We were able to get her to go 18 months, but it was terrible.

SPEAKER_03: 12:17

It's it's such a terrible disease. Can I ask you something? Sure. Did your mom end up having phantom smells at all towards the end?

SPEAKER_00: 12:25

Boy, that is a good question. I kind of I was talking about this recently on this podcast too, that I had uh, I like blocked all that out. It happened and she died in 2011.

SPEAKER_01: 12:34

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 12:35

And it was it was such a like I I was interviewing, I was interviewing a cancer doctor. He was sitting right here, and I had two doctors right there that are telling me about this new stuff going on with cancer, which you'll probably love. Um, and this doctor right here, he says to me, he goes, You probably don't remember this, but I treated your mom. What I was like, what you had no idea?

SPEAKER_03: 12:53

And he came on your podcast?

SPEAKER_00: 12:54

Yeah, he told me in the middle of the podcast, remember that? And I was like, What? Because I mean, we were going to um Barrows and we were doing all that stuff there, and then we we were obviously trying the natural, he was a naturopath, and we were going doing that stuff. So when we tried the naturopath route, uh, this guy, Dr. Ruben, and then he had to remind me. And I was like one of those guys, like, oh my god, that's right. I remember that. Oh my god, oh my god. But I don't remember if the smells, but she went through all, it was just terrible. It was so my father died of a heart attack, right? 66 years old, in great shape, just died.

SPEAKER_01: 13:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 13:27

And my sister and I, we were like, God, that's so terrible. Well, is it better to die like that or is it better to have a long death? And then two months later, my mom gets a GBM and we go through the 18-month ordeal, which was terrible. So you you probably know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04: 13:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 13:41

It was the worst. And now I see, you know, I'm kind of like you where I'm I'm very much into health and fitness and trying to be as healthy as I can, and stuff pops up all the time. Now it's like, you can cure GBM with nicotine.

SPEAKER_03: 13:53

Oh, yeah, there's a lot of studies on that coming out, which is really interesting.

SPEAKER_00: 13:56

Like, really?

SPEAKER_03: 13:57

Yeah, it was um that I haven't shared this. That was one of the worst, the worst things that happened the last time that I saw my dad was he was unable to sleep. He was in the hospital because there was stuff going on with his heart. So what ended up actually killing him was his heart stopped. He needed a heart transplant after all these heart attacks, but they wouldn't give him one because he had the brain cancer cancer. Yeah. And so what ended up happening was in his sleep, he died just from his heart stopping. And I'm so thankful that it was just when he was asleep. Yeah. But leading up to that, he had been in the hospital and they'd put him back in there again. And um, while he was there, he was like in tears, just insisting, he was like, Do you guys smell that? Like it smells like death in here. It's so it smells like like rot and flowers. It's a mixture of that, and um, no one could smell anything. And he was like, It's in my sheets, it's in my pillowcase. And I was like, Dad, I believe you. I believe you that you smell it, but we can't smell it. And I said, I think it has to do with the brain tumor.

SPEAKER_00: 14:54

And um sure it does.

SPEAKER_03: 14:56

Yeah, so something weird was going on with that. Either that or I was like, geez, I mean, this is so morbid. But after he passed away, because he passed away like two weeks after that, and I just thought, man, is there something that happens when you're dying where you start to smell your own body dying? I don't know, that's super dark. But it it's just like those weird things that happen. And I guess with glioblastoma patients, that's something that some of them talk about is phantom smells that are extremely excruciatingly painful and and horrific to deal with. It's like a terrible side effect of the cancer.

SPEAKER_00: 15:27

So he was six months after being diagnosed, but he died of a heart attack.

SPEAKER_03: 15:32

Well, he was diagnosed in January and died in December. Oh so almost a year, so eleven months.

SPEAKER_00: 15:38

Brutal.

SPEAKER_03: 15:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 15:39

So these doctors I had, maybe you want to interview them somebody.

SPEAKER_03: 15:41

I know, seriously.

SPEAKER_00: 15:42

So these doctors that were here, there were three of them, and they have a clinic in Cancun called Immunoscene. And I'm gonna use words I'm not allowed to use because you know the doctors get sued, but I'm not a doctor. Like they literally cure cancer. Like it's I thought I was expecting them to be knocked off pretty soon, right? So they go in, it's very expensive, but they go in and they that you go to Cancun to this clinic for six weeks, and they take, they go into the tumor and they make a vaccine from your own tumor specifically for you. And it's got like a 75% cure rate. It's unbelievable. I saw them, okay. I don't know if you're into stem cells, but just real quick, yeah. I love stem cells. I go to Mexico and get stem cells, and I was at a stem cell clinic opening in Cancun, and Gary Breca was there speaking. They asked me to MC. I was MCing it, and Gary Breca was a speaker, and so were these guys. So just so you'll know it's along the lines of that type. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 16:34

So it's it's legit then. Yeah, yeah. I trust anything Gary trusts.

SPEAKER_00: 16:37

I oh good good. Oh, that brings me to the hydrogen water. I'm gonna by the way, I'm all over the place, by the way, with this podcast. That's fun. I love it. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01: 16:44

I can keep up.

SPEAKER_00: 16:44

Okay, good. So it brings me to hydrogen water. Have you followed the hydrogen water stuff?

SPEAKER_03: 16:48

So a little bit. I just started to learn about it because of Gary, and I want to, so I haven't interviewed him yet. It's just been really hard with our schedules, but it's on my radar, and his radar, we're trying to make it happen, hopefully, before the end of the year. But I want to ask him about it and I want to try his stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 17:03

Okay, so he was pushing for once for a while these bottles, these echo bottles, right? They were like 400 bucks. I bought one and I was doing it every morning. I had part of my routine, but it broke, and I was so pissed that it broke. And then I emailed them and they didn't get back to me. Now I I've heard that they're gonna get back to me. So then I don't see him promote those anymore. He started promoting these pills that you, these little tablets you drop in the water, and it turns into hydrogen water. And I got those pills too. But it just, I'm on the move. I don't have time to wait for the pill to dissolve.

SPEAKER_03: 17:31

Totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 17:32

Then I come across something that you cannot get here in the United States, okay? But it is your lucky day because I it's right here. It's hydrogen water in a can. It's right there.

SPEAKER_04: 17:43

What? Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 17:44

Can I open this and drive? Well, you can open it. It tastes just like water, you can't tell. But it's supposed to be really, really it's it's legit. I drink one of these every day. I found them.

SPEAKER_03: 17:54

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_00: 17:55

I found them in Australia. And I'm trying to get them here.

SPEAKER_02: 17:58

It tastes like water, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 18:00

I talked to somebody, uh, a buddy of mine that, you, in fact, you know the guy. Have you been to Postinos and all that?

SPEAKER_02: 18:04

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 18:04

Postino and LGO Le Grande Orange. My friend Craig, who I had on the podcast, he's like, I'm gonna get these in my stores. And then he goes, I know the guy at Sprouts, I'm gonna get him in Sprouts. And I pitched him to one-stop nutrition to get him in because I want to be able to. It's it's hydrogen water and it's just such a nice can.

SPEAKER_03: 18:18

Yeah, this is really nice.

unknown: 18:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 18:20

Cool.

SPEAKER_03: 18:21

I love this.

SPEAKER_00: 18:22

Because now you just crack it open and go. I don't have to wait 20 minutes. I kind of want Gary Brecker, but Gary Brecker probably come up with his own.

SPEAKER_03: 18:27

I know, right? Yeah, he probably will. Now, this is good stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 18:30

Okay, so do you do all the red light stuff?

SPEAKER_03: 18:33

Yes, I have a red light therapy device at home and I do it 10 minutes every morning, 10 minutes at night. It is probably my number one most recommended. Like, look, these little devices and extra things are not required to live a healthy life, right? But they are fun extras if you want to spend the money and you have fun money to spend.

SPEAKER_01: 18:51

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 18:51

And look, we all have fun money to spend in some capacity. It's your it's up to your prerogative, you know, and your priorities on what that's on. It could be going to the movies, it could be amusement parks, it could be clothes. For me, it's health and wellness stuff. I enjoy that. So I have this device and it is just a game changer for sleep, for skin, um, hair growth. If you're a guy especially struggling with hair loss, oh my gosh, red light therapy is like my number one recommendation.

SPEAKER_00: 19:20

I have the red light cap that I wear as much as I can. I do red light every day for 20 minutes every day. I have a place. In fact, when I started this podcast, I started with my doctor. I was calling it called the Doctor and the DJ. Um, and she's amazing. You would love her. She has do you do a hyperbaric?

SPEAKER_03: 19:37

I have before, but I don't do it regularly.

SPEAKER_00: 19:39

But have you done real hyperbaric? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 19:41

Have I?

SPEAKER_00: 19:42

Have you what do you do the kind where you zip? What kind of what kind of hyperbaric have you done?

