From Survival to Purpose: Kevin Dixie on Guns, Brotherhood & Civil Rights

Season 4 of Off the Beaten Path kicks off with a powerful conversation featuring Kevin “KD” Dixie—firearms coach, civil rights advocate, and founder of No Other Choice.

From growing up in St. Louis to mentoring thousands of young men, KD breaks down the real meaning behind the Second Amendment, the importance of de-escalation, and how self-respect, community, and accountability shape the modern man.

This episode dives deep into:

• Firearms training and responsible gun ownership
• De-escalation and conflict resolution in urban communities
• Brotherhood, mentorship, and rebuilding broken environments
• The intersection of gun culture and civil rights
• Entrepreneurship and leadership in the outdoor industry

If you’re interested in Second Amendment culture, personal development, urban leadership, and real conversations that matter, this is a must-watch.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:17

And all right, uh to our listeners, followers, and everybody who says tuned in.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Tuned in locked in. Where are we at?

SPEAKER_02 0:25

We're age time. Hold it down. Um, and we're here with a with a special guest. I like to say all of our guests are special, but this brother has been putting in some foundational work in the space for a while now.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

I don't I haven't known you long enough to introduce you. To give them a proper intro. Yeah, because I know a little bit of everything that you've done. I want you to introduce yourself, KD. Go ahead and let the people know about you.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Well, one, thank you guys for your time today. I appreciate the interview invite. Thank you guys for listening to the show. Appreciate everybody. Uh, my name is Kevin Dixie. I'm from St. Louis, Missouri. Uh, people call me KD for obvious reasons. Um, I am a firearms coach. I don't call myself an instructor anymore. We can talk about that if you would like to. Uh, but I'm a firearms coach, have been for about 26 years. Uh 26 years now. Um, along with that, I've been doing mentorship and community outreach in different aspects for about the same amount of time. Okay. So I like to say that I'm also a civil rights advocate. Yep. Um, that means that I will um I'm the one guy that if you just follow me for guns, you're probably gonna be disappointed. Because what are we protecting if that's all we talk about, right? Come on. So come on. Um, I will get into the issues uh all about making our country, our communities better, right? It's never about division, it's about unification, and sometimes that comes with tough conversations, right? Yeah. So I've had every the pleasure of speaking about whether it's uh protecting the Second Amendment or protecting other civil rights, because I do believe the Second Amendment is a civil right. I've had the privilege of doing that. I've had the privilege of putting well over a hundred fathers back into the lives of their children to help bend those uh mend those broken homes. I've mentored thousands of young men's over the years to our program called Aiming for the Truth, which is now uh supported by the Greenwood Project down in Atlanta, Georgia, where we secured 40 acres of land. And long story short, it's kind of like gun range meets community center. Let's go. Right. So one day we're shooting, the next day we're doing reading, writing, financial literacy classes for the kids, right? We're opening a garden this year where the community can come in and garden. Uh, we're teaching survivalist courses. We're also getting the kids out, teaching them about de-escalation skills and how to be better men, right? Uh when they farm or harvest all the crops, they're gonna understand how to do market research for cost analysis, right? Their total cost opportunities and how to sell it. So we're building young entrepreneurs as well, if that's the s if that's the way they decide to go. Uh, we've had different people come in and give career opportunity advice to them. So I've had everybody from uh doctors to green berets literally come in and talk to these kids about um opening up their lives and doing different things. And I like to do that for everyone. We help out adults as well. So um that that's who I am, man. So I I like the shooty shooty bang bang stuff. I think I do it at a pretty decent level. I put a lot of effort.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

That's very one-dimensional. You you're you're a man. That's a lot to unpack. Yeah, drop something. We need some horns.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

We can't hear everything.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

We got sound effects going on. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Man, can can we take it all the way back, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

What started this journey for you? Yeah. Uh, you know, what started the what started the journey like professionally, man, was um, you know, and this is just gonna be a real moment. And I've said this a lot of times with the gun itself, right? That started, I had a trip a childhood was was not unheard of, but still pretty hard for a uh a kid to deal with. So when I first got my hands on a gun, a gun that was left unsecure, the first thing I tried to do was kill myself.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Real talk, right? After me and my friend shot that gun, and he tried to hide it back from his parents, I went back to his house, found the gun again, and tried to get it to work with contemplation of committing suicide at 13 years old. Tried it again with a lever action gun at 15 and then realized you had to cock the lever all the way forward, right? And then it wasn't loaded. Um, so that found my my my friends, another friend, his dad's lever action rifle, he left unsecured, right? Tried to do it again. So from there I started kind of thinking that maybe I'm here for a reason. No, you got to take that in. It's a 15-year-old kid, right? So my thought process is maybe I'm not supposed to die, right? Or even even though I wanted to. So from there, I had this awakening of life when it came to guns. Like that thing, I've been looking at it, right? Because I see it in the hood every day. I I came up in an area called Walnut Park in St. Louis. It's what they write movies about, all right? Yeah. It's it's it's it's the crack era 90s.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

It's all the all the stuff, right? So I was like, well, one thing I want to do outside of all the community stuff that I started kind of being a local street preacher, if you will, what I want to do is take the power. So for me, the gun was used by criminals, right? Um, and then it was only held by police. And the relationship with the police wasn't always the best. Now, this is coming from the mindset of a 15-year-old case.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

