YOU MIGHT BE DRINKING MOLD EVERY MORNING WITHOUT KNOWING!

Your “healthy” coffee might not be as healthy as you think.

In this episode, we sit down with Patrick & Ashley Sullivan from Jigsaw Health and Firefly Coffee Shop, the team behind the documentary Breaking Big Food, to talk about what is really hiding in everyday food and drinks.

We get into mold-free coffee, ultra-processed foods, seed oils, and why reading labels has become a full-time job. Ashley shares how mycotoxin testing completely changed the way she looked at coffee and why they built an organic cafe to control every ingredient that goes into the cup.

We also break down electrolytes in a practical way. Why cramps can point to low potassium, why magnesium matters for sleep and stress, and how simple routines often beat expensive wellness gadgets.

Then we zoom out into the bigger picture. How Big Food changed the American diet, why convenience became the priority, and what people can actually do to make healthier choices without making life harder.

If you care about clean eating, better sleep, mold-free coffee, and cutting through food industry hype, this episode is packed with practical takeaways.

Transcript

Welcome And Coffee Confessions

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. People give me grief because I say I'm new to the coffee world, but I only drink coffee. I've never had anything else. You never had a lot I'd never put cream in it. I don't know anything. I just drink the black coffee that's usually pretty gross. Right? So it's it's uh I did have some coffee. You know who gave me some coffee recently? Um, and I just had it yesterday, uh is um the heart doctor. You met that guy?

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Yeah, he's a customer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Oh, yeah. I wonder if he got Dr. Pump Dr. Jack. No, no, I've got Dr. Jack, Wilson. Different doctor. Wilson. Yeah, just this cardio coffee. Yes, is his brand. And I had that and it was really good. And I was like, I've never had it. I was like, I'm not a coffee guy, but this tastes because most coffee to me is, you know, I just want to get it down so it does its thing, right? Yeah. But anyway, I'm glad you guys came here.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Well, if you are new to lattes, this will be a great introductory. Vanilla latte, organic, you're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

So what's in there? What do you what's the is it cream, milk?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

So it is um pasture-raised organic whole milk, some organic vanilla syrup, not too much, and um just our our espresso, organic espresso. Okay, can you handle dairy?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Yeah, well, yeah, in fact, I'm still I'm I'm still having this like debate about the the milk and the raw milk thing. My son, who's supposed to be here, but he gave me a bunch of questions to ask you. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

Um, I was hoping we could meet him.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

He he he was supposed, he had a dentist appointment at two. Oh, I know. Yeah, I know and and he called it and I'm like, I'm like, I'm on, I go, man, why aren't you here? Because he is, he measures his food. He he won't he told me the other day he went and got a cassette player so that he has no EMF coming from anything. So he and he's like, Do you know where I get some cassettes? I don't want to listen to stuff. Like he turns off the red lights at night, you know. As soon as he he lives, he just moved here from Hawaii because he went to school in Hawaii. Um and he saw your movie when he was in Hawaii. And so when he got here, he immediately went to your cafe. That's amazing. In fact, he was like, Dad, do you know there's this place called Firefly Cafe? I go, Yeah, I've been there. That's where the camel milk was. Of course we have camel milk at Firefly. That's awesome. But when he was there the other day, you didn't have the camel milk.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

No, we don't uh right now. We we have bone broth instead. We kind of changed things up in there just to like keep the keep it interesting for the customers.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Well, your movie was really freaking cool, especially since I went to your place, I think November, right? It was it was open then. Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

We're almost a year, so about a year ago.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

My wife had just this is gonna sound right. My wife had just had a hysterectomy and she couldn't go out. And it was time for her to go out, her first trip out. And I was like, there's this coffee shop I want to check out. She goes, Okay, let's go. So we went and she had to walk really slow, and your place was packed, right? And that's where we saw the camel milk. And I was like, What is this? And then we saw the pastries you had, and there was this really nice guy working behind the counter, and I drank my coffee, and then yet there was like two tents out the front door, and I think they were selling beef and something else. I can't remember what else.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Chef's farm, and they do microgreens, they do farm fresh eggs, and now they do these crazy good smash burgers on the weekends.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

They do?

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Yeah, Saturdays and Sundays, if you haven't been. So it's grass-fed beef, uh, sourdough buns. They use their uh homegrown micro homegrown microgreens and they make their own sauce. It's all seed oil-free, and it will change your life.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Will it be there this weekend?

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Yeah. Yeah. Saturdays and Sundays.

SPEAKER_01 3:39

Is it packed? Is there a line of people?

SPEAKER_02 3:41

I mean, it's probably about as busy as last time you were.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

I mean, that's probably the healthiest hamburger hamburger you can get, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Yes. And I think literally it's the best tasting burger I think I've ever had.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Well, there's a farmer's market that my son and I go to in Hawaii, and there's a smash burger place, and the freaking line is all the way around. And I don't know what if it's they're doing the stuff you're doing, but I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

I mean, it's obviously their spin on it, but I think the ingredients really matter, and that's like that's what's shining here is they're using the best ingredients, and it just tastes better.

SPEAKER_04 4:10

What island is it? Oh, Oahu. We're gonna have to go to Oahu and investigate.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Yeah, that's a write-off. Let's go. Yeah, all right.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

So wait, so let me tell you, let me it's so I I I have so many questions that might sound stupid, but I just don't know. So it is hold on.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

No, it's 3 p.m. It's stupid question hours. You're good.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Good.

Electrolytes Built For Cramping

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Okay, so so the electrolyte business. That's is that is that's jigsaw? Jigsaw helps and then pickleball.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Pickleball orchard, yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Wait, wait, pickleball what?

SPEAKER_02 4:38

The orchard is our indoor pickleball facility.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

But isn't pickleball also what some of the names of the Oh, the electrolytes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Pickleball cocktail is like the potassium forward one. As a matter of fact, we just renamed it to Potassium Cocktail. I gave you some samples in there.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Oh, instead of pickleball?

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah, it's just the potassium cocktail now.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

So there's actually real pickleball involved here?

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Well, the reason we when we developed that product, we were really heavily like marketing in the pickleball space, the pro pickleball space. So we were like, all these pickleball players are cramping all the time. They're like playing for five hours and they're just going down like flies, especially when it's hot. And we know from being in the nutritional supplement space that when you cramp while you're in the middle of an activity, it's likely because of a potassium deficiency. When you cramp at night, in the middle of the night, you wake up with a Charlie horse, that is magnesium. So we're like, we need a potassium forward electrolyte drink to market to these poor pickleball players that are cramping like crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

So were you already in the supplement space before that? With what? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

Yeah. Uh my dad and I started Jigsaw Health in about uh, well, in 2005, so 21 years ago. And we developed Electrolyte Supreme, I would say 2016 pickleball cocktail now called potassium cocktail. We launched that in 2020 and we caught the wave of pickleball about as perfectly as you you could.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

On accident.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

On accident. Like most of our success, it's been on accident, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Well, let me go let me start there with my connection with that. Do you guys know Dr. Carrie Bordinko?

SPEAKER_04 6:09

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

Oh, yeah, Dr. Carrie. Yeah, so I'm one of her patients. Oh, awesome. And she's the best. And she has, you know, and and I trained, I work out there every day. I was there today.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

And they she has uh your product for her people to train. And so I've tried all of it and I love it. And so, even to the point where I got like, you know, client of the month or something like that one time. Overachiever. My my gift was a whole bag of your product. I was like, that's how much I love your electrolytes. So it's so crazy that you guys did this movie because I'm so into this stuff. So then it's like, like, so my favorite right now. I go through these kicks, right? My favorite is orange. Orange tastes like tang. I know. It's it's so good.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Takes you right back to childhood. It does.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah. Like I literally, as we speak, I have two in my fridge. I take, I have a big gallon jug and I put two in there, and it's the best thing ever. So that's so funny. And then every night I take your your magnesium drink at night.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

The mag sooth. Magsooth. I can't even remember the name of it.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much water are you mixing into that? Um, well glass or small glass of water. Okay, that's a good question. Because let me tell you, I've been experimenting because uh I I I get up really early, and as I get older, I tend to pee more now. Uh-huh. So I'm trying to pull back on my pee. So I'm trying not to drink any liquid since after five. Right. The only drink I have is mag smooth. It's mag sooth. And I usually drink that like people drink wine. I used to make it like that. Was my beverage tonight when everyone was talking around? I make the mag smooth and I sit there and drink it lightly. Yeah. Uh so what I started doing is putting a lot less water in it so I don't pee, but I don't know if it does it work better with more water.