SPEAKER_03: 19:46

I'm just in there.

SPEAKER_00: 19:46

But like where? Like what do you go to a place in Scottsdale?

SPEAKER_03: 19:49

Yeah, it's like a what like a wellness center that has all those things. Like you can go, you can sauna, you can do a red light, you do the hyperbaric chamber. Yeah, that's not a hyperbaric. Where do you go?

SPEAKER_00: 19:56

Okay. I'm gonna change your life today, Alex Clark, when I tell you about the place I go to.

SPEAKER_01: 20:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 20:00

In fact, you know what's funny is I tried to get Charlie and Erica to go there, and there was a place that Charlie was going to. Are you in North Scottsdale?

SPEAKER_03: 20:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:06

Okay, it's there's a place up there. I don't know the name of it, I don't know if it's still there, but the place I went to.

SPEAKER_03: 20:11

No, I think I know where he was going.

SPEAKER_00: 20:12

Well, so you have to have a doctor there, and they put you in a chamber and like they lock you in. Oh. And it's like a giant glass tube. And then you go in there for 90 minutes and they take you under, and it's crazy. And it pumps your whole body for the lock. You don't need a tube. You don't need I don't even have to. Okay, okay. It's it's it's next level. Um, and it's off of Lincoln and Scotts Roads called Benissaire. So I go there, my doctor's there, she owns the place, and I will go in there and I'll my trainer's there. I work out there, and then after my workout, I do a 20-minute red light bed. They have the whole bed, like at you know, the kind where you lay down and close it.

SPEAKER_03: 20:45

Oh yes. I need, okay, what is it called?

SPEAKER_00: 20:47

Benissaire.

SPEAKER_03: 20:48

Write that down, Ashley.

SPEAKER_00: 20:50

Benissaire. And then uh, and then on there's and they have physical therapy there, they have uh the vitamin drips and stuff, but I don't do that there. And then when I have time, I'll sit in the red, I'll sit in the oxy the hyperbaric oxygen for 20 minutes because that's supposed to heal your body like crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 21:03

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:04

It's a gauge.

SPEAKER_03: 21:05

Well, and Charlie really struggled with severe back pain. That was something that was he had to have special chairs at work to sit in and and all that to podcast in. That was a huge thing, was back pain for him, because he used to be like an avid runner and he had to stop running. I and then he just started being obsessed with taking walks, but it's just his back was hurting him so bad. So he started to really get into all the like crunchy health and wellness stuff. Although he was very adamant, he thought my raw milk stuff was garbage and he was not on the raw milk train.

SPEAKER_00: 21:34

That was one of the first things I saw you talk about when I first met you or saw you at the RFK thing was this raw milk thing. Yeah. And I'm still trying to figure that out. My son, who's in Hawaii, swears by it.

SPEAKER_03: 21:44

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:44

Does the raw milk, does the raw chicken?

SPEAKER_03: 21:46

This is how our ancestors ate and drank, right? It was just it's just ancestral diet. Like, let's just get back to basics. Let's have real meat, raw food, no pesticides, you know, GMOs. I mean, that's just the that's how we were designed to eat as human beings.

SPEAKER_00: 22:00

So, where do you get your raw milk?

SPEAKER_03: 22:02

You can get it at Sprouts here in the Valley. Yeah. Um, they deliver it and then it it gets sold out pretty quick, but I think they deliver on Friday mornings.

SPEAKER_00: 22:10

I found a farm in um Gilbert that will deliver raw milk right to your house.

SPEAKER_03: 22:15

Oh, well, that's even better, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 22:16

Raw milk. And they also do um the sourdough tortillas, sourdough bread. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, I got I got way into it for a long time. But then I kept thinking, I keep hearing bread is the enemy. You don't want to eat bread.

SPEAKER_03: 22:27

So kind of true. Kind of true, kind of false. The differentiating factor there is you want to avoid bread if it is conventional flour. What we're doing to flour in America, like all the flour that you can buy at the grocery store is trash. I would stop buying it, even the organic ones. What you really want to do is get a flour mill and you want to get wheat berries and you want to grind them. This sounds so complicated and like it's gonna take you 40 minutes. It doesn't. It takes three seconds.

SPEAKER_00: 22:55

You make your own bread.

SPEAKER_03: 22:57

So I don't yet, but it is on my radar. So I had to get through a move and all this, and I had no counter space at my last apartment. I was like, I'm getting this new apartment, bigger kitchen, and then I'm gonna like get all I'm gonna get the bread machine, do all this. So the problem is my dumbass interviewed the woman who was like the leading person on this, and then sold out all of the flour mills. Like it's people have been on back order for months. So this is my own fault. Um, but anyway, so I interviewed this woman, Sue Becker, who's like a powerhouse genius on all things bread. And this episode went so freaking viral. And she talks about that, uh just the food, the science behind why we need to be milling our own flour and how we're taking all the nutrients out of flour. And so it's not even the gluten that is causing people problems, it's actually just the enriched, you know, bleached flour crap. And they're putting a bunch of preservatives and stuff on there so that it's shelf stable and and it's just not how flour was supposed to be. So before you make anything, you're making cinnamon rolls, you're making bread, you're making cookies, you just whatever the amount of wheat berries is that you need, you just dump it in there, and then it comes out, and then it's just fresh flour. And you do it, you use it right then and there.

SPEAKER_00: 24:07

Right, because like the place I was telling you about that delivers the tortillas from sourdough and sourdough bread, you got about two days before it starts turning into mold.

SPEAKER_03: 24:14

And that is a good thing.

SPEAKER_00: 24:16

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 24:17

People have lost their minds. They think, like, oh my gosh, I got this uh case of muffins at Costco and I've had it for eight months and it hasn't gone bad. Guess what? That's not food.

SPEAKER_00: 24:26

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03: 24:27

That is not food. I don't know what you're eating, but it isn't food. Your bread, your cookies, your baked goods, whatever you're buying, it should go bad. It should grow mold after a short amount of time. That's how you know it's living, breathing, real food that is fueling your body. If your food does not get moldy and it's been sitting on your counter for months, even years, people, my chiropractor has a case of muffins that he's had since 2018. And there's no mold. That's how you know you're eating dead food. And so you're like, what is that doing to my body? And then everybody's like, I'm so sick, I'm so tired all the time. I guess this is normal because everyone in America feels this way. No, we weren't supposed to feel this way. You're supposed to feel great and have high energy and keep up with your kids and your grandkids, and you're not supposed to feel old until you're dead. That's when you're supposed to start feeling old. You're supposed to enjoy your retirement. You're not supposed to be on 12 different medications in your 50s. You're not. That is an exclusively American way.

SPEAKER_00: 25:24

Right, right. Uh, your chiropractor here in Arizona?

SPEAKER_03: 25:28

Yep. Chandler, Dr. Mike Pierce, Empower Family Chiropractic. And he's so cool because he will You go all the way to Chandler for a chiropractor? Because he's that good. And yeah, it is like a 45-minute drive, and I'm always late. You can ask their staff. Um, I and I'm going there actually right after this. I love them. Um, and it's because he goes so uh far above and beyond just adjustments. So yeah, you can go in there and get cracked. Chiropractors hate when you say that word, but I love it. I'm a crack addict. Um, he will take you grocery shopping and stuff and teach you how to grocery shop. He will teach you how to read ingredient labels. He will they have a whole case in their office of all these empty prescription bottles of people who have been able to change their life holistically in all these ways. And they're able to put the empty bottle there and be like, I'm done. It's over.

SPEAKER_00: 26:10

Yeah, a lot of chiropractors, like I think Gary Brecca was a chiropractor.

SPEAKER_03: 26:13

Yeah. Well, because they're the ones that are trained in understanding your whole body, how all these systems work together, you know, being more natural. And then you had John Rockefeller came came along and he was like, ooh, let's convince Americans that chiropractors and herbalists and naturopaths and all these people are quacks. Midwifery is quackery, midwifery is quackery. And then we're gonna just tell them that we all need prescription pills because he had all these oil byproducts he needed to put somewhere. So this is like a super sick and twisted whole fiasco.

SPEAKER_00: 26:45

Do you try things um that are different and new without knowing about it or researching it? Or do you like do you have back pain? Is that why you see the chiropractor?

SPEAKER_03: 26:54

Um, I just will get like super stiff and everything, and I I think it's just good for you. And I also think that it it'll help um when things are misaligned. So different areas of your spine and your neck connect to different organs in the body. So, like, let's say you're constipated, you probably need an adjustment, and then you'll poop like that. It's like incredible because um things are off, and then your body isn't able to communicate to those organs for them to work effectively.

