Your Body Wants To Heal! Are You Listening?

You can do all the “right” health habits and still feel tired, inflamed, and wide awake at night.

Haylie Pomroy says hidden toxins might be the reason.

Haylie is a neuroimmunology research scientist and a six-time New York Times bestselling author. She explains how everyday exposures can stress the body and affect sleep, mood, weight, and energy.

We also talk about stem cell therapy and why not all treatments are the same. The real key is preparing the body first so it can actually respond and heal.

You’ll also hear simple ways to support detox, clean up your environment, and rethink a few popular health habits. If you want a clearer plan for feeling better, this episode breaks it down in a practical way.

Transcript

Welcome And Interview Style

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. I'm a very casual. This is a very casual podcast. So I uh I do a radio show, and my radio show is just very casual as well. Yeah. So I'm grateful that you came here to be on my podcast. Um I have this, I have this weird thing with my podcast, and I feel like it's gonna backfire on me, and this could be the podcast where it backfires. Let's do it. Well, I I have this like methodology of interviewing where I feel like you know, like I'm getting on an airplane like Southwest, and I'm gonna fly to San Diego or Los Angeles, and I get on my plane, and you're right next to me, and we don't know each other, and by the time we land, we know each other. Right, right. So I don't have I don't I'm Googling you while you're next to me. So we just kind of like stalk start talking and unfolding, and I get information and and and from you and and more. Uh and we pull layers back and talk. But one of the reasons we met is because of a mutual friend, Rafael Gonzalez. Yes. Uh I I I love Raphael. I consider him I consider him a good friend. I also don't have a lot of friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

He's a colleague and a brother. I mean, he's like my brother, absolutely. Oh, really? Yeah, I love that man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Um, I met him about five or six years ago when I went to Cancun to get stem cells, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

And uh are you in that world?

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Yeah, so I've actually been in the stem cell space for about 20 years. Stop. Yeah. So I was sending clients to Moscow, yeah, years ago. Um I worked with a company out of uh Scripps Hospital in San Diego, and then Raphael and I met um mutual clients. So I'm a health strategist, right? So I have clients that fly in from all over the world to help have me help kind of decipher what's going on. And I'm also highly neurotic about what's in everything. And his cells were just the purest. And I was like, I gotta know that I need to know the scientists behind this. So that's how he and I became buddies. We're on the phone forever this morning. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

I talk to him sometimes. I have to go, hey, I need you to dumb this down on me.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

I mean I need you to So we are called the science geeks in the clinic. Like he and I just go. That's what I mean when I say, yeah, like a brother. He's he's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

20 years. So in in this stem cell space, 20 years, you've known about it all, and you like his the best.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

The best. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

That makes me feel so good.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

You should. Yeah, they're neurotic. And I I mean, I'm that way about anything I put in my body, anything that I put my name on, right? You know, I have a degree in agricultural and soil sciences, then biochem, then masters in nutrition, and I'm in neuroimmunology. And so it's how the immune system responds to everything, right? And so um, stem cells or food or anything like that, if you put something in that has, you know, potentially a positive impact, but carries with it something negative, it actually is amplified. So you have to be really careful.

Why Some Stem Cells Aren’t Equal

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Well, can you help me explain? And I I've asked this of other people, and I can't, I don't, I I can't explain it when it comes down to the situation. I had a guest here the other day, and they're like, oh, you know, I get stem cells here. And I'm like, they're not the same. They go, Well, this doctor says they are mesenchymal stem cells from whatever. And I don't, I never know how to come back at them except they're not the same. Trust me, they're not the same. And they're not the same, right? No matter what they're saying, oh, it's now legal in Utah, it's now legal in Arizona. But it's can you help me explain what's so different about it?

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Yeah, so I mean, I would say Dr. Gonzalez or Raphael would be probably much better than that. Well, I asked them a hundred times, but I still don't know. Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna give it to you this from a neuroimmunology perspective, right? So in my career for over 31 years clinically, we take the most difficult case and we try to create homeostasis, a healthy homeostasis. I want you to feel F and amazing, right? So stem cells are these early cells that don't know what they want to be when they grow up yet. Okay, and so you want to make sure if you're doing stem cell therapy, so we can take stem cells from ourselves. Sometimes people take them from the bone morrow, but we can also take what we call donor cells. And the best place to get a donor cell is in a live birth from what they call mesenchymal cells or the inside of um the umbilical cord. And so there are many stem cells, but it's how you process them. I mean, I cannot tell you how many, how dirty from a biochem perspective. Now I'm gonna jump in, how dirty the mediums are and how when their culture expanded, we lose a lot of the dignity of the cell. So for me, you know, again, I've done have taken clients to Moscow, to France, to Switzerland, um, all over the world. Yeah. And and for me, that was a great again, because I'm looking at the oh when a body is overloaded, right? When it when the burdens become too much. That's when they call me in. And sometimes it's a professional athlete, but really it's usually people just like myself. I I I got into this industry, I'd gotten into vet school. I had to take a medical leave of absence because my health went completely sideways. Um, it was a massive crisis. I almost died, right? And now I was early 20s, and now I live an incredibly vibrant and healthy life. So I had to learn how to take burden and toxic overload in my own body and how to get rid of it, regenerate, and heal. And so that's my whole life's work.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

So when you said you got really sick, do you know what it was?

SPEAKER_02 5:24

Oh, yeah, absolutely. So I I was diagnosed with an autoimmune called ITP, which is where you don't stop bleeding, right? It's it's it's almost like a hemophiliac, except for it's platelet related. So I became fascinated with hematology or blood cells at a very early age. I had to, because I had to figure out how to reverse engineer my own body and what it was going through. That's why stem cells or NK cells or dendritic cells are super fascinating to me. So I was diagnosed with ITP, which is a bleeding disorder. But you know, I was young in my 20s. I was working in veterinary surgery. I'd gotten into vet school and I was given anti-rejection drugs, 60 to 80 milligrams of prednisone every day. Um, and then it all came crashing down. My kidneys started to fail. I was offered chemo and a splenectomy. I was hospitalized, and I remember I, you know, there's those moments in your life where you just remember a pivot, right? And I always remember like the hospital gown putting divots in my leg. I remember the sounds, I remember the smells, and I just said, this is not gonna be my fucking destiny. It's just not. And so I went back, I learned biochemistry, I learned all about hematology, I got a master's in nutrition, I studied neuroimmunology. I'm a I'm a research scientist in neuroimmunology. And I said, This can't be my destiny. I am completely drug-free. I take no steroids, I take no um anti-rejection drugs, I take a handful of supplements every day, you better believe it. Um, and I've learned how to, so I was exposed to malthion. So I was fortunate that I was referred to a toxicologist at the time when my organs started shutting down. Malathion was sprayed in California during Metfly. Yeah. And because I'm not really a good rule follower, I was out past curfew and we got dumped on. Um and I remember it was orange, you had to cover your cars. Uh so as we were tracing back what we call homotoxicology or how the body toxifies, right? As I was tracing that back in my own health, I learned where my original exposure and what was the trigger for my autoimmune disorder.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

And that was it.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah. And so I couldn't find a clinic that could take care of me in the way that I needed to be taken care of. So I built my own at 22. I have built seven, uh, nine clinics, sold seven, and I consult with doctors all over the world when individuals have toxic overload.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Wow, my mind is blown.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

With the autoimmune disease, so my experience with that is I have a friend that had percititis and uh ulcerclitis.

