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In this special Women’s History Month episode of Steppin W/ Unc, Unc Dove sits down with attorney Law Doll, founder of LKH Legal, for a powerful conversation on law, ownership, and knowing your rights.


From her journey through law school to building her own firm, Law Doll breaks down what it really takes to succeed in the legal field as a woman. She also shares important legal knowledge everyone should know — including common mistakes people make, what to say (and not say) in certain situations, and how to better protect yourself.


This episode is about empowerment, education, and stepping into your purpose — whether it’s in law, business, or life.


🎙️ Real conversations. Real growth.

Presented by Big Steppa Podcast


SPEAKER_00

What up, what up, what up? It's your boy Onk Dub Steppin' Onk Podcast. We're back here with another one. First and foremost, I want to do another shout out to all the ladies. Happy Women's History Month. It's almost over. Just a few days left. It's my final guest for the month. Celebrating the history of women. All that y'all do. All that y'all stand for. So on and so forth. Without further ado, I'm going to let our guests invite themselves. And we're going to get right to it. What up? Hi.

SPEAKER_04

I'm Levonda. Hello, everyone. I don't know what I'm supposed to be saying. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Nah. However you want to uh them to uh if they were to see you out. You know what I'm saying? Hey, aren't you that lawyer that was on Dub's podcast? How you know what I'm saying? Don't you want to, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Um I I I think I'm pretty personable, so it'll still be the same. Hi, I'm Lavonda. Nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_00

Y'all can't call her what I call her.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, no, no, no. Only certain people can call me.

SPEAKER_05

But yes, um, hello everyone. I am LaVonda Harris. Um, I am an attorney and I am the owner and founder of LKH Legal. Um, yeah, fun things. Um so yes, I am just I'm honored to be here um and to be talking to my great friend. And um I'm honored that he wanted to have me as a part of the guest um for this month for women's history. Um shout out to us, um, you know, doing big things, and this is uh this is this is great. I'm honored.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely. I appreciate you coming through. I knew you wasn't gonna say no, you know what I'm saying? You wasn't gonna hit me with the shy card or nothing like that. Because you were on the very first season of my podcast, which was eons ago, and that was in person and did excellent. So I was like, yeah, she still got it. I'm sure she only got better, and she got even more to talk about this time. So I said, let me hit my girl up, my longtime friend. We're talking like almost two. 15 plus right.

SPEAKER_03

I'm about to say 15 plus.

SPEAKER_00

We started high school, you know, 20, 2007, and it's now 2026. So next year will be a dub, which is kind of crazy because we not that old. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04

We ain't old.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_05

But that's a long time to know somebody, so yeah, and to be like still be friends, you know, like that's that's the that's what makes the difference. And those are the type of friendships that you really just want to hold on to, um, especially when it's like healthy and just positive, and this is crazy. Like almost.

SPEAKER_00

It's not easy to, you know, always keep friendships, you know what I'm saying? Not keep them, but like, you know, maintain them to a sense where you don't want people to build, feel like you don't like them no more, or something, it's an issue. You know, life happens and people you know, we go our ways and we go through our trials and tribulations, but we always still here at the end of the day. So I appreciate you for that for sure. Um Levonda, I haven't even called you that and I don't know. I know. I don't I it didn't even feel right calling you that, but uh, we're gonna do that for the show. Law Dow. That's what I have it on the screen. I'm gonna figure out a name for this, don't worry. But um, Law Dow. I call her star, okay? We call her star. I had to say it. That's my girl's star. That's what she's been saved in as since God knows when. But um, yeah. You're a lawyer now. Um, you have your own law firm. You're gonna start from the beginning because outside looking in, never did I think that you would ever become a lawyer. And only and only because, not because you didn't have the personality or anything like that, because you know what we went to school for. So while we're there, everybody thinking like we're gonna be in the fields that we're going to school for, because we went to a vocational school. So, and most of us tried it at least once we got out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but just to you know, touch on your story, like where did it all start for you and where did you make that turn to you know start going to law school and figuring that's what's something that you wanted to do?

SPEAKER_05

Sure. Um, it's kind of like you said, it's like, wait, you're an attorney. Like, I thought I was gonna be a small animal veterinarian. Um, that's what I wanted to do um after going to soul and just like I've always been a lover of animals, like growing up with cats and dogs and things like that. Yes, because I'm not and I still love animals, like that's still near and dear to my heart. Um, I always kind of joke and say later on in life when I get bored, I might go get my vet tech license or something, just to, I don't know, whatever. But um, so it's actually since I was a little girl, I I kind of entertained the idea of something in the legal field. Um and if I can be quite honest, actually, of course, watching Living Single, I love to make scene show and like she was just so inspirational to me. And it's crazy because a couple of years ago, I actually got to meet her. I was working downtown at my previous job, and she was in front of Freedom Theater, just like taking a random picture, and I was walking by and I'm like, oh my God, like, are you Erica Alexander? Like, what are you doing here? So it's like not many people can kind of say that they they've met their idol. And of course, mine, of course, it was her TV personality, but that still was my idol, like when I was a little girl. Um, and I just love just like, you know, how crazy, you know, she was and just her character all around. Um, so that was kind of like the first, I guess, introduction to like me wanting to um be a lawyer because that's what she was, and I just really enjoyed her character. And then it kind of went to me just watching a lot of like TV shows that was like based in some type of law. And to this day, I still love like, you know, SVU and you know, Lawrence Order, all the all the things. Um and as I got older, you know, I was like, okay, went to Sewell. Um, and I really felt like my life had like changed for the better. I was like, oh my God, like I love animals. I love just the whole idea of soil and everything, agriculture. It just was like such a unique experience for us to have in the city, even though it was like in Roxboro, but in the city. Um, and I really felt like just the teachers that I had was really preparing me um for um, you know, success in the field of in some type of science. Um so I originally went to Virginia Wesleyan. Um I did a year and a half there, and I was a biology major. Um and I was like, I don't think this is for me. Like this is, I don't really care too much for it. Um I just didn't think that that was that was what I really wanted to do. But I always still kind of had that thing in the back of my head, like you want to do something in the legal field. And actually, a lot of people don't know this, but um, our US government teacher, um Mr. O'Dwyer, in high school, he used to always kind of say to me, You're not gonna be playing with those furry animals, like you're gonna be doing something in politics. And I didn't know why he said that because I never told him that that was something I was interested in. I don't know if he was like, Oh, she's getting a good grade in my class. Like, I don't know. I don't know why he would say that. Um, and I would come back, I would go back to Saul to visit, and he was, you know, I would go see him to get on his nerves. And he would be like, Did you change your major yet? And then when I was still in biology. So I think that me kind of having a little bit of what I kind of thought I wanted to do before I went to Saul, and then also kind of hearing him say that it made me entertain the idea of some type of politics or what have you. So I ended up transferring to Westchester. I changed my major to political science. Um, and I did the international relations track, and it was it was great. Um, I don't think political science, that major, um, really prepared me for law school. And I only say that because I mean it prepared me in a sense of like just thinking like critically and even analytically. But other than that, I don't I can't say that there was a lot of parts of political science that really made me be like, oh yes, law school is it. Um and while I was at Westchester my last semester, I interned at a law firm. It was a personal injury um lawyer, and he was he was great. He was out in Westchester, like well-known attorney. Um, his firm was great, but that kind of scared me a little bit, just kind of seeing how fast-paced it was, seeing everything it entailed. Um, and I was like, whoa, I don't know if I can do this. Um, especially not having anybody else in my family that went before me that, you know, even had a bachelor's, let alone a doctorate or anything like that. And I just kind of got a little discouraged because I didn't know which way to go. Um, and so I actually took three years off. I graduated from Westchester um and I ended up working in insurance for like three years. And then I finally went to law school. Um, and that was just solely because God was like, no, at that point, God was like, I'm telling you to do this. Like, this is what you're supposed to be doing. And I had to just come up out of that space of being fearful of the unknown um and submit to the process of becoming an attorney, and even though I didn't know what that was going to entail and what was on the other side of that. So yeah. Wow, you were out that long? Yes. I graduated in 2015 from Westchester. I didn't go to law school until 2018.

