#63 - THE PRESIDENTS PROJECT: GEORGE WASHINGTON

In the first episode of The Presidents Project, Tim and Mike kick off the series by diving into the life and legacy of George Washington, the man who helped shape the foundation of the United States. They explore the well-known stories—like leading the Continental Army and becoming the first president—while also uncovering lesser-known facts, controversies, and human details that don’t make it into most history books. 

The conversation moves beyond textbook history into a deeper discussion about leadership, character, and the incredible weight Washington carried while building a brand-new nation. From his decision to step down instead of becoming king, to the myths about his teeth, his personal struggles, and the difficult moral realities of his time, Tim and Mike reflect on how Washington’s choices still impact America today. 

It’s equal parts educational, funny, and honest—setting the stage for a full series exploring all 47 U.S. presidents.

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Transcript

Tim 0:00

Whenever you're ready, you tell me. I'm always ready. You sure. I don't know if I believe you. What is the first thing that you think of when you think of George Washington?

SPEAKER_02 0:39

The easy answer is the dollar bill, but it's really dentures. It's teeth. Well, no, you only know that because I gave you the I did now. That's one of the first things that I remember learning. Well, that's they were made like they were made of human bone.

Tim 0:55

Well, back when we were young, they taught us in school that he had wooden teeth.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Yeah.

Tim 1:02

So, but I was thinking more along the lines of like when I say, What's the first thing you think about when you think of George Washington? You would think, you know, the dollar bill's probably fine, but America. America. I mean, you think about America.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yeah. Crossing the Delaware River.

Tim 1:19

Crossing the Delaware, Delaware River.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Yeah.

Tim 1:22

George Washington did many a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Did he was he did he show up in Bill and Head's Excellent Adventure?

Tim 1:28

I don't think it was only Abraham Lincoln. Okay, fair. That would have been awesome if he was. So we're talking about George Washington today. We've talked about doing the this podcast series, and naturally we're going to start with the OG. G dub. So I was reading through some of these notes, and I found a lot of it very interesting. So for the listeners, what we're going to do is we're doing the presidents. We're going to do all 47 of them. And well, I somebody will say, there's not really 40s. I know. There's always that much. I know. Save your save your comments. Save your comments. We're going to go through them. But I wanted to do things that were known about the presidents, things that were not, you know, lesser known things about the president, and then kind of like scandalous things. Oh, fun. And then messed up things.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

That can get that'll get really interesting later down the road into the 30s and 40s.

Tim 2:30

Yeah, I know. But I was driving home from work earlier and I was thinking to myself, I want to set the scene for you. Because I've been thinking about this a lot. And I just had a realization, not today. I had this realization a few weeks ago that I'm an idiot. I've had many realizations that I'm an idiot, but I'm specifically an idiot because back then in the 1700s or 1800s or 1900s, you know, any of the time, in my mind, everything looked like the pictures that you see. Sure. So it looks like not just not like the actual how bad the pictures are because of the technology. Sure, sure. And so I was driving home from work today and I was thinking to myself, I was like, things don't really things look like they look now, you know? Yeah. George Washington.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

From your eye from your eyes' perspective.

Tim 3:26

From your eyes perspective. So George Washington is just as real as me and you sitting here talking with each other.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

100%. Isn't that not the coolest part that actually we know all about this just from letters and stuff that have been found?

Tim 3:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

You know, of people's journals or letters that were sent back from you know people in the war.

Tim 3:46

And you can kind of rebuild history from all of that. Yeah. And it's interesting because we always try to go back further and further and further. When you think about it, it's like this is actually pretty recent, all of this stuff. And so, you know, I read through this. I feel like I had a good understanding of, you know, George Washington and all that. And there's a lot of stuff in here that that we all know, but there's also a lot of stuff in here that I had no idea.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

I think we'll be both be pleasantly surprised how much we don't really know. Yeah. Because they don't put a lot of this cool stuff in in history books.

Tim 4:21

Well, I'm also gonna put my ignorance on display for everyone to see because even I consider myself a history buff, but like I'm really bad. And if you if if anybody's listened to like all 60 something of these episodes, you'll see like my timelines of things is really bad. The other day was like five years ago, or or like, hey Nikki, you remember when we did this thing 20 years ago that I said was the other day? So that's how, because I'm looking like right now, I'm looking at the computer screen and it says the first president of the United States from 1789 to 1797. And then in my mind, I'm thinking, well, the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776. Right. So what happened in all of that time? Well, I mean, I guess I know all of the things that were happening, but I felt dumb because like in my in my dumb mind, I'm like, okay, well, we became a nation, and then immediately, or we declared our independence, and then like George Washington was immediately president. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

And so had to fight the Redcoats. Uh, you know, what's interesting here, not to get sidetracked, but I don't I don't know if you just saw the story about the in downtown Lebanon at the roundabout, going through town, there's an old cabin that they're talking about maybe moving or demolishing. But I saw in the news last night it was built in 1801, which is what, five, four years after, you know, old G Dub was pres.

Tim 5:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

So that we've got that kind of history sitting in our backyard.

Tim 5:59

I know. And when we get to Andrew Jackson, I'm excited about that one for us because we're here local in in Nashville. And I've been, Nikki and I have gone to the Hermitage twice in the past few months, and it's just like it's crazy to see all of the history and all the things that are just right there in front of us. And how do we preserve that stuff? It's even like when you look and you see that they're finding like Bible scrolls and all that kind of stuff. It's like, how's that stuff like make it through? Right. All of the things. I mean, think about you know, all of the stuff that happens, like if there's a tornado or a fire or any of these things, floods. Yeah, yeah. All of these things that have happened over the years, and and here we here we are, still with everything.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Well, one of the uh one when we get to Andrew, Mr. Jackson, if you're nasty, um we should do a little uh go out to the Hermitage. Yeah, or go down to uh Old Town, which is off of Old Natchez down by me. And you can actually see a bridge, a stone bridge that the uh that he used to get across the uh Harpeth River.

