Can I Be Christian And Be Rich? | Andrew Gaines on Stewardship & Wealth

Welcome to the first episode of Tithes, Trust, and Term Life with Mikey Miller! Today, we’re sitting down with entrepreneur Andrew Gaines to talk about faith, money, and what it really means to be a good steward of wealth.

Can a Christian be rich? What does the Bible actually say about money? Andrew shares his personal journey—how he went from chasing financial success to realizing the power of generosity and stewardship. He breaks down the difference between simply getting rich and managing wealth with purpose, all while staying grounded in faith.

If you’ve ever wrestled with the idea of making money while honoring God, this episode is for you. Stick around for some eye-opening insights, and don’t forget to subscribe for more conversations on faith, finances, and purpose!

0:00 Intro: Christians & Wealth
2:00 Stewardship vs. Getting Rich
4:30 Bruce Wayne & Biblical Wealth
6:45 The Power of Generosity
9:10 Giving vs. Receiving: True Meaning
11:45 Overcoming Scarcity Mindset
14:05 Jesus' Teachings on Wealth
16:50 Biblical Promises of Prosperity
19:00 Breaking Money Beliefs
22:20 Vision, Impact, & Kingdom Wealth

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Transcript

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all right so I know you were a youth
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pastor how does that affect what you do
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now how does your faith Focus how does
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your faith apply to how you run your
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independent brokerage well when I was a
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college Pastor what we were really
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focused on was helping folks who were in
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that transition from high school to
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adulthood stay connected to a faith
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community because they found through
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most of the research through Bara and
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others that that pivotal time is really
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when young adults are saying hey I went
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to church because my family made me but
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now I don't have to so I'm going to kind
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of you know do what I want to do
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themselves from church exactly I don't
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have to get up early enough to go to
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church anymore so why why go yep and
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what you had what we had to do to make
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that effective was really build
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communities and what we found in the
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financial industry is that as folks are
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transitioning into this industry from
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all different types of careers most of
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the folks as you know that we work with
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are all second career professionals none
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of us come from a financial background
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yeah so being able to build a community
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of like-minded people where they can
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grow they can learn they can Thrive and
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they can crush it that was a I think the
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major skill set that we used and so how
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does your faith affect this industry how
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do you feel like your personal
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personally your faith affects the life
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insurance industry and the or the
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financial brokerage industry I think in
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a couple ways regardless of whether
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somebody's in finance or whether they're
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in medicine or construction or whatever
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background they're in um I think Faith
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plays an incred uh incredible role in in
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if you integrate it a lot of times folks
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will ask me stuff like you know how do
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you have a great work life Faith Family
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balance and I don't believe in Balance I
1:26
don't subscribe to balance I think you
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can have an integrated life but I think
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if you're doing a lot and you're always
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leaning into more you're going to have
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to juggle and so Faith to me instead of
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it being a piece of a puzzle it you put
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it at the center yeah and if you if you
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kind of keep God at the center with his
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his values his perspective his
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strategies uh the strategies he gives to
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live life the strategies he gives for
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successful relationships the strategies
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he gives for business I find that you're
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going to be able to keep everything kind
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of working together uh in it system and
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so building off of that what is what
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would you say you're personally from
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from the Bible is your personal favorite

