Genesis 1 | Part 1 | Episode 49

The beginning of everything starts here.

In this episode of For Heaven’s Sake, Jenny and Kalynn kick off a brand-new series exploring the book of Genesis, beginning with the very first chapter of the Bible. Together, they unpack the creation account and discuss what Genesis 1 reveals about God, His character, His purpose, and His design for the world.

As they walk through each day of creation, Jenny and Kalynn reflect on the power of God’s spoken word, the intentional order found in creation, and the significance of humanity being created in God’s image. Whether you’re studying Genesis for the first time or revisiting a familiar passage, this conversation offers practical insights and encouragement for your faith journey.

Join us as we return to the beginning and discover how the truths found in Genesis continue to shape our understanding of God, ourselves, and the world around us.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

If you don't believe in the supernatural, you're gonna have a very hard time believing what we're fixing to tell you. Yeah. Because it all goes back to faith. You have to believe that this, you have to believe that we got here somehow. Right. You have to choose to believe that what we're telling you is is truth. What God tells us in Genesis is truth. And so I'm gonna start with Genesis 1-1, where it says, In the beginning, God created heaven and earth. That verse declares that all that is seen in the universe and that exists exists because God put it there. He is the source, he is the creator, and we are his handiwork. We're back we're back.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

It's been a hot minute.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

It's been so long. And I still don't know which camera to look at.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

It's okay, we're gonna look right here in the middle. Hi everyone, and welcome back to For Heaven's Sake. I'm Jenny Morgan.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

And I'm Kaylin Jones, and I'm excited to be back. The last time we were together, I wasn't here, so we weren't together. The last time we filmed, I wasn't here because CJ was sick. And then we took a little bit of our lives got crazy. Yeah, super busy. And then we're back. And then we were gonna do, and I think we referenced maybe at some point, like doing Acts next. Yeah. And I started doing a Bible study at our church on Genesis. It's a 12-week study on the first 11 chapters of Genesis, and I didn't have time to study Genesis and Acts. And something else. So I text Jenny and I was like, can we do Genesis 2 and please instead of Acts? So we'll get to Acts one of these days. One of these days. But we're gonna start at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

The very beginning. The very beginning. So, like she said, that she's done this, started this study and and is doing it um with a group of people. And so I told her, like, you lead the way, so she's gonna like, you know, take up the the strong arm of this and do most of the heavy lifting, and then I'm gonna butt in with my thoughts and maybe some other things.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

Okay. We'll see. So at our church, our church was built, I think, on like swamp land, right, Brandon? Give me a thumbs up. Is that right? Like around swamp? Wasn't it a swamp at one point? Wasn't it a swamp at some point? I don't know. I really thought it all is.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

But it's really built up, so probably.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Maybe not. I'm gonna tell for this story's sake. Oak Park was built on a swamp. There's like this church in this beautiful on this beautiful road. It's a beautiful road with beautiful houses and stuff like that. I don't think it was there when the church started getting built. And the church was in the middle of all these trees and all these like which I was not used to. So I'm gonna be all over the place for a second. I'm gonna take you trip Mississippi. We're gonna pause and go to Mississippi. Alright. So Caleb and our church have a softball team. They play Church League softball in Mississippi. And I went to Mississippi to watch him play and cheer them on once. And I wasn't prepared. It's it was in the middle of a swamp. And those mosquitoes, I went to bed that night, and I looked like I was I had the chicken pox. What did you bring? I wasn't I mean, I lived in Sand Mountain, and like we have mosquitoes, but nothing like that. They were you could see bugs everywhere. Like I felt like I was in Shrek. Like frogs. And now where we're at with our camper, the biggest frogs I've ever seen. Does CJ catch them? CJ hasn't tried to catch them. They're and so loud. I was like, I really feel like I could pick one up and blow a balloon like on trek. Like they're so big.

unknown 4:24

Anyways.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

So good. If we went through where I'm getting at with this, is Okay. If we It's got a track somewhere. If we got a backpack out and we packed some snacks in it, and what's your favorite snack? I don't know. You don't know? It's probably something healthy, like apples. No. What's my favorite snack? Something you can't microwave. Not microwave popcorn. Because Jenny don't have a microwave, y'all.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Cookies are probably my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Cookies? Like thing, yeah. You're just saying that because I was making fun of it. No, no, no. I really like cookies. We went to Bucky's yesterday and got cookies. Were they good? You know, my favorite thing at Bucky's is caught up.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Is it a beaver tail?