Tim 7:04

Yeah, that's awesome. We need to do it. And it's preserved. It'll be the Fairview Social on the road. I love that. All right, so the things that the people know about George Washington is obviously he was the first president of the United States, and he was the commander of the Continental Army. Yeah. And he won the Revolutionary War, and he refused to become king and resigning power. And so I want to stop on that one for a second because if you think about this, he was an honored, you know, commander and all that kind of stuff, and the people loved him. He got elected twice, yeah, like unanimously.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Well, was he was he a what did he get? Do you say he got elected? Two two wait, let me go back. Did he cross the Delaware or the Potomac? I don't know. I'll follow up with that. Follow up with that.

Tim 8:07

But everybody wanted to make him king, and he was like, nah, you know, because then we're just getting right back into you know what we're trying to get away from. That's right. And so I thought it was pretty cool that you know he he could have all of this power, but he, you know, he declined it.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Yeah.

Tim 8:27

And kind of set the set the stage of how the country's running, which the next one here on the list is setting the two-term precedent. Because, you know, he chose not to run again in 1796, stepping down in 1797, and it wasn't required by law.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

That's interesting.

Tim 8:44

And it says that his example shaped Americ American political culture for generations. And then if you move on down, here's a crossing of the Delaware right here in Trenton in 1776. He's known for that. His farewell address was in 1796, and I wanted to pause on this one because it says that Washington's farewell address was published in 1796 as he prepared to retire. It warned against intense party faction, regional rivalry, rivalry, and permanent foreign entanglements that could pull the U.S. into Europe's wars. Here we are. Foreshadowing doing all of those things.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

That's a that's amazing. Maybe we learned about that growing up, but that to me is I did I did not know any of that.

Tim 9:39

Yeah, I know. When I was reading through this, I was like, you know what? Even George Washington warned us. Yeah. Warned every hey, we need to mind our business. Holy smokes. We need to mind our business. And so I think that it's it's really um it's it's really cool to see this. That the sentence above that says the address reflected his frustration watching his own administration fracture, especially through the Hamilton-Jefferson rivalry.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

Yeah.

Tim 10:06

Washington wanted national unity, but saw politics hardening into camps. I mean, it's hardened now more than it ever has. Sure. In 2026, here.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Wow, that's amazing. I did not know that.

Tim 10:21

So the next one, Mountain Vern, Mount Vernon, which I do I think that I'm gonna go there this spring. I think I'm gonna go there. Oh, really? I think I'm gonna go there. Drive? I'm gonna probably probably drive. I may fly, but I'm thinking I'm gonna go visit it because I was gonna do it in the winter, but I decided that I want to wait till spring so everything's in bloom. Sure. All the cherry trees and everything that are out there. It'd be really nice.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

Oh, that's amazing. It's Virginia, right? Mount Mount Vernon, Virginia. Yep. So you could do the drive and see some Civil War sites and tie it to some of the president's, you know, later grant and all that stuff down the road.

Tim 11:01

I need to look at it and see if um, you know, any other presidents are connected to any of that, which I'm sure they are. I mean, it's Virginia.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

You know, we were up in uh coming back from Lexington yesterday, and I didn't realize because you think I thought Illinois for not again, not to get sidetracked, and I'm probably not doing this very much justice. Now, man, sidetracked. I didn't know Abe Lincoln was born in Kentucky.

Tim 11:28

Oh, I didn't know that either.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Yeah. So as I've been kind of knowing you were gonna be doing these and going through the presidents, um, we've got a lot of that history within a couple state radius of join me in my ignorance. Yeah, because I had no idea. No, sure. Sure. I mean, it wasn't always you learn about the Revolutionary War, but I don't know much.

Tim 11:50

I should. Well, you just learn all the dumb things like George Washington chopped down the cherry tree. What they can put in a book, right? He had wooden teeth. Yeah, it's like all these child's tales, which you later find out that are not necessarily true. All right, so Mount Vernon. And then uh Washington on the currency, which I think that, like you said, the dollar bill. Everybody knows George Washington on there.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Is he on any any coins?

Tim 12:17

Yeah, he's on the quarter.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

On the quarter, yeah.

Tim 12:20

So he got the quarter and the dollar bill. Yeah, you know what's funny is like I don't know that this is funny, but like I couldn't even pull out a dollar bill to look at it. I don't think I've had cash in my hand in years. No, and so like all that's going away.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Here's another is he now the only president on a coin and a dollar bill? On a bill? No, because the penny is going by the way.

Tim 12:42

The penny's gone. I officially retired the penny.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Right.

Tim 12:46

And then Jefferson's on the nickel.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

Yeah, and a ten dollar.

Tim 12:50

Yeah. Yeah, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

That's all right.

Tim 12:52

Hey, we're just spitballing. Hey, man, we're learning. All right, so those are the things that he's most known about. And so some of the lesser known things, which I when I read this, I was like, huh, I had no idea. He never lived in the White House. And the reason that he never lived in the White House is because he died in 1799, and the White House was not ready for occupancy until 1800.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

So he didn't, so he lived on in Mount Vernon for his presidency.

Tim 13:26

I believe so. Some history buff might get on here and yell at us. But I am assuming so. Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

No, so when was the when was the White House built? 1800s?

Tim 13:37

Yeah. R 1800 exactly.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

No way.

Tim 13:40

So the notes here say he defined the presidency, but never got to live in the president's house.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Did he help with the architecture and in the construction of it? I don't know. And molding what it is now? I don't know.

Tim 13:53

Possibly.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Wow.

Tim 13:55

We are we are you you literally see how much you don't know when you're looking at this. Man. So he disliked public speaking and formal performance. I did know that. I wanted to talk on this. He says that he was not a natural showman and that he relied on written messages and carefully controlled appearances rather than constant public speeches.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Sure.

Tim 14:18

Which I find really interesting because, you know, if you're looking at people's personalities, you know, there's like the A personality, B, C, A is like going there and get them. Yeah, you know, just do whatever, not, you know, very little thinking on it. And then like he's probably more like a C personality because he's trying to think it all through. Right. He's trying to figure it out. He doesn't want to look stupid.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

I think that goes to his military background, which I always understood is why he was nominated for lack of a better word to become the president because he was so operational-minded and he had all the other, you know, Thomas Jefferson, all those people behind him that were vocal, yeah, were educated a little bit more and were writing these documents that formed and and shaped the nation. They needed somebody to get them military-wise out of you know, the control of what uh England and and uh was was trying to do. That's why he did not want to do the uh become a crit uh a king.

