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Bonus Episode - We Watched the Gary Stevenson vs Daniel Priestley Debate… Here's What REAL People Think!!
The viral Gary Stevenson vs Daniel Priestley debate lit the internet on fire — but something was missing: real voices.
In this episode of UNTOLD, three normal lads sat down to break it all down. No millions in the bank. No political agenda. Just honest opinions from working-class people trying to survive in today’s UK economy.
Is the system broken? Should the rich be taxed more? Can you really just “start a business” and escape poverty?
We don’t claim to have all the answers — but we’re not afraid to challenge what’s being said from the top. Because right now, none of it feels relatable to the rest of us.
🎧 Tune in to hear what REAL people think about the economy, entrepreneurship, and the future of this country.
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There was a Stephen Bartlett podcast, gary Stevenson and Daniel Priestley trying to figure out the state of the economy. I thought I wouldn't have an opinion, but the more you two are talking I'm getting pissed right off inside.
Speaker 2:My problem at the moment is I resent paying taxes because nothing's being done with the money. Well, it is.
Speaker 1:It's being fucking wasted. There's a fucking cost of living crisis, but you wouldn't know it because everyone's using credit cards. It just doesn't sit right. His stories don't add up. That's where we're different. If you're determined, you'll find a way. If you're not determined, you'll find an excuse.
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Speaker 1:Welcome back to the Untold Podcast. Look, it's a Thursday episode. It's a special. We are jumping on the hype train. We're jumping on the bandwagon. Thursday episode. It's a special. We are jumping on the hype train. We're jumping on the bandwagon. Anyone that's been living under a rock, get yourself from under it. Because there was a Stephen Bartlett podcast, the Diary of a CEO. He had on Gary Stevenson and Daniel Priestley and he had himself in there as well, and he got involved more than usual, and the three of them were trying to figure out the state of the economy, weren't they? And basically, they all played their greatest hits and it ended up being this ridiculous viral machine, didn't it? And we're jumping on that bandwagon because when something goes viral, you do the same bleeding thing.
Speaker 1:That's it Right, and it's interesting, though, isn't it? Because there's so much psychology behind it. There's so much when it comes to personal branding. There's so much psychology behind it. There's so much when it comes to personal branding.
Speaker 2:There's so much about each individual message each of them gives, and we want to unpack it. And I thought that you've got someone that's successful in economics and someone that's very successful in business all talking what they want to talk. So I thought, why not the three of us, who are three normal people who have not made millions betting on the economy and who have not got eight, nine figure businesses? Let's unpack it together, love it.
Speaker 1:Basically the people they're all talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we are the people that are talking about.
Speaker 1:But I've got to be honest. So I relate to Gary Stevenson so much because he's saying the things that someone in my background would always aspire to be. We were the working class kids playing football in the streets, looking up saying we wanted to be rich like that. There's holes in his story. There's holes in his story and I really liked him because he burst onto the scene. It feels like about two, three months ago, didn't it? And he's throwing himself out onto right wing media being this champion of the people. I fell onto right wing media being this champion of the people. It just seems a little bit much.
Speaker 1:And then what do you mean? He's a professional camera speaker. He is, he is. He knows exactly what he's doing. I mean, he says a lot of truth. He does say a lot of truth, but you know, we've got to remember these people were very good at what they do and they're doing it for a reason. He's not coming on camera every single day just to get his point across. He's working very hard on his own brand. Yeah, I completely agree with that.
Speaker 1:So, for anyone that didn't see it. Basically you had this three-way divide. You had Daniel Priestley and Stephen Bartlett, who represented the entrepreneur. Stephen Bartlett, who 10 years ago, was basically asking Uber Eats for discounts, nicking stuff off the doorsteps and stuff like that. Then you've got Gary Stevenson, who is a working class boy who went to be a trader, went through the London School of Economics, went to be a trader in Canary Wharf, bets on the economy, bets on the economy going down and made millions off the back of our downfall. Then his argument is that you should tax the rich more, more, more, more, more, because in the wealth growing in the upper classes it's draining the economy in the middle classes. That's what his argument is and the rich need to bail out the country. Then, on the flip side, you've got Daniel and Stephen talking about how it's actually possible to achieve financial freedom. Should you choose the right method and determine yourself and make perseverance and resilience and all that good stuff? Where do you lie?
