Shone: "I Didn't Know It Was Going To Be That Big"Joins With Nyasha Michelle

🇿🇼 Zimbabwean artist Shone joins Nyasha Michelle for a powerful conversation about dreaming beyond your environment, the life-changing moment he met Chris Martin from Coldplay, and performing in front of 70,000 people in Australia 🇦🇺

From being broke and choosing opportunity over money, to building an international music career while staying rooted in Zimbabwe, Shone shares the mindset that has shaped his journey and why no one else gets to decide when your story is over.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

I didn't know he was gonna be that big.

SPEAKER_06 0:02

Tell Sean why he needs to stop eating um McDonald's.

SPEAKER_03 0:07

There's a time where you have to leave ghetto. You know what? I could ask for money, I could ask for whatever, but that's not what I want.

SPEAKER_06 0:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:14

I was broke. I needed the money.

SPEAKER_06 0:17

In your experience, what could change and what could improve about it?

SPEAKER_03 0:21

How can I change the world when I don't know anything about the world?

SPEAKER_06 0:46

And if you're out there thinking, girl, you say each and every single episode is special, yes, you're right. Because it is. One of the reasons it is, is because this whole season we are filming in Zimbabwe and we're in Harare. Um, and I've been speaking to some of your faves and some people that you're gonna be learning from and meeting for the very first time. And today is no exception. I don't disappoint, right? Before I introduce you to this guest, let me give you a little bit of a hint. They're an international superstar. Boom, that's it. Yeah. When you hear that, I know you want to carry on. Um, before I introduce them, I want to thank you again for watching, subscribing to, and also just supporting the brand, man. Supporting with Nyasha Michelle. We love you, we appreciate you, and we want to encourage you to continue always coming in every Tuesday that we drop an episode um or we drop some gems for you. You can follow us at with Nyasha Michelle. You can follow me at Nyasha Michelle underscore. Um, and don't forget to share, subscribe, and make sure that everybody knows what's going on here on this podcast. Now, I did promise you someone who is extremely talented, international superstar. What does that make you think? Huh? Zimbabwe has international superstars if you didn't know. And one that is before me that I'm really excited to talk to is the one and only musician, Sean.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Okay, that intro is crazy. Why? Something else, hi. How are you? I go with the name Sean. I just want to say we just want to subscribe. I like it.

SPEAKER_06 2:30

Thank you. Thank you. See, an international star approves think button. You know, thank you. I've got the tick.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:35

How are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 2:36

I'm good. I'm amazing. Yeah, you look amazing, by the way.

SPEAKER_06 2:39

Thank you. So do you.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 2:41

What do you guys think of his fit? I mean, mine is real simple, right? I wanted to come with a clean, clean fit, yeah. That kind of reflects what I think you're like. That's actually what I've been trying to do this whole period. Okay. So I may have gotten it wrong sometimes, but I've been trying to like match the fit with the person I'm interviewing.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

But I go crazy sometimes. You do? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:03

Yeah, I've seen some of the stuff that's weird though, but that that's great. Yeah. So what's the craziest outfit you've ever had to wear?

SPEAKER_03 3:09

I've had like a pink outfit with some white paint. You with something else.

SPEAKER_06 3:16

Yeah, and then the fit that you're wearing is really cool. What does it say?

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Like uh I'm I'm I'm having these sold tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 3:23

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Yeah, it's it's saying Tambiza in your song, which I released. Yeah. Yeah, so I just had to make a few tracksuits and just sell them.

SPEAKER_06 3:29

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

I want one. They're going for cigars, you know. Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_06 3:33

Okay. If anyone wants to buy me one, if you want to buy me a um, you know a Tambisa tracksuit, yeah, guys. Drop it. Only $60.

SPEAKER_04 3:43

$60.

SPEAKER_06 3:44

Only. It's not even that much. Yes, it's not that much. Especially when it's from, you know, their international superstar. Did I say that before? All right, now let's get into talking about you and what you do and why I gave you that well-deserved um title, by the way. Um, I always start with a question that I love to ask everybody, which is what is one defining moment that set you on the path that you are on today?

SPEAKER_03 4:11

I'm not gonna lie, this whole music thing started when I was like super young.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Yeah. I used to go to like sci-fi, you know. I grew up in quite an extension. So they had like small sci-fi, and I could just go out there, do what I do, and people started liking it. So I was like, you know what? I think I might just keep on doing this. So from there I was just keeping doing and doing and doing it. I was even releasing music in 2015, but it wasn't that good. You know, the quality and everything was so bad, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, but then from there I just keep kept on going. And there was a time I took a break for like two years. I was like, you know, I'm not that good. Oh yeah, I was like, ah, this is not working. I took a break for like two years, but then my friend was like, dude, come on, just keep on going. Yeah, so shout out to my friends, they just gave me uh power and I kept on going and going, and now we're here.

SPEAKER_06 5:03

Now we're here, honestly, because you've shared stages with big international stars like Coldplay. Yeah, you have played in front of Lionel Messi. That's crazy, yeah. Which by the way, everyone knows who Lionel Messi is, and so I'm a journalist in my day job, right? And I did this story where uh Angola, I believe it was Angola, they were celebrating their 50th um independent anniversary, yeah, and they wanted to do all things celebratory, including do a friendly match with Argentina. And so, of course, Argentina said, All right, cool, bet we can do that. And they said, We also want Messi. They said, All right, no worries, Messi can come. Sean, guess how much Angola paid for him. None that's a guess. How much do you think Angola paid for Argentina to 50 million? Oh, that's a good guess, yeah. But no, it was like 13 million dollars in in in in Africa, guys.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_06 6:05

Just that because like a friendly merge, yeah. For friendly, that's crazy, yeah. And then recently in India, people were like going off and like they were really, really upset because they paid up to $100, right? Which is a lot in India, to see Mercy on the stage, uh well in the stadium, and he came out and was flanked by all these people, so then they were like, uh-uh. Me, I paid all this amount of money, and uh, I can't see Messi because it's flanked by all these security people. No, they started breaking down things that were oh really, yeah, you should look it up, guys. Look it up.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

I just saw a statue of like Messi. Yeah, that's what I saw.

SPEAKER_06 6:41

No, it's like you've performed in front of people like that. Like, how how has that been like for you? We're really gonna go into how you got to the cold play um journey, etc. But before we do that, like just how do you feel about what you've achieved so far?

