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Winning Women's Wednesday
Pickleball Injuries and MLS Drama: A Day in Realtor Life
Real estate stands at a critical crossroads where traditional models crumble while the industry debates what truly serves consumers best. As Michelle and Ashley dive into the aftermath of the NAR conference in DC, they unpack the heated battle between industry giants over how properties should be marketed.
The clear cooperation controversy has Zillow advocating for all listings to remain on the MLS while Compass champions seller choice – but which approach truly puts clients first? Beyond the corporate posturing lies a deeper question about whether we're legislating against bad behavior at the expense of legitimate business practices. When policy creates situations where agents can show properties but not write offers, something has clearly gone awry.
Meanwhile, the traditional brokerage model faces extinction. With vanishing profit margins, brokerages can no longer provide the leadership, education, and support agents desperately need. This vacuum contributes to "quiet quitting" – with an estimated 50% of realtors disengaging from their careers due to inadequate training and mentorship. Professional organizations like the Women's Council of Realtors and local associations are stepping up to fill this void, leveraging their collective bargaining power to negotiate better deals on technology and services.
For agents navigating this shifting landscape, the message is clear: if you're not receiving adequate support from your broker, seek it elsewhere – whether through realtor organizations or coaching programs. As Michelle puts it, "Success leaves clues," and following those who've successfully adapted may be your best path forward in this rapidly evolving industry.
Welcome to Winnie Women's Wednesday. I'm back, you are back, good morning. Good morning, it is Winnie Women's Wednesday at 930.
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry, blame Justin.
Speaker 1:Landon. I will blame Justin Landon, but while we were waiting on you, Okay. I get to give a shout out. But while we were waiting, I forced Austin and Jennifer to download my son's album. Oh, that's wonderful. Did they listen to it? They listened to it and they said really nice things. Okay, good. So if you're on Spotify, you need to download Something for Trying by Lucas Simonton, and it's neither offensive or anything like that. It's really good. I love that. It's really good.
Speaker 2:Who are you if you don't?
Speaker 1:have a son. Huh, who are you? I'm Ashley Tintree. Look at that. I was so excited to plug my kid. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Very gratuitous plug Always a mom. Thank you, austin, for listening. It was super fun. The rest of you download it and listen. Something for trying. And I'm Michelle Ozimi and I'm done. You did it twice. You did it twice. I did it twice. Welcome to Winning Women's Wednesday. We have so much to talk about. What are we going to talk about? Ashley has no idea, but we do, because we actually haven't talked. So we had the conference last week.
Speaker 2:No, I was, I had, I had okay Summer moment.
Speaker 1:We had summer yes. Prior to that, we had NAR. Yeah, we were in Washington, yeah, and so you kind of handled all of the NAR festivities. Yes, for the hotel that, like, caught fire twice and had no air conditioning and it was like $600 a night, oh.
Speaker 2:I was. I did not stay in that hotel. You did not stay in that hotel. What hotel did you stay in, oh?
Speaker 1:I didn't stay there either. Oh no, no, you didn't stay at the Westin. No, we were at the Marriott Marquis. Oh yeah, the West End.
Speaker 2:I was at the Host Hotel.
Speaker 1:I thought that was the Host Hotel. No Marriott is.
Speaker 2:I think the West End's the Host Hotel for WCR.
Speaker 1:Ah, ok, yeah, yeah. Well, the West End, which was a very nice hotel, yeah, caught fire twice.
Speaker 2:Welcome to DC, welcome to.
Speaker 1:DC yeah, and then, and no air conditioning. Had no air conditioning, yeah, that's awful.
Speaker 2:So I like that. Well, you know me, I like to be frozen. Well, I like to have air conditioning. Like, remember the one time we stayed, yeah, In a hotel together and I yeah, you had me turn it up and then I sweated all night, yeah, and then I sweated too cute because they do get really hot, um, but, yeah, no, I do like some air conditioning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not a ton, because, um, so, um, we'll go into to why I'm driving a loaner car. But I'm driving a loaner car, yeah, and you know, they, they always try to upsell you with the loaner car because it's like I got a brand new version of my car. Um, yeah, it's the brand version. It's got the like shiny stuff across the dash, it's amazing. But it has the air conditioning in the seat. Oh, yeah, I have that. Yeah, I have. I don't want that. I couldn't figure out how to turn it off and I'm like, ok, my butt is like freezing. Oh, no, I love that. No, I did not, it was too much. And a good steering wheel heater yes, oh yes, my previous SUV had that and my current car does not. I love this. Like I love the hand warmer. Yeah, oh, it's good, love that, but I don't need the cooling on my butt so much. We can agree to disagree. Yes, yes, we do that a lot.