Speaker 2:So I'm very much in the middle of both their arguments. So, yes, the economy is fucked. The middle of both their arguments. So, yes, the economy is fucked. Um, I feel, um, I feel that they're already taxing everybody too much and I don't think the way to save the economy is by taxing the rich because, like daniel says, they will just leave. I think, the uk. Why are everybody? Why is everybody flooding to these places? That's a bit of a tax haven. Why are these big corporations like Amazon, facebook? Why, every time do I pay £1,000 to Google? It doesn't go to a UK company, it goes to there. No, there's no VAT being paid, et cetera. I think the way is to make the UK more inviting for these entrepreneurs to come, not tax the hell out of them. My problem at the moment is I resent paying taxes because nothing's being done with the money.
Speaker 1:That's it. Well, it is.
Speaker 2:It's being fucking wasted. It's being fucking wasted, that's it.
Speaker 1:I don't mind paying more tax if I knew the roads weren't going to have holes in them. It's so stupid. All we care about on a day-to-day are your bins on time. Have you got bins big enough to do everything? Oh, can you move out of your driveway without a pothole going through to help? Me and you have had tires go down in the last two days, and the buses, the doctors. I don't mind paying taxes, but we're paying more tax than ever and those things are all getting worse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and so that that's the thing for me, like I've. I've said this for a while and I'll. This is my opinion. I think if you make corporation tax 10, if everybody had a flat rate tax of 20, then 10 of something is better than 40 of nothing, and I think that's the way we're going. Millions and millions and thousands of pounds is just leaving our economy every day, and Gary is right in what he says because the middle class I don't feel there's a middle class anymore. I worked in a retail space and our business was middle class people doing bathrooms, kitchens, renovations that fell off a cliff. Literally, that customer fell off a cliff. So you're either now you're either high end or you're low end, and that's the thing. People haven't got the money. Everything's going up. We're being squeezed taxes everywhere. I saw a kia starmer posted the other day. I'm doing something for the british 1.6 billion pound to increase potholes what are you doing following that?
Speaker 1:well, it's on's on LinkedIn and it's I shouldn't do. You're right, I told you not to watch the news. You're right, I shouldn't do.
Speaker 2:But it's quite interesting because I put a comment on it and said you could probably do it for a billion quid if you held the companies doing the fixes accountable. They've just fixed one on our estate. It's a small little estate. They just fixed one. It was massive like the Grand Canyon in the middle of the road Three weeks ago.
Speaker 1:it's already come out. Have you noticed? What we're already doing in this chat is that we're taking the concepts that Gary, daniel and Stephen made and we've taken it down to the working, the bottom level. Yeah, because those guys haven't got the capability to do that anymore. No, that's where we're different. That's where they're not relatable. None of them are relatable. What do you reckon? Well, I'll be totally honest with you. When we discussed that we were going to do this, I thought I wouldn't have an opinion, but the more you two are talking, I'm getting pissed right off inside.
Speaker 2:I knew you would, I knew you would and I knew you'd have something to say that this whole debate of like tax the rich.
Speaker 1:It pulls me right back to the people that don't have money. Because what is the fucking point in trying to better yourself and become a rich person if you're going to be punished? That's why people don't succeed enough because they're squeezed. Why would you want to wake up one morning at five o'clock in the morning and work your bollocks off all day to then go and pay 60% tax when you can get your rent paid for, you can get your fucking food bill, your food tickets or whatever you get from the government for your food, and you get your child maintenance and everything you get for nothing. Actually, when you do better, you get squeezed. That's it. What's the point? You can understand why people don't want to better themselves. I'm getting wound up.
Speaker 1:now I can actually feel myself getting wound up.
Speaker 2:Now I can actually feel myself.
Speaker 1:I believe it so I was, I was proper into my politics until about a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1:Now, to be fair, I've taken my foot off the gas, the reason being, whoever the government is in charge, they're being told what to do by about 200 civil servants. Now, the worst tories ever got booted out. This year, labor have come in. It's the same fucking 200 civil servants. So when sarma stands up there and he's got that two-bob little thing on his plateau, renovate, achieve. That's because he's got two-bob civil servants working in the comms department that have already pissed off the country and they're all still there. Clear the lot.