unknown

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Life, like I mean, and I'm telling you, I was enjoying life. I was working in insurance, I was making money, I was traveling, all the fun things, and God literally had just had me on my shoulder, like, okay, that's all that's like that's fine, that's cute, but this is what I told you to do. Um, so it's it's no more hiding. Like, this is what you're supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_00

That's like another reason why when you went I first found out that you were going to law school, I was like, because even after you know you graduated, I remember when you graduated from West Chester, I remember that vividly. And then you um ended up, you know, doing the job in between. I remember that too. Then it's like, yo, I'm taking the bar. Like, what like what do you mean?

SPEAKER_05

Like, yes. Like you said, it was, I'm telling you, it was, it was really, and it's just it's it's kind of I know it's not coincidental, but it can kind of seem like it is. But even it's one of those things that I kind of feel like because my faith is a big part of just who I am and always, you know, been. Um, and and things that happen in life, whether it's good or bad, I always, you know, I know that God is in it because he's with me, right? And so even in me working at the insurance place or whatever, I ended up getting into a real bad car accident the day after Christmas, uh, the day after Christmas in 2017. Um, and that's honestly what made me stop working. Um, I was in therapy for some months. Um, they wouldn't release me to go back to work. After a while, my job was like, they held my um they held my position for three months. And it was like, all right, well, we're gonna have to um like we're gonna have to remove you since you can't come back. But they was like, you know, once once you get released back to work, you come back in, you still be at the position you was at. We're not gonna make you go through all the you know hoops and stuff because we we want you here. And so I was like, okay, or whatever. And then they would reach out to me, and I still, you know, wasn't able to go back. And during that time of me having to just kind of be still, the only thing I was doing was like getting up and going to therapy. Um, and just like having that time with myself, I was like, now is the time. Like, so I went ahead and I was like, I, you know, I needed some type of income. So I did end up applying for unemployment because I couldn't work. Um, so that was that was uh I I applied for unemployment, and then I was like, now is the time for you to study for the LSAT. Because at my old job, I would get off of work or in between work, I would try to study, but I wasn't focused. And so then I was like, now it's time for you to study for the LSAT so you can apply to law school. Like you have this free time. So I say this to say that God has an interesting way of getting us on the right track when we are going totally opposite or different from what he told us to do. Um, and so even in my bad, you know, he says all things work for the good of those that love the Lord and call it according to his purpose. He don't say all good things. So even when it's something that seems bad, it's like it's still gonna work for my good because it put me in a position to where I can sit and I can study for the L set, I can focus on that, and then I can go ahead and apply to law school and walk in my purpose when I was just sitting here being fearful and just like enjoying life. When he was like, Okay, whatever, girl, go go do what I told you to do.

SPEAKER_00

So true. Um, the L set, is that like the placement or yeah?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. So you have to take the L set. Um it's almost it's literally like the SATs on steroids. So, like literally on steroids, all these mind games and just nonsense. It's silly. Um, but yeah, so you have to take the L set. Like I will, I guess I will. That's that was a great question because a lot of people don't really know the process and it's kind of confusing because there's so many big exams um on the road of you know, of law school and being an attorney. So you take the L set, um, and then you go ahead and apply to law schools, and you get a good score, you get into that law school. While you're in law school, um you only take all of your classes, you only take one exam at the end of the semester. So it's a cumulative exam. So you're in classes for a whole semester, and one exam is going to determine your grade. Um, depending on how you're doing your first year, and if you passed, either they're gonna tell you you can go ahead and finish up law school or they're gonna tap you on your shoulder and say, you in the bottom 10%, you can't return because your grade also kind of graded against the other students because things are graded on like a certain scale. Um, so that's stressful. That's stressful within itself. Um, I'm sitting in the class all semester, don't fully know how well I'm doing, and not the actually the school I went to, they kind of knew that that was a little bit crazy, so they implemented doing like little small, like two small quizzes um before you get to the big exam. But the quizzes weren't really worth that much. It was just for you to get an understanding of if you're getting the material and if you weren't, or if you weren't doing good on those little small quizzes, then they would recommend you go to office hours to or you know, some type of tutoring to see how you were doing. Um, but yeah, so you go throughout law school being stressed all the time because your grade depends on one exam at the end of the semester, and then after that, you go into bar prep and you take about two months to study for the bar. Okay and then you take the bar. It's all a scam. All of it costs money. Everything costs money. Being a lawyer still costs money. When you're a lawyer, you still have to pay for stuff. You still gotta pay for CLEs that are like almost thousands of dollars if you don't actually like just do a yearly subscription and pay$200 a month. You gotta pay every, you gotta renew your license every year. It's all a scam. If you're thinking, people, if you're thinking about going to law school, don't do it. It's a scam.

