Trinity is like Ice cream, McDonalds Subscription, Scientology Raids

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SPEAKER_06 0:00

This is the Deeper Roots podcast with four hosts talking about a range of topics, going from life to godliness. I got Chris, RJ, Pastor Jason, and myself, Zay. I had to concentrate.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

Did you just picture how we used to I did?

SPEAKER_06 0:15

So for the listeners, we are about to move to video, which means we are in the same office, but we're in a different configuration. So I had to like close my eyes and picture the old configuration to do the intro for us to end up here. Um, but no, I I'm excited that we get to move to video soon. I'm hoping maybe in the next two-ish weeks, you guys will see two to three weeks, you'll see the first upload of the Deeper Roots podcast on YouTube somewhere. Nice. So now it's like visual and stuff, which means we gotta get pretty.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

I feel like you're not being honest, right now. Handsome young fellas.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

You know, I'm just gonna take it. Yeah, you know, thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

I can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:07

But it's better for anything to be on the end closest to the camera. I will say that. I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

How would y'all why would y'all take a compliment and think I'll meant anything else by that? Really encouraging.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Yeah, why would we ever why would we ever think he would joke with it? Subliminal media. Yeah. Our perfect securities on being on camera, you know. Yeah, everything's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

No. My name was Barnabas. I was an encourager. Like that's what I was doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

No, it was good. I needed to hear that. Yeah. The spirit knew you're ministering to me, sir. Amen. The anointing knew that I needed that encouragement.

SPEAKER_06 1:52

Speaking of encouragement, we need to encourage LeBron James.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Because it's looking like the Rockets are coming back. Yeah, I'm gonna put my encouragement to the Houston Rockets. Oh I'm rooting so hard for Houston. No, come on, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:14

I'm nervous. I'm not gonna lie, I was getting nervous. I was fully confident. And then the last game, I was like, oh, his age is showing. And Austin Reeves, shout out to Austin Reeves. He came back, he was doing his thing, but the rest of the team looked like they was not keeping up. And I was like, ooh, is this gonna go to game seven?

SPEAKER_03 2:29

If it goes to a game seven, we need to do a live recording. Let's go. We need to do a live. I don't know how we could do that, but if we could do that, because that's gonna be more fun probably than the NBA finals. I'm I'm probably honestly gonna be fun. I'm with that. As much as we've talked about LeBron on this podcast, we have to see it through. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:51

That we're doing it.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

And I want to be there with somebody to call out everything that happened.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

I feel like you're talking that regularly to me. Every mistake LeBron does. Hey Isaiah, did you see that?

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Man. What was it, the second game when they went into overtime and he he missed a couple of uh shots at the end, but then he pulled it together again in game two. Like that was vintage LeBron, though. And that was uh I told Isaiah, I think, at the men's breakfast, becoming harder and harder to to tear him down. These last two games have been helpful for my side.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that particular game you're speaking of. I mean, he made some big mistakes and got bailed out by you know, a fourth-tier player. Uh bailed out.

SPEAKER_06 3:41

Marcus Smart is not a fourth tier player. I like Marcus Smart. I do too. I like him. I do too. And it's great. Yeah. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. Do they play? They play again tonight, right? They play tonight, yeah. They play tonight.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

And then if they don't, so going back to your uh point that he's 40-something years old, play tonight. If they don't win tonight, they play Sunday. So it's just a day in between the games.

SPEAKER_06 4:07

One day, and you could tell like the last game, you could tell he needed them two extra days of rest to recoup. Yeah. Because I mean, you know what it's like being 40 and how it's you know, hard mobility and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

I'm sorry, it was sitting right there. It was right there.

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Yeah, you're LeBron's age. Yeah, you know how it is. Like to be in his 40s, you know, like one 15 years ago. I do think things have changed because even with NFL, you you see, you know, some players playing a lot longer, you know, multiple quarterbacks in their 40s, which was unheard of 20 years ago. But 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Whoever's selling him the steroids needs to be in the hall of steroids.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

It's not it's steroids, it's anabolics, it's all the peptides. It's uh speaking of peptides, they need to be in the hall of fame. Oh, okay. Um not an average flopper. Do you think he's ever been tested? The NBA is not gonna test LeBron.

SPEAKER_06 5:18

Of course they've tested him.

SPEAKER_05 5:20

No, no, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 5:21

No, not really. You don't think one time in his whole career? I doubt it. That's easy.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

If so, they didn't look. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 5:31

There's no way. And I feel the same way about Tom Brady. Like, whatever his side doctor is that helped him out, like, I mean, it it's not all green juice, I promise you that. Like, it's not natural doing what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

Plenty of people get in the hyperbaric chamber. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if it came out, I mean, there is there is genetic, I mean, there is a lot of genetics involved, and there's luck probably with injuries and stuff like that. But I mean, yeah, there's there's for sure other stuff going on.

SPEAKER_06 6:04

If it came out that LeBron James used an illegal substance at any point in his career, you wouldn't care. No, I think I'd be crushed. Like that would, oh my gosh, yes. Because he is like top three athletes in the world. It's like Messi, Ronaldo, LeBron James. Like those are like the most worldwide recognizable athletes ever. If one of those three came out and it was like, no, they've been using substances, everything, the whole legacy is gone. Even just the allegation, I would be crushed as a super fan.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Maybe it's just me, but I assume every top athlete is using something. Really? Yeah. I don't think I think there's very few professional athletes who don't use all the substances they can to be better. Well, bro, there's so much money on the line. You got hundreds of millions of dollars of company.

SPEAKER_06 6:58

Modern medicine has helped this. Yes, I don't know. I'm talking about illegal, like Lance Armstrong level.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah, they probably don't even know that it's illegal yet. I I'm like, I mean, he's a billionaire. Yeah. So the stuff that he can get his hands on, the stuff that he can, it's not even testable yet, would be in my opinion. Right. It's it's stuff that that's I mean, some of it might have been, but it it's it's stuff that they don't even know. It's brand new stuff. I I I would not put it, and I'm not even a conspiracy theorist like y'all are, but I I don't even need to be. I don't like labels. I don't subscribe. Uh but this I I completely agree. I I expect all of them to be.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

Yeah. And and I I am a past supporter of uh illegal use. I mean, and okay, like uh like the baseball era stuff. Like I'm like, bro, bro, let it let them rip, bro.