SPEAKER_03 6:57

It's it's even it's it's crazy, it's unbelievable. Because you know what happened is like sometimes I'll be just home and I just start smiling like do you know what you have done? You know, yeah, because it it feels like a dream, you know, it's it's unreal because I'm I'm I wasn't that big, you know, in Zimbabwe, like big, big superstar, but I had the chance to just go out there and just do what I do. So sometimes I'll be like, yo, what I've done is yes, something else, yeah, it's unreal. And I've seen a lot. Yeah, yeah, I've seen some stuff.

SPEAKER_05 7:32

What have you seen?

SPEAKER_03 7:33

No, no, no, something crazy is coming up. Come on. I mean, that's automatically with my brain or eggs. My brain was like, I mean, like, I mean, like, I've seen the other side of the world where, like, okay, we have like, oh, this is our this this because you know we call them robots here, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Traffic light.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

Yeah, you know, I didn't know they were like those when you can press, you know. Yeah, because we don't have them here.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Oh, yeah, true.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

Yeah, we don't have them, yeah. I were seeing different cars, I could stay in different hotels. Yeah, it was ah, come on.

SPEAKER_06 8:05

How did that change your brain and the way it functions, especially when you came back home? Who was the Sean that went the like let's say the first time that you you went abroad, yeah, and then the one that then came back? Were they different people?

SPEAKER_03 8:16

Yeah, different people. Yeah. Because when I when I when I first went to it was Australia, I I just thought like I'm just going, because I didn't know it was gonna be that big. Yeah. Because you were like, yeah, you can come for the show. I was like, okay, cool. You didn't know it was gonna be that big? I didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 8:31

I like it.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

I didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 8:33

It's better though. So yeah, it's not because your expectations are just like, oh, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

Yeah, it's just a show. Yeah. So being in front of like 70,000 people and having your own car, uh, it was it was crazy. Because here in Zimbabwe, when you when you have a show, like you have to park outside the show, inside the show, but you stay in your car. But there you have your own room, there's like snacks and all that. I'm like, okay, this is different. Yeah, this is totally different. Yeah, so I've I really appreciate what happened. Yeah. Yeah, it's life-changing.

SPEAKER_06 9:10

I can imagine because um, I mean, where you where you've gone to, a lot of Zimbabwean artists have not gone into. Yeah, but I that makes me even more interested and curious to find out about your journey. So we're gonna re go back a little bit. You told me, you know, you grew up in Kuazana extension. Before we even move any further, tell me what Kowazana is like.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Kwasana is a it's more like a ghetto. Yeah. So I was staying in uh in a one room. Yeah, I was renting a small, small room. Yeah, yeah, and you have to like share with other guys, sharing toilet. It was I don't know. It's good. I'm not gonna lie, it's good because it when you grow up in the ghetto, you are nature to be, you know, take care of yourself, know what to do. But I feel like the there's a time where you have to leave ghetto, you know. So I think I left ghetto, I think, last year.

SPEAKER_07 10:12

What?

SPEAKER_03 10:13

Yeah. I was staying there for like 25 years. Wow. Yeah, I left there like last year. When I was famous, here there was a time when I was like super famous. There was a song called Gore. My vest blew up, but then I didn't have money to like buy a car, so I could get in an omnibus and I could sit next to people, you know, 4-4, 4-4 a baby. Yeah. So I was just sitting there, and someone was like, dude, why are you here in this car? Yeah, yeah. Someone asked me that, and you were like, but don't worry, you'll be okay. You know, it takes time and all that. I was like, you know, this is this is not good. Yeah, so Chris came, Chris Martin came, changed my life. I now have my own car. I now have, you know, some other stuff. I can't say. Yeah, I can't say, but like, yeah, I'm I'm now a different person. Wow. Yeah, I am.

SPEAKER_06 11:06

Okay, wow. Like to have grown growing up in the ghetto, yeah, uh, I feel like it humbles a lot of you guys who come from there. You have a different type of understanding. No? No. Tell me then. It doesn't. Tell me.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

It doesn't sometimes growing up poor is I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but sometimes it just because when you start making money, you wanna now show people like, hey, I now have money. Yeah, you don't have to do this to me. They used to do this to me. Normal, like, nah, come on, dude. You're a human being. That's what Chris told me, you know, because I did ask him, like, what did you see in me? Because I'm just like a regular person. Yeah, he was like, I can tell when you're humble, when you're like when you when you value other people, because uh when you're with Chris, he's just he might not have shoes on, you know, to make you feel comfortable. You get like, because if I come here with chains, two guys standing here, they're like, and you're like, yo, Sean, yo, we're not comfortable. You get here, so you have to be comfortable. We're all human beings at the end of the day. So he told me, like, you just have to be humble.

SPEAKER_05 12:16

That's such a great principle.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

Yeah, you just have to be humble because you never know. That's what happened with me and Chris. I didn't know Coldplay. I'm not gonna lie and say, like, I was a big fan of Coldplay. I didn't know Coldplay. It was more like a it was more like an event, a chill out thing. What like people were just there and all other artists were invited. They didn't come.

SPEAKER_07 12:38

Why?

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Yeah, they didn't come because they didn't know who Chris was. Yeah. So I went there, I didn't know Chris Martin. I'm not gonna lie. This is in Zimbabwe. In Zim. Yeah he was sitting next to me. I didn't know him. So people were like literally just performing, having fun. And he was like, Oh, you're an artist, do you want to perform? I was like, nah, I don't feel like performing. Oh, why not? Dude, go and perform. I'm like, uh nah, I don't feel like he was like, I just want to see. Okay. I was like, okay, cool. Then I went and just did like three songs, came back, then we started talking. I was talking to him, I didn't know him. Yeah, you did. Yeah, I was like, Can I have an Instagram? He was like, No, I don't have Instagram, can I have your Facebook now? No, I don't have that. I was like, Oh, so what do you do? Like, I'm just I'm just a regular person. Yeah, I was like, Oh, okay, cool. Then someone was sitting next to me. He was like, Do you know this guy? I was like, No, I don't. She was like, search on your phone. Yeah, so I was like, Okay, cool. Christ Martin. I was like, Whoa, wow, who are you? She was like, nah, I'm a no, but that's that's not me, dude. What do you mean? Okay, cool. So from there, we just started talking on WhatsApp, you know, like just started talking and talking and talking. That's when I knew and started searching Coldplay and all that. Then there was a time he was like, What do you want? Yeah, yeah, like what do you want? So I was like, I asked my friends, like, what do I say? They were like, ask for money, ask for, you know, you know how it is, yeah, you know how it is to like ask for for a studio, you know. But then I just sat down, I was like, you know what? I could ask for money, I could ask for whatever, but that's not what I want.