Speaker 1:Anyway, going back to the 80s, margaret Thatcher made people buy their own council houses and in doing so, she turned a load of working class people into middle class, because all of a sudden, she created this middle class. You now own your home where the middle class were going oh, look at us, we're the middle class. When they weren't, they were just working class with a different fucking mask on. Then the tony blair came in. Credit went through the fucking roof. Everyone just started owning everything on money that wasn't theirs.
Speaker 1:Surprise, surprise, it had a short shelf life. Now all the money's being drained out of the country and everyone's living on credit. There's a fucking cost of living crisis, but you wouldn't know it because everyone's using credit cards and the pinch comes in a year's time. Meanwhile, you've got dickheads like Gary Stevenson coming out with ideas that he knows is fucking impossible. He knows it and it's a message of despair. Then fucking impossible, he knows it and it's a message of despair. Then you've got Stephen and Daniel Priestley, who are actually offering a message of hope and optimism, but the working class are all on Gary's side because they would rather be miserable in an environment.
Speaker 1:There's a cul-de-sac that they can't fucking get out of and he knows that as well and he's kind of preying on it.
Speaker 2:He is because he's making money from it because he charges 150 quid a fucking month to join his community outrageous.
Speaker 1:I really like this guy and then I looked at him.
Speaker 2:I do. I really liked Gary and the things that he was coming out with and I was like, yeah, that's alright, but I don't agree that taxing the rich more is going to solve everything. I think it should be a level playing field for everybody, and that's the problem you've got with this nomad lifestyle now, what you do and what you do. You could register your company in Monaco. You could register a company in Dubai. You can do exactly what you're doing in your shed in the UK over there and pay no taxes and all your money just fucking goes. It's gone out of the UK economy. People from the UK economy are paying you money and it's going out to offshore accounts.
Speaker 2:Now, if the UK said, right, do you know what we're going to do? We're going to give everybody a level playing field. If you earn a billion pound a year, this is your corporation tax. If you earn 10,000 pound a year, this is your corporation tax, and make it more inviting for businesses to come and invest in the UK. They spoke about Silicon Valley in America and stuff. They spoke about AI. Now Starmer would say, yeah, we're investing in AI, we're investing in AI, but AI can be done from anywhere in the world. Why would the big corporations want to build a massive AI in the UK and then get taxed to fucking high heavens on it?
Speaker 1:I think that's where a lot of the governments are struggling and we're going to be in this transition for the next 50 years, where the birth of the Internet and the rise of globalization happens versus local economy.
Speaker 1:Because, you're right, we could sit here and we could do business in a foreign country right here from our phones, but it's the money we make there that fuels the economy of where you're based, and I think they haven't figured out yet how they can maximise both opportunities. Their answer seems to be get rid of cash, digitise everything, and then, of course, with that comes the arguments of well, that's just control, it's tough, right. I think you know I don't really like politics and I don't look into it too much, so I find it difficult to talk too much about politics. But I agree with you, ash. I think the tax needs to be the same throughout and the government just needs to stop fucking wasting money, because if they didn't waste the money, we'd have money in the country, we wouldn't have to tax everybody so much. Yeah, you know I'm not going to list my reasons and what I would suggest to to not waste money because they're fucking obvious.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, 90 percent of the uk probably think the same, but. But they hide where the tax is going exactly exactly, but I think in all the time that the government are run by these pub, like these private school pricks and not businessmen, I've always thought someone like Alan Sugar needs to be in the government to advise them on how to spend their money.
Speaker 2:Don't get me started on Alan Sugar. They have, well you know, that kind of a business man.
Speaker 1:He's the first person that came to my mind, you know Somebody that knows how to deal with money, because they do not have a fucking clue.
Speaker 2:No, the thing is, for me, like if your business is struggling, you look back, or you bring in a business coach or an advisor who can come from the outside, look in and say, right, your business is failing. What are you going to do If you've got a business that's in a load of shit? You can't just go to a bank and say, oh, give us another 10 million quid, Increase the deficit, Increase it, increase it, increase it. You have to strip back. Why does the government not run the same? Why is there not there needs?
