Should Christians Be Rich

New York is popping off after a game night, and not in a good way. We start by talking through the postgame chaos and why sports fandom can never be a free pass to act violent, especially when regular people are just trying to get home safe. Then we get into the basketball side, too: how a team blows a huge lead, what coaching should do to stop a run, and why “slow the game down” is basically wisdom for life.

From there, a viral headline takes us somewhere deeper: a trillionaire story and the question behind it. Does God want Christians to be extremely wealthy? Is wealth a blessing, a byproduct of wisdom, or sometimes a trap that makes faith unnecessary? We push back on prosperity gospel thinking, talk about biblical examples of rich believers, and keep coming back to motive and stewardship. Money can fund real help for real people, but it can also reveal what we worship when nobody is watching.

We wrap with two moments that hit close to home: a scary pool-day accident where a kid’s tooth gets knocked out and a dentist puts it back in within the time window, plus a proud dad update about a daughter’s graduation and major scholarships. If you care about faith and finances, Christian stewardship, and real-life stories that make you rethink what matters, this one is for you.

Subscribe for more, share this with a friend who debates money and faith, and leave a review so more people can find the show. What do you think: is it okay to be rich and Christian?

Transcript

Welcome Back And Fan Shoutouts

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This is the Deeper Roots Podcast. We're four hosts talking about a range of topics from life to godliness. You guys know. I feel like everybody, like, okay, here's my here's my thought and my dream is that when I'm giving these talks, somebody's in their car or like on the treadmill, and they say it with me. Because they know it by now. You know, like when I listen to the Breakfast Club, yeah, I would I would quote it with them DJ Envy and DJ Envy and Validis. We are the Breakfast Club. Like I would say it with them because it was like a whole thing. Maybe I'm just having a moment right now. Appreciate y'all for y'all saying it with me. Today's pod is without its holiness.

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Mmm.

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Pastor Jason is not here today. Pastor Jason is not here. We'll be a little unhinged, but we're still gonna get to some deeper roots at some point in this podcast.

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Yeah, the last time he was here, we did not. We did not touch it. So we'll try.

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We'll we'll see what happens. Um, but first, we want to thank you guys for listening and for you guys for watching on YouTube and commenting down below. We really appreciate that. We actually got a comment from our day. Shout out our day. He said, This uh speaking on the podcast where he talked about do I need to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian? Which is our most viewed YouTube video to date. Oh, nice, nice great, great conversation, boys. He says, This was good. I'm not a pastor, but every time he says, But Pastor, I want to jump in and answer so bad. Good job, you guys. That's one of my favorite quotes of the pod. But Pastor. Yeah. Pastor Jason always kind of rolls his eyes a little bit.

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SPEAKER_01 2:33

That's literally what I was sitting here thinking. Like, I wonder what episode, and you told us, but I still forgot.

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And I forgot which was the best one. Probably was. It probably was. That was the episode that was gonna give us that Netflix deal, and I lost it.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

That's all right. That's all right. We don't believe in momentum as children of God. Ooh, no. Pastor Jason Wood said on Sunday.

New York Postgame Chaos And Safety

SPEAKER_02 2:55

But speaking of losing it, New York. New York, y'all are losing it. Y'all losing a plot. I'm not talking about the game. I'm talking about what's happening in the garden. I'm talking about what's happening outside the garden.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Buddy. Crazy. What's the wild wild west on 7th Avenue right now?

unknown 3:18

Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

You I not only are they just tearing up the landscape, tearing down poles, but if they see you in a black and silver jersey, my guy, you are marked. Yeah. Target practice. Yeah. I don't think it's right. I think as a fan, you should be able to go to the sports arena with your family, wear whatever you want to wear, and walk out unscathed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:41

Here's exactly how that should go. Talk about it. Hey. You know. Take hey, Spurs fan. You suck. Take off that jersey.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

No, you suck. All right, we'll get your next game.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

You know, like that's that's it. Yeah, yeah. Buddy, do you know how strong you gotta be to rip a jersey off a man? Them jerseys ain't they look they're durable, especially if you get yourself some some high quality jersey material. Oh yeah. You rip my jersey off my body, first of all, buddy, you can have it. Yeah, all right. You're strong enough to rip a jersey off my back, you can't have it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

I mean, I uh I'm a principled guy. You know, I'm a man, but if I got a hundred people following me, you can have the jersey. I'm taking it off. I'll take that L. $150 gone, but I'm okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

