2 POGs Save the World Podcast
Two Army veterans—one left, one right—unite for the ultimate mission: tackling real-world problems with common sense, logic, and a healthy dose of military humor. 2 POGs Save the World isn’t your typical political podcast. Hosts Kj Bradley & Lance O'Neil bring unfiltered discussions, sharp debates, and tactical solutions to the chaos of modern society.
From politics and national security to sports and pop culture, no topic is off-limits. With battle-tested insights and zero tolerance for BS, these two POGs (Personnel Other than Grunts) prove that you don’t have to agree on everything to find real solutions.
Join the fight every Sunday at 8:30 PM EST, where the only thing sharper than the takes is the wit. Mission: Common Sense. Execution: Hilarious. Victory: Inevitable
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2 POGs Save the World Podcast
Parades, Protests, and Problematic Words
Tonight on 2 POGs Save the World, we bring the heat with no guest and no filter. The country is marching, shouting, and spiraling—and we are breaking it all down.
We start with the President’s grand military parade and the rising wave of No King protests pushing back against power displays. Then we turn to the deterioration of the American education system and ask who is really benefitting from its collapse. Finally, we dive headfirst into the evolution of language, tackling the weight, history, and modern context of the “N” word and how society continues to wrestle with its meaning.
Uncomfortable truths. Raw perspective. Two POGs. Let’s get into it.
Hey Gee man, what do you want to do tonight?
Speaker 2:The same thing we do every night Pinky, Try to take over the world. All right, yo, let's get into it. Try to take over the world.
Speaker 1:You're preaching freedom to the public. Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2:And the greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neill, try to take in the world. Mr Lance O'Neal, trying to take over the world. Yo yo yo, what up, what up, what up, what up, what up, what up. World man, I am glad to see y'all faces again. I am KJ Bradley, back with the best chaplain in the world. Thank you, sir, for holding it down last week.
Speaker 2:Your show was amazing. I got a chance to watch it in bunches because we were out of power, getting used to this California power surging structure. It's a little bit weird, but what up, though. Chat, looking good, man, how you doing? Happy Father's Day, first and foremost. Yeah, well, thank you, and I, I'm gonna hang up now and make you do the next hour. Listen, man, I, um, I don't know cali's weird man. They, they, they have weekly scheduled um maintenance on the electrical here, um, which is I haven't experienced that before, that well, not in america. I've experienced it, you know, in iraq or whatever. We've powered down and we've come black out before, but seeing it done here in america is weird. California is a weird place, man. It could be extremely beautiful and extremely rough, all within a couple of blocks and I just we, we're getting our sea legs about us, but it is slowly getting getting used. What's up, though, man? Busy week. Yeah, I was able to catch up.
Speaker 1:No, no, yeah, not really. I mean, I didn't not much happened this week, it's I'm trying to think of anything that happened this week.
Speaker 2:I can't put my finger, especially on the global, really um, I mean, well, I will say this.
Speaker 1:Uh, I didn't. I don't think I saw the announcement that trump is the king now I. I assume that if he was going to make that announcement, it would have been yesterday during the parade, and he'd come out and said I take the crown of America and I am now your emperor. The Jedi have attacked me and left me disfigured. Listen, I Seriously. If he had done it, how funny, how funny if he'd gotten up and said that. If he'd gotten up and said the jedi have attacked, the jedi have attacked me, they've left me disfigured listen, man, I, I was surprised.
Speaker 2:Even here in in our local community, there were no king's protests and I, I it's. It's so weird, man, it's, and that's, it's stupid, it's stupid. Crazy Right, but these protests lack flavor. They lack black people. You can tell there's no, why? Ok, there's no, why do?
Speaker 1:they lack. Why do they lack? Why, why do they lack?
Speaker 2:flavor. This is strictly all you know. I hate to put it that way, but this is America. Black people have been sitting this one out since the election, and rightfully so. I understand why no, no, these protests are.
Speaker 1:It's because this is not. Oh, did you? Okay, there you go. This is absolutely a coordinated movement. Yeah, my Wi-Fi has been weird, I don't know if I'm just in the wrong room or what, but yeah, this is. This is coordinated.
Speaker 2:This is not so so let's, let's talk about it. Written all over it this, this is ridiculously dumb.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and that's why I say it lacks. For you saying it lacks flavor, I say it lacks heart. This is an absolute. When you can have X number of people show up right after an event and they have professionally made placards and they have an organized leadership. Well, that was hard enough for me to say right, but I said I might need some help, kk. But when you have this level of coordination, it makes you go. This is not real. It's not in LA. It became this. I'd really like to know who thought no kings? I saw a pretty good meme on this. We already have a no kings day. It's called July 4th. That was you know. Trump is not trying to make himself the king. He's not in there to Trump is there. You and I have talked about this multiple times. Trump in there to trump is there. You and I have talked about this multiple times. Trump is there to break the machine. He is there to cause chaos to.
Speaker 2:Potentially, I think trump in 2017 was there to break the machine. Trump in 20 whatever year we're in, he's a he's a useful idiot.
Speaker 1:Well, I know you think that and I think that there is. To me it's the reset button. It's not an easy reset but unfortunately, to me the reset button is not enough because it's not in the right place, and I think that's where the fallout with Musk came in. That's where the fallout with Musk came in. I think Musk thought the reset needs to come from a financial reset, a true shrinking of the federal government, a real look at, a hard look at things like social security, the entitlement spending and I don't think that Trump entitlement spending, and I don't think that Trump is going along with that because he realizes that that is how you lose a midterm election as well, because the minute you start taking money away from people's pockets, they get all pissed off and people like their money. That's ultimately, I think, kind of what it is.
Speaker 1:And the tariffs, the tariffs. I don't know about the tariffs still, because you know, was it a win, was it a lose? Was it a wait? And see I think at the very least we're at a wait and see the Doge stuff. I think it could have really been a real positive, but then it got wrapped up in a lot of stuff that it wasn't. It didn't come down to cost cutting, but the idea that it's a well. I mean, if it was a cost cutting, it will be cost cutting down the road, simply because it took a look at contracts. But again, this is all I like the ideas, but it's in the wrong places. Again, if you want to really make some significant changes to the financial status of America, why are we subsidizing massively large corporations that produce oil and petroleum products? Why are we subsidizing massive agro corporations? Yes, we love food and, yes, all that stuff. But if we are subsidizing these giant, giant corporations, how many corporations run the world? What is it Like? 12 or something?
Speaker 2:They're all. They're all subsets.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're all intertwined and all that stuff, pepsico owns like 18% of the market and of different things and or or whatever they are. And to me, that's really where it comes down to is, if you're serious about this stuff, then first of all, stop subsidizing mega corporations. You don't need to. You don't need because and I get it the idea is you're not just subsidizing the corporations, you're actually subsidizing the stock market, which subsidize subsidizes the people that invest the the stock market. This subsidizes not only rich people, but middle class people who invest. But, realistically, that's where you make those cuts. That's where they need to be.
Speaker 1:As far as the government goes, yes, I think we are bloated as a government and we need to reduce the workforce by probably 10% to 20%, depending on how you do it, but that doesn't mean you automatically cut the last in. Some of those people that are last in are the ones you want in there. What you really want to get rid of are those people that are there 10 to 15 year middle management that are sitting back just saying, hey, I'm a staff sergeant, I've already been in for 10 years. This sucks. I don't really want to do my job, but you know what? I'm close enough to retirement. I can suck it up for eight to 10 more years, right, and I'm going to do the bare minimum.
Speaker 1:But instead of rewarding that specialist who is a hard charger or even a pfc, and you're going, hey, this kid, he could really. You know, he could. Actually he should be running the shop. You have a staff sergeant. Well, I have the rank, but, dude, you don't want to do anything? Yeah, but I'm the staff sergeant, I've earned this, okay. So what are you going to do to fix the problem with your shop? Well, I mean, it's not really my fault that the shop is broken.
Speaker 2:Those are the guys you want to get rid of. Yeah, so do you think? Do you think those did their job?
Speaker 1:um, I think it was a wash at best. I I think that I again, I like the idea and I think that the way they did it, unfortunately was the red tape I guess would be the way to get in the way it's like you're going through.
Speaker 2:There was no red tape. They did it. There was no red tape.
Speaker 1:No, there's always red tape in the government. Dude, there's always something who stopped them? Oh well, you have the media pushing back, you have the Democrats pushing back, you have the deep state pushing back. So it's not that Doge had unlimited power, because you still bump up against legislative and laws, right?
Speaker 2:Well, no, the legislative team was on their side. The reason people pushed back was because they were doing what they weren't supposed to do. I'll give you an example. Let me give you one example. Sure, you can't say we're coming in to cut finance right, that was their sole purpose. Right Doge is created to waste, get rid of waste right six months and not one dod audit.
Speaker 2:The dod has, as we've discussed several times, has never passed and not in 20 odd years, yeah, 25 years, something like that, yeah create a, you create an organization who's coming in to find the fraud, waste and abuse and in six months they do not even sniff the DOD. It's a red flag. But what they did is they went in and they went to the IRS. They got all the social security numbers, they got all the personal data, they infiltrated DOE, they got all the loan information, borrows information, so all of this stuff where for me, it's another one of those. Hey, this is what we're going to do, but the minute you approve it, they go do something completely different, right, and then you sit back and look oh well, we tried.
Speaker 2:No, you really did not. If you look at it like, if you look at it objectively, what did those accomplish outside of stealing data, which is what I said they were going to do six months ago? They accomplished nothing. The savings that they, the savings that they found or eliminated, were minuscule. We did nothing, but we I don't disagree.
Speaker 1:Nothing, I don't disagree. I don't disagree on the DOD part at all. But I think that when I say that the red tape and all that, because you can say the legislative, the Republican legislative, was behind Doge, but they didn't pass a single law to actually do anything, and that's part of the problem, it's a status quo you can say oh yeah, I'm behind. Hey, dude, I'm behind you. You go do what you got to do. Hey, I need help with this. No, you go do what you got to do. Hey, we need to change the law here to fix this. Oh well, you go do what you got to do. Well, but wait a minute, we need to look at how we're spending money. Yeah, but you go do what you got to.
Speaker 1:There's a point where and this goes beyond Doge, this goes something I've been arguing now 10 years is executive orders. Executive orders are not the way you're supposed to govern. And I get, there are times where executive orders are, if not necessary, they are legitimate. But you've seen over the past three administrations and I'm saying Trump, biden, trump that that has become the norm. And yes, they can sit there and they can say, well, it's because the legislature is ground to a halt. Ok, fine, but you know what Part of the job of the president is to say this is the policy that we want to pass and then we need to come together and find that common ground.
Speaker 1:Famously, reagan and O'Neill back in the early 80s on political sides were were polar opposites, but they would sit down. If I remember the story rights, they got together. I believe it was every single week. They sat down and had a lunch and said, all right, where are we? What can we do here? Like what? Legitimately? One of the things I've argued the best thing that happened to Clinton was the 94 red wave, the contract with America, with, with newt gingrich, because for those first two years there were there was a democrat senate and there was a democratic house, and then you added so here, even then they. Then they got together and said, okay, so this, I want this, you want this, I want this and those't. But you know what? What about this? Yeah, yeah, I can do that. So the good ideas got through and that absolutely helped Clinton.
Speaker 1:But we're at a point now where if you're a moderate, if you're a Manchin or Romney or whoever in the middle, you're seen as somebody that is a rhino or whatever the equivalent of a Democrat rhino is, do you know? I don't know, but you even see that in the Democratic Party. I think it was our good friend, governor Walz from Minnesota, the failed vice presidential candidate. He came back I think it was this week and he said the reason we lost is we didn't go far. The American people don't think we went far enough on the progressive side. Really, that's what you think the problem was Okay?
Speaker 1:I mean, I hope so, because you know, you see Republicans. I'm sure you saw the video of the guy who was in his car talking about the LA riots and he basically said hey, you know what? Keep going, Because every person who sees this, you're creating a new red voter, because you have people jumping up on cars, burning down cars with Mexican flags and the ads are writing themselves for Republicans and there's a level of truth to that. But I think he's right. That said, I don't see anything that Republicans have done in the first. What are we now? Five?
Speaker 2:months, six months, six, now Five months, six months.
Speaker 1:Six months in. Yeah, you know, I've said, give it time, give it time, and so it's not that I'm unimpressed, but I'm certainly not impressed. I think this has been six months of a lot of bluster, a lot of hey, we're going to get a lot of we're going to swing for the fences and I've basically seen a lot of foul balls. We are right, we're still in the first at-bat, we haven't gotten anything done and all we're doing is fouling off pitches. As a country, it's like, okay, and meanwhile Israel's coming in and going grand slam, boom, we're going to do something. So with that, let's switch to what's going on with Iran and Israel. Yeah, all right, so here we go.
Speaker 2:So I put this caption up as Israel versus everybody, because right now it seems like Israel is just like well, hell, we already started. We might as well just keep rolling. For those of you guys who don't know hey, what up man? Hey, I'm so glad to see your face, brother. Thanks for joining us tonight.
Speaker 2:Hey, so Israel, the vulnerable country of Israel, who we have solemnly sworn to protect no matter what, has just been on a rampage. I remember I went back and I looked at a couple of episodes when they first started the issue with Hamas and I said Israel is that drunk cousin that you don't, you really don't want to have around, but when they're, you know they're family, so you have to protect them, no matter what they do. And it's one of those things where it's like okay, hey, I understand, hamas bombed you unprovoked, you went scorched earth. Justification was well, they still have our hostages, you would do the same thing. And I said, okay, that's a weird flex, but sure, alright, cool. And then, out of nowhere, they go shooting up Iran and you're like dude why that's not out of nowhere no, iran.