Speaker 1:to be an independent order, Because absolute power corrupts absolutely mate. That's it.
Speaker 2:There needs to be an independent order. The government, I feel, is supposed to work for us, but they're not.
Speaker 1:They're not, it's completely outdated, completely outdated system.
Speaker 2:Now there's obviously I do a lot on LinkedIn James Watt, the founder of BrewDog, is quite public about this. He said I will put a team of entrepreneurs successful people know how to run a business together and we will work for free, for a few hours a week, to help the government save money. And the government, I know. And now they've introduced this. They've seen this doge thing in america, where elon musk is whether love him or hate him, I think he's right. Well, we're sending 11 million quid to some concert thing, wherever the fuck it is. Oh, what the fuck is our government doing?
Speaker 1:yeah, what is our?
Speaker 2:government doing with the money now, whether you believe in the ukraine war, pledging to send 30 billion quid over the next 10 years, that's not use of our money, like they said back in the day. My old mum would tell me put your own gas mask on first. That's what we say. When you're on an aeroplane if the oxygen mask falls, do your own first before you help the person next to you. Why are we not doing that?
Speaker 1:We're just constantly just giving it all comes back down to the people. And this is when we go back to those three in that room, because you brought up the point. What's the story gary stevenson said about his family? Oh, my sister can't afford to eat. But if you're a fucking multi-millionaire, why's your sister got to even worry about buying food? Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:that's it I've enough money, I could do whatever I want tomorrow. Well, why don't you start by helping your family out, mate? That's it. Because if you look at the dynamic in that room, gary Stevenson was on a Piers Morgan and I saw it on a TikTok today. And Piers Morgan went look, you're championing the rich should pay more. How much are you paying? He didn't answer it and he went back and well, it's not for me, it's for the rich. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Piers Morgan was like no, no, come on, all you do is champion the working class. What are you doing? Didn't answer it.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, stephen Bartlett's on Dragon's Den investing in small businesses every week. Yeah, I feel like we're kind of hating on him. We all have got respect for him in certain ways, but it just doesn't sit right. His stories don't add up. I've got his book, mate.
Speaker 1:I say I liked him enough, I bought his book. I love his message. I do love his message, but again, it is an impossible dream, which is fine, because he is right in what he's saying. There does need to be a better distribution so the middle class can have funds. There. Does His method up for debate? Absolutely, but his story seems to be contradictory and it's not helping him deliver his message. Like I say, I've read his book and he was a working-class boy playing in East London, done for nicking things here there everywhere, flogging a bit of gear. Maybe, I'm not sure if that's right. Actually I don't want to defame the boy. Bless him. He might not have done that, but either way. There's then a big gap in the book and all of a sudden he's in the London School of Economics. Now that's the best school for finance, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he's in there with lots of rich boys from daddy's money and he's saying my street smarts got me through. It probably did. How did he get in that school? I'm not sure it's plausible, but as I'm reading that book I'm thinking that needs to be answered before I can believe you and the rest of it.
Speaker 2:Part of me thinks as well, like Daniel and Stephen are saying it's never been easier. It's never been easier, which I do agree with to a certain extent.
Speaker 1:Look, at this guy.
Speaker 2:Exactly. But, like I've said before, entrepreneurship isn't for everybody. No, and I don't feel that it's right for everybody to be. I can run my own business, I can be an entrepreneur. I don't think that's the right message to be putting across to people. I feel that it's a good message to be putting across to people and giving people hope, whereas I feel just tax, like you said earlier, just tax the rich. Tax the rich, it'll get better. Now the middle class need money to spend in the businesses. If the middle class have got no money, the businesses on this level it's like a do you know what I mean? If the middle class and the working class have got no money, then the businesses don't survive the pubs, the restaurants, the bars, the cinemas, the theater, everything. So the middle class do need more money. They do need to somehow shift that wealth.
Speaker 1:Yeah to that I I do disagree to a point, mate. I've got to be honest with you the I do think anyone, anyone can make money. Maybe not be an entrepreneur, but anyone can make money because there's two in this room yeah, anyone.