Tim 15:20

That's what's that's what's interesting about it is that you know you you have all types of people in the situation, and he's kind of like just the regular old farmer guy that's like common sense, winning winning battles and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Would that someone like that in nowadays world work as a president?

Tim 15:39

I think that it yes, I think the people would vote for it, but it would be destroyed by all of the other politicians. Right. You know, most of the politicians go to Washington, D.C. to make a difference.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Sure.

Tim 15:50

And then, you know, nine times out of ten, and I'm not saying this on all of them, but most of them get roped into the, you know, cutting deals with vote for this, and I'll give you the, you know, doing all that kind of nonsense. And you can see the ones today that are, you know, kind of against the grain and and don't fall into it, whether I agree with them politically or not. Yeah. You know, but there's a lot of people that are against the grain on it.

SPEAKER_02 16:14

I I just don't see an individual like this, like his character in today's time, would never be in a position like this.

Tim 16:23

Yeah. Well, when you read further in here, like this next one here, he was intensely focused on etiquette and dignity. So Washington believed that the president the presidency needed visible dignity to command respect domestically and internationally. He studied rules of civility, posture, and formal interaction. And so if you equate that to today's times, it's funny because it's like different sides of the political world will look at this differently because you can say that's a lot like how Trump is doing now because he's showing, you know, he's in charge, he's forced, hey, we're powerful, we're strong, whatever else. But then you can also look at it like, well, Washington's saying that, like, hey, we don't need to be a bunch of assholes, we need to be nice, and you know, Trump takes it too far from time to time. Sure. And so you kind of look at look at all that. It says he develops ceremonial routines, receptions, structured introductions, controlled access, not because he wanted to be king, right, but because he feared the office would be dismissed as weak. And I feel like Trump doesn't want the office to be feared as weak. Not political on this podcast, but some would say that past administrations looked weak, you know, appeared weak to the rest of the world.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Well, when there's so much threat of nuclear I mean, we the the world could be over with a push of a button, but you have to show a little bit of toughness.

Tim 17:52

Well, it's good, you gotta kind of have the attitude. It's so weird though, if you you even think about like just being very strategic in how you're presenting yourself and the words that you say and and things like that. It's like you have to do you can't really mess up.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Yeah.

Tim 18:09

You know, it's like obviously it was different in those times than it is now because, like you said, it's like nuclear threat now. You know, you don't want anybody kind of stomping around on us and making it make making these other countries around the world think that they can just do whatever.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Well, he you know, seems like Washington was molded on what he saw uh his adversaries who he was fighting against. It was very structured. There was, you know, the chain of command was, you know, what you followed. I mean, the the fact that they lined up across from each other and you know, someone took the first step and walked in, you know, they respected who they were f battling.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

You know, Ultimate was trying to take over, but you know, there was a lot of respect, which I see that this is what he was molding himself or wanting to mold, you know, the states about. Um, so I mean, all this kind of makes a lot of sense of who he was, who he saw he was fighting against.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

And knew that it worked because we're in pretty new, you know, country compared to what we were fighting against.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

There's a lot of history that predates 1776.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

I mean, think of old Chris Columbus coming over in the 1400s. I mean, we're a pretty still pretty new, you know, country.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

So you have to do you have to maybe look back at what has what has allowed his adversaries to to be around for so long.

Tim 19:41

This will probably make more sense when we get a little bit deeper into this, but when I was reading through this, I I felt like, you know, uh trying to compare compare George Washington to some like someone that's weighty now, like someone that's got, you know, I mean, as big as George Washington, which I'm not saying that this person is, but when I'm reading about him, it kind of reminds me of like Steve Jobs, to where like this next one says the private letters show frustration and sharp criticism. So Washington's correspondence reveals a leader who often felt surrounded by incompetent incompetence and disloyalty. He complained about supply failure, political infighting, and the unreliability of militia systems. It's like, you know, you always heard that Steve Jobs kind of ruled with an iron fist of everything, and he wanted things a specific way, and then people were just talking bad about him behind his back, and the people that are working for him are doing all that. So it just kind of gives me the Steve Jobs vibe.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

But when you believe in what you believe in, yeah, and and look what's happened, both were very successful. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You don't care what other people think. If you've got your your mission and your goals of how you want something to be, you're gonna be able to deal with that stuff and persevere.

Tim 21:00

On this next one, he had no biological children, which I thought was I thought was interesting because um the last line in that says the this fact dovetails with the anti-monarchy instincts and his willingness to step away from office. The Republic couldn't become a family brand. And if you look at it now, like all of the presidents over the years, it's like a family brand. You got the Bushes and you got the Clintons, and you got, you know, like it could be the Trumps, you know, and obviously some more back in the past that I don't know yet. But when we get to those episodes, we'll know of the family.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

That was that was the fact when I asked ChatGPT to kind of give me something that someone may not recognize about um George Washington was that he didn't have any kids.

Tim 21:48

Yeah. I want to say that Andrew Jackson didn't have any kids of his own. He was he was married into Rachel Donaldson's kids, but I don't think he had any biological. Maybe he did.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

I I don't know. That that will be a fascinating one to s to understand what his relationship was with his slaves and and what came of that.

Tim 22:10

Um could you imagine though, like if you're like, hey, I'm George Washington's great great great great great great grand grandson or whatever? That'd be kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

That'd be amazing.

Tim 22:20

But just as it ha as it had so happened, was not.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

Was it something you you mentioned it, but I mean, did did Martha? We should have done a little deep dive on Martha too. Did I wonder if she wanted to have kids or couldn't have kids, but knew that he was gone for so long.

Tim 22:38

Yeah. We'd have to look into that. I should have looked that up to see if they were unable to have kids or what.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

I think here's what I think we do with this with this segment, because I think this is gonna be spectacular. And it's and it's something I think need to be done. But maybe the first epit if the first of start of the next episode as we go back and fill in the blanks.

Tim 22:59

Yeah, that's fine. You know, we can do that.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

As we know, because I I think we're both learning something. People are gonna learn some things here too.