SPEAKER_00

Do you have to pay like dues or anything like that?

SPEAKER_05

So I guess you can technically say that our dues would be our renewing our license. And like you, if you renew your license on time, it's like$295. Um, the later, you know, you kind of, or however long you take to renew it, the price might kind of like might go up. Um, and for your continuing um legal education classes, which is a requirement, you have to have 12 credits a year as an attorney to show that you are still um up to date on what the new like legislation around certain things are, or just you know, new laws and stuff like that. Um you gotta pay for those classes. And I mean, some some places offer little free ones that you might get here and there, but you have to pay for them. And if you don't, if you fall behind on, they're called CLEs. If you fall behind on your CLEs, do you want to pay like a fee? Like, cause you falling behind. So it's always key.

SPEAKER_00

You gotta hold on. So you gotta how often do you gotta um renew your license?

SPEAKER_03

Every year.

SPEAKER_00

Every year, and you still have to take classes every year. As long as you're gonna be a lawyer or attorney, you're gonna have to do this.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, every year. And you gotta have 12.

SPEAKER_00

You gotta have to go to the 100.

SPEAKER_05

Mm-hmm. If you still, if you're still at like to for your license to remain active, um, yeah, you you have to renew it every year, and then for your CLEs, you have to show that you're in good standing as an attorney. So, yes, as long as you're practicing and you want to be in good standing, you have to make sure you have those CLEs. And some of the classes, depending on how many credits it's worth, some of the classes are up to like$500, almost$600.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's intense.

SPEAKER_05

So you yeah, so you actually you you you save money like right now. I have um I have a subscription for all of these classes, and I pay is I think it's$160 something,$160 something a month. So I can have unlimited access to just go in and take the classes as I need to, so I can make sure I get my credits. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What was like so do you have like a specific moment? I know you said that you went through the crash, and that kind of brought you into getting focused, and you know, through that trial, that trial, you end up deciding that you were gonna go forward and get serious about studying and taking a test to become a lawyer or be uh getting to school. But is it like a specific moment when you kind of figured that was your calling for sure? Is it like uh another experience within that?

SPEAKER_05

I won't say like another experience in the sense of that was like a wow factor behind it, like how like with the the accident and it got me on the right chair. But I will say I kinda had some may say epiphany, but I'll say just a revelation to, you know. Revelation, yeah. I've real yeah, I realized that like this is what you're supposed to be doing because not only is it something you're passionate about, but it seems so hard. Like there's so much resistance. Um, nothing that you're you're passionate about or that's going to really almost break you in in so many different ways or test you in so many ways, if it comes to you easy, then it may it's it's it's a chance that's not your purpose. It may be something you're good at, something you're talented in, or even gifted in. But if it's not going to be something that really keeps you up at night, something that seems like there's so much resistance and it's so hard to get to it, but you see enough to know that I'm almost there. Like I know this is my purpose and it's what I'm passionate about, that that kind of makes the difference. Like, cause we can we can be, it's it's not enough just that I knew going to law school, it was going to stretch my mental. I knew I was gonna learn so many more things. I knew the knowledge piece was gonna be like, like, oh, this is gonna be a whole new world, right? But I didn't know that it was gonna test my faith in so many areas. I didn't know even physically I was gonna be tested, just like the exhaustion of it, and even emotionally. When I tell you, I I really don't remember me being a super anxious person. And I know sometimes anxiety comes with, or worries come with, you know, be you know, being an adult and you know you got different things you gotta worry about. But when I tell you the anxiety that I graduated with, I know I picked that up in law school because every single thing about it was anxiety inducing because it's almost like you're in a race. But I had to keep telling myself it's endurance, is endurance, it's not a sprint. And that that kind of that helped me kind of keep my my sanity.

SPEAKER_00

Marathon for sure. Um what would you say like your biggest sacrifice uh would be that you made during law school, like your biggest sacrifice during school for the first year and a half?

SPEAKER_05

My biggest sacrifice was me, honestly. I was tripping because I was in school full time. I was working full-time overnight.

SPEAKER_00

I remember. Now I had to think about that. I remember because we used to be texting and all that, and I remember you was working with the kids and all.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. I was working full-time overnight, I was in school during the day full-time, but while I was in school, I knew the importance of having a good grades, but also wanting to have experience in the legal field on my resume. Because the only thing up to that point was when I interned at the law firm three years before law school, and it was just for a semester. So I was like, I want some legal experience because that first summer after my first year of law school, I wanna, I need to go interview. I want to work with some people, I want them to see some legal experience. So while I was working full-time overnight and in school full-time, I was working at the Office of Defense Services in Delaware, and I was teaching youth court in Chester. So while I was in school in Delaware, in the middle of the day between classes, I scheduled my classes around me being able to go teach kids for an hour about court, the like court procedures and process and how that stuff works. And then two days out of the week, I would have to go into a little deeper into Chester to meet with um some of the juveniles that um I was the advocate for for when they um would be released from you know prison and getting them set up with different programs that you know helped rehabilitate them afterwards. So I was doing all of that, and I was like, what about you? Like I didn't have time to think about me. And somehow I was still trying to maintain some type of social life. Like I really don't know how I did it. So when the pandemic hit, even though I was tested in different ways when it hit, I needed that. I needed to be still. I needed to be still. I was doing too much, too much. Yeah. So I sacrificed me for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, what's something that you think that uh people don't realize uh about the journey to become an attorney?

SPEAKER_05

Something that I think people don't realize, uh is it's it's a full time job. It's a full-time job because, like I said, you take in so you get so much information. You got a schedule of five classes, right? And every class you're learning so much law. Because a lot of people don't realize, okay, so when you go to law school, you don't say, oh, I'm going to law school because I'm going to focus on criminal. And you don't say I'm going to law school because I'm a focus, I'm focused on civil or corporate. No. You learn every area of the law. Every area. And so you have this schedule. You learn in every area of the law, whether it's, you know, property 101, excuse me, 101 or whatever. And then at the end of that semester, you take one exam. You don't know what's going to be on an exam. So it's a full-time job in the sense of even when you're not in class and even when you're not doing homework, you need to be looking at material. You need to be studying. You need to be recalling stuff back to your memory that may have been discussed. Like you had, it's it's it's a full-time job. Like you have to. And the thing is, it's no way to fully remember every single thing, but you have to know enough to know, like, all right, I'm comfortable with what this exam might be at the end of, you know, the semester. Yeah. It's a it's a full-time job.

