The Untold Podcast
UNTOLD Podcast is where business, family, and life collide—raw, unfiltered, and brutally honest. No fluff, no fake success stories—just real conversations about the highs, the struggles, and everything in between.
The Untold Podcast
Episode 5 | Roadtrip Therapy: Burnout, Business, and Breakdown Moments
In this completely unfiltered car journey episode, the boys get real about everything from burnout and imposter syndrome to crying in garages at 5am, walking away from 15-year-old businesses, and wondering if it’s all worth it.
What starts as light banter about breakfast, scaffolding accidents, and Des being a “passenger princess” quickly turns into one of the most honest conversations yet. They open up about the fear of failure, the pressure to provide, the mental load of spinning plates, and why success can sometimes feel scarier than struggle.
You’ll laugh, you might cry, and you’ll definitely relate if you’ve ever:
- Questioned your own potential
- Felt the weight of supporting a family while chasing dreams
- Wanted to quit everything, even when it’s going well
- Got emotional in silence when the world finally paused
Plus: ChatGPT roasts, cancel culture debates, influencer madness, and a surprise plug for the upcoming Des Hamilton Roadshow in Manchester.
This one’s a ride — literally.
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Hello, hello, we're in the car boys, this is eating as usual.
Speaker 2:No, no, this is eating as usual. Welcome to the Untold Podcast. Today, we're on our way to a real fucking film set. How do you feel, boys? Are you looking forward to it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, apprehensive to see what it's like to be fair. It's nice being driven.
Speaker 2:It's nice being driven Passage apprentice in the basset which you have to pull over for a free time so he can go for a wee and then get himself a sandwich.
Speaker 1:And a cloudy lemonade.
Speaker 2:I did contemplate getting a couple of beers from the petrol station this end but Because he didn't want to film if he hadn't eaten, because otherwise he'd get hangry.
Speaker 1:You don't want a hangry Dero episode. We've already had to significantly edit today's episode because I might have been hangry during that episode, the one about food you didn't eat before you came.
Speaker 2:I know, did you pull out of a McDonald's. Sorry, you pulled out of a McDonald's.
Speaker 1:No, chris bought me a flat white, yeah, but yeah, that edit would have got me cancelled pretty quickly. Yeah, I mean, I did have two sausages and egg burgers with two hash browns as well. But who ever did you, giant? I had a lettuce, that's all right. You've made up for it before you bought from the petrol station. Haven't you your weekly shop? Did he do his weekly shop?
Speaker 2:Yeah, did his big shop. Listen, I was thinking of both of you in case you get hungry on set today, because we don't want hangry dares on a film set.
Speaker 1:No, no celebrities will definitely give me cancelled.
Speaker 2:Not gonna be good so what is I'm gonna? I asked chat gbt to roast me him day. Based on god. That's really advanced, did it? Based on what it knows about me and my business endowments? It just writes things to me, jesus um, and it basically said that my cv should come in a box set because there's so much going on in my life at the moment with this podcast, with business and stuff. And then we turned the roast into a business plan and it came up with a wicked idea for like a segment of our podcast. So what's the stupidest thing you've ever done in business, boys?
Speaker 1:Stupidest thing, A big mistake. Some days you just wake it up to be fair Ever done in business?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's the stupidest thing. I've only been in business for about two and a half years, so you must have done some stupid shit in two and a half years. Yeah, I have.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've got an answer, but it's deep man. Yeah, I don't. Or can you make it a?
Speaker 2:bit shallower. I will Put a bit of sun on it as well, put a bit of spin on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened then, des?
Speaker 1:No move on. Mine's all about mindset and crap like that. Let me think of something funnier. Mine's just on safety stuff. It's something funnier. I was just on safety stuff. It's just like throwing health and safety out the window.
Speaker 1:Look, we spoke about health and safety the other week, didn't we in the construction site. But when the blind eyes are turned, you do things that you shouldn't do. But I'm not. It's really that's a difficult one to answer, but mine's probably hanging 120 foot off a scaffold and with one arm and cracking my head open, so I'm trying to do a pull up or something and it could have fallen right to my death. But other than that, yeah, mine's just sort of safety stuff. Really, my business is not really a business where I can take massive leaps of faith and make massive mistakes. I suppose I want to hear Des's to be fair. Oh, I've got it now, you've said it, alright, go on. Go on then, des, telling 120,000 people that I was going to wake up at 5am for a month and then carry it on for another three weeks. I know, jesus Christ, it's been four days in. I thought I can't be doing this.
Speaker 2:This is savage so what did you reckon? Alright, so let's go to that then. The 5am club, Des 5am club. You tried it for a few days. It wasn't for you. Why do you think that was?
