Zimbabwe’s Music Star Nutty O Joins With Nyasha Michelle 🎤

🎙️ SEASON 4, EPISODE 2 IS HERE 🇿🇼🔥

This week on With Nyasha Michelle, Nyasha sits down with one of Zimbabwe’s biggest musical exports, the incredibly talented Nutty O 🎤✨

Born and raised in Mbare, Harare, Nutty O has become one of the defining voices of Zimbabwean music, known for his distinctive fusion of Zimdancehall, reggae, and Afro-influenced sounds. From becoming the first Zimbabwean artist to be featured on DJ Edu’s BBC Radio 1Xtra platform to releasing award-winning music and building an international fanbase, his journey is one of resilience, vision, and undeniable talent.

For our Zimbabwe special, it only felt right to spotlight an artist who continues to carry Zimbabwean music onto the global stage. 🇿🇼🌍

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Life could have been worse. What? Music is virtual in that way. Play with it, you die young. Rejection, betrayal, sabotage. Time I spent two years going to the studio, I didn't record a single song.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

How hard has it been?

SPEAKER_04 0:15

It's through the grace of God that I made it. I'm here sitting with you.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

What did it feel like when you were on that stage?

SPEAKER_04 0:23

If you're not comfortable on that sport, leave that sport and let someone who can kill that sport. Sometimes I feel like I was the one, you know. The industry that people are saying we don't have and the infrastructure we don't have will never be there if the mindset is dead. But is everyone doing to better? This that we say we do not have to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

How are you doing? And welcome to episode number two of season four, the Zimbabwe Special of With Nyasha Michelle. If you feel that yo, this girl is heightened when it comes to her excitement, why would I not be, man? Not only am I in the motherland, Zimbabwe, but also I'm going to be speaking to some of the greats that come from this country, from across different um industries, actually. So just make sure you keep on watching and tune in every single time we are dropping a new episode. And my guest for today is literally, he lives everything that I've just said. And in fact, beyond that, because you and me are going to find out how he's gotten to where he is to be one of the most recognizable voices when it comes to the Zim music scene, an ultra-cultural scene, if you ask me, because he knows how to, you know, have the slick hair and the good clothes too. But before we get into it, and I tell you who is joining me today, I want to remind you if you haven't, please subscribe to with Nasha Michelle. Press that button if you're watching on YouTube, if you're listening to me, uh wherever you are, make sure you also follow. And do not forget to share with everybody and also follow us on those socials. I am at nyasha Michelle underscore. And then the podcast is with Nyasha. With Nyasha Michelle. See, I'm a little bit excited. That's why I'm like going over my words. Because what I want to do, which is what you're probably thinking, Nasha, get into it. Who are you talking to? Who am I gonna hear? Before I tell you, if I say to you, ability extinction, what does that mean to you? Who comes to mind? If you ask me, that is one of the best things a person, a talented person, a musician can do, have a brand that sets them apart. I can only be talking about the one and only Nati oh. Hello, hello.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

Yes, Nasha, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

I'm great, thank you. How are you?

SPEAKER_04 3:21

I'm all right.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Thank you so much for joining me.

SPEAKER_04 3:24

It's an honor to be here, too.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

It's an honor to be joined by you on your in your home town.

SPEAKER_04 3:31

You know, it's always an honor. You know, I've always wanted to sit down with you for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

You know, that's so nice. You said that to me the other day. I was shocked, you know. I was surprised when you said that.

SPEAKER_04 3:41

I really wanted to do it in the UK.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:43

So for me, it was kind of like a disappointment why I never got to sit down with you and for because I've been watching and following your stuff too.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Yeah, and I see what you've been doing. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

No, I really appreciate that. I really, really appreciate that. It's very, very humbling. I can say the interview's done now, but no, it's not about me, it's about you. Um when it comes to what you just said, yeah, don't forget, yeah, there's always as long as God has allowed me to keep breathing, we go back, we're going back to the UK. Definitely. And with Nyasha Mission was carrying on, and I have friends off the show. So you're always welcome to come back uh whenever you're back in the UK. But whilst we are here, let us really start. I'm very much looking forward to this because I want to get to know you beyond your music. Um, I think you're very pioneering in what you've done. Your sound is very distinguishable, and also you have managed as well with your music to go beyond Zim um music, music, Zim collaborations. Yeah. Essentially, you've gone global. But before we get there, let me reel myself in a bit. I want to ask you a question that I ask everybody when they are in front of me. And that question is: what is one defining moment that sets you on the path that you're on today?

SPEAKER_04 4:59

Um, I think I would go back to the moment where I met Ted Riley, Michael Jackson producer, the new Jack Swing, Abu Dhabi, book my commemoration. I was the only African kid on that stage. He identified me and came to me and told me that he would love to see me on stage when he's performing and would do a performance on his one of his hit records in Redika. I think that moment up to date, it was a definitive moment that sets me apart from whatever tease I would try, you know, balance myself too. I always reflect to that moment because that was legendary. Yeah, it only takes a legend to recognize well in the making.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Okay, I like that humility. I I like that humility, legend in the making. Yeah, um, what did it feel like when you were on that stage?

SPEAKER_04 6:04

For me, it was like I told you, it was fulfilling because when we're on this journey to we're in this journey, we're also searching for answers, we're also searching for ourselves. It's also another process within the process of being alive on earth. While we're doing what we're doing, we're also searching for answers, we're searching for ourselves. You need to reach a point where you fully understand and align with what the creator sent you to to be or to do on this earth. So for me, that was like, okay, I've been trying, I've been trying, I've been trying. And this happens, it means I'm on the right path. Whatever it is that I've been doing, whatever process I've engaged onto is working. Because if Ted De Riley, the new Jack Swing, can just see me and say, Yo, I love what you're doing. I have to be with you on stage. We need to do this. Confirmation. There's no validation that beats that. So to me, that was the moment that led to the mustard seed. After that moment, I came home and I told myself I was a seed. And I was gonna grow into a flower, I was gonna grow into a tree. And this is the process now I'm on to.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

I love, you know, like mustard seed. I will say, to date, that is my favorite album. I love my favorite song on there when I just need that oomph. Firstly, when I need a vibe, when I need the oomph, when I need, you know, just to even connect with God, just you know, those positive affirmations. Handy peri powdi peri. Yo, when it like the beat just drops, I'm just like, ah, but you know, I have to rule myself in. This is the second time I've said this, because when I, me, Nyasha, like when I talk to certain people, and I'm I already admire your craft, I already admire what you've done. I'll come to you with a thousand and one questions, and then you now start telling me your story. And I have to kind of be like, okay, no, let me paste it, and let's not miss some of the key jams that you've mentioned, right? So uh if we just go back to what you said earlier, that was a very interesting defining moment. Uh, it made you uh come back home and be like, yeah, you know, um that's why you that's where the idea of master seed came came back, came out of. And then you also you mentioned something about the throughout life we're trying to figure out our purpose, what the maker put us here for. So tell me about your journey when it comes to finding out your purpose. How hard has it been? How easy has it been? What did you think, or who did you think you were gonna be when you were a child? And does that how does that compare to who you are now?