SPEAKER_00

Talk about like your experience in the work field uh uh thus far until you know we'll get into how you started your firm, but before the in-between, talk about your work experience then.

SPEAKER_05

I had it was like unique in the sense of um I worked for Judge Frazier in a municipal court. Um that was that was very interesting because I I got a taste of not only, you know, working for a judge and one that's very passionate about reform in the city of Philadelphia, but also very passionate about just being who you are. Like she like really built me up in so many different ways, like as a black woman. Um, and then also she wasn't selfish and didn't just want to keep me to herself. So some days she would let me go sit with other judges or go sit in their courtrooms and kind of observe their court, um, observe scar, I'm sorry, um, their courtrooms and stuff like that. So she just kind of was like one of those type of like bosses that's like, this is who you are. Don't be afraid of, you know, to be assertive and be this because I feel like a part of me, and you notice about me, I never really been the type of person that was like, I'm not shy, I'm not like I speak up, you know, I'm assertive. Um, I'm assertive in a lot of ways, but um when I was in law school and seeing just like the dynamic there, and I went to a predominantly white um law school, it's so easy to be looked at as the aggressive black woman. And so that kind of me trying to just fill that out in that space, um, it was it was interesting. But then when I went to work for her, she kind of was just like, no, like this is just this is who you are, like it's okay to be that.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_05

Um, and then uh after that, I worked at I worked at Philadelphia Legal Assistance where that was, you know, um public service, people who couldn't afford um legal uh legal representation. Okay. Um and that was a that was a different experience because I was still in law school while I was doing that. And I literally started working there and I got a caseload, like they, you know, they trained us for two months or whatever. I literally got a caseload of like 22 cases, and they was like, all right, here's your case load. Go ahead, do what you gotta do. And it was like some custody cases, some child support, some domestic violence, some divorce, like so all these different cases. And I'm like, you just gonna give me 20, like all these cases and just tell me to go right ahead. And some of them I actually had to go to trial on. So I was like, my supervisor was there, like she was, you know, available for what I needed to ask questions and you know, procedurally, but it just was like, whoa, like y'all just trust me to just go right out there and and kind of do this. Um, but I'm grateful for that experience because it showed me how to be quick on my feet and to, you know, sharpen my skill. So that was that was interesting. My last, um, my last job, very interesting. I learned so much. I learned so much. I did so much from literally negotiating and drafting million-dollar technology technology contracts to writing policies for uniform personnel. Like it was just so many different things that I learned there. So I think in this field, um, the biggest thing is to avail yourself to something new, like a new area. Because I knew I wanted to do family law, I knew I wanted to do estates and stuff, but I also remain open to contracts and you know transactional uh things and stuff too. So just availing yourself to different areas is also important so you don't put yourself in a box.

SPEAKER_00

How long do you realistically think you could do uh law? Like, how do how it's like do they have like an average age of how long lawyers last or attorneys last out here?

SPEAKER_05

I about to say it's some attorneys that's literally pushing 80 that's still out there um in criminal court working and stuff like that, like on some criminal defense stuff. So like there's really no like actual age, but it would be nice to retire early. Or actually, my goal is to um get to the point where um uh I can have associates and they basically, you know, handle all the cases and do everything, and I I just come in, you know, on some all right, on the big stuff that they need help with. That would be ideal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05

But I mean I love what I do, but I don't want to I don't want to work for a living.

SPEAKER_00

Bring yourself out, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I just don't. I want to do it.

SPEAKER_00

Those later days you want to be able to coast.

SPEAKER_05

I literally want to be like, mm-hmm. I feel like doing some work today. Or I don't feel like doing the work today. But I'm cool.

SPEAKER_00

That should be the main goal for all for all, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00

So we can get into how you started your firm, why, what's the biggest reason that led you to doing it, uh, where the name came from. We can get into that for sure.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, um, so that was always, I want to say, what year was this? Oh my gosh, this was before law school, actually. Um God showed me a building with my name on it. Like it was like clear as day. Um and at the time, I didn't know if it was a law firm or if it was going to be, because I do have um, I do have a goal of wanting to start a nonprofit and just like almost like I won't say a boys and girls club, but I'll I'll call it that. But like a one-stop shop where, you know, kids have to go if they want to be on like different, you know, leagues or whatever, like with different sports, if they need therapy, you know, just somebody to talk or counseling. Um, also like I would love to do like take like cases pro bono, just like specific to juvenile. So I just kind of that's something I I I wanted to do like for a while. So when he showed me the building, I didn't know if it was gonna be a law firm or if it was going to be, you know, a nonprofit organization. Um and then I want to say maybe like a year and a half later, I was at a service or whatever, and basically somebody, you know, the the guy that was like speaking or preaching or whatever, he literally like looked at me and like prophesied, and he was like, you know, there's like there's a building with your name on it. So that was just that confirmation. Because I kind of felt like I was talking myself out of it. Like, did I really see that? Um, but when that confirmation um came, it just was like, okay, like, all right. And so as I nail fast forward, I'm working in the legal field, I'm working for different, you know, firms. I because I also worked for another firm before, and I'm just kind of seeing the way that that operates. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna have my own firm one day. Like, that's the goal. But I thought this was gonna be later in life. I thought it was gonna be like when I'm like, you know, 40, something, maybe even almost 50, because I felt like you gotta kinda be, you know, really work, hustle, you know, work for different people, and then you start your firm. And last year, God was like, now was the time. He was like, go ahead and do it. And um I had a uh I had a um property um that I owned for a while, whatever, and I didn't want it anymore, so I ended up selling it. And so um I was able to, you know, take the proceeds from that to help fund my business. And I was like, I was like, I don't want to just, you know, have this money and just like, of course, I you know invested some here and all of that, but I was like, you need to invest in yourself and invest in the vision that God gave you too. And so that's why I was like, it's time to start this firm now. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's crazy because uh that time we went out and got something to eat after work, and that was right before the summer hit. So it like happened right after that, because at that point when we was talking, you wasn't saying like, yo, I'm gonna get my own firm. Not in a bad way, but you was you was definitely moving from one place to another. So when I seen that you posted the firm, like, yo, so she's just been cooking up all you know fall, winter because it caught me by storm because that was totally different from what we was talking about, even though what you were saying at the time was good, like you was moving on, you was doing something different than what you had been doing as far as that firm you was with downtown. But just to like see you pop out with a firm, like you know, for me, that's that's big. For everybody, it should be big. But I'm like, wow, I always gotta tip my head off to you on that one.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it was absolutely like uh like me, like literally, what they were saying, like I've I've been in the lab, like I was in the lab.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you definitely was in the lab.