I got my life.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Yeah, it's it's wild, it's it's crazy. Um at first my thought was that you know, maybe like was so I first I was upset, like, hey, these Knicks fans are crazy. But now after after the last game, they won and the same thing happened. So I don't think I don't even know if these guys are really Knicks fans. They can't be they're just looking for an excuse, for an excuse to be crazy, violent, violent, and uh I mean I seen a video this morning of them raiding, I think, a five guys. Yeah, they ran into the five guys and just shut it down. Yeah, it was like uh two young black guys working, yeah, and then they just ran, they were like slamming chairs on the guy, he got blood coming out of his mouth, just for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Yeah. I I also think too that possibly He didn't even have a Spurs jersey. He didn't, he was just at work, yeah. And I think too, because there's so many people concentrated in one spot, any crime that happens that's apart from the actual game or fans, it just gets lumped in. Yeah. Because it it's the same night. So it's I don't I don't know, man. Praying for safety out there. And then also, too, whoever threw that egg at Win Ben Yama needs to get an NFL contract. I'm not gonna lie. That was perfect aim, but back in the head with an A. You know how hard it is to throw an egg accurately? Yeah, that's tough. Get that man a contract.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

I once got kicked out of Walmart for throwing eggs.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Well, that needs an explanation. You're gonna have to tell that story.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Okay. Well, me uh when I was a teenager, me and a couple of my friends, um, you know, we were bored. Back in the day, you know, you didn't have as many things to do. So, you know, you know, we we went in Walmart, and one of us had the idea of going and grabbing uh carton of eggs, and we went back to the back of the shoe section where it was a little hidden where nobody was at. Probably eight o'clock at night, if I had to guess.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

And we just started launching eggs. I think the the first one I threw, I just remember him like, yay! We were just launching eggs, and eventually the manager, you know, and kicked out, banned for life. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Um, supposedly I've been banned from all Walmarts. Um God. But God.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Hey, he will restore Yes, he will. Yes, he will. Everything back to you. Speaking of restoration, I don't have actually I don't have a segue for this one. This this one is this one's kind of crazy. Wait, you just skip over the game completely though? Oh, talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

No, I mean, I'm just asking the actual game. Oh, the actual game. I mean, I know you want to talk about the streets and what's going on, but okay, I got it.

The 29 Point Comeback Breakdown

SPEAKER_02 7:58

Here we go. Speaking of restoration, oh yeah, that's why I thought it was come back though, yeah. Down 29.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

You climb the ladder and come back, and then OG and anobi should be able to eat anywhere in New York for free for life.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

OG, I get Brunson was a huge part, but MVP.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

OG, OG's MVP.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Yeah. I mean, the way he played, first of all, I mean, going through it seemed like he was the one. After they had momentum, it felt like Brunson kind of started taking over. But without momentum, OG was still putting up great numbers.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yeah. Doing what needs to be done. Even with with with with the with the sometimes Brunson goes into like a just brick city. Yeah. And then other times it's the most creative layup packages I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Yeah, yeah. You're like, that there's no way he's gonna make that. He made a couple of those down the stretch that I'm like, was he even looking at the goal? I think he just throwing it up there, bro.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah, hoping it go in.

SPEAKER_03 9:11

And um, but that tip buddy, I mean the timing. But I just knew I was like, this game, and I unfortunately, I made a post on my story about how much I was enjoying a 30-point blowout. Yeah, and none of the Knicks fans had nothing to say till the game was over. They went back, went back and found my story.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Aged like milk.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

Yeah, yeah. Bro, who comes back from 30? That is crazy. That was that is crazy. Now, I can't. And I did say I was enjoying it because I had to clear myself up with one of the guys. I said, hey, this is not about the game. I was I've been pulling for the Knicks, all right. This is not about the game, it's about how they were acting.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Yeah. Now, of all the violence is happening inside and outside the garden, I do not condone violence towards any one person individually.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

If I did condone such actions, De'Aaron Fox gotta catch these hands.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Okay. Hear me out. Oh gosh. Hear me out. Talk about it. I don't think people are saying that that's kind of like J.R. Smith years ago. Worse. It's not worse.

SPEAKER_04 10:31

It's worse.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

It's not how is it worse? J.R. Smith was wide open under the bucket, and he had a brain lapse. Fox, he's first of all, he's one of the fastest people in the league. He he seemingly had a wide open lane up by one. But OG and Anobi. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

But he had time. He could have just ran out the time. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

Okay, but they here's what happens that they run out the clock. What was it, maybe 15, 20 seconds on the clock?

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Possibly. I think, yeah. It was less, it was enough for him to be able to end the game or get foul.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

He would have got fouled. Then it's it's a one-point game. At best, it's a three-point game. They still get the ball back. But he just makes this wide open layup.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

It's still a three-point game. They still get the ball back.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Probably more time.