SPEAKER_04 8:58

Well, um, I was born a musician, that's facts. Grow up on this music, different type of genres. My mom, I was an RB baby. I would say I was an RB baby. My mom would make me listen to enough RB. My dad would make me listen to Reggae. I was singing for my mom until she could sleep, you know. That's the story of my life. So I knew somehow the music, the the the musical aspect of things was around, you know. Though I wanted to be so many things, because you know it's a journey, like I told you. You're trying to figure out who you really are. It's unfortunate some people even leave this earth, depart this earth without figuring out who they really are. Yeah, some find it quick, some find it along the way, some don't even. Yeah, so it's a privilege for me because whilst I was trying to be an accountant, I was trying to be a uh telecoms engineer, I was trying to be uh a psychologist, I was trying to be a lawyer, all of these things. Just one day I just sit down and I feel like yo, when I sing at school, people are when I sing, when I speak music, yeah, it changes something, you know. And these are these are the things I could lose sleep for. And you know, when that happens, you know for sure that at a certain stage in your life when you're fully aligned, passion takes over. Doesn't matter what you have, what you're doing, passion takes over. And I decided look, I'm still doing academics, but I'm a musician.

SPEAKER_05 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

And I'm gonna have to pace it because I know exactly what I need to do. That's why you'd find me at the number one song when I was still doing my telecoms. You know, I would be schooling, and I uh my song is a number one, and I knew what song was that was um a dance or song. It was um a song called uh War Zone. Wow, that those times, you know, Zim Dancer. We all yeah back in our Zim Dancer culture back then. Couple of songs I had Kwanda Vakure, uh huh. Which went and played in the UK, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Cause yeah, that I think back when I think that's when I first um got to know you as an artist, yeah. Yeah, and and again, like uh one of the things that I think I liked about your music first was the lyrics, the messages behind your uh your music. And of course I've mentioned this already about like Master Seed and Handy Pere Power, but now let's tap into that. Like, how important are lyrics to you and what message are you trying to send? Because to me, you don't seem like just an artist, you seem like an artist who speaks things into being. Why is that important?

SPEAKER_04 12:06

It's important because you know it's not just music, it's not just singing. Music is highly spiritual. Yeah, music controls things that we don't even know, it controls music. So I feel like our scent on earth is a vessel to usher different type of light through the medium of the music, yeah. And when you sing, when you write lyrics down and you vocalize them, to me it's a prayer. Prayer is not kneeling down, or you know, it's not kneeling down on your own and you know, saying words and trying to converse with the creator. No, prayer is what you do every day when you're fully aligned. You whatever it is that you do is prayer. So, me, when I sing, it's prayer. And when I sing, I expect someone to resonate with those lyrics, and when they sing along too, they're actually praying for themselves and they're praying for my for my for me too. So that's how I see it. So I'm careful with these lyrics. I take time with these lyrics because once these lyrics are out, anything can happen to you or to others.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Yeah, yeah. Wow, so then what are your thoughts on some of the lyrics that other artists bring out or they say and they sing, and they have a negative connotation to them, or they're derogatory, um, or essentially they're like a negative um declaration of self. What are your thoughts on that? And do you sing to them? If literally the beat is banging, like the song is hot, everything. How do you then do you do you still vibe to it, or are you like nah na na na nah? My principle goes beyond my music, it also goes into the music that I listen to and I vibe to.

SPEAKER_04 13:58

Honestly speaking, I barely listen to things I don't want to experience.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

A man of principle.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

I don't wanna listen to stuff I would not want to experience, or I would want my friends or my people to experience. Because look, this is a portal. Like I say, music is spiritual. Feela Kuti once said, if you play with music, you die young. Wow, that's true. That's true. Play with music, you die young. Go look it up, yeah. Because music is spiritual from the from in from the inception, if you go the the they say the devil was a musician, yeah, yeah, yeah. Music is spiritual. Music was used to heal the Bible. Someone sang, and the king would feel good. David, yeah, you get what I mean. The walls of Jericho, it's all sound, it's all sound, it's all sound. So that's what music does. So you cannot play with that too. You cannot be out here sending out negative vibes with the music and expect to live good. And you expect those things not to catch up with you directly or indirectly, because what you send out comes back to you. So music is spiritual in that way. Play with it, you die young. Wow. Misuse that too, it will come back to you quicker than you know, and it will temper with you. So, like, it's a prayer. If I say under petty power, I'm praying for myself. Yeah, I'm communicating with a higher self, I'm communicating with a higher force. And while you're singing that song, while that person is singing that song, while 20,000 people are singing the same song, don't you think, don't you think, or do you think I'll ever, ever find myself in a position where I say, I'm out of strength, I'm out of the tendency to carry on no matter what goes on. Because that's prayer too. That's these are people praying for me too. Because whatever it is that I sing, whatever it is I usher, whatever it is that I do is prayer. So when people resonate with it, that's prayer back and forth. You empower, the same empowerment you send through comes back to you. What goes around comes back around.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Man, honestly, I am wild, and I'm so happy to have had the privilege for you to share that with me because it's deep, yo. And any of you watching or listening, and you're like, oh, I don't know what I don't understand, Shona, or I don't know what handipere power means. Of course, power is the English word, but handipere means like I will not lose it. So I will not lose power. It will not lose it.

