Ep 4 - How to have a wedding under £10k plus Andrea has some news! 💍

We're back...... Did you miss us?! 

Well technically Andrea's back after sodding off on holiday! #selfish 

But she share's her happy news - her partner proposed! Hear all about the very romantic proposal that 24 minutes previously Andrea text Jordan moaning that it definitely wasn't going to happen, including a WhatsApp of her knickers... its a long story 🩲😂 

We also discuss ideas and ways to have £10k wedding including some harsh truths about your guest list and the idea we're obsessed with at the moment - a twilight wedding! Now this isn't a vampire inspired wedding, but instead a late wedding that goes straight into the evening reception! 

We talk about what we've seen on TikTok including @morgan.bold who inspired us with her twilight wedding in Liverpool. If you're looking for immaculate vibes then seriously check out her page... we went down a rabbit hole with her content, not gonna lie & we love her! 

We also touch on should bridesmaids pay for their dresses and would you rather pay and have compete say over your dress or let the bride fit the bill and where whatever? 

Let us know in the comments and don't forget to listen out for the secret code word in this weeks episode!

Andrea & Jordan

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Transcript

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Welcome to the Bride or Die podcast with Andrea and Jordan. We'll be able to help you with amazing hints and tips for your wedding. And with 20 plus years of wedding industry experience between us. Trust us, we've seen it all. I think the idea is lovely, but don't put it on display. And we'll give you all the behind the scenes gossip and Bride or Miss that. I got divorced. I bought a wedding dress shop. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Make sure you don't miss an episode every Wednesday. And mixed results. It's crazy now. Unfiltered, unhinged and totally unforgettable. you Hello, welcome back everyone. Hello, welcome to episode number four of the podcast. Aren't we doing well? I know! And we've had, we're approaching 200 downloads. I know, that's so exciting. Thank you to everyone that's listening. Yes. Honestly, it makes my little heart sing. Same. It really, really does, which is probably why I'm such a loser because I'm like Sally Fields when she got her Oscar. They like me. They actually like us. They really like me. That's really cute. Wow. Well, also, we cannot skim over what's been going on. Obviously, Andrea abandoned me to go on holiday, which I was absolutely disgusted about. Yeah. Sorry, not sorry. That's why we had a little bit of a gap in our production, but for a very good reason. And she's really embarrassed and shy. She doesn't want to talk about it at all. But Andrea does have some news to share with us. So I went away on holiday with my lovely boyfriend and his family, and we had a very lovely lovely holiday and it was definitely needed because i was frazzled as fuck um and yeah just needs it and i feel so much better but whilst away he asked me to marry him And I think I said yes. I think you said yes. I think I said the F word part of it. There's something around, yes. Oh my God, oh my God. Sorry, I'm just finding our conversation. I'm just finding our conversation from the day. Don't worry, I've screenshotted it. I will make a TikTok about this because it was the... funniest thing so I had an inkling it was going to happen because basically god bless that man he couldn't work out a way of finding my ring size other than asking yeah So just asking for a friend, babe. But if a friend asked you what your ring size was, what was it? Like instantly, K, might be number five in the US, you know. And that was before Mother's Day. So I had like a little bit of an inkling, but it was like a pendulum swing of it could be happening. But let's not get our hopes up. No, you might just be winding you up. Can you imagine? This message is so funny. So this was the day of, wasn't it? This is half past eight. So we went out for a really lovely meal. And it was I sort of picked the restaurant. So I picked something a bit romantic just in case, just on the off chance, just to help him out. And this restaurant was beautiful. And it was it was we went to sort of Malaga and it was up in the mountains and overlooked the arena and the city and everything. It was really, really beautiful, gorgeous panoramic views of the coast. It was lovely. And we got there and we kind of. dodged a rain shower and so there was lots of rainbows like so many rainbows and we literally we were walking to the restaurant and there was like a sort of platform balcony bit and we stood there and oh look at the rainbows oh it's so lovely and I said oh should we take a photo and he said yeah okay and then the other people that were there members of the public kind of dispersed and it was just me him and the rainbows and it was beautiful and I kind of stood there and held my breath and then went and you know held my breath and then he went right come on then should we go we're going to miss our reservation I was like oh okay perfect opportunity okay right that's fine just enjoy the meal it's clearly not happening so i text jordan like three courses later i'm sorry i'm just gonna nip to lou yeah i was like right i'm gonna text jordan and then what did i you said and i quote i'm reading this out definitely not a sniff of a fucking ring on this holiday a rainbow for fuck's sake Just as we went into the restaurant on a secluded balcony and he still didn't get down on one knee. And I was like, oh my God, I thought that was going to be it. And then she sent me a toilet selfie. Literally, pants around my ankles. And then literally, what, 24 minutes later, turns out I could be wrong with a ring pick. Honestly, and I was... Oh, it was so lovely because he was like, oh, let's go for a walk. Yeah. And there was sort of near, it sounds really rough, near the multi-storey car park.