Speaker 1:I'm confident that if you're a confident person and you can stand in front of a camera, we can teach you how to make money on tiktok shop. We've literally had a girl that we've been training for four months. She made four grand in a day yesterday, over the weekend. If you don't like doing that, I'm pretty confident I can teach you how to do amazon, fba. Yeah, both of those need very little money. Again, though, it's a mindset thing. It's a mindset thing.
Speaker 1:I often say this if you're determined, you'll find a way. Yeah, if you're not determined, you'll find an excuse. Yeah, and there's a lot of people ready to find excuses, but there's a lot of people that can do more to help themselves, and I know that's horrible, but I want to do it as a message of hope, because of the three of us here there's two in the room that have made our money in the last year, and we would never, ever, ever, have been able to do it if it wasn't for social media, which has only existed in the last five, ten. I want to ask a quick question for everybody that's listening or watching what is an entrepreneur? And that's coming from me as well, because I've never really thought about it. I don't look at definitions of stuff like that. It's funny. I always used to call it an entrepreneur. I hate that phrase because I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, one of the guys, one of the seminars I went to, you've got like solopreneur. They call it a solopreneur, no friends, no, that's like you're a one-man band. You're making money, you're doing what you're doing. You might have a small team around you. I would call myself at the moment a solopreneur and then an entrepreneur. I feel bad now. We're your friends, mate, listen, listen, it's fine, I'll get over it. And then, like an entrepreneur is someone who maybe has a team of people around them constantly. For me, I think entrepreneur is a mindset. Yeah, I think it's a want for more, has aspirations, and I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm glad you said that. I like that. Oh, do you know, when I listened to that podcast the other day? And they are, it's just thrown about so much, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Everybody thinks that an entrepreneur has got millions and millions of pounds and blah, blah, blah. For me, an entrepreneur is somebody that can be 15 years old, you can have a paper round and you can wash cars because you want to better yourself. You want more than one job, you want to earn a living. Yeah, you know, there's fucking hundreds of thousands of people out there that are entrepreneurs. They don't even know it. As far as I'm concerned. Yeah, you know, they've, they've got. They work in sainsbury's on a saturday, they do cleaning on a thursday and a friday and they do dog walking on a tuesday and a wednesday. It's almost like you multiple jobs where they're trying to better themselves and they are entrepreneurs because they're thinking outside the box and wanting to better their lives. Problem solvers, aren't they? Yeah, this whole entrepreneur bollocks. I think it's bullshit. I think the way that Gary, and what's his name? Daniel?
Speaker 2:I keep forgetting his name, daniel. I do the way that they speak makes the normal people feel like shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, feel like shit. Yeah, it does. Because that's what I mean. Unless you're earning fucking millions of pounds every year and you're sitting in that chair going, I've got millions of pounds, I can do whatever I want. If I want to retire now, I'll retire now.
Speaker 2:If I want to move abroad, I'll move abroad but then that's an entrepreneur as well, someone who could do that but they don't, because they keep going yeah, yeah, but it like this whole like.
Speaker 1:That's why I didn't really have an opinion on it. But the more I think about it, the more it is pissing me off mate that what you said right.
Speaker 1:There is why I do what I do. Yeah, because there aren't any relatable people that are still part of the people that are making money, that are doing well for themselves and saying look, what's achievable. Everyone else at the top, whether they do it intentionally or not, mate, they're looking down their fucking nose and they're saying, well, you may, maybe if you, you do what I did, you could have what I can have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cheers, mate, but that's bullshit because it what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for everybody. Like we said before, there's be one entrepreneur that gets up at four, 30 every morning, does two hours in the gym, goes to work and he's done loads of work before. There'll be another entrepreneur that could be in the stocks and the stock market's in the evening. He don't get out of bed till six in the evening. He's up through the night, yeah, yeah, there's entrepreneurs who are in the construction industry. There's entrepreneurs who are building tech. There's so many different avenues. As this whole entrepreneur, there's so many different ways to make money. Yes, but this whole entrepreneur, there's so many different ways to make money. Yes, but like I said, and I'll stick with it, it's not for everyone. Like you said then you had if, you had an if in your story. If you're willing to do the work, that's right. You've got to be determined.
Speaker 1:You've got to be determined. Yeah, I mean, if you're a lazy bastard and you sit on a sofa and you don't want to do anything ever, you ain't going to get anywhere. No, they're side hustles for the broken lazy.