SPEAKER_04 16:47

You're not, yeah, yeah. They said it will, I will not lose it.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

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SPEAKER_08 17:58

Now, back to the show.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

When you were talking before you mentioned the some of the stories in the Bible, right? Um, when you were talking about music, do you know who I was thinking of?

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

David. I was thinking of David because David used music and it was very, very powerful. I think in the Bible with David and in the book of Psalms is where we realize the power of prayer, the power of worship, the power of music, right? And then, of course, the story between him and uh the previous king. Uh, so I wanted to then ask you with everything that you're saying, and you've mentioned a higher power. Do you have uh a faith? Do you have a belief? Um, and is it anything that you want to share about that and why that has been pivotal in your life?

SPEAKER_04 18:42

Yes, I believe in God. Yeah. Jehovah God. Yeah. Yeah. I believe in God, and I'm a prayerful individual. Um, it's important because trust me, we we we we we we were not here by coincidence. The creator, just like how we create music, curated everything to be what it is. And somehow we have to follow a certain protocol and a procedure that feeds back and forth. Yeah. So that you feed the soul, you feed the spirit, you feed the physicality, the balances to be struck. I believe in God, and God has done a lot of great things in my life. Uh some things I don't deserve that I have right now. You know, I still get to stages where I ask myself, yo, how quick. Yeah, you know, life could have been worse. Um from Mbari, you know, yeah, born and bred and not know. Yeah, born and bred in body grew the hard way, lived life the hard way. I've I've I've lived old dimensions, old paradigms, I guess, and there's so many to come. But I have the the the the the essence, the basics. I have the basics, and it's through the grace of God that I I made it. I'm here sitting with you conversing today, Monsieur. Yeah, it could be somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Yeah, and we're here talking about your music and the impact that it's been making, not just in Zimbabwe, but beyond that. And you mentioned that you were, you know, you were born and raised in Bade. And Bade is like uh it's it yo, it's where people you're made.

SPEAKER_04 20:39

It's the trench is the root, is the root of all greatness.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Yeah, yeah, it's very funny because like I think about, for example, why I did a season, uh previous season, all in South Africa, and we had to do the finale in Soweto. Exactly. Because Soweto, you know, oh the amount of creatives and talented individuals and celebs who've come out of Soweto is wild, you know. But when you go to South Africa, sometimes people say to you, Oh, yo, yo, yo, yo, no, no, stay away from Soweto.

SPEAKER_04 21:09

So maybe, so maybe so maybe we have another episode hanging where we have to do it in Baddy.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

I think we do. Yes. I would love to show because you know what I want is for this podcast to not just be, okay, yeah, we will celebrate Zimbabwe, but I want us to really be able to bring in other people who don't know of Zimbabwe, they don't know the country, they don't know the culture, they don't know the cities, they don't know the places that we're talking about. So taking them there and seeing it through the eyes of someone like yourself who was born and raised there, and still, you know, um, you know, pays homage to where take you to my grandparents' house where I grew up. You know what, guys, watch out for that. Watch out for that. Because we have to do that. That's like such an exciting thing. Because even for me, I wasn't I never really went to places like Mbale um when I was growing up. So what was it? Like for you growing up there?

SPEAKER_04 22:02

The nicest you could, you know, like it's like you're asking someone how is it to to to to grow up in so we to body is like for me the hub of greatness. So many great things have happened, you know, so many great men are raised out of that, out of that, out of those trenches.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:25

Footballers, musicians, uh you name it, engineers, anything you want. I feel like I don't know, you know, people would shoot me for this, but I feel like there's a certain level of favor that follows people grow up.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

I agree with that, and one of the reasons is it's kind of aligns with what I said about Soreto. I'm I know I'm they they're different, but I'm putting them kind of on the same fix because, for example, certain people will think, let's say if you're from America, maybe you might think about Compton, right? You might think about Compton. If you're from London, where would you think? I don't know. But like there's some places where oh actually, actually, fun fact about me, I've never I don't really talk a lot about like my childhood or whatever, but like um I uh when I moved to the UK, I moved to a place called Deptford, you know. This is me like, well, young, whatever, you know, doing my thing. And then I went to college, yeah. I moved there like, I don't know, like really young, like 12, 13, whatever. And then I went to college now, yeah. And mind you, me, I've always said this, me, I'm a bit of a nerd. So I was the good ghetto, blah, blah, blah. As I go to college and people are like, oh yeah, where are you from? Where are you from? And then um, as I come from Deptford, people are like, oh, you're from Ghetto, you're from Ghetto, you know, they call it Ghetto, you know, and I was like, I'm they're like, no, you're not fucking Ghetto, I never see you around. And I'm like, listen, I am that one child that goes to school, comes back, doesn't go and do anything else like that. But places like that, be it in the UK, in South Africa, Zimbabwe, there's a lot of talent that comes out, there's a lot of grit, there's a lot of hustles that come from there. Now you're from there, you've achieved this global success. What do you think about Mbade? Like, is there any aspect of growing up in a place that, you know, ain't that easy that prepares you for life outside when you're older as well?

SPEAKER_04 24:18

Yeah, definitely. Whatever it is that we go through somehow is preparing us for what we're supposed to become, or it's indicating to us who we're supposed to be. Jim Saland said circumstance doesn't make him in, but it reveals him to himself.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Nice! You're just dropping gems.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

First it was the alignment, then passion comes, and then that. Nice, okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:43

So, you know, the harder the battle, the sweeter the victory. So you have to see why you are in this situation? What does it mean? You need to decipher what it means ultimately, it has to lead to something great.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Yeah, and so, like in terms of leading to something great, you mentioned earlier that your mom used to sing to her.

SPEAKER_05 25:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:02

Yeah. So when did you get to the and then also you realize, yo, like when I sing at school, people like they like it, they they go to it. So when did you then move from okay, I'm not gonna be doing, I'm gonna leave the telecom stuff, I'm gonna leave the accounting stuff, and I'm actually gonna fully pursue music. And how was that journey? And you know, please answer this to me, yeah. As a person who I am who knows nothing about the Zim music scene, I am keen to find out how people like yourself, what you've gone through in order for you to get to this space, because a Zim music scene, I'm loving where it's going, it's amazing. You definitely are one of the people who I know I give homage to to say y'all have paved the way for a lot of people, right? But what was it like getting into the music scene?