Speaker 2:So Iran has never, never preemptively, struck at israel, even though it's been, even though it has been an accident existential. No, for the last. Whatever they, they've been mortal enemies for god knows how long, but iran has never directly just sent missiles and struck well, what was that word you just used?
Speaker 1:yes, that no, no, the d word directly directly oh how is iran indirectly attacked israel no, we all right.
Speaker 2:So if turnabout spare play israel has is has unequivocally messed with Iran consistently over the last 48 years Absolutely. Israel has become the king of throwing stones and then throwing their hands up and be like we got to protect ourselves.
Speaker 1:Directly, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2:Here's my take on it.
Speaker 1:But this is something that has been coming for 10 years the idea of Iran having a weapon. I saw a British guy who was talking about this from about eight years ago and he said this is what's going to happen. It's basically what's happened, but Iran has, within the last couple of months, the World Watchdog and I'm blanking the name of the nuclear watchdog and it was the one that, yeah, it's the one they made fun of. Team America, hans Briggs? Oh no, not Hans Briggs, mr Kim, you will do what we say, or else we are going to write you a very strongly worded letter. Oh no, not Hans Briggs, fuck you hubrics. But basically OK. So the International Atomic Agency I think that's what it is yeah, so they basically came out, I think last month, and said, yeah, iran is just ignoring everything we're putting out. They are full of crap. They are well on their way. They are eminently going to be securing a nuclear weapon Eminently. It could be a matter of days and they have increased their production of weapon-grade nuclear material by 50% increase in the last two months, right, yeah, okay. So to me, israel's going all right.
Speaker 1:We were really close to having a deal with Saudi before Hamas attacked us. We're already in a pretty good spot with Egypt, because Egypt doesn't want to get involved in anything right now. Egypt they're, they're over there. Saudi they're kind of, and Saudi doesn't like Iran either. Remember Sunni and Shia. So Saudi is not on Iran's side either. Remember Sunni and Shia. So Saudi is not on Iran's side. Gaza is now a war zone that has been completely destroyed, so Israel's not really worried about a lot of attacks coming from Gaza and Hamas right now.
Speaker 1:Hezbollah, if you remember, a few months ago, they kind of went oh yeah, well, we're going to. And they got hit in the face and went oh crap, no, no, we're out. The Houthis were like, oh yeah, but we have ours, boom. And then the US went no, you guys are done. So now you've got Israel and Iran in a one-on-one situation, and you remember I think it was last year Israel punched a nice little jab right to Iran's face, right, they killed one of the top leaders, and Iran went you cut through the Tos and they launched a couple of missiles and then, ha ha, you see what we did to Israel. And Israel went oh yeah, oh no, you blew up part of the desert, oh no, okay.
Speaker 1:So now we're at a point where and I understand the argument because Israel will say with a straight face that we never instigate, we only react. And they will say that with a straight face, no matter how many times that has been shown. That's wrong, because what they do is they, preemptively, they kick the guy in the balls and say, f, you, you're not going to, hey, we're going to be in a fight. Hey, look over there, boom, boom, boom, I'm going to knock you out, I'm going to hey. Before we even.
Speaker 1:They're the guy in the bar who says, hey, you want to take this outside, and as they're getting ready to walk out, he grabs a bottle off the table and crunches them out, and then he throws them outside and say GTFO, right, okay, yeah, which I understand, because at the same time, while they're in the bar, that dude has been talking smack. He's going to kick Israel's butt and really, you know, mess him up and his buddies are all around. Well, right now, there's no buddies around. It's Iran and Israel. There's no buddies around, it's iran and israel. And I think iran's going oh crap, well, we have these missiles, so we're gonna launch these missiles, but iran, but israel's going, go ahead, we've got, I mean, you look at the numbers that I don't think it's necessarily Iran.
Speaker 2:Iran has never really been afraid of Israel, right? Because if it was one on one? If it was one on one, iran and Israel would be a coin toss.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, I don't agree with that at all, Iran has always been concerned and worried about who is backing Israel. Iran has shown restraint because they don't want the issues of America coming down on them after the fact. But just to play devil's advocate right, as much as Israel sits back and says well, we're constantly under attack, we got all these enemies around us. Iran has been like but dude, leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. If you stop telling people that we're trying to kill you, we won't kill you. It's really that simple.
Speaker 1:But Iran's whole thing is death to Israel and you guys don't have a right to exist.
Speaker 2:And we're going to use every proxy we can to wipe you out. Both ways, though, but it's both ways. Israel's whole thing is Iran. Doesn't we have to preemptively strike, because if we don't, you're going to kill us?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Of course, but that's no-transcript. Yom, yeah, the six-day war. Yeah, the yom kippur war. Right, so each time, each time they have been attacked, because they are seen as not only this, I'm not even sure. I'm not sure you can't put this in religious terms.
Speaker 2:You, I mean. But you ever? You ever think about if everybody around you hates you, then maybe it's not everybody else's problem. Maybe you may be. You may be a problem if everybody else in the region hates you. Has the thought never crossed the mind that, hey, maybe, just maybe we may be the problem?
Speaker 1:israel strikes me as the, the woman who always dates bad guys and will come out and say, well, every guy sucks, every guy sucks, without looking very different so I know it, because if you look historically, OK and you can go ancient, anciently, you can go fast forward to the time of Christ, you can fast forward into the time of the Roman Empire, fast forward to the Holocaust, you have this. This, the Jewish faith, is a very interesting dichotomy because the way Hitler put it is just insane, but this is kind of how it seems. Is all the Jews are a bunch of evil, shape-shifting, horrible, less than human people who rule the world. Which is it? Are they the dumb mongoloid group that is subhuman, or are they so super intelligent that they control the world? You can't have it both ways, and that's what Hitler did. That I mean Hitler, full on, was like the Jews. They are the ones that made us lose the war with the generals. And if it wasn't for the Jews and all this stuff, and they are pieces of garbage and they are worthless and they are nothings but they controlled the world and made us lose, what so the Holocaust?
Speaker 1:Now? Would the same thing be happening if Israel had been created between Montana and Saskatchewan? I'm doing well with my words today. No, no, it wouldn't have been right of it right. But historically, if you go back anciently, because Israel was. For thousands and thousands of years they were in the Palestinian, the Canaan area, and that's where the UN decided to do it. And so now you fast forward from the late 1940s, multiple wars that have been 1940s, multiple wars that have been gang up on Israel, and Israel has gotten quite honestly, they've gotten kind of probably should have lost If Egypt and Syria during the Six-Day War had actually attacked at the right time.
Speaker 1:I believe it was Syria that delayed. If I remember my history right, Egypt and Syria were supposed to attack at the same time and open a two-front war. It didn't work because Israel went or, I'm sorry, Egypt went and Syria sat on their hands for about three days and by the time Syria jumped in, the Sinai was already gone. Israel had gone in with the air force and wiped out the Egyptian forces. Then they were able to turn around, go north and take out Syria. Now I could be wrong, could be vice versa.
Speaker 2:With the help of America.
Speaker 1:Well, with the help of American arms. They didn't get help from American military, but, yes, the arms. Absolutely Right, they had.
Speaker 2:American advisors. That was an American mission just like now. Just like now. So here's the thing right.
Speaker 1:Do you think Israel listens to America at this point as far as advisories go?
Speaker 2:Now not so much, but then definitely. So here's the thing, right? So Israel, right after the reconsolidation and the divvying up of land right in the early, early 20th century, imagine everybody in the region saying, all right, cool, well, we. 20th century. Imagine everybody in the region saying, all right, cool, well, we got this minority, got this minority state right and we wanna find a peaceful way. We know it's not gonna be peaceful. We've been at this for thousands of years.
Speaker 2:We're gonna figure out a way and the UN says, hey, no, no, no, we're the power brokers. We're gonna take this small minority and we're gonna designate all of this land, crossing all these cultural boundaries. And if anybody crosses this land or disfigures this land, we are going to come at you with everything we got. We can see how that can cause friction in the region, right, because you take a minor population and you just gave them land, which is cool, whatever, right? So then what happens is those who were given this land, this minority population who was given this land, comes back and says you know what? Hey, not only do we want this land, we also want that. Can you help us get that? And the footprint keeps growing and growing, while everybody in the region is saying hey, man, you weren't supposed to get that land, just be cool. And it just continued to grow. And what israel says?
Speaker 1:well, if we don't get that land that we were rightfully old, we're going to fight you for it, but they're not fighting fair so and I completely disagree with you on that historically, because when, if you want to say that Israel should not have been made in 1949, I think it was 1949. Fair, I mean, you can make that argument. Ok, we'll make that argument. But it did happen. And as soon as that happened as well. But part of the British mandate was there was going to be a Palestinian state as well and the, and that was declined to have. They said if we accept that israel is here and we accept this peace deal to also have a palace, you know, whether you make israel or not, if you make israel and give us about, and we accept that, I mean israel, and they never the muslim, the middle east never wanted, wanted Israel to come back Because, like you said, it's land right. So what they do, the first thing they do, is, as soon as the mandate happens, within a year, boom, they attack and Israel went okay, spoils of war, which is a normal thing. We kicked your butt. So now we're going to expand, we're going to keep the Sinai, we're going to keep the West Bank. We're going to keep Gaza. We're going to keep the sinai, we're going to keep the west bank, we're going to keep gaza. We're going to keep the heights the next time.
Speaker 1:And and so israel started and they got bigger and bigger and bigger, and then over the last 50 years they've given stuff back. Now that is not to say that there haven't also been individual settlements that have gone in and popped up that shouldn't have popped up according to their own rules. Right, and you know, it probably would have helped if Israel had said, okay, hey, here's our border, guys, so let's not go into their areas, let's back off. But at the same time, I'm sure the justification in a large part is I really don't care that this is a border If I want to move there, because we just had some dude go in and blow up a bus in Tel Aviv.
Speaker 2:Do you know why? Because I got the preeminent power of the world behind me and if anybody crosses me, all I got to do is make a call and say, hey, we're being attacked, come defend us, right? So here's the thing. If Israel had been left alone to its own bison, right? We say, okay, israel, here is your land. You are now a country, good luck, we'll get you set up, we'll give you everything you need to defend yourself and then go about it. If you get taken over or whatever, sorry, right. I mean alliances have been formed, whatever, right. But what? What happened was Israel became the Chihuahua in the region. Right, they kept nipping at the heels of everybody because they had the damn kennel behind them protecting. That's all that was. That's all it is.
Speaker 2:It's still evident to this day Israel, everything Israel's shooting is not from Israel. And it's twofold because the United States uses Israel to do its dirty work. You know what I'm saying. We understand the game, we both know. We both have been around the tactical, operational sphere long enough to know that it's pay for play sphere, long enough to know that it's pay for play. And the united states has used israel as their pseudo, pseudo henchmen for decades. Now, right, oh, they do the work that we can't. We can't do. So it's, you know, one hand washes the other, but so we got to get to a point to where we got to get to a point to where we got to start calling this thing out. You know, equally and fairly. Hey, okay, israel, stop fucking with people. To put it crass, stop fucking with people. You know, equally and fairly. Hey, okay, israel, stop fucking with people. To put it crass, stop fucking with people. Nobody, you know people, will probably be a lot more open to diplomatic means to help you if you stop fucking with them. No, they won't. No, they won't. Well, again, in 2000,. Let's go back. Let's go back and look here as recently as 2000,. I think it was 2011,. Back, let's go back and look here as recently as 2000. I think it was 2011.
Speaker 2:Obama had the, the middle eastern court. Where is iran? Was like, all right, cool, hey, man, to appease america, we are cool. Bring israel to the table. We'll come to the table and we're done. It was all but wrapped up. But then the predecessor of obama came in and said you know what? No, bump that Iran. You don't get it. You don't get a seat at this table, we'll defend Israel. And then the red team got all up in rounds about it and they got all antsy and loud like they did and they splashed. So at this point, if you sit back and you look at it like that, you've got to say, well, this is you know, this is, this is done objectively, it's not a matter of peace it's a matter of art.
Speaker 1:We have to keep this going. So, okay, few things I want to touch on. The us has had the back of israel since its formation in 1949, right, yes, okay, do you know who was supporting all the arab states since 1949? Yeah, there you go. So this isn't just the. This wasn't just. This was absolutely a proxy thing. A lot of this has been proxy wars, right, so so the US supporting Israel is not a surprise when you go, ok, well, you know the Russians are supporting Syria and Iran and all those. Ok, so the other part of what's going on is you've never had Iran even recognize Israel. They don't even say Israel, they say that country. It's like BYU and Utah. It's so funny, the University of Utah. You'll hear their coaches say that school down south. They won't even say BYU. That's what Iran and Israel are like, right, it's a rock yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so that's that's what I'm saying, like at this point. Yeah, because Israel does America's dirty work, especially in the Middle East. It's their only democracy in the Middle East, it's the only, it's the only country that has the intestinal fortitude to basically say you know what? We are in a legitimate kill or be killed situation and so, yeah, we're going to do what we got to do. If it's a knife fight, we're bringing out, we're bringing a gun right.