SPEAKER_07 14:15

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

I was broke, I'm not gonna lie. I needed the money, yeah. But I was like, that's not what I want. Because I've seen some of the shows, I was like, you know what? Can I can I join you? Can I literally like just come wherever you're going and just be part of your crew, whatever? Because I feel like here in Zimbabwe we I'm making music and I'm trying my best, but how can I change the world when I don't know anything about the world? That's why I literally told him. He was like, you know what? Do you want to come on tour? Yeah, I was like, Yeah, yeah, let's do it. That's when I didn't know how big it is. I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. He was like, Do you want to perform? I was like, Yeah, let's do it. Until I went there and in front of 70,000 people, I was like, oh, okay, what's going on? Wow, this is crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:08

Wow. So go back to that time when you walked out for the first time to the crowd. I'm sure you'd been rehearsing, but for the first time you've come out to the crowd and like thousands and thousands of people um in that space, in that stadium, shouting all at the bars. How did you feel?

SPEAKER_03 15:30

So the first time, the first time I was like an opening act, I was performing my own songs. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have in ears.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Oh, well. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Because you know what? Here in Zimbabwe, people don't use in ears. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I didn't know about in ears. So the first time I went there, first talk, like the first song started playing, and when I said, I just wanna, I could hear the I just wanna, I just wanna. Oh my god, oh, what's going on? What's going on? Yeah, so I the first performance, I messed up. But they the crowd didn't hear anything because I was just trying my best to just be in track. Yeah, but I messed up because I didn't have any ears, because the stadium, yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, but then as time goes on, I did buy my own in ears, and it was easy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:23

How long were you guys on tour for?

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Oh, since 20. I think since last year. Yeah. Yeah, since last year. October. October, I think so.

SPEAKER_06 16:34

So since 2024.

SPEAKER_03 16:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

We'll be right back.

SPEAKER_06 16:39

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SPEAKER_00 17:39

Now, back to the show.

SPEAKER_06 17:42

I just I I'm trying to imagine. I feel like that is an experience that would be so out of this world that you just I don't know how how how you would take it all. So then again, first experiences. After you did your performance, the first the first day, I guess. How did you feel when you went back to the hotel room? And who was the first person you called or texted?

SPEAKER_03 18:12

So what happened? Like I when I was on tour, I was with uh my brother Magic and uh my producer Alexei. So it was it was more like I had to the only person I called was like my my girlfriend, it's not my wife. I had to call and be like, hey, this is something different. Yeah, and I like it because I'm performing my own songs and people are vibing to it. And it's not like it's not like because artists here in Zimbabwe. But I feel like when artists go to UK, South Africa, I don't know, any other country, they perform for Zimbabwe. Yeah, yeah. So with my side it was different. You know, I was performing for people in the UK, you know, and they were like, oh, loving my music. And you know, it's crazy when after you're done performing and people are coming to you asking for pictures. Hi, can I get a picture? You're so good. How can I get a picture? Can I give you a number? Can I have your IG? I was like, okay, what's going on? Because I was singing inshona. I wasn't singing like English, you know, those stuff like that. It was shocked in Shona, and they were loving it. And I was like, okay, so I feel like we do have the power to sing inshona, do Afrobeats, do our dance, and they can vibe to it. They can't understand what you're saying, but they're like, okay, this is good. Yeah, because on tour we had like Eliana, there's this girl called Eliana, she she's from Palestine. She was singing in I think it's Arabic, but you still can vibe to the song. You're like, okay, this is a good song. Yeah. So I feel like with language, it's not about language. No, it's yeah, because I could see comments, people saying, Cool, why are you singing in Shauna? I'm like, that's my language. What do you mean? Were these Zimbabwean people or people Zimbabwean people in the comments section? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I was like, dude, what's what's going on?

SPEAKER_06 20:00

So you've stuck to that. Like for you, you're gonna continue singing in the in genre.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

No, I'm gonna mix. Yeah, I'm gonna mix, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:06

Yeah, to be as a consumer of music, yeah, I love it when artists do that.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:11

Like, I I don't understand why someone would say don't do that, because I kind of feel like it is this thing where people are wanting to conform to other standards, like the Western standard. And in fact, actually, I don't think most of the time, and correct me if I'm wrong, okay, don't quote me because also I'm not in the music industry, right? But I feel like I don't necessarily think that it's the music industry that enforces that on people, it's people. Yeah, we're not. Like there's a bunch of people like, ah no, sing in English. Why? Why not sing in Debele? Why not sing in Shona? Um, do you feel that it hits differently when you when you write a lyric and then you sing it in Shona?

SPEAKER_03 20:49

It does hit because you know, here in Zimbabwe, people are vibing to Ama Piano like as if it's from Zimbabwe.

SPEAKER_07 20:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

So I feel like when I was performing in UK, Australia, whatever, I feel like when I was singing in Shona, it was different to them. You know, it's it's not like I'm Chris Brown up there, I'm Asher. I'm literally Sean. And they were like, What this is good. What is he saying? Yeah, what did you mean when you say I was like, I was even explaining, like, yeah, I like that. Oh, that's it. So it's it's it's it's unique.

SPEAKER_06 21:22

I feel like that's also another way of like spreading more of the Boban culture, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

Yeah, even the dressing, the way I was dressed, it was it was something else. I could have like flag on me. Yeah, you know, just the whole style was just different.

SPEAKER_06 21:34

I need shown's um stylist, y'all, because this man, like, be doing, like, he'd be looking good. Yeah, and also you used to have your own clothes shop, you told me.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_06 21:45

Yeah, so um what brought that about? Because I want us also to get to know that Sean outside of music. Okay, what brought that about? Well, is fashion a passion of yours? What type of stuff did you used to sell? And would you ever go back to selling merch?

SPEAKER_07 22:00

I mean I said much because now you're you have a brand.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

It wasn't much time. It was just like literally just normal clothes, you know. But but I did close the shop. There was a time when I did close the shop because I couldn't be there anymore. And I couldn't go to Tanzania to get my stuff anymore because I was using a bus. I couldn't be in the bus anymore. I can't be in the bus anymore. Let me just close it. Yeah, let me just close it because I can't go there and get my stuff.

SPEAKER_06 22:30

No, you can get the workers now. You can get people differently.