Speaker 2:We do.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so my car is in the shop. Okay, it was supposed to be for service, so I scheduled the appointment on Tuesday, okay, or scheduled it Monday for it to go in on Tuesday. It's Wednesday. So it was great, no big deal, going to get some things done. And then my poor daughter who, after a horrific day as a junior camp counselor oh yeah, with middle schoolers, yeah, not going well Oscar called her ugly and Ronan keeps running around with a potato. These are middle school kids. Yeah, it's interesting, okay, so anyway, after after a rough day, um, she smashed the car into a pole. And now the two both doors need to be replaced.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's awful it is, but I can't really talk because I both doors. I um, I damaged a lot of cars when I was her age.
Speaker 1:She um, yeah, I'm good now. Yeah, she was really upset about it so I couldn't give her too hard of a time, but when they told me the doors had to be replaced, that's going to be an expensive climb. That's expensive, yeah. So what are we talking about today, though? Okay. Talking about today, though? Okay. Well, where do we start, do we? How's your summer, how's your summer been?
Speaker 2:I didn't even know. We were in summer at this point, like I don't know what day it is, what month it is I don't think summer technically starts until june 20th.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's not summer. It's not summer, although tell, tell the outdoors that I know it's a little well. That's why I have crunchy hair I I ran um after the door incident because I just had to get out of the house before I like violated any CPS rules. Yeah, I know she is 18.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you're fine. So that's in combat adult version at that point.
Speaker 1:So I just kind of grunted and went outside. It was 102. Yeah, no, thank you, it was a rough three miles, let me tell you.
Speaker 2:She's still with three miles. People had to. I know had my house. People had to, I know had to got to get the summer bod going.
Speaker 1:Guys, I don't know for what, but I don't know what to do for what. Yeah, your tears, it's just squeaky. I know I know I can't sit. Still, okay, I don't know what's going on, I don't know. Um, you amped up. I'm amped up about summer. I got an offer on a house that's been on the market a while. Okay, so that's great. So between that and summer, I'm pretty excited. Okay, good, yeah, I like it. Yes, okay, so, how's great? So between that and summer, I'm pretty excited. Okay, good, yeah, I like it. Yeah, okay. So how's your summer been? How's the pickleball?
Speaker 2:It's fine, I played. I was at the Pickleball Kingdom on Saturday from 8 to 3. And then I Start charging you rent? No, they don't, it's unlimited. And then Sunday I was there from like 8 to 11 30. Wow. And so then Sunday night I rolled over and thought I needed a hip replacement. So Reese put me on probation. So I pickleball probation. I probably can play tomorrow we just made Austin giggle.
Speaker 1:I know I like that. Yeah, we love it when the studio audience gets.
Speaker 2:Yes, I so. Yeah, I think I might be able to play tomorrow, I don't know. Okay, okay, see, so I'm a little upset, isn't there a?
Speaker 1:big thing on friday for pickleball.
Speaker 2:I can't go. I have an executive committee. Maybe I'm so mad because I would totally beat tyler coleman into submission yet again.
Speaker 1:I have no doubt, and I have no doubt so it's our thing at this point yeah, and then okay, but next Friday, Thursday.
Speaker 2:Next Thursday Is that when the tree pack thing is? Yeah, tree pack pickleball tour at Pickleball Kingdom. Yeah, you'll be there, right?
Speaker 1:Oh yes, ma'am, Okay, okay, trying to decide if I'm going to go to that, okay, sure.
Speaker 2:I know I think so. June 26th, from 4 to 7, pickleball, kingdom Plano. If you want more information, reach out to me or you can log on the Metro Tax website. You can. You probably can't be on my team because if I don't know you already then that means you're probably not that good at Pickleball, but I'll find you a team.