SPEAKER_04 25:52

Difficult, yeah, difficult music scene is one of the most difficult, if you ask me. You see, with the way things are, the way things are, even economically, we are not so strong. It's hard for us artists in Indies to support the craft. You have to move and shake a lot of things. I know some of my guys going to work right now, yeah, but they're musicians, yeah, they want to support their musical hassle, but then that's just another part of the process, a small part. The bigger part is how you you make a mark in a scene like this, it's so difficult to make a mark. When I I was doing this inception, it was difficult for me because I was one that kid was singing in English, all of my songs were in English. I know that I didn't know Shona, but I was comfortable expressing myself English, and the scene wasn't used to that. And I know Shona. No, no, like I I faced resistance for three years, four years maximum. I could have, you know, I could have just given up. Given up, yeah, it was enough for me to give up. The resistance was enough for me to give up, but then when you like purpose, like I told you, I would say I was favored. You have to discover yourself in the process quickly so that you you decide whether you carry on or you don't, whether you you know you're made for this or you're you're not made for this. I had to fully search deep within and see what is it that makes me tick, what is it that makes me lose sleep, what is it that I can go hungry for? What is it that I can still do, and I feel like I have everything I want. What is it that feeds my spirit and my bones and my flesh, even when I ain't uh consuming things physically? It was music, and I knew that I was born to deliver music, I was born to deliver lyrics, I was born to deliver a message somehow through the medium music. I was born to use the Sonics to make a change. We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

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SPEAKER_08 29:09

Now, back to the show.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

What is one experience that you had? A negative one? Negative one. Almost took you out or whatever, but then you were like, Alright, cool, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep going. But one that you really was just like, you were just like this is this is a lot, a lot.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

We we we speak about the positives a lot, and we don't speak about the negatives a lot, but wherever there's a light, darkness is present. Yeah, um went through a lot of things. Some of the things I I I cannot talk about now, that all kind of difficulties that you know things that were enough to take me out of course I face rejection, betrayal, sabotage, sabotage, sabotage, like trust me, I time I spent two years going to the studio. I didn't record a single song. No, yeah, and my mom was giving me transport money every single day of those two years, and I would go out, I'll come back nothing. I would go out, I'll come back nothing for strong two years, and I held it down. I kept my faith. These guys were just telling me, I don't record that tomorrow. You record tomorrow, you record tomorrow, you record tomorrow. Even songs from the mustard seed.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Really?

SPEAKER_04 30:41

We go back to 2016, 2017. I was just, I couldn't just find an opportunity to say I'm sitting down, I want to record my album. It was you know, hustling. I would hustle to to record some of my songs, hustle for that time, for that opportunity, hustle for that moment where one of my guys is just free, and I say, Yo, bro, can we just record this song? I want to release my album soon. And that would never happen 2017, that would never happen 2018, that would never happen 2019, 2020. Finally released my first album, 2021.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Wow, what a journey!

SPEAKER_04 31:27

Yeah, sleepless night in the studio, yeah, moving on foot from Bari to wherever. I remember I used we used to do Mbari Town, Mbari Wadzana, Mbari Glenview, Mbari Cramboon, you know, and these are like are you jumping onto the combies?

SPEAKER_02 31:48

No, no, no, no, you're you're walking, you're walking, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:52

That is dedication, no food, no nothing. Hungry but determined. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Going.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Yeah. But did you believe that the Zim music scene is going to repay you? Because, like you said, like you know, it hasn't developed. Even the Zim music scene has been around for a long time. So let's not try to act like it hasn't been there for the longest time, yeah. It's been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 32:14

And yeah, and it hasn't fully, fully, fully reward so many people, truthfully speaking.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Why do you think that is from your perspective as an artist who's in that world? Because it surprises me. We've got such greats, like Olive of Mtukudzi, Thomas Mapfuma, who've come, who came way back. Those are like our parents' generation, right? And then there's people like yourself and a ja and a winky and all this stuff. And then you've got also the new generation also coming. This is not a new industry. Why do you think the Zim industry is still it has still hasn't developed yet?

SPEAKER_04 32:48

You want me to be honest? Very they say, well, I hear what I hear from a lot of people is that we don't have an infrastructure, we don't have infrastructure, we don't have an industry, we don't have that. But if you ask me what that means, infrastructure is mindset first. Okay, so before we have an infrastructure, the mindset behind what are we before we we build? What are we, what are we seeing before we build? What do we see and what are we doing to align with what we see? That's where the problem is. Whoever is out there, whoever is responsible for whatever it is that has to push Zimbabwe music forward so that it becomes a profitable structure. Yeah, probably is not doing what they're supposed to do. Okay, that's us collectively. Yeah, that's us collectively. You're a powerful way in your lane and you have something to contribute unto the entertainment. I can mention so many people in the UK, I can mention so many people in the South African music industry. All of these people as in when they're edifying other industries, you know, is still at this stage that we're in. What is everyone doing to better this that we say we do not have? Who is the promoters, the artists, the producers, the stakeholders themselves, the consumers? We all have a part play in this music. You see, find up to date, we like everything foreign. We like everything foreign. Anyone, everything foreign is brilliant in here, which is cool. Why do we complain that ours is not working when we cannot equate the love? Wow, who consumes Amapiano the most?

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Oh my gosh, Zimbabwe.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

Trust me.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Trust me.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Yeah, I would just ask someone to just replicate the same love that we maybe it can be better for us. That's the question you asked me. How do we better this? Yeah, we just need to do what is necessary. The same love we give the other things that we love is the same love we need to give to our own. Or even extra.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

You know, I'm I can imagine there might be some people watching or listening that they're like, uh, not to me. If you look at my playlist, it's all Zim artists. If you look at where I've spent my life, it might be it might be starting now. Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

Because there is a curve now, there is a shift right now as we speak. Yeah. Like, say there's a change. The Zim music scene now is getting interesting. There's shape, it's taking a certain direction. How many years did it take to reach to this point?