SPEAKER_03 22:33

But like I'll be buying stuff I don't want to sell. That's true. Yeah. That's very true. So right now I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna create my own match, track suits, t-shirts. Yeah. Yeah, and just tell them. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:45

I want us to go back to music now.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:47

You kind of alluded to it, but I really have been wanting to get to know this um from Zimbabwean artists themselves. We've already had a couple of musicians uh come on the podcast, and I love the authenticity and the honest of what they've been um telling me, right? And what they've been sharing. Now, as Nyasha Michelle, yeah, I am a massive supporter of Zimbabwe. Otherwise, why am I doing a whole season in Zimbabwe? Like, you know, I really, I really love my country, but I also wouldn't, I'm not blind, you know? Um, and I say that because like you don't you can celebrate something, but also see certain areas where we can improve. Um, what I want to showcase is the excellence of Zimbabwe, the excellence of Zimbabwe in talent, voices, creatives, etc. And then also hopefully start conversations from conversations led by people like you, who are in the industry, not my bystanders, not my what are they called, um, what are they called? Uh driving, uh, what are they called? Passenger drivers. No, no, no, no, no. The ones who are driving the industry, who are driving the music, um, how you guys feel the industry is. So essentially, what I want to ask you first is the Zimbabwe music industry, in your experience, what could change and what could improve about it?

SPEAKER_03 23:57

So I I feel like the first thing we have to do is exposure. I feel like we need we need someone who is willing, because we do have promoters here, but I feel like also our promoters they don't have exposure. So I feel like sometimes we need we need someone who can just say, you know what, I'm gonna have like uh probably a record label or whatever they're gonna call it. I'm gonna have to take probably four or five artists who are upcoming and I'm gonna tag them to UK, to USA. This is not for for like uh performance whatsoever. I'm gonna tag them there. I'm gonna show them how things are done there. Uh-huh. Yeah. Because right now, our selling is super close to our heads.

SPEAKER_05 24:47

That's low.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Yeah, like as soon as I get a car, a house, and a beautiful wife, I'm done. I'm good. Yeah. And we look up to people here in Zimbabwe who don't have that much. Yeah. Because as soon as you meet up with Benner Boy, you're like, okay, that's a superstar. Okay, now that's a superstar. Yeah. Because here in Zimbabwe we do have our own superstars, but I'm just saying, like, there's a selling. Because they're charging probably whatever they're charging. But I feel like we can get more. Got it. Because Penable is charging probably like, I don't know, probably like 1 million, 500,000. That means if I'm an upcoming artist, if my biggest artist is charging 500,000, that means if I'm upcoming, probably I'll get 10,000. Yeah. But if my biggest artist is charging like 2,000 US, what am I getting?

SPEAKER_02 25:47

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Yeah. So I'm getting peanuts. And I have to, because I have to look good, I have to have my own car. I have to, you know, take care of my people because you have to have a crew. Team, yeah. Yeah, you have to have a band. And you can't do that. Yeah. So I feel like there's some we need someone who can just take our artists, go out there, show them how it's done. Besides going for like shows, you can just go for Ben Abo show and see how it's done. Yeah. Yeah. Just take these artists and just go there. Because you have the money. Yeah. Yeah. That's all we need.

SPEAKER_06 26:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:21

I no, I agree. Because Zimbabwe, is there a record label? No, no, no. I don't think you're a bad. Don't worry, because we're going to talk about the positives. We're going to talk about the positives. But I like, for me, I unapologetically encourage and I, of course, stare um constructive conversations. Okay. Right. That's what I was saying. That, like, you know what, we're not walking around with blinkers. Also, we're not, I'm not coming here to like criticize Zimbabwe and like the industry and stuff like that. But what I want us to have is conversations that move us for further. You have no idea. I even have no idea who's watching or listening to this. There might be someone who has the capacity to do exactly what you've just said. There might be an up-and-coming artist or even an established artist who feels like, ah, you know, I'm good, I've made it. But them listening to you may hopefully inspire them and maybe just give them a little bit of an edge to be like, oh, hey, you know what? Maybe let me spend three months in, I don't know, Australia. Let me spend three months in America. Let me spend three months even in Nigeria. You know, see what they're doing and how they've done things and how they've managed to get to those levels in order for us to continue to improve the industry. Because that's what I want to do. That's what I want to do. And I'm not shying away from the parts where we can say, ah, we need to improve. But I also am keen for us to celebrate, you know, this country. I want us to celebrate because I was saying to you earlier that um back in the day, you know, I went to the UK. I moved when I was 12 years old. So that was a while ago. Don't ask how old I am. But you know, um, I went I moved there when I was 12. So of course that's me going through high school, college, university, becoming a British kid, you know, and um I'm really grateful to God because like my circle of friends has always been quite diverse, right? So they're diverse in like uh cultures, race, what they like. And I remember I actually had a friend in college, a white girl, um, white, typical white girl, like blonde hair, you know, blue eyes, whatever. And me and her were really good friends because we used to be in performing arts together. And she used to do something so loving. It was like a literally a love language of hers. She would, when she discovered new music, she would like uh put the music on a CD. This you see, I'm aging myself, and happily so, because yo, I'm not uh I'm a gen Z or I'm a tuke. But um, she would put, she would create a whole CD for me and all this different new music, and it was really cool. I really, really loved that. Um, and then it exposed me to many different um you know artists, etc. Then people would want the same thing. Oh, so what's some Zimbabwean music?

SPEAKER_03 29:04

Sean UV stuck.

SPEAKER_06 29:08

Yeah, you're me. I you know, I genuinely remember going through whatever device, whatever old, old device I used to use to like play music, and I I would find a few, but not a lot. And then some of the ones that I would find, I would listen to it, even though I wasn't a music professional. I'll be like, oh my gosh, the quality is not as good. So then I felt like, oh, I can't really share that. Um, but now I personally believe that that has changed.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

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SPEAKER_00 30:16

Now, back to the show.

SPEAKER_06 30:18

Here now, um, I feel different now. Like if someone says to me, Can you recommend me an Zimbabwean artist? I have many, I have plenty. Yeah, because I feel like um Zim music has definitely evolved and is evolving. So, one, who is one Zimbabwean artist that you are listening to right now? And then two, where do you want to see the Zimbabwean like um music industry go? You've already explained about like, you know, having somebody, you know, really um, you know, investing in artists. What do you think the is artists right now who are already doing this stuff, what should they do?