SPEAKER_04 7:45

No, no, no. Actually, that's the whole point. Most people will skip over the directions that says uh use two to four ounces. So we, when we do it, it's like two ounces. Um tiny. You can sip on it like you're doing. Totally cool. Uh, we're also working on developing a magso gummy uh so that you basically don't have to take any

Magnesium For Stress And Sleep

SPEAKER_04 8:07

water. And kind of a cool thing that happened about six months ago is we did a clinical trial, a sleep study on MagSooth using Aura Ring and measuring sleep score and basically perceived stress. Uh, there was a, if I recall correctly, a 34% reduction in perceived stress and a 17% increase in uh sleep score when using MagSue. And it kind of makes sense. It's you know, I I like to say magnesium is Mother Nature's original chill pill. Uh, it's like a massage you can swallow. Yo, are any of these lines working on you? Yeah, so I have let me tell you something.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

I have I mean I got more. I have the I I take the to-go packs, I take those when I travel. Yeah, I have the two big, big cylinders. I take two scoops every night, right? And then I mix it, and then it'll, you know, sometimes it goes, sometimes it goes like this, sometimes it doesn't. When I travel, it's cool. I have a I mix it with my toothbrush, the back of my toothbrush.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

I'm always looking for like the coffee stir stick to try to make my maximum in the hotel.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

You you and you mix it, then you can just wash off your not the brussels part, the other part. No, yeah, yeah. Then I chug, and I mean I'm a huge fan of your products. That's amazing, man. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

What a cool like synchronicity that we're gonna make. We're always here for it though.

SPEAKER_01 9:33

But you know, getting back to O-ring, so I have this, I I wear an O-ring, I only wear it at night because not during the day. No, because I it hurts when I lift weights. I lift I work out, so I got the whoop gloves. So I got the whoop. Okay, yeah, and then I got that sleep eight mattress. So you know, I do a radio morning show, so I don't get a lot of sleep. So I'm trying to see what I do everything I can to get the best amount of sleep, right? Yeah, so only once, and it was about a week and a half ago, did I get the same number on all three devices? I got a 91 on all three devices. That's great. And I've been trying, I don't know what I did that night. I've been trying to do everything I did that night the day, and I can't get it back. I can't, but they're all so different.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

So what did you brush your teeth with your left hand instead of your right hand?

SPEAKER_01 10:10

I'm like that. I was like, okay, what did I do? What did I do? So what do you guys you're big fan? What's your best sleep score in the O-ring? Oh man, she's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

I mean, 98, I think, or 97 has been my best.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

My wife, too.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

My average rate stay in the 90s.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Wow, that's good. I think I'm like an 85 average right now, but I did get an 88 last night.

unknown 10:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Really? Do you like uh do you know what your highest is of all time?

SPEAKER_04 10:33

I mean, I'd say a hundred, but I'd be lying. Yeah, I had yet to see a hundred on the Brian Johnson says he gets a hundred all the time. On the aura ring?

SPEAKER_01 10:41

On I think aura ring or the ores.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

He probably uses a couple things. Yeah. But I liked the aura ring already. I like the aura. So I read this survey about all the sleep devices and which one is the best, right? And for some reason, the whoop and the sleep eight mattress weren't in that survey. What? But they I know it's weird, right? But the the the one device that get does everything the best is the Apple Watch. Uh but the one thing for sleep that's the best is the Aura Ring, is what they said. But overall, it's the Apple Watch. But I don't know why they didn't have the whoop in there. And but anyway, yeah, anyway.

Why They Made Breaking Big Food

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Anyways. So this movie breaking big food. Yeah. How did you hear about it? How did I hear? Oh, you texted me. So our mutual friend Marina. Everyone. Marina, yeah, but Marina, but but it wasn't about the movie. I think I knew I knew that you guys were the pickleball people, I think, or the there was some kind of connection with that. And then when you texted me, hey, here's our movie, I was like, what? Because I love I watched all the I love those movies, those kind of movies, right? Like I watched the the dude they ate the McDonald's. I watched documentary. I went freaking, I went, I went vegan for two years because of the what was it? What the health?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

I know which one you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

It was a food ink. No, I saw that one too, but the one that made me go vegan was I think it was called What the Health.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

I think that's it. And I it sounds familiar, but I I think that happened to a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Yeah, because I saw that's why I didn't watch it. I was like, before I knew that I like not, so I did it. I went vegan for a year and a half, and then it was like it just backfired on me, right? So then so, but you the thing about your movie is I I was at the RFK thing here a year and a half ago, two years ago, and that Callie Means was there and he was speaking. I'd never heard of him before, and I was blown away by that guy. Then I found out about his sister. So you guys have him on your movie, which I thought was really cool.

SPEAKER_04 12:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

He really was the inspiration. It was 2024, maybe around the summertime, and he was starting to kind of do the tour thing where he was like he was on all these different shows and podcasts, and he was explaining chapter and verse how the American food system went rotten. And I had never heard anyone explain it quite the way that he did, the way he like put it all together. And the light bulb went on, and both of us, we were just like, we have to figure out a way to help amplify this message. This is like the most important message for Americans right now, I feel like. I mean, we were just very passionate about it. Um, and we have this incredible creative team in-house that we could like work with to try and bring all this to life.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Um you say your creative team is that the creative team within your company at Jigsaw. So you're like, hey, let's do a movie on this. Is that what happened?

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Funny enough, a couple of years ago we did uh our first documentary, which was a little bit of an experiment, but it turned out really good. It's called Breaking Pickleball, and it was a six uh episode docuseries and super fun. So it was like we kind of just our one and only documentary ever, but really then we joke. Like, I think that was the universe kind of getting us practice for being inspired to do this film.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Were you guys pro pickleballers? Did you get to that level?

SPEAKER_02 13:40

No.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

We sponsored some pro pickleballers. We do uh we we do still play all the time, maybe in our minds. Yeah, in our minds. I mean, you should see us play.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:50

Uh on the court, you know, we're pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

But you're you're in the pickleball world, right? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

We sponsor the number one player in the world, Ben Johns. He's been a Jigsaw Health uh sponsored athlete for five years now.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Going on six? Yeah. I have this this buddy of mine, this friend of mine, I've known him for like 20 years. Uh on and off. You know, he was in the he was in the electrical space. He used to have, you know, the one of those places that sells TVs that are like Circuit City or something like that. And then he ended up taking over Apple. He's a big way with Apple. Do you know who I'm talking about yet? Oh, he became a huge pickleball guy. He's like the best pickleball coach, Jack. He ran Apple, and now he moved to where Apple is. Oh, APL or Apple like watches. Yeah, now he's he's been with Apple for like 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Jack. I just know him as Jack. But anyways, but he has he had all the people.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

The only Jack I know in pickleball is Jack Sock. And he's a pro tennis. Jack on the pickleball.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

He was like uh here, here when he lived here. Now he lives over in wherever Apple is in like the in Bay Area. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

Well, hey I'll I'll bet we know him. If I if I search in my phone the word pickleball, there's like 300 names that pop up.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

He lost a lot of weight. You don't know, you know, he ran he ran all the Apple stores here. Was it Jack B. Nimble? No, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

I don't remember what the B stood for.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Jack. Hold on, let me see Jack.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

Maybe Brendan. Jack Brendan Nimble? Jack Saber.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Jack Saber.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Saber?

SPEAKER_01 15:14

No, that's not it. Yeah, Jack Saber. This is him.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

I don't know him. Do you know him?

SPEAKER_01 15:22

I'm gonna send him this. Sorry, Jack.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Sorry, Jack.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

Jack Saber, if you're out there. Uh phone number is 4802.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

So when you decide to do this movie, like do you just have the do you raise funds for it? Do you just put your own money into it? How does that work?

SPEAKER_04 15:39

We had a tax credit from the Arizona State Film Department or Department of Film, I can't remember the exact name of the office. Uh, we got a tax credit to make Breaking Pickleball. And we actually thought we were gonna make Breaking Pickleball Part Two. And so we applied for the credit. We got it again, but we we were sitting around in sort of the summer of 2024 and we felt like we were hitting a bit of a ceiling. We felt quite frankly like some pushback from the universe on Breaking Pickleball Part Two. And that's when Ashley kind of started to put these ideas together. And she's like, What if we made breaking big food? What if we asked Callie to be in a documentary and the pieces started to come together? Why don't you tell about your your health tests that you were taking as well?

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Yeah, kind of coincidentally during this time when all of this idea was kind of starting to formulate and come

Mold Tests And The Clean Coffee Quest

SPEAKER_02 16:34

together. I mean, it was all very, I would say, divinely orchestrated. Like we didn't really know how we were gonna pull off this movie.