SPEAKER_00: 27:18

There's a guy I know, so I I'm I'm into I'm into the anything, I'll try anything. And there's a guy I met, this is so crazy. He's like one of three people trained in the country to do this, and it's like so illegal, I guess. But he has a chiropractor, he has a table, and I've done it, and a buddy of mine does it once a week. Uh-huh. And you lay down on this table and he straps you in and he cranks his table and he massages your back. It takes about an hour and a half of the process, right? And you got to put a mouthpiece in, and he puts this thing on. I got videos I'll show you because I've done it. And then you relax, it's like a I don't know what you would call it, but at some point he relaxes your body and pulls the bottom part, and your whole spine goes, Yeah, it's decompressing your spine.

SPEAKER_03: 27:58

It's not a fine. And it's basically the the biggest adjustment ever at once.

SPEAKER_00: 28:02

It's like for a second you think you're gonna die. Totally.

SPEAKER_03: 28:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 28:04

You think you're gonna die. And the guy, he's a real estate agent and his office is in Chandler, and he has it in his back office, and only his friends know about it.

SPEAKER_03: 28:12

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00: 28:12

I've taken a couple people there. It's a little bit, it's a little different, but you know what?

SPEAKER_03: 28:18

I think like those are my people when they're like everything I want to do is illegal. Yeah, those are my people.

SPEAKER_00: 28:23

Wait, so wait, what was to me? I'm like you said, you follow me, I'm all over the place. Um, so your dad saw some of your success before he passed.

SPEAKER_03: 28:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 28:30

So he was pretty excited.

SPEAKER_03: 28:31

He was so proud of me, and he was uh like the type of person who would every time he'd be out to eat or something, he'd be like, Do you know who my daughter is? So that was super nice. But I was like, Dad, why don't you start kind of following some of the stuff I talk about? And he just was my dad was, and I get this from him, he is so stubborn, was so stubborn. And so he just didn't want to change. I mean, leaving the hospital after getting his brain tumor removed, he the first places he wanted to go was Pizza Hut and Chick-fil-A. And I was like crying, pleading with him. I was like, Dad, I will literally make you pizza, I will make you chicken nuggets, but it's just gonna be made without silly putty and crap ingredients. And uh it was like, oh no, just you know, just one time. And and so I think that is an important point is that most, you know, he's like, it's just this one time or whatever. And I'm like, no, it isn't just this one time. Most Americans are eating dead fake food the majority of their meals and multiple times a day and multiple times a week. Almost 70% of the standard Americans' diet now is ultra-processed food. Okay, it's not real whole food. And that is what is causing all of these problems. And so my dad was in this mindset of everything in moderation. You probably hear that a lot. I hate that saying. That saying is garbage and it's killing people. And I think that if you tell your loved one it's okay, everything in moderation when it comes to their food, you it is a death wish. For your loved one, because the truth is in America, there is no such thing. There's no, you don't want any poison in moderation. If I told you, well, your kid can drink bleach, it's okay in moderation, you'd be like, no, that's poison. But if I explained to you that uh, you know, monodiglycerides are basically trans fats and and and le you know, contributing to heart disease and heart attacks in your food, and you're eating those, you you know, would you still want to eat those in moderation? No, we stay away.

SPEAKER_00: 30:26

Well, it's like with plastic in the water now. Yeah. Right, right. Are you do are you uh one of those people?

SPEAKER_03: 30:31

Anti-tap water. I'm the person at going out to eat to dinner that I'm like, we have to have bottled, bottled still or bottled sparkling. I'm not eating that.

SPEAKER_00: 30:38

I carry bottled water with me mostly wherever I go. Glass, glass bottles, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, right. Um, so I was gonna tell you with my mom, uh, we when we look back at everything, because we didn't know in 2011 what was going on, but it was with her, Diet Coke and Sweet and Low. She always had Sweet and Low with her. Like I'm positive that's and see all that aspartame.

SPEAKER_03: 30:56

I think that's I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 30:58

There's a guy by the name of Dr. Ted Brower. You ever heard of him?

SPEAKER_03: 31:01

No.

SPEAKER_00: 31:01

He I saw him speak in 1989 with the first George Bush. And he came out and he's this guy's unbelievable. This guy is so far ahead of his game. If you could ever talk to this guy, he's a hardcore Christian. He comes out, he he he gets on stage, he says, He does the 10 foods you should never eat. In 1989, he was like shellfish, aspartame, uh, salami. He went, I God, I can't remember what else it was, but he had all this 10 things alcohol, smoking, 10 things never to do. And over the course of the year, since 1989, I've seen these things come up, and he was the first one to ever talk about it. He has a freaking he's a little crazy, but I mean, everywhere I remember I've had him on my show before, and he walks around with a gun all the time. Because he lives here? No, he lives in Florida. Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 31:48

I was gonna say, because you know, you can open carry in Arizona.

SPEAKER_00: 31:51

Well, the first time I saw him, he's you know, he parks his bus outside, his motor coach outside, then he comes in, sets his gun down, ready to do an interview, and you're like, whoa. You know. For you being so public and open about stuff, how do you handle threats? Because you must get them.

SPEAKER_03: 32:05

Yeah, so after Charlie died, I got more death threats than I've ever gotten in my entire what, I don't know, what am I at now? 15 year career. I started my career in 2012. I don't know. What am I? I I'm horrible at math. But um, yeah, so I've been working in media for this long. I don't I've maybe gotten like one death threat. I and then all of a sudden now I'm getting them I have to check daily and then send those all over to the security team and you know, they do with that, whatever they're doing.

SPEAKER_00: 32:32

But does it bother you? Or I mean, does it like does it change anything? Does it make you want to say anything different? Like you're gonna stick to your true values, your beliefs.

SPEAKER_03: 32:40

No, I'm s I'm saying the same things. That is exactly what Charlie taught all of us that have worked with him, you know, and I've worked with him for over six years. And um that was my first, obviously, that was my first human instinct when he got shot later that night. I was talking to a bunch of other people in the industry, Brett Cooper, Ali Stuckey, like just different conservative commentators that are my peers, and I was like, I think we're done. Like, I think we're done. We can't do this, like they're killing us. And they tried to kill the president, and that didn't work multiple times. And then moved on to kill Charlie. And you know, Charlie was the best among us by far. And so I think all of us were like, we have to be done. I mean, they all are married with kids and have families to think about, and then about a day later, we all like text each other again. We're like, oh no, we have to keep going. Like Charlie would want that. He would be so upset and angry if we said we were giving up.

SPEAKER_00: 33:36

Do you think you might take over speaking at the colleges? No. No. I mean, I I mean you could hang you could you could totally hang.

SPEAKER_03: 33:42

No, I couldn't, I couldn't. That's the thing. That is such a special talent. And actually, when I first think you have it. No, I don't because the thing is, debate is not my forte. I mean, I have strong beliefs and I'll share my beliefs, but I don't you have to be you would just have to be on another level smart and to go toe-to-toe and like have all these facts like in the back of your mind. I'm the type of person that's like, let me answer that, but I'm gonna need a minute to like look some stuff up. And that doesn't play well when you're doing like rapid fire Q ⁇ A. Um, but I do speak on college campuses. So there's like a Rolidex of people that are within the you know, speakers bureau with Turning Point USA, and we do go talk to colleges, but it's like a planned talk, like have a written speech and stuff. Um, so I do that, and I right now it's been different because of Charlie dying. So I'm talking a lot about that. But otherwise, you know, I stick to like health and wellness topics and maha, make America healthy again. And then um, we do have people though that are gifted in that that have kind of agreed to take up the torch and help us out by doing different tour stops. So, like JD Vance, the vice president, is doing one. Uh uh Ali Bestucki, who I mentioned, Glenn Beck, Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, so Ben Shapiro, they're all doing different stops. Um, and then they're doing QA's to kind of you know pick up the microphone, so to speak. But nobody's trying to replace Charlie and nobody will replace Charlie. That's he's you know, he's one and only. Um, and so now I just think that's probably what it's gonna look like is turning point USA doing campus tours every semester on college campuses and just having different guests kind of fill in and do those.

SPEAKER_00: 35:04

What do you do when you want to eat junk food?

SPEAKER_03: 35:06

I don't ever want to eat junk food.

SPEAKER_00: 35:07

You don't ever crave ice cream or candy bar?

SPEAKER_03: 35:10

So, okay, I never eat fast food. I will eat those things, but they're real ingredients. So I love ice cream. There's great brands that it's just real ingredients in there. There's no like Xanthem gum, guar gum, you know, like what?

SPEAKER_00: 35:25

Like what brand? Like graters. Have you had greater's ice cream?

SPEAKER_03: 35:27

Oh my gosh, so funny you bring that up. So where I I grew up in the Midwest, so I am a Graters fanatic. I never hear people talk about graters. That's Oprah Winfrey's favorite ice cream.