Tim 23:06

Yeah, I'm learning it as I'm looking at it on the computer screen as we speak. All right, so he took security seriously in an unstable air era. And so I'm thinking, like, can you imagine back then how unstable they felt? Imagine it now. I mean, good lord. It's like you people can't even go walk down the street, you know. And I only know this because Hayden had to deal with the Secret Service stuff when he was in New York, like just the restaurant, just the amount of things that go into like sweeping a place before a president or uh, you know, somebody big and important goes through there.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Yeah.

Tim 23:49

And so it says um it says this is funny because it says early American politics could be volatile. Protests, regional distress, and threats against federal authority were common. Washington understood that this person had symbolic value and was a potential target. Well, yeah, even it's even worse now.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

No, for sure. Why but you know, I wonder what this security is. I mean, you you're you know where you're gonna go. Is it sending troops ahead to make sure that militias aren't coming after you?

Tim 24:20

Probably, because it's not like they can just now, it's like they grab their phone or you got your radios and everything else. It's like they write a letter, they're like sure.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

But think of, I mean, think of getting from here to Nashville.

Tim 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

On horseback.

Tim 24:38

It may take a fortnight.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

May take a fortnight. Going down old Charlotte Road, which was like I think the main road back in uh you know, back in in in the 1800s to get downtown. I mean, there's so many places to hide.

Tim 24:52

Yeah. Oh yeah, because it's all like it's not like all developed like it is now.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

That that this the security thing is is fascinating because you'd have to have so much in and around forward, sideways, backwards, uh, just to keep you f somewhat safe. And how is he traveling? Is he traveling on horseback himself or is he in a carriage? Is he in, you know?

Tim 25:17

I don't know, but if you think about it, like I was thinking to myself, I'm like, well, it feels like the moral compass was a little bit more in line back then. And as I'm thinking that, then I'm thinking, no, because everything like we see things now, we're like, I can't believe that this happened.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Yeah.

Tim 25:33

Like in politics, or you see like an ad that a politician says against another one. This stuff was has been going on for years and years and years. There should be nothing that's shocking here, right? And so I think to myself, well, people, and this may or may not be true. It could be like, you know, people generally are like, hey, that's the president of the United States, you know, you can't do, you know, you can't do anything to him. Right, you know, and so people don't do that. No, there's probably some crazies out there, but is there more crazies now than there were then?

SPEAKER_02 26:06

I mean, I think I I I think in in the grand scheme of things, I think it's similar. I mean, you're dealing with going into new areas, you've got the Indians, yeah, you know, who are who are gonna be your adversaries, militias that may not like you, you know, they don't want to deal with it, they're not unsure. So it's it's it's relevant probably to the times.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

You know, now you there's there's satellites that can watch what's going on, there's there's radio traffic, there's internet traffic. But I mean, here I mean it's you you don't know what you're gonna get.

Tim 26:44

But even if even a few even if 10, 20, 30 years ago, it's like the the political parties weren't as divided as they are now, and people are so clinging on to their idea enough that they would kill somebody for that, you know. It's like I just don't remember that stuff happening. Of course, it probab probably did, but I don't know. It seems like I'm I don't know, I'm just picturing Washington, you know, on his horseback. He's probably got a few guys with him, yeah. That's his security detail in the canoe. And he's just walking, you know, what the horses walking him down the road, he's riding it down the road, and like, you know, he may come upon a house or something. Yeah, and you wave at him. It's like, hey, there's G Dub. It's like you could like that would never happen now. That pre a modern president would never be just driving down the road.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Remember when they did the uh the the debate gosh a couple years ago at Belmont. Yeah, and they were coming up West End and they blocked off like three or four blocks around, so you couldn't get to them. So, I mean, sitting up on bluffs to have Indians looking down you may not even know they're there. Yeah, or you're on a canoe running down the Harpeth River, and they're behind you.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

They're popping off arrows and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Sure. Sure. There is gotta be a massive threat. That's a that's a good one to bring up.

Tim 28:10

Yeah. All right, so then he this is one I want to talk about a little bit too. We talked about a little bit a second ago, but he hated party faction and watched it form anyway. So it says um Washington wanted unity, but the issues were fundamental. Debt policy, the national bank, foreign alignment with Britain and France, and the meaning of the constitution itself. I mean, this this stuff is exactly what's going on right now. All of these exact same things. Fascinating. And I don't know. Do you think that the founders, when they founded the country, that I mean, they knew that humans are humans and they're gonna try to pull one over on, and so they set our constitution up in a way that like there's checks and balances. But it's like here we are 250 years in and it's still growing. Yeah, you know. Think about how great of a document that was. I know.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

I mean, we're celebrating, you know, 250 years this this July. I mean, that document is still what we base everything off of.

Tim 29:11

I know, and it's just it really disappoints me because you know, bad things have to happen for this country to unite. And it used to not be like that. No, it's like you could go and I could if you're a Democrat and I'm a Republican or vice versa, and we have a heated argument about something, it's like back even 15, 20 years ago, we could have a heated debate, yeah, and then we'd be like, oh, let's go get a beer. Now it's just like I don't like you.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

No, sure. You're not in my tribe. Right. It's just like this, you know, brothers and you know shooting or their or stabbing their other brother, you know, brother because they uh disagreed in what they think. A lot of families now don't talk to each other because one thinks that they're uh their their views are right and their the other one doesn't. I mean, I know a number of people like that.

Tim 29:58

Who cares? That's the whole the whole point of how the constitution was set up is to it's like it's pulling this way and then it's pulling that way. It's like it's and sometimes the pendulum swings way too far to the right and sometimes way too far to the left, but the people are the ones that bring it all back centered. Sometimes it's center left, sometimes it's center right, but it's the people that pull everything back together. Sure. And it's funny because here we are talking 250 years ago, where Washington's saying, hey, we don't need to fall into these things. Yeah. And here we are, knee deep in it.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Smart people to know that 250 years later, and then probably the same thing 250 years later from now, you know, hopefully this document is still still around.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

But man, it just it just expresses how wonderful of a document was. That can you imagine the conversations around this? Oh, yeah. Sitting in Washington writing this stuff, knowing that this is really how a country is going to be formed. Yeah. And run for it's crazy.