So if it's cops and criminals with the occasional uncle that served in whatever war on the street that has a gun, well, I'm only looking at this thing as, you know, a fix-all to my mental health issues. So what I decided to do was say, all right, well, if this thing is being used against me in so many ways and is a negative, what will happen if I captured the force of it and used it in my own way? And that's when I realized that I'm going to control the gun. The gun's not going to control me. Right? And so when I joined the St. Louis City Police Department, now prison and processing division at 21, it was the first time they took I had professional instruction, right? This wasn't on the street, this wasn't on the block, this was professional instruction. And I got to the academy, and I ain't gonna lie, when I got in there, I'm like, I've seen a gun before, of course. But I'm looking at the table, it's about 70 guns laid out because a bunch of people going there and do some training. And literally, little Billy Drool just came here, right? And it's semi-automatics, revolvers, the whole nine, and I'm looking, and we're shooting, but I'm the kid, like, but why is this, why, why is this a revolver? Where do semi-automatics come from? Like, who is Smith and Weston? Like, I'm asking these questions on the line, right? Like, who made the ammo? And so the instructor got really upset with me in a good way, though. If I'm here to qual you, yeah, shut up, shoot, qual, and get off my line, right? Uh, but I kept asking questions. And then it did turn into all right, kid, if you want to know more, your time, your dime. You want to know more, you come hang out. You can come get the game. That's a bar, right? Yeah, but you you you're gonna make it work. I did. And so from there I started asking guys that knew better and I started training better, and then I had a couple of our uh HRT guys that actually took me under their wing too. Like, all right, this kid wanna know. So we're gonna teach them, right? And and so that's what happened. And after that, I was like, after years of guidance and learning about it, then this awakening of the Second Amendment happened too, right at the same time. Because I'm a civil rights advocate, but I'm learning about guns, and then I realized all this crap that I'm talking about, we can't protect it without the gun, right? But now I have a positive relationship with the gun, and then that's when I realized I've finally taken the power of the gun that I was looking for when I was 15. Yeah, now I have it, right? Um, and then I decided that, well, I'm seeing a lot of good people be locked up, detained the rest of their lives around, right? So also, what's the point of trying to help you build your life if you can make a split-second decision that ruins it, right? Also, can we take some of the negativity off of the firearm and start really working on the things we really need to work on because it's not the gun's fault? And so from there I decided, well, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna start educating people around guns because I'm tired of seeing you locked up, I'm tired of sending you to prison. I'm gonna educate you around guns, how to use them, but also how to think. And so I was sitting there and I was like, well, I'm gonna help people out. That started off with police cadets, right? The academy guys couldn't train them like outside of the academy hours. It's kind of like favoritism, right? It's a conflict of interest. So a lot of cops start, you know, sending their their uh recruits to me. Um like, hey, take them out, get them trained up. Now, is this still back home in Missouri? Yeah, still in Missouri. Okay, and so I trained up the recruits, and that's when I realized I had a knack for really transferring information, but I also knew what they had to call for. Yeah, and so I knew how to coach people toward a goal. And I'm like, all right, I think I'm pretty good at this. And so I I I I I gritted my teeth that way, and the next thing you know, I opened up a training company. And so I called that training company No Other Choice. And that's where the name comes from. And no other choice simply means extend God's grace and mercy to others as you would want to extend it to you, unless they leave you with no other choice. You will then do your job with extreme prejudice and go home. Yeah, period, right? Yeah. So we really need to be at a point of no other choice, but that was the philosophy to keep people out of prison. All right, but at the same time, you're a good person that's capable of extreme violence. And I'm gonna teach you how to do that, right? And so if you have to take out a monster, you're gonna take them out. But I also need to be able to keep you out of prison. Yeah, and so that's where it started with the training because a lot of guys coming back from GWAT, much love to them, when they were coming back from GWAT, it was all about murder, death, kill tactics. I'm like, guys, that's that's I get it, and I get your your approach to that, and that's awesome. Here's the problem. While you're saying that on at I think that's when YouTube, now YouTube wasn't even around yet. But as you're saying that in the classes and uh, you know, different uh Facebook stuff and all that, what's happening is Tom is taking that advice in, and he's thinking, all right, this is what I'm gonna do. Five times in the face, stand over his body, drop a grenade in his pants and call it a day. And I'm like, what you're not seeing, you saw terror and you fought terror face on. What you're not seeing is what I'm gonna do to Tom after you tell him to do that.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Right? Yeah, like so I need to keep Tom out of prison. And so I'm gonna go ahead and educate Tom on how to do the thing that you're teaching him how to do. Yeah, maybe without a grenade, how to do the thing, but at the same time, hey, how can you win the fight if you get into the fight? Yeah, but also go home.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Right? And so that's that's where I started.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

You know what?

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

You said something.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

You said a lot of things. I mean, that's our God-given right. I love that you said the grace is extended until it's either me or you. If I gotta go home or you, I'm I gotta make it home.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

But what's cool is you said something when you were introducing yourself that kind of piggybacks off of what you're saying now, is having the mental capacity to think beyond, okay, what's the consequence of this action? Because if you go and spend your time up that road behind that wall, you're there with other gorillas. It don't matter how, you know what I mean? So in your introduction, you said uh de-escalation. That's something we talked about even last season, right? Because uh, I was featured on a podcast last year, sometime or two years ago, and we were talking about what's the thing in the hood that hurts our community. It's we don't want to sit down and talk. We as men were taught up, yo, I I hear how you feel, we ain't got time for that. Squash the feeling. No feeling, no, you're a man, be a man, stand up, stand in the paint, all that, right? All that rhetoric, only for you to become an adult. Now you can own a firearm. And because you don't know how to de-escalate, you don't know how to talk, you're just you're just gonna resort to violence. I don't know how to speak on my feelings, I don't know how to process my emotions, I'm gonna respond as such, right? And so I like that you said in your intro of yourself that you're big on de-escalation. Well, not big, but you said de-escalation is one of the things you teach on. Yeah, let's talk about that. Because that's something that in the inner city, I heard you say you you're from you're from the city, right? You're from the bridge.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

So we're from Miami, well, Palm Beach County to be exact, but South Florida, right? So talk about that, bro, because that carries a lot of weight. There's a lot of power in the ability just to do what we're doing as men to sit down and talk, even if it's differences. That's what we should be doing, right? The gun is could, like you said, take the power, remove the power from the gun. If I bear that power and I can have a civilized conversation with somebody I'm at odds with, oh, we're already beyond where we need to be. Talk about that. How have you applied that and what's that meant?