SPEAKER_06 7:55

Let's I think we should have an Olympics for people who want to use substances.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

It's a thing now. Is it? It's the enhanced games. They just started it this year. That's cool.

SPEAKER_05 8:09

That is, bro, the records that can be broken.

SPEAKER_03 8:12

They will be.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

Because you was on juiced up, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

You don't even have to worry about tapering off, or because I'm sure, I mean, they got four years in between stuff, you know. They can figure out how to taper off, you know, and and make things now. You might lose some life expectancy by 15 years.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

The thing about baseball was like they were going too far, man. Like they you could see Sammy Sosa killing himself. Like it was absolutely ridiculous how big he got, how absolutely unhuman he was. But how fun were those games to watch? It was amazing.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Sosa, Maguire, Barry Bonds.

SPEAKER_06 8:49

Entertainment value sky high.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

And I mean, let the guys I mean, I'm not trying to derail this conversation, but if put Barry in the Hall of Fame, for goodness sakes. That's not even a question. For goodness sakes. I'm not a baseball guy. This is y'all. Okay. Yeah. I mean, the the stats, I I see reels come up all the time of random stats from his first top couple of years. I mean, where he got on base more than he had at-bats. Because when you get walked, it doesn't count as an at-bat. Yes. So he got on base more his own base percentage was over a thousand.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

And there were there were games where he saw two strikes and hit two home runs. Like that's ridiculous. Or like they walk him a hole at bat, and then they throw him three balls, they throw him one strike the whole game, and that one strike just close enough for him to hit, and he would hit it out. And they couldn't throw it anywhere near the plate. He was it was the most ridiculous baseball I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_06 9:53

Oh, because they were walking him on purpose to stop him from hitting the ball.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

He's been walked with bases loaded. They just take a run so they don't so they don't score four. That is with him hitting it in the ocean, which was also another very fun part of his playing in San Francisco. Is they had an ocean right behind the stadium, and he'd there'd be people in canoes like like waiting on Barry Bond's baseballs. Like it was it was a sight to behold. Yeah. Wow. It was fun. He'd just be up there look like with a little league bat and smashing. Toothpick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

It's good stuff.

SPEAKER_06 10:34

Well, speaking of illegal substances, you can now get a subscription. Wow. Segue.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

That was impressive.

SPEAKER_06 10:44

You can now have a subscription to McDonald's.

SPEAKER_04 10:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 10:47

And it's about like $50 a month. They haven't rolled it out nationwide yet, but some stores are participating. I think it's like through the app, and you get X amount of food. It's not like an unlimited amount. I think it's like X amount of fries, X amount of drinks, X amount of all this kind of stuff. But you can just pay $50 and get your happy poison.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

I'm gonna have to do the math when I find out how many meals. Will it save you money? Will it would it save me money? Now, what I don't need is a reason to go to McDonald's. Yeah. I mean, uh, I would probably not do it even if it was unlimited. Not for the money's sake, but bro, if if I could eat all I wanted for 50 bucks a month. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 11:36

Life, life expectancy. Gone. Yeah. I mean, you're cooked. The weight is going right back on. Yeah. But I find it, I find it interesting that in this world of of uh micro payments, you know, you're paying fors, your uh subscriptions that keep rising every single year.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

Buy the stock, by the way. Because subscriptions. Buddy. You're talking about guaranteed money now. 100%.

SPEAKER_06 12:04

Netflix is my favorite stock, brother. Yeah. I got me some Netflix. Ooh, buddy, looking good. Yeah. Get you some subscriptions. But with this whole micropayment thing, the fact that it's now reaching the food industry, that they're playing with the idea of for us to continue to make more money with human habits, let's do a passive subscription income for us. That is wild that we're at that part in human history.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

Yeah. And what they know is the same thing Planet Fitness knows, which is they're gonna forget about it. Most people aren't gonna use it. You'll lose money on a few fat people like me, you know, who would use up all the $54 worth or whatever it is. But most people aren't gonna get, aren't gonna go enough times to max it out. And some people are gonna forget. Some people are gonna be like, oh, it's a good deal. And then, you know, well, I went to McDonald's twice last month. I might as well keep it. Yeah. You know, that's what they're banking on. It's gonna, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_06 13:07

Crazy. That's that opens the door for so like is it is it greed on McDonald's part or is it gluttony on ours?

SPEAKER_03 13:18

It's both. Supply and demand. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:23

A little bit of but man, we need to start uh Sunday morning subscriptions.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 13:29

Hear me out. Hear me out.

SPEAKER_05 13:32

Wow. Mamma, we gotta get with the times, man.

SPEAKER_06 13:37

You know what? You know, one chapter at one dollar. You feel me? And then one chapter. One chapter, one dollar, and you micropay for the next chapter with special pastoral, you know, uh one-on-ones. Oh, tiers.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Tears of subscriptions. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Come on now. So for a thousand dollars a month, you get one-on-ones with Pastor Jason. Yes. You get to come to all the services. Yes. And then Child care.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Child care. Stop this conversation before we get struck by lightning. Because there were there are two instances that came to my mind when y'all said that. One was Jesus clearing out the temple. Like that was the first instance that came to my mind. And he's not gonna be chasing me with the cat another through the temple. Number one. And the second one was that the Reformation is when Martin Luther, the 95 thesis, one of his main uh emphasis was indulgences. The fact that you paid for uh yeah, see, I'm not gonna get struck by lightning, and I'm not gonna have Martin Luther nailing something to our glass door because y'all had an idea in a podcast right now.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

No subscriptions at impact. No fun for us, no fun.

