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“Am I Failing As A Parent?” — Honest Chat About Toddlers, Tech & Tantrums
Parenting doesn’t break in straight lines—and neither do we.
Today we sit with the mess and meaning of raising kids in a world that moves too fast: a 3½-year-old flipping from cuddly to combative, a seven-year-old overwhelmed by karaoke lights, and those heavy days where dishes, deadlines, and “Daddy, play with me” all collide.
We talk about the moments that sting—“I hate you,” slammed doors, shop-floor tantrums—and what might be going on underneath. Home is where kids feel safest, so it’s where the biggest feelings land. That’s not failure; that’s attachment. What helped us: clear, predictable screen limits (without turning tech into the villain), swapping devices for modelling clay to unlock calm focus, short visual routines for mornings/bedtime, and repairing fast after blow-ups so trust grows faster than guilt. Along the way: neurodiversity, grief, flexible schools—and why no single “method” fits every child.
This isn’t a lecture; it’s a hand on your shoulder. If you’ve ever felt like a good parent having a terrible day, you’ll find yourself here.
Got expertise? We’d love a child-behaviour specialist to join a future episode.
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Hello everybody. Welcome to the Antile Podcast. God, this feels weird, mate. We're not in the studio sitting opposite each other. So I'm Ash. And I'm Chris. And I'm out in Spain and it's 24 degrees. And I'm in my studio, in my garage, and it's about three degrees. What do you want to talk about today, Chris? Because obviously this is a little bit off the cuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, this is an important one for me today, mate. I I think we need to talk about kids. Having kids, because I'm finding it really fucking hard at the moment having a kid. I'm not gonna lie. I've got a three and a half-year-old son for anybody that doesn't know. And at the moment, he has decided that he is gonna go from being the sweetest, nicest kids you've ever met to being the most horrible, spiteful, aggressive. I hate my dad. You're not my best friend. I don't want to talk to you, get out of my room, 13, 14-year-old that I've ever seen in my life. And it's so hard at the minute. So hard. And I can't be on my own. I can't be. I've gone to the nursery and I've spoken to the teachers. Is he like this at the nursery? No, he's just lucky at home with you. Well, what am I doing wrong?
SPEAKER_00:I thought you got any ideas? No, I don't think you're doing anything wrong, mate. Well, I had an incident the other night. Obviously, it's this is a lot for my kids to go through. And my seven-year-old, she's somewhere on the spectrum. She's like, yeah. But the other night we went out for, went up the road. We said, Right, let's go and have some dinner. It was just me, my seven-year-old, my 11-year-old, and my mum. And uh went up for dinner, walking up there, she's singing, she's skipping, she's happy. And all of a sudden we get there and there's a live singer on, or they were doing karaoke. Um and it was a sensory overload for her. She just like, no, crossed her legs on the table, didn't want to do anything, then she ran away, then she came back, and then she ran away, and then she just didn't want to be there. So we've ordered the food, we've got the food. We got them to put hers in a Tupperware dish and brought it home. As soon as we got back to the house, she sat down next to me on the sofa eating her spaghetti bolognese. Daddy, would you like some? Yeah. I was like, sorry, what? You're a different kid than you were 20 minutes ago.
SPEAKER_01:It's um I've got I've read so much stuff. Like, obviously, when you go when you when you just I just want to like I just want to be a good dad. That's all you want to be in life, isn't it? You want to be a good dad and a good husband. And uh, I've let I've looked online, I've researched loads of stuff about kids' behaviour and stuff, and and it's totally normal, but you just I feel so isolated, I feel like I'm the only one that's deal dealing with it all the time. You know, obviously, like Sam's Sam's had her operation, she's been sort of out of action for three weeks now. Thankfully, she's back on the men now and she's she's helping me out. But being a dad and a mum and a a friend and a cook and a cleaner and and everything that everybody has to do as a as a single person, like, first of all, I take my hats off to anybody that raises children on their own, mate, because fuck me, it is hard work. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I always used to say, like, my mistress was like, I used to love taking the kids to school once a month. She's like, and then I think she was in hospital, she was ill. I had to do it for a week. I was like, this is hard. This is this is really hard.