SPEAKER_00: 35:35

I lived in Cincinnati for a while. We had graters all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Freaking drive-thru graters. Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 35:40

Graters is my number one favorite ice cream that nobody knows about, unless you live in the Midwest. But I uh I've never I don't know what their ingredients are, so I couldn't tell you. But in the grocery store, Strauss organic ice cream is phenomenal. Alex A-L E C S ice cream is phenomenal, and ice cream for bears is probably like one of the best. Um, and so if you're at like a Sprouts or a Whole Foods or a Fresh Time, depending on where you live, um, you can usually see if they have those brands.

SPEAKER_00: 36:08

So you were like this before your dad got sick, before COVID.

SPEAKER_03: 36:11

I started in 2022, 2023 is when I started to really like go crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 36:19

But have you seen a change in your skin, in your body?

SPEAKER_03: 36:22

I if I pull up pictures of me in like 2021, my face looks so inflamed. I look like a completely different person. Like I look like somebody, like a balloon animal, and somebody just pumped me up full air. I look totally different. Now I was I've always been thin, I've always been petite, but you can still see the inflammation for sure. There's a huge difference.

SPEAKER_00: 36:39

So if you're in a restaurant, like you're meeting some friends at a restaurant and they bring out the chips and salsa, how do you say no to that? I just say that because that happened to me two days ago, and I'm so pissed I ate the chips and salsa.

SPEAKER_03: 36:49

I will have chips, I'll have chips and salsa. I'm careful about what my main entree is that I'm ordering. You know, I'm not ordering anything fried that's typically going to be seed oils. I'm ordering some sort of protein and vegetable side item. So if I'm ordering a steak, for example, I'm asking them, and if you're going to a nice restaurant, they will do this. Like if you say, Hey, I have an allergy, can you please cook my steak in only olive oil or butter or beef tallow? They'll be like, sure.

SPEAKER_00: 37:15

Well, I saw you put um, I think it was today in your social media, The Ends. Yeah. I've eaten there before.

SPEAKER_03: 37:20

Oh, the ENS is fantastic. Tommy, who's the owner there? If you ever visit Scottsdale, you have to go to the ENS. Totally seed oil-free, beef tallow french fries. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 37:28

The French fries are crazy.

SPEAKER_03: 37:30

Great food. Right. Oh my gosh, the biscuits there, insane. Right.

SPEAKER_00: 37:33

It'll melt your face off so good. Yeah, that place. Where else do you go to eat around here that's healthy or that you that fault fits in your description?

SPEAKER_03: 37:40

Um, obsessed with this place called Amelia's.

SPEAKER_00: 37:43

Oh, yeah, I've been there.

SPEAKER_03: 37:44

Yep. That's really good for whether you want to go work there and have a coffee or something, everything's organic, everything's seed oil free, or you can have lunch or dinner there, and it's so good. They also have amazing gluten-free pastries, which are.

SPEAKER_00: 37:55

Is that where they have all the charcuterie? They bring it out in the yeah, I believe so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 37:59

Um, I think Georgian Gather and Chandler, that's a brand new seed oil-free restaurant that's super good. They also you can buy raw milk in there and stuff. They have all kinds like a little store connection.

SPEAKER_00: 38:08

No, there's a butcher shop on the on your way. Um, have you been to Arcadia butcher shop? Have you heard of it? I it's Indian School and 40th Street, and they have organic milk. They have all the steaks, all the everything. It's a it's a about the size of this place, and it's just full of all the things you as a matter of fact. I interviewed, have you met a certified health nut yet? Have you talked to him?

SPEAKER_03: 38:28

No, but I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00: 38:29

He's the one that told me about it. And I went in there and it was like, wow, we just bought everything we could find.

SPEAKER_03: 38:33

Okay, love that. I'm gonna have to check that out. Yeah. Uh, and then I like uh Aubergine Kitchen. We have that now in Mesa.

SPEAKER_00: 38:42

Okay, now I haven't been there.

SPEAKER_03: 38:43

That's good. We obviously we have true food. Scottsdale is the flagship True Food.

SPEAKER_00: 38:47

So you think True Food is healthy?

SPEAKER_03: 38:49

Oh, it's extremely healthy. They just went completely seed oil free. Oh, did they?

SPEAKER_00: 38:52

Okay, because I had somebody tell me that they pretend to be healthy, but they're really not. I'm a true food fan.

SPEAKER_03: 38:57

True food is excellent. True food is seed oil free. There are um a lot of organic options, grass-fed, uh grass-finished beef, like sourdough pizza. It's great.

SPEAKER_00: 39:06

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_03: 39:07

Yeah. They have or some organic wine options, they have different adrenal mocktail type of drinks and electrolyte drinks and stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 39:15

Do you do electrolytes? Yes. Which ones?

SPEAKER_03: 39:17

I so I love my friend Taylor Duke's Wellness. She has a company, and so I do the Taylor Duke's Wellness electrolytes. I also like the Redmond salt electrolytes a lot.

SPEAKER_00: 39:25

Redmond salt, I just did this thing. Have you met Jesse Itzler yet? Do you know who he is? Jesse Itzler?

SPEAKER_03: 39:30

You know all these people. You need to give me a list of people I need to have on my show.

SPEAKER_00: 39:32

I will, I will. I I will, because he I'm he I'm he's booked on my show the next time he comes to Phoenix. But he is the guy, his wife invented Spanx. Oh Spanks? Wow. And he is this guy.

SPEAKER_03: 39:42

Then maybe that uh his name sounds familiar to me.

SPEAKER_00: 39:44

Maybe that's why he's got like curly hair and he's always he's got a company where he's running man, he's running, he's he's uh he does saunas. Do you do sauna?

SPEAKER_03: 39:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 39:52

Yeah, I do sauna. I did sauna before I came here. Do you cold plunge?

SPEAKER_03: 39:55

No. I so my hot take, my hot take on cold plunges is women shouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00: 40:00

I've heard that before, too.

SPEAKER_03: 40:01

I do not think women should do it. It is like a very, very small amount of women that should be doing it. And I have Hashimoto's. I have an autoimmune disease, so I really like I run cold. Um, it's really important for me to eat warming foods and be in warm environments, which is great for Phoenix. So I do not think cold plunge would be good for me. So I won't do it.

SPEAKER_00: 40:18

Okay, wait, I want to get to your auto your autoimmune disease. So you have Hashimoto's, which means what?

SPEAKER_03: 40:23

Like my thyroid is attacking itself or something.

SPEAKER_00: 40:25

And you've tried all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 40:27

Yeah, so like I'm supposed to be gluten-free, um, you know, be being careful about different foods that are coming up as like reactions to me, um, having a lot of rest, ideally staying away from dairy too. I'm not great about that.

SPEAKER_00: 40:41

I have you researched stem cells.

SPEAKER_03: 40:44

I have interviewed somebody, like we briefly talked about it in an interview, but I've been kind of scared because here's the thing about stem cells Dr. Hyman and Dr. Axe both had like catastrophic, horrific.

SPEAKER_00: 40:57

Dr. Josh Axe?

SPEAKER_03: 40:58

Yeah. Stem cells.

SPEAKER_00: 40:59

Again, I'm about to change your life.

SPEAKER_03: 41:01

Okay. So see, I hear people like you and then uh my friend Brigham Bueller, like, these people swear by stem cells. But Dr.

SPEAKER_00: 41:07

X got fixed by stem cells.

SPEAKER_03: 41:09

No, I think he got almost paralyzed, dead.

SPEAKER_00: 41:11

He did. He went to the wrong clinic. And then he went to the right. So that place I spoke at where I was the MC and Gary Brecker was there, Josh Axe was speaking there too. And he told the whole story, had pictures of everything. He was like paralyzed from some horrible thing that happened.

SPEAKER_03: 41:24

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00: 41:25

Then he went to the clinic that I went to, that Gary goes to, and he's fixed.

SPEAKER_03: 41:29

Oh, well, maybe I should go do that then.

SPEAKER_00: 41:31

You should talk to, but let me tell you this. So I have a friend of mine, he's 34 years old. Great guy, he's actually my trainer. He's had um ulcer colitis and pancreatitis since he was 16 years old, which is an autoimmune disease. And he he was there's like two times a year, he goes to the hospital for about a week. He's got to take he's on all these meds for his whole life since he was 16. I talked him into going with me to Cancun. So the clinic I'm I'm about to tell you about, and and I get nothing. I just I promote uh what I believe in.

SPEAKER_03: 41:58

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00: 41:59

Um he went they opened one in Cabo. That's where I was at at the grand opening of that one where all these speakers were at. And they I took him to Cancun. He goes to Cancun and he gets it's a IV drip of about 200, 300 million um stem cells. And they're umbilical cords that they're mesenchymal stem cells, they're they're not allowed here in the United States. You can only get them other places. People go to Panama, Columbia, everywhere. He does it in Cancun. And right after the drip, the doctor says to him, I'm gonna take you down here and get some Mexican food. He goes, I can't eat the Mexican food because my stomach. The doctor goes, you'll be fine. He ate the Mexican food. It's been two years. The dude has been off meds, totally fine and healthy. And I what I found out is the number one thing stem cells are used for is for autoimmune disease. Like, I bet you you go down there.