SPEAKER_03 11:23

But I feel like you have a better chance at making that layup than you do. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Buddy, the right thing to do. I've tried. I know you trying, you're trying so hard. The right thing to do was to just go.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

The right thing to do was to was to act like you were going for a layup and then go down to the corner and then get trapped and have the ball stolen from you.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Or get fouled. No, I'm just kidding. Because I mean, he even said he thought he could outrun OG. So if you think you could outrun OG, play keep away at that point in time. But this is me sitting at home, not in the NBA, watching the game, that I can actually go back and look at hindsight. The pressure's not on me. The lights aren't on me. It's not my first time in the finals of this tremendous facing the team that just came back from 29 down, and now I'm trying to keep this one-point lead. So it's easy for me to say that I would have. But at the same time, for a moment, I did think. Now, if he was wide, wide open, which I guess that's what he thought he was going to be, I probably would have gone for the layup.

SPEAKER_03 12:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

But I get what he's saying. Like either way, it's a three-point difference. If I hit the layup, they gotta hit a three now versus, like you said, the pressure of me maybe missing the free throws. But you know, that's what you do as a professional. Yeah. Um, either way, you should be comfortable. But that Dearon Fox has been in the league for 10 years. He's 28, the oldest. He should be the vet on the game. He's a vet. No excuses. Let's keep it up bug, though. They should have never been in that position anyway. Yeah. They were up 29 freaking points.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

We're not, I won't allow us to blame the entire game on him. No. Because they were up 29. And I mean, honestly, I think this is the biggest loss on the coach. The coach. If yes, I mean, you bro, you're down. First of all, he hit I felt like there was a lot of times he should have called a timeout, he didn't.

SPEAKER_02 13:22

Right.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

I feel like there was a like when they're on these big runs and he's not calling timeouts.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Stop the run.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

And then also, like, you're not they didn't slow the game down. They they was taking shots very early in the shot clock. It's like when you're up, bro, you need to take your time, slow the game down. You got the biggest guy in the league. First of all, I had this conversation before the game. Why, bro? I know he's got perimeter skills. Get that big man under the goal and throw it to him.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

Like, bro, people did that since Name Smith made up the game of basketball. You take the biggest guy and you put him under the basket. For one, if he was under the basket and not trying to guard Jalen Brunson on the perimeter, he would have got that rebound and not OG.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

You know, and I still blame De'Aaron Fox for that. Here's why. Wemby did not need a double team from De'Aaron Fox. De'Aaron Fox left OG and Nanobi free at the three-point line.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

When the when he when Brunson missed it, OG had a clear path to the basket because he left Jamans.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Still blame De'Aaron Fox. So the thing they teach you in basketball is when a shot goes up, find a body.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Nobody found a body. Nope. They all just jumped and went for the ball, which I get. They're young. I mean, Harper's, what, 19?

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Um rookie. I I get it. Uh, I mean, Wimby could have hit two free throws earlier in the game, same scenario. If I mean, I can't really blame this on Cat because he did hit his free throws, but if he had been able to hit the layup before the free throw, it could be a different story. If Kat doesn't put his finger on the ball on the very last tip play, it could be a very different story. But at the end of the day, they shouldn't have blown it. Um, I do agree coaching should have stepped in way earlier. Harrison Barnes wasn't even on the floor in that 20-point comeback or that 20-some-point run. I feel like that his experience of being in the championship, he could at least slowed him down to settle down. Because listen, we're talking about one shot.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

You need experience in that time. Like, like with the lights on, you don't have no momentum at all. Like they went cold, but they were still jacking up threes non-stop. It's like I get that's today's basketball. But bro, go to the hoop and either get fouled or make a make a close range shot, yeah, and slow the game down. When you when you don't have no momentum, you got to slow it down. And they they refused to do it.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

They didn't. We'll see what happens tonight. Is it tonight? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. They get a little rest. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Uh, side note, the hurricanes are up in the series right now. That's really exciting. Yeah. Uh the World Cup has started this week. That's also exciting. It's also fun to see people who have never been in America before experience America and they're like, Taco Bell's the greatest thing to happen in history. Because they've never been to a Taco Bell, to a podcast. That's pretty cool. But thinking about slowing things down.