SPEAKER_01:You don't realise, dear, you don't actually realise how much makes you quite appreciative, like, of actually what goes on when you're at work. I know I'm obviously working from home all the time now, so I'm I'm at home and I see a lot of it, but until you're actually in the shoes and you're doing it yourself, so well, hang on a minute, like, I've got to get up at half five in the morning, I go into the studio, come in here at six o'clock, do a two-hour live till eight. I'm back in the house. She's managed to get herself out of bed and bring him downstairs and give him his breakfast, and then he's on me instantly. Daddy, play with me, and then I've got to load the dishwasher, I've got to put the washing on, I've got to clean the house, I've got to play with him, I've got to make his lunch, I've got to feed me, I've got to feed Sam, and then I've got to make dinner, and then I've got to tidy up all his mess, and then I've got to do more washing in the evening and load the dishwasher back up again. Then I've got to go live at eight o'clock because that's my job, eight till twelve midnight, and then I'm back up at half five again the following day. And it's like, how do I don't know how people deal with it, mate, honestly. Like, I've found it a real struggle, real, real struggle, but it's his behaviour. I know he's obviously only playing up because of Sam, obviously not being able to do things and seeing her poorly, but oh, mate, honestly, it's it's been it's been tough. It's been tough. Like, I know, I know you're you're obviously going through some serious issues over there at the moment. And I and I kind of feel like I'm moaning about something that's not really worth moaning about, but it is, it's I won't lie, mate. I've he's forced me to tears this week.
SPEAKER_00:Really? It's not like the other night when Ella did that, like, I was just like, what have I done so wrong? And then you've got to realise though that they don't they don't have the knowledge that we have, they don't have the life experience that we have, and every single kid is different. Like, look at look at my look at my three. Like, I've been in Harvey's life since he was four years old. Now he used to have what we used to call demo fits. His literally his eyes were just fucking glass over. Yeah. And that was it. I remember once my missus, my missus popped a disc in her back because she was trying to restrain him. Um one morning, I mean, the kids now, what was he then? Second, first year of primary school, what are they then? Six? Like four teachers had to restrain him. And he just went. Yeah. And you get to the point where you're like, I can't deal with this anymore. What do you do? And now he's 17, he's just come out here to Spain with us, with his mate, and he's a lovely kid. He's turned into a lovely kid because we never gave up. Yeah. And I think that's quite important, is there gets to a point where you're just like, I'll walk away. My hands are this little shit. Yeah. Yeah. And you give up. And then you've got Isla, who's 11, who's fantastic. She has never, she wouldn't, she won't swear, she won't do anything wrong. She gets really upset if she doesn't do her work properly. And then you've got Ella, who is just her own person, and she's so stubborn. She don't want to. I just said to her, Do you want to go to the shops? Because it's Halloween tonight, we're gonna go out, try and have a bit of fun with the kids, dress up and that, I've got a little mask to put on. And I said, Do you want to go to the Halloween shop show? No. I said, You have literally lied in that bed all day. It's beautiful, sunny outside, and you've just lied in bed all day. Like what? But it's like her coping mechanism.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And if we decide that we're gonna be like, right, you take the phone away, no YouTube, no roadblocks, no nothing, she'd just be miserable. And it's like, what'd you do? What's right and what's wrong?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the hard thing is, it's it's it's everything around them, isn't it? Like Cruiser's got a Cruiser's got a little Amazon tablet. We bought it for him when we went on holiday so he could have something on the plane just to sort of everyone else on the plane didn't have a screaming kid. And he knows he's got that iPad. I hate him having it. Like Sam gives it to him in the mornings when she's having a shower if I'm not around, just to obviously make him sit on the bed and just be chilled for a minute so she can have five minutes peace to have a shower. But it's like everything around the kids, it's teaching them to sit around and do everything, isn't it? You know, like sit on your iPad, sit on your phones, just it's you you they're losing all that ability to actually communicate properly as well. And I don't know, obviously with Cruz, he's three and a half, so he hasn't actually developed that part of his brain where he can regulate his emotions. So the other night, Tuesday night, he was fine. Took him upstairs, got him in the bath, nice little bath, got him out, right? Brush your teeth in, bang. One hour of pure, pure anger, chaos, hit me, slapped me, tried to bite me, and I'm like, where's this come from? You've never been in this kid, you know, and you're just thinking, what am I doing wrong? Why am I being told that he hates me? Like, I get out of my bedroom. It's three and a half year old, he shouldn't be saying things like that, you know. Like, where's he learning all that stuff from? Because we don't talk to him like that. We've never spoken to him like that. So he just kind of just makes you feel like a failure all the time.