SPEAKER_00 5:11

I love them. Oh son. Those are so good. If you've never had a beaver tail at Bucky's, you've got to get a beaver tail.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

It looks like a beaver tail. Oh my god, it's so good.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

It's like a it's like somebody made a crescent roll, rolled it out with a rolling pen, dipped it in cinnamon, and then drizzled sugar and um like ice and all of it. Ugh. Delicious. They're so good. Okay, we got a beaver tail. Here's where we're at. Well, we were gonna pack our bag with snacks like cookies and chips, but we got beaver tails now. So we're we're packing our beaver tails. Beaver tails and buckies, beef jerky. Yeah, and our poppy drinks, because that's what you drink, right? Poppies. I don't like poppies. I mean, can I I really like Olipops? Well, I get canceled for saying I don't like poppies. No. Because I like Olipop. I don't like poppy. But they're the same. Out of here with poppy. They're the same. Okay. CJ has two poppies. Because both grandparents were already poppy. So now he's got two poppies. Leland has like three moms.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Brandon's grandmother, his mom, and my grandmother are all moms.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

So there was a I'm all over the place. That's okay. There was at my at my grandparents' house, there was a gopher. Or not a gopher. What's a gopher? It's like a what's like no water what's the animal from uh like that sees its shadow? Happy Gilmore. What is that? Happy Gilmore. It's the thing that sees its shadow. What is that? A hedgehog. No, not a hedgehog. What? Groundhog. A groundhog. Okay, so there's a groundhog at my grandparents' house, and CJ was out there with it one day, was outside, and then he watches this groundhog walk around. He runs in the house and he's like, Yes! There's a wolf outside. So now he calls his grandparents Nana and Poppy and Poppy with the wolf. And he actually calls Nanam Poppy. So he's got Nonam Poppy, Poppy with the Wolf, Poppy with the Wolf, and his wife are the little rascals. Anyways. Little rascals. We got our beaver tail in our back though. Okay, yeah. And we're headed into the swamp with the frogs that you can blow into a balloon. Okay. Okay. And we get in there and we're like two miles in. We've really hyped in that. We've passed a snake. We've had the spirit. We've got our state with our spear stick on it. We're walking through the woods, and in the middle of the woods with nothing else, just trees. There's a computer. Just sitting on a rock. Okay. And me and you start looking at this computer, and it looks beautiful. It's got an apple on the back of it. It lights up. It works. It ha it's connected to the Wi-Fi. It's got keys that are painted. It has it has all the things a computer needs to succeed. And then I said, you know, that computer was grown there over millions of years. One day, a computer just appeared. Would you think I was crazy?