SPEAKER_04 16:40

We didn't even know if Kelly was gonna say yes.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

No, we have some basic ideas around it. And I was actually just doing some health tests of my own on the side and uh got a mycotoxin, like a toxin test basically, and found out that I have four different types of mold that I'm like detoxing from uh from food sources. And so, of course, naturally I start to go down the rabbit hole. Where the heck am I getting this mold from? Um, it was shocking because I'm like, it's just I don't know, just doesn't seem like something that's going to happen to you, right? Like I figure everything's fine, but I didn't feel quite right. Um, so I start doing some research and find out that coffee is one of the bigger offenders. And I'm like a huge coffee fan. Like a couple glasses or a couple of uh cups in the morning and then an afternoon latte. It was like the daily ritual. And so I was like crushed. And I'm like, okay, if this is the problem, we've got to find clean coffee. So, of course, start to order some online, but then I start to get sad because I'm like, I want to go to a cafe, I want to like leave my house for coffee. I enjoy that. Um, and then through my research, there's nothing around here. I couldn't even find an organic coffee shop that had all organic ingredients, and then it just kind of became became apparent like we should open up this a cafe, something that can offer all clean, like I can vet all the ingredients myself. We can bring in raw milk, we can, and as we're like in interviewing people for this documentary, like Good Living Greens in Fountain Hills, Arizona.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Yeah, you guys did a lot of Fountain Hills a lot of love.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

We did, and we actually used to live in Fountain Hills, so it made sense at the time. But we were like, okay, we gotta put the Firefly story in here because it's totally like part of what it's our journey right now, and it's it's it's part of the story, like it's part of the inspiration part.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

The in the pre-production meetings that we were having with our director, Cole Uphouse. Shout out, Cole. Uh, we were talking about like what do we want breaking big food to be? Is this like investigative journalism where we're exploring how the American food system went rotten? And that's like the whole scope of the project. But Ashley and I had this sort of inkling of like, we want there to be something inspirational. We we want to highlight what we're seeing at like Good Living Greens and Fountain Hills, what we're seeing at Inspire Farms and Mesa. And then as we started to realize, wait a second, in Scottsdale, there's not a single coffee shop that is organic ingredients for coffee, organic milk, and organic syrups. You can find one or two, but never all three. And so we're like, well, what if we opened a shop in our building where Jigsaw Health is, right next to where our pickleball courts are, and we'll kind of make that the through line of the documentary because we don't know what we're doing. We might as well film ourselves learning about this process. And so the full title became Breaking Big Food, How the American Food System Went Rotten and How It's Being Revived.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

So when you start it though, and you get like as a concept, are you emailing Callie Means, hey, we want to do this movie? And he like literally responds, you'd have to go through his people.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

No, um, we actually met him uh in person. He um we met him at Consumer Health Summit. It's a group that we belong to here in the valley, and it's health people, health industry people that come together for this event once a year. And so we actually ended up sitting next to him and um were able to get his contact information through the networking uh group that we were in. And so we put together an email and we're like, all right, how does this sound? And then it's like, you know what? He's either gonna say yes or he's not. Hit send.

SPEAKER_04 20:22

Yeah, come to think of it. This is like we would have used AI for this, but this was two years ago, like really pre-AI. And we worked, you know, together. It's like, okay, here's what I think the synopsis should be. When we released the film in January of 2026, it's now available on Apple TV and Amazon Prime Video. The synopsis was almost like the exact same thing that we had pitched to Cali via email a year and a half prior of like how the American food system went rotten and how it's being revived. And sort of this vision that we had of like kind of jumping back and forth between

How Big Tobacco Took Over Food

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Cali explaining how big tobacco started to buy up big food in the 80s.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

That part blew me away. I didn't know that part at all. I wasn't because I was gonna ask you guys what is something you learned doing the documentary that blew you away. But for me, when I was, I was like, Are you freaking kidding me? How is that not bigger news? Yeah, what could go wrong, right? Right.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

You know what's funny? It's like I'm getting goosebumps again, and I already know this, obviously, because we made the film, but you're exactly right. That was the thing that blew us away. Cali explaining that in the 80s, as the Surgeon General was starting to basically shut down Big Tobacco, Big Tobacco said, Well, what are we gonna do with all this money? And 1985, RJ Reynolds bought Nabisco for five billion dollars. 1988, Philip Morris bought craft food for $13 billion. And that's just two examples of big tobacco buying big food. By the mid 90s, big tobacco controlled almost 40% of the American food supply.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

Like when you say big tobacco, like who are the CEOs of these companies? Do we know? Like, do anybody I think Lucifer is well.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Yeah, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

I I don't know any names, but because I just wonder, do they know what they're doing? Like there was that documentary, or it was a it I saw a movie and a documentary on the um um uh crisis of opioids or whatever. The Sackler family. Yes, yeah, yeah. And they went after that dude. Yep. And they went after that dude and sued him for billions and billions and then two billion, I think. Yeah, and it's like, so who's that guy for the tobacco and the food business?

SPEAKER_04 22:31

Look, I think so much of history can be explained by the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And as Callie pointed out in our film, processed food was not a thing prior to World War II. That's right. But as Europe was decimated and American farmland was available for feeding Europe, we began to do that. But it's like, okay, we have to preserve this food, we have to give it longer shelf life. So we turn sort of American ingenuity and science and chemistry onto this problem. And we learned that we can do things like, oh, we can turn rapeseed oil into canola oil, and it kind of acts like tallow, it kind of acts like an olive oil, and but it's a lot more shelf stable and it's cheaper. So this stuff that we used to use as an engine lubricant, now we're just gonna throw it in the crackers, and that stuff can sit on a shelf for four years. Holy cow, this is a miracle. So they meant well, of course, yes, and now we're way deep into whoever the you know Mr. Sackler is of you know big tobacco, it's like, well, you know, we've we employ 45,000 people at this company, right? We can't just say, Oh, everything we've been doing is wrong. Everything that we've been doing is hurting Americans. You can't admit that.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

You know, uh um watching the documentary, you start off talking about your health issues.

Thyroid Cancer And Healing Mindset

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Yeah. I was having dinner with a friend of mine who's a doctor, a pretty well-known doctor here, and he says to me, He goes, I gotta tell you something. He says, Two years ago, uh, they did an ultrasound. He goes, and they found this little uh lump on my thyroid and they said we're just gonna watch it's fine. But then two years goes by and it's way bigger. So he had to get everything removed. And so I see he's a doctor, and I sent him your movie. And he goes, he was beside himself. He was like, Thank you so much for sending me this. I can't believe it. And uh he's uh um anyway. Um, so your movie's helping him right now do that. So you did you have you had I think in the beginning you're like, I didn't I had everything removed.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

I didn't want to well now my second case of goosebumps here on your show, John Jay. Um yeah, I talked about my uh in 2014, I was driving home from work and I felt a lump on my throat. About three weeks later, I went to my doctor. He was like, hmm, that could be a thing. And I'm like, all right, just give me the worst case scenario. And he goes, Well, worst case scenario is it's thyroid cancer, and we just have to get it surgically removed, but don't worry, there's thyroid medication that you can use, it's very common, you'll be okay. But of course, all my nervous system heard was you have cancer. Right, right. And it was I don't know if we can curse on this show, but it was fucking horrible. And for us in our 30s, I guess we were, uh, it was this like constant demon on both of our shoulders being like, You have cancer, you have cancer, your mind goes to the worst. Yeah, yeah. And for months I was like throwing up, not because I felt anything. I didn't feel I didn't ever feel anything because I had a lump in my thyroid. I felt something because I had so much overwhelming fear and stress and this like tiger chasing me. Because of the word. Yeah, because of the word. And we got a second opinion, third opinion, fourth opinion. Uh it's a long podcast, so we might as well tell this story where we went to a surgeon that looked like Kramer and kind of acted a little like Kramer, too. And he's like, Yeah, yeah, we cut it out, it's no big deal.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Uh is he a singer? He's like, he's not you're not a singer, are you?

SPEAKER_04 26:10

And actually goes.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

I said, Well, he's a backup singer, so it's fine.

SPEAKER_04 26:14

Which at the time was true because we played in a band together. I played guitar and sang backup. She truly is the singer of the family, but it's so like But it was very insensitive of me in the moment, but I was just went to practical.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

I'm like, the show must go on. He's a backup singer, we can replace. It was horrible. And of course, I'm never gonna live this down.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

And so we eventually did decide to, we found a surgeon that didn't look like Kramer. Uh, and we were like, you know what, let's just take it out because it one one thing that a uh a natural, a naturopathic oncologist told me was the problem with thyroid cancer, it's the good cancer because it's so slow growing, but the problem is it's also slow to die. So any treatments that we use are gonna take a long time for it to react. So take it out. Oh, well, because I was like throwing up almost every day because I just had so much stress and nervousness. See how powerful the mind is? Yes, yes, a hundred percent true. A hundred percent true. Uh in in hindsight, I really wish that I would have focused on my mindset and I would have I mean, I've now become a big fan of meditation. I don't know if you're into Dr. Joe Dispenza at all.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

No, yeah, yeah. He's come up here. Not I mean, his name has come up on this podcast a few times. Yeah, I want to interview him so bad.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

He'd be awesome. Yeah, he is a wizard. He kind of sounds like the wizard in some of his meditations, but really he's put together a scientific justification for meditation that made me think, oh my gosh. It's as simple as if my brain always thinks that I'm running from a tiger, you have cancer. It will never stop and start making the healing chemicals that it can naturally make. Right. Like we hear the phrase that our body is a natural pharmacy. Well, it only does that if it thinks it doesn't have to run from a tiger, if it's not under stress. And I I really have learned, you know, that was 2014. I look back to that time, and I think that health can be sort of simplified, reduced down to four different things. One, your sleep, two, your nutrition, your input, three, your movement, and fourth, your mind, four, your mindset. And I look back at that time and think all four legs of my stool were broken AF. They there was problems in all of those things.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

But you turn it around because I mean here you are and you look like you're in great shape and healthy. And in the movie, a common theme is food is medicine.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

So if if it was 2014 and you know now, if you knew then what you know now, yeah, would you have done something different? Would you outside of the mindset food?