Speaker 1:The US. We always talk about in the US. You and I are both soldiers, right. So when we talk, always talk about in the us, you and I are both soldiers, right. So when we talk about, well, the terrorists aren't, uh, following the geneva, well, why should we? And what's the answer for every american soldier? Because we wear this flag, we have your standards. And israel goes we don't give a flying f about that. We don't want somebody sneaking up behind us and slashing our throats, right? So I don't have a big problem with Israel going in and taking out the nuclear trying. I don't even know. The last report I saw was not all of the sites were rendered inoperable.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you would.
Speaker 1:honestly, so it's going to be interesting, but I I think that what's going to happen in the coming weeks is you're going to have yeah, iran's going to launch a bunch of scud missiles and israel's going to keep striking and they're going to escalate. It's not going to go nuclear because israel's the only one with a new. If it goes nuclear, it's going to. It's going to be on Israel's part because they're the only one with one. But I think at that point they would actually lose the support of the US. So they can do everything up to excluding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, excluding, because I think if they dropped a nuclear because you remember back in the day you're talking about the mid-2000s you and I both know that if they had done a DOD poll that said, should we turn, should we end this war, it would have been 95% that said yes, yeah, go ahead and just drop a big one on Tehran and we can all go home right, because Tehran was backing everything after 03. That was all Tehran. That wasn't the Iraqi people per se, that was the Iranians coming in and killing all of our guys, all the IEDs, all the shape charges.
Speaker 2:I mean, but we knew charges, but we knew that, though we knew that.
Speaker 1:Right, but at the same time, by knowing it but not willing. It was Cambodia 2.0. It was. We know everything is going through Iran, but we as Americans? Well, iran didn't officially declare war against us, which is ironic because we didn't declare war against Iraq either.
Speaker 1:Technically so, but it was one of those yeah, yeah, it was one of those things that America, even America, we kind of went. But you know, I remember reading a story I think I've told you this story before, but I remember reading a story years ago that Iran I'm sorry, israel had a team ready to go to go assassinate Saddam Hussein well before the Gulf War, right, and they the second Gulf War, and they had the team ready to go and the day before they were doing their final run through, which was with live, live ammo, and they actually had a mishap and a hand grenade went off and it killed like five of the 12 team members, which made them combat ineffective. So, of all the what ifs in the world, you think where would we be today if, instead of having to go in and have Gulf War 2.0, if that hand grenade hadn't gone off and Mossad had gone in and actually killed Saddam, assassinated Saddam Hussein? How much different this world would look right now.
Speaker 2:It's one of those really interesting, but it's then. Rumsfeld wouldn't have made money, right, we were going. We were going to Iraq. We were going to Iraq regardless.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. If that, I don't think, if that happens, I think it would have been something else, but you're right. Yeah, I think you're right about the money.
Speaker 2:You had to secure the stability of the region, right. That was the whole thing. The whole vision was we were going to expand the democratic footprint. Iraq would now become a second Democratic foothold. However, the Democratic elections in Iraq did not turn out the way we thought they would.
Speaker 1:Well, not to. I think the bigger thing there also is just the absolute ridiculous miscalculation of firing everybody in the iraqi government and not and not hiring oh, you were a bath party guy, nope. And if you contrast that with what happened in japan, with what macarthur did, macarthur went in and he basically said all right, who are your top guys? Yeah, get, get them in here. Hey, are you willing to work? You guys lost. Now, of course, there's a cultural difference here. And the japanese were like we lost, you win, we'll do what you say.
Speaker 1:Uh, but macarthur didn't go in and shut down the police force and shut down the um, all the stuff that goes along with a huge mistake. Oh, it's probably the biggest mistake the us has made in the past 30, 40 years, especially geopolitically. I, I again and and I think that that was I I understand the idea behind it. Oh, we're going to go in and we're going to make iraq into, but you can't do this with people. Americans are very, very bad about understanding other cultures. It's well, we're Americans, this is everybody's democracy.
Speaker 2:You want to be like America, don't you?
Speaker 1:Everybody loves America. Hey, we've seen the Poland. If you want to go to another country, you want to be in America. We're the best. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1:But at the same time you can't take somebody who is a goat farmer and say we're going to bring you. Do you remember, do you remember the movie with Robin Williams where he was a Russian dissident who comes from the. He defects from I don't remember what he defected from, but he comes to America, right, and he defects and he goes to the grocery store for the first time and he's standing there and he can't move because he's in a supermarket, and just a normal supermarket. But there are so many choices. He's paralysis by analysis because he's going how do you have all these stuff, what we don't have? It like he, it the russian, his russian brain was not able to understand it. And americans are kind of like the exact opposite, like well, I can't. It's just a supermarket. What do you mean? You go in, you buy what you want and he's going you have 50 different kinds of cereal. When I go, when I stand, I have to stand in line for three hours to get a box of whatever cereal they give me and you have. How do I choose?
Speaker 1:And so I think that when you have a situation where, like right now with Israel and Iran, I really think that I think the US is going to continue backing Israel as they always do. I don't think there's a red line other than the nuclear, and I think that here's here's part of the other problem, and this goes back to kind of the conspiracy, little tin hat stuff going on. Well, israel just came in and hit the oil of Iran. Right now, remember, the crude oil manufacturing in Israel is not what it used to be. I believe it's under 5% of the world. But if you take out 5% of the oil-producing nation, that's going to affect the money. Mod scow on the Hudson. Thank you, thad. Yes, that's exactly to affect the money. Mod scowl on the Hudson. Thank you, thad. Yes, that's exactly what it was. And if you are, it's almost like you study movies there, thad, but if you go in and you do that. So my question is and this is something with the conspiracy theory that you sent me on Friday morning about the Pizzaeds dominoes or whatever it was, yeah, like if you had, if you had, a smoking gun of a message went out to certain trump supporters that said you might want to short your oil for the next three months. Maybe you have something right. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1:I don't think this is going to turn. I think we're at the point where maybe Russia-Ukraine is the last true boots on the ground war that we're going to see maybe ever just because of the technology with drones and some of the other stuff we have. And at that point then the real question becomes is America still yes, you have the nuclear and all that, but like boots on the ground, I'm not sure boots on the ground is ever going to happen again, because Israel does. Israel put boots on the ground Now. Yes, they're in Gaza, get it, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think this escalates into a what I hope. Here's what I hope happens. I hope Israel goes in and kills every top person they can find in Iran and America actually supports the spring revolution in Iran, like it should have done back with Iraq in 92, 91, 92, when we didn't, if we had supported the people of Iraq like, like we promised in 91, or was it 90? Um, we don't have. Go for it. It was my junior year in high school, so it was 90 or 91, when the first go for happened. If we had supported the Iraqi people like we promised and the revolution had happened. But instead we cut base, we cut them off and we didn't support them, it was very much a Bay of Pigs. I'm surprised there weren't more comparisons of the Bay of Pigs. But if we had supported them like we were supposed to and like we promised, we never get to Gulf War II. We're a very different world. So I'm kind of hoping that what happens in Iran from this whole thing is they do rise up.
Speaker 1:You look at pictures of Iran from the mid 70s. Iran in the mid 70s was New York, los Angeles, st Louis. It looked like a normal American world where women walked around in skirts and men walked around in in, you know, ties and suits and and, and it's something that I think would be great if, if they rose up and they were able to overthrow the uh, the theocracy that they have. I just don't know if they will. I mean, you have, you've had now 50 years of death to America and the West is evil. How, how do you overcome that? I don't know, but it's going to be interesting, because I don't think they're going to get support from the rest of the region.
Speaker 2:If it's, if it's Israel and Iran, it's going to be a one on one, and Iran cannot win a one on one militarily with Iran and Iran cannot win a one-on-one militarily with Iran technologically, if Iran is somehow able to get back If they're backed by, if, with America standing back in the shadows punching, doing their hand like this, watch, right, it's like being on the schoolyard fight, right, like you've got two kids in the middle of the circle and technically it's a one-on-one fight, but one kid knows, if he whoops that other dude's ass he's got to fight the rest of the friends in the circle sitting in the back watch.
Speaker 2:So you're kind of. You're kind of iran, maybe kind of in this spot, like because you got to keep in mind, like, all right, just for as long as iraq I mean, israel has been prepping for iran iran has been prepping just as hard, if not harder, for it. Oh sure, that's why we're seeing these new hypersonics that are starting to land in Israel. That Golden Dome has been there almost 30-40 years. You don't think Iranian scientists haven't been planning and plotting how to get through it for the last 40 years. They haven't been sitting on their hands.
Speaker 1:Do you think those are Iranian? Do you think those are Iranian? Do you think those are Iranian scientists who are coming up with that stuff? Or another country a little bit further north?
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, the same way you know they use weapons, you know. Oh sure, suspiciously painted red, white and blue. You know it's one of them things. That's how it works, man.
Speaker 1:It's almost like geopolitical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I to tell people it's almost like geopolitical. Yeah, it's like I try to tell people man, don't get caught up in what you see on the news. You got to look behind the, you know, peek behind the curtain and see who the real wizard is.
Speaker 1:This is, you know this is how the world's been at play. Oh, for sure.
Speaker 2:And you have to wonder what's going on with Russia, because, remember, the Ukraine war was supposed to last for like two weeks. Oh yeah, I mean that that drone strike really messed them up. They were not. That. That was tactically brilliant. I, I was, I stood up and I clapped.
Speaker 1:When I saw that, I was like that is fantastic and that is why I, and that is why at this point, when I see articles in the new york times about has the us lost the high ground militarily because of drone strikes? I actually worry about that because china you legally, if I remember, you can't. They have passed laws in america that have kept it illegal to actually build drone, american drones. So unless the military is building them, Well, no, those drones, they're all. Chinese. They're all Chinese. They're off the shelf, half of them.
Speaker 2:When you look at it tactically. They had those drones. They sent them drones in on supply trucks at the beginning of the war. Right, so you have to you have to start thinking. You got to start thinking technically. How much crap is china shit to us that are sitting in warehouses?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean like and how many and how many military age young men have come across the southern border like I'm sitting, I'm sitting here, you know I've been at the technical game for a while but I'm like, oh, that's, that's interesting, right, like if, if that doesn't raise a red flag for, like the, the populace in america. Because, you know, we got a general, we got a general conception here in america that we're untouchable. Right, and we were right, nobody was going to land ships or planes in America and put boots on the ground. But in this new war space, in this new digital war space, where we got hypersonics and we got drones that are capable of, you know, reaching out and touching you, you got to really be concerned that, hey, man, we aren't as secure as you think. We are. Right, there, there's just no way. Like I'll give you a prime example that beeper technology that they use, that israel used, that was early 2000s tech, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, that was early 2000s tech and it was supremely efficient right and it was, and it was stuff they put into place years ago.
Speaker 2:You get what I'm saying. So you know the tactician in me is thinking like man that is, if they were able to pull. You know it's like Bugs Bunny pulling that old. You know pulling the old Acme sign out of his bag. Man we are. We got other stuff to worry about as a country.
Speaker 1:So part of the problem that the US and you know this and I know this is that we're at war, we are at cyber war with both Russia and China right now. Everybody else, yeah okay. You could say Ukraine, even, or whoever, yeah Okay, but we are in active warfare, literal, active warfare on the cyber side, against both China and Russia right now. This is why the space force and getting into space is such a big deal, because space you could do if you are.
Speaker 1:I don't think the U? S has a plan to do anything against China If there were to be a a active shooting war, because we, we would be so reliant on carriers and missiles and all that stuff. This idea and maybe it's fair, maybe it's a fair idea that we don't really need to worry ourselves about China all that much, simply because there's this thing called the Pacific Ocean between us and it's basically basically you can't really America, america cannot be defeated by land forces. We've seen it, it's called Red Dawn. It just come across the borders. You're going to have a bunch of rednecks running through the woods saying let's go shoot at some Chinese people.
Speaker 2:There's a reason why America and Russia have remained the two most dominant empires of the 20th, 21st century because you cannot traditionally. You can't invade them in traditional manners Now, in this new digital landscape again. That's why controlling those chips are so important. That's why people are saying our reliance on china is going to come back to bite us in the butt sooner rather than later. Because in this new digital war, yeah, he who owns the tech owns the upper ground, right? Remember? I remember coming up we said we own the night. Right, that was our thing. We own the night. We own the night. Well, um, there is, was our thing. We own the night. We own the night. Well, there is no more night, it's 24 hours daylight.
Speaker 2:So you know, people are getting attacked in broad daylight and we have to do a better job as a nation. But see again, that's what bothers me with this whole administration and all the left and right, you got the war within with the Christian national movement. You know what I'm saying. We can, we can agree to disagree on some of the final nuances of the Christian nationalism. I think that's the most existential threat to the nation. Um, and and and, since it's exception, but I digress that diversion, that that pseudo white supremacy diversion is going to end up costing us because, like I showed you with the, the whole, the whole pizza thing, right, you have our pentagon and these. These were a bunch of school-age kids who created an app to track the, the volume of orders in correspondence.
Speaker 1:That's on.
Speaker 2:Google. That's what I'm saying. That's on Google. My point is if kids are able to figure this out with rudimentary technology, what are our near peers surveilling us as a target tier? You sit back and you say, okay, well, we don't want to get into a point to where we're creating patterns or we want to be tracked, that sort of stuff. This administration is extremely lackadaisical with their procedures, to the point where it's almost comically braggadocious. Right, it's like we've become the the real life good word. You know, I mean, you cannot. We're america. So what? Yeah, so okay, so I was using unsecured, you know, whatsapp or whatever, to send missions. So what, what? We, we're the ones that make it up. We're the ones that make it up. We're the ones that make it. Who's going to stop us? You know what I'm saying. We got to realize and we got to understand.