Speaker 1:No, no, it wasn't that, it wasn't for me, it's more like half five. But I set myself a challenge at the start of this month 5am lose half a stone and read two books. The two books was a breeze, and the Arthur Stone, did I do that? I didn't even weigh in at the end of the month. Yes, I did. Yes, I did do that. But yeah, the 5.30, sorry, 5 am. No, the clocks went back, so that, straight away, that would have been 4 am. Didn't factor that one in. So what books did you read? And we're also launching two businesses, businesses, so it's and this podcast.
Speaker 1:It's been long days, right long days yeah, but it leads to a wider point. To be fair, yeah, documenting everything I do in business. I think that needs a shift, because there's only so much number one people care about and number two that I feel like I should be sharing now.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think sharing the story of the Toptic affiliate agency, I think that's a good one to share. Yeah, I think you should be sharing the journey with that In fairness, luke is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Luke is, but I have shared so much in the last two and a half years. I think not that I'm over it. That's not fair, because I do enjoy it and everyone's been so invested and I've been this relatable guy. See, I knew this would go deep. He's proper chucked you in at the deep end here?
Speaker 2:yeah, isn't it? I've been stitched here.
Speaker 1:How could I be relatable now because I'll run a tiktok agency. You can probably count on two hands how many people were doing really successfully on that. So I can't really. It's not really relatable anymore, but luke's doing a hell of a job on his podcast. Luke got a podcast, chris, did you know?
Speaker 2:he never mentioned it tougher. Oh, I think I don't know about this podcast.
Speaker 1:It's a banging podcast. He literally sits down, presses record and talks about his week in growing the tiktok agency. Well, he went number nine in his first week. Oh, that's good yeah.
Speaker 2:We need to get one too. Yeah, We've been 50, haven't we 49?
Speaker 1:Yeah, 49, yeah, yeah, just our listeners aren't supporting us as they should be at the moment. No, I know, yeah, I don't know why. Why it's not like we're giving them supports a little bit more, maybe?
Speaker 2:for a couple of comments in the uh comment section. Few little likes and share. That would be lovely and very grateful. I'll wake up at five o'clock in the morning and read them. Yeah, I loved it when in the group lads how we doing today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 6, 29 am club today hashtag 6 29, I literally got off at 5 am three days in a row. The first day I burst into tears for some strange reason, I had a a real emotional like. Honestly, I sat in my garage. I went downstairs, sat in the garage, in the studio I like to call it not the garage I put some relaxing music on and I watched. I watched a TikTok video that my missus made. I just burst into tears. That's an advert, isn't it? So I was like benefits of 5am, a bit of end year yeah, honestly.
Speaker 1:I'm not an emotional guy. I'm not an emotional guy. It's not me. I've always bottled everything up, anything that goes on, but I don't know what it was. I think it was like where I'm in the studio it's in the garage, I can hear the birds singing in the background and where I've been like my life is completely fucking flipped on its dead at the moment, like from the last eight months, where, where I was eight months ago to where I'm now, first of all, they've got no idea who I am you're welcome um, no idea who I am at all, no idea where I'm going, what I'm doing, um, just complete head fuck in a minute, I'm like. So I think it was where I've had not had time to think about anything other than everything that's going on. I went out, went down and sat down in this in the choir. I had the music playing, I could still hear the birds in the background and I just had this like revolutionary five minutes. That just made me realize what, what has actually happened to my life in eight months. It kind of just fucking done me, absolutely done me.
Speaker 1:I was in bits. In fairness, mate, the 5am club, that's what it lets you do, yeah, being awake before anyone else. You've got to be quiet because you don't want to wake anyone up. Yeah, so all you're left with is your thoughts. Yeah, this is it, and I'm not a good blaze, as you boys know. I'm not a good bum with my own thoughts, a massive, massive overthinker. And it just done me. And I went back indoors and I was like, right, I've got to steady myself, go back to work. And then I spoke to my missus at lunchtime and I told her she was like what she's like? Yeah, honestly, just in bits like bawling my eyes out. No, and I don't know whether it's. You had a lie in the next day. Yeah, I got up at quarter twelve.
Speaker 2:The following day To make up for the sick. Now, what do you reckon it was? Was it like a happy emotion? Because you sat back and you reflected on that? Eight months ago you were there, and now you're here, eight months of knowing Darrow and fucking his head up.
Speaker 1:Do you know what? I think a little bit, but I think as well. It was just fucking. It was actually my brain just going and just letting everything out that it couldn't let out, because I've either got my little boy and my missus. I've got about 395,000 WhatsApp groups going off constantly. You've got all the guys from the at the time it was the school community. You've got all your notifications from TikTok. You're making videos on TikTok. You're going live on TikTok.