SPEAKER_03 31:00

Uh right now I'm listening to I don't know if you know Takura. Ah, do I know Takura? Takura, Takura, he does have probably this year he does have like 20 to 25 hit songs. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. He I feel like he just he just came to realization where he was like, you know what? I'm a good artist. And I'ma just I'ma just give them music, whether they like it or not. I'ma just keep on pumping them with music. And I and and it it even motivated me to be like, you know what, Sean, you have to do this. You have to just release your music and just keep on going. Whatever they say, whatever they say, don't it doesn't matter. Yeah, so I'm I'm loving Tokura right now. Yeah. And I just feel like I just feel like here in Zimbabwe, most artists they don't really put attention to their branding when it comes to like your page on Instagram, how you look, you know, your video, let's say official video for a music video. Sometimes the videos I'm saying, I'm not saying I'm good, I'm not saying my my videos are like the best, but some of the videos I'm seeing of people who are giving flowers, we have to improve. Okay. We have to literally improve because I as I said before, people here they have like a ceiling which is close by. So there's a time where like you never know. One day you might wake up and you have you get a call from Chris Brown, they're like, hey, pull up, we need you on this and this. Then out there, you from UK, I've seen people don't say, Can I have your number? People they say that let me have your Instagram.

SPEAKER_05 32:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:44

And they have to check. Yeah. You get so if you have silly photos that are not like that good, it's the standard, yeah, the brand. Yeah, the brand. I've noticed that. Here in Zimbabwe, you're like, hey, can I have your number? No, no, no. Out there, it's more like, can I have your Instagram? Yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, what's going on here? You don't want my number, no? Let me have your Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. So I noticed it's more like I have to check what you do first before I give you anything you want.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

So in terms of what people are gonna see when they, I'm sure, check out your socials, they're gonna see that you've performed in um, you know, many other places. Yeah. So was the first you performed in Australia. Yeah, Australia. In New Zealand. Yeah. What else did you guys perform? And what was it like just performing in those other countries?

SPEAKER_03 33:30

So Australia was amazing. I feel like it's my favorite country. Oh, is it? Yeah, Australia. Australia was amazing because we were in Melbourne and besides performing, I loved the the life in Melbourne, the party life, the the whole thing was just like, okay, this is it. Yeah. But then when it comes to performing, I feel like when you go on stage, you just have to be you. Just have fun. Don't look, because sometimes when you perform and you look at people and they're like, Yeah. It's not like it's not like they're not, they're not vibing, they're just listening, like, okay. Okay, it's good. Okay. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Oh, okay, okay. Nah, nah, it's good. That's how it is. Yeah, that's how it is. So I was just being me. I was like, okay, I'm here and I'm just gonna have fun. Yeah. I was just having fun the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

Yeah. So I enjoyed, I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_05 34:27

Where else have you performed?

SPEAKER_03 34:29

I was in Australia, New Zealand. Then after New Zealand, we went to UK. Oh. But for just for two days. Oh, yeah. Sure. It was just in London at O2 Arena. There was like a Capitol, what's this? What's it called? Capital, it's like a radio station.

SPEAKER_05 34:44

Yeah, Capitol Extra. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Just performed for like a day. Then the next day we left.

SPEAKER_05 34:49

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Yeah, then I went to Abu Dhabi, then India. Then I didn't go to Hong Kong, I think. So, yeah. Then there was Canada and USA. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:58

You've already told me that you really liked performing in Australia. Australia. What was your next? Oh no, no, no, no. Let's let's give them the challenging questions now. What was the location where you found your performan performance a little bit challenging? And for what reason?

SPEAKER_03 35:15

Abu Dhabi. Yeah? Abu Dhabi, I was I was, you know, there's like ruse, the streets, and all that. So I was scared. I was like, what if I mess up? What if I say something on stage and I get arrested? But like, but it was, it was, it was, it was, I was even shocked. Because the first day I performed, there were vibing. I was like, oh, okay, this is this is not what I expected. Yeah. Yeah, but Abu Dhabi was, I was scared. Yeah. I wasn't sure. I was like, oh. Yeah. Yeah, but it was it was fun. Then when it comes to like the best crowd ever, yeah. India. Yo, really, yo. India, those guys are like party people. They go crazy.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Yeah, because we were in Amderbud, and the sister, I can't remember the name, it it caters for like uh hundred and hundred thousand people. It was it was too packed. Wow. And then because when you have in ears on, sometimes you can't hear the crowd. So I had to pull up. Take it out.

SPEAKER_06 36:16

Also, that's why artists do this all the time. Because you can't hear the crowd.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

So you have to be like, and you're like, oh okay. This crowd is crazy. Yeah, it was it was something else. India is I like it.

SPEAKER_06 36:28

And where's the ultimate place that you want to perform?

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Um India.

SPEAKER_06 36:34

I but no, you've been to India already. Where's one place that you want to perform that you haven't performed?

SPEAKER_02 36:38

I haven't Brazil. Yes, I feel like Brazil, they they are part of the people, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:44

Brazil, they got so much culture and richness, yeah, um, in who they are and just the personalities and the people and the different races of yeah, of all these things. Yeah, Brazil.

SPEAKER_03 36:55

I've I've never been to Brazil. Yeah, yeah. Have you ever been to Brazil?

SPEAKER_06 36:58

No, I haven't, but I really want to go, you know. I've been wanting to go to the um carnival for as long as I can remember. I still want to go to the carnival.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

In Spain. For Spain, I just want to go for vacation. I feel like Spain needs something else.

SPEAKER_06 37:11

Okay, after you go to Spain, come visit us in UK. Because you know, it's only a two-hour flight. Oh, really? Yeah, but just prepare to dress appropriately because you will be in Spain with shorts and a tank top, and then you'll be in UK with the jumper and a jacket and UK, in UK, there was a time when I went out because UK, UK it can just be sunny, rainy, cold.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Yeah, five seasons in one day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was it was crazy. I I woke up with a vest and it started raining. I was like, okay, what's going on? Yeah, no, you don't do that. You don't do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:41

But um, with everything that you've with everything you've achieved and the places that you have performed in, what does representation then mean to you? Because you're representing Zimbabwe. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

I I feel like I have done my best when it comes to representing Zimbabwe, but I feel like I can do more. Yeah. Yeah. If given the chance, I can do more. And I hope and pray, because there's World Cup coming, right? Yeah. There's World Cup coming. I hope and pray I'm included. I hope and pray. When that happens. If I go to World Cup, nah, I'm done. I'm like, okay, cool. This is it. Yeah. If you perform a World Cup, come on. Everyone watches World Cup. Everyone, even if you're like a not a fan of football, yeah. They do watch World Cup. So I want to perform in World Cup. Yeah. Wow. That would be a changing.