Speaker 2:They're real, aren't?
Speaker 1:they yeah, yeah, drives me nuts.
Speaker 2:And all these, all these people doing like people say I saw a TikTok the other day, oh, I want to become a dinger. What course should I do? Well, do three of them, cause you need to take something that that guy's telling you and saying that that bloke's telling you Mate that's exactly it.
Speaker 1:So I had the £200 to £100,000 challenge and I gave myself two years to do it and I started it with Amazon FBA. And then, when I started diversifying my income streams, everyone was like, oh, I thought this was an Amazon journey. No, it was never an Amazon journey. It was turning £200 into £100,000 over two years. And as I got in this and I figured out what I was doing, I found out what I liked, what I was good at and what I could make money doing. So actually I was doing Amazon FBA. I was doing an Amazon FBA digital course. I wrote an e-book on it. I was getting YouTube ad revenue no-transcript five Can't remember the other two, that's shocking, but and then I was also doing the podcast, but basically a lot of them were to do with me talking, which has nothing to do with Amazon FBA?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Amazon FBA enables you to learn retail.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it's like they'll sit on all these podcasts. And this is my problem with some of the podcasts now is that they're interviewing people, that they're up here already, yeah, and you sort of get this as a as a young 60. And I agree what Gary said I'm fucking sick to death of all your entrepreneurs sitting there telling a 19 year old he can be a millionaire. He's right. He's right and I agree with that what he said, with that, because they're sitting there and that's why we do this, because we're not up there and we're sort of going on a journey. We're all trying to better ourselves because we're entrepreneurs. But I think the kids today watching, like Stephen Bartlett, daniel Priestley, admiration for them that what they've achieved is phenomenal and I love the story. But you have to go back and you have to learn that Stephen Bartlett came from nothing and he worked fucking hard and he made his own opportunities and he took the opportunity when it came and his book's really good.
Speaker 1:He's a bit like Marmite, isn't he? Loads of people don't like him, but loads of people really like him. I like the geezer. I think he's quite likable. Personally, he's another one. So with gary stevenson really, really liked him, start looking at, started looking at him and started finding flaws. Steven bartlett didn't really like him, but started looking at him and found things I really like about him.
Speaker 2:It's interesting so I I followed daniel and I did a couple of live webinar things with him and they tell you this and this and this, and I was a bit pissed off at the end. I don't know whether I should say this or not, but it's the truth, untold. I spoke it, I had a call, I did the thing and I signed up and I filled in all this questionnaire and stuff. And then I had a phone call with some guy in an office somewhere in Sanford, wherever he was about coming on to their sort of platform to help me become a better entrepreneur and grow the journey. And they do all this, they give you all the spill on that. And then I sort of said, no, I need some time to think about it. And that was it. I I didn't hear anything and it was kind of.
Speaker 2:What really pissed me off is that it was kind of like a sales pitch where if you don't sign up today, then the offer's off the table. I've had a few of them. No, I don't think that that's. I don't think that's the right way to be in business. Trust me, man, and entrepreneurship, and I don't feel that you need to put. If your service is that good, you shouldn't need lengthy contracts. You shouldn't need to sit there on a Zoom call with someone and send them the bank details there and then and wait on the call until they do it.
Speaker 1:It's still happening now. It's an old-fashioned process. I did a TikTok on this the other day, saying the sales funnel, come in here, click here, click there. Give me your email address and I'll give you something for free, and it's usually a video that they did in five minutes. Sometimes I put a bit of money about it, but then you're going to be peppered with nothing but sales emails nothing. Some people do it as a newsletter Great, there's value in that, and there won't be much sales behind it. And they'll try and get ad spent. Fine, they try and upsell you thousands, thousands, thousands, thousands. They then create scarcity. Not many spaces left. Yeah, oh, it was five grand, but now it's three just for you.
Speaker 2:Now are you gonna talk about this.
Speaker 1:You don't have to say no, I'm not certainly known, but you know, I approached a company, big company, um looking to better myself at some some sort of level.
Speaker 2:Are you going to say the industry? No, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm not even going to do that. All right, and the course was five and a half grand. I thought that's a lot of money. I got an email about 15 minutes later. Oh, because it's you, you know, we've got a couple of spaces left on the next course. We'll let you have it for 1,250 quid. I mean, come on, it's free and I've got it.