Speaker 2:But I mean at its core, lance, at its core right, we can agree to disagree all this other stuff. You put the red and blue stuff to the side. At its core, you and I both know if you can be trapped by the enemy, you are in danger. There is no other way to put it. If you can be tracked by the enemy, you are in danger. And if, if our administration is doing things to where we can be tracked by school age kids, imagine what our near peers are. What information are near peers are gathering on this? That is a serious concern.
Speaker 1:So the first thing, on the pizza thing okay, if you don't know what that is, there's these kids that look back and they said there was a spike what was it, friday morning in the number of pizzas that had been ordered. And so because there was this spike, therefore the US actually did know what was going on in Israel when Israel was attacking Iran, because they obviously ordered all these pizzas so they could go in and watch the live stream. And so the US was lying when they said we didn't really know what was going on in Israel. So that's kind of the backstory to that For this incident. So for me, I look at that and I go eh, I mean, I'm sure any time of day of year you could have certain things where you go, boom, here's this beep.
Speaker 1:After the fact, it turns out, oh hey, you know there was this special legislative session or hey, we didn't, there was this emergency, whatever. There was no specifics to it. That's why, to me, that that one doesn't matter, the signal one, that's obviously a bigger one, but the problem with the Signal and the chips and all that, my concern is that I would guess, and I have absolutely zero insight. I don't have any insight or baseball anything on this, but I would guess somewhere between 60 and 70 percent of every single computer and electronic device and surveillance and camera et cetera, already has Chinese malware in it and they can shut it down by pressing a single button.
Speaker 2:I agree, all right. So we're going to cut it short here for those guys, for those guys that are watching us on Roku Thank you so very much for for another episode. We're glad to have you guys. We will see you guys next week. For those of you guys who are following us on social media if you're on roku, hop over on social media, come join us, join the conversation.
Speaker 2:For everybody else, we're gonna keep rocking here, uh, in a sec. So we're gonna pause, do our little tactical pause x right here. Okay, cool, now we back. But yeah, so I have to agree, man, it's just one of those things where I don't know. Like I said I've always said this to you and I've been consistent I've never been concerned with a Trump presidency. He is no more smart or dumb than any other president involved. I told you my biggest concern with his administration is the people who he is allowing to manipulate him in the administration. And six months in, we can say Rubio was a solid pick. You can have your own personal rights with Rubio, but I think Rubio was a smart play, right, you know, depending. You know you can have your own personal rights with Rubio, but I think Rubio was a smart play. He's been good Outside of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's been solid.
Speaker 2:Outside of that, these dudes are the worst kind of manipulator.
Speaker 1:Let me bring up one. Let me bring one up. And first, before I bring the one up, I want to make something up. I want to make one. We still don't know who was running the presidency for the last two years of the Biden administration. Ok, because it wasn't Joe Biden. But if this is true, I saw a video that said of the top 10 on the FBI's most wanted list. Now again, I have not fact checked, I don't know.
Speaker 2:That sounds like an X mean, and it might be that sounds totally like an X mean Well but again it was.
Speaker 1:It was one of those things that I saw on a video. I'd be curious, I'd be very curious to know, because you know it was one of those reaction videos of somebody going on yeah and it was like they were on. You know, oh, I'm watching this guy on nbc morning news or something like, so I don't know.
Speaker 1:But but honestly, I mean absolutely not, I'd be curious, I don't know, I want to know. But but was talking about how proud she was about the parade that happened yesterday and the Army 250th and how she saw that some troops were griping, that they had to participate or that there even was the parade or whatever Right. And what I said to her was well, you know, that's part of the manipulation. And she said well, I didn't see any, any manipulation by Trump. He got up and he said how proud he was of the troops and, you know, it was like it was all about the birthday. And I was like, no, that's not what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about the media manipulation. I've seen that in my friends. I've seen people on Facebook that have bought hook line and sinker things that the media puts out about very important things like what's going on in Gaza. I have a friend that is all in on the Gaza thing and whenever I point out and say you know, there's still hostages, hamas is still holding hostages, well, that doesn't matter, it matters to Israel, it matters to the families that have their hostages, and then I love the one, then the response is well, israel has a thousand Palestinian hostages. You mean prisoners in jail, in prison, those aren't hostages, those are prisoners, okay.
Speaker 1:So there's this manipulation by the media and so that's where something like what I said about kash patel. I don't know if this is true or not, but let's say for a second it was true, and if somebody can fact check it, I don't know, uh, but if it were to be true, like it doesn't, none of the good stuff gets reported because the media doesn't care about not just Trump. Okay, let's go back to Greg Easterbrook. Greg's argument, greg's whole thing regarding the media is basically the critique that we are in the best place in the history of the world. We have the best technology, we have the lowest amount of hunger, we have the best technology, we have the the lowest amount of hunger, we have the lowest amount of disease, we have the lowest, uh, amount of combat deaths in history. Um, we live in pretty I mean not even arguably pretty, pretty objectively, the greatest time in the history of the world and all we do is complain about how bad the world is. That's it.
Speaker 1:And so when you have the media who is constantly saying and don't get me wrong, fox News does it when Biden was in, and you know everybody else does it with Trump. Ok, so this is not a, this is not just a one side. Even you and I like, for all the things, we sit here, I think we still do a pretty good job. We focus on a lot of the negatives, but we're saying but we still appreciate certain things and we are happy about certain things, even right now, talking about and saying, hey look, it's amazing, you just moved from South Carolina to California and you and I can still get online and have a conversation and we do this. We don't make any money off of this. We do this because for me, my wife goes why do you do this?
Speaker 2:I told him today I told him today.
Speaker 1:I was like she said do you have anything going today? I said, yeah, I have my KJ time tonight. That's it my podcast. That's it my podcast. I get to go talk to kj, I'm talking to my friend and we happen to talk about politics. Oh, okay, so the fact that we're able to do that, I mean this, this is the type of thing if you were to say 200 years ago to people like it, and it's why the constitution cracks me up when people say the argument against the second amendment Well, the framers of the constitution didn't imagine you'd have machine guns that could fire 600 rounds in a minute. Yeah, they also didn't realize that with free speech, I could be talking to somebody in New Zealand right now, literally live, do you think? Do you think they thought about that when it came to free speech and I love the people who say that stuff so you're arguing on your computer on social media that the framers couldn't imagine guns that fired a lot of bullets all at once.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's a weird argument, I don't know.
Speaker 1:So we're. So we're in a situation with Trump or anybody really, but Trump especially there is a special, you've got to admit. There is a special vitriol for orange man. Bad Right, and it's always worth. Worse with Republicans, but oh, three of the top 10 must have been captured. And it's always worse with Republicans, but oh, three of the top 10 must have been captured. Hey, that's great. Three out of 10 is still pretty. That's pretty significant in a matter of a few weeks. So, yeah, so I don't know where that guy was coming from, but hey, thad, I appreciate the fact. Check on that. So at the same time was that reported? I hadn't heard anything. Had you heard anything about the three of the 10 since Kash Patel's come in have been captured? That's, that's pretty significant. That's pretty impressive, right?
Speaker 2:I mean, you know I'm not a fan of the FBI, so I could care less.
Speaker 1:That's beside the point.
Speaker 2:It's one of them things where it's like, oh OK.
Speaker 1:You and I are not going to have a lot of disagreements about our opinion of the FBI and or many government organizations. The irony is we both make it made our living off of a very large, if not the largest, federal agency, but at the same time, you know we were part of that, same time, you know we were part of that and you know, hey, as if you ask me, I think I did a pretty good job of of, of making my little piece of the world better, despite um being stabbed in the back multiple times, uh, by by other soldiers in your circle in my, in my inner circle, yeah, inner just like circle.
Speaker 2:I got stabbed yeah, you're like what the hell?
Speaker 1:yes yeah, I got, yeah, I got stabbed. You know, and and again, my wife doesn't want me to ever tell the story on on media because she's like it won't do you any good. I was like, well, I definitely won't do it before.
Speaker 2:Yes, not before afterwards or I I retire.
Speaker 1:Uh, maybe you know what I I think I might have to. I might have to do the sub stack thing. I might have to do it as a series, but ooh, okay, I don't know what. That is somebody. I don't know if we have a. Is that a bot? Hi, bot, we love bots. That's our first bot, though I don't think we've had a bot comment yet. Does that mean we're making the big time?
Speaker 2:we are moving up on the world we have a bot yeah, we world we have a bot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have Thad and a bot. But you know, realistically, when we're looking at like the parade, like again, I look at it and go it was a parade. It was the 250th parade. I remember when I went through basic training it was the 200. It would have been the 201st Army birthday.
Speaker 1:I remember doing a parade. I never once thought it was like anything special outside of hey, it's the Army's birthday and anything special, like weird special I mean. But I tell you right now I still remember that was the first time that I was in uniform and I really got it because I was standing in formation and they did the national anthem and it was the Army's birthday and I had tears going because I was now part of of that brotherhood and so I didn't watch the parade, I flipped it on YouTube and I went click, click, click, click, like literally I just clicked through the two hours just to see. I was like, oh cool, they have something. But at the same time I also remember when they did those and I was like, okay, do we really need to stand out here in Fort Leonard Wood in 90 degree heat and 70% humidity and we're all sweating our testicles off and at the meantime it's like here we have Private Johnson in a World War I outfit Blah, blah, blah, blah and you're just like who's the next one?
Speaker 1:All you're doing is looking around, going who's going to fall next? Who's the next one? Who's going to pass?
Speaker 2:out Taking bets, taking bets, yeah right right, how many.
Speaker 1:How many is good. Yeah, right, right, how many. Yeah, so you know the parade. I just I think it's funny for the parade to then become part of this no kings thing, because I don't know where this came from. I think it's bad marketing, honestly. Whoever came up with the no kings? Because it's not. It's definitely Ast astroturf. This is not a natural thing. And then here's the funniest part, and I don't know if you're going to agree with me oh, I have somebody sneaking in. I have a child behind me sneaking in.
Speaker 2:I thought that was one of my rappers. That was one of my rappers.
Speaker 1:I read today that Trump is going to start reducing the roundups based on his secretary of and I didn't read the whole article based on the recommendation of the secretary of agriculture, because the farmers have been once again the argument who's going to pick our fruit? And so now you talk about where's the slippery slope? If you're Trump and you're going to say we are serious about immigration, we are serious about closing the border, we are serious about getting people who are not supposed to be here out of the country, we're going to get rid of people who have overstayed their visas, we're going to get people who came across the border illegally and we're going to do all this, oh what? Oh, there aren't enough people picking lettuce in California. Well, except for those people in California that are picking lettuce and strawberries, you know what you can't do. That it's insane. You can't. You can't If you are going to say we are going to be a nation of laws and we are going to.
Speaker 1:We are going to take this wife who's here illegally from this husband, and now we're giving it's kind of the opposite side. We're going to give the democrats now look, here's their ad. All they have to do is say look how much the republicans hate families and don't care about what the family structure is, and they're who cares. You know she was in america since she was 14 and guadalupe had a stable home and was living in America for 20 years. She'd been married to her husband, raul, who was an American citizen. During that time they had a very difficult time with finances and both worked hard and didn't have the chance to buy an immigration, to hire an immigration lawyer, because they trusted for the american government to protect them and the trump and the republicans came in and ripped guadalupe out and sent her back to mexico, where she is now.
Speaker 1:You know, blah, blah. You know, at the same time you're writing the same thing, the same type of you know. So it's just, it's so stupid, because there are such simple ways. Again, you got you and I, tupac, saved the world. We talk about solutions, the easiest. There is such a simple way to fix this. I wrote this on Facebook. Fix this. I wrote this on Facebook.
Speaker 1:You can pass two laws that will eliminate 90% of the problems we have. Number one it is required to be a US citizen and have a valid United States citizen identification to vote. That's number one. Number two the census will only count United States citizens in their census. So what would that do? Okay, so now you just eliminate anybody who's potent.
Speaker 1:And people have said well, there's not widespread fraud, it doesn't matter, it's a perception. You want to have people vote who are citizens. You provide the IDs. You let anybody who needs one, if they can, validate it by mail. And I had somebody, I had a friend argue this on Facebook.
Speaker 1:He said well, you know, it's really tough for poor people and people who are in rural areas and people of color to get an ID like that. And I said, dude, you have a really low opinion of people who live out, rural people or black people or whoever you're saying. I trust black people to be able to go and get an ID. I think black people are just as capable as white people of going and getting an ID. Call me crazy, right?
Speaker 1:But the second thing is when you have, let's say, 5 million people come into the country, what that does is it does throw off the representation, because if you take 500,000 people and put them in New York City, well, utah needed another 30,000 citizens to get a fifth congressional seat, but because New York City had 500,000 more people, utah didn't get that extra seat. So that's a big deal, right, and I understand the whole argument. Misrepresentation, because Wyoming has more representation than New York, based on a per capita, and that's why senators, versus how I get all that stuff, right. But if you pass those two laws, and that's before you even get into migrant, temporary migrant.
Speaker 1:Look, if somebody wants to come to America and pick fruit, cool, you come across, get your card, beep, little biometric. You walk in, you work for the six months, just you, not your kids, just you and you want to send your money back at a reasonable tax rate because you know, president, what's her name in? I want to say it's Scheinbaum, but that sounds racist. The Mexican president. The Mexican president, it's a Jewish name, it's like Scheinbaum or something like that.