SPEAKER_02 35:44

No, it took a while. It took a while. And if I can give you some feedback, right? This is actually just me sharing with you and feedback to any artists that are watching or listening to this. You are not part of this. Because I met you in uh UK, and when you came to UK, you were doing your thing. You were you go onto the shows, you do your interviews. From a professional perspective, right? As a journalist, yeah, uh based in the diaspora. One of the things I would add to what you're saying, it has been holding back the Zim music scene, is the fact that a lot of artists do not like to do interviews when they go abroad. It is literally like I am chasing a rat. Like a rat doesn't want to be caught. Like you come, you're doing a show, you're like, okay, cool, do a press run, you know, come to the this, come to the that, you know, the different podcasts, the different radio stations and stuff. And it's so difficult to get hold of them. And then me as the person, the media person who actually is like, hey, we're working together here. We see your craft, we see your excellence, we want to put you on here, we want to tell your story, we want to push the music, which you guys keep saying, Oh, it needs to be pushed, this is the way to do it. But I feel like now I'm chasing you. Um, and so that would be feedback that I would say I would add to that. Like, I don't know if anyone ever really speaks about that. Um, I've heard it's a good side.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

You've heard it I've heard it, I've seen it. Yeah, but you see, it still comes back to what I was telling you the mindset. Why would one yeah, why would one person fully functional, a musician who aspires to to touch the world, travel abroad to perform, only to perform and not do anything else that edifies some of these things and come back home? Yeah, this is the mindset I'm talking about. The industry that people are saying we don't have and the infrastructure we don't have will never be there if the mindset is dead in that manner, in that way. Yeah, how why would I not want to do a BBC radio interview? I want to promote some people, okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

I'll answer. Some people have said, and I'll say inshana, and then I'll translate it, which means English, man. Like some people have said that for them they're more comfortable conversing in uh English and inshona. Some people have said that they are more comfortable conversing inshora. Do you think I don't even know why I'm even gonna ask you this? Because I feel like you're gonna bring it back again to the mindset, yeah. It always goes back to people back.

SPEAKER_04 38:23

Yeah, because look, there are kids out there who deserve to be on that sport, and if you're not comfortable on that sport, leave that sport and let someone who can hear that sport. I feel like it's it's fair because that's how we can only grow. We cannot hold on to the sport when yeah, okay. Is it fair?

SPEAKER_01 38:47

No, I think I think it is. I I think I think it's fair.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

Football. Football. If Lionel Messi is injured, or Lionel Messi cannot play 90 minutes, there's a Killian Bapi on the bench, 22-year-old Killian Bappi, talented, feet, capable, both legs, same power, equally skillful and eligible. Let the key play.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 39:14

If the team goes forward, if the team wins, we all win.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

No, I like that. I'm I'm this is my the very first time I've had a conversation like this with an artist in the industry. Um, and I think if people ask me, like, okay, yeah, Nyasha, what else are you trying to do, etc.? That's definitely one of the things I want to push more off. If we are the the the spaces in which Zimbabwe music can be promoted, they're there already. I just would encourage artists to kind of take heed of what you've said and and and what I've also mentioned here, but we're not really focusing on that too much. What we want to go back to is your music, and actually you've obviously like really tackled this whole mindset thing. That's very clear in what we've spoken about, it's very clear in your music. And we see it in some of the things that you've achieved, you know, being part of the Bob Marley project. Just tell me what that was, how that came about, and how you felt when it all happened, you know, and then after in even the aftermath as well.

SPEAKER_04 40:20

You know, like I told you, all of these things they kind of fulfill you, it was a fulfilling moment. Um Bob Mali, if if if the two biggest artists in the world, the history of music, it must be Michael Jackson or Bob Mali. Yeah, Bob Mali. If you ask me, Bob Mali is bigger because you know, play a one love, yeah, I play a Zimbabwe, and this is a person who played a part in our independence.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

He did, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

So having Bob Mali's vocals now in my studio and being given the privilege to do whatever I want to do with them and recreate using uh things that he has done using his inspiration. I don't think I need any validation if I am to tell you the truth. I'm gonna go for more uh bigger things in life as a musician, but I think there that that was a pinnacle. You can that one type of pinnacle you cannot mess around with. Who doesn't want to be in Bob Mali's shoes? Who doesn't want to be associated with that kind of genius? So you know that was fulfilling, and shout out to Kelvin, Kelvin Nana, the UK, and Taponeswa. Yeah, of course, Taponeswa for you know, we have to shout out Taponeswa.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

People might not know who she is, but Taponeswa Taponeswa, like honestly, she has been very pivotal in pushing the Zim um music scene, especially for me too. Yeah, she is a major supporter for you, even you being here when she knew that I was coming to Zim to this the Zim too.

SPEAKER_04 42:19

Hey, you need to see me, Shama.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Yeah, like all right, like honestly, like Taponazwa is an incredible individual who, of course, she's at the helm of uh the Africa brand of Sony. Um, but beyond that, I really I look at her beyond that. I look at her as like, you know, one who is from Zimbabwe, child of the nation, who has, you know, God has gifted her with what she's achieved, and she's worked hard to get to where she is, especially as a woman. And she's not said, okay, I'm here, that's it. Like she's now turned around and she literally put down the ladder, you know. And so, like, just shout out to you, Tepaneswa. Shout out to you, shout out to we love you, we love you, honestly. Um, and of course, you have when we stick into the Bob Marley thing. Would you ever consider redoing a Bob Marley song with Winky D in the future?

SPEAKER_04 43:09

Again, because I was with Winky D on this one. Yeah, it was me and Winky D. Again, I would love to. I would love to any day, anytime. Because remember, this project was Rama in it, Skip Marley in it. Yeah, uh, Tenny, Stone Boy. Now you guys made a proud kid, you know. So you just being part of that for me. This is these are cues in my journey. I'm just looking at these as cues, as signs, yeah, signs that just telling me where I'm going.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

You know, you have to see it along the way, along the journey. Say signs will always come through. You have to see them, and they will give you that the right uh affirmation that wherever you say going, you're gonna make it.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Okay. Now, in terms of inspiration, of course, have you ever Heard a song that you're just like, Yo, this song is just fire. I wish I was the one who either wrote it or that song was mine or so many songs.

SPEAKER_04 44:09

Yeah, so many songs. Burner Boy Bank on it. Old time favorite.

SPEAKER_05 44:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:16

Burner Boy Bank on it. I I just wish. Sometimes I feel like I was the one, you know. I feel because I that's so me, you know. Yeah, burner boy, bank on it. Um Wycliffe, Jin Whitecliffe featuring Lou Wayne and um an Akon. Oh, I'm gonna tell you, uh Eternity, cash shoes, everything. Around me, you you remember that song? Yeah, it's a long time song. Um there's a song, RB song. Uh okay, boys to men, water runs dry.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

I don't know that one.