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Okay. Then we walk past the computer. I tell you that computer grew there. We walk past the computer. We keep walking. We pass the frogs. We got our speared snake and our beaver tails. We sit down for a beaver tail picnic in the middle of the forest. And in front of us, yeah. In front of us is this mannequin. And on this mannequin is this beautiful pink dress with yellow polka dots. Okay. And we're like, that's a beautiful dress. It's got ruffles on it. It's beautiful. And I look at you and I say, that dress grew there over the course of millions of years. That mannequin grew there over the course of millions of years. I get where you're going with this. You would say, What? Would you believe me? No. You would say no. Yeah. Okay. That is because when God created you and me and Brandon and everybody that's listening, God put in us the ability to discern a creator. He gave us the ability to recognize handiwork. That's good. He gave us the ability to go that's special. That's different. Somebody put time and effort into that. And when we look at the world God made, we see his handiwork. Psalm 19:1 says, The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands. The work of his hands is the skies, the flowers, you and me, the seas. And if God did nothing else, it proves his existence. It proves that he is who he says he is. When we were at the computer, we did it wasn't just a computer. We didn't just see a computer. Somebody we knew somebody had to put the hardware in it together. The glass that that screen, with that that shiny glass that was holding that screen, that was projected onto that screen. Somebody made that glass. Somebody painted the A on the A key. Somebody kept all of the put all of the intelligence together in the the software that runs it. And somebody put time and effort into that computer. And in the dress, somebody sewed the buttons on. Somebody sewed the ruffles on. Somebody picked the pattern out. Somebody said it's going to be pink. It's going to have yellow polka dots. And it's going to be on this mannequin. The mannequin that somebody built with wood from a tree that somebody picked out to make it from. That is what we look at every day. And the reason why we know God exists is because we know this is special. This world is a special place. And it declares his glory. It declares that he is good and that he did it. Back in December, when we did our Christmas series, we started out with a disclaimer. And we we even said it that it could go on all the series. Well, I've got to throw it in here too. If you don't believe in the supernatural, you're going to have a very hard time believing what we're fixing to tell you.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Because it all goes back to faith. You have to believe that this, you have to believe that we got here somehow. Right. You have to choose to believe that what we're telling you is truth. What God tells us in Genesis is truth. And so I'm going to start with Genesis 1.1, where it says, In the beginning, God created heaven and earth. That verse declares that all that is seen in the universe and that exists exist because God put it there. He is the source, he is the creator, and we are his handiwork. Romans 120 says, For his invisible attributes, namely his eternal powers and divine nature, have been clearly perceived since ever since the creation of the world in the things that have been made. He is saying everything you look at in creation is here and is special because he made it, he put it here, and it is special. And that special thing is called design. We recognize design because he put the ability to recognize design in us as his creatures and as his humans that he made. The problem with other theories, we're gonna call it secular science. Okay. Because and we're gonna call it evolution. But secular science as a whole, because I do believe there are very godly scientists out there. In fact, I'll go ahead and put it plug in here. A lot of what I'm getting all of this series from, what I learned in this series, came from a doctor with a name that I do not remember off the top of my head. It's different, it's a unique name. Um he graduated from the University of Auburn and is currently living in or at the time of the series that he put out, he was living in uh Colorado and he's an arc he's an archaeologist. And he has a ministry called Is Genesis History. So I got a lot of this from that. So there are very godly scientists, and he interviews very godly scientists for all kinds of different scientists from the study of like script um manuscript, the science of studying manuscript, the science of uh he he's he interviews marine biologists, he interviews archaeologic archaeological. This is getting a lot this is getting a little bit wordy here. Okay. I am no doubt. He interviews a lot of different scientists. A lot of different scientists. So there are godly scientists, but in the secular science rim of the world, especially in evolution, the problem is you have to constantly reject what God put in you, which is the ability to recognize design. You have to constantly reject that and say, we know it looks intentional, but it's not. You have you're constantly having to be reminded that we know this looks like it was made, but it's not. We know the dress is pink, but it's actually just pink by happenstance. We know the computer has keys, but really it just has keys by happenstance. We know it looks like somebody put it together, but they really didn't. Okay. Romans 1 18 through uh sorry, Romans 1 18 through 19 says, for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and all unrighteous and and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppresses the truth for what can be known about God is plain to them because God has shown it to them. Secular science will try to explain away design, calling it random or happenstance, and telling us that it came it came to be over the course of millions of years. They will say, I know this looks designed, I know this looks intentional, but it's not. You have to constantly remind yourself that it's not. And what that boils down to is what we touched on just a second ago when we discussed supernaturalness. It's what you're putting your faith into. And we put our faith into the supreme being of God, and they put their faith into something else. And they may not say that it's faith, but they do boil down the creation of the world to something, and most of the time it is something called matter. But the question is, where did matter come from? So they'll tell you that matter just blew up, that matter just happened. To be honest, and this is just Kaylin's opinion here, we have some similarities. Christians have similarities in their belief to what evolution does. Yeah. We they believe that the world just happened. Yeah. That is exactly what we believe. They call it a big bang. I personally believe that probably caused a big bang. Yeah. When God said, let there be, I believe there was a big bang there. Okay. I believe something blew up. I believe it was the thing is, is and and I want to I want to get to this before I move on, but where matter came from is actually answered in Genesis 1.1. Created in Hebrew, so going back to Genesis 1.1 where it says in the beginning God created. In that word created, in Hebrew, that word is bara, and bara means creating something out of absolutely nothing. Okay, so it came from God. Yeah. He created something out of nothing. What blew up was God's word. Okay, so that is where everything came from. The the difference between evolution and Christianity is we can answer the question, where did your start come from? Where did the matter come from? They're like matter just was. And we're like, it came from God. Yeah. Everything that existed, everything that came from God and God's word. The question is, where do you put your faith?