SPEAKER_05

Literally in the lab and just kind of I slow walked it because I had a particular, like the um, I'm so grateful for the um the the girl that I worked with that like helped just with my branding and all of that. Cause I literally went to her and said, This is my vision, this the colors I want, this is what I see, this is what I feel. And some of the stuff I was able to just have, like uh, I was answering questionnaires that she sent me, or I was able to just have a quick conversation with her. And it was like she listened so well that she just literally brought it to life. Um, and so like me and her was like just kind of slow walking it and just like, if it was little things, I'm like, uh, I don't know. Some even down to the instead of saying four, can you say two? Instead of this, can you this? Because I just kind of had a certain, a certain look that I wanted it to have, but I also wanted to communicate something like, you know, in a concise way or in a way that people would kind of see who I am and what I'm about. Because it's not for me, it's not just, oh, I want to rack up on clients. Like I just want to get no, no, no. I actually care about my clients. I care about the the legal matters that they that they bring to me. I care about, you know, with this decision that they're gonna make, how big it is, I care about how it's gonna affect them even after this when they no longer need my services. So it was one of those things where it's like, I want this to be appealing, but I also, the main thing is to me is not impression, is impact. It's impact. Like no matter what you do. Even if I have, you know, people come to me for a consultation, they may not decide to onboard with me and actually they may feel like, oh, actually, I don't think I need an attorney now, and that's fine, but I want to make sure any decisions you make is informed, so anyway, I can help in that manner. I'm going to.

SPEAKER_00

That's dope. That's dope. You feel like anybody ever doubted you?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah. I know for a fact. I know of some people that doubted me. Um, and I mean, I don't know. I know, I know it wasn't true. But and the thing is, I don't I don't treat them any different. I don't treat, you know, it's it's it's all love. But um I'm honestly I'm probably the first person that doubted myself. So I can't be, you know, too mad at somebody that doubted me when I struggled with self-doubt for the longest. That's I mean, that's one reason why I stayed away from going to law school for so so long. So yeah, I I mean listen, me and self-doubt done wrestled uh a couple seasons. And I mean, I feel like anytime you climb on the ladder or you're going to the next level or you're trying to accomplish something next, some self-doubt may creep in because you're trying to literally see yourself in the next, but you like, dang, I don't know how I'm gonna get there. Because we our own worst critics sometimes. So I mean, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00

Um what is what do you think the biggest, biggest risk that you took was, took was?

SPEAKER_03

The biggest risk? Um, that's a good question.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I'll tell you, when I left my last job, like, so because all right, so I do have my own firm. I am open, taking new clients, all those things. Because for the longest, I was just like taking clients here and there on the side. Right. But um at my last job, I was working as, excuse me, um, one of the one of the attorneys in-house for the Philadelphia Sheriff.

SPEAKER_00

Is this in between like time? Is this in between the timeline that I was speaking of? So is this the one are you talking about the one after me you spoke and all that, or that one that you had at that?

SPEAKER_05

So I was I was going to start there and I actually turned that one down. All right, gotcha. Yeah, I turned that one down and I stayed because I just I I felt like that just wasn't the right, the right, you know, thing. So I stayed at the sheriff's office until the end of last year. Gotcha. Um, so the biggest risk that I took, and a lot of people don't know this, but I put my um my two weeks in at the sheriff's office. I said I wasn't going in 2026 here. I just knew I wasn't for a lot of reasons. Um and I didn't have anything else lined up. I was like, I'm just going, I'm leaving, and I'm gonna fully focus on my firm. Like, that's it. For the whole, like all of 2025 and a little bit of the end of 2024, I was applying to different firms, applying different places, and some got back to me. Um, I went on interviews and then I heard nothing. Like when I tell you no rejection, no yes, nothing.

SPEAKER_00

I remember you was telling me that too, yeah?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Some of them they did get back to me what they was offering, or just with the fit. I just was like, I don't think this feel is for me. I turned it down. Um, I think out of I went on so many interviews. Out of all the interviews and stuff I went on, I only heard back from one job, and that's because I ended up reaching out to them to be like, hello, like because I that that was the one that I kind of could see myself like, you know, actually being interested in, like I really cared about. And they was like, you know, um, we're gonna get back to you. And then like a week later, they was like, we decided to go with somebody else.

SPEAKER_04

I'm like, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_05

Um, but yeah, I had spent a whole year with the ups and downs of trying to apply, find somewhere else, right? I put in my two weeks at the sheriff's office, my two weeks notice at the sheriff's office. A week after I put that in, a law firm reached out to me. Their HR department reached out to me and was like, we came across your resume, we want to meet with you. Can you do a phone screening? I'm like, okay, sure. So I did the phone screening. Okay, can you come in for an interview? Mind you, I didn't apply to this place. I didn't apply. Can you come in for an in-person interview? We really blah blah blah. And it's it's it's an area I'm experiencing, is in real estate and foreclosures. I'm like, sure, I'll come in for an in-person interview. I go in. Good interview. That next Monday, HR reached out to me and said, the partner of the firm would love to speak to you, blah, blah, blah, whatever. I'm like, okay. Talk to the partner on the phone. That next day, they send me an offer. I didn't even apply to this job yet.

SPEAKER_00

Crazy work.