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Well, that that started, that started with this, man, to keep it a book. It started with this. Um, when you go back to the environment that not just me, but many of us come from, right? You go you go back to those environments, and when you kind of detach, and like you say you go 10,000 feet in the earth, you can just look down at it, right? You come out of your body and you look down at it. I've been telling people for years I was bred to kill black men. Yeah, I was bred to do it. Absolutely. Because if I'm put into this environment, right, and we can talk about how the environment got to the way it is, and there is some personal accountability that goes there for each individual. But if I'm put into this environment with lack of resources, lack of ability to express, right? Lack of coaching, guidance, and then you dump me in a chaos, well, I'm gonna become a a product of that chaos, just if nothing else, but to survive. Right? And guess who's my enemy? Everybody else is involved in the chaos. That's it. And so, and and we used to say this all the time, and it was true. And it's not that black people don't commit crimes against white people or nothing like that, but this was a very true statement in my hood. Derek can step on your shoe and you'll kill him. You go out to the county mall and Bobby steps on your shoe, you might be upset because your brand new sneaker guy stepped on. But the moment Bobby goes, Hey, I'm sorry, you go, Whoops, you're going, okay, and you walk away because you fear the consequences that come along with hurting Bobby. You respect his white skin more than you respect your own black skin. You respect the consequences of what you believe law enforcement is gonna do to you because Bobby happens to be Caucasian, but you know if you did that to Derek in the hood, it ain't gonna matter. Ain't nobody really checking on Derek like that, right? So it's I'm uh it's okay to kill you. It's okay to take you out, it's okay to devalue your life. And so when we step back from that, you look like, well, why would you think it's ever okay to take somebody else's life if you understood what a life was? Well, now you look at it the other way. Oh, bro, you don't you don't even like your own life.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

It ain't really Derek that's the problem. You got a problem with self. You got a problem with self-respect. So really it's not Derek. Every time you step up and look in the mirror, you don't like your skin.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

You don't like your conditions. You got a problem that's ingrained in you. But it's not because you were self-taught to be hateful like that. You were bred in an environment that's gonna give you this. This is what I need you for. I need you to go kill each other. I need for you to live in food deserts. I need for you to believe nobody's coming to help you. And this is before internet. This is before you can get online and see the world, right? So I need for you to believe that this is the best for you. That's why in the hood, our best thing is if you can work at the local factory on a shop, that's a dream job. We say that about back home. Oh, Mr. Wilson been there for 35 years at GM or Ford or you know, Monsanto, or whatever the company is, right? That's a dream job. In St. Louis, it was a McDonnell Douglas Boeing now and all that, right? That was the dream job, being the worker. While 15, 20 minutes up the highway, the dream job is to own a damn place, right? So that's where I believe our self-respect's came from. So when I start looking at that in a much more uh detailed arena, it's like, all right, man, here's what we're gonna do. You gotta understand something. Frustration is gonna come out in one of two ways. And I tell people this all the time, you're gonna get it in one of two ways, fam. Which way you want it? You want the tears? That's the crying, expressing yourself, getting it out, right? You can still be a man, but you gotta have a good way of getting it out. And it's come from the kids too, right? Allow those kids to get that out to purge it. So you want it in tears or you want it in terror? Because either way, you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

So either you're gonna let me purge this out slowly, or I'm gonna explode, and you're gonna catch all the terror that I can deliver to you, all the frustration I can deliver to you, everything that I got, you're gonna catch, even if it's undeserving. So when I look at how to de-escalate, that started with making sure that I valued other black men around me. And so one of my first pledges was I vowed that, unless I'll leave it at this. I vowed never to kill another black man, right? So once you have an awakening like that and you realize, now understand something. Once you're a threat, you ain't got a skin color.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

That's a fact.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Don't get it twisted. Once you become a threat, all bets are off. Been there, done that, played the game, that all bets are off. What I'm speaking about is unnecessary violence, right? I'm not gonna do that to him. And what that made me realize is, well, then now I respect myself. I had to gain self-respect because I was suicidal. So now that I'm learning to love myself, I can love you better. And now that I can love Derek up the street better, oh shit, now I can love you better. Now I can love you better because now my eyes are awakening to like, oh shit. Once I see the game and I see eyes being played and I know what I was engineered for, oh shit, what game been people played on you, you know? So I had to play it that way.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

You know what's powerful about what he said?

SPEAKER_01 16:24

I mean, go ahead. Well, there's so many things. No, because um, you know, when I came up, I I heard someone speaking on this. Um, I think it might have been large pro of like you even look at the music back in the day, right? You had records like like uh let's uh fight the power, you know what I'm saying? And you you fast forward to like what even just everyone consumes, right?

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Because I think about catching a bye.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

You know what I mean? The ops, and like you said, man, the op is one of your brothers. Like, why is he your op? Well, here's because he lives a block away from you. We had a recording studio in the hood, and there was literally dudes that couldn't be in the studio together, but they lived 30 seconds from each other, you know. Like literally and this is generational wars that you know, I was a sub, I was like in the suburbs, but I got into the streets because I had to buck, I had that energy. My mom didn't know what to do with it. She said, just come home, you know. But I was out in the streets doing stuff I shouldn't have been doing. But I didn't understand that level of yo, we hate them because they're the other side. And you know, how that compounds, and dudes don't know how to de-escalate because and I'm sorry, I'll I'll bring this, I'll lay in this plain, but I say because you were very good at because you did grow up in in a rough area of of seeing that and helping them de-escalate it. And I give you props for that because there was dudes in there ready to, it was ready to be awarded now.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Yeah, super talented. Our studio was on the the fresh of both neighborhoods.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Didn't realize it yet though.