SPEAKER_06 14:57

Man, also to side note, this is just I don't know if it's on your guys' timeline, but it's on my feed. So you know you have the church of Scientology. The infamous church of Scientology, which is a very uh subscription-based church, for sure, where you get to know the secrets of the known universe, and yeah, you get to figure out who's at the top and who's controlling the world, and the more that you give into this thing and you study their books and their passages, uh very secretive organization. Not a whole lot of people know what's inside those buildings. A lot of our favorite celebrities are Scientologists, Tom Cruise. And they're climbing the charts, and they are, and especially if you go out west, like California, there are whole entire like dorm, like campuses dedicated to Scientology. And it's so secretive that we've just kind of let them be, like that let them be. I'm gonna call it a cult. Let the cult be on their own. However, the Gen Zers are like we want all the files and we want to know what's going on. So a trend that has been happening is that up to 15 to 20 Gen Zers at one time will rush the doors of the Scientology campuses and buildings with face cameras on their and their uh uh meta glasses and all that kind of stuff, and try to get as deep into like these deep runs into these buildings to figure out what's there. And for the first time ever, we're seeing clips and photos and files that have never been for been seen before because these Gen Zers are taking an interest and tearing down our cults and religions. Which to me speaks to a larger category of even in the Christian world, the Christian church, um, Christianity has been more. I think it's for the first time the categories are flipping to where it's like more Gen Zers are getting interested in Christianity than millennials are. And then atheist, I mean, I got something in my throat, but um, atheist ideologies are dying at an astounding rate, while uh Christianity and to a certain extent Islam as well is also rising amongst Gen Zers as they're looking for something definitive to hold on to. And they they attribute it to a lot of like the 2020 um pandemic and the feeling of hopelessness and the rise in depression and suicide rates, all this kind of stuff that they're looking for something substantial, but in their looking for something substantial, they're also coming across a lot of stuff that is just absolute garbage, and they are physically tearing down these places.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

They they physically were they like damaging it or they were yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 17:38

They're like they're like raiding the Scientology place. So not only are they just trying to capture like during whatever they they're gathering, or yeah, knock over a table, shuffle through the files, and just like like because they're like they're videoing it, so they're trying to flip through as many pages as possible. So when they go back and look at the footage, they can kind of slow it down and see. Like, is it illegal? Yes. But I find it incredibly interesting. Yeah, yeah. Find out what's there.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

I'm down, I'm down for it. Go ahead. Go ahead. I I mean, you know, one uh one big red flag that it might be a cult is it's secretive about what's inside. Um, so uh I'm not promoting any illegal activities. But I'll watch it.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

I kind of have mixed feelings about it because I mean, obviously, like the religious freedom, like when that's disrupted, like at some point we will be affected by that. Christianity, I mean, it already is, um, be affected by that. So I have that standpoint where like the what we're allotted here in our nation, the ability to to worship freely without disruption, like I value that. Um but also, I mean, there's thinking of you know Jehosaphat and and others in the old testament that idols had to come down. And so when you destroy and tear down um idolatrous uh settings and places and positions, uh if that's what this is, kind of what uh Gumelios said in the New Testament. If it's of God, it'll stand, if it won't, it'll fall. Yeah. So if if let the attacks come and when they come, and if it preserves and makes it through the scrutiny, then it's it's of God. And if it's not, which we know that it won't, uh then we can can know that it's not of God. And I hope it doesn't stand for it.

SPEAKER_06 19:31

Yeah, and you're also seeing it like there's this like uh I would say a more TikTok, YouTube insurgence of uh uh debating. Like there's a lot of debates with different religions, whether that be you know Hindu versus Islam or Christianity versus Jehovah's Witnesses. Like there's a lot of it happening, and a lot of it is being fueled by the growing Gen Z. Because like Gen Zers are now like entering or they're already in college, like they're becoming the new adults now, and so their interests are broadening. And I think it's so cool that they're coming to Christianity as like, all right, y'all are one of the big three. Let's see what you guys got here. And time after time, the these mature evangelists and apologists are having conversations with people and dominating. Yeah, yeah, and it's like, oh wow, this book that's been here for thousands of years can still stand the test of time now. Like that is some Holy Spirit-inspired stuff that's happening in it. I don't know. For me, it gives me like this fire and this fuel to be like what I have is the truth. Yeah, yeah, and it works on TikTok and Facebook and in the marketplace and at work and in my personal Bible study time, and it's been doing that not just me, but for millions of people in these different area codes or countries and elsewhere. And then you look across the ocean, you see people that are being taken over by other religions or other sects and literally persecuting and killing people for the same gospel that I have access to. And even in their death, I can rejoice because they're now with the Father, and they have the exact same information that I have. Like, I don't know, I feel uh I feel my help coming now, but I feel like it's just that is just an incredible community that gets to stand the test of time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

I love the fact that you know Jesus isn't scared of the questions, and so we have the truth. Uh Jesus is the truth, and I like the fact that it's being compared and contrasted with other false religions, and I like the curiosity, like the inquisitiveness of this generation. Um, and I same thing that I mean, you guys, we we all grew up in America, we all grew up in in uh you know, around Bible-believing people. And there's always that question in the back of your mind Am I a believer just because it's what I I grew into? Am I a believer just because it was the environment that I was surrounded by? Um, but I mean, I I think for you guys at the table, like there's been enough uh looking into our own faith to to know that it's not just uh uh Second generation or third generation thing that we've received. There's actually validity in this. And we've talked about him before, but like the Wes Huffs and others that God is definitely raising up for a time just like this, where there are so many questions, there are answers to those questions. And when there's when there's curiosity, there's uh proof and there's evidence and uh that uh information and revelation is there for us to be able to prove that that what we believe in is not a it's not a false claim. It's not a like I've quoted before, an opiate for the masses. We're not just trying to get through a time by you know thinking positively, like we actually Jesus lived, Jesus died, Jesus rose, and then everything else is built on that.