SPEAKER_04 7:53

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

And I he's 35, and he's uh since he was 16, he goes to the hospital for about two weeks. Could his name be Dane? And you think, huh?

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Could his name be Dane?

SPEAKER_01 8:03

No, but I met Dane. I met Dane. It's like I introduced him to Dane. I introduced him to him to Dane.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yeah, he just said it's a story that's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

That's that's right. So that's the word.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Survivors of the environment. And but I I humor me for a second. Like if you close your eyes and you imagine, I want you to think about all the people that you know. How many can you think of right now that have just outrageous health? They're outrageously healthy, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Outrageously healthy?

SPEAKER_02 8:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Couple. A couple.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Yeah, and and do it now and think about how many people are really struggling in their health right now.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

A lot. I just found out if somebody I know just died yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Yeah, it's heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Can I open my eyes now?

SPEAKER_02 8:44

You can open your eyes. The people that are healthy, are they working hard at it?

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Yes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

And that's what it takes. And so I, you know, I've written six New York Times best-selling books. We've sold millions of copies. They're in 47 languages. This is why this next book I'm giving away for free.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Oh, yeah. It's called Toxic Overload, and it's because it's full circle, right? 31 years ago, I was in that hospital bed and I was able to walk this journey. And I I flew 72 flights last year. I was in 12 countries. I feel freaking amazing. Wow. And everybody out there can too.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Is there a flight hack?

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Oh, there's a total flight hack.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Like I saw somebody said, Don't ever eat on an airplane. Don't ever eat on an airplane. Even your own food?

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Hydrate. I well, I bring my own food for sure. So you can eat your own food on the airplane. Yeah, and I manufacture my own bars. I manufacture my own shakes for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Like you can buy your bars?

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Oh, yeah. I formulated for years for 18 other companies. I formulated in the in the guests right now.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

You see what I'm saying? Like if I would have done this research, I'm so glad this is what's the how what are the name of your bars?

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Pomeroy nutrition. Oh, really? Yeah. Look at it.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Wait a minute. I feel like are they are they in stores too?

SPEAKER_02 9:50

No, they're not. They're direct to consumer. Anybody that's in a store is cheaping out on the raw ingredient. We can't afford to have good raw ingredients and selling it. Pomeroy. I feel like I'd seen that bar before.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Yeah, it's one-stop nutrition. There's a nutrition. Are you sure?

SPEAKER_02 10:03

I'm positive. I know. I would find this new picture. Yeah. And we were voted the purest, uh most bioavailable protein powder in the world right now. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

So it's it third party tested?

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Oh, absolutely. Not only is it third-party tested, I cage everything. I third party test each raw ingredient. And then I believe in compounding effects with toxins. So we have 27 ingredients. I third party test once it's blended, which is almost unheard of.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

How much protein is one scoop?

SPEAKER_02 10:30

24 grams. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

You also do the creatine and all that?

SPEAKER_02 10:33

I do not believe in creatine. Don't believe in creating protein. I do not believe in whey.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

So well, what kind of protein is it?

Autoimmune Crisis That Changed Everything

SPEAKER_02 10:39

It's uh a lectin-free chickpea out of Belgium. I source globally, right? So, like my B vitamins are out of Milan. I I'm I'm neurotic. Have you not noticed? Welcome. Hi, nice to meet you. No, but it it for me, it's not about it's I can do anything at this point in my life, right? I have beautiful children that just both got married. Um, I'm gonna be a grandmother.

SPEAKER_04 11:03

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Yeah, in July. I know. Very excited about that. So my mission is that nobody feels as alone as I felt in that health crisis. Nobody's gaslit like I was during that health crisis. And that they have an actual handbook that I've used clinically for over 31 years that they can have access to for free. So I I teach at the university at a medical school.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Which university?

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Uh Nova, Southeastern. I'm at the uh in at the Institute of Neuroimmune Medicine.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

What city is that in?

SPEAKER_02 11:29

In Florida. In Davy, Florida. Yeah, we have a Davy campus.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

Did you come in from Florida?

SPEAKER_02 11:33

No, I actually flew in from LA.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Yeah. I have a place we film in our LA. Oh, yeah, kitchen. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

What part of LA?

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Uh PV, Palace Verdes.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Oh, my sister is in Santa Monica and she's in the TV world. She just uh took over for Mr. Beast. Do you know who Mr. Beast is?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

She runs his old company.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

Oh, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Oh, wait, wait, I was gonna say, I want to jump back to a couple things. So my friend who's 34, that also Clyde is I I said, You need to come with me to Cancun. Actually, I I took him, yo, took him to Cancun. Um, and then we went to Cabo to rehealth to Raphael's clinic. 34 years old, been in the hospital, he was 16 for two weeks. Right. He got stem cells, and within the hour, Rafael, the doctor, the doctor's like, uh, hey, let's go get some uh enchiladas. And he was like, I can't, I can't. And they were like, No, you're fine. He's like, No, no, I can't. It's been two years. That dude has been off meds, not had one problem. Right uh, because of the stem cells. Right. So when you were in the hospital and you're going through this, not no, did you ever did stem cells help you or you just cleaned yourself?

SPEAKER_02 12:33

For me, it wasn't an option. So I I have again in in the hematology world, for me it wasn't an option. Um, I what I did was I identified my toxic overload, right? Uh-huh. I did removal therapy to get to bind and take it out. Your body's designed to heal.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

What's removal therapy?

SPEAKER_02 12:52

So sometimes we'll use chelation therapy, sometimes we'll use micronutrients that help facilitate phase one and phase two. Um I'm not opposed to colonics, but so the problem with toxins, they typically deposit in the tissue. They rarely stay in the bowel for very long. Um, so we've got thy so the most biologically um active tissue in our bodies is the brain, the thyroid, and the kidneys, right? When we say biologically active, it means it has the capacity to exchange nutrients really efficiently. So those are the hot spots for toxin deposition or depositing. Um, so we've got to do things that nurture those organs, but we also have to do things that entice the toxins to come out. And then we don't want what we call retox, right? Where the body puts it into the bloodstream and then just recirculate, recirculates it somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

So is it is sauna work?

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Sauna can be great, but again, sauna can release toxins if you don't bind them and mo so mobilization is one thing. So first you have to identify, then you mobilize, then you bind, then you remove, then you repair. So how do you bind a toxin? So it we use you can use kellant therapies like EDTA, DMSA, DMPS. There's certain therapies that have an affinity depending on what the toxin is.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

But are those therapies a pill or are those therapies?

SPEAKER_02 14:04

They can be a pill. They can sometimes be IV therapies. Oh, IV therapies.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Yeah, but if you're getting an IV, what what are you putting in it?

SPEAKER_02 14:10

So it depends. Um, you know, I'm a big in acetylcysteine, um, alpha lopoic acid. So I'm a biochemist, right? So I believe in cofactors. So we there's not a uh a pill or a fix. Proteins are critically important, easily digestible proteins, pre and probiotics are incredibly important.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

In an IV drip?

SPEAKER_02 14:29

No, in nutritionally, you know, probiotic, real quick, quick story.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

I I went to um I I've been seeing a lot of people post about this thing called coconut cult. Have you heard of it?