SPEAKER_02 17:55

Yeah, didn't realize it, and this neighborhood usually wouldn't come over to record over here because this section was known as this neighborhood studio, right? And so eventually these two dudes land into our space. He's recording one of them, I'm recording my client, right? And they both pop out and they're like, man, that sounds good, bro. Like, you mind if I throw a verse on that? They jump on each other's songs, they come out like, yo, that's dope. Let's share our socials with each other. You know, we gotta put this out. Man, the minute they put in each other's handles, we were standing in the hallway. It all went from ha ha ha to like instantly.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

It was like copyright. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

And I was like, hey, hey, hey, that don't exist in here.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

I said, y'all can go out about two miles outside of here, and that can exist there, or y'all can do what y'all need to do in here and talk about it. They were like, no, all right, OG, all right, OG. We I said, because in here is self-expression. Create what you need to create. Allow yourself, but this right here, look at y'all. Look at y'all standing there, looking at each other.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Y'all just vibed and made a record 10 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Nobody knew it. And he said, He got it. Make sure that song don't get out. Because I will get killed if somebody hears it. And the other dude was like, Yeah, and don't tell nobody we crossed. I said, That's it. That's all I wanted. That's it. And they ended up being cool. They walked out, everything was cool. We made sure one left at one time, the other left at the other time. Because our our job is to pour into people, right? Especially in the community where we're at. We're when we started that business, it wasn't about just take, take, take. We poured back into that community because I once we realized where we were at, I was like, oh bro, this is home. This is just on the other side of the city. So it was like more give back, sit down, get out, go see that the world is bigger than these four corners.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

That's it. I loved what you man. There's so many things I could like when you said, yo, man, you gotta breathe, pull yourself out of that situation and look at it from the bird's eye view. Bird's eye view. And you see, I'm fighting my brother down there. He lives on, we grew up in the same place. Same situation.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

And it's like you looking for somebody that looks just like you, just from a different man, that's deep. They got the energy, they look like you got the tact. You know that body language, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Man, it's many, it's manufactured hate. It's not it's not even real. And to the young boys out there, I said this when I was standing in the front of a trap house back in um back in St. Louis. Um to the to the knuckleheads, they're not your OGs, man. To them old cats that just never made it out. I want y'all to understand this. They don't even run the block.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Man.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

They had beef with somebody back in the day. That person moved the block up the street, and that's how you look block wars star, right? Yep. The cats that they got them under control, they tell them, yo, we don't like that dude. He gets some cats to make sure he can stand up against you. We don't like them. You fast forward 15 years, you got these block wars. Nobody understands. But let me tell you something. The OGs are the cats on the block that's telling you that that's why you got to smoke with them guys. Let me tell you how you know it's false. One, they don't even own the block. And this is how I proved the point up there. I said right now, it was I had about six, seven young cats out there, and I knew all of them were strapped. Right? And all none of them was supposed to be. Right. I knew they all were. We were just standing up there talking. I say, hey, let me ask y'all a question, man. If uh 12 hit the corner right now, right, right the f now, what would y'all do? Now we sitting on the front of the house. I know it's a trap house. I don't know, no, but I know. Yeah. I said, so what y'all gonna do? He's like, shit, we're gonna hit these alleyways real smooth, real quick. I'm going to the house close. Everybody had a different answer, right? I said, right now, why? I said, why? Come on, man. And everybody was like, because I got that, you know, I got that, you know, showing the pulling A shirt, so man, I got that thing. I said, cool, that's cool. That's cool, man. I got no problem with that. All right, gotcha. Okay, I see you up there with that. You know, you probably should get this kind of mag. That didn't know I was a gun guy. I said, you should probably should get this kind of mag, you know, that's that's gonna just lock upon you. You know, don't do, don't do that. But I first I need you to maybe think about how you can lawfully carry that. How do you, young man? I'm 18. When your 19th birthday, oh, in about four or five months, you know, at 19 in the state of Missouri, I can get you right and legal. If you ain't got caught up in that and you change your life right now, you can carry that legally, right? Had that whole conversation. And I'm like, well, let's move forward a little bit more with the conversation. How is it your block, if you just told me somebody else can come over here and make you go in the house? I said, I said, now y'all said because y'all got the straps, right? I said, cool, no problem. I was like, can I show y'all something? They was like, bet. I'm like, all right. I walk down to my truck, I grab my AR out of my truck. I slung it across my chest and I sat back on the porch. Now for like 30 seconds and nobody talked. Then nobody talked. I continued on with the conversation. I said, now the difference is the 12 come around the corner and like five, six minutes later, SUV came around the corner of the police. I was standing out in front of the house. Cop came by, obviously he looked at me. I waved at him. Ain't nobody finna just wave at you if you're anything they were gonna leave, right? I waved at him, he gave me like the head nod, and continued up the street at the same pace, right? Well, no, he no window down on nothing, right? And I said, now it's amazing because as soon as he came around the corner, and they all did exactly what they said they were gonna do, right? I said, it's crazy, man. Now, is this your block or my block?

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Who block is it? And I said, now who who when we pay the taxes over here, who who grandma, who owned grandma's house? You? No, some other guy from out of here. I said, so y'all don't um you own a property and you don't even own the street because somebody else can make you move.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

But what you will do, because of based off what some OG told you, the dudes over there that got the same conditions and problems you got, you'll kill him for walking down your street, but you'll let 12 run you in the house. Yeah, you'll let somebody else collect taxes off grandma. Right. You'll you will you will let somebody else come over here and piss and throw trash in grandma your house? You won't even ask people to respect mama's house and pick up trash in front of the crib. You won't even respect what your mama, and then you telling me that you love, man, I love my kids. You love your kids, Shorty? Then why are you letting them run around here in this filth? How come you're not at least picking up the neighborhood or showing them how to pick up the neighborhood? You don't own shit. You know who, you know, you know what you own? Nothing. All you own is a destroyed ego and false promises. Because somebody else didn't convince you that's all you worth. That's it. So I pulled up here for 15 minutes and showed you that I actually own your block. You don't own nothing. So the reason that you have to be hyped up to believe that you own something so you can be somebody's crash out dummy. And this is why the OG is standing here. They OG is standing right here. But what are you gonna what you what are you gonna do? What are you gonna say? Well, yeah, what are you gonna say? What are you gonna do? Because as soon as he gets into it with an old boy and he gas you up, you're gonna go be a crash out. Yeah, that's it. They gonna tell uh stories in the hood about you for about three months. Yeah, yeah. Somebody else gonna be smashing your baby mama.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