Trillionaire Talk And Christian Wealth

SPEAKER_02 16:37

This week, history has been made for humanity. For the first time ever in human history, one man has a bank account that has a trillion dollars in it. Shout out Elon Musk. The world's first trillion. Do you know if he were to spend a million dollars every single day just spending, not gaining, but just spending, it would take him 3,000 in 31 years to go broke.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Well, he is probably spending way more than that every day with the businesses he runs. But he's probably not gonna run out. Never not to correct anything you said, but he doesn't have a trillion dollars in his bank account. That's all right. He's worth he's worth a trillion dollars. The companies he owns is worth it.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Now he owns several very large huge I mean he might be the greatest business man of all time.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

We gotta say he is.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

He has to be.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

He's also, I mean, let's put he's also a weird genius.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

He's weird, he's weirdly built in general.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

He's the guy people people get upset at this, but he's the if you want some type of person to have a lot of money, he's the type of person you want to have a lot of money because he's doing stuff. He is that's that's true. Like he's that's true. You want you want us to get to Mars? Sure. You want to build underground railroads, tunnels, gotcha. Yeah, you want to, you know what? Like he's I feel like he might end up, or he'll do things like sell thousand dollar flamethrowers online, you know, like you did like a decade ago. Like cool stuff, you know. It's like this is the guy. Yeah, look, because if you gave us a trillion dollars, the world would be we're not doing what Elon Musk is going to do with it.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

I'm glad you said that because now I have a question. Talk about it. Do you feel that God operates the same way when it comes to viewing his people about how he would distribute who should be wealthy and who should not be wealthy? Because you made a very good point about with the money and doing something with it. Yeah. And doing something that's not just because notice the things you said, it's like they asked somebody, it's like, okay, let's do it. Versus, I want, I'm gonna, it's all about me, but how can I actually be a better planter, a better uh and I ain't even gonna say that you're a supplier, a resource. Yeah, a God used resource. I will be the ink pen in the writer's hand, it'll just be through the formal finances. Um, do you think that is a hindrance? And I'm just asking, thoughts. Do you think that is a hindrance a person's mentality? And should a Christian because I I don't know Elon Musk's background, but I don't really think he's claimed to be a Christian by any means. But do you think that a Christian should be a trillionaire and able to distribute the funds? Should a Christian be a Should he, should he be? Should. And I'm not just saying like he doesn't have to be, but I'm just saying in the aspect of the way the world moves, yes, God ha has the ability to go beyond finances, right? And favor and everything else and open doors. But at the same time, we still do operate off the currency of finances for certain things and to be able to help more of the homeless, to be able to help families in the church. Because really, church should be helping the families. I think it's gotten a little twisted over time, and people want to actually get more money from the people than they give to the people. Um, but not every church, this is just me talking in general. Um, but I was just curious because he is the first one, right? Like you just said he's the first trillionaire ever. And I know it's assets as well, but to see a Christian in that place, do you ever think that God may do that, or have we been that selfish that he has kept the funds from us? Or could it be he just doesn't want that to be the resource that he operates through? I know I've said a lot.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Can't speak for God. Can't speak for God. Um, I do know that there are people who are Christians that are wealthy. I I can't say that was I'm not my Christianity's a little different. All right. I'm not gonna say because you're a Christian and you're rich, God wanted you to be rich. I think that's just a byproduct of the wisdom that God has given you. And perhaps you're a Christian and you just so happen to be a trillionaire. Um, I look in the Bible, Abraham, stupid rich, Isaac, stupid rich, Jacob, stupid rich, Job, Solomon, David. These these dudes was rich.

unknown 21:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Am I gonna say God is the one that decided I'm gonna make this one person rich? I don't know, I'm not God. I can't talk about that.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Also, you don't want to block the blessing in case he's planning on making it. Casey's planning on making it. I don't know. I'm not gonna say what God wants to do. You know?

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Hey, if if I if he wants to be the guy to give me the golden armor, I'll wear it.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

You know what I'm saying? But I don't know. And all seriousness, I I don't know the answer to your question.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Yeah, it's just a view standpoint, not necessarily God just thinking as Christians to not have risen to that point. I mean, I know we are, we do have wealthy Christians, but you know, Solomon, he didn't want wealth though. He asked for wisdom, and God did make him rich because of that. Right. Um, and I just when y'all said that, and when you it just hit someone, you were like, how he's doing something with it. And I was like, that's an interesting fact that he's become a trillionaire. I wonder if a Christian person, if God would back that. And not saying that we know for sure from God, but just out of curiosity.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

I mean, I would assume uh again, like Isaiah said, I don't I don't want to speak for God, I'm sure it's a case-by-case thing because ultimately he's trying to make us Christ-like. Um but also we are called to help people. It's really hard to help people when you're broke. Yep. You can what uh uh Peter and the boys said, uh silver and gold I don't have, but such I have. I mean, we still have something to offer, whether we have money or don't have money. But I have a feeling we say uh um uh be faithful over the small things, I'll make you rules or many. Like so there's those type of verses. It's like okay, well, I have a feeling that how we steward what we have may in a lot of cases have something to do with how much we are given, but I don't think like it's a direct correlation. Like I feel like the prosperity gospel made it sound like okay, well, as long as you sow a seed, then you'll reap it the same way, right? Or as long as you do the right thing, then God's gonna give give you money and make you wealthy. I don't think it's a direct formula formula of I give and God gives me back a hundredfold every time in cash. Yes, you know, I I feel like there are different types of uh blessings that God can give you that don't include money, but also I do think that um there are probably times where you're faithful over your money and you're helpful to people and you have your hand open in giving and God continues to refill your cup uh as you pour out. I think that's uh that's true too. And I mean, like I heard some people say like if you get money, you should just give it all away. I was watching that interview with uh was his name, Joby Martin.