SPEAKER_02 14:38

I absolutely have.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

And so I was in, I was in uh California and I saw it at the Sprouts. And so I bought a small jar and I thought it was okay. And then it was, it didn't, it was just plain. Then I saw when it said vitamin C and I bought a bigger, about a smaller jar and I ate it, it was great. And then I come to the Sprouts here, sure enough, they have it, and I ate a whole jar. And then I was like, I was boring. Then I decided to read the label. And the label says one tablespoon.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Yeah, one to two tablespoons. Why didn't you get them a DM?

SPEAKER_01 15:06

And be like, oh my God, I just ate the whole thing in your probiotic. It was a jar this big. And they go, Oh, that's called coconut cult roulette. Good luck.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Oh, I love their sense of humor. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

I was like, okay, but fit things worked out, but I now I have another jar in there and I'm afraid to open it.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah, you go go uh tread lightly with that.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

So one spoonful of probiotic. Would you do that at night or in the morning when you do a probiotic?

SPEAKER_02 15:29

Um probiotics I like both times a day. So we have a probiotic that we use, I tell people in the morning to open, especially if you have cortisol issues, open the probiotic and rinse orally, or you have historical viral issues. People that have all this like on your website?

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Oh, yeah. What is your website?

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Haleypomeroy.com, H A Y L I E. I spell it differently. Pomeroy, P-O-M-R-O-I. I've never heard of this. But so the coolest thing is we have this amazing community, right? And anybody can join for free for 30 days. Download everything. I don't care. I want you to have help. I don't want anybody to go through what I had to go through. I want to shorten my whole mission, right? Like I said, we're in 47 languages. We have already sold millions of copies of books. Great. But I want to shorten that gap. So we have this really cool community where we do small groups, people bring their labs in. I last night was teaching uh one of those small groups and we go over everything. But back to the probiotic piece, you know, we uh produce uh uh cortisol, right? First thing in the morning. It's when our body's most metabolically active that we're supposed to do that. And if you can increase the gut microbiome at that moment, so I'll do oral, open it, put it in the mouth, rinse, wait a minute, swallow, and then one in a pill form right before you go to bed.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Do you have a long morning routine of things you have to do?

The Detox Roadmap That Works

SPEAKER_02 16:47

I am a busy woman. But I mean, as far as far as like look, so this is my opinion. I need it to be easy, I need it to be fast, I need it to be clinically effective. We have one of the top labs in the world that I have access to. So I can't say like, John Jay, you're gonna feel better. I'm a scientist, I'm a research scientist. So you have to, your labs have to change. Your structure has to change. I run a DEXA whole body. I run echocardiograms on everybody that goes into our clinic, EKGs, I run all the immunology labs. So that's why my programs and protocols, it's why the fast metabolism diet book did so good. Everybody said it's so weird it works. Yeah, it should or I'm not gonna put my name on it, right? So, with toxic overload, this book in particular, we've worked with Gulf War veterans that have what we call GWI or Gulf War injury, where they're toxified from the burn pit. We've worked with women that have estrogen dominance and they've been toxified by plastics. We work with individuals that have anxiety, depression, MACFS, or myelagic encephalyelitis, chronic fatigue syndrome, right? We're looking at labs. So my clinical programs that are food and nutrient-based have to actually work. And they do.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

But the uh the autoimmune disease you had when you were 22, that's gone.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

It is, yeah. Wow. Isn't that cool? And it's so fun because like I've had the same hematologist for a long time. He was at Disney Cancer Center and he's at UCLA now. And Dr. Arzu, I love you. He's amazing. He like sends the requisite over. He's like, run whatever you want. I still get my bloods tested once to twice a year for sure. But I have myself dialed in. Like I said, I was in 12 countries, 72 flights. I feel like a million bucks, and I shouldn't be alive with what I have.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

But are you are you also exercising? Are you lifting weights?

SPEAKER_02 18:33

I have horses. I ride horses. You ride horses? I like my dogs. I love to swim.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

What kind of dogs do you have?

SPEAKER_02 18:38

I have aussies. Oh, you can't be a horse.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

So you gave up being a vet. Sorry, animals. Yeah, I'm gonna go save people.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Yeah, you know, when I first started formulating, I got to work with the Denver Zoo and the endangered black rhino population. That was my first formulation in the supplement space. Um, and I I thought maybe that's where my heart would be. And then I had people flying in from all over that were really struggling in their health. But it used to be rare. It used to be not very common. And now, like you said, it's almost hard to find friends that aren't struggling. And not only are they not struggling, there's it's this multi-generational thing going on, right? It used to be like the only thing that was inevitable was death and taxes. Now it's death, taxes, and toxins. But what are you gonna do about it?

SPEAKER_01 19:20

There's a documentary I just started watching yesterday. I think it just came out on Netflix about plastics. You see it? Yeah, it was an hour, it's like an hour and 20 minutes long. I I uh I woke up on the couch about 30 minutes in. It was a tough one, but it was really interesting. I mean, I get it. There's plastic everywhere. It's in you.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

But what do you yeah, but it but it can't just be in you? We're we are the three-legged frog at this point, right? Like everybody you know is having fertility issues, hair loss, you know, the terrible menopausal issues that you don't have to have.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

My wife just had a hysterectomy.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yeah, uh fibroids? It's fibroids. There was so much, it was she's had a crazy run. You know, she was pre-menopa, pre- all that stuff, and then finally she went to the doctor, doctor, our doctor said, I have my own doctor, and that said, you need to come to my doctor. And my doctor, it was a woman, yeah, says, You probably have fibroids, let's do an uh MRI, and they they did it right away.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

But in a even in a situation like that, we've surgicized the symptom, we've removed the fibroids, but we haven't fixed the why.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

And that was the case for me, being on prednisone. I was, like I said, I was on Mepron, those of you that know drugs, imurin, these are anti-rejection drugs, right? The next, like the only next step was remove my spleen and go on IV chemotherapeutics, and that was not my option, right? But even in a situation like that, and I when I say we be we become the three-legged frog, when we have these swamps that are dumping toxic chemicals in it, the body will mutate in order to survive. Our body will create fibroids, our body will create So why are they creating the fibroids?

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Why are they creating them? Yeah, because now that she had a hysterectomy, she can't, I mean, it could go somewhere else then, right? But she just still has pain. She has these pain in her. In fact, we're going to get we're going to uh rehealth. Uh this will be her third time. I'm getting NK uh in a couple weeks, and she's getting uh the stem cells and the injections.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

But I'm gonna encourage, I I like so my team was furious that I was giving the book away for free, right? Because we were sitting. I heard and do whatever I think once you almost die, you kind of live a fuck at life anyway. Right, right, right. Right. And so I love just doing whatever I want to do, and what I want to do is help people.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

I I'm I'm fortunate to get to do that.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

So how do they get the book for free?

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Um, go to haileypomery.com forward slash book.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Is it up there already? Like people can get it for free.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

It goes live, yeah, this week. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's brand new. You're my first. Isn't this crazy? You're the first. We're just like announcing it right now. People can do it.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Do you want to make like an official theme? I'll talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Our community, yes, our community is gonna, we have a such a strong community, they're gonna freak out because you know, um, they've been waiting on a new book, and I think that they have no idea I'm doing this. And I think that doing it for free is just what I've wanted to do for 31 years.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

That's awesome to give.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Yeah, why not? Absolutely. It'll it's It's already come back to me. I I get so many letters and so many messages from people who uh you know, I just want people to know that you can live a vibrant life, but you have to do something, right? And so what I've done is I've taken what I've done clinically down to these are what labs mean. This is how you can have your doc run the labs. This is, I mean, I I have a hundred and something recipes in there. I have success business.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Recipes to get the toxins out of your body?