SPEAKER_05

They send me an offer. I'm like, okay. They was like, you gotten so such and such to accept it. So now I'm I go in my prayer bag. I'm trying to see. Cause I'm like, God, I finally took the leap of faith. I'm like, I'm leaving this job and just solely gonna depend on you. I know you told me to start my firm, but now this comes up and it's aligning with everything that I said I wanted. Like, it's no billable hours. I don't gotta be stressed out when I get home. When I get home, I can focus on my clients for LKH legal. Like, what am I supposed to do here? And I accepted the position. And then once I accepted it, they start doing backgrounds and stuff. And I was about to start at the job, and they was like, Oh, yeah, can you send in an application so we'll have it for your file? Like, it was like this clockwork. So I am doing a dual thing. I'm I'm working at a firm, um, but I also do have mine. Um so yeah, my hands are full.

SPEAKER_00

That's what you call walking by faith.

SPEAKER_05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

That was a risk. And and the thing is, you know me. You know, I literally been working since I was 14. I never was at a job and left a job with nothing lined up. I've never done it ever in life. Like, even when I was in undergrad, like I said, in law school, I always still worked, whether it was all throughout the summer or even at my um school in Virginia, I found a job on campus. Like I've I've never not worked. And so the fact that I was literally like, I'm leaving this job regardless. I had like I literally had a spreadsheet, a full uh six-month budget, and then even carrying it out to a year of what that was gonna look like with me paying all my bills, handling everything I needed to handle with just the income that comes from LKE's legal. Like, and then this came up. I was like, wow. Because that was that was a risk, a very big risk. It was worth taking though.

SPEAKER_00

You did that. Um, how important do you think uh ownership is for black women in professional spaces?

SPEAKER_05

Very, very important because one of the main reasons is because we we're at the bottom of the totem pool, unfortunately. The black woman is at the bottom of the totem pool. Um, especially when it comes to businesses, when it comes to ownership, when it comes to actually being able to the thing is we're at the bottom of the totem pool, but a lot of times if you look at some of these other, like these companies and these boards, the execs and things like that, there's some black woman on the team or behind the scenes that's keeping the that's keeping the the car moving. Like, even if it's just the assistant that drop little nuggets here and there for the exec to be like, oh yeah, that makes sense. Like it's crazy because we have a lot of us, it's so innate in us to serve, um, and some to some degree. And I think that because a lot of times we are the one that's serving, that's giving, that's doing for others, we skip over ourselves and don't realize we can do that for ourselves as well. So I think it's very important for us to um whatever it is that we want to do, to step out um on faith and and do their thing and grow it and um like really just garden ourselves. We don't we don't do that enough.

SPEAKER_00

Um, is there any advice that you would like give to someone thinking about starting their own business or a firm?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. Um write it down. Write the vision, make it plain. Like write it down. Um believe it, like see it. Um, and then even in even as when you when you write it down, when you start kind of like seeing exactly what it is you want to do and you start planning, um make sure the people that you have around you that are that you um even may want to use as far as helping get this business off the ground, whether it's you need a website created or whatever those things is, just make sure it's with people that that also understands your vision and gets it and they see it. Because you don't want anybody to come into that and try to make what you want to be yours their own because they're creative and they see something. But if it's not what you really want at your core or you know what you want your audience to see for whatever type of business it is, then you gotta remain true to yourself and true to your vision.

SPEAKER_00

And just to bounce off the question before this, when um I asked about uh how important it is for black women in business, do you feel like I have to work it twice as hard out here professionally to get respect?

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely. Absolutely. I absolutely think that we do. I know that we do, especially in certain industries. Um and I what I and what I say to that is our focus should never be work hard to get respect. It should just be focused, like lock in and work hard because and know who you are, because a big part of the respect we're gonna get is when you stand true, stay true to who you are and you're confident in it. Because then you're gonna be respected. And like don't don't don't let don't bow down to anybody, don't let anybody talk to you crazy, don't let anybody treat you crazy. And the thing is, it's not that you gotta turn around and get bucked with somebody. No, you can you can just be direct and be assertive. Um, and you can be professional, but you will be able to communicate and let somebody know I'm not I'm not taking disrespect. I've had to do that many times to many different things. Yeah, older Caucasian men, older black woman. Like I've had to do that a lot of times, and that's because I know who I am. I know who I am, and I think that's a big part of anything that you want to do in life, especially for the black woman in certain spaces and industries. Know who you are, be confident in that. Um, and this is not to say don't be teachable or don't be reachable, but be confident and know who you are. Like be self-built, self-made.

SPEAKER_00

Um what does uh true support for women look like today, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_05

Um, true support looks like love, like honestly. Like just like loving on one another and just like people showing love, whether it's showing up to an event that you know someone's holding, or whether it's going, you know, for a coffee shop date or going out to eat, like, because you'll be surprised at how much just conversations and interactions play into you know being a woman who has a vision, who's trying to build something. Like you just never know. Sometimes she needs the space to be able to talk or be able to, like, it's sometimes so. Many different thoughts and stuff, and it's like, I want to do this, I want to do that. I might be self-doubt, might doubt might be creeping in, or you know, so many different things, but a listening ear is just all these. So you just gotta show like show love, like show it for your people. Talk to them and listen.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we need that. All of us.

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Um, how do you think women maintain uh confidence in male-dominated spaces? Or how do you maintain your confidence?

SPEAKER_05

I can speak to myself. Um I don't compare. Okay. I don't compare. I I I believe that comparison kills. So I don't compare myself to the next person, and I'm also not easily intimidated by anybody. So even though I'm the one that can that walk into the room with a whole bunch of Caucasian older attorneys, and knowing that this young black woman who's an attorney is not really welcome, or it's going to be a stigma, or I'm going to be looked at in a way like, do she really know anything? Do she really and I'm going to walk in there like, yeah, I do. Because I don't compare myself to the next person. Because I know I'm on a mission. I know I'm walking in my purpose, and I know anything that I'm supposed to say, I'm supposed to do, I'm supposed to give, how I'm supposed to help. God has already set that out. I'm just going to walk in it.

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, so what does like today, what does success look like for you with your definition of success?

SPEAKER_05

Never giving up. Whatever it is, whatever it is, you can't give up. Perseverance and resilience is something that is major. That's major. Even if you feel like you've taken a loss, even if you've, you know, you've taken steps back or whatever, you don't give up. You just approach it from a different angle. You you just you still go for it. You never give up. That's success. Anytime you give up on whatever it is, you're passionate about something you want to do, something you know you're supposed to be doing, or what your purpose is, throwing in a towel, giving up, that's too easy. That's too easy.