SPEAKER_04 24:49

Joe Martin, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

And uh he they was like, okay, well, he spent millions of dollars dollars building a facility and hiring staff and whatever. And uh why didn't you just give all that to the poor? And he's like, so you can only do that once, and then you don't have no more money. But if you create systems, yeah, then you can give time and time again. He's like, now we're able to uh sponsor this for four million dollars every year, we're able to give to this particular uh ministry, and you were able to give this much to that person because we were able to build systems and be able to be a blessing to people time after time. So I think sometimes when people say, Oh, you should just immediately give it all away, uh sometimes I think that could be short-sighted.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

Yeah. No, I I agree with you, it is flawed. And I also I don't think being rich means you're with God or without God. And I don't think being poor means you're with God or without God.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

Agree.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

You know what I mean? Because if you want to talk about uh John the Baptist, extremely important. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, Adam had everything and he lost it. Job had everything, lost it, and got it back. Yeah, you know, Abraham was able to create the the nepot the greatest nepotism of the biblical world. Right? Well, when Paul was like, you know what, I don't want to accept anything from anybody, I just want to preach the gospel. So I don't think like like to your point of a formula or a recipe of if you do these six biblical principles, you will get money. That to me is a dangerous type of gospel.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Dangerous.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Because now you're form you're you're you're you're creating a formula, and now the formula becomes your God and not Yahweh.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

Yeah. You know what Paul said, I learned I learn how to have much and have a little. It's like uh uh um what it's not the point is to have or not have a bunch of money. Right. Because I I mean I do believe, I think that wisdom, wisdom, knowledge, like there's certain things that can put you in certain spheres, but ultimately I do believe the Lord gives and the Lord takes away. You know, I think there's um I don't I'm not sure how all those things work together, you know, like on you know, of course, it's like because there's been times where it's like I know I'm qualified to get this job or to do this thing, but it just seemed like it's not working out. What is that? You know, yeah, and then it's like for some people, it seems like everything works out, and maybe they don't know as much as you, you know, so it's like, well, what is that? And you I just have to trust that God is, you know, it he's either causing it to happen, he knew it was gonna happen, or either way, he's got plans to work all this for my good.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

I think the the thing to think about is like when he said, My plans for you are good, yeah, but then he's also a sovereign God.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

So you're sovereign enough to make plans for me that are good and not make it look like anybody else's journey. Therefore, I can't judge myself on Chris's life because that's not mine. My own plans that he has for me are for me and they are good. They're not gonna look like Chris if he gets a trillion dollars. Therefore, I can't say you're more blessed than I am, because that might be your plan. Yeah, you know what I mean? And then also, too, God ain't the only one that gives riches. You're right. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

What did he tempt Jesus with? Riches. You feel me? And so I give you all all the earth, all this kingdom.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Brought him to the top of the mountain and showed him everything. He said, I give it all to you. And I think the devil actually has the power to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's not the only one giving riches and blessings out here. So I think it matters who and where it comes from.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

And I agree with everything y'all are have said. Um, because I was just sitting here thinking, I brought it up just for the simple fact that a lot of people, Christians, get caught up in money and finances and prosperity preaching and stuff like that. And just thinking about someone being a trillionaire and not being a Christian, really, I almost feel like God wouldn't do that. And I'm not, I can't speak for him. I'm just thinking on the situation personally, but because I feel like it would rob him of his testimony. People would feel like if you're the richest person in the world, then you can solve anything and you really couldn't put God in it at all. Like, even though you would say, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be here. But now they're like, but you can pay for everything. Like, I don't require it doesn't require much faith when you can buy any and everything based off the way we view the world, versus, you know, yes, some people are wealthy, but it's still a limit to them and it's a cap to them that there's things that they would need God to move for. And of course, money doesn't buy health and things like that. Um, but it seems like we're I know in our church because it's become so common, but you don't hear a lot of people with miracles of healing and stuff like that. You hear about how they were able to afford to go to out of the country to find this doctor that's supposed to be best in the world, or their finances was able to provide them a cure that they could buy from somebody that other people couldn't buy. But if you eliminate that ability, now it's all well, how can you explain that? It robs the world of a testimony to say the money did it versus God being able to do it. Because really, I don't think it's it's it's never about the money, it's always about your heart and your heart posture. So whether you're rich or broke, if your heart is correct, you're still gonna serve God and always try to find him, but it will produce. I just was making the kind of the connection to doing something, like even people that are wealthy sometimes still don't do nothing unless it's for themselves. Yeah, and I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