Speaker 1:I don't think she's even going to let me be on her team. Oh no, ma'am. Wow, that was quick, it was. You're welcome. Ouch, yeah, ouch. So that's pretty much it. You can be on my team. Okay, you can be on my team, gotcha.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:All right, all right. So okay, nar, tell us about that, but you handled the NAR festivities.
Speaker 2:I did the WCR festivities. So NAR, because people there are people that are in leadership that call it NAR but everybody else says it's, you have to say N-A-R, oh so just letting you know Interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they're kind of both the same thing, but I get what.
Speaker 2:But you know what? All right. You know what Right. Well, here's what's hard. It's like the California Association of Realtors is CAR.
Speaker 1:So I would see why you would call that C-A-R. See, but that's the funny part. Yeah, like I get it, because why are you going to call it CAR? Yeah, okay, yeah, that's weird yeah. I know, those are just weird little hangups that people have and anytime somebody mispronounces Realtor with Realtor, oh no, that gets me too.
Speaker 2:But yes, Can I just ask why we?
Speaker 1:care.
Speaker 2:Because it's who we are. Oh, are you dialing into the campaign? That's who we are?
Speaker 1:Oh no, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's, that's 39. Yeah, but it's who we are and like I don't want you to mispronounce my name and I don't want you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I've been called worse. I grew up my maiden name's Farentino, so I've been called so many different things.
Speaker 1:That's fair and Ozzini gets mispronounced all the time.
Speaker 2:But don't mispronounce something, yeah, and you know. And then everybody feels impacted though, because they mispronounced N-A-R or realtor or whatever, like, whatever. So what do you prefer? Because it's not okay. I think I like N-A-R. I say N-A-R, yeah, sounds more professional, it does Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, sounds like a narwhal which is I didn't know those were real they are real, they are real, it's like a unicorn hippo.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the unicorns are real, so who would have thought normally, probably more of like a unicorn seal. Yeah, not a hippo. Yeah, hippos, do you know? They're like the most dangerous animals?
Speaker 1:yes, they are, yeah vicious and they're so cute. They're so cute. Yes, that's me, we all. Yes, we always love seeing them at animal kingdom. Yeah, oh, my gosh, my gosh.
Speaker 2:No, it's great. So dialing back in the ADD is strong today. There's a lot going on. Yeah, nar was good. It's great to see other leaders from around the country get to network, doing all of those things, get their perspectives. Get their perspective. You know, it's really funny.
Speaker 2:So you know, I go to a lot of conferences, and what we're seeing, though, is a theme of we really have to get out of the way of trying to disseminate real-time information, because that information gets disseminated in an instant. Now look what we're doing right now as a podcast. You can get on Spotify, you can do all these other things. People do live streams and TikTok videos and all of those other things, and I really think there needs to be a concerted effort to reprogram these conferences that have more hands-on activity that's going on. So, whether it's interactive workshops or, you know, even when you're talking about the committee work and things like that, it's kind of hard, because you know forums are good, because if you're talking about the committee work and things like that, it's kind of hard, because you know forums are good, because if you're trying to have an open forum conversation so you can get feedback loops and things like that, like, I understand that that's real time. But a lot of times we're giving information that you've already heard multiple times or anything. So, even like T3 went to that conference and that's supposed to be the you know, the flagship conference, and that's just what we were all saying. It's like it's so hard because we have all these communication channels now that are instantaneous. We really need to reprogram certain things, and that's not a criticism of NAR or T3.
Speaker 2:I think that's just the way of even when we're producing stuff right, we're doing our conferences and our workshops. I think the more hands-on they are, the better, because somebody sits there and goes. Well, I can, you know, watch Winning Women's Wednesday and figure out about Ignite U90 or you know all those other things. So what are they going to come to in person that they find is a valuable takeaway? And I think that's just where my head is at. But the networking was superb, okay, and I think that's just where my head is at. But the networking was superb, ok, awesome, and I love that. And then, of course, we have the Hill visits, where you know we go and talk to, you know, our senators and our congresspeople and you know, that's what was that like?
Speaker 1:It's good, it's great yeah with their perspective on what's going on within the realtor community and the settlements and the market itself.
Speaker 2:Oh, the settlements didn't really come up a lot. I think it's just a conversation over that. Yeah, man, what a shoe dropped. It was like old news. No, I think there's just obviously. I mean, you get the big beautiful bill or everything that's supposed to help create real estate activity. You know, we'll see Trump actually recorded a live and all of that. Yeah, that was amazing, yeah it was pretty.