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thing for keeping and building
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relationships with Christians and
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business um I don't know if I have a
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favorite but I think one of the ones
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that I found to be really effective is
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um the Apostle Paul brings up the fruits
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of the spirit right love your peace page
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kind and he walks through these and a
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lot of times when I learned them growing
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up I don't know about you but when I
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when I heard these growing up there was
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always a definition that was given for
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those words of what that would look like
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as an adoles or as a young adult or
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whatever in relation to my parents or my
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boss or a superior and for me that's
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kind of how I got exposed to the fruit
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of the spirit so as you're growing up
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you always view it within the hierarchy
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of someone who's maybe power-wise above
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you uh but I think they're incredibly
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powerful when you look at them in
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context of people that you're working
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along with or people maybe even in a
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management or a leadership perspective
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that you have a responsibility to serve
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and so I think if if going back to the
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fruits of the spirit if someone kind of
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re Rives in there and really reexamines
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what do those words actually mean
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especially in the original context that
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they were written in and not the modern
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context we have for these words today
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yeah if you go into like the original
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Greek and you look at love uh Agape
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right everyone's like oh it's
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unconditional love that's what Jesus had
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for us yeah it is but if you look at the
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real root of it the real root of that
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would drive one to believe in a virtue
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called courage because it's going to
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take a massive amount of courage to love
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people well yeah
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but we don't often talk about courage in
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a relationship context so the thing that
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we did in our brokerage is we took those
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nine fruits of the spirit and we went
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back to the original Greek and we said
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hey what are what are the real virtues
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needed to drive these and creating a
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culture around those I love that and so
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bring up I know so you were raised
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Christian I was yeah and so how do you
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feel and I know you went you grew up in
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ranch kukamonga right so we grew up in
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Southern California when I graduated
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college my wife and I our first
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Department was in Rancho konga yeah have
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you seen next Friday I haven't but it's
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it's on my list of things to watch I
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haven't watched it either but everybody
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always says Ranch cam is mentioned so
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it's a connection Point yeah how do you
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feel living in Rancho cucamongo when you
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were fresh out of college as a youth
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pastor working with your nonprofit how
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do you feel that affected your personal
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growth and your personal walk with
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Christ when I was working at the
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nonprofit I worked a nonprofit doing
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media there was some fundraising um I
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worked as a college pastor and I loved
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helping people people uh it was a it was

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a it was an easy industry to be in
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because you're serving people you're
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doing good um The Challenge was living
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in La wasn't making a lot of money and
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so I had to find a career where I could
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both have a massive impact but also make
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a bigger income and for a lot of the
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folks I think you and I have talked
4:47
about that are in our demographic right
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we're we're young we're hungry we're
4:51
after it we want more out of life I find
4:53
the two biggest things that young folks
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are looking for today is they're looking
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for a place where they can have
4:58
significance contribution meaning I'll
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bundle all that into impact but you
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still got to pay bills exactly and I
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don't know about you but there's a lot
5:07
of causes that that matter to different
5:09
people right my wife and I we care a lot
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about helping contribute towards ending
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human trafficking or rescuing kids out
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of that helping end the Clean Water
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Crisis in the world what are causes that
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matter for you uh honestly it's
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financial literacy because our gener
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this this new generation is extremely
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they think they're financially
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illiterate when they're really not
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because there's so there it's like the
5:29
over abundance of information out there
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on financial literacy it's it's an
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overwhelming amount of information and
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you'll see one or two things there's a
5:36
contradicting opinion on every single
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side of the financial l i are good I are
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bad annuities are good annuities are bad
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and so there's just so much credit cards
5:45
are good credit is bad right exactly
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there's just so much stuff out there
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that I want to help bring Clarity to
5:51
that by interviewing people who are
5:53
actually in the industry yeah makes
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sense with this how much have you made
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with your brokerage and since you uh how
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actually how much did you make in the
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first year first year we made nothing
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made $ Z the first 13 months being in
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business so dude you made 0o your first
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year how did y'all live doing that so it
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was tough and like I said working in the
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nonprofit space we were probably only
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making 50 Grand a year at the job so I
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was in the business part-time probably
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like a lot of people who do Uber lift or
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real estate or do something on the side
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and yeah it was it was crazy rough we we
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lived about 3 hours away from the office
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so in LA were driving 3 hours one way
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just to go to training uh but when you
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have a dream and when you have faith
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that you can make it work like you said
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um I I knew I didn't want to have a boss
6:40
forever I knew I wanted to be my own
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boss and I just had to get better yep
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it's when dream faith and passion all