SPEAKER_04 29:04

Well, now what I really believe is that when the body shows signs of what we refer to as disease, it's the body giving a signal to my mind that something is wrong. I'm telling you something. In this sort of modern age, how often do any of us sit there and be still and listen to that inner voice, that inner knowing? And I I know I I didn't in 2014. The only thing I was listening to was fear.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

So you had it, you cut out, and when you cut it out, just like my friend who I was talking to, I was like, What happens? What's life like? He goes, Oh, you just take a pill. Yeah, it is that's simple. He's what he told me, right? It is that simple because I was like stressed for him. Yeah, and then he tells me what pill it is. And I'm like, I take that pill.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

It's uh lavaxothyroxin or whatever it is, or synchroxin, yeah, that way and lyothyrony.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

Yeah, and I think yeah, thankfully, I was able to dial in those two medications really easily, really well. Um, I think that in and and by the way, when they removed oh gosh, this is another part of the the one of the challenges with cancer and thyroid cancer in particular is that they do a biopsy, but then the report comes back as like possible carcinoma. I'm like, what's the word possible in there for? Like, either it is or it isn't. Right. It's possible. Right. Well, when they cut it out, they do actually biopsy it. And they're like, yeah, it was carcinoma, uh, follicular carcinoma. Uh and yeah, it would have probably kept growing unless I learned more about Dr. Joe and learned how to first focus on my mindset. And and, you know, like I said, the other things about nutrition and how often do you meditate? Oh, every day now. In the morning? Like before you start? Yeah, there's a there's a 24-minute uh morning meditation that I do every day. And sometimes I'll meditate while falling asleep at night too. But that morning meditation is like absolutely every day.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

My wife does a morning meditation every morning with a group of people, and they invite people to come and get bigger and bigger and bigger. In fact, they're with my first guests on this podcast were these two gurus from India, and they got this whole thing. They do this whole thing. They started with Tony Robbins, or he was one of the first people, and it's turned into now. My wife said yesterday they had 65 people on the live meditation. Yeah, it's a it's a 10-minute meditation, but it's from these people in India that it's it was it's she does it all the time.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Can you send us a link?

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Yeah, sure. Yeah, you jump on it. I mean, put it on the show. There's people on there that you probably know on the I mean you guys probably you guys know Ian for spiritual gangster?

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Ian, I don't know him, but spiritual gangster, yeah. I know the brand.

SPEAKER_04 31:42

No, no, no, but it the You know Pardeez? The uh the yoga instructor, yeah. Not not Ian, Anton. Is it Ian or Anton?

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Ian is a spiritual gangster guy that's he's um started the company called Spiritual Gangster.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Yeah, it's a clothing line. It's a clothing line, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

But he was a yoga teacher and a lawyer, and he's and he's so he's one of the guys. Okay, there's so many people on this podcast on the on this um thing you would you would know you I would guarantee it's it's pretty impressive. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Well, once you start doing a meditation of any kind and like start experiencing how you feel inside and like how you feel afterwards, even if it's just 10 minutes, it becomes very addicting because you're like, I just feel better. And then you kind of start to miss it. Once you start to get into that routine, you're like, my day just doesn't go as well. Like I just don't feel as good.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Do you do the meditation with them or you don't?

SPEAKER_02 32:28

We do it on our own. Um, typically our morning routine is like we work out, then we sauna, and we each do our meditations while we're in the sauna. So it's kind of a little stack there.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Which kind of sauna, what kind of sauna do you have?

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Uh infrared. It's infrared and um Swedish. Oh, you get the both.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

It's like, oh, it's a combo? Yeah. That's song. What brand is it?

SPEAKER_02 32:46

We had actually a local guy come and kind of build it for us. Oh, that's great. David Saunas. He's fantastic. I would highly recommend him. Um, you can find him on Twitter.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Like, is there really there is.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

I'm not like an expert on it all. I know that they each have their own benefits. Um, like the finish gets a lot hotter, higher temperatures, um, but the infrared can like uh penetrate deeper into the tissues and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Do you do both every time?

SPEAKER_02 33:13

Like can you just turn on the infrared while we're in the hot sauna? The sauna goes up to 195.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

I sauna every day. I sauna before I came here. It's part of my best. My podcast. No, I am in my garage, I have a sauna, and every time I do a podcast, I have to make sure I sauna before my podcast. How long do you go? 20 minutes at 175. That's as high as it goes.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

So pop on your meditation, and all of a sudden you've got a great little sauna.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

That's actually one of the only times I can watch TV.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

So I have to-tv in there just.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

I catch up on my shows. Oh, fair. Although today, it was funny. My my partner Rich, he's in New York right now, and he he was he called me because like what okay, when I'm gonna meet with you guys today, right? I I have a routine I do before I podcast, and it's very dialed down to the minute. So Rich calls me from New York as I'm getting into the sauna, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna watch my show. But he he bumped, he was had meetings with our higher-ups at iHeartMedia, the bigwigs, the owner, the CEOs of the company, and he's telling me about it. So I take the phone into the sauna.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

So I'm in the sauna with him, and he's talking, he's telling me everything, and it's getting now. I can feel the phone getting really hot. And I'm like, it's gonna turn off. So I pop over the door and I hold my hand out like this, and I'm listening, and I'm looking at see the TV. I'm like, oh no, I just didn't see it. And then but Rich has got huge, all this career stuff happening about the corporate guys and all this stuff we're doing, and they like and they like the podcast and all this stuff. So then all of a sudden I'm like he's telling me something else. All of a sudden the phone just goes, the red thermometer. Yeah, boom, phone's too hot, gone. And I'm like, oh, so I popped it off and I was gonna turn on the TV. I had seven minutes left, and I was like, I'm just gonna meditate. There I just sat there for seven minutes in silence, and I kind of like went over this interview in my head, right? I kind of tried to manifest it and visualize it before it happened. So far, it's going pretty well.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

See, you've got, I mean, you know what we're talking about. You you know what Dr. Joe talks about, but you got to envision your future, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Yes, visualize everything.

SPEAKER_04 34:57

Yeah, did you guys ever see what the bleep? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, way back in the day. And again, recently after Go, we went to a seven-day conference, we went to in September 2024, we went to a seven-day meditation conference in Dr. Joe. We've been to that. This one was in Nashville. This was in Nashville.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Oh, do you guys know Craig DeMarco? Oh my god, you got you guys you gotta introduce us. No, but he's he goes, he's been there. If you wreck see it, he's been on this podcast. He owns uh LGO, he owns Chucky. Yeah, we haven't met him. We haven't met him.

SPEAKER_02 35:28

He goes we definitely need to connect him.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

He was there, he was in Nashville. He's he goes to the ones where you don't talk. Yeah, he goes to I'm gonna connect you guys with all these people.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Yeah, that would be wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

In fact, maybe get your coffee in his place. You should be able to sell or sell your coffee at LGO. That would be awesome too. And and he's got all these markets, air guitar. You ever heard of that stuff? Yes, I heard of it. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

I just saw it on Instagram the other day. I was like, this is so cool. I gotta check it out. That's his?

SPEAKER_04 35:51

Yes, his, yeah, yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

We need to meet. I mean, he's doing good work too.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

Sell air guitars, because I had that idea. I patent. No, it's no, but it's a market.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

It's a market called air guitar. Like this high quality food to the community.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Yeah, have stuff nobody else has.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Well, it definitely can be. But he's a huge Joe Dispenser fan. I mean, psycho fan. Like he's he did the silent retreats and all that stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Yeah, I didn't even know he did silent retreats.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Something like that. Yeah, he's done all that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

Well, bottom line, listen to your inner self. You're right. And you can only do it if you slow down.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

You know, the um uh in the in the movie you guys did, there's the lady that lost lots of lot of a lot of weight, right? And then it's and then her brother-in-law had the autoimmune disease. Um, and when he was listing off what he had, uh there I was like, Oh, I I can fix that for him. I know how to fix that. Um but then he's fixed it himself, right? Does he not have it anymore? Through food, right? Yeah, so there's another way. So I I and I tell this story a couple of times on the podcast.