SPEAKER_00:It's just so hard. Yeah. No, I have it with my misses though, obviously. Harvey's been through like hated school, didn't want to go to school. And she used to have days like that. I'm failing him. I'm actually failing my kid. And I was like, you're not. You're not. You're doing everything you're you're doing everything that you think's right. There is no right or wrong way to be a parent. And there's people that are.
SPEAKER_01:I suppose it's low-wide people make so much money, isn't it? So much there's so many people out there that make money by making e-books and stuff about being a parent because people fall for it. You know, there is no right away bringing a kid up. Your kids are completely different to my kids, and the person that writes the book, their kids are gonna be completely different to everyone else's. But when you get to that desperate point of, I need my kid to be good, I want my kid to be perfect, you're gonna take anything from anybody to try and help you out, and yeah, so that's why people go and buy all those books and stuff, I suppose. Yeah, I just think should we write an e-book on parenting? I think that'd be a great idea. Yeah, we can do it. It's just gonna be black. Listen to this podcast, mate. No one's gonna want to lose my book, are they?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, but like I think it would be blank, it'd be one page, it'd be like, right, the rest is just a notebook for you to just swear in. Yeah, which is the end of the night. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You wanted to say to your child today that you didn't.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's a brilliant book. We'll uh we'll get it on Amazon, bestseller. And the title would just be There is no right or wrong way. Like a lot of things in life, though, there's no right or wrong way to do things. It's the way that works best for you. Do you know what I mean? I I I don't know. I don't know. It'd be interesting.
SPEAKER_01:Anyone that's listening right now, if you do me a favour, just can you just like just comment on the podcast this week or something and just let me know that I'm not on my own. Because it does, it does. When you go through it, it makes you feel like you're on your own. You feel like you look, you walk through Sainsbury's and everyone's kids are perfect, you know, they're old nans and they're all happy and Larry. And you get to the car park, try and put your boy in the car and he kicks off because he doesn't want to go in there, and you feel like everyone's staring at you. You want to put him in the trolley to walk around the shops and he's not having any of it, or you're in the shop and he wants a toy and you say no, so he kicks off. And like, I don't know whether it's embarrassment of being a failure or embarrassment of just people staring at you because your kids being an absolute nightmare in town or whatever, but I can't I can't be the only person that deals with that, surely.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think you are, mate, and I think like obviously mine are a bit older than yours now, and obviously you've got older kids.