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intersect yeah that it's really like
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something clicks and it's just like I
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need to do this yeah well how much did
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you make the second year gosh nothing uh
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13,000 15,000 bucks they was like
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absolutely part-time income and so what
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year did you really like explode in the
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industry so I made a decision to get
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serious about the business and stop
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stopped treating it like a hobby um
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probably around year three and when we
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did that we made $50,000 doing it 1520
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hours a week and that really replaced my
7:18
job's full-time income yeah and so we
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went full-time we made six figures in
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six months crazy and then from there I
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mean if you run a restaurant and it's
7:26
successful all you want to do is open up
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another one exactly just keep keep
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duplicating so we kept opening up
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financial planning offices and Insurance
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offices around the country and uh at
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this point we've helped around 2,000
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people get their license that's awesome
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yeah our number one gal she just turned
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28 she made a million dollars last year
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that's crazy that is insane yeah because
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I'm almost 28 and so thinking that a 28y
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old making a million dollars a year
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that's insane yeah especially in today's
7:53
economy especially because this is all
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it's all a million dollars cash flow
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it's not a million dollars of Revenue
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right take home how hard do you feel it
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is to get started in this industry with
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work doing what we
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do getting started is not the challenge
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for anybody if somebody wants to get
8:11
into real estate they're going to have
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to study and invest some money and pass
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a test and make some connections if they
8:16
want to go become a doctor to get
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started they're going to have to pay a
8:18
few hundred, in student loans go to
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school for8 to 12 years so getting
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started I think for a lot of people is
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going to be way easier in this industry
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than a lot of other Industries the
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challenge is is do you have what it
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takes emotionally to keep going and
8:36
dating marriage is the same way right my
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wife and I we've been married for 15
8:39
years now getting started you got the
8:41
fireworks you have the chemistry you
8:44
you're married so you know going on
8:46
going on year five that's what's up so
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in the beginning there's the excitement
8:49
it's new uh once you have a fight once
8:52
you have a disagreement then it's like
8:54
do I have the emotional uh willpower do
8:56
I have the discipline to say I'm
8:58
committed that's when your viewpoint on
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Love Changes and it's love moves from an
9:02
emotion to a choice it's absolutely am I
9:04
going to choose to love this person
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despite this fight or in spite of this
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fight yeah am I going to choose to love

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them for their flaws not are their flaws
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going to make me not love them and not
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even their flaws I find too am I going
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to choose to love them enough for me to
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change me and a lot of times in business
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what I find is people come in there's
9:23
the initial excitement I'm going to be
9:24
successful make a lot of money I'm going
9:25
to do this I'm going do that I'm travel
9:26
the world and once that wears off they
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have the the the emotional fortitude to
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keep going with I'm going to stay
9:33
disciplined I'm going to stay in the gym
9:34
I'm going to wake up like Kobe I'm going
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to go again and do I have the
9:38
willingness to change me to grow and
9:41
personally develop and some people just
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refuse to grow but the ones who do
9:46
choose to grow oh my God sky's the limit
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what does it take to get started with
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our with with what we do in the industry
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yeah uh you got to get a license so if
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you have any felonies misdemeanors
9:56
bankruptcies tax Lans it's going to slow
9:58
down your licensing process cuz we deal
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with people's sensitive information
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documents financials things like that uh
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you got to be willing to study for a
10:04
test you got to be willing to take 3 to
10:06
14 days out of your life and uh get a c
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or better on a multiple choice test and
10:11
you got to be willing to invest the time
10:13
and the resources to get trained um if
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you want to do any career any field
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someone who's ahead of you if they train
10:20
you you'll end up being successful
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faster so exactly got have a little bit
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of a little bit of skin in the game how
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did you find this industry how did this
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industry find you so uh what's crazy as
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one of my spiritual mentors she ran the
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prayer team at church uh she was a super
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famous actress in Hollywood was there
10:36
for 30 years if I said the stuff she's
10:38
been on you've been like everybody's
10:39
heard of that stuff she invited me over
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her house uh uh I thought it was a
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prayer meeting and one of her colleagues
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who was in this industry was there and
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everyone's kind of just chitchatting
10:50
hanging out talking having food breaking
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bread and I struck up a conversation and
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found out what this industry was the
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financial industry what the licensing
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took and that they were expanding their
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office and I was at a point in my life
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where even though I didn't have a whole
11:02
lot of self-confidence I didn't have any
11:04
experience I knew I had to do something
11:06
more than what I was doing so I asked
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hey would you give me a shot could I
11:10
come to the office could I you know have
11:12
an interview and they gave me a shot
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they gave me an interview I took it I
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got a license and decided I had to make
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it work why did you continue I know you
11:20
mentioned your faith being the push for
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it but this even though with that I know
11:25
it was what was what do you feel like
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the hardest point of was continuing with
11:28
it in that year yeah the first part what
11:30
you asked was how's how did my faith get
11:32
involved in it what's crazy is when I
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saw the financial industry on the
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insurance side of the fence because most
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people see the financial industry on the
11:39
stock market side of the fence exact or
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the crypto side of the fence and you
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know a lot