That's it. Standing up, you know what I mean? Like, it's gonna be money.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

It's gonna be your dog because you're gonna get that trauma bond with her, like, yeah, that's messed up. He's gonna be it. That's gonna be it, man. So it's it's so many stupid, ignorant things. And what the one thing that, and this is one thing that I kind of preach to the traditional Second Amendment community. Yeah, we say things like, okay, Second Amendment's for everyone, right? Like Tony Simon says, and we want to go out and you you want to bring everybody in. One of the issues with this community is they're stupid. There's not another way to say it. They're stupid and they're ignorant with the true sense of the definitions of the words, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

If you want to understand people and you really want the Second Amendment to thrive, I can tell you right now, we say this a lot. Man, the hood ain't Antarctica. No, it ain't they just don't have the knowledge. No, it's like a knowledge.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Yeah, that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

When all you do is come through and every time they see you post about them, it's ignorant. Yeah. Little racist, little slick ass comments y'all got up under the, you know, where somebody put the in, somebody else come with the I. Yeah. You gotta understand something while you but but you'll be the same person preaching. Oh, guns for everyone. Man, don't you know that somebody that's anti-gun or just trying to but push the stereotype that we're not welcome there is screenshotting it and sharing it? Yeah. So don't you know that little funny post you thought was cool, that probably threw six, seven people. And I'm being nice from being like, nope, but post that five times a month. You can be responsible, 50 people a month. It's like we're cool on that, right? We're not rocking with them. I want to go over there with them because they don't want to do the real work. And if you think what we're talking about in the hood only applies in the hood, man, stop acting like the trailer park different. Right, yeah. It might be a different reason that they got there, but the end result is the same, right? Trying to push that like that's why I laughed at that whole what was that uh dude named the dead uh don't try this in a small town shit. I'm like, uh like homeboy, yeah, you know how many motherfucking meth heads I can find in a small town. Now the difference is now they might not be going around because it ain't six, seven hundred thousand people. So they might not be going around getting the same volume of numbers, but when you look at the stat, right, it's still the same. Like the same way our crackheads trying to steal, uh breaking the truck to get the power tool or the pioneer radio, it's the same way your crackheads trying to steal a llama on the four-wheeler. Come on, man. Yeah, it's all the same, man. Right? So when we try to have them conversations and then people want to complain, well, the Second Amendment is so is divided, it's divided and I'm survived because of your dumb ass. That's it. That's it. You know what I'm saying? It's about it because of your dumb ass. And then when you get to talking greasy like that and you get to talking to them, then they want to assume, and I can say it for a lot of people, they want to assume off. Well, you just don't understand how intellectually I can run the block around you. I do understand the life. The difference is I'm accepting to understand that your life ain't been pretty either. I don't give a fuck if you did grow up in a well-to-do neighborhood. Yo, your daddy could have been drunk every night, beating the shit out of your mama. You don't think that caused trauma for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You've got your own trauma in your own trauma. That's it. Trauma, it's just trauma. Yeah, right. So we can sit down at the table and have a conversation. What I can say is the hood has been more accepting of what other people go through where you turn your back on people from the hood. Right? That's why I can say if you ever want to see beauty, if you ever want to see something beautiful, because I've been there, get somebody straight from the hood and get you a motherfucking Trello Park Ray and Deck. Put them in a room together. Oh, man.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

We have way more in common than we do it in. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

It's a racetrack, quarter mile drag racetrack. In the hood, it's popular to do a Chevy Caprice, a don't. We get a don't. But Chevy Caprice. No big block in there. Back in the day, it was 22s, it was the biggest you could get. And then forwards and sixes. Right. And you get them boys to race against the boys from Locks of Hatchet. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, it's one in the same.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Like, man, we like all the same stuff, bro.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

One of the same. It's all it is, man. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Man, I'm not sure. Let's change the face, though. Yeah, we got to. Because I man, I think that about a lot of things only because I look at like uh like rivalry games, like sports. It's like you fighting this dude that lives 20 miles from you because he got a different jersey on. It's like, man, that's crazy. If y'all hung out, you probably got a thousand things in common, except for the team you root for. And I I that's kind of my analogy for the same thing. It's like, man, we we're all, bruh, too many things divide us. Yeah, yeah. Too many. Yeah. Way too many. So switch gears. What do we got?

SPEAKER_02 28:37

I want to talk about training learn, bro.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

So uh again, that's your thing. And uh, I found out about it yesterday. The good brother KD educated me. He did.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Nah. He did.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

First thing he said today, y'all been talking about y'all been for a while. Tell us about it, man, because like we're, you know, we're on the inside of the industry like you. We're we're I always say we're news because it's our third year, but you're a veteran. You I said at the beginning of the show, you laid the groundwork, foundational groundwork, especially for black Latinos and other minorities in the space.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

So, and I say this all the time. My wife is black, my children are are black and Latinos. But um, talk about you said you're you're a civil rights uh advocate, right?

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

People don't realize how much civil rights did for all minority groups. That is amplified in this space. So I've been watching you for a little over a year. I think the first time we met, it was just in passing. But you know, uh, there's other black creators in the space, man. You gotta tap in with Kevin, but I always say, bro, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna introduce myself to him. I'm gonna wait till it just happens organically. Not a thing of pride, but because I like to watch people. Right to see how they move. Because if you're true to who you are, okay, then I'm gonna rock with you. Right? And one of the things that I I saw about you that I admire was at uh at a particular event, uh well, regular meetup. I like that you stood on business and you were like, yo, we gotta come together. We can't just be bojangles and jumping around and doing all this and all that, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Yeah, I know that ruffles and feathers.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Of course you did. But you know what? That's the conversation that we need to have in the world.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

We said the tough conversations, yeah. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Talk about train and learn.

