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2.2 What the Manosphere Gets Wrong About Worth | Bhagavata Podcast with Shaunaka Rishi Das

• The Bhagavata Podcast • Season 2 • Episode 2

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A teenager thinks his father is a loser because he doesn't drive a Lamborghini. The Bhagavatam asks: when you can use your arm as a pillow, what is the necessity of a pillow at all? These two visions of the good life are further apart than they look — and closer together than you'd expect.

Canto 2, Chapter 2 continues Shukadeva Goswami's answer to Pariksit's question: what should a person do who is about to die? Shaunaka Rishi Das, director of the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, joins host Bhrigupada Dasa (Dr. Mans Broo) to read a chapter that turns out to be less about death and more about how to see the world clearly. Shukadeva describes the cosmic form, yogic meditation, and the soul's progression through higher planets — then sets all of it aside at the end of the chapter. The reason he goes through it at all is the same reason any good teacher meets a student where they are: you cannot hand someone a destination without first acknowledging the roads they already know.

The conversation moves across a lot of ground. Shaunaka reads the Bhagavatam's renunciation verses alongside the Gospel of Matthew and finds them saying the same thing. He recalls a dinner at a Jesuit house where the priest asked, point-blank: do you believe all that? And 14 heads turned to look at him. He traces the commentarial tradition from Sridharaswami through Sanatana Goswami to Prabhupada, and what it means that every translator leaves their own impression on the text. And he describes the experience of waking up to God's presence everywhere as something that has to happen in stages — because waking a sleepwalker too fast gives them a shock.

The Bhagavata Podcast is produced in association with the Gaudiya Studies Research Programme at the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies. Each episode brings together scholar-practitioners, trained in both Indology and lived Vaishnava devotion, to read this text closely and seriously.

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The Bhagavata Podcast is produced by the Gaudiya Studies Research Programme at the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies. Each episode brings together scholar-practitioners, trained in both Indology and lived Vaishnava devotion, to read this text closely and seriously.