
Thrive After 45™
The Thrive After 45 ™ podcast is an empowering show designed for women in midlife who are ready to embrace their next chapter with confidence, purpose, and joy—without guilt, remorse, or shame for prioritizing themselves.
Hosted by Midlife Renewal Coach and former educator Denise Drinkwalter, MEd, this podcast provides a supportive space where women can release self-doubt, rediscover their passions, and create a life that truly lights them up.
Through insightful interviews with experts, thought leaders, and inspiring guest, as well as solo episodes filled with practical strategies, the Thrive After 45™ podcast helps listeners navigate personal growth, relationships, mindset shifts, and career reinvention. Most importantly, it encourages women to take time for themselves, step into their power, and recognize that self-care is not selfish—it’s essential.
If you’re ready to let go of old expectations and start thriving in midlife, this podcast is for you. Because midlife isn’t the end—it’s the beginning of something extraordinary.
Thrive After 45™
The #1 Block to Your Midlife Reinvention - With Barbara Wood Watson
You know that feeling when you're in midlife and it feels like there's something more for you, but you just can't figure out how to get there?
That feeling is exactly what my amazing guest, Barbara Wood Watson, helps people with.
She's a "Logical Mystic" who has spent decades helping tens of thousands of students worldwide silence stress and unlock their intuition.
In this episode of Thrive After 45™, we're diving deep into the hidden barriers that often stop us from living a joyful and full life as we get older.
Barbara has a unique background that spans healthcare law, meditation, and more, and she uses that wisdom to help people break free from what's holding them back.
We talk about how what you're seeking is already within you and the importance of giving yourself permission to go after your dreams.
We also explore the fascinating "big rocks" concept, a simple but powerful tool that helps you prioritize what's most important in your life so you're not just doing the small stuff.
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Remember, midlife isn’t the end - it’s just the beginning of a new, exciting chapter! Keep thriving, keep shining, and I’ll see you next time!
What if the very blocks that seemed to hold us back in midlife were actually the doorway to living our fullest expression? Welcome to Thrive After 45, the podcast where you remember the woman you were never meant to forget. I am Denise, drink, heart whisperer, midlife mirror, or and mentor for the woman awakening to her power. This is your space to shed expectations, collapse timelines, and return to yourself for you by you because of you. It is an absolute honor and a real privilege to welcome back and reintroduce Barbara Wood Watson to our show today. In today's thrive, after 45 episode, we're gonna dive into hidden barriers that often stop us from continuing to live fully and joyfully as we age. My guest is someone who has. Spent decades blending the logical and the mystical, helping tens of thousands of students worldwide silent stress and unlock their intuition known as the logical mystic. She brings a very unique background that spans healthcare law. Meditation. But what makes her extraordinary is how she uses that wisdom to empower people to break free from stress, uncover what's been holding them back and step boldly into their truest selves. I am so excited to have. Barbara Wood Watson, the logical mystic back on our show today. So great to have you here, Barbara.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. What a wonderful introduction. My goodness. I'm very grateful. Thank you.
Speaker:It's my, yes, it's good. Oh, we, we go. I'm not gonna see, say a ways back, but we have connected over. A couple years. Anyway, it, it's, mm-hmm. And it seems like a lifetime because you are such a gem. To connect with you. Read people so well and our heart centers just seem to know how to move conversation, have opportunities to discuss in very deep ways, very quickly. And I love that about you, Barbara. You are so in tune with everything and everybody without carrying all the weight that can come along with that. How in the world. Does that even happen?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah. I guess when I think about all the students I've had over the years, over the decades and the, and coaching clients and whatnot, uh, they have obviously very individualized situations. But the common denominator is, and what we delve into is they know they want more. They know this life is not enough. Like I've got more I can do in life. I just don't know how to do it. I can't figure out how to get it. And what a lot of people don't realize is there are messages for you in that human energy field and the universal energy field as well. And, uh, and if you have animals in the, the, their energy field, the canine energy field for dogs, for example, and we'll get into if it's individualized, whatever comes up for you is where we go. Mm-hmm. What I end up doing with them, and we do it over a series of individualized coaching as well as group work and the coaching individualized is at, uh, you know, their needs to meet their needs, their desires, but what we're doing. We bring them to the point where they understand what you seek is what you are. You already are. You have that inside you. What you seek is what you are, but you just can't figure out how to get there. And so part of what it is, it's just expanding their permission fields because again, giving, they're not giving themselves permission to go there. And helping them to, helping them to extend. I do not expand it. I help them to expand because it's their permission field and this has to be lasting. So it comes from them and they commit and then they just, you know, they know they want more. They have whatever their calling is in light, doesn't matter. They can reach it. Whatever their deepest dreams are, they can get there. So, yeah, that's how it happens. And it doesn't, uh, um, doesn't happen immediately, but it doesn't have to take long. It really doesn't. It just depends where they're starting from that gets unearthed.