Speaker 1:I mean like him or not. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, so they were industry. To be honored and respected by the president was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so in the director's meeting, which I'm an AR director as well, so that was, you know, the last morning of the conference, yeah, that's when they unveiled it and I put it out, yeah, so it was kind of it was kind of neat to do that. But that's special, look, that's where, you know, changes get made and sometimes you get frustrated and everything else. But you know, I'm proud to serve at a local, state and national capacity and, you know, continue to advocate where I can, whether it's smart policy within the realtor organizations or whether it's, you know, in our political environments, with our, you know, national or local or state politicians, and I'm very passionate about that. So you know, I will always take the opportunity.
Speaker 1:What was the take on clear cooperation?
Speaker 2:Well, hey, so that was, that was, I would say, the most informative, because right now you have mommy and daddy fighting in the streets, right, I know? Yeah, it's like Compass and Zillow. It's like can we keep our crap private? Isn't that what we're supposed to do? A good family keeps all their dirty laundry in the closet.
Speaker 1:So yesterday I worked from home, had a lot of coaching Started with, started the Momentum group coaching oh awesome, first coaching call and then I had several. There was just a lot of calls and videos and things like that yesterday. And so Gracie got home from her second day, sure, jc Yep. And Alan comes out and says are you done talking? You have done nothing but talk all day.
Speaker 2:Ok, so funny thing, before I forget on that. So I'm doing the same thing in my office, which is open because it's my dining room, but I have it completely set up like an office, so it's off the kitchen, but my whole house is open. Yes, right, and so Reese is taking pictures of the casing to the kitchen that's to the right of me, and then when you come into my house it's a big entryway. We've talked about closing that in with French doors and just clothing in the portion that goes into the kitchen, because you don't need an access point. We're going to convert that to a real office with that. So he starts taking pictures and he said what are you doing? He said I'm over it. We're walling this up this way.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's kind of how Alan was. And so Gracie's over head wrapped in a towel and she's bobbing her head like this and she goes. Oh, gracie doesn't like it when mommy and daddy are fighting Should. I go in my room. What's happening? Right, it's so funny. Oh yeah, no, I've had enough. She was done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was done. So, needless to say, we talk a lot yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's part of clear cooperation. And ultimately, you know, here's the thing Like do you feel like and I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, because my opinion is everything should be available for everyone on every platform Because I feel like and this is my opinion I feel like that's what's best for the seller. I don't feel like these other organizations are necessarily looking out for what's best for the seller.
Speaker 2:They're looking out for what's best for their bottom line. Yeah, I think it's again. If you want to sit there and say Zillow is the white knight trying to protect our industry by keeping everything in the MLS, so we have like, listen, did you get the eye roll? Yeah. But at the same time, understand two things can be true concurrently. Right, Zillow can be the one that is advocating for all you know, listings to be on the MLS. Yes, yes, to protect the sanctity of what we do and to have wide marketplace views of listings. Yeah. The other part of that is Zillow also makes money by syndicating listings and selling leads. So two things can be true at the same time. I agree with that. We can be happy that they are, because they are one of the loudest voices. They're the number one visited site in real estate. It's not even close. If you put all the rest of like the top 10 together, they still don't even get close to the visibility of people, consumers going to Zillow.
Speaker 1:It's you, homescom that keeps calling me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but those are the things. And then you've got Compass, who part of what theirs is is their three-phase, you know, listing strategy and everything else and consumer choice, and the seller should be able to choose what that is, and I fall in the middle.
Speaker 1:I agree that the seller should choose, yeah, but I just think that it's very rare. So in my career I have represented one football player Yep and I could see where Is he a Cuban. I don one football player Yep, and I could see where Is he a Cuban. I don't know who he was. He is famous. He is actually famous. Like I should have known who you are. You can tell me offline. My husband was like how do you not know who this is? Gosh, michelle, it was not a Dallas Cowboy player. Okay, that's fine, but I actually worked really with his wife and she was lovely. She spent the whole summer when I had the house listed in Barbados and I was so jealous I hated her, oh, but she was great, okay. Anyway, I can see where they perhaps might have not wanted their home MLS for privacy reasons. They still had they wanted it on MLS. They did not, but I could see like if I were listing a super. You know, taylor Swift probably doesn't want her home listed on MLS if she's occupying the home at that time.