SPEAKER_00 30:21

All right, man. So train and learn is three days of professional development. Um, and train to learn was born for actually guys like you and guys that have been around longer than me. But it started with guys like you, and now we just built it to encompass everybody because we realized everybody could benefit, so we restructured it where everybody can fit. But here's the reason uh that it started. When I came into the game uh publicly, right? I wasn't just a dude on Facebook. I've been training for a long time, but when I decided to have a public presence outside of my local community, um my first video I put up back then went viral, for what viral was then. Uh, first time I ever like put my face behind something. I just had a message. I was in the middle of Utah and I had something on my mind, and I just said it. Um first real video I put up was just giving people insight to who I was, and it spiked. And then I started all of a sudden, quickly, within six months, I was on television, right? Interviews all over the place, right? Right message, right time, I guess, right? Sometimes it's about saying it at the right time, right? Um, and so my fast track, I saw meeting people real quick. And I saw getting into rooms other people couldn't get into. And I saw having conversations other people couldn't have, right? And so I realized that for me, if you want to be a professional in this industry, yeah, it takes a network, it takes new on people, it takes, you know, seeing what happens behind the scenes. I got it in less than a year. Some people have been trying to get that for 10. Couldn't get it, right? So now I had to understand the reason why they couldn't. Was that all just, hey, that's the way the game works, you gotta grit your teeth more, or was it a problem with them, right? Because it can be a little bit of both. And so what I decided to do is take some of that education and information and put it in a way that if you want to succeed, we're gonna help you. So if you want to maximize going to Shy Show, coming to NRAM, uh, you want to understand how to talk to sponsors, you want to understand all that stuff, I'm going to pull, not me, because I knew everything, but I was blessed to meet a lot of smart people immediately. So I'm gonna pull on those relationships and we're gonna put them in the space and we're gonna try to help you, right? If you devote yourself to it. And that's what train and learn is. A lot of people also don't understand that we bring different stuff to the table. Like we talk guns, this and that. I'm I'm degreed up twice, certified three times outside of guns. What are the degrees? Uh I am uh I have a master's in procurement and acquisition with an understudy in contract management and an undergrad in business administration. Let's go. Right? You know what I'm saying? We need some sound. Um that's also certified in CM Masonry work, certified in GC work. Like we have to be able to come out here and really get busy with other things we understand. Um, I've also worked for a couple of Fortune 500 companies and a subcontractor with the DOD. I got I got a lot of experience, but I just ain't me. Other people have different things. They mean you could have been a retailer at uh, I don't know, TJ Maxx. But did you know how to manage that floor? Watch inventory coming in, space it out, set the end caps right. Like we all have this different experience. I say, you know what? We're lacking. We're doing too many damn range days. I'm about to start an event to help people be better. So, day one, we set this event up for the workshops, right? That's when you're gonna come in. You don't just show up. Yeah. Show up. Now remember, you're representing your brand and your business, but show up. And we're giving you workshops, right? And those workshops are gonna be based around business and business acumen, right? Do you understand what branding and marketing truly is, right? Or do you think you know, and maybe you didn't, or you've been around for 20 years, but you ain't hit to the new stuff, right? We want to talk about that. The psychology behind business. What about money? Let's talk about some money, right? How to how to manage it, what to do with it, how to look at it, right? So, like this year, for example, we have uh a venture capitalist group speaking. We talk about some money. And they're gonna talk about money in our space, not just money in general, it's gonna be what you can apply in the outdoor space almost immediately, right? We also have an attorney coming in. It's gonna talk about, man, you trademarks good? You've been copywriting your material. Do you know how to do that? Do you know what vulnerabilities? How that waiver looking, right? Like, so uh is all your stuff tied up, and this is what you need to be doing. And we got a couple other surprises. So that day one is all that. We're gonna talk business. Uh, and then we have a couple of surprises I'm not gonna spoil uh on the show right now. Um, and then day two, now we're gonna get out to the range. So after you understand business and marketing and your North Star on how to track it and how to execute and how to hold yourself accountable. I'm a big person on accountability. Right? How to hold yourself accountable, right? Gonna give out day two, we go out to the range. I did the range because I understood that there were a lot of people that have gifts, podcasting, marketing, that didn't know how to handle guns. Right? And then I got gun people that are coming. I got a lot of instructors that come too. So I was like, okay, let's give everybody some gun work. But that's the reason why instead of saying we all like guns, let's shoot. Nah. We gotta have a reason. So we always gonna do rifle pistol because I don't want somebody to do the HK blunder again where they had the rounds loaded and the mag backwards on the cover of the magazine. I also saw people that were great at photography, great at putting videos out, but didn't know how to handle guns, right? But then I also saw instructors that call themselves instructors. The only people you ever taught is your homeboys, the same six people. You say, Oh, I'm an instructor. No, you ain't, bro. I ain't nothing against you, you just not. You ain't you ain't you ain't good at the craft. Well, I don't call myself an instructor. So you're not good at the craft. But let's put you in a position to get good at the craft.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