Tim 31:06

The thing is, is it's always been considered an experiment. And it's still the American experiment. Sure. And it's like it's not guaranteed. All of this is a house of cards. Yeah. Every single bit of it. I was thinking about that today, that everything could fall apart in a second. Yeah. It's like you get the wrong president. Again, whatever your political affiliation is, every president that we've had, no matter Democratic or Republican or whatever they are, it's like they were there at that time for a reason. They're meant to be. It's meant to be every every single time. Sure. It's like, how does this not just fall apart? Think about the technology that not I mean, you're putting your mind back in the 17, 1800s. Now, just look at how much we've boomed with technology in that amount of time. Or hell, even in the past five years, yeah, 10 years. And we're still maintaining this. Yeah. Now, people are always trying to go around and like, you know, try to, well, does it really? You know, they're trying to bend the bend the rules, but I mean right to bear arms and yeah, there's always freedom of speech. All of those things are always like right there on the front lines. But the thing is, is no matter what happens, it's like we're still rolling along. It's a democracy at the end. We're rolling along. Yeah. All right. So now we get into the scandals. Scandals and controversies. George Washington, everybody listen up. He owned hundreds of enslaved people. I want to pause, and this might not be a popular thing to talk about, but when we were growing up and we heard that that when we were talking about this, they were called slaves. And I first noticed this when we went to the um the Hermitage, Andrew Jackson's home, they kept saying enslaved people. Enslaved. Is this the politically correct way to say that? I think it is. I mean, I'm not trying to be offensive one way or the other. No, sure. No matter what, it sucks and it's wrong. Right. No, I think it is enslaved. Yeah. Not slaved. I mean, I think that the Well, enslaved is they're being held against their will. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Hundreds of enslaved people. But that was, I mean, unfortunately, that was the part of the world back then.

Tim 33:23

Yeah. Well, that's the thing, is like they didn't Yes, when we look at it in retrospect, I couldn't imagine being a slave enslaved to somebody. No. And I hate that any of the people were enslaved to anybody. But like, I don't, there is no but. I can't imagine like, did do all of these people back in the past that owned slaves and everything else, were they just like, well, this is just what my parents did before me? I mean, was that the mentality on it?

SPEAKER_02 33:51

I mean, I think it was just it was it, it took another strong leader, you know, a hundred years later, you know, 90 years later, to realize that this is not the right way to go about it.

Tim 34:03

Well, this is this is a really dumb comparison. And I'm only thinking of this because I can't think of a better one, but this is an example. You know, back 10, 15 years ago, you go to a restaurant and there's a smoking section in the non-smoking section. And it's like if you were a non-smoker, you were just like, Oh, I want to sit in the non-smoking section, right? Knowing that all that smoke's blowing over in it. But like, is it just because you just don't think of it? You just don't, that was just how it was. They used to smoke on planes, they used to do all that kind of stuff, and it's like, I don't I don't I don't know that there was anybody that was standing up being like, this is unacceptable. And I don't, you know.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

I mean, every car when we were growing up had the lighter, yeah, the push lighter in it with the ashtray. Yeah, and that goes away. Yeah. Right. It it was probably just how just the norm, I guess. It was the norm, right? It starts with the Indians and and when we were moving into this world, and it just it as it went down the road year after year, it and again, it as we progressed as people and understood human decency, then that went away. But there's still a lot of religions that and countries that still kind of run with this.

Tim 35:15

Yeah. The net the it says, and remember, this is scandals and controversies. It says he arranged rotations of enslaved workers to avoid legal emancipation triggers and support efforts to recapture people who escape who escape using networks of contacts and legal mechanisms. This is a concrete example of federal leadership intersecting with private economic interests, good material for modern comparisons about power and protecting property.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Yeah.

Tim 35:46

I mean, that kind of stuff goes on now. I mean, obviously not with people, but no. Hell, maybe it is with people. No, now it's well, trafficking and all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. That's a very good point.

Tim 36:02

All right, so brutal discipline in the Continental Army, which, you know, that's what this is why I was kind of making the Steve Jobs comparison earlier, because like he's the kind of guy that wasn't putting up with any shit. He's a guy that's coming in here and being like, no, this is how we're doing this. And it it's pretty hardcore. I didn't really belie I didn't really know this, but Washington believes strict discipline was necessary to keep the force intact, even when conditions were miserable, which I get that. You got to have a leader that's one of the guys really, oh no, I don't want to do it. And he's like, Oh, let's go do this. But but punishments could include flogging, branding, and execution. The goal was deterrence and cohesion, co cohesion rather than mercy.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Yeah.

Tim 36:47

So he's like hardcore.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

He had to be.

Tim 36:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

You're sitting out in the middle of December and you're in a tent, and you're gonna go fight the red coats. And if you're not if you're not on board, he he knew his goal. He had a goal in mind. Yeah, he knew how he had to keep people in line. Yeah, it stinks. Nowadays, everybody's too sensitive.

Tim 37:09

And no, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

You can't do that stuff.

Tim 37:13

Yeah, the thing is though, is you even have to watch what you say in this type of situation, but it's not like you're saying, no, you need to beat the hell out of somebody for something, you do it. No, I mean, you're not saying just go out higglety pigglety beating people up.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

No, no, but you have to set an example back here where there was so many views and there was there was no uh order.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

You're asking militias to come together, you're asking groups of people to come together to fight for a cause. You're gonna have those leaders in those militias that are think they're smarter than the other person. Yeah. If you want to bring them all together, you have to set an example.

Tim 37:55

Here's the here's a good one. This one makes me think that Trump he's or Trump is like him in this aspect. Washington believed the presidency needed a level of ceremony to command respect, particularly from foreign diplomats accustomed to monarchies and aristocratic courts. He hosted formal dinners and structured receptions, which critics sometimes uh framed as elitist or in the elitist in spirit. So it's like putting the party on, man. Sure. You gotta throw a good party. I'm the man. I'm the man. I want the I'm the man.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

I want you to know about it.

Tim 38:32

Uh yeah, it is. Hey, I look who's the big daddy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

I'm in charge here.