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of social media people all this good
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stuff they can make it look really sexy
11:50
like I'm a day trader I'm in crypto I'm
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in stock market oh Insurance that's
11:54
boring that's for old people so people
11:55
have their stereotypes no problem but
11:58
when you really get to the root of
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what's going on with some of these
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financial instruments a very different
12:02
reality emerges and one of the things I
12:04
found incredibly fascinating about the
12:06
insurance side of the fence the
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financial industry was that there are
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financial instruments or financial
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products that allow people to not just
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compound and grow wealth but to preserve
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it and control it and one of the main
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things that wealthy folks care about is
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not just is my money growing but we care
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about hey is it protected from Uncle Sam
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how do I get him out of my pocket and
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number two do I have a sense of control
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cuz if you have to give up control and
12:33
you have to sacrifice your money at the
12:35
altar of of Uncle Sam it's going to be
12:37
very very difficult to build and
12:39
compound wealth that way and not even
12:41
that but even with someone else managing
12:43
your money uh I think over in a 10-year
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Trend the S&P outperformed active fund
12:50
managers by like by a decent amount
12:53
Warren Buffett talks all the time about
12:55
it's hard to outplay the S&P but in
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Insurance one of the things was was you
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look at like all these churches right so
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I was involved in a church and maybe
13:02
some of the folks watching this go to
13:03
church uh I was pretty consistent
13:06
contributing to tithes I believe in the
13:08
the I believe in tithing as a spiritual
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practice as a spiritual discipline but
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what I noticed was a lot of the churches
13:15
from a business perspective would have
13:17
good-hearted people running the
13:19
organization with very little business
13:21
experience or business savvy that's not
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a condemnation of them it's just an
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observation of what I saw and when I
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looked at some of these Financial
13:28
products on the insurance side of the
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fence I realized that major
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organizations universities they all have
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endowments they have these pools of
13:37
money that will grow in compound over
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time they get favorable tax treatment
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and eventually the organization can
13:44
operate based off of interest from these
13:47
endowments without ever messing with the
13:48
principal and very early on in my career
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this dream got stuck in my heart oh my
13:53
gosh what if we could help the church
13:56
that's actually advancing the kingdom
13:58
the the church that's being the eklesia
14:00
in the earth that's advancing that that
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uh that campaign for Christ what if we
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could help them build an actual form of

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their own endowment where one generation
14:10
from now the salaries of the pastor the
14:12
people on staff the lights the bills all
14:14
stuff what if that stuff was
14:15
operationally covered and all of the
14:17
tithes and offerings and and what people
14:19
were giving was 100% Going to Ministry
14:21
so I got captivated with this idea of
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how to bring some of these different
14:26
strategies into the church and I said
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I'm I'm not letting go what do you feel
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like your biggest success has been with
14:31
that with bringing those opportunities
14:33
to churches I think the biggest success
14:35
hasn't even been on an Institutional
14:37
level yet I think it's been on a
14:39
relational level uh honestly to see
14:41
people who buy into this idea of
14:44
marketplace Ministry because it used to
14:46
be that if someone in the church saw you
14:48
as talented or anointed or gifted they
14:51
immediately attempted to pull you from
14:53
whatever field you were in y and pull
14:55
you into the church oh you should be a
14:56
pastor you should be a teacher you
14:57
should work in the church go to Seminary
14:59
and I think the greatest thing that
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we're seeing is people are realizing the
15:04
five-fold offices of ministry that Paul
15:06
talks about in Ephesians those offices
15:09
those domains of authority they exist in
15:11
every single sector of the marketplace
15:13
in every single industry in every single
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business and so to see people buy into
15:17
oh my gosh I'm not just a Christian at
15:19
church I'm a Christian in business as
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well I'm a Christian at my workplace I'm
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a Christian at my 9 to5 I'm a Christian
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playing playing pickle ball or whatever
15:26
absolutely absolutely so for people who
15:29
don't read the Bible or may not know
15:31
what are those five pillars so he talks
15:34
about in Ephesians them being Apostles
15:35
prophets pastors evangelists and
15:37
teachers and in the original language
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they have maybe a different meaning than
15:42
you'd just think of if you're watching
15:43
this without context but I I won't go
15:45
into that suffice to say the role of all
15:48
of those five different uh spaces is to
15:51
prepare and equip God's people for
15:54
service it's not necessarily an
15:56
authoritarian place of telling people
15:57
what to do it's an equipping place of
15:59
empowering people and you see in in
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Marketplace Ministry in business so
16:04
often if I want an organization to be
16:06
successful I've got to serve it I've got
16:08
to lead it through a very different way
16:10
than just managing it top down like the
16:12
number one businesses in America and the
16:14
world started with servant leadership
16:16
like Sam Walton with Walmart Sam Walton
16:19
gave his everything for Walmart he was
16:22
when Sam Walton was still alive Walmart
16:24
was one of the best companies you could
16:25
work for and nobody knew about it like
16:26
they had pensions they had great
16:28
benefits
16:29
and then the minute he died and that
16:30
servant leadership went away Walmart
16:32
started slowly slowly becoming more of
16:34
less of a career work career job and
16:37
more of a starter job it's really
16:40
amazing to see the impact servant
16:41
leadership and faith-based ser
16:43
faith-based servant leadership has on
16:45
even like major major 4 500 businesses
16:49
what would you say is your personal