Speaker 1:I've got business that I'm trying to run that is not being run and it's completely failing because I'm putting so much time into everything else and I just it was the first time in eight months, literally, where I just sat there and didn't have anything to think about other than myself, and I think that was what it is. I think that's what done me. I just realized how actually fried I was as well as yeah, like as yeah, you've done this, you've done that, you've done that, but I've never been one of these people. That really reflects all things. I think I've said it in a podcast before I don't think of the past because there's nothing you can do. I only really try and think of today, and I'm not a massive future thinker, and I think that's what holds me back in life. I don't actually think of what I can achieve. I just think about what I've got right now and what I'm being told today, rather than what I'm being told will actually affect me in the future. So I think it's just a combination of everything.
Speaker 1:Really, funny enough, I did a post on this, mate. I think that could actually be a strength of yours, because I did a post on this the old Scott Mills breakfast show for show. We had sam rider on there and sam rider he's a bit of a hippie and he bless him. Yeah, he said he likes living in the moment, because we only ever look to the future in fear and we only ever look into the past with regret, and I thought he's nailed it there. He has nailed it. So then I think there's strength. Mate, just live your day today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you say that it doesn't feel like it's the strength. To be fair, it does. It feels like it's a massive hindrance. No, but you'll have so many people made that are crippled by the thoughts of the future, yeah, and instead it leads them into sort of procrastination stuff. But you've also, I think you've hit the nail on the head about general.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's a male thing. I don't want to sound sexist when I say that, but we have got so much going on, especially trying to make businesses work for the sake of our family, where you've got your duty as a dad, you've got your duty as an employer, then you've got the responsibility that you've put on yourself to make more money. Yeah, that takes up your brain 24-7, even when you're sleeping. I literally wake up in the middle of the night for a drink of water and a wee and I'm thinking about the business. There isn't much time to sit and think about nothing, is there? No, and I think my main, I'm actually using this as a therapy session today. To be fair. My good eye for a laugh.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:This episode's actually using this as a therapy session today. To be fair, my good life for a laugh, jesus christ. My main thing to be fair in life is is when I was at school, I was an absolute little freak, like horrible little shit, and I used to love it. It's lovely in norway because you just get reactions and you make people laugh and everything. But now I've got a bit older in life.
Speaker 1:As I say, the last eight months if, like when I was at school, I was always told you're never going to do nothing, blah, blah, blah, and I can see myself becoming something now and I think, like where you've always been told that you're never going to achieve, once you start finally achieving things, you feel better about yourself. You get worried that you're going to let everybody else down because you're like all the all of a sudden, like people start believing in you, like Like my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, they're like all over it. Why is your TikTok going blah, blah, blah? Are you doing this? What's going on? And I'm so frightened that everything's just going to shit's going to hit the fan and it's all you to quit now. Not a lot at the minute If I didn't want to let other people down at the moment. I'd probably be done on TikTok. We've talked about this a lot. Mir, I know, yeah, we've talked about this a lot. You were the geezer that wanted to quit eight months in.
Speaker 2:It is really hard.
Speaker 1:But instead you built a studio. Yeah, so you were never going to quit. I need to spend some more money. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. Maybe one sub part of your brain said I'm going to quit, but the other part of your brain said, no, yeah, no matter what, I won't quit. Actually, I'm going to double down, yeah, so I wonder whether you do actually mean that I don't know, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I've never been as place been. I don't enjoy playing spinning plates and I'm spinning plates at the moment, um, but yeah, I I literally where I am at the moment, like I think probably the last week has been the worst week that I've ever had on tiktok. Yeah, as in mentally, yeah, yeah, um, I just can't be asked and it's. You know, if people are going to listen to this, they're going to go. Oh god, well, if he can't be asked, how am I supposed to be asked? To be like you know, if people are going to listen to this, they're going to go. Oh God, well, if he can't be asked, how am I supposed to be asked? You know, he's really successful and everything, but it's important to mention, like you will have times where you can't be asked and at the moment, the sun's out. You know, I want to spend time with my family. I want to go and enjoy myself.
Speaker 1:I had a fantastic day on Sunday. I don't want to be making TikTok videos. I don't want to be going in the studio in the dark and having the bright lights and everything on three hours on a Sunday evening when I've had a lovely day out, but that's when you've got to dig deep and just go for it, because they're the days where, if you don't do it, you're going to not enjoy the days where you're making money and you're actually flying. You know, mate, I had that for about six months. You all right, ash, yeah, yeah, I just wanted to hear your voice. Keep driving, mate. Me and Chris are having a chat, but no, I think this is important because I went through this and it lasted about six months. Yeah, and I documented it all, didn't I? When I was feeling like that and the conversation I always had with Claire, and it felt like we were having it three, four times a week.