Stem Cells And Preventive Health

SPEAKER_01 36:53

My my trainer at Ben Aser, he's 35 years old and he's had ulcer colitis and pancreatitis his whole life.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

And he's has to go to the hospital maybe twice a year where he's in there for two weeks and it's terrible, right? And he's on all the meds. So I kept telling him about stem cells, and I was like, You gotta get stem cells. I and there's a clinic in Mexico. I did the Carrie Bordinko is the one that introduced me to the doctor. They had they have a clinic in Cabo, a clinic in Cancun, and they do, and this is how they started with this and back stuff. And eventually, long story short, I talked him into doing it. So he goes to Mexico at 35 years old. He gets an IV drip of 250 million stem cells, and immediately he's cured. And when I say immediately, because the doctor said, Let's go, we're gonna go get some enchiladas at the restaurant down the street. And Chris goes, I can't, I can't eat that stuff. And the doctor says, You'll be fine. So he goes, eats the enchiladas, eats everything. Doesn't get sick. Now, of course, you can think it's the prednisone, it's whatever it is that they put in your body. It's been three years. He's been off all medication, he's had nothing, zero issues. Since he was a kid, he's been in the hospital. It's three years, nothing. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_02 38:03

That is life-changing.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

It totally is.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Yeah, I saw some of your posts that you were getting stem cells down there, so I was like, Oh, I go down there all the time.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

I go down there. And he only had one round of treatments. He went again with me another time and did it again, but he was fine still. That was two years ago, the set last treatment he had, but he just did it because I'll go, Hey, I'm gonna go down there again. Why don't you come with me? How often do you go? I try to go every six months just because I'm obsessed and I overdo things. Like and carry's my doctor, so I go with her. She goes with me all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Yeah. In what part of Mexico?

SPEAKER_01 38:35

In Cancun. There's one in Cabo, there's one in Cancun. We go to the one in Cancun all the time. I was just there a month ago. I got what's called NK cells. Have you heard of the NK cells? Yeah. Natural killer cells. Natural killer cells. Those things I'm hoping, you know.

SPEAKER_02 38:46

Have you noticed a difference?

SPEAKER_01 38:48

See, here's the thing. I have not noticed the difference because I think I do so many things that I can't.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

And you don't necessarily have any glaring, like you didn't have like ulcerative colitis or something that were like you're kind of doing preventative, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:02

My father died of a heart attack in 66. My mom got brain cancer and died in 66. So when and so I've been like paranoid. I got three boys. I want to be there for them. Yeah. So I became obsessed with my health in 2007. Yeah. And so it's been kind of a roller coaster for me since then. So that's why I'm doing it. And I believe in stem cells. I feel like to me, the stem cells and the NK cells are going in me, and maybe I don't know yet what's coming, and they're fixing it before. But there's other people I know. I did get in these, I did go uh last August and get these. I went to the hospital there, they injected stem cells into my spine because my back was hurting and it feels 100%. Yeah, it'll do it.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Absolutely. We've done lots of rounds of stem cells as well. Um, and the thing about preventative medicine is that like it's it is hard to know if it's working, but you just have to follow your instincts and your intuition to say, does this make sense that this would be like, hey, let's just keep the ground fertile here.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

And you know, let's not wait until there's a fire to put out.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

Right. That's exactly how I handle it. By the way, uh big fan in the movie, The Dogs. You never acknowledge dogs.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Punk and Lola.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

But the dogs, wait, they got their head the rest of the what are those swapsos?

SPEAKER_02 40:08

No, they are toy Aussie doodles. What? Yeah, I know. That's a thing. Uh and they turn five tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They they love being in the movies. Of course, they don't really know that they were because they were sleeping the whole time, but but but they're happy.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

They're pretty, they're they're not.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Do you treat them like uh with the food you watch what food you give them?

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Uh we feed them raw uh or home. Actually, I just started feeding them the renowned hound. She's a local gal and she like cooks all the food fresh. Oh, wow. And like delivers it whenever we need it. And so uh they eat that up big time. And it's got like all the vegetables and like ground meat and all the things in it. Black beans and spinach, really good.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Here that we work with with my wife and I have a dog rescue. Oh, it's called Love Pop. And I think the company's called Bundle and Joy, or Bundle of Joy or Bundle in Joy. And uh and they have they got a pretty cool slogan, like they like dog mom shit.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

I love it. Yeah, they got I mean, why wouldn't we feed our dogs better? We know how important food is for human bodies. Of course, it's gonna be the same for animals too. And actually, that just brings me back to like the overarching theme here is the inputs are what matters

Microplastics In Coffee Convenience

SPEAKER_02 41:18

the most. So your mindset, that's an your sleep, your stress, like some some inputs we can't help, right? Like what's in the air a lot of times, you can't help that. What's maybe in like maybe your water's not perfectly filtered, or you know, they're just like water things.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

But one of the things that blew my mind too, because when you're talking about the coffee in the mold and when you had it in your body, um, I saw this thing on Instagram, and somebody's making fun of me today that I get all my news from Instagram, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Who doesn't? But I don't fact check it, I just go this is the fact. But it makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Is that not a worthy source? They were talking about the freaking cake cups, the curate cups, how they are they're in plastic, and then you put them in the stupid plastic machine.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Put boiling water through them. What could go wrong?

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Right. And I'm just like, oh my god, what am I gonna do? What else is that?

SPEAKER_02 42:02

I mean, you know, coffee people now.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Yeah, but I drink, I do, I do uh I drink so the way I drink my coffee is I try to drink my coffee about an hour and a half, two hours after I wake up. Yeah, so by then I'm already at the radio station and I don't have the coffee makers there. I have they have this other another two or three other plastic, not the K cups, but these other things that are long and you stick them in a machine. So I just do it out of convenience, but I'm just curious to know what what's happening to my body with these microplastics.

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Boy. Well, the K cups are the first thing you need to kick out of the protein. That has to go for sure. Um, another thing you could possibly do is grab one of those little canned firefly lattes with all the good stuff and try an ice latte in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

An ice latte?

SPEAKER_02 42:42

Yeah, throw it over ice, it's delicious.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

Oh, that's not a bad idea. Yeah, but so it's like that, but I did get the um I went online and I bought these little metal containers. Have you seen those? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

So that's where I put you can put it in the curator. That's where I put you up in the city.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm gonna put that in there. Did you grind it? I can grind it too. But the grinder I have, plastic.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Yeah, right. So I've I've done to slowly like upgrade all your stuff. The K the Kruig machines also are just completely made of plastic. Right. So even if you replace it with the metal cup, is better.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Are your machines at at Firefly all uh stainless? They're all stainless still. Yeah. I like what I really like. Because okay, so for me, it was like I went to your store first, and then six months later I see the movie.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

So it's cool when you see the movie how you're like, we'll put the refrigerator here.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

Yeah, we'll put this here here.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

And it was exactly exactly how it turned out. Yeah. That's crazy to me that it worked out that way. Did they build it on time? Like they did open on time.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

I think they were six weeks behind.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Uh it was the cabinets that kind of fell through. The mill worker all of a sudden was like, hey, it's gonna be six weeks instead of two weeks, and that kind of put us behind. But it we opened on we got it done in the nick of time, of course.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Um, what about the the meat guy, too? I liked him too. Tim, Tim Peterson, yeah. I thought he was great. I thought the graph the apple bread lady was great in a between and we still have all those things at Firefly. My son bought. Bread from you, the frozen frozen bread from you at Firefly.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

I would love to meet him. You got to tell him he's coming in.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

He's such a great guy, my son. He's our kind of people. Yeah, he he is. He truly is. In fact, because of the movie and because of Ethel's bread, my son, he's here with his girlfriend. They started their own, they tried to make their own sourdough yesterday. So there's things, I don't know how you make sourdough, but there's things happening in the street.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Oh, it's a process, it's a science.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

But it's fun.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Yeah. But I want to go to the place of Fountain Hills. Is it still there?

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Good Living Greens? Yeah. You know what? They just moved to a much bigger location. So they outgrew their little shop, that one that you saw in the movie. And it's it's pretty much just across the street, but it's a new beautiful space that's bigger. And I mean, I can't wait to. I think they open officially like this Thursday.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Who knew Fountain Hills was like the Arizona Mecca for clean living? Who knew? It's a little health haven.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

Yeah, the energy's good out there, man.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Where'd you guys move to?

SPEAKER_04 44:50

Uh well, we moved back to Scottsdale. We're off a cactus in 101. We needed a backyard for those really cute puppies.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

Uh in Fountain Hills, we were sort of off the back of a canyon, and it was a beautiful view, but it was just like literally like the deck.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

No, you don't want those coyotes coming either.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

I know.

SPEAKER_04 45:08

Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Yeah, and now we're five minutes from Firefly, so it's so much more convenient just to like pop to the shop when we need to.

Building Firefly And Supporting Local Vendors

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Will you open other locations?

SPEAKER_02 45:15

You know, it's interesting you ask that. We've had uh a number of people be like reaching out re recently about wanting to do franchising, so that is definitely on our mind.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

So if you do that, are you gonna be anal about the rules? Absolutely. Yeah, you should be, right.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

We are very protective about like what we've built there and why we've built it. It's very intentional and it's it would have to be that, you know, the guardrails, right? And and and the right partners, people that like have the same beliefs and the same why and like the same passion for this.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

And probably have been through a health journey.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

I think it would be a smash, it'd be obscenely successful in Arcadia. Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

Yeah, we've had a lot of people. I've heard people say that. Do you live in Arcadia? Yeah, yeah. Do you want to open up one? I would say I would invest in that. Yeah. Uh we have some interest in Gilbert, uh, pure.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

I mean, I'd love to see a bunch of Firefly organic coffee and markets around the valley where people can go and experience, like it's basically like a little farmer's market that you can go to anytime.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

It's a bougie farmer's market. But do you guys go to Sprouts Safeway fries?