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but it was a tale of two cities. There was, it was like a old ruin and it was illuminated and there was loads of fairy lights and, and that was like overlooking, you know, the city, which now it was nighttime. So all the lights were twinkling and, and it was, it was really beautiful. And he, and he made me sit down. I was like, Oh my God. And like, I remember walking as we were like, Oh, should we go and have a look at that? And I remember feeling like it was like this weird energy, like this electricity. And I was like, I think it's going to happen. Oh my God. Maybe I'm wrong. Oh my God. Oh my God. Like internally, I'm going to hold the mic away now. I'm going to go, oh my God, it's happening. It's happening. I think it's happening. Oh my God. Oh my God. Right. Calm down. Calm down. But on the outside, I was like, oh, should we go over there? Oh, yeah, look, there's a tree with all the people carved their names and love hearts and all that. Oh, look, there's a chapel. Should we go and see the chapel? And I'm trying so hard to play it cool. Like, my life fucking depended on it. If you want. But then when he did sit down, he got down on one knee and he asked me and he used my full name and all that jazz and lovely. And we were so lucky. There was this really lovely couple nearby that I think probably heard me scream. Yeah. you know with excitement and they were like oh let me get a photo let me get a video and so that little video of me completely just giddy with excitement going oh my god oh my god i had no idea i'm still on bumble i had no idea we were this serious yeah i'm still on the apps babe um yeah no but the boy did good and the ring was gorgeous uh ring is gorgeous ring is gorgeous really gorgeous stunning fun fact uh leave I was like, I don't want to say it. I don't know if she's going to tell everyone. Here we go. So the ring... it's perfect because because i picked it and out on his like desktop his work you know computer um he works from home i didn't stalk him at work um and i was just like oh i'm just gonna do some work from home like right looked up this ring left it on his desktop and was like oh just and i put my ring size and everything but then he like obviously like deleted the tabs and stuff like that but he went through his history cute and found it and that's but it because it was like resubmitted it didn't have the ring size so that's why i had to ask so So the ring is gorgeous because I picked it. Yes, absolutely. The way to get what you want is to ask for it. Yeah, exactly. It was really lovely. And then the really nice thing was that because we went away on holiday with this family, we walked back to the car park. I think I walked, I don't know, I might have floated like a fucking balloon. He had to hold my ankle, you know. But I was like, oh my God, let's get some Prosecco. And he was like, no, it's okay. My mum and dad already got some. And like, we came back and everyone was like waiting and everyone was like, you know, and it was lovely. Can you imagine if I said no, like walking into that? That would have been awkward. That would have been awkward. Anything, he was a bit too cocky. Maybe he needs to be more on his toes. But no, it was lovely. And we, my nephews and my little son, I say little, he's not always that to my shoulders we kind of wake them up and said oh Mark asked mummy to marry him and she said yes so do you want to come upstairs for some fizzy pop and they all had like we all had you know Prosecco and they had their little plastic cups and it was lovely and but bless him he was I genuinely think there was a moment on his face where I went do you want to come upstairs for some fizzy pop and I think he loves his sleep and he was just like absolutely not no it's alright stop making it all about you mum fuck off I'm going to sleep let me rest there was a moment where but then as soon as I said the words. I said, do you want to come upstairs? No. You can have some fizzy pop. Yes. Okay. Let's go. Go on then. You've twisted me on. Yeah. But it was lovely. But he got a little bit confused. He kept saying, what was your favourite part of the holiday, mummy? Was it when you got married? Yeah. But it was quite sweet. So he FaceTimed his dad, not to tell him the news, just because. Mum's having another crack at it, dad. You were so shit.

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I mean, it's not hard to be, really. Let's be honest. But no, he faced open because it was like Thursday by this point. I spoke to him and he wanted to tell him all about it. He'd done darts and ping pong and all this and the other. And he said, oh, yeah, so you having a good time? Yeah. Oh, that all sounds brilliant. Yeah, it's all great. Yeah, I'm having a great time, Dad. Oh, and Mum and Mark got buried. Hang on. Sorry. Two seconds. No, no, no. He did ask me to. He did give me this huge rock of a ring. That's bigger than you are. but size doesn't matter no that's a lot of things you could say no that's a whole other podcast and probably liable so let's not but yes no but lovely yeah lovely holiday and a lovely surprise lovely engagement yeah so now so now she's going to be absolutely insufferable so I don't want to like put a damper on the whole thing but I'm now the only unengaged loser on this fucking wedding podcast so that's cool no worries I'll manage it's fine I'm really happy for you but cool I thought we were in this together we got three episodes in and you got engaged and the whole premise of it was this sad like just destroyed the whole that's fine so i'm really excited at least like we get to follow it's really good we get to follow an actual journey because she's going to be on it like absolutely bang on it now what did i say that yesterday i had so many emails to do what did i do sat down and decided what song i was gonna walk down the aisle to and then was in tears imagining it honestly pacing up down the front room where out when the bridesmaids would go and then they would go yeah and then i'd walk in at this bit i was i was working until like 11 o'clock last night doing the shit that i should have been doing yeah i and also so so i as you know owned a bridal shop um and when it was closing i thought do you know what i'm just gonna order a veil of course So that it's wholesale cost. That makes sense. That's girl maths business. Oh my God, yeah. Like frugal. Your bitch is frugal. Very frugal. So I ordered just a small, simple Abbey length veil with like a blusher, two tier thing going on. It's very lovely. It's very nice. And it's very simple. So it'll go with anything. But I ordered, because that would have been like, if you get yeah it would have been like£600 for like an abbey length veil and as much as it is beautiful and the quality is amazing and it's made in the UK and it's beautiful and when you see it you'll see why it's like really beautiful but there's nothing I don't know. Maybe it's because I grew up on a council estate, but there was no way on God's green earth I could justify in my brain£600 for a bit of material, essentially. It's beautiful. It's lovely. You want it for a bargain price. And it is lovely because it's made of this Italian tool that floats. It is the Rolls-Royce. of veils because when you lift it up in the air it floats and it flutters down so slowly and it is beautiful and it is worth every penny I just couldn't afford it there's nothing wrong with the price it's just not worth every penny but just out of your normal budget yeah exactly so the plan is is I mean because of the way that our relationship works and he's got teenagers and I've got a son and you know we've both got you know kids in school and stuff like that we don't actually live together yeah no I mean we've got the important stuff sorted yeah I think it was mainly to shut me up maybe maybe but it's worked it's worked a win is a win a win is a win no it's lovely but we do need to sort out like we've already had the conversation like we cannot plan anything wedding related or get anything booked in or do anything like that until we like live together because that is just madness can you imagine getting married and then being like people do though yeah I was having a conversation with one of the mums at the school gate and she has a friend who they basically they're married but they live two doors down from each other some people do that and you know what it works really well but doesn't it I think like I get it