Speaker:I love that. So, so are as a logical mystic. You marry, and correct me if I'm wrong, marry the real world with the five dimension or beyond. Mm-hmm. World in ways that those of us who don't know and don't, don't have that deeper connection like yourself can't do it because we get stuck here. Is that where we get stuck mostly, or what happens?
Speaker 2:We can get stuck in various places. Okay. We can get stuck, for example, I, I give, uh, give you an example of someone who just needs to figure out what to do. Most people have heard of fight or flight. Lot of people haven't heard of freeze. There are different things that could be involved here, but think of a woman or, or anybody who is out in the ocean, somewhere on an ocean liner and, and it goes down. So you're on a raft. Okay. In the ocean, and you've got some, you're lying there on the raft, you're close enough that you could reach out to the, the water, the ocean. Mm-hmm. Salty water. And you are there alone and you need to survive. But you know, there's a rescue ship there. You can see it. It's often the distance over there. And you can see that the people coming towards you, they're, they're throwing out bottles of water, bottles of water to you to come to you on the waves. And they do, they come to you and, and you might be depending again, where that step point is, right? You might be saying, oh great, I need that water. I really need that water. I need that water. And you watch it coming and then you watch it float by. Hmm. Because you don't have what it takes to reach out and grab that water what you that you need. Now, it's not that you don't have it, but you can't access it. The stuckness, if you like, is deeper than we're going into the, the mind stuckness. So it's a, it's a body mind thing that I do as well as soul spirituality, all of it. The mind may not compute that this is water that you need coming towards you, right? So that's a deeper level, and that's why it's very, it has to be very individualized because the mind doesn't compute. You are not really seeing that this water is coming to help you. Not only can you not reach out for it, you don't even see that you wanna do it. So it just depends. So it's, it's it, it can be happening anywhere there, there are definite blocks and there are definite ways through it. Right. Definitely it works.
Speaker:Now it what? One thing that you do, you do so much. Oh my gosh. But one piece that you do do is the meditation in meditation. Do you find that that helps level the playing field as it were, or helps open up? Or what's the context for meditation?
Speaker 2:Uh, yes it does. And that is part of, to marry that with your previous question, going to five D five dimension, fifth dimension and beyond. So we live in a 3D world. Mm-hmm. And what, but we are living or going to. Five D level through four D, five D, et cetera level. Uh, which may or may not in the beginning probably doesn't mean much to you, right? But, um, living at five D in a 3D world, it, it's really wonderful because it opens up vistas for you. Um, you know, what you previously saw is limits. There are no limits. There are. Movable boundaries, parameters. Ooh. But I don't agree with the word can't. And, and I heard that in one of the, but I, and again, not with my friends, but when I'm students, they, they don't say, I can't do this. Uh, Henry Ford said it. Whether you say you can or you can't, you are right. Because your thoughts create a reality.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The. This whole idea, these concepts are often related to the law of attraction, which is the eastern mystical stuff. But there is now scientific logical proof that the photons, the bio photons in the body react differently if you set an intention, for example. Mm-hmm. The bio photons, which is the smallest particle of light, but they're not always particles, they will form into matter, into waves. This probably means nothing to, to people in the beginning. And, uh, but this is where the science comes into this.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker 2:And it is often said that when you set an intention before you go into meditation in, in the science field mm-hmm. You are looking at the bio photons, realizing they're being observed and realizing they have a role to play here and forming into waves, which takes into account the all sorts of concepts. Like, for example, um. Energy healing at a distance, that kind of thing. Okay. But again, again, this is all stuff that's come down. There is science around it and people will look at it in their own individual, uh, circumstances for sure. But it is, and so I do marry those and, and I don't say can't there, if a student says to me, I can't do it. I mean, really they're right. Because this is creating the reality. So I say, no, it's no, there's no such where just can't, there's won't, I won't do it right, or there's, I choose not to do it. Mm-hmm. That's fine. Right? We, we can all make our own choices and that's fine. And I, I encourage'em to make their own choices. And if they're not at that point, that's all right. Right, right. Everybody can get there. Nobody gets there. You don't just jump over leaps and bounds and get there right away. And if, if the motivation is there, then the results are there. Love that. Yeah,