SPEAKER_00

Was still Leah's song?

SPEAKER_05

What's on?

SPEAKER_00

If at first you don't think she pushes off and try again. No, for real.

SPEAKER_03

She was that was a bar. She's bad. It is.

SPEAKER_00

It came right to my mind as soon as you got done. Came right to me. Um, let's get into like some law talk.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Spice it up for you. Ask some questions. Um, what are three legal mistakes people make every day without realizing it?

SPEAKER_04

Ooh, golly, that's a very broad question. Um just give me three.

SPEAKER_00

It don't even gotta be anything like specific, but it's in the realm of that.

SPEAKER_05

I will say people would people.

SPEAKER_00

Give me one.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, I'll give you one. One thing that's that's I feel like it's I can't unsee or I can't help is when I'm out and about, whether I'm at the market or anything like that, I see potential lawsuits everywhere. I hate it. I if somebody told me that this was gonna happen, I hated it. I'd be like, oh dang, like they could have almost did this. They could have done it, like I cannot stand it. But there's potential lawsuits everywhere.

SPEAKER_00

Especially in the people never would have thought about until you got to that project.

SPEAKER_05

And I I don't even mean just the simple, it's a slippery floor and it's not a sign out there. No, I mean other things that people wouldn't even think about.

SPEAKER_00

I'd be like, oh, this is all deep into it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Um, what's one thing you think people should never say to police?

SPEAKER_04

They shouldn't talk to them.

SPEAKER_05

People, they do not have a right to search your vehicle. Like, because the thing is they'll say, Do you mind if I tell them you mind? Don't let them search your vehicle. Because that alone lets you know they don't have a reasonable uh reasonable suspicion or anything that you have anything in the car. If they ask, you do not have to give them consent. You don't. You have a choice.

SPEAKER_00

Um when should someone ask for a lawyer immediately, it depends on what happens.

SPEAKER_05

It depends. No, that's a good question, though, because sometimes people come to me like, I need a lawyer. And they'll be like, actually, this you don't need it for that. But um now, in what context are you asking it?

SPEAKER_00

Like, I just don't want to I mean in times of trouble, I should say, maybe we can go with that.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, if there's going if they have to make a decision that's based around or in legalities and they're not sure, they should consult an attorney.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

And that's on either civil or criminal, any type of thing. If you have to make there's going to be some type of legal consequence, or even if they have a matter or an issue in they think that something happened where they may have a legal remedy, anything like that, then consult an attorney.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Uh, there are any rights that people have that we don't know about, like the average person don't know about.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, the right to say no if they ask you if they can come in at your house or check your car. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The house is just absurd. Yes.

SPEAKER_05

Do you mind if I step in? I do mind. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00

Because we've been seeing it on shows and like the shows where people be running around and the cops be pulling up to their cribs. You be thinking, people be thinking that's the same. Nah.

SPEAKER_05

And then the thing is, what happens is because they have a uniform, some people may react in a way of being intimidated, so they think they have to let them in or have to let them check anything, but they're asking a question. Like, you don't have to give consent. So that's that's absolutely a right that people don't realize that they have.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, how about social media? Like, uh, do you think that legal education on social media is important?

SPEAKER_05

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05

And that's that's in any any context, whether it is kind of like even you asking certain questions, like asking me the question of when should people consult an attorney, or even if it is, there's some pages out there, like you know, that's geared towards law students that may need little pointers and stuff. So across the board, I do think that legal um education is important on social media because it's right at our hands. So many people have it. So, you know, it's available to them to be able to get educated in that way.

SPEAKER_00

How much do you think like you would need to or plan to integrate uh social media with your law firm to help it grow?

SPEAKER_05

So that's just so hard to me because I'm not that active on social media in general. So that's something that I've actually been like, I'm cooking some stuff up as far as like being able to consistently post. Like I'm creating some different things because a part of what I want to do is not just me posting about my service. I want services, I want to educate around that. So, you know, as far as, for example, with wills um and trust and stuff like that, a lot of you know, families don't realize, you know, how important that is, or, you know, for someone to have a will in their family and stuff like that. So kind of just um educating around the different um statistics and stuff around that is something that I'll be also mixing into, you know, my booknail and all of those, you know, things or whatever, because a lot of people, you know, die without wills. So and that's that's not, you know, that's not good. So I have, you know, some some data and some statistics and stuff that I plan on, you know, throwing up there around all of the different services and stuff that I do offer.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely. Um what's like one of the craziest legal myths uh you see people believe online? I'm trying to think of one too, because I you know how we come across so many things, but now I'm having a brain for it.

SPEAKER_04

Mm-hmm. Um, dang. I really can't think of one.

SPEAKER_05

I definitely will well, I will say, I won't say it's online, but I definitely do feel like once somebody hears that you're an attorney, they just think, oh yeah, I'm gonna need you because I I got this, I'm gonna get in trouble. I'm this. I don't even practice that area of law. Like, don't call me. I can't help you. I'll refer you. So, you know, it's one of those things where even if people just joking, it's like, yeah, because I might get in trouble because I might do this, and it's like I might not be able to help you.

SPEAKER_00

I was just telling my bro, my bro Daryl, I was uh telling him that you was about to come on the show. I was like, Yeah, she got a firm now. He's like, Oh yeah, was she in again, man? I might need a soon.

SPEAKER_05

I was like that's everybody's favorite line.

SPEAKER_00

It's like we said that yesterday though.

SPEAKER_05

Like, and meanwhile, they're talking about like, yeah, I might need you because I got into this. Meanwhile, I'm like, do you need a will draft dick? Because I can help.

SPEAKER_00

Like, yeah, I'm like, bro, nah.

SPEAKER_05

Like, cause it's it's not to say I don't know anything. Cause of course I learned you learn everything, you know it, you work around it, but that's not my expertise. That's not my area of practice. Like, you gotta go get somebody else to do it.

SPEAKER_00

What's the biggest misconception about lawyers, you think?