when you're young and in love and you want to live it's exciting isn't it especially if you only live with like your parents and you're like you want to live together but I think as you get older like I love doing I love living with my partner we've got a baby together so that adds a different dynamic to that but like I get I get how it would be if you've got your own life and your own home and your own space. Intoxicating. Especially if you've lived like that for a long time. Yeah. Men aren't fun to live with. They're just not. And I imagine men feel the same about women. We are just very different. So I get the appeal. Like the sharing the bed thing as well. At the minute, I can starfish out as much as I like. And then we both find it really difficult. Although we did all right on holiday, but his bed I find really uncomfortable. My one, he doesn't really get that much sleep. We're kind of used to our own space. I think the Scandinavians have got it right, where you have like... like a double bed, but two separate single duvets. Yes. So no one's pulling the duvet. Yeah. Genius. It's a genius. And I, I'm sorry, but I think there is a lot to be said for having separate bedrooms. Oh, I do. Oh my God. Can you imagine? Oh, just like get a good night's sleep. The thing is like, if you spend the evening together, and this is what I say, cause we, my, I've got a 15 month old baby and he, I bed share, I've all bed shared with my other two. He goes into his room and sleeps until midnight. we go to sleep. But before I go to sleep, I go and get him and bring him to our bed. Yeah. But as long as we have our evening, and it's the same, we have our evening together, me and my partner. I don't care. We're just sleeping next to each other. Do you know what I mean? We're not doing anything. We don't even really cuddle because we're hot and just uncomfortable. Hug and roll. We might fall asleep maybe having a snuggle occasionally, but then it's like, well, it's time to sleep-sleep. I'm rolling away. I'm getting comfy. I've got the pillow. Do you know what I mean? We have a little cuddle. And then we start to fall asleep. And then we go, night, babe. Hug and roll. Because we've got the baby in between us from, say, 11 o'clock midnight. Like, we're not, like, obviously not doing it, but we're sleeping anyway, so I don't see the problem. Separate rooms. I understand, like, yeah, if you're in separate rooms, and I know lots of people that, especially when they've got young children. My friend that just had a king-size bed with her baby and her partner was in the spare room, the double room, and they all slept beautifully. Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Because it's horrible when you're tired and everything. Yeah, to get the most sleep that you can. Anyway. But, yeah. So, yeah, house first. House first. So, we are... Currently saving for a deposit for a house. So we, yeah, how I'm going to afford this dream wedding, I have no clue. Well, that brings us nicely to the episode, doesn't it? So the topic today is sort of how to have a wedding around the 10k mark. Because that is a chunk of change. It's a chunk of change. I mean, when I got married in 2015, I had quite a big wedding with my ex-husband. We had quite a big wedding, but we budgeted a lot hard and we did a lot of DIY food and everything. We spent around$14,000 and that was about the medium at the time. So nearly, well, 10 years ago now. Well, they say the average wedding costs about$26,000 now. and like when you've got priorities of children and you know buying things yeah and like bills you know kind of like having the electric on at my place absolutely yeah love a candle lit vibe but not what we're going for 24 7 um so you know there's there's different priorities and you know there's things like the cost of living crisis which just does not seem to be going away anytime soon and you know the cost of everything is going up but the wages and everything is staying exactly the same it is tough out there yeah but you want a beautiful wedding but there's yeah it's just it's just it can feel massively overwhelming when you start getting quotes back and you're like and also the thing is like pinterest was great for inspiration and is crack to brides obviously a lot of these photos and everything they don't have the no they do not price on so you're like oh you know we'll have like flowers in a chandelier and stuff like that and then you're like oh well that's£15,000 worth of flowers you know and you're like oh and then everything just kind of feels a bit flat so we have come up with some ways to to sort of help you or just some ideas or even if it's just like you're sat there listening to it and you're thinking oh I'm not on my own because we think like, you know, 10k is more than enough. We're going to struggle to save up for it. as it is you know 10k is a chunk of change so let's normalize normalize a 10k wedding 10k wedding like you know so some of the ideas with the um i've had you might have they might seem really obvious but uh or you might not have heard of them so what i will do i will start with that one now jordan had not heard i had not i don't know how expression or this concept um but so let us know in the comments if you have heard of this but a twilight wedding now i am so i got andrew will explain this to you as she did to me like a toddler um but i had not heard of it and as soon as she explained it to me i was like yes like that is what i will be doing i mean i have to ask my boyfriend first get engaged but that is the sort of thing that i would like to do and if it saves money which it will absolutely ideal because to me it cuts out the bits of the wedding that i don't want to do anyway so a twilight wedding is basically you get married uh 4 or 5pm in the afternoon the very latest and then you can sort of whether you get married in church or whether you get married at the venue and then you sort of have your speeches and your canapes and your speeches and then basically you just go straight into the evening reception part of it so you cut out a three course meal you cut out having to you know maybe have canapes if you don't want them or not and you cut out you know right okay so there's going to be that lull in between so we need to get and entertainment so we need a magician and we need a caricaturist and we need this that and the other like you cut it all straight out but they also the other great thing about a twilight wedding is and I had not realised this until Jordan had said this but is that there's no rush in the morning there's no getting up at you know half five yeah half five six o'clock in the morning because you've got four bridesmaids that you need to fit in and you're getting married at like you know twelve or you know whenever so you can have the most like beautiful morning with your girls getting ready no one's got to get up at the crack of dawn you can all sleep in your own houses I saw right I'm going to pause it just while I find this TikTok lady. Yes. So her name is Morgan.Bold and if you are looking for a twilight wedding, highly recommend you go and search this girl up on TikTok. Her wedding was... stunning like stunning like i'm talking immaculate vibes um it was just beautiful and she got ready at her house in the morning and i thought that was so lovely and like it's almost like we're conditioned now we see so much on tiktok and social media and you know all of that that you need to be at the hotel the night before and get ready with the matching pajamas and all this that and the other and it actually like took me back a little bit to like you know like pre-covid times and and whatnot but like getting ready at home like we were were having this conversation before where like you you went to the hairdressers and you went to you know I missed out on that on like the morning at home and then you sort of you know nipped in and out I loved it I thought it was just I saw that TikTok and I was just like that has 100% convinced me I want to get ready at home I agree and I'd like I obviously I'm a part part of the problem part of the problem but like but as a makeup artist obviously I've been to lots of people's houses and I've been to lots of hotel rooms now the only sort of exception is when you book a venue that comes with a bridal prep room yeah now bridal prep rooms are big big open spaces they've got the mirrors they've got the tables they are created for these spaces but other than that there really is