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Recipes. So detoxification. Detoxification is one of the most nutrient-dependent processes that we do in our body. So you need highly nutrient-dense foods and you need bioavailable or absorbable foods. So I'm a again, the biochemistry piece, it's about food combining, right? What herb you put with what protein so that you can release the amino acids efficiently, what uh vegetable, what fiber source you use so that it entices the gut microbiota to be excited about the food, biodiversity in the food so that you get nice biodiversity in the gut.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

So is there uh do you have a go-to meal that's your favorite?

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Oh my gosh. I cook like crazy. Um, I love there, you know, I'm not a huge chicken fan, never have been. I raise my own beef. So I have a ranch in Colorado and I raise organic grass fish.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

That is so interesting because you don't do whey protein.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

I don't. It's so interesting. Let me tell you about whey.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah.

Gut Microbiome Habits And Probiotics

SPEAKER_02 23:22

When I was working, I was working in again, you know, my first degree is agriculture and soil sciences in the animal industry. And I was working in the dairy industry. And we would test whey, we would extract milk from the the uh dairy cows, we would isolate whey and we would test for cortisol levels. And the more elevated the cortisol ranches and farms could get in trouble because that was poor um husbandry. You you weren't treating the animals right. So whey has the highest cortisol source. And a lot of people say, oh, it doesn't matter, you know, once you put it in a powder and you heat it. That is a hormone that is uniquely resistant to heating. So we find cortisol in whey protein powders. So when I work with an individual that I'm trying to get um a lot of belly fat, they need to look bloated or drunk for a movie. Whey is my go-to. If I'm trying to get an individual that wants to be fit and healthy and have an amazing um calcium score and their echo to be perfect, I wouldn't touch whey with a 10-foot pole. It is so high in cortisol.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

That's all my mind right now. I got the high calcium score. I'm doing whey all the time. No, I'm like, I'm trying, I'm also trying to get my sleep better. And so the cortisol screws up your sleep somehow, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Absolutely. So we're supposed to metabolize cortisol and wash our receptor sites. What you so so many people are getting this afternoon slump, right? Yeah where you get a fatigue response in the afternoon. So we get a secondary surge in cortisol. But one of the things that people don't realize is that toxins, especially fat-soluble toxins, uh bind in the gallbladder and inhibit melatonin metabolism. So even if your body's producing melatonin or you're consuming melatonin, if you have toxic overload, your receptor sites, your melatonin receptor sites are like gummed up. So think about having like a world-class goalie in front of your hormone receptor site. So hormones come in and they travel through the bloodstream, and then your receptor sites catch them and they make them bioactive into the tissue that they receive, right? If you have toxic overload and the gallbladder is impacted or you have your gallbladder removed, you cannot metabolize melatonin. So the receptor sites aren't available to get deep and restorative sleep. So, you know, hey, mouth tape or breathe, I don't know, bubbled oxygen, whatever the heck you're gonna do. If you have toxic overload, you cannot outhack that in a body.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Okay. And whey protein is definitely toxic.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

And it's an animal cortisol.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

And I mean, I I I I was on my radio show today, I did a whole thing on trying to on increase getting better sleep, and I'm doing everything I can. I mean, I'm doing I got the only replace your protein powder.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Yeah, well, I think that's please, please, I have please, for the love of God, don't tell me that you do um collagen.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

No, I did for a while and then someone told me it was the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

And and bone uh bone broth or whatever. Okay, good, good, good. Highest glutamate of anything you can buy on the market. Phenomenal neurologist at Harvard just did this incredible study. She came to our institute. We have a what's called the CCR, the Center for Collaborative Research. So we have doctors globally that come in and do research with us. This doctor is phenomenal. I I was actually first met her, I was at um Cambridge. We were at the Crick Center where DNA was discovered, right? And we had a closed room session, 135 scientists came from all over the world, and we talked about neurotoxicity specifically, you know, ALS, long COVID, um, Lou Gehrig's, what we're seeing in this massive epidemic post-pandemic, right? And this doctor was talking about glutamate. She said, you know, the highest places that we find it is consumption of commercial grade bone broth. Grandma makes it your good. If you buy it commercially, the glutamate's elevated. And in collagen products, just crazy. And don't even get me started on on uh creatine.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Anyway, is it is it is it different for everybody?

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Or if it's just generally speaking glutamate is glutamate is glutamate.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

No, like like like protein powders. Like my son is an athlete, plays basketball in Hawaii, and he does protein. He actually, that's not true. He gets as much natural protein as possible.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

He should he should eat animal, vegetable. You know, we are we are omnivores. Right. This whole stuff about carnivore diet, right? Cool. If you want the life expectancy of a carnivore, which was about 35. Caveman, excuse me. Caveman diet. I'm like, you want to go on the caveman diet?

SPEAKER_01 27:32

You gotta eat everything, right? Wait, do you do you sell your beef?

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Uh oh, just privately.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

I'll get you whatever you want. I got it.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Uh I move fast and I jump forward about it. But it seems like you do too. Yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

Hey, every day's a gift to me.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

I'm here. Well, you got a great attitude.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

So uh when you talk about toxins, what's your take on these procedures now, like uh eBu?

SPEAKER_02 27:59

I I so I owned an IV clinic for in uh I'd say about 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Well, you're way ahead of the game. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

So I was doing EBU, but we used to call it uh IV UVB, and I we we also do IV ozone, IVUH, IV H2O, which is hydrogen peroxide. Um we did chelation, DMPS, DMSA, DMSA, EDT. Do you believe? Totally. So then what about I think EBU is really good in the viral load, CMV, EBV, um, parvo, HSV6, like when we have an elevated, what we call an immunoglobulin.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

But what about just preventative? Like just do it.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

Um, I think it's great to purify the blood. I I have this dream that your toxins hang out in the blood almost never. They're in the tissue. So so we know that the antibodies hang out in the blood for infection, but what we have to do is we have to entice and draw it out of the tissue. So it's very strategic from a nutritional perspective. You've got to reduce inflammation, right? You have to have you've got to completely uh eradicate insulin resistance, I mean, in order to for the body to detoxify. So the the federal government calls uh these chemicals obesogens, right? Fat-soluble cotton uh products that promote uh lipid proliferation or fat cell proliferation. They're obesogens, just like things cause cancer, these things cause obesity. And thank God they do. You would be poisoned and die if they didn't, right? So you have to entice them out, you have to bind, you have to remove, you have to repair, and you have to make yourself more resilient because none of us are gonna. I mean, I I flew on an airplane today. I drove on the freeway. They say they just had a big study that just came out that showed air pollution is cutting our life expectancy eight to ten years, and the number one area for air pollution is in the house, you know, fabric softeners, uh scented candles. But but this is a thing. It's smacking us in the face. We're seeing it in everybody we know getting sick. And like I said, it's multi-generational. So we have individuals, a woman that's you know, her husband's got elevated calcium score, um, isn't sleeping at night, you know, her father maybe is showing signs of dementia. She's having a hysterectomy, her son is having asthma, you know, and and everybody around, it's just there's just something.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

It's everything, it's everywhere.