Speaker 2:I've said before, I've got common sense Common sense kicks in then, doesn't it? My biggest thing with that is, I feel straight off the bat, they've devalued their product. How can you have something that it started off it was 20 grand mate, des, it was 20 grand mate, but for you you can have it for 7.99. Instantly you're thinking no, fuck that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:I was thinking he thinks I'm a right cock, this geezer he thinks I'm going to fall for that. Yeah, yeah, but if someone comes to, you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've nearly sold out. We've got a couple of spaces left. Well then, keep it at the same price, pal because it's clearly selling yeah, yeah and it's just.
Speaker 2:If people can't see through that nonsense, people don't and this is the problem.
Speaker 1:Right, we talk about people, which leads me right into what I wanted to say about gary and daniel the. The people that watch these podcasts and listen to these podcasts 99.9 of them have probably not got second businesses. They don't earn loads of money. They're looking up to these people because they've got shit loads of money. They're very successful. You've got one saying you have to be an entrepreneur, you have to do this, you have to do this. And when daniel speaks, he talks about big companies that sell for millions. And when um gary speaks, he tells everyone you're fucked if you're, if you're, if you're a low, lower class or you're not middle class anymore, you're all lower class. If you're in that bracket, you're fucked you ain't getting out of it.
Speaker 1:And he also tells you that he's a millionaire every two seconds yeah, yeah, but you know, most people are never going to get to where Daniel Stevenson is. Daniel Stevenson, that was a good one.
Speaker 2:Where Daniel is.
Speaker 1:Most people are never going to get there. We probably will never get there in our lifetimes.
Speaker 1:I don't want to, I don't want to, because you know he's got a very different mindset to most people and that is why it's the 1%. You know there's a reason for that. But Gary telling everyone there is no way of making money if you're on the poverty line, you're not going to get out of it Bollocks. I woke up one morning. I went on TikTok. I watched the video. I've been doing it for 14 months. I didn't make any money for five months, still stuck at it because I believed in it. I am closer to earning six figures than I am to earning five figures in the last eight months.
Speaker 1:I don't talk about money, but it pisses me off that he sits there and he says you cannot make money. If you wake up one morning and you want to bet your lives, I don't give a fuck who you are Sorry for the language, but I don't give a fuck who you are. If you want to earn money, there's money to be earned and when you've got people like that telling you that you cannot earn money, you can't bet yourselves this. This is sorry. I've made a business out of giving people hope. That's how I've made my money. That's how I've made my business in my communities by giving people hope he is a millionaire from the working class. Saying you cannot be a millionaire from the working class, it doesn't ring true because he's the geezer. That's literally contradicting his own bloody argument.
Speaker 1:So what we do and I'm sorry this might be a plug, I don't care. We literally teach people for free how to learn on tiktok for free, and we've seen it through you, through joe, who made four grand last week, through claire who made who does faceless videos, doesn't even show her face on camera Thousands of pounds every month. They only started in October. We've got thousands of people that we're genuinely helping for no money, with a message of hope, because if they were coming in and we went no way. You've got no chance.
Speaker 2:The thing is as well like what you're doing and this sort of leads into this entrepreneurship journey. Anyone can do it with a smartphone and an internet access, and for big businesses, it's the best way to get your products out there. Yeah, imagine giving a product to 300 different people and have 300 different people posting 600 different videos a day about it for a week. That's it, mate. That's our service, and you're not actually paying them unless they sell a product, because it's all done on commission. Yeah, apart from the setup fees and stuff, exactly Anyone can do it.
Speaker 1:We've literally just signed. We've only been going a couple of weeks, We've signed. They're a company called Free Soul. They are the second biggest health and supplement brand on TikTok supplement brand on TikTok and they've agreed to give free samples to hundreds of our clients who can then promote them for free and again, we would be giving them hundreds, hopefully a thousand, adverts over the course of this week. So the affiliates make money, the brand makes money and we as the agency make money. We've created a business model. I call it. The rising tide raises all the ships. We don't charge our affiliates any money whatsoever, but when they do well, we do well.