To follow that, I think some people demonize the young rich ruler. And it's like, well, that was just his thing. Yeah because David was a young rich ruler. Yeah, are we gonna say he was he was bad because he was young, rich, and he ruled some stuff? You know what I mean? Is his is his testimony, are we gonna demonize him? Yeah, we're gonna demonize Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? We're gonna demonize Job and everybody else.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

It's like it's like they're not evil because they're rich, but I do think it makes it harder to depend on God when you are rich. Yeah, like what Jesus say, it's easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than a rich person to enter the kingdom. Yes. So it's like I I do feel like sometimes, like one of you just said, um, it can be, I think, from another place, you know, because a lot of times we're we're closer to God in the valley than we are on the mountaintop. Unfortunately, that just seems to be the case. You know, we're we get closer to God uh when we're dependent on him. Yeah, and sometimes when things are going well, we just like feel like it's because of us. You know, I'm I'm smart, I got a formula. I'm doing, I mean, even you see, like the um some of these rich Christian entrepreneurs, it's like the way they put it out there is like I got the system. And if you follow my system, then the same thing's gonna happen for you. Yeah, and I've paid for those masterminds before. Same, same and and uh most of the time it's baloney. But um it's like hey, the you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Because I even think about Joshua when he says, What? Meditate on my word day and night, and then you will make your way prosperous, and then you'll have good success. Ain't no money in that talk about the prosperity or being successful. Um, and so we're focusing on the wrong thing. And I even think when you it's funny because if you if you're distracted when you don't have money, when you get the money, you're not gonna be more focused on God. Even though people seem to think that, oh, I can focus on, but if you don't have the money to do anything now and you have all this time on your hands where you have to sit at the house and you have to sit your tail down somewhere and you're not looking for God in that moment, yeah, when you have the freedom to go and do whatever you want to, you're not gonna be looking for God in those moments. Um, and so just having the current base, but it, you know, and it can flip vice versa. Because if you don't, if you don't have it hard when you have the money, if it was all to be lost, it's less likely you will have the heart. Not saying that God wouldn't use that, or because he can use any situation and scenario, but typically a lot of people say, you know, when you're rock bottom, it exposes who you are. Um, but I think it exposes who you believe in. And then when you get everything, it exposes who you are.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

And also, these ultra-rich people, they don't seem like they have good family structure. No. See, you rich and your richness has solved one issue and one issue only, and that is finances. You got that figured out. I want to talk to your wife and your kids. No family ties.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

Those people that are preaching 16-hour day. Yeah. 16, 18 hour days.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

I want to ask your kids, do you feel like you have a relationship with your moms? You feel like you have a relationship with your dads? I want to talk to your friends. Do you have friends? Do you have anybody that can hold your emotions that can and you can go to and talk with? Because a lot of these ultra-rich people, they have to keep getting rich or keep what they already have. And that becomes their whole life.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

Yeah, just how much more can I get? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Or how can I keep what I got?

SPEAKER_03 34:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

So I don't I don't know, man. I'd be I'd be I'll be looking.

SPEAKER_03 34:49

And then then the the work becomes a cover-up for the things that you're actually dealing with, and then you know, because you know they got like you said, they got family stuff going on at home. But I gotta work, yeah. I gotta work. You just keep covering up, and that's why you see eventually some of them crack.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

And I I see that with people who are making $400,000 a year, yeah, $500,000 a year, $200,000 a year. If you're making billions of dollars, yeah, you're not. What's happening in your actual spirit, man, during that time? Very few, and maybe it's just because they're the loudest, like the the loudest, richest people are the ones that we see the most. Maybe there might be some very quiet billionaires that are living good lives, good relations with all that time. So I would love to hear from y'all a little bit more. Instead of these social media platforms and these tech giants, but I'm I'm I don't know, it doesn't look as attractive when you look past the money and look at the rest of their lives and how that they're battling divorce courts, and they got Elon Musk got as much baby daddies as my little cousin. And it's like, what's going on in the family structure, buddy?

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Yeah, he's he's got a lot of mothers out there.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Come on now, and I'm like, hey, something something's off. You fixed only one

Stewardship Tests Greed Versus Generosity

SPEAKER_02 36:15

issue.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

So I feel like we should go ahead and plan talk about it what we're gonna do with the money when we sign our deal.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Oh, I already did that. Y'all you just get into it now. You I did that before we sat down the first time. I got my plan already.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

I think I think one thing that grounds me when it comes to like dreaming of big, big, big money is is it going to make me more generous or more greedy? Yeah. Yeah. And that's something I I kind of battle with. Like, am I all the decisions I'm making with my imaginary $500, $500 million football contract because I'm a star player on the Chiefs. That was good.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

That was good.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

That was a good one.