Tim 38:39

Old G dubs is the big daddy.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Yeah. You put me in this position, you're gonna celebrate me.

Tim 38:44

Yeah, you're gonna celebrate me.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

Sure. Again, but I you can tie that back to the punishment part of it. Yeah, you're not uh you know, hurting somebody here, but he's making that sure they know that I'm in charge here.

Tim 38:58

Well, uh, in the defense of what I said a minute ago, it it did say it did say including execution. Wow, sure. So he would kill somebody, sure. All right, image control, portraits, posture, and public access. Washington understood the presidency needed legitimacy and he used image as a tool, controlled portrait sittings, formal appearance standards, and structured public receptions. That sounds like Trump all over there. Absolutely, you know, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

You have to wonder if if as a leader like that, do you look back and want to somewhat mirror how you kind of rules not the right way, but govern. Yeah, govern, you know, um by how these guys did it. Because it worked.

Tim 39:46

Yeah, but any great leader does that. If you read any of these self-help books or any of these uh books about becoming a better leader and how to, you know, be savvy in business and all that, it's like all of these guys have all of this in common. Yeah, that's why I bring up Steve Jobs in it, because it's like these guys know what they want, they surround themselves with people that are competent, and then they execute their vision for things.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Yeah, I guess stay the course. Steve Jobs is a good example.

Tim 40:16

You know, well, I mean, just look at the transformation of the world because of all that. Sure. All because of him. I was like reading the biography about him, all the way down to like, hey, I want this app to have to be this color. Somebody gives him the color, and it's not right, it's not the exact color that he, you know, it's like you gotta have those people that want what they want.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

Yeah, and don't care what people you know say and think about them.

Tim 40:44

I was I was watching something where they the prototype for the iPhone, they come in, the guy's like, here's the iPhone, and Steve Jobs, like, Oh yeah, this is looking good, but it's too thick. And they're like, We can't do any more. We we've done everything we can to do it. And he takes it and like throws it in a fish tank, make another one. No way, for real.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Yeah, make another.

Tim 41:05

And then that's but that's what I'm saying. It's like George Washington and the and all these leaders like this are setting a standard here, yeah, that we're not accepting less. The problem that I see with a lot of things, if we're a bunch of sissies about everything, then like we're never gonna move forward. This moves this moves.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

And and you can't, how do you govern if you're getting taken advantage of? I mean, how do you lead if you're getting taken advantage of? I mean, Steve Jobs with his computer and then trying to build the next computer. Remember that one he he tried to brand go off of when Apple let him go and he came back. I mean, but you also probably hear at this, there's a softer side in in his later years of Yeah, that's what I want.

Tim 41:48

I try to be mindful. I try to be mindful because remember, we're reading this, and I bet I'm sure that all of these things were true, but they were probably true in different parts of his life. Sure. Maybe this one incident happened and they were like, oh, I don't write this about George Washington. You know, it's like because it's like that with everybody.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

Well, these these you know, first batch of of presidents will be harder to um understand.

Tim 42:16

Yeah, it's harder for us to relate to it. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

Correct. Because we because like we said at the beginning here, we're going off of you know, letters and accounts.

Tim 42:26

Yeah, you know, but once we get into the more modern presidents, we probably can relate to them a little bit better, but it's it's very it's all it's all really crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Right. But do you think, I mean, he he he held a term, and we get into some presidents that were were pretty weak and didn't last.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

And thought they could skate around what was written back, you know, in the Constitution and it didn't work, and you get in trouble.

Tim 42:52

Yeah, but think about it now. But think about it, it's like you got four years.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Yeah.

Tim 42:58

So I mean, we need to have we need to have um those restrictions on like senators. I mean, you got these guys that sit in the sit in there for 50 years or more, right? And it's like, why?

SPEAKER_02 43:11

Yeah. It's a it's an ego thing, it's a power thing. It's a it's it goes every it goes against everything that uh George Washington wanted to have.

Tim 43:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

You know, why is it just a presidency that has a term limit?

Tim 43:22

Yeah. All right, so the last section here weird and human, uh weird things about George Washington that maybe we didn't know. So this one's interesting, and we kind of touched on it a second ago, but dentures were not wooden and were painful. And so the wooden teeth myth myth is widespread, but Washington's dental appliances were made from a combination of materials used in the era, including ivory, metal, and human teeth. Yeah. They were uncomfortable and could distort his facial shape. And so I'm gonna read this whole thing because it's good. Washington suffered progressive tooth loss over. His adult life, which affected speech, eating, and confidence. Portraits often capture a tight-lipped expression that may reflect reflect pain in an effort to control appearance. So immediately I think of the dollar bill. That's etched into all of our minds. We all know what George Washington looks like because we just look at a dollar bill. But if you look at that dollar bill and you just see his lips are, you know, he just looks like he's you know, people that kind of talk with their mouths closed because maybe their teeth are are rotting or whatever. They they may have some sort of issue or they don't like the way that their teeth look like this to where all the stuff that we've just talked about, and the whole time he's like, you know, in a kind of panic mode in his mind of like, I don't want people to think I'm weak because of this, or the at the same time, this really hurts. Sure. You know, having to deal with that.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

No, sure. We I mean we can attest to that just the way we we we've get done with our our feet. I mean, you could act a little uh act a different way. You're gonna sit when you should maybe should stand. You're gonna you're gonna, you know, not be a great speaker, public speaker, because you know that your mouth hurts so dang bad.

Tim 45:14

Kids that couldn't just go to a dentist.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

No, there wasn't dentists. I mean, all those apple trees, he should have been eating more apples, but yeah.

Tim 45:22

And then the next one says some teeth were purchased from enslaved people. Yeah. So I just have this goofy picture of George Washington in my head where he's giving you know some coins or whatever the currency was. Flip it on cord. Flip it on the cord. Here's one of me. Have a me. He like gets it from his enslaved people, or maybe he like pays them or something. He's like, give me them teethers. It's like, do they do they like knock their own teeth out, or were they like that's a great question? Maybe the kids like when they're losing their teeth when they're young, and it's like, is he yeah, and he's just like gluing them in his face?

SPEAKER_02 46:00

I mean it well, you have to have a have a doctor to do it, but probably as they passed away, he was pulling they're pulling the teeth out.