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

What do you believe in? Will you put your faith in God or will you choose to keep looking for a different answer?

SPEAKER_01 18:57

I feel like they like I feel like in general it takes more not more faith, but it takes a I I will say that. I think it takes more faith to believe the the opposite, that it didn't come from him. Like, but like faith in not him, like just faith in your own opinion, to believe that it came from nothing or always was or whatever, than to believe that there was something divine about it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Well, and as time goes on, as time goes on, maybe at one point in time in this world when knowledge hasn't increased to where it is today, I could show you a computer and you go, that's a strange looking flower. Maybe at some point in time, before you ever saw a computer, before you ever, you know, you may I might have said, you know, that grew over a course of time. But as time goes on, and the more we learn about how we work, how our human body works, how organisms work, how the animal kingdom works, how DNA works, the more and more we learn about it, the more and more evolution is being disproven. They're like, no, we know that that doesn't grow like that. We know that that that computer couldn't have possibly grown to work like that. We know that a tree couldn't have possibly a pine tree couldn't have possibly made a a flower. Like like we as we learn more and more about the world that God gave us, it is actually becoming harder and harder not to believe what the Bible says.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Yeah, I think and and I want to add this here, and and you may disagree, and I think that's well, we haven't talked about this at all. Um, but that when you're talking about like this like evolution, like that there just was matter and it evolved over time and now it is what it is. I think that that's different than believing that as as people there we evolve, or that animals themselves evolve to adapt to their surroundings. Like I think those are two different things. Do you agree or disagree?

SPEAKER_00 21:25

You're saying that you think it's you can have separate beliefs that like matter existed and bang the world created and we did not evolve? Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 21:35

No, I'm saying that like that there was like God clearly created the world and then continued to create it and to make all these different things, and we'll talk about that. But then like over and then it can also be true that over time we as people, a society, humans, change over time, which is also like the definition of evolved.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah, I mean, I think we can change. And things can like looking at we're gonna use the word evolution for this, but like the evolution of an iPhone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How an iPhone started or the evolution of a phone in general. Right. How it started as a bag, and then you know, now we've got it didn't even start as a bag, but like, you know, now we've got what we have today. I think that could change, but the fundamental factors of how we work right, exactly. How we work, that didn't change. Right. There are problems with believing we came from monkeys. Oh, 100%, yes. There there wasn't an evolution from once we were a fish, the fish turned into a turtle, the turtle turned into a monkey, and here we are today. And I know if there's an evolutionist out there listening, they're like, that wasn't even what we say. And I'm I'm not quoting you directly, I promise, but there are issues with that belief. Yeah. But I think things can change over the course of time. I think how we live live and operate can change, but I don't think how we came to be.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Yes, yeah, I agree 100%.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

I don't think that one day we can have nine arms. No. Yeah, I don't think that's yeah. I don't think that. Yes, I see where you're at.