SPEAKER_03 36:59

I appreciate you throwing that in there.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

And does it make me more greedy or more generous? And that kind of levels out a lot of the stuff. Because, like, okay, I want to pay my bills, but for what? Because I want to buy more stuff.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

Yeah. And I and I feel like going back to what Chris said, I I think that some of the times God doesn't give it to us yet is because we would not steward it well. But like, like I feel like I've been through a season where if I had got it then, I would have treated it differently than if I got it now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would have bought a certain type of house and car and whatever that maybe now I would just, you know, uh I'm not saying I wouldn't, you know what I'm saying? Depending on how much money we talk about. We're going off percentages, you know what I mean? No, but you know, it's like there's different yeah, so I would steward it differently now than if I got it when I was 25. Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Practically speaking, before I got married, I was not making that much money and I was lift driving because I needed to make an extra $100, $200, $300 that week to buy groceries. Guys told me the Holy Spirit really sat me down and was like, well, before you marry your wife, who is making a lot more money, I was I was just happy because I'm gonna have more money in my pocket. Now the two shall become one. And my pockets a little thicker. You know what I mean? I was I was waiting on that collaboration and one bank account. Sugar mama. Thank you, sugar me. Right, I was waiting on it. And then I was like, if I don't learn the lessons right now of budgeting the basic principle of just knowing where my money goes, I'm going to marry her and she is gonna have to have a secret bank account somewhere because I'm squandering the money.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

And now, now, now I done I done got more in my little measly tax bracket and went up one. And I'm worse off because I never learned a lesson of stewarding my small mites. I buried it in the ground and didn't do anything with it. And then I meet a wonderful woman and I drive her insane because now she has to have a second bank account. Kazaia keeps ordering stuff off Amazon. And I was like, all right, Holy Spirit, do your work in me. And now, having done that work, I thank God that right now our financial conversations are seamless. Now, every now and then, she does tell me, hey, stop buying all that candy.

SPEAKER_03 39:44

Candy?

SPEAKER_02 39:45

Hey, I'm not gonna lie, brother. A whole lot of candy, bro. I got candy problems. All right, lifesaver gummies collisions. I'm holding that company up by myself. Wow. Jeez.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

You have to buy a lot of candy for candy to be a problem.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

A whole lot of candy. And I'm surprised you don't have a huge dentist bill the way you're saying that you can eat all the candy.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

I started looking at his teeth after he said it. Anyway, this is the root.

Pool Day Tooth Emergency Story

SPEAKER_03 40:20

Yeah. Speaking of teeth. Uh-oh. Oh, talk about it. Uh, so I know y'all probably seen it on social media, but on Sunday dropped. Bro, on Sunday, we went, so it's the first pool day of the year. Dad got the pool clean at his house, and we're like, cool, we're gonna go over there. It's hot, you know, we're gonna go get in the pool. Nolan's like, uh, we're getting the kids ready. Nolan's like, can I go ahead and get in the pool? It's like, yeah, go get in the pool. You know, Nolan, for one, his head's above the water, he can walk in it, and two, he can swim. Yeah, so like, yeah, go get in the water while we're getting the little ones ready, putting on their floaties and stuff. And so me and Navy are walking out, Nolan's in the water, hopping, you know, messing around, jumping around and stuff. And um, I'm getting Navy ready, putting some sunscreen on her, and she's about to get in, and uh all of a sudden I look at Nolan's like, she starts telling me pointing out something's going on with Nolan. And uh Nolan starts, he he's not really saying nothing. I don't know if he's kind of freaking out or what, but he's just quiet and kind of holding his mouth. He starts walking up the steps and spitting out blood. And I'm like, I think he maybe busted his lip or something on the side of the pool. And he looks up and his whole front tooth is gone. And then the tooth beside it is chipped. I'm like, what? So I just grab a towel and I'm like, here, hold this. You know, my wife, she's been in dentistry for 15 years, and she luckily was coming out of the house. And so I'm like, hey, what do we do? You know, and she's like, uh, is it she looked at it and the whole tooth was out, so she's like, find the tooth. So I go in the pool and I find, bro, a tooth, a whole tooth. Yeah, the whole tooth, the root, and everything come out. Wow, that thing was huge. So I went, I look, I found a tooth, and she like put it in some milk. We put that thing in some milk. She's calling a dentist she worked for before. Um, and she's like, Hey, I'll meet you over there at the dentist's office. And so we're like, all right, so we just we just hop straight in the car with Nolan, leave the other kids with my parents, and we go meet her at the dentist's office. And uh yeah, so they're like, Hey, we can just shove it, we could just put it back in if it's within a certain amount of time and it should grow back properly. And uh so she goes to first of all, Nolan's Nolan's a G, because she was like, I'm gonna numb it. And well, he's he didn't, he's not a G when it comes to needles. But she pulls out the needle and he almost knocked it out of her hand. He's like, No, no needles, and she's like, Well, if you don't do needles, no, uh, he said, no needles, and he said, just put it in. And she's like, She's like, Are you sure you want to do that? And he's like, just put it back in. And I was like, No, and you need to get that numbing medicine because it's gonna hurt. And he was like, I don't care, just do it. So she's like, All right, we'll try. And Satana holds his hands and she I was holding his head still so that she could. She took that I don't know how big that tooth is and put it back in his gum and then had to like push it, push it extra hard so that because it's like it's shaped like a cone. Yeah, and she's shoving it and she's holding it, and his he didn't make a word, but his body was trembling from just I guess the pain and pressure, and and she's just like holding it so it's all the way in, and just holding his like whole gums were turning white, and he's just sitting and uh yeah, he just he muscled through it. Wow, and she was able to get it back in and hold it in the right spot with no numbing medicine. I'm like, bro, I told him I said I would not have done that. He's better than me. He's better than me, because bro, that that was one of the toughest things I've ever seen. Is it bro? You're not crying or nothing. Bro, I started, I was about to cry. Oh but yeah, so his tooth is But what what happened did he knock it on something? So apparently he hit it on the side of the pool. He tripped and fitted. And I don't know, no, he was jumping up and down playing. I think maybe he didn't notice where he was at. And his I don't know if it if it the tooth just went a certain way and come out, or if it got kind of hooked in the side, because it's kind of like a net side. I don't know if it got pulled, pulled it out like that. I'm not, I don't know how it happened, and he don't know either. He just knows he hit the side of the pool and his tooth was gone. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