SPEAKER_02 46:15

I mean, we still do for kind of the basics. I usually shop at Sprouts for our basic stuff, but like ice cream, Strauss organic ice cream.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Yes, and my son started making the freaking ninja ice cream. Have you had that? Oh no. No, but I bet it's awesome. It's just he's he showed me he just take this ninja thing and he puts he puts a fruit the night before and the raw milk, and then he freezes it, and then it turns into this fantastic ice cream that's hell. It's like 300 calories, and it's fantastic. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

That's the way to go.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Um, but I really love the the way that we've been able to make Firefly kind of a stage for local purveyors, where we've got like the homemade jams, the uh Arizona grass-raised beef, the farm fresh eggs, homegrown micro greens, and local honey. And it's like it really helps these vendors, you know, they're making their living pretty much trying to show up at every farmer's market possible. That's a lot of hard work. I mean, those are long days, and then it's seasonal because in the summertime all the farmers markets go away. So it's like to give them a place to like have their products, yeah. That's true. It's a game changer for that.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

I also like at the end when you're like, hey, look, man, if you're not in Arizona, here's this place. Whatever the website was, I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

But it's oh, yeah, from the farm.org.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

Yeah, was it from the farm.org. Yeah, that was cool too.

unknown 47:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

So what did you guys learn? Is there anything you learned when you're making this movie where you're like, man, I didn't know that. We got to put that in the movie, or is there something you didn't put in the movie you wish you would have put in the movie?

Seed Oils Hidden In Everything

SPEAKER_02 47:37

It's a great question. I don't know about anything we didn't put in that I wished we did off the top of my head, but I just think the the biggest thing was how eye-opening it was the seed oil thing. I was already privy to the fact that, you know, stay away from like the sunflower oil, like try and start reading labels, right? So I was. But when I realized that it's literally in everything and how um inflammatory it really is. And people I think tend to be like, but it's like less than two percent on the ingredient facts, but like everything you're consuming has that in it, it's the compound effect. And once I started to see it in things like hummus and like the salad dressing, the things that we just assumed were healthy that we didn't think we needed to check the label of. And then you start checking the label and you're like, I can't buy any of this.

SPEAKER_01 48:29

Yeah. So would you say the movie, since you say it came out in January, is it a success? Is it what you guys wanted?

SPEAKER_04 48:35

Yeah, I mean, I feel like ultimately I have this big number of like, I would love for five million people to see this, five million Americans. I feel like we as Americans need to like vote differently with our wallet. We really need to create uh and and support local farmers, local food purveyors. I feel like making food local again is a super important point. And I don't know why five million is the number that's in my head. But do you know how many people have seen it? Yeah. Uh we have 4,999,992 people to go. No. Um about uh we we we leaked it on YouTube before it came out on Apple and Amazon. Our distributor was okay with it, and that was about 100,000 views on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

But you didn't go to like a a movie

Releasing A Film Without A Studio

SPEAKER_01 49:25

studio to pick it up, and you know how they do that? Like it's just you guys.

SPEAKER_04 49:29

It's us, yeah. Us and a distributor that uh helped us to basically get it onto Apple TV and Amazon. Um, and it it has about 15,000 rentals between those two platforms since it's come out. It had a hundred thousand views on YouTube for free when we released it and almost like three hundred thousand views on X. So we're I don't know. Is it still there? On X, it is still available.

SPEAKER_00 49:57

Uh Gamba, I paid four bucks. I know. Thank you. Hold on. Thank you for your donation.

SPEAKER_03 50:03

Is there enough there?

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Have you guys made enough to do another movie? Because I mean you could tackle a bunch of things. Like we I think we need a movie on the biohacking world. Oh gosh, I think we need a movie on peptides. I agree. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 50:15

Um, I think uh we could probably get another credit from the state of Arizona to do another film.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

You know, I I don't know what that means. We see you got a credit movie. But do they go, here's $100,000, make a movie?

SPEAKER_04 50:26

No, it would be cool if it was that easy. Not quite that uh you have to apply and you sort of say, here's the synopsis, and it's really all about uh encouraging film production in the state of Arizona, right? So then we basically keep track of like, here's all the work that we did, here's the uh people that we that that did the work, um, here's all the call logs, the call sheets is what it's called. And then we send that in to an auditor, uh like an accountant to kind of review it all. They then submit that to the state of Arizona, they review to make sure that all of it is compliant, and then they give our essentially our business, Jigsaw Health, a tax credit, like as if we paid a hundred thousand dollars to the state of Arizona for the taxes that we owe.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

So you gotta make the movie and then hope that they'll give you the yeah, and that is correct.

SPEAKER_04 51:17

Sorry. You do have to really you do have to publish it. You have to publish something. Um, it doesn't have to come out like in the theaters or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

But we knew we had the credit before we made the movie. We knew that they approved the project.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

So it helped to cover the majority of it.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

And then you hire the director, yeah, and then he you just let him do his thing.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

Yeah, we worked with Cole. Uh okay, so we worked with Cole up house. Uh he's uh Arizona native. Uh I'm pretty sure he's Arizona native, but we we worked with Cole on breaking pickleball. And so we had this experience, and then Cole sort of directed our team at Jigsaw Health, uh, editor, graphic designer, sound engineer on like the vision. So the team, the production team was really small, about six people by the time it was all done.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

But then he'd be like, All right, we're gonna walk into the coffee shop and you're gonna show us what we're gonna do. Ready? Action. And then you guys walk in, and then you'd have to go in later and do the voiceover in some studio or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 52:21

Yeah, they uh ADR, I think they call it.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

I mean, we had microphones on though, so most of it was done as it was filmed. If there was any kind of mess-ups or any kind of weird hiccup with audio, we could go in and fix it in the studio. But most of it was like filmed.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Were you there when they were interviewing Callie Means? Uh uh Yeah, yeah. I was like trying to figure out because he was like sitting like this. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, I go, wait, I think you need to sit back. And then about then later I was like, actually, it looks pretty cool. He was being intense. Yeah, he was being intense. Yeah, we wanted the drama factor there. Speaking of Callie Means and his sister, there were there was like all this hype with them for the longest time. And now, did did something happen? Like, is he uh has has he faded a little bit or has he not faded?

Callie Means In DC And Culture Shifts

SPEAKER_02 52:58

I think he's pretty busy working in Washington.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

Um, did he get appointed to something? He is either working for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in HHS or he's a part of White of the White House. Um, but he did get hired. He relocated to DC and he is working as a part of the administration.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Oh, and that was his wife on the show, too, right?

SPEAKER_04 53:20

And that was his wife, Leslie.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

I want one of those days, you guys that's what's the one. Shake up superfood.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

Yeah, where's that truck? Well, since they moved to DC, the truck is kind of sitting in the garage somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

Oh, that was his truck.

SPEAKER_04 53:31

That was well, that was his wife's truck. That was his wife's truck. Oh, I didn't know that. And and they were really good though, right? But uh Leslie and what she was designing to do, uh, you know, for Shake Up Superfood was also part of our inspiration of like, that's why this shouldn't just be investigative journalism of like, here's everything that's wrong, and it's like sad thing, angry thing. Are you kidding me? Why is this happening? Like, we wanted to balance it out with like, but there's people who give a shit that are like doing things at a local level. And why don't you at home, how does this apply to you? Like, what could you do in your neck of the woods to make your neighborhood better, to make food better for you and your neighbors?

SPEAKER_01 54:14

There's a place when I was in Hawaii that I went to all the time, it was called uh God, what's it Sunrise Shock, and they make asay bowls and bata bowls and stuff like that. And they have a spirulina bowl and it's blue. And I would get that with protein powder, and I couldn't stop thinking about the blue drink the kid had in the movie. And now it's gone. They never said what was in it. Spirulina was the blue drink. Oh, yeah. You guys need to, I think at Firefly, maybe have the blue drink available for it. It's a revival. Maybe we had the blue drink from the movie here now. Everyone can get it because it's it looked that thing looked delicious to me, right? Oh, it is delicious, yeah. Not too sweet, really flavorful.

SPEAKER_02 54:49

Well, you never know what could happen.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Is Callie Mean's sister is she involved too? Wasn't she gonna be Surgeon General or something? She was nominated.