Plastics Fibroids And Toxic Culture

SPEAKER_02 30:19

We're being poisoned.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

So what do you so you so okay, yes, yes, I'm working to educate medical students. That's why I take on M1 and M2 students, first and second year in medical school, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:30

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

That's why I have them I mentor. That's why I have them come and work on my research projects. Because I want to change the medical curriculum so everybody's not gaslit.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Well, how do you get rid of all the stuff though, yourself? How do you get out of your. I mean, how do you make it?

SPEAKER_02 30:44

You want to be in a bubble. No, you don't have to, you can't be in a bubble. You want to live life. So the book is going to tell you everything. The book's going to tell you everything. You can ask me anything about it. I'm going to be too free. I'm not trying to get you to buy a book. Have it. Okay, it is exactly what I've done clinically for 31 years. It's what saved my life. And I will tell you, and and we know this, you know, as uh Raphael and I were talking about this morning. I have a client that came to me, um, was referred from Brigham and Women's Hospital in the immunology department. The rheumatologist there said, Haley, we know what you've been through, and we've got somebody that's on the lung transplant list. Her toxic level, when we we ran her through toxicology, we ran her through a whole bunch of different testing. Her toxic level was insane. She has a PFT pulmonary function test of a 30-year-old woman. She's 68 now. She's off the transplant list. She lives an incredibly vibrant life. I have her exact protocol in the book.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Oh wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

I mean, oh.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Did you bring her up? Like you specifically be able to set the case.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

Oh, yeah, she was on my podcast.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Oh, she was? Okay. What do you think about hyperbaric chambers?

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Love them. So I ran a study on HBOT with GWI with Gulf or injury. Individuals we ran spec scans on the brain prior. Um, a spec scan is like so. If you think about an MRI looking at big vessels, a spec scan looks at tiny vessels, so more for neuroinflammatory response. And we did um HBOT with um Dr. Delphina. I don't know if you're familiar. Yeah. So Delphina is was known in New York.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

It's like a legend in Hyperbaric. NYU. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

So he is the doctor that's woken the most individuals that are from a coma. Dear friend of mine. Yeah, love the man. I think he's great. So we ran um our veterans through that program. And the change in HBOT, the HBOT, HBOT, hyperbaric chamber. Yeah. The change in the SPEC scans was phenomenal, but also the change in the symptom profile, the anxiety, the PTSD.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

What about the there? I see all these different kinds of hyperbaric chambers, and I feel like there's only one that's legit.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Yeah, I mean, it's so it's the doctor on site. Right. You need a doctor on site. And it's the pressure. Um, like when my grandmother had a stroke, there's a private hospital in LA that we were able to get her in really quickly. Um, post-stroke, it's phenomenal. I had another uh client that had a during a colonoscopy, they uh perforated or they tore in uh her um intestine open and she went septic. We got her in the hyperbaric chamber. We've had clients that have had um carbon monoxide poisoning. So in though the in those critical care situations, you can put them in the hospital.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

But what about for just for getting rid of the toxic beans?

SPEAKER_02 33:13

There are phenomenal places now available. But the yeah, the soft bags are great for skin, for anti-aging.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

The zip ones, are those ones showing? The soft bags. Yeah, those are the ones I was kind of like.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah, well, they're good for for peripheral stuff. People that have um maybe eczema, even some plaxoriasis, that can be really good. Um, but it's more to nurture the skin. You're not permeating deep enough to get into the brain, and you're definitely not uh permeating deep enough to get into the organs. You need to use-I would love my doctor.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

I would she's she has four hyperbaric chambers, she has a gym in her facility. That's how I met Raphael through her. She introduced me to Rafael. Oh, okay. Yeah, her name's uh Dr. Bordinko. In fact, I'm going with her to Cancun to get every time, almost every time I've got stem cells, I've been with her. That's awesome. Uh she's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

But so I'm gonna I'm gonna say this. So you are putting stem cells into a body that's struggling, and it's going to keep you treading water. What I want to do, because I see a lot of his the individuals, what I want to do is have you create an ecosystem that when you take some stem cells, you can truly reverse aging.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

I'm trying. I'm trying everything. I wake up every I wake up in the morning, I drink electrolytes and water.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

But that are probably corn based now, by the way. 98% of the electrolytes on the market, I do. I am neurotic. So so like I'll go toe-to-toe with anybody. Like I will not put my name on it if there's a better product on the market, period. Because why? Right. I I have no problem referring out to anything else. I am a massive fan of electrolytes. What happened was both Big Pharma and Big Food started buying all these great companies. I mean, the companies I raised my kids on, the companies that I was taking to change my life, right? Right. Electrolytes are so dirty now. And so I was forced, right, to create one.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Outside of yours, is there another company you like?

SPEAKER_02 35:03

No.

unknown 35:03

No.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

No, and I and I want to say yes. I am because mine aren't easy to get. We run out all the time. We are sold out all the time. Wow. It's so hard to get clean, raw ingredients. I purchase, when I purchase uh protein powder out of Belgium, I probably retain 13 to 17%. I only take the cream of the crop. The B V B V value, the biological absorbability value is never under 95%. To get into like Whole Foods, you have to be about 23%. I sell the rest of it off to other companies and I keep the best for my client base.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

I'm going to your website and you don't have a pot and I'm going to buy everything at it.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

The biggest thing is I want everybody to have the protocol. I do the LM.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

I do the electrolytes.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Okay. Make sure they're not corn.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Right. And then I do the uh, well, I'm gonna buy your stuff now. Yeah. And then I do a I do a little weight and stretching routine the more. I get up at 3 a.m. I do a weight stretching routine.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Do you eat first? You should not fast before going fast.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

No, I fast 18 hours.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

So do do you wear a glucose monitor?

SPEAKER_01 36:00

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Okay, you're having a bicep sandwich. So what happens is so that's continuous monitoring of your blood sugar.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

So is that the thing I've seen guys could go like this? So that would be like a thing.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

So in the human nutrition and food science department, we test continuous blood sugar, right? And when you're mobile and active, you have a surge of cortisol, right? It's the best time for your body to um utilize glucose efficiently. If you don't eat, you will get glycogen storage in your body. It's coming either from the muscle or the liver. So you are eating before you work out. And I can promise you, I'll test your blood sugar and show you. You are eating, you're just eating your biceps or your liver.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Now, this is what you mean. I'm eating my whatever your tissue.

Blood Therapies And Obesogens Explained

SPEAKER_02 36:40

This is the problem. You don't go into what they call beta oxidation, which is where you metabolize fat until your sugars levels are stable enough. So you will go muscle first, fat second.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

But I'm not lifting lifting.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

I'm just getting my body within 30 minutes of waking, you've lost your opportunity. At the two-hour period, we'll test you. You don't have to, I mean, look, I'm a scientist. I'm gonna look at blood and I'm gonna look at hair, I'm gonna look at everything. But I don't mean to sound cocky, but I'll put money on it. You're eating your own tissue.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

If I can't get my arms done.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

And obviously you're doing a hell of a job.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

In hot tubs. A hot tub and cold plunge in the morning. They'll in the at first last thing I do is a cold plunge, then I shower, then I do some retraction.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Are you taking testosterone?