Speaker 2:So I will also say cops, often civil servants or people that are in that don't.
Speaker 2:don't want that People going through their, their, their name off of they're removed from the tax roll If they go through the process of doing that. Yes, look, there's a lot of reasons. They are the. That is the exception, not the rule. And I think what I'm frustrated with, if I'm being really honest, is I don't believe and I have been open about this, that's what other people were essentially saying in those rooms I don't believe that, as the realtor organization, we should legislate immoral behavior. We should be focusing on what is best for the consumer and the realtor experience. Yeah, and ultimately, I'm really tired of people trying to get in my business operations. As long as I am not violating state licensing law, agreed, and I am doing what? My pledging to the code of ethics, right, the higher standard of what is to be expected of me that I'm a realtor, so are you and not a licensee? Yeah, then butt out. Yeah, and that's where I am now.
Speaker 1:Don't let the seller and the buyers make the decisions that are best for them.
Speaker 2:Like EXP just came out. This is where the criticism is. Exp came out with this. You know this, this great.
Speaker 2:You know disclosure of, basically like hey, if you are choosing to not put your home on MLS, be aware of all of these consequences that could come along. You know, with doing that and so, like I like that, yeah, like make sure that there's additional. You know awareness doing that and so, like I like that, Like, make sure that there's additional. You know awareness and disclosures, and so, like eXp has been in the forefront with the leadership of Leo. You know making sure that they are advocating for realtors, but they are being consumer-centric and I think that's where we have to get back to is, ultimately, this is about the consumer. And if the consumer's, where we have to get back to is, ultimately, this is about the consumer. And if the consumer feels they are harmed by the way their agent advised them, then let that be the fight in the streets and doing those things, because ultimately we also can.
Speaker 2:Can we also say that? At what point can the consumer be culpable for not like no-transcript? And they choose to be more informed. They choose to be more informed. They choose to be more informed. They choose to be more informed and ultimately I have to push it back Like what's more harmful. A seller saying I want to limit my exposure because I don't want to be inconvenienced, I would prefer to do it this way and this is what I want to do. Or a seller that won't clean their freaking house when somebody puts it on the MLS and you, as the realtor, don't sit there and tell them you need to declutter, you need to deep clean, you need to neutralize, you need to do all these other things, because ultimately that's not gonna yield you enough money, amen. So that's where I say we gotta get out of the business of trying to legislate the bad guys as much, and I'm really focused on smart policy to help empower the real estate community and not tell me what to do because you don't pay my bills.
Speaker 1:Amen. How's that? Because we are self-employed, we are entrepreneurs, yeah, and we as realtors as a whole community, correct?
Speaker 2:Have to start thinking that way. The delayed marketing status is an additional thing that NAR came out because there's and people were going why we have coming soon status, which allows you to basically pre-market the home but not show it for up to 30 days while you're getting it market ready. But you want to signal to the buyers, hey, this is coming and if you're looking in this area, stay tuned, right, right, get us out. However, there's a lot of marketplaces that don't have the coming soon status. So this delayed marketing status that is supposed to be coming in, we're having that conversation. I sit on the Netris board, which is our North Texas real estate information system, that's our MLS here in North Texas with about 52,000 subscribers 2,000 subscribers and so I'm on that board. We'll be having that conversation today.
Speaker 2:But so there was a lot of robust conversation around that, because what the delayed marketing status is allowing, what the coming soon is, is, if I have a listing, I can go to you and say, hey, michelle, I've got this ripe new listing coming. Hey, ashley, I actually have a buyer that fits that need. Okay, well, you can come see it. I have it in the delayed marketing status and I can do one-to-one marketing with you as a broker, not a massive push in a e-blast From the coming stand Right. Yeah, so I can go to you, you can show it. Here's where the argument was. They said but you can't write an offer.
Speaker 1:So what's the?