Speaker 1:It was. We would never, ever, ever have a better opportunity to change our lives, cause there's loads of times we wanted to quit and go back. But this opportunity to change our lives. If we then stepped away from it, we would regret it forever. Yeah, this is the thing. It's the fear, it's the. It's the fire isn forever. Yeah, this is the thing, it's the fear, it's the FOMO, isn't it? Fear of missing out. Yeah, and also the fear of the unknown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're both in there with both Fear of missing out the fear of the unknown and your brain is coming to terms with the fact that you are actually successful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because your subconscious part You've always been in, but you're rewiring it and your brain is fighting back, and also like sitting here really quietly driving, concentrating on the roads and listening to YouTube, like a couple of old grannies and met each other at a shopping centre.
Speaker 1:Supposed to be having a laugh on a car, yeah, and then we just got really deep, I know.
Speaker 2:Eight months is a fucking long time, but it's also a very short amount of time. Yeah, when you look, think, oh God, I'm not down on that holiday for eight months. When you look back and be like eight months ago we was on that holiday, you think, jesus Christ, so much can happen in eight months, and I think that might be where you're at. So your life has changed so much and doors have opened for you in the last eight months that you never thought would open. Yeah, and that's why you've got this fear of like shit, what's going on? Everything's gonna like. What if it all goes crashing down now? My advice for that would be to just continue enjoying the journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'd say to that agreed yeah, I think, stop fucking moaning, well, yeah, well, this is it. You know, this is. This is the problem. I feel like I'm constantly like we've got a big thing with the mood hoovers, haven't we? I feel like I'm mood hoovering all the time lately because where I haven't, where I've not had all that, you know, like I was saying the last eight months, I've not had the last eight months for the last fucking 40 years, 41 years. It's really difficult to deal with it.
Speaker 1:Me and the missus last night having a chat about it all and she said like what, what's going on with you? Like why are you so miserable all the time at the moment? And I just said to her because I don't know, I literally haven't got the, I haven't got the answer because I can't remember the exact word that I use with her, but she was. She said like you need to give yourself a slap because there's fucking hundreds of thousands of people out there. I'll do it. Would kill to have the opportunity and be in the situation you're in now and you're sitting there going.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I want to do this anymore. I don't know. I don't know if it's for me. She's like, she's right, she's right, I do. Problem is right because I've got obviously got my decorate business and it's and I haven't been putting all the effort into that, like like I should have been. Now I'm at the point where I don't have any choice. I've got to double down on one or the other and give the other up and it's. You know, I've basically told my main client that I'm not going to be working for them anymore and I think obviously having that business for 15 years and then all of a sudden just giving it up for TikTok obviously, and to do other bits as well, to do this with you boys, it's difficult, isn't it? It's a real tear between the two whether you've actually got.
Speaker 1:Because not believing in yourself, which I don't I never have done it's very difficult to believe in yourself that you can actually achieve something that you've only been doing for eight months, rather than you've been doing it for 15 years.
Speaker 2:But my argument to that would be if all shit went, if everything went to shit with going on the journey you're going on now, how long would it take you to walk back into decorating? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, that's, that's what my like yeah I think you've got to take the risk or lose the chance.
Speaker 2:And you're at this like journey in your life by these crossroads where you go down the safe road or you go down the fucking green lane with all the bumps and shit. Then you'll have more fun down that road, yeah. And then all else fails, you swerve back over and you're back on the road that you're on now and again, though, it's you, you will be inspired by the circles you operate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you do at the. One of the best things that's happened to me, for my mindset is that I'm talking daily now with people who all learn more than me, or they've got goals just like I've got, and it's not one of those. Oh really, ditch your mates that aren't doing that. I hate that phrase. No, I'm never going to ditch my mates. That's ridiculous. But at the same point, you're surrounding yourself daily with people that you're aspiring to be like. Yeah, that's a good thing, man yeah, you surround yourself, don't you?
Speaker 2:I've said this I don't want to be like you, des.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I don't want to get up at 5.30am then leave me alone.
Speaker 2:You're past to be every day.
Speaker 1:I don't want to wake up at 5.38 every morning. Well, some mornings.
Speaker 2:Sorry, ash, I don't want to be a passenger princess like you, des, are we there yet? Are we there yet?
Speaker 1:We had to put Des's seatbelt on when he got in the back a minute ago. Listen, boys, all I'm hearing is jealousy. All I'm hearing is Just drive Ash.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, there's someone waving at you Des.
Speaker 1:Hiya.
Speaker 2:Des Howard. Des's road show, the Portgall Road Show. Welcome to the Untold Podcast. Today I will be Des's fucking driver. Do you need another toilet break, darling? Oh, that would be nice.
Speaker 1:Can you help me wipe? Oh dear.