SPEAKER_03: 42:43

I need to do this. I love this idea.

SPEAKER_00: 42:44

It's a game changer. Okay. It's a game changer. I'm gonna introduce you to these people.

SPEAKER_03: 42:48

Please, yes.

SPEAKER_00: 42:49

I'm gonna in fact, uh these guys have been on Gary's podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 42:54

Oh, great. Well, maybe I should have them on then to do a stem cell episode.

SPEAKER_00: 42:56

You could have them on. The guy's amazing.

SPEAKER_03: 42:58

Okay, let's do it. Let's set that up.

SPEAKER_00: 43:00

Yeah, uh Rafael Gonzalez, the company's called Rehealth. Uh, he's based in LA, but he owns the clinic in Cabo and in Cancun. Great guys. I in fact.

SPEAKER_03: 43:08

And so when you go, how long do you stay down there?

SPEAKER_00: 43:10

Well, it depends on what you like. You could go down there and just get a drip and be up and back in two days. You probably need two days because they probably do half a drip since your first time. You do half of the drip the first day and then the second half the second day. But like we were talking about Charlie's back pain. I have uh I got an MRI and my L5 is all screwed up. My doctor says you need to get stem cells. I went down to Cancun and I had to go to the hospital, and they put me under and they injected my spine. They put drilled holes into my spine and they put stuff in my membrane and all over the spine, 65 shots, and then I had another drip of IV of uh stem cells, and I'm totally fine.

SPEAKER_03: 43:46

What does it feel like when you're getting it done?

SPEAKER_00: 43:48

Well, just like an or you ever get an IV drip of vitamins? Yeah. That's what it feels like.

SPEAKER_03: 43:51

But do you feel like energized after you do stem cell therapy or whatever you call it, or do you feel tired?

SPEAKER_00: 43:57

I don't feel different, but a couple of my friends that have that have gone with me or done it on their own. They one of them like says he just can't stop eating. He's eating. In fact, he started he started taking a peptide to calm down his eating. Uh other people say it doubles and triples their weight when they're lifting weights. Whoa. They got stronger. My doctor, she was like, she goes down there and she does it, and she says that her her body fat goes down. I think it's different for everybody.

SPEAKER_04: 44:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 44:19

But it's like from it again, without doctor terms, it's like it doesn't know what it is yet. So it goes into your body and it just starts fixing things.

SPEAKER_03: 44:28

I need that.

SPEAKER_00: 44:28

It just starts fixing things because it didn't know what it is yet.

SPEAKER_03: 44:30

Yeah, I hope it, I hope it does something to my mental brain.

SPEAKER_00: 44:34

Save this tape. I'm gonna play it back for a year from now when she's healed.

SPEAKER_02: 44:38

Yeah, I'd love that.

SPEAKER_00: 44:39

I'm telling you, this place is it's it's amazing. And in fact, one of the things I've I've seen, there's these speakers in the biohacking world that go on and they say, drink this water, do this red light, get sunlight. The one thing they don't talk about is that almost all of them go against stem cells.

SPEAKER_03: 44:55

That's some tea right there.

SPEAKER_00: 44:56

I know it is. I know. There's things I can't say because of a HIPAA, or I don't know, I don't think you betray people's trust, but there's so many people I know that go down there that are publicly speaking about health and nutrition, and that's the one thing they don't talk about.

SPEAKER_03: 45:09

Well, why not?

SPEAKER_00: 45:10

I don't I don't know, maybe because it's illegal, or maybe because because then they can't sell the product that they're pushing. Because it fixes everything. I think it's the miracle.

SPEAKER_03: 45:18

No, see, I'm all about, you know, it's important to have integrity in this space because we're going up against a behemoth, right? With just the current medical complex and what we've been dealt for the last 50 years, which is we've we're we've never been sicker. So we're going up against that. We're trying to gain people's trust back. So I'm like, look, if you're in this space and you're doing stem cells, you're doing whatever, uh let's talk about all the things that we're doing if we're if it's working for us and it's serving us and we're feeling well. And also, you know, on the other side of that is I think it's important to let the public know you have to do what's best for you. And it's most important to listen to your own body. So, you know, you drinking dairy might make you feel super sick and your stomach hurt because you've got a severe dairy allergy, even though like raw milk makes somebody else feel like a million bucks. You have to listen to your own body. You can't just say Alex Clark does this or or Gary Brecker or John Jay does this. Like, you can't do that and then just expect it's going to work for you. Because people always want to know like the supplements I take. I'm like, I'm not telling you because I know you're gonna go out, you're gonna buy every single supplement I'm taking, and then you're gonna end up like effed up. And I don't want to be blamed for that because this is real stuff. I mean, this is this is medicine and healing medicine that works if you have the exact same problems as me, which you don't. So you've gotta go meet with somebody, not just a social media influencer, a a trusted functional medicine doctor, and get on a plan for you.

SPEAKER_00: 46:43

That's what I do. If I hear about a celebrity taking something, I go get it. Like, in fact, you know that guy, that Brian Johnson guy who's trying to live to be a billionaire.

SPEAKER_03: 46:51

No, that guy is like so interesting to me.

SPEAKER_00: 46:53

Me too. I'd love to interview him. In fact, check this out. So he I saw this interview with him where he said if he could only do one thing, one thing, it would be drink extra virgin olive oil. Have you heard this yet?

SPEAKER_04: 47:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 47:06

Right? So the doctor that was sitting here that I was telling you about Dr. Rubin, he said he did the same thing. He does it too. And he told me about this brand. And I can't remember the numbers, but he's like, the brand I have is 250 polyphenols or something, right? And I'm like, oh, is that good? He goes, Yeah, that's the highest you can get. And I go, well, let me tell you about. I buy the guy's product, the Brian Johnson. He sells his own, it's called snake oil, and it's it's uh extra virgin olive oil. And I gave him a bottle and he goes, Oh my god, this has like a thousand polyphenols. And I'm like, Yes, I don't know what any of that means, but I take a shot glass of it every night.

SPEAKER_03: 47:39

Yeah, I have this teeny tiny olive oil shot glass, and I haven't actually done it yet, but I've heard of people saying that in the morning and with a little uh splash of lemon juice in it.

SPEAKER_00: 47:48

Oh, I don't do the lemon juice. Are you supposed to?

SPEAKER_03: 47:50

Well, a lot of people do just I don't know, maybe for taste or the benefits, but they just do that and then they that's down the hatch first thing. Um, and I haven't started doing that, but now maybe I will. Maybe I'll add that in.

SPEAKER_00: 47:59

It's supposed to be the why is this guy who's trying to live to be a thousand years old? This is the one thing he would do. Yeah, yeah. Right? He also does the red light therapy, all those, all that stuff. I I do I do everything I can because I got three boys and I'm trying to be around as long as I can.

SPEAKER_03: 48:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 48:12

Right? By the way, also, I'm gonna jump back to your mom and dad for a second. Your mom, she's still around.

SPEAKER_03: 48:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 48:17

She must be uh so proud of you and your success.

SPEAKER_03: 48:20

Thank you. I think she is. I uh, you know, her my mom and dad were high school sweethearts, and she's never known a life without him. So she just sold their house and just got her own house by herself, you know, smaller that makes sense for being alone. And um, I'm gonna be seeing that for the first time on Thanksgiving because I haven't gotten to go visit and see the new house yet. So yeah, she's just she's ain't in there. I think, you know, she's lonely. Um you have brothers and sisters? I have a brother who lives like five minutes down the road from her, so he's been a great help in helping her out with everything, but it's hard for me because I live on the other side of the country and she's in Indiana. But yeah, I I mean both my parents are proud. They're Christians, conservatives. That's how I grew up. So ever all the work that I'm doing, I think is really beyond any of our wildest dreams. I mean, last week I went to New York to the Fox News headquarters and was doing Fox News Live, and that was the weirdest thing for me as a kid who grew up on Hannity and Combs and Megan Kelly and Bill O'Reilly, and then to be there in person was like really tripping me out and be like, I'm on here. And that's just it's it's weird for my mom too. Because like that was on every we watch that as a family every day.

SPEAKER_00: 49:33

No, I remember at the at the radio station, I uh, you know, I work for iHeart Media, do a radio show, and there's like eight radio stations in our building, and you know, I know some of them. There's like a conservative talk show and radio station, and I was going to the bathroom, I had to go pee. And I remember there was a guy, uh like a security guy at the door to the bathroom. And I was like, that's weird. And I walk in, I'm peeing at the urinal, and it's Sean Hannity right next to me.

SPEAKER_02: 49:55

No way. And I'm like, oh my god, no way.