Tim 46:07

Yeah, but this says were purchased. Purchased, yeah. That's interesting. So it's not like, oh, hey, Billy Bob over here passed away, and he's like, get me the get me the teeth. Get the pliers, get the pliers and give me the teeth. It's like he actually bought the teeth, which is weird.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

Yeah, that's the one thing I did know that it wasn't wooden, it was more human teeth. But I didn't know that I didn't know the metal or the ivory, which is makes sense too.

Tim 46:32

Yeah, it's kind of crazy. It says the it says the rhetoric of uh blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The household health. Um, let's see.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Let's go back to that. Do you think they they taught wooden teeth to kids because they didn't want to talk about it being a human probably humans, yeah.

Tim 46:55

It could be. I mean, I I can't think of a good reason why. Yeah. You know, it's like just say that maybe it's scary to think that like, oh, he's got someone's teeth, so he's like ripping on a stake or something with some of the other dude's teeth. So all right, it says the unsmiling portraits. It says 18th century elite portrait prize, restraint, and dignity. Smiling broadly was often considered informal or unserious, which is why back then, you know, you always see pictures from like the olden days that were like always very like straight faced, stoic, yeah, very stoic and all that with their hair. It's like think about it. Have you ever seen any kind of painting or anything of like George Washington grinning it up?

SPEAKER_02 47:44

No.

Tim 47:44

Yeah, he's that's always like a portrait of him getting ready to kick some ass. Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Yeah, no, exactly. And I was growing up probably thought, well, that they were leaders and they couldn't do that stuff, but you know, it tells you kind of here that that was kind of frowned upon to be more relaxed.

Tim 47:59

Yeah. And then it says like Washington also had strong practical reasons to avoid smiling, the dental pain, the um self-consciousness about appearance. So and then his temper and impatience beneath his uh controlled exterior, which we've talked about some today, is that he it says it says Washington's public persona emphasized self-control. So out in public, he was like, Oh, I'm a nice guy, I'm a very soft type guy. But in private writings and reports suggest he could be sharp, impatient, and deeply frustrated, especially when faced with inc incompetence or disloyalty. Which just like I know I keep saying Steve Jobs, but it goes back to someone like that, sure, like that we can compare to.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

Picture this. If we don't have an individual like this set up in a position like this, we're not sitting here doing this.

Tim 49:01

I know, you're exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

So you needed you needed someone that was strong-willed, knew what he needed to do, leader.

Tim 49:11

I I a hundred percent agree, but pet put George Washington modern today with this person, we'll we'll wipe the executions off. Sure, but just like you know, get in somebody's ass that they need to be gotten into. Yeah. He would never make it today. With we have a whole generation of people, my generation, your gen, all of our generations over the past 50 to 100 years. No, I don't want to say 100, because 50 the past 40 or 50 years have been raised to be a bunch of sissies. Soft, yeah, very soft. Yeah, and it's like you you can turn on the we can turn on the news right now, and there's somebody whining and crying about something stupid.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

It's not even 50 years, it's probably like 25 years.

Tim 49:52

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Past 20, 25 years, you know, maybe more a little more than 25, but I mean it's it is the generation now, no, gosh.

Tim 50:02

Always think of the line. I don't know if you remember this in Fight Club, but the Brad Pitt and Edward Norton are sitting in the tub. Have you seen that movie? Yes, because you're not allowed to talk about it, but go ahead. Yeah, there you go. But but Brad Pitt says, We're a generation of men raised by women.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Yeah.

Tim 50:18

Because the men haven't the dads haven't been around being dads, you know. I think that it's probably turned around since like the 80s and 90s and stuff, maybe to some degree, I don't know. And somebody will probably tell me the statistics and I'm and I'm wrong, but it's like, who is the I'm a big proponent of like uh ch children need to be raised by two parents, a man and a woman to raise the kids, and that's how and and I'm I you know I'm gonna get myself in trouble by even saying any of that. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

I think you're right. I don't I think you're right. I mean it it makes a lot of sense.

Tim 50:54

You I mean it's I'm not saying that like a single woman or a single man cannot raise their kids. I'm just saying that kids need both sides of it, they need the love and affection from the mother, but they also need the father kind of you know kicking them to trying to make sure that they're doing what they should be doing or doing doing good.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

Or teaching them something.

Tim 51:14

Yeah, teaching, yeah, teaching. Kick teaching them to be a man.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

No, right. And now the generation, your your your parents are teaching your your kids are getting taught by what's on YouTube.

Tim 51:27

Yeah. George Washington would be in jail today.

SPEAKER_02 51:31

George Washington probably would be in jail.

Tim 51:34

Yeah. All right, practice posture, movement, and presence. So I was picturing him like he's like standing in his his, you know, how they dressed back then, and he's like looking in the mirror. Not smiling. He's like, don't smile. He starts smiling a little bit, and he's like, Oh, these other people's teeth digging into my gums because I smile. Martha, get over here. He says, uh, believe leadership required visible authority. He paid attention to how he stood, how he walked. Does that not make sense? How he entered rooms, aiming to project steadiness and legitimacy. Right. In confidence. In confidence. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

You you look good and you feel good, and you're gonna be good.

Tim 52:19

So he's like like looking around, he's like practicing his stride as he walks into the ball.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

You want to walk in feeling like you're the tallest person in the room.

Tim 52:28

Yeah, that's the thing. You're the leader. Formal rules for greeting and access. Washington receptions were levies used to structure protocols who could approach, how greetings worked, and how public access was managed. Wow. Battlefield mistakes and cost of command. Washington campaigns also included misjudgments, especially early war decisions, where British advantages expose weaknesses to America training and intelligence. Sure. That's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

But he ultimately learned from all those mistakes. Yes, that's if you're not able to do that, you're not gonna be good, you're not gonna be successful. I mean, the the British knew what they were doing, they had to leg up. We had to learn a lot about how they fought.

SPEAKER_01 53:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

And he was pretty darn good at it.