unknown 23:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

I just wanted to make that distinction, like you know.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yeah, yeah. That's a good thing. I think it's yeah. So Genesis 1, 2, and 3 says, The Lord was without form and void, and dark was over and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters, and God said, Let there be light, and there was light. In that verse, we are introduced to God and his three parts. We see fully the full nature of God in all in all three in the first three verses of the Bible. So we have in the beginning God, which is God, we have the Spirit of God that was hovering over the waters, and then we have light. And we know, because we have the whole Bible to look at, and not just the first, that the word for light or the word of God going forth is Jesus, who was the word made flesh, who is also the light of the world. So we see God from the very beginning in all three of his in his complete nature. Genesis four says, and God saw that the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness. Light came before the sun, the moon. Uh light came before the sun and the moon, which was sorry, let me let me pull this together right quick. Light came before the sun and the moon, which were created on the fourth day. So in scripture, there are a few places we see where light exists separate from the sun. Okay? So one of those places is the first place that comes to my mind is Exodus. When they are in the the Jews are in Goshen, and Goshen is bright and beautiful. The sun is there. But the the people who are in the middle of the plague, a darkness fell on them that the Bible says could be felt. It was so dark. So that has something to do with God's decision to make it dark there. It is a separate thing from what happened with the sun. Okay. And the other place I think of is in John, where I think it's so funny how he says it. He just says the light failed. So after Jesus was crucified, the sun stopped working. And the only way that John could explain it was the sun failed. The sun just wasn't working. And that is because he's God. And he can do whatever he wants to do. And he has a and it also tells us that our source of light comes from something else separate from the sun. There is light somewhere else separate from the sun. And then in Genesis 1, 6 through 8, God's or the Bible says, and God said, Let there be, and okay, I actually, actually, this is where we're getting to the second day. That was the first day. So I am going to ask you if you want to read this. Because this is a crazy verse. And I want you to hear it because I want everybody to like pay close attention to this verse.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Okay. So verse 6. Then God said, Let there be a space between the waters to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth. And that that is what happened. God made this space to separate the waters of the earth from the waters of the heavens. God called the space sky. And the evening passed and morning came, marking the second day.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Okay, so day one happens, and he creates light and darkness. Okay? Then he says, that's good. Day two starts and he creates what we teach in kids' church, the sky and the waters. Okay? Mm-hmm. That's okay to teach that. But there's actually more of a meaning there. Okay. Then okay, and so this is something when I was teaching this, when I was preparing to teach this for my Wednesday or my Tuesday night class, I was a little bit I believed this prior to really studying this. I had heard this, I had wrapped my mind around this a little bit. I had not gone in the depth that I ended up going into with this theory uh or this belief. But I actually was so I wanted to make sure that I was tecause I was teaching at my church, and it wasn't still I wasn't gonna change my belief based off of what he said, but because I was teaching that as at his church, I wanted to see if my pastor kind of thought that it was okay. Because it was it was a it's a wild, it's a wild thing to wrap your mind around. Okay. But this verse basically is like, well, there's water, and then they separated the water, and then the world was in the water, and the water and the water, and it's like, what does that actually mean? What does that mean? So especially if you get into the creation museum, if you get into that group of people, the people who built the ark in Kentucky, okay, those the brilliant. Have you been? They're really no, I haven't been. But I've met several of them.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

And the guy from uh is Genesis history, they work kind of close to Kevin Hamm and them, but so what some people will teach is that God made light and darkness in the beginning, was God, and you know, he created the light and the darkness, and then we have the world. And what some people teach is this water verse, this word verse about water. God actually took the world and he put us in a water canopy. He surrounded us with a with water, a ball of water all the way around us. Okay, this ball of water would have made it, made the world, it would have given the world like a greenhouse effect. Okay. We would have been 75 and sunny all the time. Okay. Trees, plants, animals, they would have reproduced at a rapid rate. Humans would not have died as quickly because the UV rays from the sun, which it wasn't here that wasn't there yet, but it's coming, and God knew it was coming, wouldn't have reached them, which would have increased their lives span drastically.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

I was I was looking at this whenever we get closer to where we're gonna get later when it talks about the age of some of these people.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Is it connected? No?

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Okay, continue.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Maybe so the the it increases the lifespan of humans drastically. We're surrounded by this water, okay? And I think I'm just gonna stop there. I'm gonna tell you that on the second day, you were created God put us in a water canopy, okay? Okay, and but well, let me just keep going. Okay. I was gonna stop, but I'm gonna keep going. Okay. So we're not in a water canopy today.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Right?