Speaker:love that. Yeah. Um, can you share an instance and, um, where this had, you have seen it, witnessed it, whether it was for yourself or somebody you worked with, where this has actually come into full fruition. From, from this beginning to the end, things have happened. Can you walk us through something that will allow our listeners to go, oh my gosh, it is possible she's not just saying this, this, and this, and this.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Um, I've got several, all all kinds of things that I could, uh, and all kinds of testimonials and whatnot, um, that we can look at. But again, people will come with various different. Scenarios, it's all confidential. I will stress that first. Right? And if I use a name, it's a made up name. It's not the individual's name. If I use a location, it's a made up location. So it's not, you know, the, the, but the rest of it is true. Okay? So yes, I've had people come from all kinds of walks of life. And from people who are, you know, wonderfully happy with their, their home life, but that the kids have grown up and they wanna do something more. That kind of thing, right? Mm-hmm. Or people who are in their jobs, their careers aren't going the way they want. So in one case, for example, we looked at a lot of this career stuff that was going on and she was, um, reasonably. Uh, uh, at a high level in, in where she worked. Yep. And, uh, she had all kinds of things going at work and she would call me. So we had emergency calls. Sometimes she she'd call and I'm available for that too. When, when something comes up. But I had her do all kinds of things. One of the things, for example, here's a tip for your listeners is the big rocks thing, which you may have heard of. I expect with your background, you've heard about big rocks, so what are your big rocks in life? So I will have people go out and. Take a container of some sort, doesn't matter what it is, and then, then go out and get some rocks of different sizes. But what are your big rocks? What's most important to you? What is it you want most in life? You know? And that may be your health. I mean, it's up to you, your health. Sure. Your relationships, your whatever it is. But those are your big rocks. And then there'll be two or three big biggest rocks. Mm-hmm. And then you move downward. Okay. What? What's next with the medium sized ones? And then you move on down. And then in that container that they. Got. Mm-hmm. And they could, I could, for example, use my, my cup, but it is full of water right now. But you could use, sure, you could use something bigger than this, but it's what I happen to have handy. So what we often do is we put all those little things, the small rocks into our container, and then there's no more room for the big rocks. Yeah. So, so that is the, the, the reversal that needs to happen. And they will take, uh, so put the big rocks in first. Yep. So you get, get them done. You can work with them, put the medium rocks in that, so they're still there. You put those little bits of gravel or smaller stones in. After that, they're gonna seat down in, they're still in the container. They're still there. They still get done, but the big rocks will get done too, and the medium rocks will get done too. So you're not just doing all of these small bits of gravel. You're doing the big rocks. So in this particular scenario that I'm telling you, she actually took her container and she put it right beside her office desk, and she looked at it and I've had other, you know, and that this brought her right to the point where she could handle everything that was going on. Mm-hmm. There was a lot that was going on. Yeah. What are my big rocks? You know? Yeah. Deal with them. Okay. This is not a big rock. Okay. Yeah. Don't deal with that kind of thing.
Speaker:Nice.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, so the big rocks has worked very well. And I have done that with groups of people. I have one time when, uh, I was, it was a, a hospital had called me in to speak to people and they had a couple of other hospitals in their, their cadre who mm-hmm. Who came in via, uh, video. So they were up the sort of at the top and then this group of people around here, and same thing, big rocks, a lot of other things too. But we did the big rocks for them. I do that. Fairly, fairly often. It depends what's needed, of course. And they would say to me, okay, I'm gonna find my big rocks.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker 2:It's, it is just, it can be simple, but it's not easy to do because it doesn't come to you.
Speaker:Yes. Until somebody, oh,
Speaker 2:you think, oh, I can do that.