SPEAKER_01 37:22

A small amount of testosterone.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Do they have to put you on uh a remadex or tamoxifen or a massive problem? You cannot so this is what your doctor said. Let me give you a drug that by the way you can't metabolize. So let me give you a cancer drug so that you don't kill yourself. So so you are not, you should be able to take testosterone, burn it up, put it on your muscles, be like He-Man, feel like a million fucking bucks, not have any inflammation. My 83-year-old mother just had her calcium store score done. It was zero. Zero. You are too young to be taking arimidex or tamoxifen, which is a drug for breast cancer, just so you know. But they have made it so common with men because you have, I again, I'm not a gambling woman. I give things away for free. I'll do anything you need me to do. I promise you, if you cannot metabolize testosterone, your toxic level is through the roof. You so so we use I can get super geeky here. Go ahead. Go ahead. So, so we metabolize the cholesterol molecule into a master hormone called pregnanolone, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Oh, yeah. I was taking some of that too.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Okay, so you're taking the master hormone. No, I was. But you should be producing your own. It then goes to DHEA, then we go estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, two classes of hormones called mineral corticoids and glucocorticoids, right? And then we metabolize vitamin D. So five steroids and a sterol. If you're not manufacturing enough testosterone on your own, there's something up chain, right? So then they're adding testosterone and you're back converting to estrogen. That's why they have to put you on an estrogen blocker. Right. You should be able to take testosterone and remodel it into a healthy adrenal hormones. So we probably have an inverted cortisol curve, right? But all of it is because when fat-soluble toxins are stored, we the liver gets burdened. We don't conjugate bile salts. So you'd be like a super good SIBO candidate sometime down the line. You know what that is? Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

Oh, God.

SPEAKER_02 39:22

So when the gallbladder doesn't conjugate bile salts enough as it drips into the small intestine to be digested, it doesn't create the right pH to kill off the bad bacteria. So, so I'm not trying to freak you out, but let's get you. You need to, you need to be, yeah, I don't want your wife, I want your wife feeling amazing. I want to have been there.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

She should have been here with me. She comes to every podcast. We'll do it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

But this is the point. The point is that we medicate our dysfunction instead of taking a whole systems approach to listening to the body. The symptoms are like such an intimate conversation that our body has with ourselves, right? We need to listen, we need to lean in and we need to fix the why.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Is any of this stuff in your book about the guy stuff? Absolutely. It's in this book or another book?

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Absolutely. And you know how I knew you you had to take inhibitors? Like I because you're you're doing cold plunge and you're not eating and you're fasting, right? So you get an inverted cortisol curve, which inhibits testosterone metabolism efficiently. Like, I would love to look at not only the ejection fraction in your echo, but I'd like to look at a gallbladder ejection fraction with you because you you should be able to metabolize testosterone. You've got great muscle mass. You're young. Like that's just because it's common, doesn't mean it's normal.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

Well, I have to be honest with you. I was doing all, I think I was doing all this. I've been cold pledge in 2007.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Fine. But I mean, like it would be As long as you can metabolize your testosterone.

SPEAKER_01 40:42

No, but I'm saying, like, now everyone's everyone's, I I feel like sometimes I had a I was way ahead of this game.

SPEAKER_02 40:48

I was going flying to Moscow for stem cells.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. You're way ahead of the game.

SPEAKER_02 40:51

I opened my first clinic at 22.

Hyperbaric Chambers That Actually Help

SPEAKER_01 40:53

Wait, so have you done stem cells yourself and and NK?

SPEAKER_02 40:57

No, not NK.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

No, I've done NK once. I plan on going back. Well, I'm doing it in two weeks. Will you do NK? That's your own. That's your own stuff. What would we go through up again?

SPEAKER_02 41:05

What they do, so um, when I went through um, you know, kind of my health crisis, right? Um, I did and I've done significant viral panels and looked at, I mean, I looked at my I look at my interleukin one, six, my TNF alphas, the T reg cells.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

Like I I'm something else, but anyway, nerd alert.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

It's fascinating. Big nerd alert. Um, it's not, it's not warranted for me. Maybe at some point in my life, but but right now my platelets are unbelievable. I feel incredible. I have an abundance of energy. I don't do caffeine. Um, again, I travel, I ride horses, I have a beautiful family.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Um you monitor your kids' blood and all that stuff too.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

Absolutely. They're so they're so biohacked, those children.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Are you what about peptides? Are you know that stuff?

SPEAKER_02 41:52

You know, I love peptides for people. I just wish that I was so funny. I have a phenomenal compounding pharmacist um in Michigan. We we uh was seeing the Sultan in Dubai and the Saudi royal family and working with them, and he I was introduced uh to him through them. Um and I'm like, why the heck aren't you compounding peptides for me? You know, um, it's really hard to get clean peptides right now. That's what I hear. So you go out of the country. I was I go to Vienna, I go, I was just in Austria um in Germany, and um, so usually I'll coordinate that kind of care out of the country.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Let me ask you, what was the thing that happened that blew you into the stratosphere of like being an expert and everybody coming to you and you becoming a best selling author? Like what who said she's gotta write a book? Like who what was that moment? Do you know what I mean?

Why “Clean” Supplements Often Aren’t

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Yeah, so I'm super dyslexic. Um, I my reading levels on the third grade, visual reading, right? Third grade, second month. When I set for my GRE, um, they retested me. I thought I maybe would have gotten better. Um, as I was working through things, it was actually my hematologist referred, and he's super open about it. Um, Rocket Ishmael. I don't know if you remember Raheeb Ishmael, football player, yeah, Heisman Trophy winner, yeah. And um, Raheeb had some things going on from a health perspective, and my hematologist was like, you know, hey, you've been through this and this is going on. Um, would you work with him? And I really struggled. I was so gaslit, right? It was like in the 20s, I'm supposed to what stay on steroids. I couldn't. I'm supposed to be on IV chemotherapeutics. They're supposed to take out my spleen, and I'm just supposed to be okay with that. So that's why I took medical leave of absence from vet school, but then I decided to open my first clinic, which is insane. I opened a 6,000 square foot clinic in my 20s. And I in I hired a ton of doctors. I hired a hematologist, I hired a cardiologist, I hired an endocrinologist, and I'm like, we're going to, and my company's called brainstorming session, we're gonna sit here and we're gonna just gonna brainstorm what the hell's going on. And I'm gonna be like the guinea pig and we're gonna do IV chelation with Terry Grossman. Like I was pulling all these people in just to kind of figure things out in Los Angeles, Newland, Colorado.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Where in Colorado?