Tim 53:15

Yeah. And then lastly, here, he would recognize and hate modern dysfunction. It's just crazy. He also cautioned against foreign entanglements that could drag the U.S. into constant conflict. It's it's said that in this document, it's said that a few different times, modern politics often looks like the nightmare version of his warnings, hardened parties, nonstop outrage cycles, and international commitments everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

That is just that's wild to think that he thought that, and it's going on right now.

Tim 53:46

Yeah, but think about back then, it's like if you want to go across the across the pond, you jump on a plane to do it. It's like there was none of that back then. No. And he's saying, like, hey, we're gonna have problems over here with this and problems over there with that.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

Sure.

Tim 54:00

And it's like that far away, and it's just it, it's the whole constitution, the declaration of independence, and now like learning a little bit about George Washington. It's just really amazing to see where we are 250 years later.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

No, what's great about this segment that you're gonna do is we're gonna learn a whole lot about how each president built built this country and improved, made some mistakes, took steps forward, uh, and really kind of it's it's cliche to say, and silly maybe silly to say too, but really molded how we are. Like I said, if this doesn't happen, if he doesn't show up, we're not sitting here. Yeah, exactly. And we've got accents, yeah. And we're we're eating tea and crumpets right now. Instead of drinking whiskey and being awesome. Exactly. Exactly. Flipping around quarters and dollar bills.

Tim 54:57

Yeah, amazing. It really is amazing, and it's crazy to think all these years have passed. I kind of look at like, I think that once we get through all of these presidents, we're gonna kind of see the graph of America where you know we're trending up, but we have all these down spots. And again, America is amazing, but there's things like enslaved people and things like that that we're not proud of, and that we have a stain on our country for these things, and there's and we're gonna find out tons of things that have happened.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

Well, we have leaders that have gotten us in and out of some pretty serious situations. Yeah, we've not been knock on wood like some of these older countries over in Europe that have been taken over, yeah, and um we've always had some sort of leadership here to guide us to be successful, but to be a powerhouse.

Tim 55:53

But it's not guaranteed.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

No, it's not.

Tim 55:56

No, it's not for you to mate free.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

The stresses that he George Washington went through with you know growing a country and moving west and going from Washington to Pittsburgh, you know, to Fort Pitt, and then even going for what we know as Kentucky now across the Ohio River. It was like a whole brand new world.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

You know, so those stresses are like keeping relationships up with Russia and China. Because you say something wrong, or somebody says something, or somebody flies into a zone, push of a button, yeah, it could all be gone.

Tim 56:35

Yeah. It's very, it's gonna be very interesting to see what our future holds, uh uh especially after um, you know, after Trump leaves office, which you know we may look back at this a few years from now and see what's happened, but you know, whether people are for or against him, it's like he does a lot of the things that we're talking about here.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

Yeah.

Tim 56:56

And we know that, you know, Trump likes to talk about himself and he's compared himself to George Washington a lot, but I think that it's fair that a lot of this stuff that he's doing is similar to that.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

Well, it just tells you that you need we do need a strong leader to govern this country.

Tim 57:10

Yeah. The president does matter.

SPEAKER_02 57:13

President matters, and the and the surround people surround him, just like George Washington had with Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, and you know, that helped mold and shape what we use as our government, you know, today.

Tim 57:28

Yeah. Well Mike's fascinating. Mike Riley, I appreciate you joining me on this one.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

I I think this was kind of we're gonna learn a lot. I think we were kind of both naive to what we were getting ourselves into here.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:42

Because we really didn't know a whole lot.

Tim 57:46

Well, and this the they've there's books and books and books written on this, and it's like you can't get to all of these things. That's why, and I will be the first to tell you, and I want to end the show with like, join me on my ignorance. Exactly. With join me in my ignorance of trying to learn, even as to if it's just a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 58:04

Yeah, I would I would I hope to be involved as much as this is because I think this is fascinating to know.

Tim 58:09

Well, I do have an announcement to make about this. Let's hear it. This is coming from me and Nikki because we were talking about this, and she said, You need to do all of the present episodes with Mike because he's very excited about it. I'm very, very excited about it, and I would love to do it. And so that then you'll be there. I would love to do it. We may get another person in here on one, but yeah, I think this was fun.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

Yeah, this was amazing. This was truly amazing because I didn't, like I said, I mean, as as bad as this makes me sound as a 50-year-old, I mean, I knew a fraction. Yeah. And then when I thought I knew something, I second guessed myself.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

But no, I'm I'm super excited because hey, I couldn't tell you all the presidents.

Tim 58:50

Well, there's that's the thing, is a lot of them are, you know, they're my this is the biggest one, obviously, because it's George Washington. Yeah. But when you start getting into like the you know, into the six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

It's like I mean, Grant was what, five?

Tim 59:05

I don't know, man. All of them built America.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Grant was after Grant was after uh you're just gonna make us look dumb.

Tim 59:12

I know, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 59:13

No, I'm here for it. I I I welcome that opportunity to be involved with this because I think it's fantastic. Take some trips here because we have that ability to do yeah with the president that that lived in and around here and uh talk about that. But this is awesome.

Tim 59:26

This is really awesome. We're gonna do it. So this is my disclaimer to everybody that I'm not a historian. Yeah, I'm learning just like everyone else. So don't please don't well.

SPEAKER_02 59:36

That's the thing. If if someone knows something that they want to add in, send it on the send it in the show notes. Send send like and subscribe, send it in the show notes, we'll talk about it.

Tim 59:45

You know what? I appreciate you doing that. Yeah. For all the listeners, visit the fair www.triple w triple dubbs, the fairview social podcast.com. Like and subscribe. Like and smash the subscribe button. Smash the subscribe button.

SPEAKER_02 59:58

And if we can get talk some talking points, maybe we do a live after ten presidents to see if people want to talk about some things.

Tim 1:00:06

Yeah, we can have like a summary of the first ten presidents. I think that's a great idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

I'm very excited. I'm welcome the opportunity to be involved with this. Thank you. Well, you're welcome.

Tim 1:00:16

And thank everybody for listening. I hope that you learned a little bit about George Washington, the numeral Uno. And so we're gonna go to number two, which will be John Adams, and we will have him coming up sooner. Is it John Quincy Adams? No, that's his son, I believe. Oh, good call. Of course, I might be ignorant. Be patient with us. Be patient. See y'all.