Speaker:Yeah. I love that. There you go. I love that. And I love how it's, um, a physical representation which brings you right back into it. It, uh, connects you to it so you don't lose the idea of it. I love that. Thank you for that share.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. And it's always there.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. W would you do us a favor and explain how would you initially work with a new student? You've talked about how everybody's so different. What would that look like? Yes.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Um, individually. Mm-hmm. So when people register, um, through my link, they will, as soon as I get the notification. They will receive a and I, I'll just send an email at that point. Yep. From me with a link to meet with me at their convenience. Several. Nice. They will also receive, uh, an invitation to join. I, I have the group programs and then I have the individual ones as well. And it stemmed from many years ago, teaching in academia. I would have a, uh, you know, the group, the class, and then the class would be divided into groups and so they could access their own group at the time, because I have several different focus areas, all of which come together. And it really depends what they need, where we go with it. And these focus areas, um, are not discreet. They do mingle with each other. So it really is an individual thing. So I would meet individually, uh, I would immediately start with the safety, the Soma support, so somatic the body mind support, because safety is so important, feeling safe, and so many of us don't in this world. Oh, and you know, depending what's happened. So we do that. Uh, and that can be very simple. Just, you know, right now put your hands on your heart there. I'm not doing, there you go. Mm-hmm. Like, so, and that's a another tip for you right now. Those of you who are listening mm-hmm. Just bring your hands to your heart, slow down, slow your breathing. And that's so much support, but there's a lot more to it and Sure. And depending what people need, I would do that. We would unearth the, whatever they're ready to tell me about their situation. Right. And that's develops over time quite often, or sometimes it's right away. It just depends. Right? And then I will meet each of them on an ongoing basis, again, at their convenience, generally throughout the, the program, um, duration, which is generally a. Every two weeks or so, but again, their choice
Speaker:mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:I find in general, once a week is, is, um, a little too quickly for most people to Right. To put into, into practice what we've, we've talked about. Code and whatnot. So we don't necessarily do that. And I found that waiting a month is probably too long for most people. Right? Yep. Again, it's up to them, generally works out to every two weeks. And if we need to change, we need to change. And if there's an emergency, I'm always available, you know? Right. Contact me. We'll, we'll meet somehow.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker 2:I've, I've got what I need to connect no matter where I am, even if I'm traveling, so I can do that. Sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that, and I have taught from various places, including cruise ships and various things. There's different countries. I mean, you can, on the internet, you can, you can teach from anywhere or coach from anywhere for sure. So, yeah. Yeah. Does that answer the question? Absolutely. Absolutely. That's, that's where we would start. Yeah. And, and I expand their permission fields, as I said before. So they simply can go give themselves permission, right? To do whatever comes next, and that will come to that.
Speaker:Yeah, I love how you guide, and it's based on the client. It's not based on, here's the program, go and do it. It's a, this is the skeletal pieces around it, but I need to meet with you to guide you to where you need to be based on what you're sharing with me. And it unfolds differently, I'm sure, with different people over various timeframes, right?
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Well, as it unfolds too, in the different mm-hmm. Stages.'cause I have the, the, the six focus areas, but I also have five stages that people go through. And the initial couple of stages, they're, they're more the, the sens type in, in most cases. Okay. Uh, so they're types associated with this, and then they become reflective. Yeah. So moving up and then eventually contemplative. And different. So there are different things along here. Right. And milestones. And action plans and
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All that. All that stuff. All this stuff.
Speaker:Pulling it all together.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. On an individual basis for each person. Yeah. So they get the results that they came here to get. Perfect. Mm-hmm. Perfect.
Speaker:What a gift. What a gift. And I'm so grateful that you have taken your wealth, breadth, and depth of knowledge and continue to. Keep it out there. Keep your arms open for those who are in the receptive frame of mind and are ready for, like you said in the beginning. I know I need a change. I just don't know how. I don't know. There's something telling me, but I don't know what to do. Barbara Wood Watson is your woman. Reach out to her if you are in exactly what we've been talking about. I think there's more, I don't know what I'm gonna do next, or how do I get there? And it could be an experience that you've had right now, or it could be something from previous years. Who knows? Everybody's journey is different, right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah, Barbara is here. People, yeah, go ahead. Okay, go
Speaker 2:ahead. Whoa.
Speaker:No,
Speaker 2:with your question, I'm probably about to answer it. I just have had people who have actually gone back to the womb during the meditations, so they've gone to various areas, depending what we're doing, but we do that type of thing as well. And going back to the womb to look at what happened at that point, et cetera. Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's, so what were you gonna ask? Was that it,
Speaker:that No, I, um, I was going to ask, is there anything that you want to share or leave our listeners with? I'm gonna share with everybody as always in our show notes, there is information on how to find Barbara, how to. Find her silence, the stress information, which everybody can use these days. There's no doubt about it in my mind, but is there anything that you'd love to leave our listeners with before we wrap up today? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:So what I would say is put your hands on your heart, breathe slowly and just ask yourself, what are my deepest dreams? Mm. And then ask yourself, what if, as Denise said in the beginning, what if all the messages that I need are right there in my energy field and the universal energy field? All I need to do is, is figure out how to get that and get it to work for me. Just ask yourself that, and if you're so inclined, if it calls to you, come and see me. We'll figure it out for you. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker:Perfect. Thank you so, so much for joining us in this powerful conversation. So many tips and strategies and knowledge being shared. If today's episode has. Spoken to your heart. I would love to have you follow the show, share this episode with a friend, leave a review so more women can find this message. And make sure you check the show notes because we will have information where you can contact and find Barbara. And if you're ready to go. Deeper with My ME academy. The doors open there on September 30th. This is your invitation to step fully into the woman you were always meant to be. Thank you so much, Barbara, for sharing your time, your wisdom, and your energy with us today. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Very grateful. Thank you. Bye-Bye everyone.