Speaker 2:point. So I said because you can't show it in Coming Soon, right, right, but it's really nothing more than a Coming Soon. But I can accept an offer under Coming Soon, I'm just not allowed to show it, so it can be a sight unseen offer, right, okay? So I felt really bad for Charlie Lee, who is legal and was over the forum and unfortunately he just had to. He had to listen to it and shout out to Johnny Mowad, who's chair of MLS and Emerging Technologies at NAR. So in this forum everybody would say, charlie, we're so sorry You're such an you, thank you for taking your time, but you're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you know I mean.
Speaker 2:And because ultimately it came down to so wait a second, the consumer can go see the house, but the consumer I can't. If my buyer wants to write an offer, I can't. I can't legally write an offer and I say legally, it's not a law, I can without violating my subscriber agreement in the MLS. I can't write the offer. And I just started laughing and I just said come after me, because ultimately I'm going to do what my consumer wants me to do, because state licensing law tells me that I have to act in their best interest. And if they want to write an offer, or you want to send me an offer for my seller, I'm going to present it. How's that? And that's where it got a little ludicrous.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it makes no sense. It makes no sense.
Speaker 2:So, at the same time, there's a lot of dialogue going on about all of these things, and so it is important, and if people don't think that being in those rooms is not important, then they're wrong. Now the right people need to be in those rooms, the right leaders that are advocating. So. We had a lot of CEOs of local associations and MLSs basically saying you're infringing on the right of our members being able to do their job, and so I'm just very passionate about we should have recourse for ill-behaved people in the marketplace.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is not a question, but every time something happens it's like putting hot on a cup of coffee because somebody burned themselves, right and got multi-million dollar payout because they didn't realize the coffee was hot Right, got multimillion dollar payout because they didn't realize the coffee was hot, right, dumb, and so for me, don't make me write hot on a hot cup of coffee Like, let me do my job, ok, and if I'm not doing my job, then take necessary action against me for defrauding the consumer public. Yeah, but we need to get back to which. Why you like it or not, zillow is successful over the other realtor portals or real estate portals, I should say because they first aim to create the best consumer experience. They do.
Speaker 1:They do and by driving the consumer experience, they have one market share.
Speaker 2:They have one market share and nobody will even remotely get close to them. Yes, and so that's where I go. Everything we should be doing from the realtor organization local, state and national the first lens you put a decision through. Is this benefiting the consumer public? Yeah, and if it's not, then we need to probably look at is there a way to create sound policy that we know what we want the impact to be but still remains consumer centric while protecting the realtor brand? And I think we need to do a better job of that. And I think it's the dichotomy of very tenured agents that are in servant leadership versus maybe a newer mindset of what we should be doing. Yeah, because if I hear one more time that we sold out and sold our data and lost our data, like, if you're holding on to that 25 years later, like Move on, you're the one that probably it's time to retire yeah, no, it's time to catch up yeah, so we can't belabor 25 years ago that we might have made a bad decision to Now. Let's fix it Now, let's, now, now, let's. You're not putting the genie back in the bottle, gosh.
Speaker 2:Has Zillow been around 25 years? I don't know, I have to look, but it's been. It's been around for a long time. The choosing to syndicate our listings happened, and it wasn't just Zillow. I mean like, syndicating our listings happened. I mean, yeah, along back when Al Gore invented the internet. Amen, yeah, no, I don't. Yeah, hanging chads Like, oh, now can we go back to that? Al Gore invented the internet and hanging chads. That's a lot less problematic than what we're dealing with now.
Speaker 1:It really is yeah, my gosh, and that's kind of to segue into with the time we have left. Yeah, really, I was so impressed because I stayed more on the Women's Council side this time. First of all, I loved DC.
Speaker 2:I had never been Well you know what I love going to the Kraken?
Speaker 1:I play pickleball there every time I go and it's amazing. Loved DC. Yeah, all the dogs Loved the little neighborhood I was in. Yeah, it was so much fun. Loved it, loved it, loved it. I got to run. It was National Running Day, so it was fun to run through a DC neighborhood. That was super cool. Yeah, it was not hot or sweaty.
Speaker 2:OK, no, no the weather was beautiful.
Speaker 1:It was beautiful, yeah, ate at some great restaurants, but I was so surprised Maybe I shouldn't say that Surprised excited and impressed by what Women's Council on a national level offered.