SPEAKER_06 38:33

What one song of yours? You are now in this crowd of God knows. It's even millions because a lot of people will be watching on online, right? Or on TV. What one song of yours would you perform at World Cup?

SPEAKER_03 38:47

I would perform uh there's this song called Manake, which I did. It's it's a good song. It's it's a vibe.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Yeah. I feel like even if you can't understand what I'm saying, it's easy for you to use a manage, it's crazy. It's a song.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yeah, it does have like probably 2.00 million views. Yeah, without even buying any views. Because nowadays people are it's sad. Why do you do that? Like, if your song doesn't blow up, yeah, do another one. You don't have to buy views. You don't have to. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 39:27

Don't you think it's about the optics? Because people don't want to be seen to like, oh, your song didn't do so well.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

Yeah, but like I feel like because there's a song which I did, this one, Tambisa. The first one, because I did like an a single, then I did a remix. My single didn't blow up at first.

SPEAKER_05 39:45

No, okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:46

So usually when I release a song, if it's a hit song, it gets like 20,000 views in a day.

SPEAKER_07 39:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

But this one got like 6,000. And I was like, oh my word. I flopped. But then I knew, like, you know what? I'm saying I flopped because I'm giving a chance to flop. So I have to create more views, I have to create more videos. I just went crazy on this one. I've never done that. Yeah. But I did create videos, took pictures, just used the sound, and it started blowing out. People were like, oh, this is a hit song. Ah, this is good. But on YouTube it didn't have that much views. But the way I was pushing it, I was treating it like it's a hit song.

SPEAKER_07 40:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

And in people's mind, they were like, ah, this is a hit. Then I was like, you know what? Let me do a remix. And I had like a few artists, Rana Ruse, my daddy, and Junior Spraga on the song, the remix, and it blew up. It literally blew up. So yeah, it's because people here in Zimbabwe, let me just say it, artists here in Zimbabwe, they are told like you are done. You're not that good. You're not good anymore. And they believe it. They're like, oh, okay, people don't love me anymore. Nah. You are what you are, and you are what you make. So no one can tell you you are done. No one can tell you you're not that good. Come on, do what you gotta do. Yeah, no one can come. I've I've seen some people saying, Oh, you know what? And I'm like, dude. The only person who can say that is God. That's you. Yeah. So I don't believe in someone coming to me and saying, Nah, I'm gonna finish you. Nah, dude. Not me.

SPEAKER_06 41:28

Wow. Yeah. You really need to have a strong mindset and a strong sense of self as a musician or as someone who's in the public eye to a certain extent. So how do you, especially as a man, how do you take care of your mental health?

SPEAKER_03 41:46

I do pray. I'm not gonna lie. All this happening, I did pray. Yeah, I do go to see my prophet and say, hey, lay hands on me. Like pray for me. Because it's not an easy journey. Because some people use whatever they use in this industry. Yeah. Yeah. So you have to be so careful. You have to know where you stand. So I know where I stand. I know where I stand. Yeah, I know where I stand. So I believe God is with me, so there is no going back unless God says, nah, it's now time. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 42:25

Okay. And you touched on something that I happily want to kind of get your view as an artist and someone who's achieved this level of success. You know, you said like there's some people in the music music industry, and this is not anything new. We all know this, even if we haven't seen it with our own eyes, you know, like um that people touch certain things, they do certain things in order for them to get wealth. And depending on who you are, some people will turn around and say those things, they're not good, then they're they're they're evil or whatever. So um, with you as a person who prays and who has um people around you, or a uh you know, figure that you go to and you know you really kind of stay true to your faith. Yeah, how do you one maintain that faith? And then two, how do you stop yourself from getting into the temptation of taking on something or giving off, yeah, give giving up something in order for you to become bigger? How do you not sell your soul? How do you not sell your soul?

SPEAKER_03 43:29

I don't I don't know about selling souls because I'm even I'm even curious. Like, how do people sell themselves? I'm curious. If you know, tell us because I'm like, how do they do that? Yeah, but I feel like people believe in different religion, and it's not bad, it's not it's not like I'm saying like you have to pray or you have to, I don't know, drink water for you to you believe in whatever you believe in, and it's good for you. If it's working for you, it's good for you. The only person who can judge you is God, God, yeah. We're not here to. Judge you, but I believe and pray like you know like who is the main actor in all this. The main actor. Yeah, we have the main one, and then we have the supporting acts. Yeah, we have we have the supporting acts.

SPEAKER_06 44:16

Yeah, the supporting acts.

SPEAKER_03 44:18

They can be there, but yeah. So if you believe in whatever you believe in, it's it's cool, but I feel like you know, you just because there's only one God. Yeah, but I believe you can believe in whatever you believe in, but as for me, I believe in God. Yeah, yeah, I believe in God, and yo, people do crazy stuff out there. Yeah, but it's it's good for them because if you come to someone and say, hey, you have to believe in God, they're like, I don't.

SPEAKER_06 44:46

Yeah, it's a personal choice.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

It's a personal choice. I've seen, you know, I've I I thought people in Zimbabwe, everyone in Zimbabwe believes in God until someone says, I don't. Yeah, I literally don't. I don't even believe that it's Jesus. Oh like, okay, this is new. This is new to me.

SPEAKER_06 45:03

You know what's funny? Yeah, I think I was kind of like you. I think I saw my people in a particular way. Yeah, yeah, I thought maybe one dimensional, someone could probably say. Maybe one dimensional. Um, of course, I thought you were we were very I'm only speaking when it comes to religion. Yeah, maybe because of how I was raised and what I was exposed to. I was never exposed to any other religion since I grew up. And then when I then find out that there's Muslims in Zimbabwe, I was like, wait, hold up. Yeah, where are they at? You know, like I didn't know that. And there's other people who believe in other things, and of course, we've got African traditions, etc. There's so many people who believe in that, yeah, you know, so it's really funny that you say that because I realize I also thought the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

Yeah, I thought like we all like believe in God and Jesus until I was like, oh, okay. No, that's how it is.