And it was uh he must have hit that pool some kind of hard.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

But I finally got the chance to go fast and furious to the dentist. I was I was running stop lights and I'm like, we gotta make it so he can get that tooth back in going, you know. But uh, but yeah, so praise God. It all I know it sounds weird, but it all came came out and we was able to put it back in. Wow, he had a follow-up dentist appointment. They said everything uh looks good. Um, and with the chip tooth, I think they're just gonna be able to do some filling and kind of make that look that'll be something that he probably just gonna look like a hockey player. You know that.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Wow. Shout out, shout out Lil' Nolan. Yeah, true man, and praise God it worked out, and it wasn't nothing worse.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

I know, I know. Gosh, that's man.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

Praying for full recovery and everything, man. Wow, what a what a way to end the episode.

Graduation Pride And Closing Questions

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Wait, oh I don't want to end it. I mean, I should have said mine first because that is a great story. But I couldn't go without shouting out my the one that made me a girl dad, the the oldest girl, um, how proud I am of her. She graduated on Wednesday, so I'm proud of her going to college. And I know I told y'all she had got like what 40k in her scholarship, but I really was lying. I didn't really grasp at the time, I wasn't thinking because that's per year, so it's really over 100. Shit. Okay, just for that one alone. And then she's been getting scholarships since, and I even know she gets a stipend purse. So at this point, she's getting paid to go to school. She's getting paid to go to school. That's incredible. And you know, she worked really hard, so I had to I had to continue giving her her praise and how proud I am of her, um, especially in this day and age to be that focused and everything. So love you, baby girl. Proud of you. I know your mom will play this for you because you don't watch our podcast, but but again, proud of you and love you. So I had to put that out there. Yeah, congratulations. Congrats and her mom for the sacrifice, the time that she put in for being a great mom, for doing all that she's done for her. Could not go without acknowledging that as well. Now I'm done. Much needed.

unknown 48:08

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 48:08

Praise God for all that. We appreciate y'all for listening to Diddy Brutes Podcast. Be sure to let us know what you think about the episode. We covered a lot. Is it okay to be rich and Christian? You know? Message us if you got all your teeth in your mouth. We'll see y'all next week. What? I don't know. My brain.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

I don't. I put two and two together that didn't need to go together. Messages. If you got all your teeth in your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

We should have a lot of messages, I hope.

SPEAKER_03 48:45

That cuts out a lot of people. You think so? You think so? I don't have all the teeth in my mouth. Really? What? What do you mean by that? I don't have any missing teeth.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

No. No.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

I have too many, actually.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

I gotta get my wisdom teeth cut out. No. Two of them still, I don't think it pops out. Wait, would I do the wisdom count? Would the wisdom teeth count as not because they're supposed to be gone, actually. They're supposed to take those. Yeah. I still got mine.