SPEAKER_04 44:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

Maybe if it's if you sing it, if you sing it.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

Let me check my focus.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

Okay. We don't even talk anymore.

unknown 45:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

You know that song? I do.

SPEAKER_04 45:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:11

We don't even know where we are, you know. We don't even say I love you no more. Say how we feel is no longer loud. See, some people will work things out, and some just don't know. Yeah, listen away to the water and strike.

SPEAKER_04 45:38

Yeah, so like that. I wish I had wrote that song.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

I grew up listening to that song. Stand in the rain. Oh my gosh. I grew up listening to. I mean, when you mention Whitecliffe, John, grew up listening to Whitecliffe, grew up listening to Boys to Men. I my memories right now are not of UK at all. All my memories when you mention these people are of Zim, you know, running around in the house, and there is some type of music uh show on the in on TV, and those songs are playing, you know. Um man, if I had to choose one, I would choose Seal.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

Um SEO, the the famous Seal song.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

So what's the famous Ew song? Uh you know, people you can be in the comments and say, Nyasha, how can you mention the person, but you don't know? Kiss from the that's it. Yeah, Kiss from the Rose. Yeah. The Kiss from the Rose or Kiss from the Rose. What is it again?

SPEAKER_03 46:27

Yeah, I just I know it. I love that song too. Seal.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Seal, I remember being a kid sitting down and watching that video. And I was like, and you know, Batman.

SPEAKER_04 46:37

It was a scary video. Remember, there was Batman. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

No, that's true. That's true. But I was I was very fascinated by it.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

You know, and I could relate as a child, I could relate with the emotion that he was channeling. I didn't understand the song then, but now I know the song was ever, but then I could still feel like yo, this guy, yeah, there is some level of emotion in that song. Yeah, you uh yeah, you remember I I told you my mom, I was listening to a lot of RB. I still listen to a lot of RB, and I think it plays a lot a bigger part in how even uh my vocal tone, my intonation, how I decide to, you know, attack my clarity, uh, even though I'm a dance or reggae and dance who then RB and hip-hop kind of influences everything that I do within that. So the fusion.

SPEAKER_02 47:35

So, what is one reggae and dance or song that you wish you were the one who read?

SPEAKER_04 47:39

Reggae and dancer song?

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:41

Um Morgan Heritage Life is so unfair. Uh Sanchez Never Diss the Man.

SPEAKER_05 47:57

Okay, that one I know. You know that?

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Um I think um uh some UB40 songs. Oh yeah, UB40, and yeah Legends which one is this one I would uh say um come on.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

I think redemption songs yeah Bob Marley Redemption Song Yeah, that was that that was a beautiful one. Um, but I I feel like all of Bob Marley's songs were very beautiful, and I can tell that you mean this is nothing new, everybody knows like he was a D man, you know, the things that he would say, the activism in his music, including the activism, for example, in Fela Kuti's music, that is something that I admire about the musicians back then. Uh, what do you think is our form of activism in this generation? What is your as a musician, what is your form of activism?

SPEAKER_04 49:04

I don't know if I would answer that correctly.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

You can answer it whatever however true it reigns to you.

SPEAKER_04 49:12

I think it's because music being a weapon, right? Music being a tool that you can use rightfully or wrongfully to inspire or to you know that is my ultimate form of act reason. Whatever you all the social eels, what I expect society to be, what I expect the world to be, whatever it is that is not balanced around all of that, I put it in the music.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Ah, okay. Sorry to cut you because you've excited me with that answer. Yeah. What is one thing in Zim not to do with what you've mentioned already? Like, of course, we've heard about your passion about um the music and literary and how it could improve, etc. etc. But what is one thing in Zim that you would want to address that could change, that could be better, or that you've already addressed in your music?

SPEAKER_04 50:12

Yeah, no, I'm always I'm I'm always I'm I'm about empowerment, I'm about giving people intangible world in form of the wisdom, the right words, and just giving them the nuggets to to maneuver life with wisdom and intelligence. I've always been telling the youth that edify yourself devote yourself to the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom, and that's the start. That is the start when you can differentiate where you need to use knowledge and where you need to use wisdom, you you're not gonna fail in life. Yeah, so intangible wealth in the sense that you give people power, you give people hope to go through the next day, you give people um strength, you you're very so you're very so you know, different levels of hope, and you tap into different levels, different paradigms where you give people imaginative strength so that they can you know decipher it, take it down, use it whilst they're moving in their physical life, imaginative strength.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

Yo, I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

Yes, because strength uh real strength is imaginative. That's why they would say imagination beats knowledge.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

You have to imagine things, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

Okay, very, very interesting. And you know what? There are some artists as well that I know probably inspire you as well. So what is one who is one Zimbabwean artist that you would tell our listeners, hey, you should listen to this person?

SPEAKER_04 52:01

New generation or old school?

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Any, but one who's still doing music now. I think I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

That would tell people to listen to.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:21

I think Takura. I think Takura, Zimbabwean artist, the name Takura.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Takura.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

Shona Prince. Yeah, I I I I learn when I listen to Takura. That's uh for me, Takura.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

I agree with you.

SPEAKER_04 52:41

You have to listen to Takura. If you're a Zimbabwean and you want to listen to something that would just go beyond music, I'll listen to Takura. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Even if you're not a Zimbabwean, like the way even if you're not Zimbabwean, it's so easy.

SPEAKER_04 52:56

Yeah, he's easy on your ears. You don't have to be Zimbabwean to arrive to Takura's news, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

I I would say Takura for me as a non-musician has a level of excellence in his music that I'm just like, yo, the creativity, and then some it's just so sweet to listen to his music. Ah, but anyways, you guys all are just like very inspiring. You've definitely like inspired a bunch of us, and I've really appreciated hearing your story as well, how you were raised in Bade and you've come to be this man. I'm very excited to see what is next for you. Um, so before we move to the next segment, really, really quick, just tell us like what's what's in the future for you. Bearing in mind this will come out in 2026. So, what are we going to be seeing in 2026 from that?