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pillar out of that out of those um I
16:56
don't think I'm going to I'm not going
16:57
to tell anybody I'm under on that one
16:59
I'm totally Undercover on that one but
17:01
what I will say is this uh my number I
17:03
see my number one role and
17:05
responsibility in working with people in
17:07
in a in this case a business context is
17:09
to help someone identify their gifting
17:12
help them identify what would be the uh
17:15
the trapo that would sabotage their
17:17
gifting and then Empower them to be able
17:19
to develop that where they can be
17:21
successful in business because I firmly
17:24
believe if you have someone with good
17:25
character and you teach them good
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business principles they make a lot of
17:29
money they'll do good things with it uh
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I think money is a magnifying glass in
17:33
general it'll make somebody more of what
17:35
they are um I don't subscribe to this
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money is evil money isn't everything
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money is the root of all evil I don't
17:42
subscribe to that money is a thing money
17:44
can't be good bad it's just a tool yep
17:47
yeah what's your like number one tip for
17:49
success for someone who wants to get
17:50
into this with us I would say from a
17:52
faith-based perspective that if someone
17:55
has a vision of saying man I really
17:56
wanna I want to have an impact in the
17:58
world I want to change things uh whether
18:00
it's clean water whether it's human
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trafficking whether it's writing books
18:03
whether it's starting nonprofits whether
18:04
it's running multiple businesses they
18:05
they want to create wealth to be able to
18:08
have a kingdom impact they've got to be
18:10
willing to go through the process of
18:12
development and so often I find
18:15
specifically Believers in business they
18:18
feel like you know God's given them a
18:19
promise and that they're going to be
18:21
successful or they're going to make it
18:22
and they're hoping that that also is a
18:24
Magic Carpet ride to the end as opposed
18:28
to a golden ticket to the process but in
18:31
scripture God never promotes people that
18:34
he hasn't put through process exactly
18:36
and so getting into the industry I'd say
18:38
yeah you can make a lot of money yeah
18:41
you can become an incredible person but
18:43
you've got to be willing to grow to
18:45
change to develop and to evolve and so
18:47
that leads me into like the main
18:49
question here is can someone be rich and
18:51
be Christian you know I would say this
18:54
and it's going to piss a lot of people
18:55
off I think if you're Christian you
18:57
almost have a Duty and responsibility to