SPEAKER_00 31:05

There's no ball of water around us, and our lifespans are short. So what happened? What do you think happened?

SPEAKER_01 31:17

The sun dried it up.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

You think the sun dried it up? Okay, I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

That's my only rationale.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Okay, that's fair. Okay. Okay, so at this point in time, this is how well, not this point in time, we're on day two. Okay. But when water, when plants and animals come, that's where the the water for the the plants start to that's how the w the plants start getting watered. Because the Bible says that they are watered through a mist. I have it in my notes somewhere and I can't find it. I'll read it to you later, I'm sure. But it's it is a mist that comes up from the ground. Rain didn't fall from the sky. Rain did not fall from the sky, it came up from the ground in a mist form. Okay. So there was no rain. Okay. Okay? There was no rain. When did it start raining? Not till Noah. So we're in a water canopy. We are surrounded by water. The earth is surrounded by water. And it had never rained because the ground is watering the plants, not the sky. Okay. God tells Noah build a boat, gives him brilliant instructions on how to do it. Specific instructions on how to do it. Step-by-step instructions on how to do it. Why? Because there'd been no such thing as a boat. There had been no such thing as water falling from the sky. Because water was coming from the ground. So when he said there's going to be a flood, they say, What is that? Yeah. When they say it's going to rain, he says, What are you talking about? When they Noah got on that boat, Noah's family, and the animals got on the boat, and God closed the door of the ark, he ripped open this water canopy and flooded the earth. That's wild. Yeah. And it took Noah in the story of Noah, and I don't want to get too far in the story of Noah, because I think we may go to Noah eventually, but in the story of Noah, it says like 120 years. It tells them like 120 years is going to pass. And basically what he's saying in that scripture in the story of Noah is like you've got 120 years to decide to get on this boat or not. But what actually ends up happening later on, we see with that that 120 years again, we see that 120 later on again, where people are told you can't live to be more than 120 years old. And it happens because that water canopy's gone. UV rays are hidden, and it doesn't happen instantaneously because it takes a little while to feel the effects. Yeah. And and for the plants to feel the effects and the animals to feel the effects, because everything we eat now feels the effects of the sun's rays. And there's weather like there's never been before. Because remember, we were in a greenhouse effect. Now we've got snow, sleet, hail, what's this stuff? And it's because there was a water canopy around the world that was ripped open because of the people's wickedness in the days of Noah. That's wild. And then the Bible says in Revelation that, like the days of Noah, we're gonna return back to that wickedness. That was a rabbit trail. Anyhow, that's day two. Did you know that? I didn't know that. Uh-huh. Anyways.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

I had read some other stuff that like can like said that their livelihoods contributed to that, that the like harshness of the UV was not as much, but I didn't get the part of it.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

Well, and so the harshness of the UV, but also like their sin for lack of a better term, evolved too. So especially you think of illnesses that had well at this point in time never. But later, as sin progressed, or some illnesses did. You think of think of illnesses just attached to sexual sins. Well, we're not at sexual sin yet. But when sexual sin hits in the lineage of Cain, you start getting sexually transmitted diseases. And then you have, you know, it just goes, it just unravels too.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

Not here yet. I feel like we're gonna we're gonna keep jumping, and I think that's fine. Um that you see that we go from the sin of like disobedience to the sin of murder in one generation. So I mean, can you imagine the like way that sin then multiplies on itself? Um and then punishment also multiplies on itself.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