Speaker 2:That was quite deep though, but that was, yeah, sorry about that, that's just mostly a bit, but, like you said the other day in the voice note, that you're in a place where you feel like you don't necessarily belong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, and I think you're in a. You're in a good place. I think that's a good place. I think it's a good because you push yourself outside your comfort zone to the point where you're uncomfortable not where you're still sitting in it and I feel that's good.
Speaker 1:I'm doing that a lot lately, I must admit. I've just admitted that I cried in the morning at 5am, which I've never admitted to anybody, and I've also just spoken a lot about my feelings.
Speaker 2:No, one's watching anyway. You just told that to 27 listeners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right yeah, I'm better doing that than telling it to a therapist. My, my mum and dad have learned something new about you. No, actually, to be fair, I do listen to it on 26 different accounts.
Speaker 2:But no, it's yeah, it's good, it's good to talk though I forgot about the fear.
Speaker 1:What was the actual start of? What was the stupid?
Speaker 2:thing you'd done in business.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, what was the stupid thing you'd?
Speaker 2:done in what me? Yeah, Start a podcast for YouTube. What's?
Speaker 1:the stupid thing you've done, then what?
Speaker 2:me yeah, start a podcast for YouTube. It's stupid because I asked the question and I honestly don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm starting to worry, Ash. Without ChatGPT, you can't think for yourself anymore.
Speaker 2:ChatGPT makes me more articulate because I learn new words from it. It's like having a teacher. The stupidest thing I've done in your business is put people on a pedestal. I reckon I've said this before. Oh, I like. That stupidest thing I've ever done in business is put people on a pedestal and think I'm not worthy of that or they're better than me, and that's the. That's probably the stupidest thing I've done, like working for influencers and bending over backwards and it costing me money so they can get what they want, just because I put them on a pedestal. They have more money than me and that's probably the stupidest thing that I've done in business. But I've learned from that now and if influencers want to come to me, they'll get a good service, they'll get a good product, they'll get a good price, they'll get a good product, they'll get a good price. But I ain't doing it, for I'm not going to lose money on it, because that'll make me a stupid bastard.
Speaker 1:Let's have a conversation. Ash, I've got an offer for you, yeah yeah, but you're not an influencer. What is an influencer?
Speaker 2:This, is it?
Speaker 1:What is everyone's interpretation of an influencer? One's interpretation of an influencer? An influencer is someone that gets free tickets to thought park, stands there and takes selfies instead of goes on the rides. I did that. Got them from the sun newspaper a few years ago. I bet you went on the rides, except the scary ones oh, that's what is an, I guess, someone that influences people.
Speaker 2:Yeah probably.
Speaker 1:There's a fine line between creator and influencer in there. Yeah, I would. I would much rather be a creator than an influencer, I think. I think you'll have over a million followers. Alright, that cut deep Jesus. You've got over a million. I thought I'd throw that in there before you just start rolling it out.
Speaker 2:You didn't pay for it, but you've got influence. Goose, Like you could be an influencer and be spouting your bullshit on people. No, for me, influencers are Love Island types a big following overnight and they get brand deals and opening up a Wilco.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Wilco's not going anywhere, is it that might be where they went wrong?
Speaker 1:they paid Arj too much money to open it. They've got backgrounds. Can we have skinny Arj or fat Arj? Which one are we having this week? Do you know what right? There was this thing. Years ago, everyone used to say that I looked like him, and then, when I met him, we had a photo taken and we actually looked like brothers. Do you know?
Speaker 2:what I get. I get James Corden. I was in the Jumping Fun Inflatable theme park once with my daughters and these two girls come over. I come running over all geeky. Oh you prick daughters. And these two girls come over, come running over all giggling. Oh you prick, are you james corden? Because my mum up there and her mum was up there like all giggling, like waving. I was like no, I'm not james cord I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, james cordy got bored of hollywood. He wants to go to burgess hill jumping. Yeah, yeah, take three about 50 some socks yeah oh dear, oh dear. I mean, I'll let you know something right now I do actually much prefer you to James Corden.
Speaker 2:I don't know why he gets so much hate. I guess it's probably because I don't follow him. I don't, I like.
Speaker 1:James Corden yeah, we tend to disagree with a lot of people that we dislike. That's true. That's true. Youtube tends to say yes and I just say no and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2:He's never done anything wrong to me, so I don't hate him.
Speaker 1:I don't hate anyone, just don't like him. I don't hate him, I just don't particularly like him. I like James Corden. I've ripped off his interviewing style. I don't like Gavin and Stacey to be fair, because me and I have had to battle 5 million other people.
Speaker 2:Oh well, the subscribers have gone down from 2 to 1 yeah, mum, and dad have just switched off. Yeah, you don't like Gavin and Stacey. No, why don't you like Gavin?