SPEAKER_04: 49:59

You got to pee with Sean Hannity. No way, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_00: 50:02

Well, oh, that's why the security guard's out here. It was like, so to actually be there doing the stuff with him is different. Yeah. Oh, you got to pee next to him.

SPEAKER_03: 50:10

Yeah, you got to cross you got to cross dreams. So, I mean, that's pretty big.

SPEAKER_00: 50:13

We didn't cross dreams. That's the next thing I'm gonna put down on my bucket list. I don't think he ever made me laugh on a podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 50:26

That is uh, yeah, that's that's like definitely a dream come true. And um, so there's been a lot of opportunities, you know, going to the White House, getting to meet the president, um, just really surreal things and stuff that I never, I mean, when I was starting in radio, like I said, like I just was like, my dream is to be on Kid Craddock show. Like, so that was so weird. Like, I was like messaging Jeff Dollar from the Burt Show and being like, uh uh, what do I need to do to get to get to be on the Burt Show? And like him helping me out.

SPEAKER_00: 50:59

And did you get on the Burt Show?

SPEAKER_03: 51:00

Uh no, but I it was like that was what I was working towards.

SPEAKER_00: 51:03

So Bert like retired yesterday.

SPEAKER_03: 51:05

You're joking! I missed this news.

SPEAKER_00: 51:08

He just retired, he's done with radio.

SPEAKER_03: 51:10

Why? He's way too young. I know.

SPEAKER_00: 51:12

He said he's done literally yesterday. It's all over the news and radio world today.

SPEAKER_03: 51:16

Oh my gosh, I'm freaking out. I miss this. I've been in like meetings all day and doing other interviews, and I have not seen this. You're telling this is like Trump, you're telling me for the first time.

SPEAKER_00: 51:24

Yeah, he retired, he's done. He's in San Diego right now. He's going to he's going to like Thailand and he's gonna just travel the world for about a year.

SPEAKER_03: 51:32

And then he's gonna get so bored and he's gonna be back.

SPEAKER_00: 51:34

That's what I think.

SPEAKER_03: 51:35

There's no way this man lives and breathes radio. Why? He just got this new young hot wife. That's why.

SPEAKER_00: 51:41

That's part of it, yeah. Yeah. And in Dollar, it's so funny you bring about Dollar because you know, he used to be called Omelette.

SPEAKER_01: 51:48

He's what?

SPEAKER_00: 51:48

His radio name was Omelette back in the day.

SPEAKER_01: 51:50

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 51:51

And he was part of a show in Tucson, like in the year 2000. And then that show went to Detroit, Mojo. I don't know if you heard of Mojo show. Uh-huh. And Rich, my partner and I, he was the producer of the Krattic show. And him and I teamed up and took over for Omelette and Mojo.

SPEAKER_03: 52:07

You know what? I miss if I freaking love radio. And everybody's asked me, like, out of all the things that you've ever done, like, what's your favorite? And and I'm like, oh, it's radio by far. There is something so intimate and special about the art of radio, and it really pisses me off how we're automating everything, and and we're losing the magic, and there's just nothing like it. There's nothing like morning radio. It it's it's so unique, it's so special. The relationships that you build with those listeners when you're on your way to work with them every single day, or they're on their way to work with you every single day.

SPEAKER_00: 52:43

I agree. It's very intimate. There's nothing like it.

SPEAKER_03: 52:45

It's just sad to me that Well, that's not happening everywhere. I know it's not happening everywhere, but it's sad to me that a lot of companies are they don't care about unique talent and finding they've finding special talent and keeping it local and unique to markets.

SPEAKER_00: 53:03

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03: 53:04

It's one person that's doing 12 stations. Right. And and I just think that's sad. I think it's important when there's something going on in Phoenix to have a local Phoenix person being like Charlie Kirk was shot.

SPEAKER_04: 53:14

Right. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 53:15

Not somebody from frickin' uh the suburbs of Mankato, Minnesota, right? Like talking about, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 53:22

Yeah. You know what's so weird about the Charlie Kirk? I mean, there was a million things, but I when when it happened, so like I've been friends with Erica for a long time. When she was Miss Arizona, right? She'd come in the studio all the time and stuff. And so she did some wonderful things for my family. My son, Dutch, when he was a senior in high school, this is so crazy. He he wanted to meet the president of the United States, and Erica made that happen.

SPEAKER_04: 53:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 53:44

And that's when we met Charlie and everything. They were so nice. And when he got shot, immediately I posted, please pray for my friend's family. And oh my God, the backlash I got immediately was insane. And I was like, Whoa, I didn't give you my political beliefs. All I said was, pray for my friend's family, and it just went sideways.

SPEAKER_04: 54:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 54:06

You know, you must experience that kind of stuff a lot. Or maybe not you're in a certain place where people know who you are what you get. Like with me on the radio, you know, it's like when Michael Jordan used to say, I don't lean politically anyway because both parties buy shoes.

SPEAKER_04: 54:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 54:18

Right. So it's like being a CHR show, you don't lean a certain way because then you lose half your audience.

SPEAKER_03: 54:24

Yeah, but you know what's what's bold to me is that they're all doing that on um like hip hop formats, urban formats. They're all political. Like Russ Parr in the morning, like shows like Charlemagne. Yeah. They're all political, right? But for some reason, CHR can't go another way. You can't reveal what you what who you vote for when you're in CHR, which I don't understand. Um, I feel like that's a total double standard. I don't get it. I think it's important to have people on one show with different beliefs, like have a producer or somebody that's gonna, you know, represent a different view so that it's interesting conversation, it's not an echo chamber. And then somewhat everyone in the audience is like, oh, I relate to to John, I I relate to you know Jessica, like there's somebody for them to relate to.

SPEAKER_00: 55:03

You should be able to work together, you should also be able to be friends with different political views, and apparently all hell breaks loose if you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03: 55:09

Well, and that's what like I was at dinner the other night, and somebody at this dinner said, you know, I just here's the thing like I just want to I want everybody to get back to like what we were after 9-11, like kind of kumbaya, and like we're all Americans type of a thing. And and I was like, I I wish that that was the case. Unfortunately, you have one side that wants the other side dead. So, how do you do that when they're killing us? So I feel very strongly like that ship is sailed, basically. There's like a few people that are kind of like in the middle, maybe they're still a little bit open-minded that you can kind of move over, but you have to come to the reality that there is a certain there is disturbingly enough, a section of America that genuinely believes if you have the wrong political beliefs, it's okay to resort to violence and death.

SPEAKER_00: 56:03

What do you think of people in the media like um like the the n the nighttime shows? The late night shows.

SPEAKER_03: 56:10

And I think that if they were smart, they would put someone like Theo Vaughn at night.

SPEAKER_00: 56:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 56:20

If you want to revive the can't late night comedy, you have to actually get a comedian, you have to actually get somebody funny. I think SNL has started to like work their way back. Like they're getting a little bit better. Like, I I'm actually enjoying some SNL stuff for the first time in years.

SPEAKER_00: 56:35

Um, just mean.

SPEAKER_03: 56:37

Yeah. Well, and just also just like again, they were they got into this cycle in Trump's first term of like all we have to do is just bash conservatives all the time. Well, whether you're conservative or not, I don't understand how that's funny or like entertaining.

SPEAKER_00: 56:48

Um I'll tell you on the other side, I I actually really like Bill Maher.

SPEAKER_03: 56:52

I love Bill Maher. I love Bill Maher. I'm obsessed with Bill Maher's show. Bill Maher, to me, I think is what is one of the best talents that we have left. He's the best in talk shows.

SPEAKER_00: 57:04

He's the he do you did you ever get a chance to see Johnny Carson? He's like, he's he's Johnny Carson. Yeah. Except politics.

SPEAKER_03: 57:10

I mean, I've seen videos and I know who is.

SPEAKER_00: 57:12

Johnny Carson's a legend. He's the best. Nobody's like Johnny Carson. Bill Maher is the closest thing to Johnny Carson, but he's on a political show and he's so damn funny. And he did you watch the uh podcast he did with Charlie Kirk?

SPEAKER_03: 57:21

I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 57:22

It was fantastic. Yeah. That was fantastic.

SPEAKER_03: 57:24

I'm just obsessed with him. And uh you should be on that show. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 57:28

You haven't been invited. You should, that's that I bet you that's coming. I guarantee you that's it. That would be wild.

SPEAKER_03: 57:33

Well, if it does, then we'll know that you predicted it first. But I I think Bill's doing it right. You know, yeah, I think Bill would be would be great. Like, put him put him on there. But um, I don't understand like any basically you or I get more views than these shows. Like, I don't understand how they get justify it.

SPEAKER_00: 57:49

Your show's huge.

SPEAKER_03: 57:50

But I don't understand how you like you've got like any any YouTuber or TikToker is getting more views than these late night shows and they're still paying them millions.