SPEAKER_04 54:55

Oh, she wasn't. She was nominated. She already made that call. Blocked, yeah. She was blocked uh by I think it was Senator Cassidy or something like that, maybe from New Orleans, uh, who seems to be very friendly with Big Pharma. Big Pharma, not a big fan of Dr. Casey Means. So Callie and his sister Casey wrote the book Good Energy that came out in early 2024. And when we saw Callie speak at CHS in the summer of 2024, they were sort of kind of promoting that book. It was, you know, on the on the book tour. And yeah, Casey, we we well, we asked her to be a part of the movie too, and she was like, I think I don't have like I have too much other stuff going at the time.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

Yeah, she by the way just had a baby, the doctor. So yeah, yeah, she's the doctor, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

She's the one that I saw speak somewhere or online where she's she is a force. Yeah, she's like, look, I went to alt med school, I'm in Stanford, I'm on the board, and guess what? They never taught us about nutrition, right? That blew my freaking mind. Isn't it amazing? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:01

And uh turns out the inputs matter, the environment matters. Dr. Joe was the first person, Dr. Joe Dispenso was the first person I ever heard here say that genetics makes up one percent of the outcome, environment makes up 99%. How is it that unbalanced? Because we, I feel like since the 90s, since the genetic code has been mapped, have been told it's like, well, your genes is your destiny. Your genes are your destiny.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Bullshit. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Hey, what about uh I gotta bring this up because he's in your movie, Joe Polish. Do you guys have a Joe Polish connection? We do, we are friends with Joe Polish. I freaking love that.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

All roads that lead to Joe Polish.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

I was trying to explain it to my son. I'm trying, so my son just graduated college, he's trying to figure out what he wants to do. He's gonna go get his master's. Then he's like, you know, I'm reading this book where you don't need to go get your master's, everything's out there. I introduced him to this one guy that started a business, the the the drink um Celsius, one of those guys that's very unhealthy. Um I started telling about Joe Polish. And I'm like, I go, this, I he I try to explain to him Joe Polish. And I can't. But now keep in mind, he saw your movie, let's say uh in January. Okay, let's say he saw your son saw your movie in January. I have since then talked to him about Joe Polish, but it didn't click that Joe Polish is in your movie. Yeah. I'm watching your movie and I see Joe Polish after I've lectured him on who Joe Polish is. And I'm like, get in here. Yeah. I go. So when I'm leaving, he goes, Well, you asked him about Joe Polish. So so it's like, it's amazing. I I've interviewed him. I'm fascinated. He might be one of the most fascinating people I've ever met. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 57:42

And ultimate connector and loves to help people.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

He does. So it's just like he just puts out good.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

There aren't that many people in the world that you just know, like, if you truly needed something. And I'm not, I mean, we it's not like I've known him for years and years and years, but like I already know if I really needed something, I could text him and he would move mountains to try and help.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

You're so right. It's fascinating to me. So are you part of one of his things, or are you just mad at him?

SPEAKER_02 58:11

No, we're just friends through the health industry. Like we have so many connections just in common, um, that we've just become friends, and he's a regular at the coffee shop now, and he comes for a Smash Burger every weekend. Oh, he does? Oh, maybe I'll see him doing this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 58:23

Well, that's another thing. Freaking uh Amelia's. I go there too.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

Stacey Weber, she's amazing. I mean, we're such big fans of what they do there. I mean, yeah, I just need more places like that.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

I love that place. Me too. I I find it confusing. Amelia's by eat.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

Yeah, I know. It's it's because her catering company that she's had forever is Eat by Stacy Weber. And so she called her first restaurant concept Amelia's, but she wanted people to be able to connect the dots by eat. It's the catering company.

SPEAKER_01 58:52

I went there to go eat one time and they sat me at a table next to Joe Polish.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

You're like, oh hi.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

I had already known known him already.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

So I was like, what the heck?

SPEAKER_01 59:00

That makes sense. It's yeah, it's unbelievable, man. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Our little uh it's like our health circles here locally, it it feels so small. And like pretty soon we all kept connected. Well, Alex Clark, too. Yeah, so and she's just so amazing. We were so happy to have her in the documentary.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

She's great, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:18

And then she was amazing and had us on her documentary, which has been so fruitful for our business. Like so many people found out.

SPEAKER_04 59:25

No, no, no, her podcast. Oh, her podcast is a good thing. Yes, Alex Clark's The Culture Apothecary.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

Yeah, like so many people coming in because they heard about us on her podcast, like from all over the country.

SPEAKER_04 59:34

That's the amazing part, dude. We have people that are like, Yeah, I uh was in town visiting uh or doing some a job doing some here for business, and my wife said, Oh, you're in Scotts Hill? You need to go buy Firefly because I heard about it on Alex Clark. Yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 59:51

My son landed from Honolulu and said, I need to go to this cafe called Firefly. And I'm like, How do you know about Firefly? Because I saw it in the movie you said, oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 59:59

Oh yeah, yeah. I never would have guessed that we would have so many out of town guests. We we love it. Come on, come all. We're happy to have you.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

By the way, this whole movie, you know, the Make America Healthy Again movement and all that. Have you gotten any crazies, any negative stuff?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

No, knock on wood. I wouldn't, I mean, we haven't had any death threats or anything uh wild. I don't think any. I mean, not that I've seen. I don't really spam keep up too much on all the comments, but what that was a pretty good joke. Oh, I hate it when I miss your joke.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

The death threats, they might have gone to spam.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

Oh yeah, we we do filter all those displays.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:32

Don't make me explain the jokes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:33

Never mind. It's funny because I make one comment about something and all hell breaks loose. Well, you have a bigger following than us. No, exactly. Well, exactly. I guess the people that are coming to your place are the people that already believe in that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:45

Well, it's almost like we sort of put up an invisible bat signal or something, and the people that are like drawn to raw milk and farm fresh eggs and mold-free coffee, they're like, maha, just like they they they show up and they've been there. And it's I mean, it's actually I feel like there have been some, like, well, to me anyways, like celebrity sightings of like oh, like Aaron Seary's here. Have you had him on your podcast yet? Aaron Seary? I'm not I don't know that. Okay, so Aaron Seary uh has a law firm based in Phoenix. I didn't even know that. He was recently on Joe Rogan podcast explaining why uh it's a bad problem that vaccines are the only product in America that you cannot sue the manufacturer for if they f if they failed to reach a level of safety. Right. Um, if you haven't had him on your show, he's a character he's I've never heard of Crowd. He he lives here, and I I I was googly-eyed when I saw him. I was like, oh my gosh, it's air.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

Well, you saw him on Joe Rogan's podcast first, so that's how you knew he was.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:49

I I've been following him for years. Oh, I'll look him up. Um he he was involved with Del Bigtree in a great documentary called An Inconvenient Study. Um that's available for free. I know it's on X, it's probably on YouTube as well, but it's about uh a study done and never published about uh vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children. Oh wow. And uh yeah, it's just uh I mean a whole nother rabbit hole to go down.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

I'm doing a thing with Dr. Pompa in Houston, um, and it's him and Jenny McCarthy and the stem cell doctor I was telling you guys about. Awesome. They're gonna be uh uh doing that thing. But that's another thing, Dr. Pompa, too. Oh, yeah. He told me about you, he's been to your coffee place. I'm a big fan of his. I had him on this podcast before.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:31

Yes, when he did the reel for us, um, we had just a slew of people coming in for the next several weeks, like, oh, I heard about you guys from Dr. Pompa. I'm like, that's incredible. I mean, like, he has such an amazing following. We have a couple Rob Schneider sightings at the shop.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

Oh, really? Uh I just had him on last week.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:48

I know I saw that. I saw that. That's awesome.

Seed Oil-Free Market And Wellness Event

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

One of the cool things that I feel like really kind of put us on the map for people looking for this kind of thing was last September, we hosted a seed oil-free farmer's market in our pickleball space next door because we were going to a farmer's market. We went to one in Flagstaff kind of like last summer, and I was like, I hadn't been to a farmer's market in a while, but I was hungry, and I was like, I can't find anything here that I would eat. They're all cooking in seed oils. This is practically a fair, like a state fair. Uh and and you know, besides just the people with like fresh produce, everything else just like, and I was looking at the ingredients of like the jerky and all this stuff, and I'm like, someone needs to do a seed oil-free farmers market. And then we're like, well, it's summertime, all the farmers markets are closing down because of the heat. We have this big empty box, which is a pickleball court facility. What if we just hosted a seed oil-free farmers market, recruited a bunch of the local places that are doing it right, and see how that lands? How did it go? Amazing. I think we had 400 people come through the very first time.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

How many vendors did you have there?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

We had about 15 to 20. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:55

Wow. Is was there room for more?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

There was room for probably 10 more.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Maybe because if you I think it'd be a great idea to do that again in the summertime. And I will promote the hell out of it if you do it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:05

The tough part is um, because it was food-based, it destroyed the pickleball courts. So we have to have them professionally cleaned after each one. But I'm like, it's hard. I really want to do it again, and everyone wants us to do it again. But it's kind of that like, do we do we just bite the bullet and have it clean professionally after it's a good one?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:22

Pretty soon, I would assume the farmers' markets are shutting down, right? Yeah, exactly. Is it? I mean, maybe this weekend they still around, maybe another two weeks. It's not long.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

I would say probably done. I mean, by June. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

So for our one-year anniversary coming up this coming Sunday, we're doing a wellness event instead. So it's not food-based, but it is all local wellness vendors that are all setting up in the orchard pickleball space to just tell people about what they do. Um, I think there's so many amazing like wellness and like doctors and all kinds of just like different wellness modalities right here in the valley that people don't know about. So that's kind of the spin we're doing at best this summer.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

So like what do you think? May 24th. Like who's gonna be like what kind of company is like who off the top of it?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:03

Oh gosh, we've got like organic hair care, uh salon. Um, we've got uh acupuncture, we've got energy healing, we've got a Reiki person, we've got integrative medicine, we've got um, I think um what is the the place that you mentioned that you work at at? Benes Fair? Oh no, Dr.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:23

Carey's? Is Dr. Carey's?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:25

No, she's not going. I it's sorry, it's another place that I Joe Polish recommended. Um I'm spacing on it, sorry. All Rosalie to Joe. Alright, like a pop-up Pilates gal, and like just all kinds of various, like uh there's a jiu-jitsu guy coming. Like he teaches jujitsu and has like a school and that's great. Um just all kinds of random things like that that uh you know, I feel like can be part of anyone's health routine, right?