SPEAKER_06 45:48

No, no, okay, and then I'm gonna ask you, it's a little bit of an off, off kind of question. But um, you mentioned having, you know, you have a prophet that you go to, and of course, we've one, I think one of the reasons me and you both thought a lot of Zimbabwean people believe in God and Jesus is because we we see that a lot more, right? And there are many, many churches in Zimbabwe. Even after I've now left uh Zim, I left Zim a long time ago. I've come there's even more churches. Even more. But um there are some people who have been, I think, abused by the church, you know, and misused by the church or uh misled. Maybe that's that's that's the right, that's the right way to do it. Misled by maybe prophets or pastors or whatever, whatever. What's your advice to a Bible-believing person, a Christian, a person who prays, what's your advice in terms of just staying grounded and being connected to the to God? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:47

Take away all the other parts, but staying connected to God. What's your advice? And staying away from false prophets, how can they figure out that maybe this one might not be the right one?

SPEAKER_03 46:56

What happens is like uh I believe that let's say you're a prophet, right? And you do pray for me and everything is going well for me. It's not like you're giving me anything to say, hey, put it in your pocket, whatsoever. You're literally praying for me. Yeah. And like everything is going well. And then I hear a story of you, like you did something bad. That's on you.

SPEAKER_07 47:19

That's how I that's how I do it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

I don't put whatever you you're doing in my life. That's on you. You're a human being at that on the day. You get you're not Jesus. Come on, we are all human beings. So, yeah, whatever you do, you mess up, whatever, and you get in jail, whatever, and you come back. I'm gonna still come back to you. Really? Yeah, because it's literally working for me.

SPEAKER_07 47:41

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

Exactly. Okay, and I believe in God. I don't believe in you, but I believe sometimes you need a messenger. You are my messenger. You get you are someone who I say, okay, this is what I want to do. So, what how do I go about it? And they're like, you know what? Let me just pray for you and it will go well. That's all we do. Normal put something in your pocket or like, you know. Nah. So whatever whatever's going on in your prophet life, it doesn't have to affect you.

SPEAKER_06 48:12

What about people who say that some of those things that happen maybe reflect the power that's at work in the negative things that it might reflect the power that's at work in that prophet?

SPEAKER_03 48:22

We are not perfect. Okay, the problem is like we we're trying to make these guys look like they're perfect, they're not. They're not. I think that's a big thing that because they're not God. We put them a lot on a pedestal. They are not perfect, they they they get tempted every day, yeah. And it's even worse for them because it's even worse for them because Saturn is like, you know what? This one, I'm coming for you. Yeah, I'm coming for you. Yeah, so I get it. Yeah, they have to mess up, they have to.

SPEAKER_06 48:49

Nah, you're right. These people, they're just human beings.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

But there's some, but there are some who can literally expose themselves like they don't, like whatever. Because myself, I'm not judging, but I feel like if my pastor does have tattoos, does have like you know, some some I don't know, like swag, like wearing swag stuff. Yeah, I don't I don't really go with that. What do you mean? I don't, yeah, I know. I'm just saying, myself, myself, I don't go with that.

SPEAKER_07 49:23

If you have tattoos and I'm like, oh but thank god I ain't trying to be a pastor, but I got a whole tattoo, right?

SPEAKER_03 49:34

No, I'm just saying myself, I'm like thank God I'm not trying to be a pastor.

SPEAKER_06 49:39

Um, but always spreading the good news, always as you said the way we are raised, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 49:47

Oh, go go get you.

SPEAKER_03 49:49

Your grandpa would be like the way we're raised, you know, if you get a tattoo, you'll yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_06 49:55

That's it. Fair enough, fair enough. But I do I did say this to you that I want us to have a wholesome constructive conversation about the Zimbabwean music industry. Yeah. I've asked you about you know what you would like to see improve. Yeah, what are the things that you as a Zimbabwean musician are celebrating about the industry?

SPEAKER_03 50:17

About the industry. Yeah. Um I'm I'm so excited, you know, with with Ja Prazer, I'm gonna say shout out to Joe Prazer. I've he's been motivating me to do my own shows because Ja Prazer does his own shows, yeah, he does, and he does make his own money. Yeah, so I I'm I'm saying shout out to Ja Prazer because he is motivated, even upcoming artists to say, hey, you know what, you can do your own stuff. Besides you waiting for a promoter to book you and get less money, you can make your own money. Yeah, yeah. So I think for Ja Prazer, that's that's a motivating stuff.

SPEAKER_06 50:51

Yeah, definitely. Shout out to Ja, honestly. He is I've had the privilege of interviewing him, he's extremely talented. Yeah, he is, and even when I look at you know what he was doing then when I interviewed him and then where he's gone now, like there's continued evolution. Yeah, uh, very multi-talented. Uh, you know, he was playing the Mbira. Yeah, he was playing the Mbira. He was playing three Mbiras for me at the same time. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's really cool. But then he said to me, Ah, Nyasha, I can play five. I was like, spring all five of them, and then he was like, ah no, I left the other two at home. Okay, but like that craftsmanship and being able to tell Zimbabwe's story and the fact that he still sings in Shona. He sings in Shona. Sounds amazing, you know, and he still sounds amazing.

SPEAKER_03 51:36

I feel like for me, I feel like he's my he's my tuku. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_06 51:42

Yeah, Oliva Mutukuzi. In case you guys don't know who he's talking about, go and Google him because he is one of our pioneering musicians whom we all loved dearly. Um, and I've definitely enjoyed having this conversation with you.

SPEAKER_07 51:56

It's been very dynamic from religion to music to fashion to prophets.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

Yeah, no, it's been really, really cool. I would love to do a uh show with Nyasha Michelle 2.0 because honestly, your conversation has been fire. Uhbey we will do that conversation just before or just after he performs at the World Cup. Okay, about that. Um, we have a segment on this podcast called Pass the Mic. Where the previous guest leaves a question for the next guest.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 52:33

So you are going to answer a question from Melissa. Oh, yeah, she's left this question for you. Um, and uh she said, a fellow musician, of course, yeah. She says, What do you want to see change uh uh in the industry that you are in now?