Speaker 1:Awesome. The level of education and community was amazing, because they are really Tammy Knoll has been a great national president, sure, sure. And the shift and direction towards really working with the realtor community on the quality of the education we provide to these ladies, helping them become leaders in their communities and working on their mental health. Because that's what are you trying to say. So what are you trying to say, michelle? We're all a bunch of lunatics. Ok, we are. The stress and burnout is rampant, yeah, but what was interesting that? So you know, I went to a bunch of different seminars and you know different panels and things I thought we didn't even get to see each other.
Speaker 1:It was so weird. It was so weird, but one of the things that really stood out to me that I kind of went down a rabbit hole doing a little more research on, was the term quiet quitting, which we've heard about, that in the workforce, sure, but it's an estimate that 50 percent of realtors have kind of quiet quit Like they.
Speaker 2:Just I choose to demonstratively quit, not quiet quit.
Speaker 1:But anyways of quiet quit, but anyways, just kind of backed off and given up because they haven't received the education they need, the coaching they need. Plug for Ignite United membership coaching. Some momentum has started, sure, but if you're not getting coached or educated or just poured into by your broker, you need to find a space where that's happening for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no one. No, I think that's the problem. Here's the problem. Again, we have a vacancy of leadership in real estate and that's where I think we've lost our way, because at the brokerage level, that used to be where we would see the leadership and the support. But we as an industry have discounted what a broker should do for us or what a broker should make in serving us, right. So now the brokerage model, the traditional brokerage model, is dead, dead. It's dead as a doornail. There is no profit margin, so instead they're having to focus on joint ventures and diversification of revenue streams and things like that. Well, what does that mean? You can't hire the best educators and trainers and mentors in the business to be in those real estate offices?
Speaker 1:Which means the level of training and education that these new agents are getting is horrible, right, and we have all of these agents that have come in since 2020, and they do not know how to run a business. More than half in the state. Yeah, they don't know how to run a business, right. They don't know how to run a business, right. They don't know how to not get fired by a listing. Yeah, because it's been on the market for 90 days. Yeah, yeah, it's quite interesting, which is why look, wcr is doing it.
Speaker 2:We are Metro, texas in the midst of a very public merger with the Collin County area realtors. And you know, because bigger and more united also means we have the ability to serve and provide more to the real estate community. And where it used to be the brokerage and the brokerage would say don't get in our business, don't educate our agents, we can handle giving them technology and services and all those other things. You guys stay in your lane and don't get in the weeds of my business model. Yeah, and now you know what the brokers are saying Help, can you take these off our P&Ls? Can you do these type of things? So by the more technology we can subsidize, because between Collin County and Metro Techs subsidized, because between Collin County and Metro Techs we would be the third largest organization in the country, which boils down to almost 40,000 potential subscribers to technology platforms, that is need training and education. But my point to that is is we have the biggest bargaining ability being at 40,000 subscribers than a brokerage that has 5,000 to 8,000, even from a national level. Right, and so for us we're going now we're redeveloping our value proposition as to what the realtor organization, specifically on the local side should mean to you, and that means we might be the one that's bundling the services for you, because we can negotiate the best deals on new consumer portals and forewarn for safety technology and, you know, negotiating with great companies.
Speaker 2:I just onboarded with Jointly because they came into the association and said we want to be more embedded with you, so we're going to give you a more favorable you know yearly subscription plan because you're part of the realtor organization and for an independent broker, that's huge. Their backend platform is amazing. So if anybody's looking for a transaction manager and everything else, jointly is the best I've seen to date and it's consumer-friendly, agent-friendly, drives, an experience for both. So it's amazing. Shout out to Devon at Jointly. But those are the things that I think, as the realtor organization, we need to continue to do Superior education, superior services, technology and being the conduit to this very broken, quietly quitting community.
Speaker 1:Yes, and agents. If you're not receiving that level of education that you need from your broker, then you need to be reaching out either to MetroTax or to an organization like Women's Council of Realtors, or you need to be looking for coaching, and I highly recommend Momentum. Yeah, I do too. $97 a month, lots of coaching opportunities, but you need to be doing something to educate yourself and to be getting trained and mentored by someone that's a few steps ahead of you. No, hey, success leaves clues, guys, Absolutely, absolutely. So I think that's it for today, ashley, I think we nailed it.
Speaker 1:Nailed it. We did a lot. Guys, have a great week and we'll see you next time on Winning Women's Wednesday. See you later.