Speaker 2:How in the hell did they?
Speaker 1:pull that off. Yeah, she's apparently not even from Mexico, at least I read something. I don't know if that's true or not, but she's Jewish, I know that. Or well, I mean ethnically Jewish. Or she's jewish, I know that, or well, I mean ethnically jewish, or she's not a. She's not a practicing jew, but um, but like there's things that could be done again.
Speaker 2:It's kind of the the whole census thing. I I understand it. But again, constitution if if you change it.
Speaker 1:It's not there. Constitution doesn't say anything about it outside of it has to be done. It has to be done and Congress decides how it's done.
Speaker 2:Right and everybody had to be represented. Well, I think you posted 2-1, right Article 2, section 1?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again it doesn't say how right. All it said was every free. I believe it says every free citizen, and then it went into the whole three-fifths and that's been changed, obviously, since then Not citizen every free person? Every free person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the nuance.
Speaker 1:And so yeah.
Speaker 2:Scheinbaum oh, I got her name right. That's how you were able to get to that whole three-fifths thing, because every free person they was like well, you know the south has more slaves than we do.
Speaker 1:Blah, blah, blah. So that's yeah, well, and the irony of the three, the irony of the three-fifths again, was it was not to. It wasn't racist in terms of we want to degrade black people. It was we didn't want to give the south more power, overwhelming power to overwhelm the black you know to use. When you're not letting black people vote, well, why are we counting black people in the census if they can't vote? And we're going to give you more power in the South. That will actually hurt black people even worse.
Speaker 2:Is that not the same? Is that not the same argument?
Speaker 1:I don't think it is, because when you're coming from another country this is what I've said to my my sister was arguing with me about this and she said well, you know why can't people come here? If you, if and I've heard this argument from a lot of people If you lived in one of these other countries and you weren't able to get a job or make money and you knew you could go to America and you could make money and support your family, wouldn't you want to? And I said, of course, sure, but where's the line? Where's the line of it's, it's borders don't matter anymore, then, and you have to have, you have to have a procedure, you have to have rules in place, and if the rules are, you can only come in in place.
Speaker 1:And if the rules are, you can only come in, unfortunately, through a lottery or through a time and money consuming. And it's unfair that somebody can drop $5 million on a Trump gold card. Well, that's life. Life's not fair. You and I both, we both teach our kids Life's not fair, and it'd be great if historically, people I mean borders and managing populations have always been a thing Right.
Speaker 2:You've always had to go through a central checkpoint. You have to state the reason why you were there, and if you overstayed it they would round you up. It was a lot easier back when things were contained because because, hey, that house ain't supposed to be there. Who the hell lives there? You get what I'm saying. People tend to get that whole concept of oh, immigration control is bad. It's not.
Speaker 2:It's the history of the world. The theory of immigration control is great. The correlation I was making between the three-fifths rule and the immigration issue of today is they counted all of those, those black people, right, who didn't have a chance to vote, who don't have any representation, right, they're just right here for sure. And the people were profiting off of their labor. There's a lot of correlations, right. You have the immigrants who? The immigrants, are not allowed to vote, even though the perception is that they're voting. They're not. But the perception I get, the whole perception is reality thing. They're not, it's just not.
Speaker 1:It's not widespread.
Speaker 2:Hold on, it's not widespread, but it happens, it happens and it happens and, according to what's on record, it happens more on the red side than the blue side, but it happens. But again, I understand the perception of it Right. But here's the thing though those immigrants who come in when they buy from our grocery stores, when they buy from our gas stations, when they drive on our roads, when they pay the tolls, they are paying into a system that they get no benefit right. When they're out working those fields for pennies on the dollar, at a low rate, they are benefiting a system that they don't receive the benefit back from. So that's duality.
Speaker 1:Okay, because, okay, so let's say somebody is picking, let's go nice round numbers, right. Somebody's picking strawberries on the side of on the California coast for $5 an hour, right, okay, and they're driving the roads and this and that, okay, but they're not getting any benefit. The benefit is that $5, they can send $2 of that back to their family in whatever country, and that their family that $2 that they're sending back of every, okay, they're working 10 hours, so that's $20 a day, five days a week, $100. Okay, so that $100 that they're sending back to their country and to their home in Mexico or Nicaragua or whatever, allows their family in a way that they couldn't even be making $100 a week if they were there working, right, right but that's one-sided though.
Speaker 2:How much of that $100 investment into that worker that that farm or that corporation is getting, how much ROI off of that $100 is that?
Speaker 1:farm getting.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, oh, yeah, oh yeah, oh sure, you have states like Nebraska who are literally going broke because they don't have any migrants. We've seen it in Florida. When DeSantis did it, desantis kicked out all of his immigrants, right? Well, pretty much they did the whole roundup thing before Trump made it popular and Florida, the Florida ecosystem, almost collapsed because they lost. They lost. I think they reported 65% of their orange crops alone that they weren't able to pick. They were just sitting there because they had nobody to pick them. So when we talk about you know what's the cost now? Yeah, it cost us $100, and out of that $100, they're sending 50 of it back to wherever they're at right, but these corporations are making hand over foot off of that property. But here's the thing it's always the lowest common denominator, and that's why I said it's always it's as American, as American pie, because the rich get richer and it always comes back to blaming the low, low man, right.
Speaker 1:No, and that's low man on the totem pole.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's and that's where I'm saying there's ways to fix it Right. I don't have a problem with somebody wanting to come here saying there's ways to fix it right. I don't have a problem with somebody wanting to come here. I think we need to fix the system.
Speaker 1:I have no problem with what used to be in place, which was a card, a migrant card. You used to have people, migrant workers. Let's just keep it simple and use two countries. Let's just use Mexico and and use two countries. Let's just use mexico and in california, right.
Speaker 1:So in the spring you would have tens of thousands of migrant workers from mexico come up into california, start picking the crops. They'd be picking the lettuce, they'd be picking the avocados, they'd be picking whatever strawberries, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, through six months, so from March, april, all the way through to about September. At the end of September, what they do? They went home. Cool, there you go. I'm fine with that system If it's a card that says you come in and you're able to work, and I have that card, I have a six months. I'm going home, I'm not coming in with my family, I'm not bringing my kids up and putting them in the system If they get hurt and they need to go to the hospital, I think, yes, you still need to provide emergency care and all that stuff. Okay, but that's the difference is we've?
Speaker 1:changed Right and we've gotten, but that's not how it is now. It did work. It worked for decades.
Speaker 2:Oh, the card, oh the card.
Speaker 1:Is that what you said?
Speaker 2:Well, you go back and you look at the sharecropping system right After slavery. We tried that whole. We tried that whole. We'll come in and work.
Speaker 2:Sharecropping is very different though here's how it's not different. Right, because the arrangement will say hey, you come in, you work the fields, we'll pay you a portion of it. Whatever sands, equipment or whatever rent is right, but without the protection. And this is where you get into that slippery slope. Without the federal protection, you have organizations like the KKK, the white supremacists or whatever. As those workers were coming into work and leaving, they kept disappearing and they ended up hanging in trees. We've seen this work, we've seen this process before. That that was. Protection is important.
Speaker 1:Fair, but it wasn't in the widespread numbers that it was. It was, it was shutting down the whole. The bigger problem with the sharecroppers was basically what you had kind of with, like the mining towns, right. So you had the people that want to go in and they want to work these fields, and you would come in and say, okay, well, I'm going to work this field because you know the owner has this land and you're supposed to give me 50% of the pay. But then they'd come in and say, okay, well, where's my 50% of the crop? And they say, well, you know, yeah, we sold it for a thousand dollars, you're supposed to get 500. But well, you know, you use my tools and there's 50. And while you were living on the land, you ate this food and it became a corporate town and that was. You didn't have that with the migrants in the same way.
Speaker 2:And what the enforcement, though? What I'm saying is the enforcement is the same, because when, when the African-Americans would have their disagreements, they will know this is what the contract says, this is what the papers I had yeah, nobody Right they would use. They would use, they would use the local authorities to come in and kidnap and harm those, those African-Americans.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying there are yeah, the reason why, the reason why people are saying hey, hey, hey, this is a bad idea, this is a slippery slope, is because we've tried that before. You know, we tried the whole freedom papers thing right, we tried that. Hey, as long as you got your papers, you can move freely throughout the country.
Speaker 1:Make sure you have your papers.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, I just think okay it's uncomfortable to tell you, but at the essence, at the of, the essence of it all is, it's the bottom line is none of it matters if you don't have a federal enforcement, if the federal uh, if the federal local authorities are working against you, it doesn't matter what papers you have, because when those african americans had their freedom papers, those papers would get ripped up by those same authorities and sent right back to the field.
Speaker 1:But I think we are. So it is so difficult to me to compare what happens in 2025 with what happened in 1955, right, or 1945 or 35, right. 1955, right or 1945 or 35, right. And that's where I look and I say, because you have the technology, you have instant reporting, you have people coming out and, yeah, you have intimidation. But you have intimidation both ways too, like you have for every, for every boss. Um, what was his name? What was the sheriff's name in alabama that turned on the the fire hydrants? Boss, uh, oh, uh, it's not boss hog he was on the duke of the hazard.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I can't remember his name, but I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:That was it okay? No, yeah, it was sheriff.
Speaker 2:And then you had the governor, who was Right, right, right, right.
Speaker 1:So what I'm saying is I think today, because you have cell phones and because you have instant communication, we're just not in the same situation. Like I wanted to compare what you said about the. You said that you compared the LA riots to the civil rights marches that were going on in the South, right?
Speaker 2:No, no, no no, no, oh, that wasn't you. No, no, those are two totally different things.
Speaker 1:Okay, somebody else was making that comparison and I apologize if it was you. Thad, I'd like to see some proof on that. Um, uh, that, I'd like to see some proof on that. But because people go disappearing both sides all the time whistleblowers against the government and etc.
Speaker 2:Bull connor boss, I said boss instead of bull.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what threw it off. So okay. So I've seen this argument then and I apologize that it wasn't you that what's going on and like in the marches, wasn't you that what's going on in the marches in Los Angeles is like what's going on in the South, and I think that is one of the most lazy, ridiculous comparisons, because what's going on in Los Angeles is a level of violence, a level of coordinated attacks where the civil rights was, hey, you know what? We are going to join arms and we are going to very, very specifically not be violent. We are not going to attack the police, we are not going to go against, we are going to passively resist. Where what's going on, the results were the same.
Speaker 2:So when you passively resist, here's the. Here's the thing, though People like to skim over. When you passively resist, right, because the civil rights movement led by, led by Dr King, was all about nonviolence. We're going to, we're going to exercise our right to peacefully protest, yada, yada, yada. And they got dogs sick on them, they got hoses turned on, they got beaten across the head with nightstands. The results are the same. So, whether it's not a matter of whether you're protesting peacefully or or angrily or, however, what matters is who. What is the administration going to allow? Because, because the civil rights, the civil rights movement did not change until the Kennedys were starting to push it that way. And then Lyndon Johnson got put in a foxhole, to where he was like, well, shit, if I don't do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't win. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So let me go ahead and sign it. So it's not a matter of, you know, peaceful protest or non-peaceful protest. It's a matter of what does the administration? How does that affect the administration?
Speaker 1:But you're going in and you're doing these raids in Los Angeles that everybody knows are coming. They've said look, you can report yourself, We'll give you $1,000 and a plane ticket to go home. So this is a very opportunistic way to leave the country. This is not and that I'm not saying that people don't die and get killed. I'm curious, like what was the you're saying a cop killed these two guys Shocking. There are dirty cops out there who knew guys. Shocking. There are dirty cops out there who knew. But you know in the LA, what's going on in LA is you have these guys going out and they're breaking up the bullards, so they have rocks to throw at the police and they are going in and they are surrounding and breaking, Like one of the things one of my friends said oh, it's about to get real, it's about to get real in LA.
Speaker 1:But then I read a really interesting article that I thought was really insightful Because it said the protesters and the local police are basically on the same side, taking their cues from the same groups. So the higher up, let's say the mayor of Los Angeles, who is a communist like she's an actual communist she is telling the police look, we need to show that we're in charge of our city. Just not too hard. But we support the protesters, Just don't hurt the cops. So there's this kind of balance between the violence of the LAPD and violence of the protesters. And hey, as long as nobody, as long as nobody really gets out of hand, we can make this, we can make this, we can make this happen that's ultimately how protests are supposed to work.
Speaker 2:It's like, hey, I want to, I want to provide, I want to protect your, your, your, you know your constitutional right yes, protest oh sure, same time I, as the chief administrator of the city, I'm letting the police force know. Hey, man, you have I got your back, do what you have to do what you have to do, but use restraint. Use our rule, if you will.
Speaker 1:Yes, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So in that regard, administratively, that's the right way to do it.
Speaker 1:But here's the wild card. Now you have Trump and the federal coming in, going we're enforcing the law, we're going to do it. Hey, we've been saying we're going to do it.
Speaker 1:That was bullshit. That was absolute bullshit. I I don't think it was. What's funny about this is I can't tell you how many memes I've seen that basic and I'm all about hey, you want to go protest as long as there's no destruction, and and again, as a libertarian. As a libertarian, your rights stop where mine begin, right.