Speaker 1:and Stacey.
Speaker 2:Just it's tough it's easy, it's not very commercialised. It's because everybody else likes it. I've never watched Game of Thrones no, I've watched it.
Speaker 1:I don't like it.
Speaker 2:I've never watched Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad.
Speaker 1:I'm quite a simple person. My favourite film is Kevin and Perry go large and not be what a film. I've watched it about 800 times. I only have to listen to one of the tracks and I can tell you the exact scene it's in is it an? Eyeball. When's the last time you watched it?
Speaker 2:though Morning Parade. Oh okay, I tried to watch it last summer and I was like I've definitely grown up. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Every lad's holiday I've ever been in. It's the first time you see anyone at Morning Parade. Morning Parade yeah, I've got a mate called Ted. He's Perry and I'm Kevin. I haven't missed passing.
Speaker 2:It was the best thing in the world, though, wasn't it Like Kevin and Perry Harry Enfield, little Britain and stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we were talking about that earlier, weren't we TV programmes? Why are we not allowed that have been just thrown out the window now, like Little Britain the sketch. I mean you can understand why some of the sketches in Little Britain are frowned upon now, but if you can't just handle a bit of comedy, don't watch it. Hang on a minute. I'm going to challenge you here. It's not gone away, dave. No, they have taken lots of Little Britain bits out of Little Britain when, about two, three years ago, it's still on TV Gold and stuff, I don't think it is Not the bits that you're thinking of, mate.
Speaker 1:They've all gone. Trust me. It's nowhere removed from Netflix now. I don't believe there's a cancel culture. There we go. That's a grenade. I don't believe there's a cancel culture. Have you been living under a rock? I can watch Trading Places tomorrow on Sky Movies. No, bother at all. What's Trading Places? Oh my God, des is making out. He's 52 again instead of 42 or whatever. He is. Shut up, boys. Do you know what I'm talking about when I say trading place?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, enlighten us.
Speaker 1:I do, I'm just bugging you off. Basically, I've never been more upset Trading place. Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy. Yeah, I do know what you mean. The N word is thrown out a lot. The F word for gay people is thrown out a lot. It's still all there. There's just a little line in the description saying dated comedy references. That's it. Yeah, but there won't be anything new current that's being filmed with any of it in there, will there? No, no, but things have changed, haven't they? Yeah, the cancel culture? No, it's not a cancel culture, Just people are more empathetic of other things oh, I don't think they're empathetic, don't you?
Speaker 2:no, I don't think it's an empathetic thing, I think it's a uh, people love it, people want to watch it.
Speaker 1:But everyone's scared to make it so what?
Speaker 2:what's been cancelled, then, was that you'll never see a program like harry enfield the chumps. We'll never see a program like little britain, come fly with me.
Speaker 1:No, but they're still on but those things are still on. Yeah, but they won't create them. Harry Enfield are chumps. You'll never see a programme like Little Britain. Come Fly With Me. No, but they're still on. But those things are still on. Yeah, but they won't create them anymore. Even like it Ain't Half Hot, mum, or Alf Garnet is still on, rising Damp is still on. They stopped making those years and years and years ago, didn't?
Speaker 2:they take the Inbetweeners off of.
Speaker 1:Netflix Summit Artists. Well, it's been taken off of something, but it's on Channel 4 every night, is it? Yeah, they literally do series one, two, three, then the films and then start getting circles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. I think that it's. Look, there's a lot of comedians that come out and say that you've got to worry. They never used to have to worry about their jokes. They never. Now I get it. Some comedians are a little bit over the line, but I choose not to listen to it because that's not my style of comedy this is.
Speaker 1:It, isn't it? If you go to see a comedian, it was wow, who did we see? The other week we saw someone, a really old comedian. My father-in-law loved him. Um, I can't remember his name, don't point at me trying to remember, but uh, he, a lot of his jokes are about a different race. So that way, um, if you know, if you know that's the comedian and you like that, go watch it. If you don't, don't, go watch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, but that's always been the way but yeah, but he, he's still there.
Speaker 1:Well, it's Jim Davidson. I'll just remember his name, but they've been trying to cancel him for fucking years. No, they haven't. He even said it himself on stage. Yeah, because he weren't cancelled. He was on stage, yeah, but, and he's on TV. He's on GB News all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I definitely think that there is. Whether it's a council culture or whether it's a, it's definitely something going on, because none of the funny sketch comedy shows that we all watched growing up. The kids of today will get to no.
Speaker 1:But at the same point. I mean you can go down the line of oh, do we only find it funny because we're not involved in the comical sketches? And then there's obviously other sexes and other races that are being used in those comic sketches to. No, I don't even necessarily agree with that. To be honest with you, mate, because you look at Eddie Murphy raw yeah yeah. What have you done for me, eddie? Fuck you. Funny man.