Speaker 1:Through the back door it's possible. There are models out there where you can learn, where you can make money. The days of these millionaires where they would have sent you down sales funnels with all of those tactics we just talked about, they're old. Now they're gone. People are waking up to them. I think it's important to mention actually before people get carried away. Obviously there are a lot of scammers out there. You know I don't want to sit here and tell everyone it's easy to make money, because there are a lot of ways you canok or sit on the internet and fall for these traps and go down these funnels, you know, and waste the money that they don't have?
Speaker 1:yeah, definitely, but it's always been there it's always been the same.
Speaker 2:It's just a digital age now I remember that's it um, back in the day, when my it was cold calls, wasn't, it't it? Well, no, my dad paid. A marketing agency came in with a couple of glossy magazines yeah, we're this, we're that. We send out 50,000 copies. It's this, it's new, it's whatever it was. It took him for like four grand, never got an ad. We've got big companies like someone used to make a big book every year, come to us, we're gonna do digital. We're gonna do digital stuff. Paid them thousands of pounds for nothing, and this is big companies. I honestly think that the best way for people to learn is to watch people like us, yeah, who are doing it, who are not up here, they are aspiring to be, because we can learn from everybody. Agree, and that's why I love doing this podcast and having these conversations. It's amazing what you can learn down the pub from your mate. Yeah, who's doing?
Speaker 1:something yeah and the most important message that we need to get out as well is that none of it's easy. No, none of it's easy, and I hate that, that phrase. Choose your hard. I hate that, but not doing anything is isn't easy. If you've ever given up smoking or you've ever stopped drinking or you've ever stopped eating crap food, you've got the motivation to do things. Do you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, it's all you need yeah, or getting up at 5am.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, easy. You know you have motivation to do things, so just use it and just try. Yeah, and you say about friends at the pub and everything you know if you want to better your lives and you're surrounded by dickheads, get away from the dickheads.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they'll only hold you back they don't want you to be successful anyway, so now we're not saying don't listen to Daniel Priestley, stephen Bartlett, rob Moore, everybody don't listen to them.
Speaker 1:They've all got great messages.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what we're saying is pick what you need from these conversations. Don't sit there and, oh my God, I've got to do that tomorrow Exactly how he done it, Because it won't fucking work for you. That's it, Mate.
Speaker 1:I've met Rob Moore and interviewed him. So inspiring. His story is fascinating, yeah, so inspiring. All of them, such fascinating stories. And what they don't tell you is they don't tell you what good they do with that money. Yeah, they always do. I pressed Rob on it specifically, I went right whose life have you changed with the money in the platform you've got? And he ratted out a couple of stories. Mate, I was nearly in tears.
Speaker 2:The generosity is unbelievable, and that's it. And I really like Rob. I really like him. I went to one of his seminars last year and he took the time to have conversations with hundreds of people and it was really, really good and the team around him was fantastic. And I've seen Stephen Bartlett live and I've watched Daniel Priestley's stuff and read his books. I've got Gary Stevenson's book because I want to pick bits out of his story that I can resonate with, not necessarily aspire to be any of these people. That's it. You've got to be your own person. And, like you said, you were doing TikTok for five months before you made any money, and that's it. If you think that, oh my God, he's made four grand in a day, I'll do it tomorrow. That's not going to happen. No, no, no, you've got to be realistic with it. That's it.
Speaker 1:When we talk about Joe. She's been going since October and she's been doing anything between three to five posts a day since October. That is hard, yeah, hard. Took me two years. Yeah, definitely Right, I think that place to wrap it up. Yeah, yeah, so basically we're right. Everyone else is wrong. Yeah, that's it, isn't it? Yeah, good stuff. And my missus, she's always right as well yeah, so is mine, mine's not.
Speaker 2:We've definitely ended it there. I'm joking, tiff, I love it so that's yeah, we.
Speaker 1:that's an interesting take on that particular debate with those particular characters at the level that is much closer to the everyday person. I think that was vital. Yeah, I really enjoyed that, though, boys.
Speaker 2:So I didn't say this at the beginning.
Speaker 1:So we're going to say at the end that was Chris, hello, goodbye. And that was Ash, hi bye. And my name's Des. Tell your friends where we are. We're making a difference in this place, see you.