SPEAKER_04

That they I don't wanna say that. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Um let's just say I'm not gonna say that. All right, the big misconception. Oh, I'll say that they make a hella money. That's not always the case, especially depending on what area of law or where they work at. Like you work for the city. You know what I'm saying? So, like, you know, that's a big misconception. Like, oh yeah, you got you got money. Uh that's not always the case. Not right away, like, no.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I gotta ask you this. What is the craziest thing you've seen in court? I hope ain't nobody jumping over nobody like that, lady that was that dude was on the city.

SPEAKER_03

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05

Um, I mean, I've seen like, you know, a family get kind of rowdy. Um, it was like a murder case. So I've I've definitely witnessed that. Yeah. I've seen a family get rowdy and it having to be like people like taken out of there and stuff like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Alright. Um, we'll do a little rapid fire for you too. Okay. Um public defender or private attorney?

SPEAKER_03

Private.

SPEAKER_00

Courtroom or negotiate uh negotiation table.

unknown

Courtroom.

SPEAKER_00

Law school again or never again.

SPEAKER_05

Did that tell you is a scam? It's like, no, I'ma do it all over again. I'ma do it differently. I wouldn't be working like a crazy person and all of that. Like, I would do it differently.

SPEAKER_00

Coffee or wine after a long case.

SPEAKER_05

Wine.

SPEAKER_00

Okay. Winning a case.

SPEAKER_05

Coffee before or wine after.

SPEAKER_00

Gotcha. Winning a case or helping change someone's life. Now, when you say that positively.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Help and change your life.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Only that's the only way.

SPEAKER_03

Help and change your life.

SPEAKER_00

Let's talk about this lean before I let you go. Let's lean into um, let's talk about your faith, your walk with God. How has that been? Um, especially these last few years, um, when you became a lawyer, practicing, uh, working on different cases. Like, has it been tested a lot? Um, how how is you how's that working out for you right now?

SPEAKER_05

Um, it's working out, it's working out great. Um, a lot of people don't know. I'm also very involved in church and in ministry. I actually have to teach next Monday. Um, but so that kind of helps keep me on my toes. Um, and honestly, this might sound crazy, but my my skill set in being an attorney and like just me sharpening those skills and stuff, it actually has also allowed me to approach the Bible in a different way too, and just even in analyzing and really getting into the nitty-gritty of, you know, like God's word and me being able to kind of teach that. But um I'll say that the things that I've come up against as an attorney, my faith has helped keep me grounded, and it kind of met even with my ethical duties in a good way. So my faith reminds me, even with because I deal with some crazy people, whether it's I'm just saying that, whether it's um someone who may be seeking legal advice, or whether it's actually a client that I've had, or whether it is other staff, you know, in the job and just things that they did. But because I know I have an ethical duty and a level of professionalism that um I have to maintain, but my faith has also allowed me not to meet bad energy where it's at because I know I'm also a representation of Christ. I know that um a soft answer turns away wrath. So I've kind of been able to just maintain a good level and balance of um being who I am as an attorney. But I my identity is not in being an attorney. My identity is in Christ. Being an attorney is what I do, and that's my purpose. So I kind of found a way to make sure those are balanced and they kind of meet in the middle and they just keep me at an even pace and ground.

SPEAKER_00

That's wonderful to you know, come to a place and find that balance because I know it's hard being as though all these stuff you had to deal with, and you know, you have your own faith and beliefs, but you gotta kind of separate the two, you know what I'm saying? Most cases. So I know it's hard, so I commend you for that for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely one of the strongest people I know in terms of um always keeping you know hope alive, keeping the faith, uh, keeping it going. You've been through a lot, you know what I'm saying. I've been around for a long time. So I I've seen the growth uh seen you go through tough times, bounce back every single time. So um my love and support is always here for you for sure.

SPEAKER_04

Thank you, thank you, friend. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely. Um happy women's history month, you know what I'm saying? You are one of the you are the right person to get on here this week. Uh I wanted to big you up and show you some love, give you your flowers. Um I know, for sure. No question.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you. Thank you so much, friend. And before we get out of here, now we take it over. Um, I just want to say I'm just so happy for you, and I'm proud of you and your consistency and your persistence and everything that you've been doing just with podcasting and just you know changing up different things that you wanted to see, and like growing in so many ways, it has been very, very inspirational. And I'm just proud of you, and even just with um the strength that you had you have had over, you know, just different trial times and different different seasons you've been through. Um, but um, you didn't waver, you didn't stop. And that that looks like success to me. So just keep going, keep pushing, keep growing. Like I'm just I'm so proud of you, and I'm excited to see what's next. And I'm I'm again, I'm truly honored to um to be here talking with you and just on your podcast.

SPEAKER_00

Definitely, I appreciate it. Um closing question uh what does being a powerful woman mean to you?

SPEAKER_05

That means being a powerful woman means kind of what I said earlier, knowing who you are. Because when you know who you are, nobody can you know take that power away from you. Knowing who you are and and just and being confident in it.

SPEAKER_00

I agree with that wholeheartedly. It's helped me along the way, knowing who I am, it helped you grow and dodge some bullets, you know what I'm saying? Because you know, you know some things that they ain't for you, you just don't even bother. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely, I would have to agree. Um, shout out to you for being a powerful woman. Uh staying at it, you know what I'm saying? Keep going. I'm proud of you. Um happy for all of your success thus far. It's only gonna get better and better.

SPEAKER_04

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you, friend. Stay grounded, you know, stay in your word. You know how we do. We always gonna, you know, we always gonna make our have our encounters and we're gonna bust it up and talk and do all that good stuff. But I'm definitely, like I said, I'm happy that you came through today. Had some technical difficulties in the beginning, the devil's working this a little bit. You know what I'm saying? But we all good now. We prevail, we prevail. Yes, seamlessly. Of course, I didn't have any doubts about that part. That was nothing, you know what I'm saying? Because you already know how we do. But um definitely I'm not gonna hold you too long. Um, thank you for coming through, Steppin' with Onk Podcast. Once again, happy women's history month. I love y'all ladies. Um, like I said, you're one of the dear friends to my heart, so I'm always here for you no matter what. You already know.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I love you, friend. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. So I'm gonna let you get up out of here. Um, enjoy your evening, do what you gotta do because I know you got a loan drive tomorrow. Yes. Um make sure I send this to you in the morning so you can at least listen to it, all right? Absolutely. Thank you. No problem. All right, have a good night.

SPEAKER_05

All right, you too.