no benefit to having a hotel room over being at home yeah And she did it so nicely. And one of the bright spots... And your home, you can make your... It's your home. You can make it beautiful. You've got space. People have got different rooms to go to. You can escape if you need to. You're in your own zone, environment. You know where all the exits are. But it was lovely. She said, you know, she was just like, we've you know it was a little bit of a squeeze but it was it was fine hotel rooms are a squeeze though yeah and then she had like these beautiful like you know uh platter of you know breakfast stuff with like the waffles and the croissants and all this and the other a friend that arrived um you know slept at her house it was just down the road she she came and she arrived with um all the starbucks order for all the girls and i thought oh that sounds lovely because i've got a friend that would probably struggle being away from her children and it has to be with her children which you know it's absolutely fine so that That's fine, babe. You stay with the kids the night before. And then come round. And then just come round with Starbucks in the morning. That can be your job. And we will be so excited to see you. But it was lovely. And this girl, Morgan, so she had a twilight wedding. And yeah, like I say, she got ready at home with her girls. She didn't have to rush in the morning. She could, you know, it was just, it was so much fun. And then she got a party bus. from her house to the venue and like oh my god like you know when you see people on the internet and you're like I could 100% be friends with you instantly because they were on the bus they were on the party bus drinking like the tequila rose and stuff and I was like yeah and also you can have a proper drink can't you if it's a bit later it's always a bit don't get me wrong people have a drink in the morning everyone you'll feel a bit iffy you're like oh I don't know how much to drink I don't want to be I don't want to have two glasses of Prosecco because then I've got to sit down and have a meal and do that. If you're cutting out that middle part and you know you're going to party in like two hours, crack on. I highly recommend you go and look at her TikToks because it was just like me and Jordan were sending them back and forth and going, yeah, this is the vibe that we want. And it was beautiful. It was absolutely lovely. And she does do a costing of what she went through. And also, let's normalise saving up for your wedding. Yeah, for sure. Not everyone's got got a massive credit card with loads of you know space on it not everyone has got which parents mine especially not um and so she she went through and she went no we we saved each month we put x amount into a pot and then that was what we knew what we had for the wedding and we wanted to do it properly and we were like you know 15k is a is a hell of a chunk of change and that is you know a good amount and but it's not a massive amount that is like ridiculous you're going into ridiculous amounts of debt and she was like we we waited two years because we didn't want to compromise and we wanted it to look exactly how we wanted it and and they had an absolutely lovely time honestly i cannot god i sound like i'm stalking her don't i she's it's all right she's in liverpool and we're in hampshire so we're like miles away yeah she's safe but no she just had it like it was one of those things that you watch it you're oh you know what you can just do what you want to do for your wedding and you don't have to follow any rules yeah or feel or feel that you're less than yeah if you don't you know so yeah so twilight wedding would 100% be the way that we would we would go yeah and then also another way that you can save yourself some money and it comes to the guest list yeah be brutal people now one of the good things and there wasn't that many good things that came out of covid but one of the good things is that it changed people's perception or ideas of a wedding on its head it turned the wedding industry on its head and whereas before it felt like you had like had to have 120 people if you can get married with like less than 30 people and take the stress away then you know people like so intimate weddings are now the thing people like maybe 50, 60 people is enough people to bring the vibes. That's all you need. You know, you don't need them. If it's the right people as well. That's the thing. It's like you can have 100 and 120 people quite easily. I've got a big family. It's easily done. Yeah. But like how many of those people are going to be like that much fun? It's funny. Just invite the really fun people that you love and you know they want to make your wedding amazing. So they're not going to be at the side having a coffee at in 8pm. They're going to be on the dance floor making sure everyone's having a good time. 50, 60 quality people, quality humans that you actually really want to spend that day with. Ideal. So my top tips are have you seen them in the last year or spoken to them? If it is a no, they're out. Did they send you a congratulations when you got engaged or mention it or talk to you if they said no? No. Would you take them out to dinner happily and like pay for them? Because essentially that is what you're doing. Yeah. If you have a sit down meal. And if you're like, they're out. And if they're a work colleague, have you seen them outside of work? If you haven't seen them outside of work, and that doesn't count like lunch times when you go and grab a McDonald's or whatever. Do you make an effort to do things outside of workplace? Yeah. No. And when it comes to family, now I've got, My mum is one of six, so I've got, I think there's like 40 of us. You know, by the time you put cousins and everything into your mix. So on the one hand... I can appreciate that it is nice to have these opportunities to catch up. To get everyone together. Because now both grandparents are no longer with us. You know, we always used to bump into each other at Nan or Grandad's house because, you know, it was a bit like Piccadilly Circus. You know, people would be in and out and whatever and you'd catch up that way. So it is really nice to have everyone all together in the one room because it doesn't happen that often. However, your family, your wedding, sorry, your wedding isn't a family reunion. So... you know you are under no obligation to invite that cousin that you don't speak to and I think that's the key that word that you just said there obligation if there's a cousin that you don't spend enough time with but that you really do enjoy their company then of course but don't feel obligated to invite people just because they are your cousin on your mum's side and you haven't do you know what I mean if you want them there different story but if you're not you're umming and ahhing maybe just don't and if you are trying to be conscious with your budget I mean no one's going to be mad no one's people will be mad people That's a lie, Andrea. People will have opinions. But they'll get over it. But at the end of the day, if you're turning around and saying, look, we are having, we're being conscious with our budget because we're saving up for a deposit for a house. No one's going to be like, well, that's just selfish. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, be brutal. But also, as well as sort of your guest list is a good way to cut the numbers, cut your costs down massively. Also, bridal party. Now, it's really tempting. Yeah. this weekend like when telling people the news and I was so tempted to be like and I really want you to be my bridesmaid but if you keep your if you then offer the role of bridesmaid to you know your 20 cousins or whatever you know and then you end up having an intimate wedding you then have to have an awkward conversation of people going oh I thought I was oh am I not a bridesmaid do you know what I mean awkward so keep your bridal party I would say to the minimum because The more bridesmaids you have, the more you've got more dresses, more makeup, more flowers. More hair, more flowers, more jewellery. More gifts, you know, like that. And yes, you don't have to do the gifts. You don't have to do all of those things. Sorry, Jordan, but yes, you can get them to do their own makeup if they want to. No, but you can. Like, realistically, you can. It's not going to look as good as if I did it. Obviously. Award winning ladies and gents. No, but realistically, that is a good way to save on cost. Or ask them if they want to book in with the makeup artist themselves. If they're bothered, then they can absolutely do that. But yeah, bridal part, you add and add and add. But if you've got like, I mean, I've done some big weddings this weekend, like nine people, eight people. The cost is there. Like, it racks up. And it's... And also, it's worth mentioning that if you have ten bridesmaids, you're more than likely... One or two of them are going to be dicks. Yeah. And there's going to be drama. When there's big bridal parties, there is always drama. Yeah. And there's always changes. So I would... Obviously, you have to... Don't do... Choose your bridesmaids two or three years in advance. Yeah. Because more often than not, one of them gets dropped, there's drama at the hen do, there's something. Yeah. Just have your... you know who your besties are you can always add if you want to down the line but don't go all guns blazing like I want you you you you my work my work bestie like Oprah you get a car you're a bridesmaid you're a bridesmaid just be cautious because like you said it's costly it does cost a lot of money and like as much as you don't want people to feel left out or whatever but you know people will understand and one of the best expressions I ever heard when it comes to wedding planning is make sure I get this right so the best expression I ever heard for wedding planning is the people that care don't matter and the people that matter don't care Did I say that the right way around? The people that care. No, you did say that the right way around. So the people that care about the little things don't matter and the people that matter don't care. Anyone that loves you wants you to have the day that you want and they're not going to be finickety about little details or being involved in this and being involved in that. Because on our TikTok we ask what's the most unhinged thing? Oh my god, that was a great TikTok. Yeah, so people are unhinged and we That expression of you find out who your friends are when you plan a wedding. So this is some of the comments that we found. Why are you getting married on a Monday? What if I want to book a day off work? It's an event holiday Monday. My personal favourite was, what do you expect people to wear if they can't wear white? That was from the mother-in-law. I can't believe how selfish you're being about your wedding. Yeah. And that was from my mother. I didn't invite my brother's stepkids. His bio kids weren't invited either as it was a child-free wedding. Yeah. Oh, this was it. We're having an intimate wedding and the best man has a new girlfriend who's a stranger to us. She told him he is not allowed to be best man if she is not invited to the ceremony. Weird. Red flag. Oh, this one. Yeah. It's not going to be a very good wedding on that little of budget from mother of the bride. How about chuck a few thousand in then, mum? She's awful, isn't it? I think it, but don't say it. Oh my God, people are... I have a list of people you need to invite. Okay, coaching. Give us the cash then. See, this one was a tricky one because I could see it from both points. If I don't get an all-day invite, I'm not coming on the hen or stag. that's tricky because because hen and stag do cost money yeah So I feel like if I'm not, and it's fine if I'm not, if I'm not invited, if I'm not enough of a friend to make it to the whole day, am I enough of a friend to have to pay to celebrate your stag? Do you just want numbers? Do you know what I mean? And you feel like you're the peripheral fringe friend. I feel like it's a weird dynamic to be invited on a hen do but not as a main day guest. I don't know. I suppose it depends what it is. If it's just like a night out and a load of you are meeting up and going to do like some like a cocktail making thing and this and that the other fine but I definitely wouldn't be paying to go away for a hen do with someone if I wasn't invited to the day but just because it doesn't to me that doesn't make sense like I'm either in that close-knit circle where you want me on the hen do and I go to the day or I'm not and that's fine yeah yeah it's a bit of an odd one I don't know I can see it from the the other side I don't know, because I would... There's some friends that would suit going to the home night. I suppose, yeah. You know, if they're work colleagues, but you wouldn't necessarily see them outside. But, you know, there's nothing wrong... I suppose the crossover's a bit different, isn't it? Yeah, it's a tricky one. Yeah. Oh, this is one. It's all about the children, not the adults. Now, speaking as a mum... I would love a child-free wedding. Like, not for myself, but just love a child-free wedding. I do not understand the people that are like, I can't believe you're being so rude by not inviting me. Have a night off, love. I know, but it's the same mums that just cannot enjoy themselves without their kids. And I don't want to be mean. Some of you are just like mother nature mothers. You know what I mean? Great. Love your kids. Can't be away from them. That's fine. Don't be away from them. But there's these people that really have that theme of kids make weddings I'm like sorry kids ruin weddings yeah like I'd have my kids at my wedding because they're a bit older and or maybe have them at the ceremony and then get them someone pick them up in the evening but also as a parent your kid is not enjoying a wedding no maybe to a degree while they're all hopped up on sugar skidding around the dance floor but it gets to a certain point where you see these kids I've seen it before and it makes me feel Not uncomfortable because I was like a pub kid. I was asleep on chairs in a bar. Didn't do us any harm. But that kid is not there for their enjoyment. Their parents are pissed. Dad's got a tie around his head on the dance floor. Like Rambo. Dancing to the full monty. Mum's had a few too many gins propping up a bar chatting shit with someone. And there's a kid on four pushed together chairs just desperate to go home. And it's like, why is it not better for everyone that you organise a sitter if you've got two years in advance? That to me, it just doesn't make sense. I don't know why you want that kid there when you one don't want to look after it and two they're not happy either it's not a place for children a wedding reception to me personally child free weddings we could do a whole episode it's a red flag for me as a person if you don't like the fact that your child's not invited to the wedding I'm like you're weird sorry controversial where do I stand on child free weddings I get them and I understand why you want a child-free wedding. The thing that I don't get is the parents that get really arsey when their child isn't invited. That's the thing. I can't get my head around. I think, no, have a night out. But I think going deeper into that, it is very much like some people's whole personality and whole identity is connected to the fact that they are a parent. Yeah. And... Ultimately, I find that very sad. But anyway. Anyway, that's children, mother of the year. Mother of three. Right, let's get back on topic. Yes, let's get back on topic. How to have a wedding under 10k. Yeah, fuck the kids off. Don't invite the kids. Goodbye, children. That'll save you a few grand. So, dresses. Wedding dress. so if your budget is about 500 quid uh go to i would say go to an independent shop they have got samples that they want to get rid of they have got sale rails um and just sort of keep your eye out for any bridal shops once a year maybe twice a year bridal shops will have a big clear out of their samples because they need to get stock in because the designers um say right you will have minimum orders with designers of like the stock not minimum orders for how many brides buy a dress from you, but minimum numbers. for how many sample dresses you order from their new collections and things like that. Some of them don't. Some of them do. It's kind of on its way out. So you will see that a lot of bridal shops will have sample sales because they need to get... Two reasons. One, they need room for the new dresses that are coming. And two, they need to pay for the new dresses that are coming. So they're desperate to get rid of the old stock so that they can pay for their order that's coming in. Or maybe that was just me. So yeah, if your budget is about£500, honestly, go to an independent bridal shop you will be genuinely surprised and