SPEAKER_00: 57:57

It's weird. Um, getting back to something with your mom and dad. So you grew up because are you still very religious?

SPEAKER_03: 58:03

Yeah, yep. I'm a Christian, and uh, that's super important to me. And you know, even always open about that, but with Charlie dying and stuff, even more so, I'm like, oh, this is like so crucially important.

SPEAKER_00: 58:16

But what about when your dad was sick? Did you go to any like for me? Um, I don't know if you know my mom is Mexican and my dad is from the Netherlands. I came out looking more like my dad. They both came immigrated here from the from Mexico and the Netherlands. And my mother, when she got sick, she wanted to go to a little town outside of Paris called Lourdes, which is where uh the Virgin Mary appeared one time and healed all the sick. And there's a river that runs through it that is blessed. She blessed it. And so my sister and I took my mom there and went on this like religious pilgrimage. And when we went there, I don't know if you've ever heard it before, but it is fascinating. There's thousands of people, nuns, priests, and people that are sick, and they walk every night with candles and they pray and they bathe in this water that's supposed to heal you. You ever heard of it?

SPEAKER_04: 59:03

Never.

SPEAKER_00: 59:03

It's a trip. Lourdes, when you get a chance, go get Lourdes on the show. So I mean But I didn't know if you when you went through that with your dad, if you went like, oh my god, we gotta go pray, we gotta go do this, eat this, drink this, pray this.

SPEAKER_03: 59:15

Yeah, I mean, my faith was a constant throughout that, and and praying, obviously, for him and and my family and my mom. But yeah, that hadn't that didn't change. I mean, because I I that's how I grew up, so that wasn't new for me, but definitely trying to persuade him to kind of change his life was. Um I was really frustrated with just like him wanting to eat apple jacks and stuff like that. And then my mom just feels bad because she's like, he's dying of cancer. Like, if he wants to eat this, let him eat it.

SPEAKER_00: 59:44

Sugar feeds the cancer.

SPEAKER_03: 59:45

I know that's what I said, and I was like, I get that, mom, but this is the problem. I was like, he's gonna die for sure. We know that, but like maybe we can buy an extra three months. Like, I that's what I was trying to do. I was trying to play the game like that. And you know, you you have to be willing, and and it's that's the thing. It he was an addict, and addicts are gonna do that. It could be food, it could be alcohol, it could be drugs. If you have a parent that's an addict, then you understand it. Now, no one, I don't think that anyone else in my family is willing to use that language in regards to him. I do. Um, and I love him, but that is what he was struggling with. I mean, it was that's how it was my whole life. Like we pass a white castle, oh, we gotta stop, you know. It's just constant.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:23

Did you ever eat white castle in your entire life?

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:25

Oh, yeah. I mean, I was I ate and lived just like him. Right. You know, when I was growing up. And then I had a shift and I realized how important it was. And I was like, I'm gonna literally gonna die eating like this at night. It never clicked for me before. I just thought if it's on shelves, this is what most Americans think. I think if it's on a grocery shelf, it's safe.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:42

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:42

But it isn't. And then I had this like crazy mind-blow moment where I realized that almost everything in the grocery store isn't food.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:50

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:51

And so I I was like freaked out by that. And and so um, yeah, I just started learning how to cook. I had no idea how to cook because everything I ate was in like boxes and bags or fast food. So I had to learn how to cook during the pandemic. And the way I did that, and they're not a sponsor, and I also would not recommend them because they're totally using seed oils and ingredients I wouldn't use now. But the way I learned to cook was using um home chef or whatever that was green chef.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:14

Hello Fresh?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:15

Yeah, one of those, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:16

One of those, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:16

And so I was getting one of those meal subscription services because they have uh they have pictures with the steps of what you do. And so I learned how to cook like that, and then I gained confidence, and then I was able to, you know, get a recipe book out and start actually cooking with recipes without pictures.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:29

So what have you eaten today?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:31

Today I have had a pro of like a 50 gram protein smoothie, and that is it so far. So I've been really bad, but I've been really busy.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:38

Do you count how many grams of protein you have a day? Yeah. So what do you have?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:41

I need to be eating probably like 100 to 120 grams of protein.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:48

What about exercise?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:49

So I were I have a personal trainer. I also do Pilates.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:54

Every day?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:54

No, I try to go like twice a week if I can. What's crazy is I am gone constantly. Like I'm almost in a new city every week. But when I'm home, I try to work out two, three times a week.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:08

Do you take food with you?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:11

Yes. Initially, when I'm going on the plane, I will try to pack something or like one of the best hacks is I pack snacks for sure. I love tin fish. I always bring tin fish with me everywhere I go. Just like fish in a tin.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:24

Oh, you mean fish? Real fish?

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:25

Yeah, like lemon or yeah, like mackerel or sardines or something. It's so good for you. Um, and it's and it tastes really good. I'm obsessed, and they're not a sponsor either, but says of this brand Fishwife. It's like super cute packaging. So I'm like a sucker for that. And then do they do tuna?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:41

It's like tuna fish too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:42

Yeah, anything.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:43

It's but it's called Fishwife.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:44

Fish wife. And yeah, you it'll tell you on the box, you know, what type of fish. Yeah, and it's an olive oil, and they've do like chili flakes, and it's really good. Um, but I love that, or I'll do uh just ground beef, so just like hamburger patties, plain no bun or anything, with just a bunch of Redmond salt on it. I'll do that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:02

Okay, so now let me ask you this Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:04

Obsessed. So one of the greatest perks of working in radio was that I got to meet her twice.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:11

And my audience like cannot believe that. My audience hates Taylor Swift because they're all conservative. So they think it's like they think I'm like disloyal. I'm a traitor for loving her the way that I do, but she's the background of my phone. I've gone to every tour multiple times. Um, became a Swifty during the Speak Now tour. And I am a diehard Taylor fan. I just did a Patreon special podcast, and I it was uh behind a paywall, and you had to pay to to listen to it. But it was like an eight-episode special series where a friend and I, that's also a Swifty, we went like deep into the lore of every single era, reacted to the life of a showgirl, and did our predictions for TS13 and what the wedding will be like. And we made people pay for it, and then all that money was gifted to Erica.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:51

Yeah, so um that was like a fun little special thing that I did, but I could talk Taylor, I could totally talk Taylor all day, every day.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:59

She's fascinating.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:00

Yeah, I I'm obsessed with her. I think that she's a brilliant uh artist, businesswoman, songwriter, just person and celebrity in general.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:08

So you can put away her political beliefs, lock that up.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:12

I just do not care. And I think that it's so retarded when people come at me for liking her for being a leftist. And I'm like, okay, do you subscribe to Netflix? Do you scroll on Twitter? Do you watch TV? Do you listen to any music that's secular? Because if you do, you're consuming people that are totally liberal because most of them are. So why is it her that she's got like this? There people are obsessed with like she is this purity test. If I like Taylor Swift, then you know it's like the end all be all for me. People literally are like, I'm unfollowing you because you like Taylor Swift. And I'm like, goodbye. You're already blocked.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:47

So what about when you have Trump posts? I hate Taylor Swift.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:49

Does that you get stop? I'm like, my mom and Jen are fighting. Um I love her. So I hate when he does that because I think it's super dumb. And I'm like, why are you doing this? Like she she's so beloved. Right. Besides conservative, she is beloved. And I'm like, so why are you attacking her? Because it's just, and especially with young women, it's like you already struggle with young women. Like, can we not? So that's my weird.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:13

Like when she got engaged, I was so happy for her. I know. Everybody was.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:17

People were crying.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:18

I thought it was so weird. Stock market like went crazy. No, I'm just joking. But she's just she's just different, right? There's nothing like her.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:24

Well, we've all been rooting for her to find love. We've gone through this whole journey with her since she was literally a kid. And so it feels like your sister or your friend or whatever has like finally found true love, and you're just so excited.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:35

You know, since you have the radio background, we did a game. Uh uh, we were given away a car or something, and we played a game, and it was called uh Who Do You Know? where you have the biggest celebrity call in for you. Whoever can have the biggest celebrity call in, um, that person will win the car. This is in uh God, 2006, 2000, or you might even know the date when I tell you what happened. I get a phone call from a girl, and she's like, Hi, um, my name's Taylor Swift. Uh, somebody left a message on my MySpace to call in. Uh, I'm 16. She was 16, and she called into our show.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:06

No way.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:07

Yeah, no wow. That person didn't win the car, but they would today. Right, yeah. Can you believe that?

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:13

Oh, that is so crazy. What some what's that's some good lore?

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:17

That was crazy. Yeah, it was amazing. And when we play the audio every once in a while, and it's so cute because she's so young. And we've had her on our show several times since then, but that was the first time. Um, so when you did, you said you met her, did you get pictures with her?