Speaker 1:Did you see that video of the, the two white people who were blocking traffic, and the what? And the black moms like, hey, I need to get to work, I need to provide? And they start laughing. You just, you want to go to work. And it's like you, absolute idiots. You're these two leftist white people and you're stopping a person of color who wants to go provide for their family. Do you realize how stupid this looks? Look, I think if you block a freeway I'm with DeSantis you block a freeway, you get run over. I think if you're a motorist, you should be able to drive down the street. You drive down the street and somebody jumps in front of your car and you hit them. In fact, the person who gets hit. Your insurance should cover my car damage.
Speaker 2:If you are out protesting without the proper permits and that's the nuance, right I don't even care.
Speaker 1:Permits Go down, stay on the sidewalk and so be it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Do you think you need a permit? Do you think you should need a permit to protest?
Speaker 2:I don't think you need a permit to protest.
Speaker 2:I also don't think you need a permit to hunt, fish or drive or anything like that Agreed but laws are what they are, and if you register your protest, if you register your protest and say, hey, we are protesting, we will be in this street during these hours, this is the way we're protesting. And a vehicle comes down and harms you, then I, at that point, the protesters are in the right of way. But if you just decide to be a bunch of dummies who decide to get on the freeway on a Tuesday and protest because you're pissed off, then the you know, then the person driving the vehicle has every right to tell you to get the hell off the street because you're not supposed to be there. Right, there's a way that both can happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I'm saying there's, there's not a either or there's a common sense way, like a lot of people like to go back and they like to pick and choose what to do in the 60s. One thing that the marchers and the organizers of the 1960s civil rights movement was prolific at is using the law to their advantage, right. So when those policemen would stop them from marching on the streets, they were violating the law. When those civilians were counter, were counter protesting and attacking those protesters from the 1960s, they were violating the law. What happens now is you got a bunch of idiots who are out on the street disorganized and just because they're in their feelings, they want to decide, they want to go sit in front of traffic and feel that they got it right away and they're wrong. So there's two ways that can be done. No, no, there aren't proper permits to walk on the street. You're absolutely right. The permit is to have a gathering or use a march. It's no different than if you wanted to go do a parade. If you got a permit to do a parade, you will be marching down the street, all right. So I guess my biggest gripe with those guys in LA is not necessarily the gripe in LA, because for the most part it's BLM all over again.
Speaker 2:You have those agitators who get in and their sole purpose, regardless who hired them, their sole purpose is to cause disruption within a organization. We've we've seen that time and time again. It's been proven. You know, the government has been known for the last 60, 70 years, since COINTELPRO, to insert agitators into peaceful organizations for the simple right to make it look like you know those guys are bad, you good, yeah, keep going. So, yeah, so it would not surprise me, you know, if those agitators were in, there, were in there, right.
Speaker 2:Prime example, there were some veterans. I don't know if you got a chance to see it. There were veterans who broke the barricades at one of the government buildings in Washington DC this week. And the difference between what they did and what the January 6th's did is they did a sit-in protest on the Capitol steps, didn't go in, didn't do anything. They did a sit-in Veterans, did a sit-in on the Capitol steps to protest the use of veterans in the parade. Do I agree with it? No, but it was the right way to do it. So it was a coordinated protest across the country. And here's the difference it was a protest across the country, but for the mass, for the.
Speaker 2:The problem with, with with the protest and how things are running now is there's no organization, right, you, you can gather and you can have a protest if you decide to stay on the sidewalk. But what you cannot do? You cannot impede the flow of traffic if you do not have the permit. Impede the flow of traffic if you do not have the permit. That's the difference. If you decide to stay on the sidewalks and you line every sidewalk in America with signs or whatever, you are well within your constitutional right. The minute you step in a public street and impede the traffic or impede the right of way of another civilian, you are in default.
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, and that's you don't have the permit, and that's where Liberty, yeah. And that's where Liberty saying there aren't permits to allow you to stop traffic, yeah, and so. And that's where, again, even permits and, like you said, laws are laws, me personally I think it's kind of I know it's constitutional because the Supreme Court has said constitutional, ok I think it's unconstitutional when they set up these locations and say, hey, the president's going to be speaking here, so here's the speech area, you can go over here and you can protest however you want. Want in this area. I don't agree with that. I personally think that, again, if, if it's in america, as long as you're not impeding somebody else's rights, right, you should be able to protest. Now, again, there are limitations to that because, like, if you have who's matt walsh, let's say Matt Walsh is one of those conservative dudes, right. If Matt Walsh gets invited, yeah. If Matt Walsh gets invited to the university of Michigan and he has these protesters popping up during his his talk and shouting down so he can't have his interactions, yeah.
Speaker 2:Kick them out.
Speaker 1:That is not. That is not okay form of protesting. You want to be outside? Okay, hey, you know what? Go outside the building, do all that. But he and his team arranged with the university. They were invited there, they were brought on.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like when Crowder goes on, he gets the permits and he goes on to the University of Texas and he does my change of mind thing and you have people out there shouting them down. Well, ok, guess what? They're in a public spot, so are you? So they can yell at Crowder if they want to. Sorry, you want to be in somewhere. That's a little more. You like that? Yes, of course, that is, that is one of my favorite. So so, that's the thing is, when we're talking about these protests, I again I'm fine. I have stopped with. I have stopped and talked to people running protests before, just to kind of. There've been some that I didn't know what they were. It's like, hey, dude, what are you protesting? Oh, we're striking against the AT&T because they're not giving us a fair wage. I'm like, oh, okay, cool, leave, I've had ones. I had a guy.
Speaker 1:Now, this wasn't a protest, but I went to a BYU-TCU game Texas Christian University, up in Dallas. It was a football game, and this kid I was probably gosh. When were we there? That would have been 05, somewhere between 05 and 08, because that's when I was in station at that part of Texas. So we went up to the game and this guy had a sign that said um, joseph Smith is still a liar something like that, very inflammatory towards my religion.
Speaker 1:And I walked up to him and his friends and I took out my military ID card. I said hey, guys, I just want to let you know I'm in the military and I'm showing you this because I will absolutely defend your right to have that sign that said you, as his friends, should not let him make such an asshole of himself, because this makes him look like an absolute bigot towards me and my religion. You have the right to do it, but you shouldn't. That's all I said, and I walked away. You know I shared what I thought. I now, now you. We are now, though, in a we're now in an environment that it would now be hey, turn on your phone, watch this. And I walked over to that guy and said hey, that sign that's a total load of crap you shouldn't have and rip it away from it. We're getting, and now we're going to try to get, we're going to try to make that to go viral instead of having no, no.
Speaker 1:Again you could argue and say well, you know, chaplain, you didn't need to go over and even say that in the first place. It's like you're right. But you know, at the same time I'm you didn't need to go over and even say that in the first place. It's like you're right. But you know, at the same time I'm feeling like I need to go defend my faith and say that. You know, a little plug here this Friday we teased this a couple weeks ago I'm going to be debating Andrew Wilson. You may know Andrew Wilson from the Whatever podcast. He's the guy who is kind of always off and he's got the cigarette and he's always being really snarky to the girls. Oh, you're just Annie. Oh wait, you think you're a 10. Ah, you know that guy, so it's pretty funny. His podcast is Crucible. I'm going to be debating him and here's this Friday. I think that's going to pop up yeah, it just popped up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so we'll go show. So there it goes. So this Friday and I think I'm going to be it's going to be moderated by a woman named Sarah the Raging Tomato. That's her website, and we are going to broadcast it here at the same time.
Speaker 2:So if you, want to watch that? Yes, we're going to simulcast it.
Speaker 1:Simulcast it. Yeah, so this is the type of thing I'm talking about. Like, again, you have the right to say what you want to say. Now, there are limits in terms of you can't make threats, you can't yell a movie in a crowded firehouse, things like that. There you go. That's an old Steve Martin joke. That joke's from the 70s, that's how old that joke is. Absolutely stolen from Steve Martin.
Speaker 1:But but you know, like you and I have talked about this, should I have the right to say the N word? Yes, now, now, should I expect certain consequences if I use the N word in certain contexts? Yes, as well, you and I have, you and I a couple of years ago, well, you and I have, you and I. A couple of years ago, we were talking, I told you a story about when I was eight years old and using the N-word, and I said hey, you know, if I tell this story, what do you think? And you said you know what? I'm going to give you a pass too, because it adds, it makes the story much more visceral. Yeah, and so in that situation, I used the N-wordword only because kj, as a representative of all black people in this country, as we've talked about previously said that I should be able to right, but then you see these videos like.
Speaker 1:One of my favorite videos is that, uh, the video where the white guy keeps saying to the you know, hey, you and, and, and, and and. It's in the convenience store and the guy hits him with the. What is it the crazy? The iced tea, the iced tea.
Speaker 1:Boom and I sit there and I go okay, by law the black guy probably should be arrested for assault, but by common sense that white dude had it coming. That's, yeah, so Twisted.
Speaker 2:Tea. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:I'm glad Thad's on tonight because we keep it in roadblocks and Thad's, like I got you, he's working for Deuce. I got to throw him a little Moscow and the Hudson. Two cents. Tell you what Thad we are going to give you every penny we earn from today's broadcast. You can look for about two cents coming to your Venmo. But let's see, what about the contest of singing hip hop? I'll bring it back up.
Speaker 1:Oh argument Military I had a group of soldiers who was they were coming into for a whole nother conversation and we were, we were talking and because I'm a chaplain and a lot of the people I dealt with were in trouble because of sharp and EO. Sharp is sexual harassment, rape prevention, eo is equal opportunity, right. And so I was saying, look, if you guys need to go report somebody for Sharpen EO, you should absolutely do it, but let's make sure that you're not weaponizing these things, okay, because if you get hit with an investigation in AIT, I know kids that were there for over a year for an investigation on things that were stupid, right. And I said, for example, and this is right to the point, let's say I call KJ, the N-word Is that an EO complaint. Raise your hand if. And everybody's hands went up, right, kj is an NCO in the front row, you know. And I said okay. So what about if I'm in my barracks room and you're walking by and you hear me say the N-word is that an EO complaint? And they kind of about half the hands kind of went up and yeah, I said okay.
Speaker 1:So let's say, now you come into my room and I'm at my desk and I have my headphones on and I'm just singing along with Jay-Z. Is that an EO complaint? And everybody kind of went, oh no, probably not. I said okay, and then this is what got me in trouble. This is what got. At least part of the complaint was I said, but let's be real, I would probably be listening to Eminem. So somebody actually twisted that. Somebody actually twisted that and went. The NCO actually went and complained to my command that I had said this, which the whole, the whole thing I was telling these guys was keep it at the lowest level, like if you had a problem with what I said, come and talk to me. If you have a problem with another soldier, go and talk to them.
Speaker 1:So when you're talking about these things, that I am old enough that the first rappers that I got into were NWA, because my best friend in the late eighties, uh, his dad, had brought him up from Compton. His dad, my buddy Eric, uh wanted, his dad, douglas, wanted to get them out of LA with all the, all the stuff that was going on in big, you know, a lot of the gangs and the drugs. So he brought them up to Salt Lake. He was in my school. We became very, very good friends and I had the car and he didn't, so we'd drive around and he would pop in NWA.
Speaker 1:I can sing. I'm trying to remember what it was from. America's Most Wanted, ice Cube's. America's Most Wanted, the nursery rhyme, the ghetto nursery rhyme. Boys and girls, they all love me. Come sit on the lap of Icy and let me tell you a story too, about a punk nigga named Jack. Wasn't that nimble, wasn't that Jack? Anyway, I think I might have actually missed some which were I was listening to NWA. I'm glad, yeah, so that was who I used to listen. I'm not a big fan of rap now. I do like some Eminem here and there. But I tell you what. The rappers I like are the ones that I can understand what they're saying. So most of the rappers if I can't understand what they're saying, like Snoop, hey, it's real easy to listen to Snoop because you hear exactly what he's saying. He's very mellow. But again back to the N-word. Don't use the N-word, boys and girls, if you don't want to get punched in the mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, yeah, we can't sing NWA on the show.
Speaker 1:Well, not certain parts of it at least.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I mean, it's all context matters, right, as America continues to intertwine and our cultures continue to be you know, one of many right Diversified. It's a melting pot for a reason, right? Yeah, those words don't hold the weight in certain contexts, like you still have some traditionalists who like to throw that n-word around as an offensive in an offensive manner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is, yeah, yeah hard are yeah hard are people talk to you, talk to most. You talk to most gen alphas right now it it's so ingrained in music and hip hop it's like, oh you know, and this and that, and I'm like bro, I'm like bro, I'm like come here, oh, the middle school I was in.
Speaker 1:So for the last week I finally got approval to get into the school as part of the retirement plan. I was in a middle school. They ended up putting me just as a hall monitor. The retirement plan. I was in a middle school. At home, they ended up putting me just as a hall monitor. Oh my gosh, the language of these. And I was in the sixth grade. The eighth graders weren't too bad.
Speaker 2:The sixth graders were the ones who were sweat some of the stuff they were saying now and and that back me up as a writer the the beauty, the reason why I got into writing is because I love language and the way language transforms right when you hear these gen a's use that word.
Speaker 2:They use it in it as a term of brotherhood, like for them it's like oh, you know my, my soul is so my soul. So they never they. It never clicked in their mind that this was a negative connotation. You know what I'm saying White, black, blue, purple. If you're in Gen A, you know what I'm saying. And I grow up oh, it's all man, you know that's my, you know that's my, and you'd be like bro, hey, come on, young man, I hear what you're saying and I know what you're saying, but let me, let me talk to you. You know what I'm saying, but that word has evolved. But what you're going to have is you're going to have, and that's why. That's why racism is so fickle. Right, because the English language is evolving to a point to where that word doesn't mean what you think it is Right. So, people in our generation, when we hear that N-word, it is still inherently offensive.