relieved that for£500 you can still get a really beautiful dress and a stylish dress and a nice dress if your budget is lower than£500 Say, if you're in the£200 region and below, again, nothing wrong with that. No. Have a look on... There's pre-loved websites called Still White. They've got just basically like brides that are selling their dresses on, which is lovely. So many brides love that. I love... a pre-love dress because you know you've got like the history of it and the and just i think it's lovely and i do think anything that stops fast fashion yes it's only going to be a good thing yeah it's only going to be a good thing and it is a lovely thing when you like i said at my bridal shop we did pre-loved and there were dresses that just didn't look right on people but then there were dresses that i had one dress lovely oh my god this lovely girl it was like a gold sassy holford which is like sassy holford is a designer that has done wedding dresses for the royal family yeah um which i think she did like princess anne's son got married to autumn phillips um and that's she did her dress like so she is like a top london designer and i had a secondhand one and this bride came in and it where it was a gold dress a lot of people went oh i don't like the color so it was literally i can count on one hand the amount of times people actually i tell you two people tried it on in the whole two years it was there it was in the corner a bit unloved this bride came in and tried it on and it was one of those appointments where she was like look i'm just gonna hold my hands up this is not i'm just i need to just this is sort of a fact-finding mission i was like no that's fine i appreciate your honesty there were tears oh really from everyone this dress no word of a lie just fit did not need one smidgen of alterations stunning fit perfectly the gold colour looked incredible on her just it ticked so many boxes and because I was closing down she was like yeah no take my money I'm buying it today I am not risking losing this dress so sometimes like pre-loved honestly you will be surprised that you can get some absolute gems so I would do that Okay, so next thing, flowers. Yeah. I see so many. Now, for me personally, faux flowers, artificial flowers, they have to be really good. I've seen some really good ones. I've seen some really good ones. Yeah. at a wedding this weekend actually she brought in the flowers the florist so it was a florist still did them but with fake flowers which I didn't know happened all that often but she brought them in and I thought they were real and I even said to the bride I was like oh make sure you take them out of the water like now so they don't drip down and she's like oh no no no they're fake I was like oh my god okay they were amazing but obviously you pay for the professional to still style them and do that which does make a difference I would say this with fake flowers I know it's really tempting and you see them on Sheen and you see them on like, I'm going to get like, it can be a bit of a false economy. I've seen someone on a Facebook group locally that was like, I have bought all these fake flowers and however I arrange them, they still look shit. Is there like a fake flower florist here that can like help me out even if it like assemble them or do something with them and equally I just think as well it can sometimes be a false economy you think oh I've got a hundred roses that'll do a whole arch and it won't and it just looks sparse and rubbish and so it could be a false economy because you think right instead of like the hundred you know roses that I've budgeted for I actually need to get near a 500 to get the effect and then it's just a false economy and you may as well just pay a florist to you know like either have fresh ones or an artificial florist as well um so yeah just be just be mindful of that of like make sure too good to be true yeah um but i would say if you're thinking of the faux flowers have a look for you know decor and things like that facebook marketplace is going to be your best friend and like the vinted there's wedding groups that are for people selling things on vinted that have done you know this the same and like done all the hard work for you and you done it all and now they want rid of it and now they want rid of it because it's going to be taking up so much space in your house yeah if you're of the mindset I think you've got to be have a little bit of a like a looser theme yeah so if you're not really like I want this shade of pink this particular this absolute perfect shade of this if you're sort of like well I like some different greens and some different blues or you're a little bit more free flowing with that or a bit more classic or a bit more classic maybe whites and greens yeah if you're on that side of the spectrum then you can't a few months six months before start trawling through these websites start picking up things do you know what I mean and people do sell them in bulk ready-made wedding kits effectively with centerpieces, with flowers, with all the little bits that they've just bought that do cost a lot of money. When you got the candles for that photo shoot. Oh, for the photo shoot, yeah. And it's like, oh, we need some candles for the photo shoot. That'll be all right. The amount of candles that we needed, the expense of that alone. We had a hundred candles and we were like doing a photo shoot in this little chapel. If I make a little TikTok, I'll pop up the, I'll put it on the back screen now. It was stunning. It was beautiful. So we had a hundred candles and I was like, that'll be more than enough. But actually in the venue, I was like, we probably should have had about 300 to get the vision of what we wanted. Also, the other thing, you get the candles. You need the batteries. You need the flipping batteries. And then you've got to put all the batteries in and then you've got to check all your work. Yeah, it was, you know. Things like that. If someone else has done the task for you and you can go on Facebook Marketplace and spend£200 on this big bundle of stuff and you're a bit more free-flowing with your theme and you can fit it in, brilliant. That's going to save you a shit tonne of money yeah yeah and um yeah honestly I've still got those candles yeah admittedly because I haven't put anyone needs a hundred candles for their wedding Andrew has got it covered I've got some on my they're now on my log burner yeah and they look really lovely and I put them on the timer um to you know so they if I fall asleep on the sofa which does happen quite often yeah um that you know they they will go off but I didn't realize that they actually come back on and so the first time I did that I sort of was looking at my son going What have you touched? Why are they coming back like that? And he stood there, bless him, going, I didn't do it, mummy, I didn't do it. And I was like, don't you lie to me. And then he was at his dad's the next day. It happened again. And then they all popped up and I was like, oh, bless him. Mother of the year. So yeah, so decor wise, just have a look on Facebook and Marketplace. I know it's hardly like groundbreaking stuff, but there might be, you'll be surprised. I didn't know that there was Facebook groups for people selling things on Vinted. I know there's a Facebook group for everything now. But yeah, so so also the other thing that we thought photography yeah don't skimp no on photography don't don't skimp on the photographer yeah you can say i think we've briefed we've touched on this before but if you like budget for as much as you can for a photographer but if you are on a tighter budget get the good photographer for the key moments and maybe a I've worked with some really good content creators we have, haven't we, on photo shoots and stuff. If, say, you have a content creator in the morning and then have a photographer come to do all your portraits and your family shots and then maybe the ceremony and those things, things that you're likely to get printed out, put on the wall, then get the photographer for those elements only and maybe have someone else to come and do the other bits. Yeah, it is... so just worth having the photographer like you say for a nice photo at your ceremony like three or four hours of a really good photographer yeah it's going to be better than having a full day package for someone that is inexperienced yeah like it just just not or not even that they're inexperienced but not your vibe yeah don't settle like if you're looking at pictures i would say inexperienced i saw this tiktok where this oh i see yeah it happens all the time but what i don't want to do i don't want to slag off the budget photographers but no no but but I think any photographer worth their soul. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's some photographers that do, you know, the packages start at like, you know,£3,000 and that's for a full day and they won't do anything less and that's fine because they've got the experience to back it up. And the post-production stuff is incredible, like the actual talent and art of photography. So long, yeah. It's not even the day itself is the least amount of work, really. But if someone is going, oh, I'll do a whole day of photography. Like£350.£200. That is a red flag. And if£200 is your budget, again, nothing wrong with that, but then just get a photographer that would do just... An hour. Yeah, an hour. Literally an hour. or something so you get beautiful photographs because this lady I saw on TikTok her mum was bless her they were on a budget and she thought she got a really good deal and honestly I'll see if I can find the TikTok and show it to you it had they had put filters on everything including you know when you're at the arcade and there's like the photo booth and it will do the sketch and it just looked horrendous and they had them doing like really weird poses like all sticking their tongues out and all and it was just like it's that thing you do get what you pay for so if you are on a budget just do it wisely but you've raised a really really good point that if you Have a photographer just for the important moments. and then get a content creator for the rest for the rest of it that way you get some videos if it's just your bits and bobs like you're getting ready and you just it's just stuff that you're maybe going to post on social media or stuff that you're just going to watch yourself yeah and you're not bothered about it being like this cinematic edited quality yeah like it's just for the memories yeah that's fine that's fine don't get me wrong I'm not saying a content creator does not replace a photographer in skill and talent no 100% but they are a really good alternative I do also rate having a content creator as well as a photographer but that's a different that's for a different time but yeah they're not comparable they do complement each other nicely like when we did our photo shoot um The editing that went into the photographs afterwards took a long, long time. And this is no shade to Natasha. Because it is literally difficult. Our photographer was incredible. And the photos we got back. What she produced was insane. Like, honestly, they look like they've just come out of vogue. But if you're like us and you've got no patience, having a content creator is really nice because you get that immediate gratification. Like the next day we had the lot we've got ADHD we want instant dopamine absolutely and no but it's really nice to have that so it actually does work out quite nicely because they just send you basically their raws I think most content creators do make a couple of reels and do some stuff but immediately you get all the raw images that they've taken so you can have a look through all of it and it's really nice to do yeah Yeah. And then the other thing, I need to stop saying and the other thing. And another one. And another thing. And another thing. No, this is not our area of expertise because we genuinely don't give a shit. Suits. No. For the men. Yeah. Just go to River Island or ASOS. Order something.

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No, but right. So when I got married, we were like, we looked at hiring. Automatically, we assumed hiring would be cheaper than buying. Yeah. Not the case. And also we, I think I got my ushers to buy their own suits because I was young and poor. But it was fine because they went to River Island, got waistcoat, jacket, trousers, I think for£99 in grey. Yeah. And I think they all still wear that wedding suit to this day. Yeah. The ones that fit into it still. But the thing is, if you are... your groomsman can if it's not like a tartan tweed yeah or linen wool linen like something crazy if it's something that they can repurpose and wear all the time probably going to be a bit blacks greys navy standard suit sort of thing yeah and you can get probably 99 pound they were but probably around the 120 mark I've seen them on ASOS you can get a suit for that price and actually hiring I don't think hiring is an awful lot cheaper than that no I think they start around sort of 80 don't they Do you know what? I can honestly say it's the one part of wedding planning that I've not gone down the rabbit hole on. Couldn't give a... So 10 years ago, it didn't work out that cheap. So I thought, well, for an extra 30, 40 quid, they might as well have a suit that they can keep. I know, speaking from experience, when my ex-husband's best mate was getting married... My ex-husband, to be fair to him, is a very stylish man. Bit of a dick, but very stylish. But his mate was not. And he was quite happy. Honestly, what he got, he looked like shit. All he knew was that he liked Manchester United. So he got a red, foily, metallic-y shirt. waistcoat a red bow tie oh god I can see it white shirt a black suit it's giving crumb in the 90s it's giving croupier at a casino at a shit casino and it's shit casino and my ex-husband was just like I'm sorry mate but I don't think I can't wear that but Which, you know, looking back, you think, well, you can't have been that much of a mate then. You would wear a bin bag. But anyway, but that's another story for another day. Anyway, suits. Go to Top Man. The Top Man's not even a thing. Go to England. Go to ASOS. Go to C&A. Oh, I don't even know what that is. Oh, don't you? Oh, I'm so old. Oh, C&A was this shop that me and my mum used to have battles in. What can I compare it to? Debenhams? no it wasn't even as cool as Debenhams okay so it went Topshop yeah Debenhams yeah and then C&A was like the place the sensible place that your mum would take you to for what though for clothes it was clothes yeah and it would have um like there was like the downstairs bit that was like okay no that was horrible and then god I feel like in a cold sweat already honestly the amount of battles we had in there And then there was one small bit that was like teenagers that I wanted. But my mum's like, no, we're going to get you. Anyway, CNA. Back me up. Right. Code word for today. Drop in the messages if you stay, if you watch to this end. CNA. And if you know this, who CNA is. But yeah, high street suits. There are plenty of places that you can go. And I think if my ex-husband had said, if his mate had said, look, you can buy your own suit and you get your own choice in it. bang on then he would have been like yeah sure no worries and I think most people they can reuse something and repurpose it they're more inclined to spend a bit of money on it then you don't like being a bridesmaid if you've got again if you've got lots of bridesmaids or if you if you haven't or no if you've got lots of bridesmaids or if you if you say to your bridesmaids that this is the colour pick a dress mix mix and match them whatever I don't mind but if you pick a colour um No, if you as the bride... God, this is so concise, isn't it? Right. So in theory, right, say your colour scheme is black. Yes. You can say to your bridesmaids, right, go... Get a black dress. If you can pay for your own dress, that would really, really help me out. Yeah. And it's in black. most people have got a black dress in their wardrobe that they can wear or you can look or they're willing to buy another black dress because they're going to wear it again exactly yeah and I think most people would prefer being in control and having a choice and are happy to pay for the privilege of having a choice because I've been a bridesmaid a few times where I would have paid to wear something else I would have paid anything honestly I'm looking at you my sister Charlie if you are listening to this because she took my dad to Debenhams we went and had a look and we looked at all the dresses this is when the high street was still a thing yeah and we had a lovely day trying on these dresses and there was this one particular dress that I really really hated more than anything and showing at the time now it was Cadbury's purple colour oh yeah was it