SPEAKER_06 22:46

Yeah. I also think about the scripture where he says, suffer not the little children to come unto me. Come on. Children come with questions, yeah. And they come with curiosity. Good. And the fact that he's like, don't keep these children away from me, but he invites them. And then he's like, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, your mind, yeah, and your soul. And it's like I get to use my intellect to discover God. And I feel like um for me lately, I've been really convicted of being ready to give an answer when it comes. Yeah, there's never, because I believe in the Holy Spirit and I believe in God, there's never an inquisitive answer that's gonna come to me that I'm not prepared for. And so it's like, man, I don't have to be afraid to follow up with somebody if I didn't have um to follow up with somebody or to go into questioning or go into these other. I get to have my my God-inspired intellect in this conversation and be ready to give an answer. And I feel like that's so loving and caring. And I'm so grateful that God would even put those ideas in the text for us to explore because we have strength in our numbers, we have strength in our relationship with Him. And so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Amen. Much like the story of Thomas, um, Jesus said, Excuse me, Jesus said, Blessed are those who believe without seeing. Um, but for Thomas, Jesus did something specific, came right to where he was. He was one of the disciples that said, I won't believe until I see him. Um, even with the reports of the other uh with the of the women and also the reports of the other uh disciples, he said, I won't believe. And Jesus specifically came into a room and opened his hand to say, Thomas, put your hand in my hand. These are the scars uh that I um I did for you. And that I think I think we're living in that generation of a Thomas generation. And I'm not critiquing or condemning Thomas. That was what he needed for his faith. And we are living in a Thomas generation where they want evidence, they want to know what are what are you saying? Is it real? Is it true? And I think Jesus is doing exactly what he did for Thomas. He's showing up, coming in spaces that he normally wasn't in, breaking through walls where there was no invitation, and showing this is the truth, this is who I am. Um, and then the statement is still true. Blessed are those who believe without seeing. And there's there's generations before that didn't have a lot of the evidence, information, the the validation that we have now, yet they still believed. They are blessed because they believed without it. But if this generation requires it and desires it, and if there's uh enough curiosity to do it, it's it's God isn't offended by that, he's not backed up by that, he'll walk right into the room without opening a door. And I feel like that's what he's done for our generation.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Amen. Yeah, I've I I agree completely. And uh I'm not about to prophesy the end times. Uh oh, come on now, talk about it. Uh but I I think I've kind of mentioned this before, but I really feel like it's God's grace to give, He could keep things as mysterious as he'd like to. Um, but I really feel like he's given, given, opening the floor. This is the truth, and I'm proving the validity of the scriptures, yeah, the the facts and and truths about God that that for years you had to wonder about, or only certain, you know, theologians maybe knew certain things. And now it's like things the book the book is being opened, the the truth is being revealed, the the scars are being shown. And I feel like it's it's for one thing we know is that we're we're we're closer to the Jesus second coming than we ever been. Yes. And I feel like uh I really feel like God's grace of whoever knows how long it'll last, could be a long time, could be a short time. But I really feel like it's uh I I see it as like a uh opening, uh invitation. Yeah, you see these things are false, you see this is true, uh will you believe it? You know, and I I really feel like that's happening.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

I'm I I'm just making sure I remember this correctly, but the word apocalypse actually means like uncovering or unveiling, and and that's exactly what it feels like is happening. It's the unveiling. The last book of our Bible is is re not revelations, revelation because it's about one person, it's the revelation of Jesus Christ, and that's what apocalyptic means. It's the uncovering, the unveiling of of who Jesus is, and he is doing exactly that. And and and and again, I I've I've been honest, the end times are probably the weakest part of my confident uh confidence in theology. Like I struggle with understanding how all the times and spaces fit together. Um, but I do believe that we are in a time where Jesus is revealing himself clearer than he's ever revealed himself. Um, and and I think there's purpose behind that and and revelation understanding behind that. Um, and I'm excited to be a part of a generation that's that's seeing it.

SPEAKER_06 28:18

I I say um 2819 Church just dropped that new worship song, Christ is Lord, and it's talking about like an end-time kind of uh worship song is how they describe it. And in listening to that song and some of the the things that God is doing through that church house, the the command of go and make disciples has been heavier in my spirit now at 30 than it ever has ever before. Because when you are going through discipleship, you are answering questions. Yeah, you are in community, you are uh going through the pruning process of my personal life that's not like God. I need to be molded and shaped and and and brought into my calling and my work, my my purpose. And it's like going through that that discipleship, I think I've longed for it more now than I ever have. Yeah. Especially as a young, uh, a young man, new in marriage. It's like I I desire that discipleship and then hopefully one day when the Lord releases me, releases me, to be able to mentor or be a disciple to somebody else. But I feel like I need to go through the process of having my own mentor and discipleship right now until that comes along. And just being able to give an answer, not even to someone else, but to myself.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:37

Just so I can stay under the discipleship of God and then go out and make more disciples. Um, has just been really, really, really sticking out to me now.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

You're already doing it, man. You're what you're doing on Real Talk, man. You're obviously all of us are being discipled and discipling at the same time. And so there's a um the old ones speak to the young ones, and there's a perpetual growth and expansion of the kingdom of God because you're further along than than others, and they look up to you and they admire you and they're watching your walk. And that that's discipleship, even for the discipler, because they're they're that's training them to be unselfish. It's training them to be uh think about someone else. It's uh my dad has said it a lot. He said, I don't know how um saved I would be if it wasn't for the requirement of my calling. And I I agree with that. And I don't I don't know how theologically, I'm not debating that the theology of what he said, but that's his practic, that's his practical testimony. He's like, I I would do a lot more things in my freedom, but my calling restrains me and restricts me. It almost forces me to grow. Yeah, it almost forces me to have to have to lean in and trust the Holy Spirit. It's it's the walking on water part that's uh it requires you to lean on Jesus more. And I think that's why he calls us out to disciple, to lead, to speak, because it just it further perpetuates the idea. Uh I'm gonna lead you to places that you can't do by yourself.

SPEAKER_06 31:15

Yeah. I'm also seeing, too, like every form of work, every form of purpose, every form of the gifts of the spirit all go back to discipleship.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:28

Like they reroute back to go and make disciples at every single point. So lately I've been um uh looking at uh, I think the other day I was looking at Adam, and one of the first things that God gave Adam was work. And when you study that word work, it means purpose, it means calling. But then he also had a job to do, which was naming the animals and tending the field and tending the garden. That was his job, but his work, his purpose was a separate from his job. So for me and my in my mind, it's like, yes, I'm a social media content creator, yes, I'm I'm editing, yes, I'm making videos. That might be my job, but the work that I do, I need to define that a little bit more so that my work doesn't mix up with my job. Because when I lose my job, now I feel like I lost my purpose. But that was never my purpose in the beginning. That was just the avenue in which I live through this world. But that wasn't the that wasn't the encasing, the shell, the spirit that I have. I think this going through the sermon series of the anointed ones. What are you anointed to do? Like what is your what is your avenue? What is your work? What is your purpose? How do I live and move? Because the people who I am either being discipled by, or as you say, walking into discipleship with, my work as a content creator doesn't help them get closer to God. But my the my job as a content creator doesn't help them to get closer to God, but the work that the Holy Spirit has given me to do will. And so, like that distinction for me is like I might be gifted in certain areas, I might have a talent in certain areas, but is that what I'm anointed to do? And that's kind of been my my takeaway from these last few weeks and sermons as we've been going through the anointed ones lately.