Speaker 2:It's hard R almost all the time yeah, the reaction is hard R, but for Gen Alpha it's like yo bro, that's my brother.
Speaker 1:That's my boy.
Speaker 2:That's my partner, that's my Him and I are the same, we both n-words. You'd be like you should probably go out and let your grand, let him, teach you a little something. You know what I'm saying. But that's why I love the beauty of the language. And I think, in a generation or two, that word as we continue to come, and that's that's. That's where we have that. That's where we have that, that set of idealists who want to hold on to those traditional values. Right, they want to be able to use. You know what I'm saying. They want to be able to say, okay, well, that's a. You know that's N-word, you know it. I give you. I give you another example right, when, the last time have you ever heard somebody call a white person honky or something like that?
Speaker 2:Right, it, it, it, culturally, it died off, you know what I'm saying and eventually the N word will do the same With Gen.
Speaker 1:A. When Gen A starts having kids, they're going to be.
Speaker 2:So here's my question, Liberty.
Speaker 1:Why would you want to say it? Well, he's just saying that he's just singing a song.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if he was singing a song and in context, then you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:KJ. Let me Prime example if you were in a church, right, if you were in a church, we all curse. Oh yeah, if you were in a church, right.
Speaker 1:I think I know where we're going to go.
Speaker 2:Do you think the parishioners in that church will be okay with me getting on the mic? I want to give glory to MNF and God, and you know that SOP. Yeah yeah, jesus, you know what I'm saying. Context matters, jesus is the effing best. You get what I'm saying. So, yes, yeah, some things. You can say what you want to say but you got to understand.
Speaker 1:Right, but I think that in this situation that Libby is pointing out, I think that in this situation that Liberty is pointing out, it's kind of like a couple of years ago there was a very similar thing, where one of the black rappers pulled up a kid out of the audience and was having them sing along and then, when the kids sang the words along, the whole crowd started booing him and the rapper turned on him like how dare you? It was like you pulled this white kid out of the crowd to start singing along with you.
Speaker 1:What do you expect, Again, I mean yeah, I mean again I get pulled up to sing with Ice Cube. I'm self-censoring regardless.
Speaker 2:You have to have that. You have to have that, but like you.
Speaker 1:But what you just said, though, jene, that's very different, though Right, so you have. So there are some. I remember the story back in the day when Marion Barry was the was the mayor of of Washington the comeback kid himself but one of his aides got fired because they were talking about the budget, right, and he said you know, the governor is very niggardly when it comes to the budget and he's very aware the dude had to resign. The word niggardly means to be miserly or carefully, to deal carefully with money niggardly. It has nothing to do with the n-word of derogatory fame, and that's where, like now, I don't think you would necessarily get that today, but at the same time, you know, like Liberty points out, you have a kid that could potentially lose a scholarship for saying the N-word.
Speaker 2:But if he's singing? Was that word necessary in that press conference? Was the word niggerly necessary in that press?
Speaker 1:conference. But what did you just say?
Speaker 2:you just said the words matter, right, he's using the right word right word, wrong audience yeah, I guess, but I mean, if you're if you're in a corporate environment right, if you're in a corporate environment, right and you go in there liberty's arguing, liberty's arguing.
Speaker 1:Drop of, uh, drop of blood, that's, that's also, that's civil war level of arguments it's one of those things, right, you know, I mean I, I appreciate that liberty I I I appreciate what you're, what you wrote there yeah, I mean, it truly is right word, wrong audience right, yeah you, you, if, if I am on the campus of an hbcu, you know, I'm saying, and I am a caucasian guy, yeah no matter how much I am ingrained into the society or the system.
Speaker 2:I have to be aware of my surroundings and understand that not everybody is accepting, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but this guy was talking in a budget meeting to reporters who thought I'm going to use the proper word here when it comes to governmental funds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right word, wrong audience.
Speaker 1:Well, that means there's no ever right audience for that word, then Is that the argument?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean there's. Well, I mean it's up to you, it really is, it's, it's. You have to be aware that. You have to be aware that I can use the exact right word, right for sure.
Speaker 1:So it can just say, right, oh, go with, it, go with it.
Speaker 2:Oh, if a female exchanges money for for sex, right, if a few. If, if a man exchanges money with a female for sex, right. We have so many words that we can use for that, right? Yes, in context, we're not allowed to use those words in certain spaces, right?
Speaker 1:Such as Like what you can't use prostitute, what in church it's in the Bible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course it's in the Bible, but that doesn't mean that doesn't mean you could be up there talking about yeah. So I was with a prostitute last night and we had a great time.
Speaker 1:Oh, so if you're in church, so if you're in church and you say I was with the lady of the night. That's going to go over better. It's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:A lady of the night that's going to go over better. What I'm saying is the right word, wrong audience.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's ever the right time to be announcing that you were with a prostitute in church.
Speaker 2:I don't know where you. It's the right word, wrong audience.
Speaker 1:There's nothing wrong with it, but it's never the right audience to be saying that.
Speaker 2:Well, again, when is the right time to use the word in with a hard R? When is the right?
Speaker 1:time I do have a question for this, then Okay, this is a very legitimate question that I would like answered. Yeah, you're in a high school history class.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, that's a great question.
Speaker 1:Great question, okay, and you are quoting Malcolm X. Do you, as a white school teacher, do you quote Malcolm X? Do you censor yourself or do you have one of the black students say it?
Speaker 2:Great question.
Speaker 1:Great question Because I'm not saying it, I'm not as a history teacher. My point is to say malcolm x or frederick douglas or, I don't think, martin luther king. I'm pretty sure he avoided. I think he really did not like, at least not in public at least not in public oh yeah, yeah, I guess it's some of the taste some of the taste.
Speaker 2:but he was yeah, yeah in. I guess in some of the tapes there's some FBI tapes where the Reverend let loose yeah.
Speaker 1:In public. He was also very loyal to his wife. But yeah, so that, even going back to the book, banning stuff of To Kill a Mockingbird or Huck Finn, Like one of the things about Huck Finn that drives me bonkers about Huck Finn and the N-word, is that one of the things that Mark Twain does in Huck Finn is that I guess you could do that, but then you still have.
Speaker 2:Even that is still wrong, because now you're violating district policy.
Speaker 1:Now I'm with Liberty, that is absolutely absurd, I agree. So. So one of the one of the one of the most important parts of the book of Huckleberry Finn, at the beginning of the journey, continually refers to Jim as N-word Jim, n-word, n-word. There you go, thank you, n-word Jim. I'm still going to say it like that, right.
Speaker 2:By the end of the book. What is he calling him? He called him my friend.
Speaker 1:He called him Jim, just started calling him Jim. It was just Jim, this is jim. That was the new, that's, that's like the central theme of the book of this young, of this young man. Yes, but to say, now we're going, you can't even read this book in school, because it has this magic word in it that kids can't handle reading it. But what did you just say, kj? You walk down any school and you see two young black men together, in military school, whatever, and they have no problem calling themselves.
Speaker 2:The cool thing about it is yeah, yeah, the cool things about it is I haven't even. I've seen I've seen a group of caucasian men calling each other the n-word and I'm just sitting back like all right. This is bizarre work that's, that's. That's a little bridge too far but then again, these are 19 year old you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, I feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm like hey, bro, y'all good. Oh yeah, we straight Don't trip man. We don't mean it like that. It's different. Hold tight. Okay, let me teach you the nuance of that. You know what I'm saying, I get what you're saying and I'm going to let you know. I hear you, but everybody might not be as welcoming and accepting of that.
Speaker 1:Especially Well. Ok, so let me ask you this, kj, then, about that specific information or situation, Was your advice? Guys, it's probably not OK for you guys to be using that word because you're white in general, for you guys to be using that word because you're white in general. B, you should probably only use that when you're in private between yourselves and you know it's OK. What's your advice to those two?
Speaker 2:Because my advice and your advice I don't know if it's the same yeah, no. So my advice was like, my advice was be aware of your surroundings. You know, if you, if you're comfortable using that word, understand not everyone is going to be accepting of you using that word. That's it. I'm just giving you awareness, like, yeah, I, the word itself holds no weight for me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But again, it holds but it holds weight for me If I say exactly what I'm saying is personal.
Speaker 2:The personal views vary, yeah, person to person. The personal views vary, yeah, person to person. Right Another black person could come down the street. Could have came down that street, heard them, young white men, saying it, and it could have been a whole different. You know a whole different. Yeah, you know what I'm saying and there's there's no right or wrong to it, because that's just that's. That that's the cause and the effect of that word being in our vernacular, that word being in our vernacular.
Speaker 1:And that's the funny thing is to me, because those two young men I would have said dude, even when you two are in private, you need to come up with a better word than that. It's just because because you start falling in that habit and it just yeah, it comes out and it's yeah, it's, it's just it's. There's certain words that are just do you remember the South Park episode where they set the record for curse words?
Speaker 2:It was the word shit, it was shit, oh shit, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And the joke was, by the end it was a curse word, a curse meaning to put a magic curse or it would cause a curse of evil. And so actually you know, it released Satan and it released the demons because it was a curse word. And so there are certain words that are just not generally acceptable and of course it depends on where you are. Like the C word in America. You don't call a woman a C word in America, but in England that's kind of like just a common. Yeah, it's on where you are. Like the C word in America you don't call a woman a C word in America, but in England that's kind of like just a common, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. So you're talking about curse words, right? You don't curse everywhere, right? Right, for sure, even though it's generalistic, you don't curse everywhere. There's just some places where you know I can't use these words. Right. To me, the N-word is no different than a curse word. You just don't use it every way, right? Oh?
Speaker 1:you took it down. Hold on, oh, I took it down. Hey. So, liberty, you make a great point. I saw a comedian talk about this and he said I find it really interesting that this was a couple years ago ago there was a debate about the song baby, it's cold outside, which is a christmas song, and if you know that song, hey I really can't song.
Speaker 1:You know it's, it's kind of a christmasy song. Hey, come on, stay baby. Hey, why don't we? You know, come on, let's, we're comfortable by the fire? You don't really. It's cold outside and it got turned into, you know, the. The feminist movement said this is a rape song right meanwhile. And then he went from that and said here's the lyrics to the number one song in America right now, by whoever say the stallion, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Megan the stallion and he started reading the lyrics to WAP and it was like the disconnect between this lighthearted hey, you know what, I think you're sweet, I think we should stay together. I kind of dig you girl. It's hey, any excuse to make you have you stay a little bit longer. I'd really appreciate it Because, hey, I think you're cute and I think we have something going and that's somehow a rape culture where wet ass P word. See, I don't even know Again context, but my kids might watch this so I try not to swear too much. You know, dirty Like my kids they run around saying oh the dog farted. I'm like no, they tooted. Let's not be crude or fluffy For the bluey crowd fluffy.
Speaker 2:I don't curse in front of my mother. I'm a 40-something-year-old man and I refuse to do it because it's context.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever sworn in front of my mom.
Speaker 2:I cannot bring myself to curse in front of my mother.
Speaker 1:I can tell you, the first time I ever swore at my dad, though, because I bolted as soon as I did it, I dropped the F-bomb and I was out the door, right, I was at the bottom of, oh, I was at the bottom of the stairs when I said it, and I said it and I I immediately vamoosed. I was gone for two hours before I was out, for two hours before I, before I deigned, and I tell you, my dad, like a trooper, didn't say anything about it, basically said you're not going to do that again, are you? And that was it. I was like nope, I don't think I ever swore at my dad again.
Speaker 2:Liberty, my thing is music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they sing along with it, yeah.
Speaker 2:But again, we can't pretend like this is new, this is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hell man, you know we will. I know I was coming up in the south in the 90s to live. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1:me, oh my gosh, oh, so I will make a. I brought this up.
Speaker 2:Who am I to sit back and say now, as a 40 year old man, all those lyrics, those young men? And it's the same thing with jazz. When jazz kind of took over in the early, early night, early 20th century, everybody was like, oh, it's devil's music, it's making women want to tolerate this, that and the other. You get what I'm saying. Like, this is nothing new. This is society. Society is what it is. We've always been raunchy. It's just it's never been, it's never been as prevalent or in our face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, and that's, and that was the point I was. I was just about to make Um there, there, there was a Madonna.
Speaker 2:I could play some blue songs for you from the 1920s that were. You know, if not, if not as as raunchy as WAP it was, it's pretty damn close. I mean, you had Madonna, madonna. Was she almost got hung at the stake?
Speaker 1:That's who I was just about to say. Um, I, I was listening to and I do not like Madonna. I'll tell you right now, I'm not a fan of Madonna at all and I I got stuck on somehow. I was, um, flipping the channels and and, and I don't, I think it's where I was. It was the only station that came in and I started listening to the lyrics and it might've been borderline, I think, but whatever song it was, I started listening to it and I was like this whole song is about having sex. It had never dawned on me. I didn't, because I don't really listen, but the whole every give me all of your. You know, whatever the song was, and I was just listening to it going, how did I, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:And then my hairdresser. She was talking about like Harper County PTA. Now, I'm not a country guy, I barely know the song, but I guess because she was telling me the song is about she's there at the PTA meeting and they're dressing her down for her, how she's not a good parent or something, but then she's repeating back to them that their, their husbands, are out cheating on them on the weekend. So she's throwing the shade right back. So, yeah. So some of the songs and all that stuff, yeah, I get it, but at the same time, again I think, there is unfortunately a loosening of the language, that words pretty much go and you don't.