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:27

Yep, we got pictures, and the first time I met her was during the Red Tour, and uh I asked her about her cats, and she told me she loved my dress, and I'd picked this dress out at Anthropology that I knew she would like. I was like, I know Taylor would like this dress. And she that was one of the first things she said, Oh, I love this. Where did you get this? Uh, which she might just say to everybody to be nice, but I'm gonna pretend like you know, I picked something she would pick. And uh my I was with a friend, and my friend was pregnant that I worked with a coworker at the radio station, and she was asking like the about the baby immediately, like, what what's the nursery decorations gonna be like? I mean, she's so thoughtful and always making it about the person that's in the meet and greet room, not about her, which I'm sure you've met her. Yeah. Yeah, she's always like that with everybody and so kind to radio people. And then the second time, I like my fangirling had reached like another crazy level. This is during 1989.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:19

And so when she finally worked her way through the room to me, I just burst into tears and I was like, and then like I couldn't like compose myself. And I've been in radio for like so long, and all my coworkers are so embarrassed. I'm like, I'm so sorry. And then I said, Um, I'm just so happy for you because she was dating Calvin Harris at the time. And so I said, uh, I'm so happy for you that you're dating Calvin. We just love him or think he's great or something. And she said, Isn't he great or something?

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:44

And um uh yeah, and she was like, It's okay that you're crying. And then I asked her uh what her favorite chicken nuggets are because I was the chicken nugget fast food queen, and so I asked her that. And when she wrote a little, she wrote me a little card after thanking me for coming and meeting me. And was she a handwritten card? And when I got that in the mail, it said, you know, I never get asked about chicken nuggets.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:05

Wow. And now you don't eat chicken nuggets.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:07

And now I don't eat chicken nuggets, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:09

Wow, you and she wouldn't talk to me now because I'm conservative and you know You don't think there'd be any way that she would eat it up to come sit down and talk to you? I mean, you never know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:17

No, no way. She's you know how she is, she's so particular about who she's gonna let interview her now and stuff. She's not coming on a turning point USA podcast.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:23

I was so bummed the last the when she announced her album, she was gonna do she did like six radio stations in in you know BBC New L or London and then of course Z100 New York and not us. And I was so bummed because she used to we used to be part of that, and now but she's yeah, she's something else. So you happy with Travis Kelsey? Do you have you caught yourself watching a football game?

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:43

Oh, all the time, yeah. Yeah, watching watching the games, looking for Taylor, and so happy for them. I think that he's perfect for her. I think she there might be a little bit down the line. I could see her struggling with like just wanting to have kind of like a creative person to uh, you know, what she had with Maddie Healy. I think that's why she felt like they were soulmates.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:08

And so obviously she's like, she felt her and Maddie Healy were soulmates.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:11

Oh yeah. This is what the oh, this is what Torture Poets Department is all about.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:14

Oh, I thought it was about the other guy, the Alwyn guy. No, this is that's what's shocking about this album.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:19

There's like a handful of songs that are about Joe, but all most of that album is about Maddie Healy, that he was she he was who she wanted to be with the entire time she was with Joe secretly.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:29

Whoa. So what do you think you said you you did so you did this Patreon thing. So where do you think the wedding is? What's your what's your theory on the wedding?

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:36

Well, right now, and I mean this is uh other people who are reporting this, but the rumors that are swirling are that it's gonna be in Rhode Island and not at her place at a venue there, like maybe the breakers or something. Um and rumors, again, who knows, but that she had paid off some brides that she really wants the date of June 13th in Rhode Island, and so she uh was paying off brides that had their weddings. They're like, hey, I'll pay whatever wedding you want, anywhere you want, and your honeymoon, all covered by me. Just pick a different venue in a different day. Um, don't know if that's true. But if she ends up getting married at like The Breakers Rhode Island, then we'll know it was true.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:10

Who's your favorite interview you've done so far on your podcast?

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:13

Oh, that's so hard.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:14

I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:15

I hate that question. I because every uh like year that I've podcasted, it's different.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:22

Which one's left an impact on you?

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:26

Since so should we stick with Since I've Rebranded? Sure. To health and wellness? I think I mean one of the best is Callie Means. Oh yeah. Every time you interview him, he's so good. You've got to talk to him if you haven't. He is just so good at breaking down all of this corruption. Um, and you're like on the edge of your seat the whole time, and he says stuff, you're like, you're you're kidding.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:49

Um, so I love him. And then I would say I interviewed one of the first episodes I did in the rebrand was uh actually a local raw milk farmer. And that interview is still one of my most popular. Wow. Um, he was just so good at explaining, you know, what's wrong with the dairy industry and and the benefits of raw milk, and he cried at the end talking about how much he loves his daughters and Jesus, and like people just like loved this man. I mean, he was like the perfect American farmer to interview, I guess. So um that interview did really well, and then my Dr. Bryan artist nicotine episode went crazy viral. People are obsessed with that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:25

With it, so what's your take on that? Have you seen the zins, the thing people chew?

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:29

Yeah, I mean, he swears by patches and and pouches and all of that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:34

Um it's kind of supposed to be good for you, right? Nicotine to a certain degree.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:38

That's what he says. Now, different people say different things. Max Lugavere, if you know who that is, he disagrees. He's a big health and wellness podcast and does a lot with the brain and dementia and Alzheimer's and stuff. He says, like, this is garbage. And then you have people like Brian that are like adamant. And I mean, when I did this interview talking about the benefits of nicotine, I I had thousands of people in my audience that are like, I have been dealing with debilitating pain or or I had no smell since COVID, all of it's back, or my you know, my pain is gone. Things like that, that they've tried everything and nothing would work until they did the nicotine patch.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:11

Wow. Have you interviewed Hyman?

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:13

Uh not yet. He's also on the list of we're trying to work out a date. So hopefully, because I'm obsessed with him.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:18

Well, you work on a date for him coming here?

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:21

Uh oh, I like to work on that date together. Maybe you do my podcast yours. I was walking through the airport one time, and that dude, he's coming up the stairs and he's on, he's wearing like Jesus sandals, he's got a scruffy beard, and he's on his phone. And I walk up to his go, oh my god, a diamond. And he looks at me and goes, Yeah, I go, I'm a big fan. I want to have you on my radio show. And he gives me his cell phone number.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:41

Nice!

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:41

He goes, I'm on the phone with my wife right now, and he goes, Hold on, here, call me. And he gives me his number. He goes, Text me. And I text him right there in front of him. And I go, I just text you. And I get on the plane, text you back, and he goes, Okay, great, we'll plan on it. And I haven't followed up yet.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:52

Yeah, you need to do that. He's really, really cool. And um uh I would say he was a really neat person to meet. I love Dr. Will Cole, he's one of my favorite people in the space. Dr. Josh Axe is so nice, and I love, love, love Gary Breca. Yeah, um, just probably one of my favorite personalities I've met.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:09

I'm surprised Josh Axe didn't talk about how the stem cells fixed the problem.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:13

I need to have him back on and and then ask him about that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:16

When did you talk to him? Because I mean, there was a point where the dude was last January.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:19

This last this January, January 2025.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:22

That's when he did the speaking tour in Cabo when I was there with him.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:26

I'm gonna have to ask him about this. I'll text him and I'll be like, what's the deal with this? Should I be doing it?

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:29

Yeah, totally. Um, what about Peter Atia? Are you familiar with that guy?

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:33

Have anyone he was just on 60 Minutes?

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:35

I think he's him and I are supposed to be doing a podcast swap.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:38

Wow, that's huge. That guy's awesome.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:41

That guy's awesome, man. Wow, that's gonna be big. He was just on 60 Minutes yesterday.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:46

Oh, I'm gonna have to watch that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:48

It's great. It's great. He's so fascinating. Well, anyway, listen, thank you for being on my podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:54

Thank you for having me. This is so fun. I love that you know, we have so many interests in common that you're in radio, and um, I love what you're doing. And I obviously have known about you my entire career. So it was like when you had asked, I was like, told my team we have to make this happen. Like, I really want to do this.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:10

Thank you. You know, it's funny you bring up Kid Craddock. I I feel weird saying this, but we my Rich, my partner, and I, we actually just won. So Kid Craddock died.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:18

And they created an award uh for the the all the morning shows vote for what they think is a favorite morning show, and we just won the most recent Kid Craddock Award.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:25

Congratulations!

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:26

Won it last year, of course. Mojo won it the year before that, and we won it this year.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:30

Yeah, Mojo's a legend too. So cool. This is like so cool. It just feels like another lifetime that I got to do all this and I was in the world.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:36

And I'm such a fan of yours. It's so cool that you can't. I couldn't believe it when you when they they said you were coming out. For real?

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:42

Anytime, I'd love to come back.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:44

You would? Yes. Oh, good, good. Well, we'll have to do an update. Well, thank you, Alex Clark.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:48

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:48

Take a hydrogen water. I will okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.