Breaking Money Beliefs
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Steward wealth and I think there's a
19:02
difference between being rich getting
19:03
rich staying rich and stewarding wealth
19:06
um the example is this uh everyone's
19:07
seen Batman I hope exactly you have uh
19:10
Bruce Wayne and you have Alfred and I
19:12
think everybody not everybody but just
19:14
follow me on this we see that we're like
19:16
man I want to be Bruce Wayne right I
19:17
want to be a billionaire I want to have
19:19
all the money I want to have all the
19:20
toys the big mansion I want to be a
19:22
superhero there's something about that
19:24
whole metaphor that calls to the the
19:27
space in us where people want to be more
19:29
have more give more and be powerful and
19:30
give back right um someone who gets
19:32
overlooked a ton is Alfred but Batman
19:35
couldn't be Batman and Bruce Wayne
19:36
couldn't be Bruce Wayne without
19:38
Alfred I thought that my calling in
19:41
business was oh my gosh God's gonna make
19:43
me a Bruce Wayne for the kingdom what
19:46
I've discovered along my journey is that
19:48
God's really calling me to be an Alfred
19:50
so you may have an incredible house
19:53
private jets unimaginable wealth at your
19:56
disposal but even when you do you're
19:59
still called to be a steward of it that
20:01
it's not mine it belongs to my father
20:04
belongs to the kingdom and so I think
20:06
moving into a stewardship mentality as
20:08
opposed to ACC cumulation mentality can
20:10
also help move people from a get rich
20:12
mentality to a build and Steward wealth
20:15
mentality what was your kind of like
20:18
mental switch that you had regard going
20:20
from being that Bruce Wayne to being
20:23
Alfred what what was that trigger um so
20:26
we were rock and roll in business and um
20:29
I was sitting down at the end of the
20:30
year I always do a business plan and I
20:32
always ask Holy Spirit I'm like hey Holy
20:34
Spirit this is your business not mine
20:35
what what do you want your business to
20:37
do next year how do you want this thing
20:38
to grow and I need some strategies how
20:40
do you want to grow it right so I don't
20:42
see myself as the
20:43
CEO um I see myself as a on the board
20:46
but I'm supposed to execute right and uh
20:49
I remember he gave me a really clear
20:51
directive that was insanely scary and
20:54
for us my wife and I it had to do with
20:58
how we were were going to increase what
21:00
we were giving and contributing and
21:03
there was a number and percentage and
21:04
stuff like that and so we just said okay
21:06
we sat down prayed and said Lord are you
21:08
really saying this and we tested it and
21:09
felt like it really was him and so we
21:12
the key Point here is we leaned into for
21:14
us it was a scary level of
21:16
generosity and when we Le leaned into a
21:19
new level of generosity it unlocked
21:22
something in our hearts of moving
21:24
towards stewardship versus ownership and
21:27
I would tell any body who wants to lean
21:29
into a space of like man how do I move
21:31
towards stewardship versus just
21:33
accumulation right uh lean into
21:36
generosity and and it'll unlock
21:38
something I know you've heard the phrase
21:40
It's better to give than to receive in
21:41
the Bible So and I've I've done a little
21:44
bit of looking into the original meaning
21:45
of it but well I know you know the
21:47
original meaning of it as well so yeah
21:49
if you look at the original Greek of
21:50
this piece there really are positional
21:52
words the real phrase is it's better to
21:55
be in a position to be able to give than
21:57
being stuck in a position to have to
21:59
receive and for sure there's folks who
22:02
will probably watch this and they're
22:03
like Andrew I'm on my last dollar Andrew
22:05
I have I'm on government assistance
22:07
Andrew my spouse left me Andrew you
22:09
don't know my situation what do you mean
22:10
like am I bad am I ungodly because I'm
22:13
in a position where I need help need
22:14
charity no I'm not saying that but if
22:17
you look at the words of Jesus he
22:19
certainly does not condemn being wealthy