Speaker 1:I've made this argument a few times. It was the wrong messenger. Now it was the wrong messenger, but it was the right message. And this it was. Bill Cosby in the late nineties basically said look, as the black community, we need to have our kids pulling their pants up, being respectful and speaking proper English. And he just got killed by the black community right for saying that. And now you look at, and it doesn't matter if it's the black community or the white community or whatever, we have let pretty much all of our standards go In lots oh, you don't think so.
Speaker 2:We have let pretty much all of our standards go in lots? Oh, you don't think so? Well, I'll give you a point. It's more. There's a line of liberation and then there is a line of and I hate to use that word, but it is a line of you know that macho-ism, right, you think back in the 60s, marilyn Monroe wasn't beloved because she was modest. Marilyn Monroe was not loved because she was a conservative prostitution. If people were, if people were staunch supporters of modesty, prostitution would have died a long time ago. People don't go to strip clubs because women are modest, right? True, there is a there is a?
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I don't. I don't go to strip clubs, so I'll take your word for it.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying is there is a level of there. People love sex, and there's nothing wrong with that, right?
Speaker 1:So, katie, I'm not but I'm not only talking. I'm talking more like what Liberty is putting here. It's not just about the moral issue. The English language has degraded Math.
Speaker 1:We went, I saw something that was really interesting. It was talking about math, how, over the last century, we went from it was a math program, a math problem, and it said it was like a square. And then it had a couple of things cut out of it and it said you know, define the area in this. And then it was, then it was a show what the area of this and this is. And then it was what's this rectangle? And then so basically it was a degradation of actually having to critically think what this math problem was, to figure out the area of the space all the way down to it's now A, b, c or D.
Speaker 1:You know, you don't even have to, you just have a, you can guess. And they've dumbed it down so much that if you don't get this right, you're really I mean, functionally retarded. Well, heck, even mean functionally retarded, um, well, heck, even that functionally retarded, you can't, you're not even supposed to say retarded anymore, even though that's the correct word, like to me, that is. That is the correct word, right? Yeah, well, it can be the right well, it's if you're calling.
Speaker 1:if you're called, calling it's not. But that's again. Functionally retarded means you are not able to function at an appropriate level within a given within the society. Right, and that's very different than me saying, oh, you're just a giant retard. You and I grew up when it was like, oh, dude, just stop being gay, stop being so gay, or that's okay, it didn't have anything to do with homosexuality. Oh man, stop being a fag. Oh, you're just just stop being a gay fag.
Speaker 2:It's like, dude, that had nothing to do with homosexuality in the 60s, well, in the 20s, say it, tell somebody you were going to give them some straight dick was to say I'm giving you straight, talk, going to give him some straight dick was to say I'm giving you straight talk, Right?
Speaker 1:I haven't heard that one. That's a new one for me.
Speaker 2:I actually learned it in a Superman comic.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, but the point I'm making is you think anybody named Richard right now is getting nicknamed dick.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. But again, that's what I'm saying. It evolves Liberty. To your point about standard English we never required standard English.
Speaker 1:If that was the case, we'd be talking the Queen's English. We've always had a. We've always had Me think you are Me think you are correct. We should return to the proper way.
Speaker 2:A different dialect of English and that that doesn't. Yeah, you know, grammar rules are what they are. It's society, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1:And we're going to talk about this in some time. Coming up, there's one of our hopefully our guests, if our guests ever start showing up. We've had like I think we've had like five scheduled. We're batting 400 right now, which is great for baseball, not so much for podcasts, but she wants to talk and and, uh, she's a school teacher and and the book is called she wants to really discuss anti-intellectual in america. And I actually read the book. I thought it was, I thought it was interesting because they're so she. The book places, uh, the degradation of education in america in a lot of different places and intellectualism not just in one place.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, so there's a good yeah.
Speaker 1:If, like I said, if she shows up, so yeah there. Well, liberty, I mean right now. I asked a kid what does Finna mean? Now, I know, I know in context, I'm finna go to and I was like where does that come from? Like I'm I'm fixing to, I'm finna, I'm going to, I guess it's I'm fixing to I, and it turned into that's you know, I'm going to, I'm finna, go get some food yeah, it just kept getting.
Speaker 2:I mean, but yeah, yeah, and look back over the evolution of language, right. So you had the northern states, who were always considered the English standard, and you had the southern half of the country that was considered, in essence, country bumping, right? So that's where you had that country slang, that vernacular, and it just all blended together. No, you're not. You're not. You're not because the standard of English has always been what society allows. You know, for a very long time they even tried to coin the phrase ebonics for a while, right, and that was the big thing. Oh, ebonics, ebonics, ebonics, ebonics, ebonics. Until it became culturally relevant. And then everybody was like, okay, well, cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is what I saw. This is what I saw in the junior high school. That was the prompt at end of the year up on a poster board. Let me put it back up. You got it. I'm going to put it back up first. Okay, and dude, you keep popping the next one up. No, no, yeah, go ahead, I'm put it back up. You got it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to put it back up first. Okay, and dude, you keep popping the next one up. No, no, yeah, go ahead. I'm putting it back up, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Mr Johnson, be like. This was in the eighth grade hallway and I said to one of the other teachers I was like, we're in a school, is this like? Is this really what should be? Is this really what should be? And the argument was well, you got to meet them where they are. So, liberty, I'm with you.
Speaker 1:I think that when you're in the school environment, we should be making corrections to language. However, we're also in an environment where if a child, especially in socioeconomic challenged areas, were to say something like, let's say it made a correction, okay, there's I, I got, uh, I got lots of, I've got many dirt. I've got many dirt in my hand. And somebody go dude, that's not how you say it. You say lots. If you can't count, it, it's lots, and if it's you can count, it's many. You got many jelly beans.
Speaker 1:You know how hard that kid would get teased for making the proper correction. You know, weird Al did that entire song about grammatical errors and it was a big hit because people of our generation say we understand some of those. But you have people who don't know the difference between there, there and there. They, they literally do not have the right conjunctions, they don't know the right words. They don't know verbs, adverbs, and that's where I'm saying the degradation of of the country and of the education system. I think if something's gonna really end America, it's probably that, because idiocracy is the ultimate end game for us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, education overall. But but I want to Liberty's point. Yeah, we sure we can, but right, we don't, we don't hold as an employer. As an employer, you can say, oh well, yeah well, someone's not speaking proper English. You know this, that and the other Right, so would you? Would you take a Harvard graduate from Boston who uses the word wicked? Would you look at them different If they say, oh, I got a wicked, you know a wicked bone, or whatever? Oh, I had a wicked weekend, right? So those dialects, when we do those things like that, that tends to lean heavier toward disenfranchised minorities, right, I remember in the early 90s. In the early 90s they had this thing out West called Valley slang, right, valley girls.
Speaker 1:Valley girls. Oh yeah, gag me with a spoon. There was a whole song on it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely horrible.
Speaker 1:Frank Zappa.
Speaker 2:Right, but that that was not, that was not considered improper, nor was that considered, you know, a lack of ignorance. That was just a cultural deviant from what standard English is. So what I'm saying is so. What I'm saying is, when we do things like that, when we do things like that, we got to be cognizant of where that all coming from. We got to be cognizant of where, where's that coming from? Right? So yeah, and then, even if you, even in your conversations, liberty daily, you don't speak or at least I will tell you, 99.98 of the american population does not speak anywhere close to a proficient level of proper english in their day-to-day conversations, there is probably, I guess, it depends.
Speaker 1:I guess it depends on what, Like you and I, though, like during our conversation. What percentage would you say during an average podcast? What level of English proficiency do we use, Because I'd like to think we're pretty high.
Speaker 2:Probably anywhere. I'd say 60, 70 percent maybe.
Speaker 1:So what you're saying is I'm at 100 percent and you're at 30 percent. You're just absolutely killing the average. That's what I'm hearing, probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably that's my southern twang man. I will never apologize. Never apologize for my southern twang.
Speaker 1:No, but I mean like, do I wish? Do I do? I wish we all sounded like Winchester on MASH? Yes, the guy had an awesome accent and his accent was fake. That's not what the guy really sounded like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think that, liberty, I get your point and tell me if I'm wrong, but I think liberty, I think what liberty is saying is if we don't correct kids in real world, like for a job interview, it hurts them because they are unable to then speak in a way that makes them sound intelligent and it makes them sound like they are going to be able to communicate well and proficiently. But unfortunately, it might be the exact opposite. It might be to the point where, 20 years from now, we're speaking proper English and a 20-year-old is going what are you even saying? Like, I don't get what you're saying. And my where I'm coming from is that as a society, we're degrading in almost every way we can imagine outside a roof, because we all have a car, because we all have a car, we all have a tv, we all have air conditioning, we all have an ipad, we all have a cell phone. So our ease of life is increasing where our ability to cognitively communicate and think and critically use our brains in ways that will better us as a society are going down, in part because of that technology as well. What's the old joke? We've all seen that meme where our teacher said we had to learn math because we're not always going to walk around with a calculator in our pocket. Well, she's right. We don't walk around with a calculator in our pocket, we walk around with a freaking computer in our pocket, and that is something that, unfortunately, could have some very long-term effects, or it could be, depending on how the programming goes. It could be the greatest thing in the history of human advancement, to the degree that we all basically become the best level of fat WALL-E people without destroying the planet. And everything is super easy and AI is able to figure out. Cancer is able to be destroyed by this and I'm able using AI, I'm able to create a genetic, a shot that you can take that will genetically make you not go blind from glaucoma. It will eradicate every. It'll get rid of the common cold. It will make it where, essentially, food production is all done by robots and you can live. And instead of dystopian, it's going to be a utopian, because dystopian cells, blade Runner, right, everybody. Oh, blade Runner's great, even some of the.
Speaker 1:What was the one where Matt Damon Elysium? I think it was where they were on the earth and it was kind of falling apart. But then up in space there was the ring and Jodie Foster was the governor and it was utopian.
Speaker 1:Who's to say that where we're at now we don't end up in a utopian society in 100 years? I think that's definitely possible, that not just that Elysium becomes the norm for everybody. I personally think that that is the more likely outcome, think that that is the more likely outcome. I don't think 1984 is the more likely outcome. I think that Brave New World is the more likely outcome, where anybody who wants to be plugged in and take the happy drugs and sit in front of the screen and just be taken care of they can do that.
Speaker 1:And those who don't, those who want to live off the grid and those who want to go out and live on the reservation and be left alone and not in the cities.
Speaker 1:And I know that you know that's not the real whole thing of Brave New World, but I think that's ultimately where we will be in 100 years those who want to participate in the society in a let the machines take care of me, and I want to kick back and I want to be entertained and I want to just live my life however I want, on my floating chair and I'm happy being out in the sun. There are going to be those, and there are going to be those people who are Marines and go oh, I like to. The more it sucks, the more I like it. So I'm going to go live off the grid and I'm going to live in a cabin and dig my own poop hole and collect water every day, and that's how I'm going to live. And you know what? If that's the case, I think you're going to have a lot of happy people on both sides.
Speaker 2:Yep, I am in more of the belief that idiocracy is our future, Unless we culturally change something like there needs to be a revolution back toward intelligence and rewarding the best of us. Right now we reward the worst of us and that's kind of what's sparking the downward trend of society.
Speaker 1:But do you think AI can pull us out of idiocracy?
Speaker 2:It could.
Speaker 1:That's my thought.
Speaker 2:The potential is there for us to become an enlightened species. However, just like with the first computer, the first thing somebody looked up was porn. You know what I'm saying? Human nature is what it is. Is that true? Yeah, all right, human nature is what it is.
Speaker 1:I'm going to post the link one more time next Friday. There's the link Again. We're going to double tap the broadcast next Friday, 9.15. I will be taking on Andrew from the Crucible. Oh, I didn't tell you what the prompt is. Was Joseph Smith a false prophet being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? I obviously don't think he was a false prophet, and what's really funny about this was originally it was supposed to be him against another guy, and then that other guy wasn't even Mormon, he's not even LDS. So they reached out to me and they said, okay, good news, you're up. I was like, yeah, I'll take it, because I just thought it was funny. You're going to have somebody who's not even LDS debating this. Okay, sure, why don't I debate how hard it is to be black in America?
Speaker 2:You got it Brilliant. You read books, you read books, so you know.
Speaker 1:Hey man, I've done learned.
Speaker 2:This has been great. We will see you guys.
Speaker 1:Two and a half hours, dude, this is old school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were rocking today. Thank you guys for joining in Liberty man. We sure appreciate you. We will see you guys next week. Hopefully we'll keep trying to get guests, man. Eventually one of them will show up. Yeah, you too, thad. Thank you Happy Father's Day. Liberty Thad you guys. To the guys out there in the universe, today's our day. Enjoy the socks and the presents you're going to get tonight.
Speaker 1:The one day we matter See you guys next week.
Speaker 2:Bye everyone, I got to take the banner down. Take the banner down and end stream.
Speaker 1:What do you want to do tonight?
Speaker 2:The same thing we do every night Pinky, Try to take over the world. All right Yo, let's get into it. Try to take over the world All right Yo, let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Try to take over the world Yep Preaching Try to take over the world.
Speaker 2:And great chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neill, take over the world, all right.