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Uh Fort Collins, Colorado.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Oh my radio shows that.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

Yeah. So so yeah, okay. So I had got I was in vet school at CSU, Colorado State University. Yeah, I'm a Ram. Um so um Raheeb was the first that was like, uh you know, I'm screwed, help me, right? And I was pulling all these doctors in. And then um I it just blew up. I started seeing a lot of NFL players, I started seeing um individuals.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Because he's like, hey, you gotta check out this person you're working with.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Yeah, and it was and I was so young and it was crazy, but I'm driven, right? And I'm like, and I'm also if I don't know the my goal is to be in a room full of people that are way smarter than me, always, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:39

So I find that probably happens very rarely.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

No, no. But but I I I have I'm I believe in a clinic without walls. I believe that you know, everything we should source things globally. I was interviewing um Peter Marks, the head of the FDA, Sieber, Center for Biologics during the whole COVID thing, right? Um, I flew into DC and I was interviewing him, we were talking about it, and I said, you know, I people were so um stressed and polarized about the vaccine and what was going on. And I'm like, I don't care. You know, I'm in a room with Peter Marks, and I'm gonna ask him everything about J and J. I'm gonna ask him everything about Madurina. I'm not afraid to ask or feel like the hell's gonna break it up. Yeah, or judged, right? Like I'm curious. Um, so then it was funny because I started seeing all these Hollywood actresses when I moved into LA. It was like Cheron, Jennifer Lopez, and Reese Witherspoon. And um this agent, actually, Mason Novick, he's a producer in Hollywood. He did, you know, Jennifer's Body, 500 Days of Summer, Juno. And he's like, You have to talk to my agent, you have to write a book. And I'm like, I can't read a book, let alone write a book, right? I do everything auditorily. And he was on me, and um, I had like 500 followers on Facebook. I wrote the fast metabolism diet. It was picked up by Crown Random House. Um, we had a two-day meeting. Um, it sold millions of copies in 47 languages, and it was number one on the New York Times bestsellers list, and nobody knows who I am, and I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

The fast metabolism book?

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Yeah. Fast metabolism diet, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Is there is it a simple, like what it is? A certain food that you eat?

SPEAKER_02 46:11

It's a so it's I call it confuse it to lose it. So basically, we work on healing the metabolism and metabolic pathways. So I work on the nervous system, the endocrine system, the detox system. So we take a systems approach to how the body consumes foods and uses micronutrients. We have logged millions of pounds of weight loss. Like our community, it's crazy. And the goal is to eat more food to lose more weight, right? When you turn strategically towards food, food is medicine, right? Food is evoking a change in the body, you can actually shift things. So my clients being NFL, MBA, that whole, you know, I would say we've got exotics, uh, uh endangered species in the zoo, and highly, right, highly pressured professional athletes. I could do anything with them. We could fly anywhere in the world, I could go anywhere. I learned so much from having that endless possibility client base. But the thing for me was about Susie in Kansas, about Sally, someone's wife that has a hysterectomy that's way too young, right? But but has to, it's medically necessary. That's always for me been something that was really important. It's why I built my community. There's nobody else in our space that has a community that we do. It's just something that's uh really important and passionate.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

But you would take, like, is that when you would be like, we need to go to Moscow and get stem cells? Yeah. And you would take somebody to Moscow and I've traveled all over the world. Do the the same type of stem cell that Raphael does.

Fasting Workouts Cortisol And Tissue Loss

SPEAKER_02 47:39

So we actually with the first client that I went to Moscow with, we did what they call cardiocyte. So they would grow the cells next to uh heart cells. So this was an individual um that had a uh triple bypass heart attack on the table and had significant ischemia in the um uh I think it was in the left ventricle, and so uh significant heart damage. And so in Moscow, they were growing stem cells or culture expanding them next to, which is really, and then this is the whole exosomes, are you familiar? Yeah, uh in a medium that was separated by a glass barrier, but next to um uh tissue-specific cells. And it was phenomenal. And his ejection fraction completely reversed. I mean, it was it was really inexciting for me in the first time in the stem cell space. Now I want you to know though, we do all of this in the horse industry for decades. So, you know, we IRAP, which is different, but things like PRP and and things of that nature. Um, I I I had spent a lot of time in Germany riding. I rode competitively and I rode in Europe.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Um and so after your hospital experience? Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

When I when I decided I wasn't gonna not live, I decided to really live.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Yeah, sounds like it.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

So you worked with Jennifer Lopez and Reese Withersprin. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

In fact, you said you said something about earlier, like when you worked on movie sets, what like what movie, or I think you said Iron Man was a big one that I came with.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

That's the origin.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

It's the bomb, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

You like so let's go. That's fun.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

I got to drag my kids. Um, so that one I was brought in by Robert specifically.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

So Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, yeah. So you are like his like what? Like his nutritionist, or are you?

SPEAKER_02 49:18

So I consider myself a health strategist. Okay, right? So I'll go into any case and doesn't matter who it is, right? Like I said, Susie in Calin, Kansas, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Tim, whatever. Yeah, absolutely. He's not the one of the biggest actors of the world to you. He's just yeah, well, how can I help you?

SPEAKER_02 49:31

She's an incredible human being, right? That just like all of us has had toxic overload. Oh, yeah. Just I mean, you know, when when um Robert came into my world, I think he had was in had been to 56 rehabs. I don't know if you've ever met his wife, Susan. No, I've never met him before.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Uh I I almost saw him. You were talking about San Diego one time.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

A brilliant woman, yeah, a brilliant woman and it and a just just an incredible family, you know. Yeah. So so I'll be brought in um in in that particular case. Um, I think it was um, gosh, it was it one of the head of the studios, um, I think it was Ron Meyer at the time, uh, was the head of the studio at the time. And um I had worked with Ron and his family. Um, and he had said, you know, we're doing this movie, and we need to get Robert like really a hundred percent. And it was so funny. The first time I went to his house, he had like five Crama Gras guys in the driveway, like, you know, they're like doing all the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

He was shredded.

SPEAKER_02 50:24

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Yeah. So you helped him with his diet and keeping everything.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

And and the next movie with him too, or do you just you know, I've been really fortunate to work with a lot of different people. Um, and you know, I think it's it's a un like this Wednesday, I'm gonna be in a Florida in our Florida clinic, and we have three people flying in from different states. So most of the time, um, I don't take any new clients, right? Uh I haven't for a long time. Um, most of the time, people are dealing with some pretty big things health-wise.

SPEAKER_04 50:55

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

And so either the physician, whether it's at, you know, Harvard or Brigham or NYU or um Mount Sinon, it doesn't matter where it is, they'll call me in and say, hey, can you come in, review a case? Um, we need to assess everything, everything from labs to lifestyle to the biochem to the supplement for sure. Because let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Wait, so if you're helping Robert Downey Jr. on Iron Man and you educate him, so then he now he doesn't need you anymore. Is that how it works?

SPEAKER_02 51:22

It depends.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

Like, like we are you on the set of doomsday?

SPEAKER_02 51:25

We all have no, so I don't do any more studio contracts.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Oh, you don't?

SPEAKER_02 51:29

No. Uh uh, no.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

I was hoping maybe you were on Spider-Man than Spider Man.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Oh, I did Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

You did really the first one. The Toby McGuire one? You were shredded in that too. Thank you.

unknown 51:40

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

We learned a really funny thing about the craft table. You know he's vegan, right? No, he. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Are you pro-vegan? Oh no, you're omni-omnible.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

The sugar on the craft table table was made out of pig blood. You know, I'm like, hello, everybody. Like, stop the you know, stop. We've got to fix things.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

Like how are you at restaurants? Can you do how am I at restaurants? Like, are you kind of like, hold on a minute? I was just getting prepared. Beef tallow, no beef tallow.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Yeah, so I love, I I mean, I'm I'm I part of being able to live, right, is to live in the world. So I work really hard to make my body very resilient. So I like our cleanse and detox, right? Protocol, I do quarterly. I always every time I travel. I had have one, drank one right before I walked in. I take our metabolism shake, which works on phase one and two of liver detoxification. I take a uh uh beet-derived vitamin C to make sure that my adrenals are nurtured and supported. Like I nurture myself. It's so habitual, it's so normal for our our world, for my life, for my kids, for my friends, for my girlfriends, right? Like we all just have this tribe where we're like my goal is to go out in a freaking blaze of glory, right? And feel amazing the moment before I leave. Like that's the piece, right? I don't want longevity, I want quality and longevity. So when you ask, like, how am I at a restaurant? I know how to navigate it. With clients, I'll call ahead, I'll order stuff.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

But you're also in the world. So whatever. Absolutely.

unknown 53:09

No.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

So I so I'm gonna tell you if you have an autoimmune disorder, you don't eat gluten, you don't eat gliadin. There is not a rheumatologist or an individual that studies immunology. Um I I'm heading to Prague in May. Um, I every year I'm at the um International Conference for Autoimmune Disorders. Nobody does gluten or gliadin with autoantibodies. You don't. So, like, get over it, let it go. You probably shouldn't do dairy, corn, or soy either.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

What do you think of red light beds?