Where To Find Firefly And Jigsaw

SPEAKER_02 1:05:55

That that maybe you just don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:57

I love that stuff. So if s we're watching right now and Want to learn about Firefly? Is there a website or just Instagram? Where do you tell send people to? Or is it pickable or is it jigsaw? You guys got a lot of brands.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:06

I know it's a problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

So wait, just so I understand, there was pickleball electrolytes, but that name has changed now.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:13

Yes. So uh let's start. How about chronologically? That's a good way to uh so jigsawhealth.com, which my dad and I started in 2005. And on jigsawhealth.com you can find potassium cocktail, which used to be pickleball cocktail, okay, but it's now potassium cocktail, it's an electrolyte meat drink. Uh, you can find also Firefly Coffee Beans on jigsawhealth.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

Oh, you can just buy them online.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:38

Yeah, you can just buy them online. Um, and also then you can find Firefly at fireflycoffeeshop.com or on like Instagram would be firefly.organic, I think. So the orange electrolytes that I drink. Shoot.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

Are the orange ones potassium? Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 1:06:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:54

And we have a blue raspberry in that as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

I've had the blue raspberry before. I've I've had all of them. Yes. The berry is and the orange are my favorites. Yeah. Those are the OGs. Yeah. But they're all potassium ones?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

No. So the berry is the electrolyte supreme.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

I've never, you know, it's funny is I see those titles, but I just thought they were all the same.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:12

I mean, they're all electrolytes. Really, the potassium cocktail is just loaded up with as much potassium as two bananas. So it just has extra potassium in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:21

And the electrolyte supreme is more of a broad spectrum where it has like B vitamins, it has magnesium, potassium, but just smaller amounts.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

Are any of your things um on Amazon? Yes. Olive bar. Okay, so easy the coffee?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

Uh shortly it will be. I know the team's working on that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:37

If I go to Amazon right now and I show you. No, I'm gonna show you your history? Yeah, yeah. All right, let's see the shopping cart. I'm gonna see uh the um what's it doing? The uh the I see I can't remember the name of the sooth. Magsooth. Magsooth. Yeah, yeah. If you look up uh Jigsaw Health. I want you to show how many times I bought it. Okay, buy it again. Uh let's see, let's see, where is it? Magsooth. Oh, here's my dude wipes. Oh, here is the Magsooth Jigsaw Health MagSue uh to go pack. It's $59. That's right. Will it tell me how many times I purchased? Uh last purchase March 9th. Purchase eight times.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:16

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

Okay, but where's the where's the big one? Because one time I ordered the container and it sent me the packages by mistake, I guess. Yeah, but it would I didn't know those existed. Oh, and you were like, that was a great move.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:27

It was a happy accident. Happy accident. Yeah. That's right. And for folks, uh, it's actually a 60 serving container and a 60 serving of packets. Um two months supply. That's right. So it's basically a buck a packet.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

Oh, here it is. Magsooth. This is the one that I've ordered a lot. That's where would it say? Okay, here we go. Purchased April 2026 is my most recent one. And purchased 27 times.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:53

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

I feel like thank you for your business. Customer of the month for of the year. I'm gonna be able to afford this trip to Oahu after all. Purchase 27 times, dog. That's awesome. That's awesome. And do you play pickleball?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:04

I'll meet you a few more while we're picking up your phone.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:07

I got to a point where when I finish one can, I got and I have a backup, I ordered a new one. Hey. So I just finished it last night. That's smart. Two is one, one is none. So when in this product, how much magnesium is it? I don't even know. Carrie told me, so I just do it, but I do two scoops.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:20

Uh that's good uh because you are a taller guy, bigger dude. Um, there is, I think, like 200, 200 milligrams of magnesium and about 240 of potassium, if I recall, or maybe it's 180 in MagSue. Yeah. So there's a little potassium in there as well. Uh, as Ashley was referring to, there are two types of muscle cramps. If you're in the midst of playing an activity and you start to cramp up, that's likely a potassium deficiency. That's why potassium cocktail, we kind of market that more as like a pre-game. MagSue uh helps to, you know, if you're cramping up Charlie horses at night, you know, and brain chatter, just brain chatters. Well, that's for sure. The brain chatter.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

Exactly. You know what you guys saw. I'll throw out some more suggestions. I think you need to have a pickleball or a what's the brand again? Jigsaw green tea. Yeah, I need a green tea thing to throw in there. I heard green tea. I keep hearing about green tea, how great green tea is.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:14

We do sell it at Firefly.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

I think oh you have a good organic. I think you guys should maybe go try to find the best supplements you like that are healthiest and sell them there. Because I'm going all over the place buying my supplements, some of them online, some of them like I go to I go to uh Joe Jack Wolfson's place and I buy some stuff from him there, then I buy some stuff online. I just want to go to one place that's the best. Yeah, the way you did it with the with the food in the refrigerator. That's right. Have a nice supplement shelf. Yes. There you go. Stuff to work on.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:44

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

I'm gonna put that in the and then you gotta do the documentary on peptides. That's right. And the documentary on biohacking.

Biohacking Experiments And Final Laughs

SPEAKER_01 1:10:50

What's what works and what doesn't work?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:51

Gosh, do you want to be any in the biohacking one? I feel like you do it. I do all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:56

I do it all. I don't know if it works or not.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:57

I do just you do. That's it's all starts here. So if you believe it works, it works.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

I listen to all these people. I'll tell you the most do you know the photobiomodulation, the PBM, the red light beds?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

Yes, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

So I'm kind of obsessed with those. So I that's part of my routine. I do a red light bed every day, and I lie in there for 20 minutes and I have these little eye, these little things go over your eyes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

I see this biohacker, Gary Breca. He talks about he did it, and I may have heard him, he was on Joe Rogan, and he talked about doing it and not an opening of his eyes. And he says it helps his eyes. And I'm like, I'm like, well, that sounds that makes sense. It makes sense, it would help right with the eyes. So I asked Carrie about it. She was like, Absolutely not, don't do that. So then I saw another person said that they do it with with without the thing. So Friday, I'm like, I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:38

You're like, sorry, Dr. Carey.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

So I get it, but what I decided to do is just keep my eyes closed. I didn't put the things on, right? Yeah. So I kept my eyes, I figured this is a thin layer of skin here. The PBM lights gonna go in my eye. So I'm in there for 20 minutes and I it's over, I get out, and I can't see.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

No, it's like everything is black.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:54

Yeah, and then it came back and it was really bright, and it came back. I was like, all right, I don't think I'm gonna do that again.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

Did you feel like you could see better?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

No, not yet. You're like, well, trying to know how many times I bought the mag smooth. I was like, Yeah, where is it? Yeah, yeah. So anyway. So that's what I try everything. I tried the methane blue. Have you heard of that one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

Methylene. Methylene blue, yeah. I tried that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

And then and uh I tried it, I peed blue almost immediately, which freaked me out that I talked to two of my friends who are doctors. They said, Don't do that. That's a that's a clothing dye. I'm like, okay, good or no.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:27

Yeah, it's a little bit controversial. Um, I do like putting a couple of drops in it in my mag sue that night before bed. Oh, you too. I'm not overdoing it. That's more of a just kind of a slow little Really For mitochondrial health and off.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:41

Like, don't do it all the time. Like, we're kind of off right now. I yeah, we kind of cycle it. Yeah, cycle it basically. Did you pee blue?

unknown 1:12:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:50

Um, only when I take a lot. I would say, you know, if you just do a couple IV.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:53

Oh, god, then you'll pee. Oh, really? It's a lot. It's like a lightsaber of blue pee.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

It's like a smurf pee. Yeah, like, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

Well, well, anyway, thank you guys for coming in. Thank you. Thanks for having us.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:07

This has been super fun. Oh, was it? Oh, good. Yeah, thank you. Good, thanks, man. All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.