unknown 33:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

I was just thinking as you were talking, like the instruction was to be fruitful and multiply. And so that's a what a even as you're doing, whether it's content creation, being a husband, um, you know, hanging out with with real talk, it's it's who you are in every one of those settings that is actually that's and it fits in all of those settings because that's the work that God has called you to, is to steward what's in front of you, whatever you find your hand to do, um, do it heartily as unto the Lord. And all of that is is discipling others as they're watching you do social media creation or you know, or or loving your wife well, um, you know, uh taking care of responsibilities at home, at church. And uh all of that is the is the picture of it. What is it declaring? It's declaring that I'm submitted to somebody bigger than me. I'm I'm living beyond my feelings, I'm living beyond my emotions, I'm living beyond what I desire for the day. Uh someone is a lord of my life. I'm not lord of my own life. Um, and that's that's the safest place you can be. That you, I'm, I'm a, I'm a sheep, I'm a part of his shepherdship. I'm a part of his, the sheep of his shepherdship, and I'm being led by him. And that's uh that's the testimony, that's the discipling part of uh a true discipler isn't just giving information, it's showing how that uh your life is surrendered to someone bigger than you. Um, and I think nothing does that, like in every situation, every setting you find yourself in, I'm here by the help of the Holy Spirit, and He is enables me to do whatever's in front of me.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Yeah, Amen. Yeah, I feel like um something I've been thinking about, and uh is like you said, first of all, the sermon series has been fire. Absolutely. But um, but it's like thinking about like you're talking about the anointing and the things we put our hands to, and it's almost like we have we have the Holy Spirit. It feels like um the anointing in what we do is something that uh we lean into or submit to or give place to. It's like uh what Pastor Jason's saying, it's like it feels like that word, both both talking about the Holy Spirit and talking about the anointing, is almost like now it's on you, and now you go, you declare what you what you want to be done, you make things happen, you know. It's like it's almost like I'm empowered, and now I go do this. Yeah, and I think what Pastor Jason is saying, if this is if this if I'm on on point, is like, okay, um, it's not that the anointing is is from a a person of the Holy Spirit, and now I'm like that's something I'm leaning into. I'm giving place to him. Now, whatever you want to do with that is on you. I'm just telling you, I'm just showing with the way I live and with how that if you lead me, if you give me an unction to do something, I'm doing it. And I feel like that's when the anointing takes place.

SPEAKER_00 36:38

Yeah, so good.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

And then whatever you put your hands to, like Pastor Jason said, whether it's it's work, whether it's uh job, whether it's preaching, whether it's teaching, whether it's debating, whatever it is, that that comes with you is not not my will, but your will be done, you know.

SPEAKER_06 36:56

And then it has to grow.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:58

Like that there, the Holy Spirit leads us and guides us into all truth. And for forgive me if I'm outside of scripture here, so correct me. But there's always I've always seen growth or uh uh exponential um forwardship. This is that's not a word. I like it. But like uh forwardship, we won't keep it, that happens when the spirit falls upon you. So I think one thing that really stood out to me is when you read the Old Testament, it says the spirit fell on someone and they did something, but it doesn't say that it stayed. Right. It just it was like a little superpower, little, little, little juice, little Captain America juice. It came on you, you were able to speak, you were able to write, you were able to sing, you were able to battle, but then there was a there wasn't a point where it stayed. But now we have post-Jesus, and it says if he will stay with us until judgment, like forever. Yeah, now I don't, there's never a moment where I am without the anointing or without the Holy Spirit coming on me and and falling on me and speaking. Like I feel like I feel like that's such a an underrated but super powerful um connection, relationship that I get to have with the Holy Spirit, that maybe some of my favorite Old Testament people didn't necessarily have that level of connection.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Yeah, a hundred percent. The spirit oh the the spirit would fall. And then as you said, uh Pastor Jason said in the first uh I think the first part of the series, that that the first time that that spirit did rest was on Jesus when he came from the water, and then that now he says, I'm gonna give this to you.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

So good. I y'all, y'all. I'm I'm getting ahead of myself because y'all stirred some things in me. Y'all might go ahead, talk about it. Y'all might hear it in the next couple of Sundays, maybe. But um, I this will come out for another week or two. Such a great point that you said. So he came on uh people in the old testament for a task, yeah. And then in the new testament, he came on not just for a task, but for identity to seal. So it of course we we have giftings to do a job, but now the Holy Spirit is doing so much more than equipping us to do a job or to do a gifting, he's now transforming us in our identity, and that's what is the remaining with us, not just when we're preaching on a stage. That's that he can't so Samson, Gideon, he came on them so they could win a battle. And so he equipped them, gave them skillful hands, wisdom to be able to win a battle. But he has not just come to equip us just to do miraculous, you know, uh, you know, beyond uh our comprehension things. He's also equipped us to be able to go home and and clean the floor. Yeah. And in all of that, what is he doing now? He is transforming us. Our giftings are important, and that's why a lot of what we say uh this weekend, and RJ, you nailed it, man. Um, the the verbiage that that the New Testament uses for the body are words like vessel and mortal flesh, mortal body. Well, what is he? He doesn't need my equipment, he just needs a vehicle. He just needs somebody that'll say yes. Somebody that'll say, I don't have an agenda outside of yours, I don't have a will outside of yours, I don't have anything that I'm trying to validate. I'm not insecure to the point where I want to uh impress somebody with who I have a body and you need a body to do your speaking to the Holy Spirit, and you need a body to do your work in the earth. Here's my body. Yes, sir, is my life. I wish I had more. I wish I had, I wish I was six foot nine, and I wish I could play basketball well. I wish I could be like Tim Tebow. I wish I could stand in front of millions of people and share John 3.16. But I am who I am. I have I'm in the family that I'm at, I have the situation that I am, and whatever I have, however you want to use it, whatever you want to do through it, transform me. Allow the the deeds of my flesh that I was used to in the past to be mortified so that more and more my body, my words, my actions, my thoughts, they are in alignment to that. This is the this is the vehicle that the anointing flows in. Yeah, and that's that's that's my prayer. It's not a Jason and the Holy Spirit fighting for position. Yeah, it's Jason waking up and saying, My life, I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless, I live. It's not I living, but it's Christ that's living in me. So Jason does not exist anymore. He is a new creation in Christ, and now the only life that I desire to live is that which is Christ living out of a vehicle. And and so our our body goes back to the dust, but that's not the beauty of who we are. The beauty of who we are is the treasure that we get to carry in this earthen vessel.