So And then on day three, God made the the sun um sorry, he's made the sun er sorry, y'all. Day three, he made the plants and the trees. Genesis 1 9 says, Let the earth sprout vegetation. Plants yield plants yielding seed and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed. So God creates plants and seed. Um, and but the plants came first. So, like we ask the question sometimes, like what came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, the chicken. What came first? The the tree or the apple? The tree. God made things, and that's another thing when it comes to dating, which we're gonna really get into if we ever get into Noah, on like how the world is dated, because the flood is a tremendous factor in the the earth's apparent age. Um, but also God created things in its adult form. We see it in Adam. He didn't make a baby Adam, yeah, he made a man Adam. Yeah, and we see here in trees, he didn't make an apple, he made he didn't make the seed. I mean, he made the seed, but he he made the tree that bore the seed. Yeah, he made the the woman that bore the seed. So we see in the adult form things being made. So when we look at like age in the world too, just separate from the flood, which aged the world incredibly, but even if the flood hadn't happened, you can't get really an accurate age of the world by aging like a the the planet because God was making things in their adult form. Yeah. And also now we're in this water canopy, so trees are popping up all over the place really, really quick, and apples are all over the place really, really quick, and bananas.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Okay, so there's like two like ways of thought, like whether or not they were seven actual days or like a long period of time that we consider a day, which of your opinion of.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

So I'm glad you said that because I am gonna talk about that. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, it may not have been in this episode, but we could do it now. So some people choose to believe that the first eleven chapters of Genesis is poetic, is a um, it's not meant to be taken literally. There are problems with that. Okay, one of the problems is most of the time people who say that it's not supposed to be taken literally are trying to fit in something like a dinosaur. Like dinosaurs came first. We see, you know, dinosaurs. You I wanted to talk to you about dinosaurs. You want to talk to me about dinosaurs? Not yet. But we're getting there. Okay, and we can just be all over this, okay? We will come. You may have a Genesis 1 part two. Okay. We may just be all over Genesis. I don't know. Okay, so the problem is, the problem with that belief, for one, I believe the Bible should be taken literally.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

I do. I don't think it changed.

SPEAKER_02 39:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:39

Okay. The other the that's just me saying that. But if you want evidence, the biggest thing about that theory is most of the time they're trying to justify there were things here first. Animal, there were dinosaurs here first, before humans walked the earth, and death could not happen before sin. So if we're trying to say, well, a day represented 10,000 years, and dinosaurs actually roamed for, and I'm just using dinosaurs as an example, but dinosaurs actually roamed for 5,000 years before humans came along, and that's why, you know, that we never actually lived on earth with dinosaurs, and that cannot be the case because death could not happen before sin. Death was not a part of God's original plan and order. Right. Okay, so if so if we're saying that if we're trying to date something to say that we weren't here you can't do it. If that we weren't here for something, you can't do it. Yeah. What's your where are you why are you asking?

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Because I think because the inscription says a thousand years is a day, day is you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 41:05

In the kingdom of heaven.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

So like if so Genesis is written by Moses, who sees this in what I believe to be the vision when he shows him the former things.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

The harder part. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

That it is the longer spans of time. Than a then what we know as a day.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

I just think it's it's a day. Twenty-four hours, yeah. And because most of the time people are trying to fit it into their own reasoning. Yeah. I was just curious. I really want to find my nose. And then I feel like I no, I feel like I have more on that somewhere. But I don't know where it would be. And what were you gonna ask me about dinosaurs? We're not there yet. Okay. We're not gonna get to dinosaurs in Genesis 1. Dinosaurs are in Job. 40.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

I think they're on the fifth day.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Huh?

SPEAKER_01 42:22

I think they're on the fifth day.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

You think they're on the fifth day?

SPEAKER_01 42:26

We should have had a conversation before we did.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Oh, sea creatures.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

And birds.

SPEAKER_00 42:35

Birds and sea creatures.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

You think I think they're dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

You think they're dragons?

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Me too. I just think that there is biblical evidence of dragons. I think that there is historical evidence of dragons.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

This is about to be a conspiracy podcast.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think there's biblical evidence of dragons. I think there's historical evidence of dragons.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

So I think that in I had a conversation with somebody that the other day that some of the things that we see as dinosaurs are dragons.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Let me go to Nova real quick. I can't. What are we at? What Brandon's holding fingers up. Yeah. I think he's saying we have 45 more minutes.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

No, he's saying we're at 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Let's do it. Do we want to stop here and continue?

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Yeah, let's do let's do a different, let's do uh we're gonna do part two.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Yeah, lions and dragons and bears. Oh my. Tune back next week.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Yeah, it'll be a good time. We'll see what do we have to say. Bye.