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Yeah. So, yeah, maybe let me speak like I'm in 2026.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

Do it. Yeah, do it.

SPEAKER_04 53:49

We teleport into the future now.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

Love that. Love that. We're keeping that in.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Let's teleport.

SPEAKER_04 53:55

So, yeah, maybe you're watching this is 2026. I'm here with Michelle. We chilled, and probably by now, my album is out. Y'all going crazy out there with the album. I know your favorite songs already. And this is the time I was creating these songs. And this is the time I also predicted that 2026 was gonna be a bigger either than than it was gonna be. Uh 2027, it's gonna be crazy. Watch out.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

I love, love, love. Um it's that's the way that I think we should always have like a positive outlook on it.

SPEAKER_04 54:32

And yeah, go stream the album. The album is out now.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

Always go stream in any of his other songs. Like I said, if you've never heard of Handy Peter Power, go listen to it. But when you listen to it, do me one favor. Make sure you have very good speakers, radio, uh headphones, airpods, whatever it is. Because when it when it just drops, I'm literally hearing it now. I wish we didn't have copyright, you know, and you know, YouTube, you know. I can't like mess up the copyright, you know. So I would if I could, yeah, I would have played the song. So wait until this episode is finished and then go listen to Handi Perebama. Okay, now let's head over to pass the mic. We have a segment where a previous guest leaves a question for the next guest. You have the pleasure of answering a question from the one and only King Kandoro.

SPEAKER_04 55:32

Uh G. That's my G.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

That is your G?

SPEAKER_04 55:36

Actually, I actually respect Kandoro. Yeah. Big up Candoro.

SPEAKER_02 55:39

Yeah, you know, I'm gonna pass that on. But anyways, he's your G. You can tell him. Um, his question to you is where in the I'm gonna start, it's kind of two part. He says, Where in the world or in Zim? Uh, do you feel most at home and why? But I'm going to start with where in the world first do you feel most at home? Um, and then, you know, Zim. Tell me where do you feel the most at home in Zimbabwe?

SPEAKER_04 56:09

So two questions.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:12

Um, I think the UK I knew you were gonna say that. Yeah, the UK is my prime ground. When I'm the UK, I'm I'm good. I feel like I'm home. Yeah, I really I resonate with everyone. I have my Trine's there, my my friends from Trini, I have my gym and my yard is there. You know, I have my Zimba when people there, I have my Nigerians there that then I feel like it's a ground where crafty individuals align.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:46

It's a ground where all those who were curated to be crafty, they'll come together. They'll come together. So you understand each other. Yeah, there's no you feel like it's home. Yeah, I like it when I'm in the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I foresee myself. Moving. Well, I'll not move, but I'll I'll operate like a resident.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Yeah, do it. Do it, get a UK wife.

SPEAKER_04 57:15

Yeah, UK wife?

SPEAKER_01 57:16

Get a UK wife.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

What if I what if if I if I is there another is it is there another way around it with the music?

SPEAKER_02 57:24

No, I didn't mean get a UK wife in order for you to bypass the I know what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 57:31

I know I know what you're saying, but I'm saying is it is it's I mean that is a way too.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

I mean it just makes the process a lot quicker, but that's not what I was saying. I was just saying, you know, it it gives you even more because UK is such a melting pot, right? It's such a melting pot, and a lot of people, you know, they've got different experiences. It's a diverse ground, it's very diverse. She can still be Zimbabwean. She can still be Zimbabwean.

SPEAKER_04 57:54

No, what if I want I want something different?

SPEAKER_01 58:00

From where?

SPEAKER_04 58:01

Oh, why not the Caribbean or something? Okay, yeah, or or Central Africa, West Africa. Like, look, UK is a diverse ground.

SPEAKER_02 58:11

It is.

SPEAKER_04 58:12

Trust me, I love it in the UK.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Yeah, no, you're welcome to have. Okay, I approve, I approve. She can be from anywhere. As long as she knows how to, you know, enjoy and appreciate the culture and the music. We're happy, man. We are happy. Um, okay, now you get to pass the mic to the next guest. The next guest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

What Christian asked them.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:43

All right. I think the next guest, just ask them um what if what have they done that is absolutely new on this earth that is new, new.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

Hey, you really want people to start wrecking their brain. Because me, Albert, if you think because they say there's nothing new under the sun, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:09

But but but then you you also know that in the Bible was said that we can do more and greater than that is true. So there can always be something new. So to the next guess, what is it that is new? Something new that is absolutely new that you have done.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Wow, okay. I love that question, and it's actually making me think of what I would answer. I'll have a think. Um, and when I figure it out, I might send you a quick text. Uh, but for those of you, put in the comment what is one thing that is absolutely new on this earth that you have done. Um, Natia, thanks so much for spending the time to talk to me and to share your wisdom. I can't let you go without us talking about the song that is like it's flooding our TikToks. You know, the people are dancing to it, they're enjoying it, they're vibing to it. Tell me about too much, tell me about the inspiration behind it. But tell me uh how you feel when your workmanship is doing so well and people are vibing to it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

Yeah, um, I feel great, but these the the different levels of great. On this specific project, too much for me, I feel differently great because uh it surpassed what I had foresaw myself. Yeah, I didn't think it was gonna do like this. I never had a song that really really did that. Uh apart from Andy Petty Power and Safe, too much has like gone past those levels tenfold. Yeah, yeah, we're talking uh cru over 200 million uh tick, I mean two hundred thousand. Uh yeah, I think 140 million videos on TikTok right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

Yeah, there's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

And it's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

Yeah, I think I I I I was getting this test just recently. I have views that at 3 million, 3 million. I have for the first, I hit my first 4 million views on YouTube in four months. It's like it's doing a meal every, you know, I hit my quickest million. If I I hit hit my quickest million on music, you get what I mean? Yeah, so this was different for me. I didn't expect this the impact, the impact small kids to the elderly. Yeah, they're singing word for word. I go to primary schools, I perform this song. Sometimes I even wonder where these kids hear these songs from. Yeah, so yeah, you know, when music is like this now, I I thank God I feel like I am now. I will safely say, now, today, I'm rightfully in the right direction. What I really want to happen is gonna happen soon, in the next coming days. Yeah, yes, I trust me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