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he looks at the heart posture people
22:25
have whether they have or whether they
22:27
don't have reminds me of the parable of
22:29
the the tithing Parable where it's the
22:30
two Pharisees who are over there and
22:32
they're tithing a bunch of money a bunch
22:34
of money and then the poor woman comes
22:35
up and tithes her last
22:37
coin and Jesus says truly she is more
22:41
wealthy than them she is making that
22:44
effort to even though she is broke even
22:46
though she doesn't have anything she's
22:47
still making the effort to give to God
22:49
give go give back to God what is God's
22:52
yeah and a much more difficult position
22:54
to give from I think I think the real
22:56
heart of the issue for me is
22:59
if someone's in a spot where they're
23:00
like man I don't have a lot well God
23:03
specifically said I've given you the
23:05
power and ability to go create wealth to
23:08
advance my Covenant in the earth and so
23:11
everyone has the ability to create
23:12
wealth we have limiting beliefs we have
23:14
limiting mindsets we have things we have
23:16
to outgrow but I remember when I was
23:18
really frustated with my income and I
23:19
felt like it wasn't fair and oh my gosh
23:21
I'm worth more and my job should pay me
23:23
more I'll never forget what my mentors
23:24
said they said why do you keep whining
23:26
and being a victim about the fact that
23:28
you're underpays you if you choose to
23:30
stay there no one's chaining you to your
23:33
desk every Monday Wednesday you choose
23:36
to show up to that job so choose to go
23:38
somewhere else and it woke me up of like
23:40
you're right I am being a victim so I
23:42
have compassion for people who are in a
23:45
rough situation and they want more it's
23:49
difficult for me to see someone who's in
23:50
a rough financial situation and they're
23:52
voluntarily choosing not to make moves
23:55
to grow out exactly what would you say
23:58
your number number one tip of advice is
24:00
like your number one advice for me on
24:02
growing in this business as a newcomer
24:05
to this business someone who wants to
24:08
grow who wants to help who wants to
24:11
explode I
24:12
guess I would say for anybody who wants
24:15
to do something big in business um
24:17
really have a vision of what the impact
24:19
is you want to cause not what the income
24:21
is you want to make there's nothing
24:22
wrong with having targets and goals and
24:24
financials and all that it's good to
24:25
have the business plan but have a real
24:27
clear outcome of the impact so you look
24:29
at Jesus this one's really going to mess
24:31
people up so when Jesus died it says
24:33
that all the Roman soldiers were around
24:35
and they were rolling dice playing poker
24:37
so they could figure out who gets to
24:38
keep his clothes and it was notable
24:41
enough that the author of the of the
24:43
Gospel said his clothes were worth three
24:47
years wages so the average income in
24:49
America today let's say it's
24:51
$60,000 so if Jesus were alive today
24:53
he's rolling around in clothes that cost
24:57
aund what is it
24:59
$180,000 so we're like oh my gosh he's
25:01
wearing a Louis V oh my gosh that Gucci
25:04
it's so easy to get judgmental about
25:06
people who are spending money Jesus is
25:07
rolling around doing his miracles in
25:10
$180,000 worth of garments and people
25:13
know it and he has no problem rolling up
25:15
that way and he'll sit with the leper
25:17
and he'll sit with the rich person and
25:18
he'll sit with the business owner and
25:19
he'll sit with the prostitute we have
25:21
issues on wealth God has no issues on
25:23
wealth if God had an issue with wealth
25:26
then why did he promise he would give it
25:28
if we we were faithful if God had an
25:30
issue with wealth then why did he give
25:31
Solomon a trillion doll building project
25:34
if God had an issue with wealth why
25:36
would he say something like hey Malachi
25:38
if you bring the whole tithe and the
25:39
whole offing offering into my house test
25:42
me in this see if I won't up open up the
25:44
windows of blessing for you there won't
25:46
be room enough to receive it God
25:49
promises as his people are coming out
25:50
I'm going to give you houses you didn't
25:52
build Vineyards you didn't plant Wells
25:53
you didn't dig those are all wealth
25:55
creation vehicles in their agrarian
25:57
culture of the time
25:58
so God doesn't have an issue with money
26:00
or wealth we do we have all kinds of
26:03
limiting Blueprints and beliefs about it
26:05
so for somebody who wants to do
26:06
something really big in business I say
26:08
one have a very clear impact about the
26:11
benefit you want to cause for other
26:12
people number two identify your money
26:15
blueprint what's the money blueprint you
26:17
got from Family Church friends
26:19
professors teachers what's your money
26:21
blueprint and then figure out man where
26:23
do I have limiting beliefs about money
26:24
and how do I rework a new money
26:26
blueprint if someone will do those two
26:28
things
26:28
they'll be very clear on the impact they
26:30
want to cause and how they want to make
26:32
other people's lives better by creating
26:34
wealth and if they'll examine their own
26:36
money blueprint man it's it's going to
26:38
be a incredible incredible story hey man
26:40
that dude that was awesome those are
26:41
some amazing gems you just dropped uh
26:43
thank you for coming on here it's been
26:45
amazing it's been incredible to hear
26:47
your story and all the gems you've
26:49
dropped along the way great being with
26:51
you



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