SPEAKER_06 42:05

Amazing. I used to get um, I used to get annoyed when I see really successful people be like, How did you become so successful? And they'd be like, It was God. Not gonna lie, I'm like, brother, you have got to give me a lot more detail than that. You are a multi-billionaire, you have 40 properties, you have uh of a family that is so strong and so secure and all this kind of, and I used to be like, What do you mean God? Like that, okay, yes, of course it's God, but there has to be something more. Did you read a book? Did you take a class? Like, how did you grow your social media power from this point? I don't know. I'll just I prayed and I trusted God. And now I'm in a point in my life where how naive was it to me for me to think that it was God plus something else? Yeah, if I have the Holy Spirit and He says, I will lead you and guide you into all. The word all in Greek means all. Come on, it means everything. So what is all includes my finances, it includes my relationships, it includes my loneliness, it includes um the way I relate to the world, it's the it includes the way I speak about politics or things that are happening in the world, it includes the way that I live in this area in this time. All means all. So when he says I will lead you and guide you into all truth, that includes my business ventures as well. So why would I not connect myself to someone who has the attribute of all knowing this? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like lately, I've been this is really like literally Bible study disappointment with wifey. It was just like all he requires us to do, all right, literally on our Bible study this morning. So we have a lot of decisions that we need to make in life as we are starting this journey of our lives. We're out of the honeymoon ish phase, and it's like, okay, now we gotta lock in on certain things. And my intellect tells me that I need to know my next 12 steps.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Right.

SPEAKER_06 43:55

The Bible tells me all you need is one.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

Come on.

SPEAKER_06 43:58

The comfort that I Have in knowing my one step is stronger than the comfort that I have knowing my 12.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Come on.

SPEAKER_06 44:06

If I get a dry erase board and I write out all 12 steps and how many years it's gonna take and how much money there's gonna be, I'm going to get through all that list and have it planned out. And by the end of that list, I'll have anxiety and not comfort.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:21

Because now I have to stick to all 12 steps. When the Bible says, just go to Nineveh, just go to Egypt, just tell Pharaoh, let my people go. Just don't eat the fruit from this tree. They only had one step. Why? Because the rest of the steps belong to God. And when I try to map out all 12 steps, my intellect only leads me to more anxiety.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

Was this your argument to your wife for all the winning blinning?

SPEAKER_01 44:57

I only know my one step. I gotta get a suit. I gotta get a soup.

SPEAKER_06 45:03

And that's the only step I have. But no, it's it's like, but but then when I sit with it, I'm like, God, I thank you. Yeah, that you've only given me one thing to think about in this moment. Like if I believe that God is truly a God outside of time, space, and matter, He already sees all the steps in every way. And I have I get to sit in the comfort, in the peace, and the knowledge of just laying this one break, just taking this one step, and he guides the rest. That is my relationship lately with the Holy Spirit of leading me.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:36

When somebody is walking in front of you, you don't see what they see.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Yeah, yeah. Yes, sir. So the seek first the kingdom. Yes. And all these things will be added under you. I think that's the thing that we learn in the valley most of the time is that the one the is the focus on the one that matters. It's always that, okay, when you strip away everything else, there's one that's still there. Like this is this is the one, like you realize you're like, okay, now it's too bad many times we have to be stripped of everything to realize he is everything that we need. But then when he when we build back up, back to the mountaintop, it's a different, it's a different feeling there. It's a different understanding there of not like, hey, if you Paul said, you know, I've been up and I've been down, you know, but I've I can do all things. It's like the understanding that, hey, wherever you take me, if it's back in the valley, I've been there before. I'm comfortable there. I know I like I know I know what to expect there. I know I'm gonna learn something about God that I didn't know before. I'm gonna learn something, I'm gonna something's gonna be stripped off of me that needed to be stripped off so I can see what I need to see, so I can, you know, be who I'm supposed to be. And and it's like it's this beautiful, like you said, it's like a journey. It's the um, it's why I have I have issues with people, I'm I'm kind of briefly mentioned it earlier, but always declaring and and not nevertheless, not my will, but your will. It's the I'm praying for a job, I'm praying for healing, I'm praying for this, and I'm saying, but but God, you're in control. Yeah, and I know uh uh Nolan wanted me to read um uh the about Ashak Meshach this week. And so I was like, word. So I I didn't grab the the uh the kids' Bible this time. I said, let's let's let's he's graduated. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go. And so, you know, it's the um if you throw me into the fire, I am sure my God is able to save me. But even if he doesn't, yeah, that's that's my favorite part in the whole chapter. Even if he don't, I tell you what, I'm still not gonna bow to anything other than him. And that's the thing that gets forged in the fire, and that now I'm living everyday life as this understanding of who I'm doing everything for, and not just for who's doing everything through me, who's growing in me, who I'm learning. It's like this everyday, the beautiful thing about him resting and living and and indwelling in us is that we just get to be a part of the journey. And I know, yes, it's like it doesn't mean that you don't work, it doesn't mean that you don't do everything in your power to do the things that you know um your next step, the next thing that he's told you to do, the next thing you feel led to do. And if you don't feel any of those things, do your do your best to seek, find, knock, and and put your best foot forward. But it's like the journey is him. Yeah. It's like whether he takes me, uh, whether he blesses my business to be a multi-million dollar business, or it's just enough to get by. I I'm not, I no longer think about those things. It's like this isn't, I mean, I you think about them, but that's not my that's not my purpose in life. It's like my purpose is to know him. Yes. You know, I don't everything else, and when everything else is stripped away, it's like, God, I want to know you. And then I want everybody else that's connected to me to know you. It's like this, I want my family to know you. And then that's when those things like the things you do day to day, the character, the things that people see, it's like that helps you, that helps them see him.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