Speaker 2:I love that programme. Suck my dick.
Speaker 1:Eddie, I haven't seen that film. I'm going to watch it now. I'm going to watch it on the way. It's just Eddie Murphy on stage.
Speaker 2:You was butt naked on the back of a zebra. Yeah, it's like what she says. And foo-foo Half. Yeah, that's brilliant. We've not seen Eddie Murphy roll, that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the like. The red leather suit on stage, it's Baker the Eddie Murphy on stage Right, it's brilliant. But again, chris Rock, loads of Andy White gags, loads of Andy White gags. These guys are still going around. Yeah, so the we had Citizen Khan on. He was an Asian geezer taking the mick out of Asians. Yeah, there was loads of them. But there'll be comedies made today that in 20 years' time things would have changed and it wouldn't be happening.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll tell you what. Let's get a comedian on the show and ask them what they think about cancel culture.
Speaker 1:That is a good idea. That is a good idea, but I still haven't seen any proper examples of cancel culture, even Philip Schofield is still on TV.
Speaker 2:We nearly got cancelled after if we'd have put that episode out yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We might have been cancelled before we even got started, but I do agree there are things that are blown out of all proportion. Yeah, I don't agree that you should have pronouns on an email. No, I'm sorry, if your name is Dave, I'm going to guess that you are a dog.
Speaker 2:Good for that.
Speaker 1:My dog's name's Dave, by the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's mad. So, boys, this has been a bit of a random one, hasn't it? But I guess that's what happens when you sit in a car. What's next for you? What do you want to get out of this podcast Cancelled? No, we don't want to get cancelled.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry.
Speaker 2:Everything is on encrypted. Fucking drive mate.
Speaker 1:Just to prove me wrong, we could be cancelled.
Speaker 2:It's an encrypted drive. Everything goes on it. You need 16 different keys to get into it. Now come on serious question what do you want out of this bunker dogs?
Speaker 1:I want to show people what can be achieved.
Speaker 2:Look at Toys R.
Speaker 1:Us Toys R Us. Look at that, geoffrey was right, there's millions. I mean, it is boarded up. It is boarded up again. I expect there's still something in there. I'm amazed that's not a little. I'm not surprised it's boarded up, though where are we um middling over Felixstowe? Hello to all of our listeners from Felixstowe all one and a half of you.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? Half well, but right, what do I?
Speaker 1:want for this podcast. I want to show people what's achievable the whole thing that I've been doing for the last two, three years. If you want to start a podcast, start a podcast. You can do it from your kitchen. You could do it with two guys that you haven't really spoken to much in their life. I want to show anyone that with action, determination, resilience, You're doing a car while you get crushed by an arctic, yeah, cheers.
Speaker 1:That was outrageous. It's because we slagged off Felix, though Sorry, there's Gary, no, no, that's it, because this isn't just. Oh man, I sound like Chachi BT here. This isn't just a podcast for us, is it? No, this is going to be a business. Yeah, we've got lines in which we want to grow this and grow other arms to be successful, and you can do it from anywhere with a microphone and a camera.
Speaker 2:Well, look, we're in my old Audi with a camera attached to the windscreen. Do you know what I mean? Have we filmed a podcast? Yeah, we don't know how it sounds yet.
Speaker 1:with the roads and the suspension falling apart, it'll sound better it'll sound better than the one that we wouldn't have done if we didn't do it exactly that. Oh, that's nice exactly that for me.
Speaker 1:Mine's a lot more simple than that. Obviously I wanted to do a podcast on mental health before I met you. Horrible, too soon. I just want to just if I can just help one person in the next 12 months feel better about themselves. That would just give me enough fulfillment. Oh, yours is better than mine, sorry, sorry, mate, but that's who I am.
Speaker 1:You know, some of us are just nice. No, genuinely. I think the good thing about know some of us are just just nice no, genuinely, like. I think the good thing about the three of us doing it all together. And I could never have done what I couldn't. I would never have. I probably would have never have got off my lazy ass and done it in the first place. But I think the three of us together we've got so many different angles and so many different wants out of. We just need all the lovely people that are listening to tell other people about it, because without other people's help we're not getting anywhere, you know.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I genuinely think I wouldn't be sitting in this car with you two boys. I'd be at work today earning money if I didn't genuinely think that we were going to change people's lives as well as our own. At the end of the day, let's not forget that's it. Instead, you're with us spending money. We going to change people's lives as well as our own at the end of the day, let's not forget that's it. Instead, you're with us spending money. We want to change our own lives as well as well as other. So, yes, that's important to mention that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Like, obviously, I manifested the fuck out of this to the point where I built two podcast studios and never used them. And then obviously, there's phoned me up. I wasn't even there. There's phoned the girls up, said I want to come and look at your podcast studio. Two weeks before he did that, I told him right, we get rid of the podcast studio, we're going to turn it to a bigger area, a showroom. One thing Des rang for prices because I was getting rid of it. It was in the back of my mind. I said I'll send in prices, fleece in doing fucking whatever ever. And it was only when I picked up a phone and spoke to des and he told me what he wanted to do. I was like, well, hold on a minute here, save you hiring a podcast, let's do it together and have mine and that's sort of when. But, like I said, I've manifested. I've manifested this for so long now that I'm so happy that it's finally happening.