SPEAKER_02 53:37

I love them.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Yeah, they're good.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Or have infrared son at the house.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

I I do infrared sonnet before I came here, but I also do a 20 minutes in a red light bed under the uh setting of um uh inflammation.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

I love that you're doing all of this. If you don't fix your toxic overload, you're treading water.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Okay, so when you say fix your toxic overload, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

So I would take you through a very specific protocol, right? We'd first do some identification, we'd then do binding, we'd then do facilitating or mobilization, we'd then do healing of the pathway, then we would make you super resilient.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

And I I can do all that on your website.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

Yeah, but go into my community. Like you don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

When you say go to your community, with the community.

SPEAKER_02 54:18

So go to haileypomery.com forward slash member. Okay. You can go in for 30 days for free. Like literally. I had okay, anybody in the world right now, think about um Andrew Campbell, the head mycotoxin mold uh toxicity person in the entire world. I mean, he's just like the person if you're worried about toxins associated with mold. Andrew Campbell comes into my community. We ask him questions, all my members get to ask him questions. Aristotle Varajani, the the one of the leading in in the immunology space as far as um, he runs immunosciences company. He comes into our immunoscopy.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Books Community And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_02 54:55

Varjani, uh Aristotle, like he I he answers questions for my community members. Like uh Raphael comes into my community about stem cells. Like, I wanted to build so so I went through hell to get where I'm at. I don't want anybody else to have to do that. And I can do whatever I want. And so what I do is I build this juicy community that people can come in and ask questions. I don't want you to just go to my website and feel like you're alone on this journey. You don't have to be. But come in, you can download everything I have for free. I don't care. You can have this book for free. Everybody should have it. Teachers should be teaching this in school. It's what science says is true. I don't know if you just saw that recent study, uh, consumer reports did it, but they took the top 30 supplements that are purchased on Amazon, right? 72% of them didn't have what's on the label. The scariest part for me about being in the supplement space is that I believe it was 42 or 47% had pharmaceuticals in them. So what a lot of supplement companies are doing right now is they're adding prednisone, they're adding sex enhancers, they're adding cholesterol medication into their supplements, not putting on a label. But if you had high cholesterol and you bought this little pill on Amazon and you took it and your cholesterol went down, you'd reorder it, right? So you might think you're not taking drugs and you are. This is independently tested. So it's we're in a shitstorm for lack of a better way. And and we're seeing it politically, right? People it's really funny because I worked on um Participant Media did a movie called Food Inc. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I worked on Food Inc., yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Yeah, is that the was that the is that the um uh um I I've seen I used to saw all those. Is that the one with the fireman and his and his son?

SPEAKER_02 56:33

Yeah, and food ink, it's got the big cow on the front of it. Yeah, yeah. So it was so funny. When I was working on that movie, um, they were like, oh, it's you know, this you're this hippie granola, you know, lefty, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now I'm like working in neuroimmunology and they're like, oh, you're this right, blah blah blah. And I'm like, food should never be politicized. Our health should never be politicized. I know it is. And I and you know what I'm so happy about? So everybody's talking about it. Yeah, the only way you resolve things is to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Yeah, on your website you sell multivitamins too? Yeah. Is there a good you have it for men and women, or it does it matter?

SPEAKER_02 57:05

So the multi should be unisex, in my opinion. Right. And then you tailored. So, so that's again in our community. So we have the community because we have what we call supplement reviews, right? Where we'll go over things with individuals. We have coaches that that so like I just ran a huge 30-day cleanse challenge in January. I'm running another one in May. It's amazing. Um, I love it. They get me for four weeks, right? We do this class, it's there's very large groups, but it's amazing. We have a lot of support team. And then they get three coaching sessions with our certified coaches. So I'm I really want to try to take the clinical experience where my billionaire clients have and give it to everybody as closely as I can.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

You're unbelievable. And it's funny because um we're out of time, they're wrapping me up, but I want to talk to you for like another hour or two. I need a part two podcast and you dole and make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

I brought you a cleanse.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Oh, you did?

SPEAKER_02 57:58

I brought you bars. Oh, you did? I did, yep. Oh, that's awesome. Absolutely. And and there's not one ingredient in there that wasn't hand selected by me.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Oh, that's so great. Yeah. Do you do what do you think about this whole water cleanse thing? Now good. I've never done one. Yeah, I've never done one. It doesn't sound healthy to me.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Everything you do is nutrient dependent.

unknown 58:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

Wait, you brought me a 30-day cleanse?

SPEAKER_02 58:19

Yeah. No, I didn't, I brought you a 10, but you want to do 30?

SPEAKER_01 58:22

No, I'll I mean I'll do whatever you say. I'll do that.

SPEAKER_02 58:23

No, I want you to do 30.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

I did a juice cleanse for 16 days or something.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

Oh, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 58:27

You know what? On the 16th day, I lifted more weight on a bench press than I've ever lifted in my entire life.

SPEAKER_02 58:32

That's awesome. How was your calcium score?

SPEAKER_01 58:33

I have no idea. My calcium score was terrible.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 58:35

So, so it was something Raphael and I have in common.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

Yeah, yeah. So we had a so we had a little meeting the other day, and there was a whole group of people, and Raphael was saying to do one thing, and I was saying to do the other, and I was tired and grumpy, I will tell you that. And I turned around and said, Who's healthier in the room? Do you want to be like him or do you want to be like me? Yeah. I don't have time to explain the why. Follow me. Let's get out of here. I got shit to do, you know. But yeah, no, so so Jenny, we'll do everything you bring me.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

I'll do it all.

SPEAKER_02 59:01

All right, and then you know what we'll do? We'll follow up.

SPEAKER_01 59:03

I would love to have do you come to the here often at all? Don't you say didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Yeah, so my daughter races um and she's here uh in the off season. So she's here for uh Arizona season and they're in Wyoming the other. Race is uh horses.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Yeah, she's a barrel racer. Oh, barrel racer. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_01 59:18

Has she ever done the Houston Lifestock Show and Rodeo?

SPEAKER_02 59:20

She the one that just had the big brawl.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

Did you see that? I used to live in Houston. I just remember how you did it.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's done Houston, she's done Denver, she's done quite a few of them. Yeah, all over. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Well, thank you for being on my podcast.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

Thank you for having me. It's so fun. And let's I want to get you like outrageously healthy.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

I would love that. Yeah, game on. I would love that. Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.