So let's put you around professionals. So you get out there like, oh, damn. Oh shit. Okay, okay. So you get 90-minute workshops, four of them. All right. So like this year we're doing rifle pistol, uh, we're doing close quarter combat, and then we're going to do uh basic survival skills, right? You know how to filter some water, you know how to start a fire, you know how to do some of the uh medical is a part of that, right? Do you know how to do these things? Um and then we're gonna we're gonna have uh some sponsor presentations, right? Because at normal range days, like I tell people, you go up, you try to ask about widget A, gunshots, you know, they getting tired because they didn't say the same thing, right? So it's a lot of fatigue going on in there. Well, what I'm gonna do is give, shut everything down. So if you are curious about a sponsor and they want to talk to you, you got 20 minutes to do nothing but listen to them, right? Get you off your feet, have a good time, better communication, right? Uh and then remember at training learners all our sponsors are there because they're looking for people to work with, right? So this ain't like going to SHIS Show begging for, hey man, no. But at the same time, you also got three days to embarrass your damn self and don't nobody want to work with you, right? So it's it's all about accountability, right? I'm gonna set you up. But you you got to do the right thing with it. Then Saturday night we have a networking event, right? So that's a bonfire, gonna feed you good. All right, I'm gonna get out for those that partake once all the guns are put up after we do our night vision experience. We're gonna get out a little bourbon, gonna get out a little cigar. We do a bourbon and cigar parent class, like 15-minute class, you know. Then you can smoke, hang out by the fireman, laugh with people, joke with people. It's been two days and non-stop. Get out there and kick it with them. Network though. So if you're smart, you don't get drunk. I don't know, it's up to you because you're trying to network. Now you might, but maybe not. Listen, you know, you gotta know how to balance that thing out depending on where you're at, right? Yeah. And then Sunday we come together and we do uh uh what I call marketing madness or content collaboration. And that's when you're actually able to produce with the the um the sponsors' products, right? You're able to produce with their products, uh, you're able to, you know, do any kind of follow-up questions, you're able to go out. Um, we want to collab together, right? I got well, you got 40 acres, bro. Do something, yeah, right? We also have three ancillary workshops that occur that day as well. So one of them is our uh our ladies go off to the side and they talk about whatever they talk about. I ain't in it, I ain't involved, I want no smoke, right? But we let them women, women have their breakout session, discuss whatever they want. Uh we're also doing a breakout session this year about how to make the most out of your equipment that you currently own. So, how to make the most out of your camera phone for exactly, right? Like how to get that good photo shot, you know, make your videos look good, stuff like that. And then we have a breakout shop about instructors, right? Like why you suck and how we're gonna get better, right? So we're having those workshops. So that's what train and learn is. Now, this is who train and learn is not for. Uh, you gotta be in the industry, right? Some way, shape, form, or fashion. I'm not tripping off followers, man. We all we all at one point had zero, then we all at one point had one. Yes, right? So I'm not tripping off followers. I'm tripping off your grit, your ground and the fact that you're trying to do it, right? We're not like other events, it's gonna exclude you. If I see you working or somebody vouch me that you're working, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

If you come in with I am a professional at the end of the day, we can sit back. I mean, you know, we co-hitch all the time, right? Yeah. But at the end of the day, like it's why I say I'm degreed up too. Just like I'm strapped up, I'm degreed up. So we will handle ourselves. As you're right. As we should, right? We will handle ourselves as professional. He was talking about contracts and waivers, though. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

That's where we live.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Uh but we gotta be able to do it in uh in a right and professional way, right? So when you show up at training learn, I expect for you to bring your professional hat. Yeah, we're going to be professionals. If you ain't a professional, bro, don't come to my event. I'm gonna keep it a buck with you. Don't come. Um and professionalism, it looks different. Doesn't mean that you don't have a great sense of humor, that you don't laugh all the time, that you're not quirky or weird to people. Oh, I love that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

No, professional. But you can still be a professional in that ballpark, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:57

So be you, but just you know, professional. That's it. Um uh we ain't tripping off what you look like, where you come from, what you dress like. I don't care about nothing. I like diversity. Bring it all, right? Worst case, we're gonna cook you. That's it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 39:10

We're gonna cook you. Look, I knew you didn't.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

And I'm almost done. I'm almost done. So you're about to make this personal. So um the last thing with uh train and learn that uh it's also not for some people that don't appreciate the price.

SPEAKER_03 39:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Uh in the world of professional development, and I don't care what you go to and whatever genre of life you go to, if you're not willing to invest in yourself, then Brian, I ain't the guy for you. Uh so the price of this thing that includes, by the way, all the ammo required for your training. Okay. It includes three meals, full meals. Uh so you're gonna get three fed three times all the ammo required for your training, swag bag, an opportunity um to walk away with about six or seven thousand dollars this year worth of prizes, right? The networking you're gonna get, the connections you're gonna make. Um, and what else? I'm missing something. Oh, the bourbon and the cigar, um, you know, gift. And there's something else that I'm forgetting, and I apologize. But that whole weekend is$400.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Hey, y'all heard it here first, man. Y'all gotta tap in, you know, attend. We'll be there. If you're already in the space and you even got a little bit of hustle to you, you wanna learn how to maneuver the space. Business is business, it's separate from hobby, it's separate from leisure. You gotta know how to maneuver the space. Brother KD's been in the space for 26 years, and so we're gonna be there.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Oh, we'll be there. Yeah, yeah, we'll be there. Oh, I I know y'all will.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Oh, yeah, that's we're wrapping this thing up.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

I mean, we gotta we got questions to ask.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

You gotta few. I wanna I wanna go to the music.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Oh, music first? Okay, we'll wrap it with the EDC. Go music.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Okay, okay. I'm gonna go music first because this, you know, it does say exploring conversations to comedy culture and all, right?

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

We're music heads. We've been in the recording studio for almost 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 41:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

I told you when you walked up, you walked up, and I first thing I thought of was purple rain. What's in KD's rotation at any given time? Let's say top five artists right now.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Oh, top five. Well, we'll be a good one. Any genre, any genre. All right, my number one artist of all. No, I'm gonna start at five. I'm gonna start at five. So I like a good story. I like somebody to tell a good story, right? Okay. And so I'm gonna give that to No, I'll make him an honorable mention. So I'll make honorable mention, man. My honorable mention right now is Yellow Pain.

unknown 41:31

Who's that?