You know, it's like it's just, I don't know. I don't know. It's so good. Isaiah, you said something when you started talking. You were like, you were listening to someone who is successful, and you wanted to know how they were successful, and they just said it was God. And my heart just stirred when you said that because I like it made so much sense to me that all in line with what you guys are saying, the desire to want to know a formula and and which creates copycats, creates duplicates, creates you know, um, you know, someone uh being or appearing like someone else. Why? Because they want to know the formula that someone else used. And in my opinion, and I say this with all love, like that is the highest place of unbelief. And that is a very deep place of unbelief because you believe you see God working in someone else's life, and you want to imitate that rather than trusting that the same God that's in them is, and the uniqueness of my fingerprints is the uniqueness of the way God wants to use my vessel. And I and and however God is used, you guys, it doesn't because God is too multifaceted for him to be, if if he's so unique with my fingertips, right, my um and that I'm my fingerprints that I am so unique from anybody else, why do I think that God is gonna go through the same formula to bring about my success or prosperity as he does with somebody else? And the the trust is I if God if God is with me, I don't care how he's blessed RJ or how he's blessed Isaiah, I'm gonna rejoice with them when they're rejoicing, I'm gonna celebrate them when they're winning and believe that God he loves me, he's good, he's got good thoughts, and he's with me. Yeah, and I have everything that I need for the season that I'm in. And if he needs me to have it, if he needs me to know it, if he's gonna do it in me, whatever it is, I'm on plant, I'm on water, and the increase belongs to the Lord. And that level of trust to say, say I the Holy Spirit is here. I don't have to imitate what I see somebody else doing in the natural. I just want to be the full version of whoever the Holy Spirit wants to use my vessel to be, and that's enough. If it's two people, if it's 20,000 people, if it's if it's washing a toilet or or preaching to a million. Whatever the Holy Spirit needs in the earth, and can you think or imagine what it is for millions, billions of people around the world to say, Holy Spirit, you can use me. Yeah, you can use my whole life, it is yours, whatever you want to do with it. And now you got billions of little Christ walking around with the same mentality that Jesus had. I don't do anything unless my father tells me to do it. I don't say anything unless my father tells me to say it. Now you got billions of little demon chasers and and and and bold, strong, loving, kind. Yes, sir. Come on. And they're walking in. I'm I'm I'm I'm an I'm an ambassador from another world. Yeah, I'm a vehicle that the Holy Spirit is in. Yeah, take my body, it doesn't matter. And I know that's strong language to say, but Paul said it, and I don't know that I can, I'm all the way there, but I'm I'm I'm feeling like take what are you gonna do to me? You can't take if the Holy Spirit has me here for a moment, if he has me here for a time, then I just want to do that. And if I'm like, great, if I'm not, it doesn't matter. And I think you made fun of me earlier about being 40-something. I think these are things that I've I've just started learning in the last couple of years. It's just the confidence of saying, why in the world would I waste a moment trying to be like somebody else, trying to care if somebody uh valued what I had to offer? It's not mine anyway. It doesn't belong to me. It's not mine, it's not a personal attack against me. It's it's if if it's if it's good comes out of me, it's him. And if you don't like that, then take that up there with him. And if it's bad, then I'm gonna pray that God sanctifies and cleans me, washes me, but don't blame that on him. Um, so that I know that's kind of simplifying life, but I think it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_06 54:17

And and so talking about the Holy Spirit, talking about the person of the Holy Spirit. We've been doing this throughout our Sunday sermons and stuff. One of the first this this is this has come to me lately with the way I've been studying the Holy Spirit. One of the first things we know about the Holy Spirit is that he hovers over chaos. Yeah. Genesis 1, verse 2.

SPEAKER_05 54:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:36

This the what is it? Uh let me quote it correctly. And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the spirit moved over the face of the waters. That word move, when you begin to do all the nerdy stuff and you study it, it means to fertilize, it means to assess, it means to uh to shake, to move. There was a assessing that happened, and immediately after the spirit did his job, there was light immediately after. So the same thing, and when he says in the new testament, I'll lead you and guide you. Um, the same thing he did in the old testament, and he was like the spirit of the Lord fell on them, and then they were able to move through chaos, whatever that chaos was, or the spirit of God following the spirit, uh, Holy Spirit falling on the dead of Pentecost, and everybody understood. There was a lot of languages going on, but still and yet everybody understood. He is the chaos assessor. Yeah, and if that's what he was then, what makes me think that my chaos cannot be assessed by the one that assessed the chaos of the void that was here at the beginning of time. Powerful to me. No wonder, no wonder I get to trust and lean on and and and put my love in this whole the person of the Holy Spirit to lead me and guide me because He's been doing, He's not new to any of this. He's been doing this. Yes, sir. Anyway, I can go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 56:03

No, I love it. And then we learn, we get to, we're talking about like submitting ourselves to God, and we get to the beautiful thing about our God, our eternal triune God is that amongst the Trinity, you get the submission, yes, sir, you get the humility, yes sir. You got God, the Father, sent the Son, gave him all authority, all power. The Son says, I'm not gonna do anything unless the Father tells me to do it. And he says, not only that, but he uh he the spirit he leaned to the spirit to do the work he did on the earth. And it's like you see this beautiful, and then the spirit comes, he points back to Jesus. Yes, and then Jesus points to God, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:55

And Jesus says, I can't, I can do the same things the father does because I can do it too.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Yeah, yeah, brother. It's it's this beautiful, like um co-eternal, co essential, uh, but a submission to yes, because the father, the son, the spirit, all first of all, there's there's no there's no it's there's no just powers. It's they're they're we talked about the word doesn't have to be perfect, but it's they're persons, yeah, like they're they are he's like and and then you see the submission one to another. The the Jesus has the power to do whatever he wants to do. And he says, I submit to the Father. Yes, the Spirit can easily, I mean, he was there in creation, everything. I mean, he is the the expressor or or the efficiency, the applicator of God's will talks in the world. He could say, look at what I did. Instead, his purpose is pointing to Christ, and you get this in in the revelation of the Trinity. You get, okay, so who am I? Yes, who am I to not submit to that?

SPEAKER_06 58:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

When they submit one to another, yes.

SPEAKER_06 58:16

Then you go into Hebrews and you see where the Father worships the Son and calls the Son God. Yeah, and then you look at the Son with the disciples, and he says, I'm not leaving you with somebody you've never met before. Yeah, you already know the Spirit, he's already been here with you. That's another one.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Mind bloat, brother. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

I was hoping you were gonna get to John 17 too. So how make powerful Jesus' prayer in the upper room? He's like, now, Father, I I I am, I do everything that you tell me to do. Now make them one as we are one. And now the instruction to the body is to be. I that I agree. John 17 is one of those statements that grounds me as believing in the triune Godhead, because it it makes no sense to me that he would pray, make them one as we are one, because it's not the same one, it's not the same one. There's distinction there, there's there's uh not separation, but there's distinction, the distinctiveness there. And then he prayed, let them be one as we are one. Exactly what you're saying. That's why the the writing in the New Testament, submit one to another. It's that love, it's the it's the thinking of someone else above yourself. Amen. Philippians 2 thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation. Now marriage works because of that. Yes, sir. Family works because of that, church works because of that. The working of the Holy Spirit, that's his work, is to bring a unity and a oneness of submitting one to another in humility and love. Yeah. Uh, desiring someone's betterment even over your own. Amen. That's powerful, man.