Honestly, congrats on that and the success of it. And just really quick, I want you to just tell us. You've mentioned how successful the song has been, including on TikTok. What for you makes a song that is successful beyond just people listening to it, but also on platforms that are quite pivotal, like social media platforms like TikTok?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:31

I think it's how the song was curated. Uh the science b the science behind creating uh not just a heat song, the science behind creating um what would I say, a timeless uh body of work. Uh it's the lyrics, it's the sonics, it's the choice of lyrics, the sound, and the timing. Yeah, we're in a Gen Z era. You have to understand what these guys want, or else you'd be left behind. In a Gen Z era, you have to understand the sonics they resonate to, and that's what I did with too much. The wording, the topic, too. Who doesn't want to glorify their better half? Yeah, exactly. And which better half doesn't want to be told that they're too much? You get what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Yeah, we all do.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

We all do you look great. Why wouldn't that you look good?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

Oh thank you. You just reminded me. Okay, guys, I must tell you that my outfit is all inspired by Nati O. Because when I was like choosing my outfits, I was like, there is no way I'm gonna be in front of. Remember what I said at the beginning, right? That you know, he's a pioneer in the music and the culture, but also for me, like your fashion, you know what I mean? Like your stylish person to me. So I was like, what am I gonna wear to make sure that you know I'm on the same level?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:06

Thank you. No, you know, you know, you know, the first line of the song is the time and designer.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:12

Yes. And you know, look at this, guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:14

Um thank you so much, you approve. I appreciate it. If you're a musician listening or watching, you know, I hope you've been taking notes on how to make the next biggest hit. Of course, I am not a musician, but I believe you should make the the music for the passion, for the people, not for the sake of getting like the clicks and stuff. But hey, it always pays to also, you know, get a song that lots of people are are singing to and dancing to. So go ahead and do that. You heard it from one of the masters. Um, and before I let you go now, yeah, now we have to do something that um I've decided to do throughout this whole season. There is a phrase that became um quite synonymous on social media, but for the wrong reasons, yeah, which is it's giving Zimbabwe. There would be that, hey, it's giving Zimbabwe, and then this what you would see would be like, you know, negative, bad, whatever. And what I've tried to do is I've hijacked that statement, and I am going to ensure that us as Zimbabweans are the ones who really change the narrative, and we tell people what Zimbabwe really truly is, particularly thinking of those who've never been to Zim or who don't know much about that country. So, Nati Oh, your it's giving Zimbabwe question is what's something about Zimbabwean culture that you think doesn't get enough credit or visibility globally.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

That's a tough one.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:52

The way you're taking a while now, people must be thinking, ah, does Zimbabwe not have a lot?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

Well, Zimbabwe might have a lot, but then I might not have a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

Okay, thanks for your honesty. Fair enough. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

I might not have a lot. And yo, I'm just trying to pick which one. Oh yo. Well, just like I feel I also feel like just like how Ghana, Jolof, Nigeria, Jolof, like how they how they have their their their little war. Their little war. But it's based on their on on food. Their food that is their ethnic type of food from their region that they like the most or that they eat the most. We also have a wide range of good, organic, nutritious stuff. Yeah. That the world is yet to discover. Yeah. Trust me. I think that's what I would say. That I feel like the world doesn't really appreciate about Zim. We have a wide range of those truly, truly organic.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:10

Fully required by you know something that the world needs that they don't know they need. We have it here. It's in the form of our organic food.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:21

What's one um food item that you would put in that category? Munieve. I've heard about what is it? I don't know what it is. I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:34

So my daughter.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:46

Oh no, me, I won't do my daughter. I was in the salon the other day, and I and I like I literally have a video of me of this man came into the salon, and this is a salon, like with these rows and rows of people, yeah. And a guy had like a big, big, massive ball of my daughter. I just said, okay, I'll just film, but I will not eat. How do they taste?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:06

That's my favorite. Seriously? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:08

How do they taste?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:10

Uh, if I tell you that's my favorite, you must know. I don't know. They taste good. Well, you should taste twice, you know. You see the music that I make, the music that I like, and if I like madora, you go okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:29

If you listen to Nati O's music, that beautiful taste you hear is what Madora is. But then how do we say Madora in English?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:39

Mopani worms. What you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:43

It's worms, guys. But um, they are still nice. They're a delicacy, they're a delicacy that people still eat. Maybe before the end of this trip, if we go to Mbari, okay. Let me let me make a deal with you. If me and you go to Mbari, I will try them.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:01

I'll I'll call my mom.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:03

Oh, your mom makes them? Yeah. Where do people get them? Where do they source them? Mm-hmm.

unknown 1:09:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:08

Mystica. Do you know the big market?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:10

Yeah, yeah. But I uh listen. Have you been there before? Perfect question. I literally have walked through it, and that was only once.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:17

I think you should buy a few things, Bamba Ira, uh, in in in in in in parts and just carry it, go with it to the UK.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:25

Guess what? Me and you, that's what we're gonna go and do. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay, yeah. All right, perfect, Nathalie. I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with you. I hope you have as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:36

I enjoyed, you know. Um thanks also for facilitating the nuggets. You also said things that you know provoked the the other things that I say, the other nice things that I said. So uh kudos to you. Um I've had different uh interviews. You know, this one is I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

Uh-huh. Thanks. Thanks. No, man, I'm I'm happy to hear that.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:59

We do one, we still have one to do inbade. Yep. I don't know when that is. We still have one to do in the UK.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

UK, exactly. That's what I say. You're now a friend of the show. So come through whenever. Mbare, we're coming to you. UK, we're gonna come to you as well next. I am Nyasha Michelle, and I've been joined by the one and only ability extension, Nati Oh, here in Harare, Zimbabwe for season four, the Zim special of with Nasha Michelle podcast. Thank you so much for uh listening. If you want to know more of Nati O's music, if you want to listen to it, if you also want to keep up with his life on the socials, just follow him at Nati O, right? ABX Oh yeah, ABX, that's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:42

ABX underscore Natio. There we go. Anything ABX Natio.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:46

ABXC, staying on brand. Figure out what your brand is and stick to it. Uh, anyways, I've been Yasha Michelle. Make sure that you like, follow, and subscribe to the podcast. And also you can find me on my socials at Nyasha Michelle underscore. Until next time, guys. See you later.