Speaker 2:And not it was always from the beginning. It was um, I want to make a shitload of money spouting my nonsense to other people. I'm only joking. I'm only joking. That was a joke, um, it was. It was all about helping other people. Now, when I started my little instagram journey, where I got 100 followers and and I was sort of taking people on a journey, and someone messaged me one day saying I never thought you'd be the person who helped me today, that was it for me. I was like I've got to keep doing this. It's a good feeling, isn't it? It is a wicked feeling. It is a wicked feeling, and I think there are a lot of podcasts out there and I love them.
Speaker 2:I love the Stephen Bartlett podcast. I love listening to Joe Rogan. I like podcast. I love listening to joe rogan. I like listening to intellectual people. But do you listen to mine? I have done. Yeah, oh, that's a handgun. That's very haslendy. I'm not intellectual, do you? I learned a lot about both of you two. It's just the one that I was on, though. I haven't had time to listen to any podcasts. I've been editing and I wrote in this one um, I just think it's really, it's really good to tell our story from the bottom as we go up. That's it.
Speaker 1:And I've got to say I believe in this podcast so much I'm quitting my other one, the other one that was number 11 in the charts and that I've been working on for two years, because I believe this one has got more to offer people. No, excuse me.
Speaker 2:You're getting a little emotional I am.
Speaker 1:I am Just driving through Ipswich. It makes me emotional High and close, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Stop it. I love how they painted that house a completely different colour to the one they painted.
Speaker 1:It's nice. It's nice how many houses they've got in a row without gaps. Oh dear, go on. Carry on with your emotion. Quick, quick, say something. Yeah, so the stuff that I've done on my podcast again was to say what could be done if you started with 200 quid from your own kitchen. What could you do? This is an extension of that, because we're going to carry on with that, because we want to inspire people that want to start our own businesses. But realistically, there's more and more people coming out of the woodwork saying there's no get rich quick scheme and if we can have some part in that revolution, I'm all over it and there's also so many people coming out and saying there is loads of get rich quick games.
Speaker 2:Sign up to my thing, pay me money and I guarantee you you'll be earning x amount of money in a week, is a piece of piss. Anyone can do it and I think there's some truth in that if you're the right person and let's find out why. Boys, because we are about to pull up to the film set. Anyway, if you got this far, thanks for listening. Sorry, this one was a little bit because we are about to pull up to the film set, woo-hoo. Anyway, if you got this far, thanks for listening. Sorry, this one was a little bit Random. Random, round and round and roundabouts. As we go round and roundabouts and round the houses.
Speaker 1:I will say if you want to see what we do in real life, we are going to be live at the Des Hamilton Roadshow. We are going to be sitting on a panel with lydia killian, who is a ridiculously brilliant manifestation confidence coach that helps you with your self-limiting beliefs and adapting your self-concept. Chris, I actually think that episode could be a one-to-one therapy session for you. I've already thought that that is going to be live, with a crowd. On top of all other stuff like amazon, fba, tiktok shop, general content creation. We'll put the tickets in the description 35 quid a pop. There we go. There's my plug. When is it? There's a good shout friday, the 30th of may, manchester tickets are 35 quid. And when I tell you that most people on the panel that are going to be there of May.
Speaker 1:Friday, the 30th of May, manchester Tickets are 35 quid, and when I tell you that most people on the panel that are going to be there will charge easily double that for an hour's worth of their time, you get five hours worth of them for 35 quid.
Speaker 2:How much are you paying me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, maybe we'll do.
Speaker 1:You get to drive me. Tickets are 40 to drive. Tickets are 45, clear.
Speaker 2:Anyway, we hope to see you there. Book the tickets. We've got big things planned for this podcast. We have already lined up some phenomenal guests, and I think you'll be surprised when you hear them. So am I Subscribe. Like us, follow us, share our stuff. Get in touch with us if you want us to answer any specific topics that are relevant to you at the moment. Anything in life you're going through, we'd love to be able to help, and that's it from us. Let's go shoot a film. Bye-bye layers.