SPEAKER_06 59:54

There has to be three persons. It doesn't work without the three persons being there. Somebody explain it to me this way. God is not like his creation at all. There is nothing that you cannot point to anything in creation and be like, God is like water. He can be steam, he can be a liquid, and uh be a solid. It don't work like that. He's not like anything in his creation. So check this out. This is an analogy that helped me like grasp it without being heretical. Um, a rock is a being. Being means just an existence, it exists somehow. A rock is not a person, you can't communicate it with it, you can't relate with it, it can't talk back to you. It is just a rock. A human, we are one being, we're human beings, and we have one personhood, which means there's only one of me. Thank God there's not multiple of me, because that would be crazy. But we get to relate with one another. You can actually go and have a conversation with Isaiah. You can speak to Isaiah about his desires. Isaiah is there. God says, not only am I a being, but I'm three he's while still being one being. Now he's something else. That that is an other dimensional something there that he can be one being and three persons. And then he can say, I don't need anything outside of myself to exist. Which means the way that God loves within his one being is there without us having to love him. Yes, sir. Because the son loves the father, the father loves the son, the spirit loves the father and the son, and it just keeps going there. They already had it at eternity's past. The love was already there. Joy is not something that God has to go outside of his being to find. Because you see where the son rejoices in the Lord and the and the and the father rejoices in the son, and the spirit dwells in between. It was already there. Peace was already, he's the prince of peace. He already had it. Worship. He doesn't need worship outside of himself because the Bible shows us that they have given praise to one another back and forth. So it's like, why would I not trust this being that has three E's, that is so incredibly interested in my life to give me personalized instruction on a random Tuesday night in Greensboro, North Carolina for me and my personal watch. That is no other God can stand before him. Everybody else is a cheap imitation because you created that idol within time, you gave it matter and you gave it space on yourself. But that is not even a person, it's just a being. It just sits there and exists. Anyway, that was my nerd, my nerdiness coming out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

I love it. And it's like you can't you think of all the examples that you can think of, and even in the Bible or in the earth, and none of them, I don't want to fool myself and ever assume I I get it all. Like there's he's he's bigger. I believe that the one of if not the best thing about heaven is to be to have the full veil lifted of being able to see and understand and know uh who God is in its in its fullness. Um but one of the when you said uh examples, I think one of the one of the best uh earthly examples I can think of is the sun, the sun analogy. Yeah, it's like the the sun and the beams of light and the heat from the beams. Yes, it's like the the sun is the source, the the beams are eternally begotten from the sun, and then the heat proceeds from the beams of light. It's like you can't if you you can't remove the beams from the sun, you can't remove the heat from the sun. Yes, it's all together in one, but they are three. I mean, it's not a perfect example, yeah, but it may help some people put it in.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:00

You know, you know what my favorite one is? What is that? The Trinity is like Neapolitan ice cream. Walk with me, walk with me, hear me out, hear me out. All right, let me know. Let me know if I commit a heresy. You have Neapolitan ice cream, yeah. Chocolate, vanilla, strawberry. Classic. If you remove the strawberry, is that Neapolitan ice cream? No. So you have to have the strawberry, all three flavors to make one ice cream.

unknown 1:04:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:31

Hold on. Did I cook? Did I commit a heresy in there? I don't know. Right into the show and let me know. I did. I saw somebody on TikTok. I probably shouldn't uh repeat that, but I saw it on TikTok. It was like it was like, wait a minute, Neapolitan ice cream, that might work. I think your son's analogy was way better than mine, though. I like that. I like that. I'm gonna think about that every time I eat ice cream. You can't remove one and not have Neapolitan ice cream, they all work together, but they're three separate flavors.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

Neapolitan is Elohim. Hey, you feel me? Okay, you're working with me now. I'm trying. Within the Neapolitan, there are three flavors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not not separate, but distinct. Now you're getting it, brother. You with me now. It's one in essence.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:31

It's one container, it's one in essence. Three in flavors. We've gone off the road. No, it's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

Y'all agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:44

Man, Trinity is one of my favorite subjects um to discuss, especially when it gets to the Old Testament. And you see where David calls the spirit God. And you see Zachariah um allude to something that's coming later. It's just, it's just so Trinity is one of my favorite things to study, and maybe we'll get into a whole podcast. Of just like Trinitarianism versus everybody. Yeah. That'll be fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:08

It's been trending lately. It has been trending. Love you, Bishop.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:13

Really heavy. Yeah. Lately. And in different, in different sex, though. I feel like other religions too are trying to use the Trinity as a combatant against Trinity Christianity, as why it's not true, because you can't have something that's like that. But then you have these Christian philosophers that come out and say, Well, according to relative fill-in-the-blank, you can be these ways. It works in this formula. And it's so cool to feel like the intellect that God gives us, and no matter what field we come from, whether you're coming from historically, I can show you what the Trinity is. Psychologically, I can show you what the Trinity is. Philosophically, I can show you what the Trinity is. And it works in every single one of these categories. I find it absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

That's awesome. I love it. I love it. There's no better uh interest for us to have.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:08

In knowing the anatomy of what God is. Go ahead. Oh, I felt I felt like you had a stirring. I thought he was about to thought he was about to hit us with it. Man, we appreciate y'all for listening to the deeper roots podcast. This is this was actually a deeper roots podcast. Last week was just deeper, no roots. Yeah. But this week, but like a deeper roots podcast. Appreciate y'all for listening. You can write into the show. Now, somebody actually came up to me last week and was like, I can't find the the fan mail button. All you gotta do is click. You just yeah. That was my wife. Oh, well, see, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:51

See, now you name dropping. I wasn't gonna name an accent to it. You sounded like that for a disrespect. That sounded very specific. I wasn't gonna name no names. But yeah. Does she sound?

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I'm not gonna do that.

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Let's see. I can't find the button. Like, what how do I write into the podcast? Like, I got you. So you have to click into the episode. Like, click into it. Hit all the buttons, click into the episode, and then right underneath that play.

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SPEAKER_06 1:08:27

That we need to start saying that.

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Then right up under there.

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SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

No rockets.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:46

Okay. All right. See y'all next week.