shiny shiny oh and and she came back because she's a people pleaser and she desperately wants my dad's approval I really hope she's not listening to this and this podcast better not do too well really because like if your ex-husband listens to this as well yeah Whoops. And she came in, she went, oh, I've got the dresses. I've got the bridesmaids dresses. I went, oh, brilliant. I said, I don't mind which one. As long as you didn't go for those purples, did you? Oh, that horrible purple thing. And then there was this awkward silence. And I was like, you didn't go for the purple ones, did you? Not the purple. didn't do that okay and you took dad the man that shops at Costco for his fashion advice it's alright because obviously dad's fucking wearing them isn't he do you know what I mean but it's fine I hated it I hated it but I wore it because I love my sister dearly and I if she had wanted a bin bag but if she'd offered you the choice of right this purple dress or you go buy your own dress in the similar colour I would have been on the bus straight to town ASAP yeah I would have saved up all my of money no I wasn't that young but you know it's I think if you which I know it sounds like brutal and a bit I'm trying to think of another word than shit but like manipulative or something like well you can you know another way to save you know get them to pay for it But I think most people would be happy to do that. Especially if you pay for other things as well. It's like, okay, well, actually, if you guys buy the dresses, I'm happy to pay for your hair and your makeup or shoes or whatever. It's just finding that balance. And again, this goes back to what we were saying before about picking your bridal party. If it's your best mate, not one of my best friends would be like, oh, gross, she's trying to make me pay for the wedding. They'd be like, okay, cool, yeah, that's fine. Do you know what I mean? Or if they can't afford to do that, then that's also a thing. You have a conversation. You should be able to converse with these people yeah and talk about okay what are you happy to contribute towards if anything yeah and if not that's fine yeah I know I think and yeah being like I'm 42 and I'm old enough to remember CNAs yeah I don't want to be in a shit dress. No. I want to be in something that I'm going to look nice. You get to a certain age, as an adult, especially as a grown-up, you know what things suit your body, you know what flatters you, you know what doesn't. And it's like, nothing looks worse in your wedding pictures than an uncomfortable bridesmaid. And it doesn't matter how big she is, how tan she is, how... pretty she is what her hair's like if she's uncomfortable you can see it in the eyes and that's literally all it is if you've got a bridal party and all of them are in something that they feel fucking amazing in they're gonna look great and it's gonna radiate and everyone's gonna look happy that one uncomfortable bridesmaid that's been forced to wear something that they don't like and wasn't made for them is going to ruin your photos and not because she's done anything wrong but because you've been so stringent Yeah, I wouldn't say ruin the photos. Not ruin it, but you're going to spot it. Yeah, 100%. And actually, then they're not going to like those photos. Do you know what I mean? Personally, I would prioritise their comfort over sticking to some regimented thing. It's really hard to get a dress, one style of dress, that suits different body types. I like those wraparound ones. Yeah, the ones that you can change, the multi-way ones. Brilliant idea. I had a bride... whose name I've totally forgotten but it begins with J and I could picture her straight away I could tell you what dress she had she had Jennifer anyway she had a different dress Josie that was it Josie and she had an absolute still like an absolute result her bridesmaids dresses she got off Vinted or Face Bay or whatever another bride was selling on the dresses and they were five different bridesmaids dresses that were all the right size for her bridesmaids in her colour scheme£20 each yeah£100 for your bridesmaids dresses. I would actually be inclined to plan my whole wedding around a find like that. Do you know what I mean? I've actually seen these dresses in all the right sizes, so I'm going to have that colour scheme because I've saved all my money. Our colour scheme is now canary yellow. Yes, because I found this bundle of bridesmaid dresses online. But yeah, there's ways and means of making sure that your wedding is within budget. And I think let's normalise. Yes. normalize not having every single thing that you've seen someone else have yeah and we've said it before about prioritizing based on your needs and like make hair and makeup and stuff like andrea joked about earlier like you don't have to get your makeup done but you don't have to get your makeup done if you're not asked about makeup yeah don't bother i think you're not bothered about it there are ways to save money with makeup absolutely yeah i always say like You don't need to have a trial if you're very certain about what you want. That saves a lot of money. If you're taking up less of my time, I'm going to charge you less money. And that's literally it. We can go through your Instagram and be like, I love that, love that, love that, love that. And if you're confident with... I do do it without doing a trial often. I mean, it is the norm. I think it just relaxes people's anxiety sometimes. Especially if you're not a makeup wearer, a trial becomes more crucial. If you are someone that goes and gets your makeup done often or you're one of my regular clients yeah then why do you need a trial yeah you probably don't need a trial I think as long as the three things that guests remember from a wedding is like the food and like were they well fed how they yeah well fed comfort did the bride look nice yeah and like did they have fun yeah like so other than that like don't sweat the small stuff no one's gonna remember what your centerpieces were no one's gonna no one's gonna care like what wedding little wedding favor oh yeah say what my wedding favors out because they are a waste of money they get left behind more often than not yeah thrown in a bag and it's one of those things that everyone stresses about last minute and you really don't need to know unless it cannot be it's an alcohol unless you can eat it or drink it don't worry about it yeah 100 percent as lovely as much as your friends and family love you nobody wants a shot glass with your name on it the amount of times you see them in the charity shop with yeah I know so I did get I got everyone at mine a one pound scratch card and they scratched it off and everyone was shouting out what they won yeah and at the end they gave it all to us anyway which is really nice yeah but it was really cute because one person was like oh I'm just gonna give this to you guys and every you see everyone else is like I guess we have to give it oh But no, it cost us a pound per person and it was just like 10 minutes of fun where everyone was scratching off their little scratchy cards. I saw a TikTok about this. Brian did this. She got some really lovely little envelopes, little personal stickers. You are only allowed to buy 10 scratch cards at a time. We had a troop of people buying them. What would you do though if you were a guest and as a guest they won like 100,000? oh my god i would totally just keep quiet i'd be like oh my god yeah like absolutely i don't think anyone wanted anything substantial otherwise because i don't think the couple deserve it just because i'm so skint yeah yeah that's so skint right sort my life out yeah that could be deposit for a house oh my god the wedding i would have i know oh no yeah i would like and then i'll be back to square one because i'll be like oh you are yeah no i just uh spunked 100k on a wedding yeah just gone i'm actually homeless you How quick she changed her mind. But no, I would totally keep that to myself. Right, I think that's an hour. An hour? Oh my God. Yeah. We can't do much, but we can chat shit for an hour about weddings, can't we? So thank you if you're still listening to the end. Thank you for listening and let's have a big congratulations to our new bride, new fiancé, Andrea. Thank you. Very happy. And we will, I guess, see you guys next week. Yeah. So thank you for tuning in, guys. We'll talk to you later. Thank you.

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