SPEAKER_03 52:57

So I feel like uh we have to we have to appreciate more of like uh the afro beats and the love songs because if you do a dancer song right now and it's good it's gonna blow up. Yeah, I've done I've tested it now and it's it it worked. I've released this year I've released like three dancer songs, yeah, whatever. And they blew up. But when you release a love song, it's more like people are like this is too serious, yeah. And then they're like but uh but I like it. Ah, this is a good song. Yeah, it it does take some time. They're like you know, but that's why that's why I was saying, like, shout out to Takura. Because with him, he's just been so consistent to the extent that we are like, okay, this is good. For someone who's new, people are always like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 53:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

Until they're like, because I released a song with Nature called Bestie. Natuur was like, Sean, this is a hit song. I was like, nah, it's not. He was like, this is a hit song. I'm like, nah, nah. Then we released this we released the song, it took it like a month for it to blow up. So he was like, This is substance, Sean. This is not like uh whatever hype song, this is substance, so it will take time. So I hope people out there they just appreciate substance music and just you know, hype music. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:31

Yeah, and shout out to Natio because of course he was in this season. Yeah, and when it comes to you saying that he said this is substance, it definitely sounds like him because when we had the conversation and he was sat in this chair, yeah, I was like, damn, dude, like you're like a philosopher, you have these principles you live by. And they clearly have really helped him, propelled him to where he is and where he's gonna get to. And that's one of the things I really love about talking to certain people that I've selected to talk to here on with Nyasha Michelle because I believe you guys have got a lot of substance to give to those who are listening and watching us. Um, okay, so what is your pass the mic question for my next guest?

SPEAKER_03 55:15

Okay, competition is good, but what should we do for artists not compete but work together and share stages together?

SPEAKER_06 55:23

Oh wow, yeah, okay, yeah, I really like that. That's true, because I think like um that shows the commodity and supporting each other because as you win, I win. And as I win, you win. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Well because I've seen I've seen I've seen like out there in the USA, you see Chris on stage, future comes out, yeah, Arsha comes out, August Osina comes out. That's that's amazing. That's unity. Yeah, but here it's more like what if I bring him out and he outshines me. But how can I outshine you when it's your own show?

SPEAKER_06 56:00

Yeah, yeah. Nah, and even if you outshine them, you can invite them to your show, and then they can outshine you. Yeah, because if you bring it even further back home, okay, uh, or closer to home, in South Africa they do that. Yeah, they do it. There will be loads of them. I was just looking at uh uh an invitation I got recently. It's like 11 big South African artists who are all gonna be performing very soon. Okay, and then um in Nigeria they do that as well. So yeah. Yeah, they do that. Yeah, so Zimbabweans, come on, come on, let's do more of you know, let's let's you can compete on a healthy way, yeah. But um, yeah, don't then block each other's and your own blessings. Now we get to end this with something I like to call it's giving Zimbabwe. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 56:51

What's going on?

SPEAKER_06 56:52

It's like, oh my gosh, this is it feels like a trap. No, no, no. This one is really one that I've been so eager to get the answers to, or just your opinions, because um there is a trend that went quite, I don't know, I don't, I wouldn't say viral, but like a trend on on social media where you would hear someone say it's giving Zimbabwe. And a lot of the times that I saw it, I don't know about you, it was negative, right? And I'm like, nah nah nah nah. We gotta reclaim this narrative and show them what Zimbabwe is about. So uh each and every single one of you guys, I'm asking you different questions under this particular segment. So your it's giving Zimbabwe question is when you're outside of Zim, what's one thing that instantly makes you miss home? Sadza!

SPEAKER_03 57:41

You know what? When I was in UK, I had to call some Zim people and say, Hey, can you cook soda for me, dude? I'm tired of this rice chips. Ah nah, I need sad. Yeah, sadza. Ah, come on. That's sad and beef.

SPEAKER_05 57:55

I was I was gonna ask you. So, what do you eat it with? Okay, with chew, beef stew.

SPEAKER_03 57:59

They did uh I think someone cooked me like sad beef stew. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah, I had missed it because it was more like a month. Yeah, another sometime. Uh I miss sad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:11

Yeah, no, I get it because when I'm in Zimbabwe, I eat sadza a lot. And if you are not from Zimbabwe or you are a most salad and you're like, what is sadza? Saza is our staple food. You know my salada, though, but like, no, I don't eat sadza, I just eat rice only.

SPEAKER_03 58:26

I feel like I feel like when you go out there, there's a time you're like, nah, I'm done with this.

SPEAKER_06 58:30

Yeah, yeah, you can't you can't keep eating that stuff. Yeah, sadza is it.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

I'm a big fan of McDonald's. Like I'm telling you, I like it. No, okay.

SPEAKER_06 58:38

I like the interview's done. I'm out.

SPEAKER_03 58:41

I like it. I like it. But then people like uh the crew people at Copley, they were like, This is John. It is, it's not. I like it.

SPEAKER_06 58:51

It's got so many gems. Please, guys, in the comments, tell Sean why he needs to stop eating uh McDonald's. And those of you intelligent people of the degrees, whether you got them from a university or from your in your own brain, please put in the comments the things that they put in it. Okay, by the way, like McDonald's, you can still sponsor me if you want. Um, but thank you so much. It's been so much fun talking to you and getting to know the dynamics of who you are as a person, as a and as an artist. Um, really, really quick. Uh, where is shown gonna be in the next 10, 15, 20 years?

SPEAKER_03 59:30

Um I can't tell, but I believe that I'm gonna be I wanna be rich and I wanna take care of my guys. As I said before, I just wanna by 10 years I have to have my own record label or I don't know, whatever I'm gonna call it, and just get these upcoming artists, check them out there, show them how it's done, bring them here so that they can have like a different view.

SPEAKER_05 59:56

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 59:56

I love that because as I said before, I believe 10 years ahead, still we're not gonna have traffic lights, those ones I was talking about. So they had to they have to see those. Come on, just press the button, bro. Press the button, and then it says look, or it gives you the sound.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:12

Up until then, guys, look it up in YouTube. Yeah, Sean, thank you so much. Um, you can look in that camera and tell them where they can find you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

Yeah, so uh you can find me on Instagram, it's Sean ZW, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, same thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:35

Yeah, we love that. That consistent branding. I hope you guys have enjoyed this dynamic conversation as much as I have. If you are a Zimbabwean musician and you want to contribute to this conversation, please do let us know what are the things that you are running across the world and saying about Zimbabwe and saying, you know what, the music industry is doing really well. And what are the things that you would like to improve? You never know who is in the comments who has the money to make things change. Thank you so much uh for joining me here on with Nyasha Michelle. Do not forget to like, subscribe, and comment. And also follow us on social media at with Nyasha Michelle and myself, Nyasha Michelle underscore. I'll see you guys next time. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:23

See ya.