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Yellow pain. And if you ain't hit the yellow pain, look Yellow Pain up on IG, bro. Okay. The brothers' storytelling abilities are off the chain. Okay. Um, and my only second honorable mention is gonna be Joyner Lucas for the same reason. Right? That's storyteller. Yeah. Uh so number number five, because I am I'm I am old school, right? So number five, I'm gonna go with um Biggie. Okay. You know, number five is gonna be big because I like a good story. You know what I'm saying? Number five is gonna be Biggie. Um my number four uh for just pure like longevity, and I think underrated. I think he's the most underrated rapper ever. I think I know where you're going. Period.

unknown 42:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

The most underrated rapper at the moment.

SPEAKER_03 42:12

Dang, Jada, Jada's gonna be my four.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

And then attached to him, I'll put Sheik and Luke, you know, you know, the boys. Yeah, them them boys and the locks be doing their thing. So I gotta hand it down to them. Uh, number three, uh, you know, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna stick with rap for a second. Number three, I'm gonna go Pac. Because Pac to me was, you know, uh revolutionary in a way he brought a message. And I think that people forgive Pac before Death Row.

SPEAKER_03 42:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

You know what I mean? Like, you know, I think they forget Pac before Death Row, but the kind of knowledge that brother was dropping in. That's your Apocalypse Now album. I had that thing on repeat, bro. Um my number, when I'm on three, right? So my number two, and not necessarily because of lyrical ability, but extremely lyrical, but when you put it all together, uh the brother is uh phenomenal. And that's gonna be uh Jay-Z. Okay. You know, uh, you gotta give Jay his props, man. Like, I'm not taking lyrics away from him. He's obviously, but when you look at that brother's entire catalog, everything he's done, uh, number two. And the only reason he didn't get my number one is because my number one got to switch genres on you. Okay, my number one artist of all time, hands down, and then I got another honorable mention, man. I gotta give it to my boy Beanie Seagull. Okay, I'm gonna be able to do that. I can't sleep on beans, man. I gotta give it to my boy Beanie Seagull. Yeah, uh now, Scarface, don't get me wrong. Squarface will be, he's in my top ten. Okay. All right, I was just listening to no problems uh on the uh when I got on the plane. Okay, okay. Uh, don't give me now, Mr. Mr. Scarface. Oh, yeah, come on, man. Walking down your block. Come on, man. Yeah, definitely top 10. Gangster. He's right there with uh Scarface, UGK. Come on, man. We in Texas, too, baby. You gotta be respectful, you know what I'm saying? Uh but my number one artist of all time, period, point blank, hands down, is actually Jerl L'Avert.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Jerry LeVert.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Dang really.

SPEAKER_00 43:55

You gotta go there.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

Jerry Levert is my number one artist. Yeah, like you know, when you when Jerl Lavert passed, I felt it.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

Oh, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Yeah, right. But when I look at that brother's uh ability to convey a message, and I'm I'm from the school, look, man, I get it. Y'all y'all new boys do whatever y'all new boys do, but I'm from the school, man. We love women. You know, yeah. You ain't afraid to say you love a woman. So you know, uh the way he would break it down and and and and and yeah, you know, Joe, he had his he had his freaky joints. Yeah, then he had the joints apologizing like I'm a man, forgive me, I'm sorry. Right? And then he had the joints like uh in my favorite song of his. So my favorite artist and my favorite song is Baby Hold On to me. Okay, right? Because you know, you'd be trying to tell them chicks, hey, you need to mess with me instead of old boy. She's listening, you know, you're 13, get your heart broke. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But uh, yeah, so that'd be my artist.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Switch over to Marvin C's, the bitch get it off.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Man, that's a that's a proper list right there. Yeah, that that's my number. Oh, we could continue, we could have a whole another half hour talking all music stuff. Yeah. So okay. Let's oh, EDC, EDC, then we gotta see where people can find you.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

EDC, which is my EDC is going to be so now I switch up. What people should know, I switch up my EDC about once a year. Now, here's the reason why I do it. I have to. Okay, my job is to educate the public about the guns, right? So I can't educate you on something that I ain't carrying. All right, so if you ask me this question again, January 1, it'll be different. But this year, uh I am carrying a Smith Weston MMP. It's my own design, but a Smith Weston MP 2.0 uh metal. Um and uh No, I ain't even gonna do that. We gotta talk about that before I get to shout out the host company.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Yeah, way out.

SPEAKER_00 45:37

Yeah, yeah. We gotta me and the hosting company might have to have a conversation for that. But I am carrying an A um appendix inside the waistband. Okay, um, I am carrying not one but two sidecars. So um I have two uh mad caddies on me. Um we're at the NRA show, so I won't flag you. What I will show you is over here, you can see one thing that I'm carrying. Oh, yeah. A tourniquet and one of the mad caddies, right? So um, yeah, that's what I rock with. And I always carry um I mean I'll go with inside the gun, man. I'll go with um uh federal HSTs or I might rock out with some carbons. It's normally one of those two. And I got some Fioke. Um I forget the F. I think the Fiyoke is XTPs. I might rock with. But as long as you're carrying hollows, I don't care. Um I don't carry the uh the the the anything that has shrap. No, I try not to carry those just because of um you know liability. Uh and then I carry uh I like to keep a light on me. Um both my phones, tourniquet, the gun.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Oh, we're gonna have to double back on. Oh, yeah, this is gonna be a part two already. I know that.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Tell the people where they can find you.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

All right, Matt. I'm most active on um uh IG, uh, but to find me on IG and to find me on YouTube, it is the same pretty much. It's the real NOC. So for the real uh no other choice on Instagram, it's just uh the real underscore NOC. YouTube and Facebook, just the real NOC. Uh, you can find me there, then the website is no other choice.com, and our uh email is info I N F O at NoOtherChoice.com. Um, and yeah, you can find me over there. We're uh cooking. I would say follow the YouTube. I think um I'm putting out videos, man. I will say that people ain't used to me doing YouTube. I'm consider myself a YouTuber. Yeah, but it I got I got some game over there for y'all. So I think the YouTube channel is um is pretty flat. We got about 16,000 people over there.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

Man, appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Yo, this was a blessing. Uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

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SPEAKER_01 47:39

Yeah, that's it.

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That's it.