SPEAKER_01:If you look at it. Yeah, but I I forget, I forget it all, forget the process, everything, everything just seems like a decent non-memory to me, to be fair. So I can't I can't remember any of it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I no, because I don't think there's a right or wrong way, mate. I don't know. I think you've got to sort of take it on the chin, and I don't know, like you see a lot of people, and I think being a parent is a blessing. And you've got to be, you've got to talk, like talk to your partner, talk to your wife, talk to your friends, talk to your girlfriend, like calmly and subtly around your kids. You see all these little kids that are they're not kicking off because they're three and they don't understand the world, and they're calling people cunts at 11 years old in the shop. Monkey see, monkey do, isn't it? Yeah, and that's it, and that's the thing. It's like you don't a dog doesn't a dog's not an aggressive dog unless you train it to be an aggressive dog. Now, I'm by no means saying that my kids are dogs, but they they do monkey see, monkey do, isn't it? And it's if you're yeah, like you yeah, you see a lot of these down and out. I'm not gonna go into it because I know a few of them. But I don't think there's a right or wrong way, mate. I don't think you're doing anything wrong. As long as you're you're there, do you know what I mean? You're gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01:They do say they say that kids obviously they they play out more at home because they feel more safe to let out their emotions. So I'm kind of I'm kind of using that as just a little safety blanket at the moment, mate, that keeps me warm when it when I'm going through hell with him, to be fair.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, like Ella, when when Ella was at nursery, yeah. The nursery, we used to tell her what she did at home, and the nurse, she was like, nah, that's not her. Nah, no, no, that's not her. And then when she was going from nursery to school, they were like, look, we need her to count from one to ten, and we need her to do her ABCs. She could do it, she'd do it. She'd be over there now going counting to ten, like it's fun, and then doing ABCs. You say to her, right, I need you to count to ten for me. She'll be like, uh, one, two, five, three. No, that's and she'd think it's funny.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And if you ask them to do something, if you ask her to do something, she won't do it, but she's perfectly capable of doing it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what she was like. Um and that's what she will always be like, and I will never change her. She knows her mind, and it's been tough sometimes, and especially when you're in a restaurant and she's storming off up the road in a foreign country, and you're like, I've got to get her, because you never know. But I don't know, man. I just think uh I just think you've got to do your best at all times.
SPEAKER_01:It's just hard, it's hard, isn't it? It's just you you feel like you're doing your best, and then all of a sudden you just feel like you're not. And what else do you do to do your best if you're just trying your best? It's like he's got he's got this thing at the moment. I mean, it's quite funny, but it's not funny at all. You ask him to do something, he goes, Nope. I mean, where's he got that from? It's three and a half. Nope. It's like, no, come on, mate. Like, just just just get dressed. Nope. And then he runs off into the hallway and like goes and starts playing with his toys or whatever. It's it's so hard.
SPEAKER_00:So hard. I think there'd be a lot of parents that resonate with this. Do you know what I mean? You see these people.
SPEAKER_01:I kinda wanted to do it, mate, to be fair, because there's like if I'm going through it at the moment, I'm sure there is other people. You're obviously dealing with things out there with the kids as well, aren't you? So and to be quite honest, you're in Spain, I'm in England. We didn't we didn't really have much to talk about this week, did we? Because we haven't had much communication, to be fair, for obvious reasons. So um, it was something that we could talk about that we knew that peace people would actually listen to as well.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I just and I think it's real, innit? Like we when we said we do this podcast, we talk about the real shit that's going on in our lives, and that is something that's going on in our lives. And I know you're not alone. Um, I've had days where I'm like, what am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong? Why like I've not bought my kid up to act like that, to be like that. Why are they being like that? But because they're independent, it's them showing their independence. Like Ella would go, bruh, bruh, oh bruh, bruh. And I'm like, no, shut up. Dad, have you taken out the garbage? I'm like, no, the trash. The trash. But they when we were kids, we didn't have technology, did we? No. Didn't have it. And I think it plays, yes, I agree with like Isla is so intelligent because she was doing colours and numbers through watching things on YouTube, the colours and numbers at a very, very young age. So in some ways, them having technology is good for them because it's that it's helping them advance. But then in other ways, that like when Ella's on the phone, she's like this, and you're talking to her, you're going, Ella, Ella, do you want a thousand pounds? Ella, do you want a grand? Ella, do you want me to buy you a Lamborghini? And she's just and you're like, right, oi, kid. So what did you say? And it's bad, and I hate it. But uh before we became away, before this all happened to the family, um, I'd put a screen time, screen time on an iPad, um, so she can have half an hour of YouTube, half an hour of robot probe Robox every day. And she's quite creative in her robots because she builds things and stuff, and she was building houses and all sorts. And we put a screen time thing on, and it was going really well. And then obviously, all this happened, and she sort of went inside herself and I took it off. Now, in hindsight, I I should have left it on. Yeah, and now I've told her that when we come home next week, those screen times are going back on. You get you can have 15 minutes and 20 minutes or whatever, and we're staying with it, and it's strict because you've got to integrate with what's going on around you. Like there's nine of us now in the house.
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SPEAKER_00:Because my my wife's out here, my brother's out here, my sister-in-law's out here, Harvey's out here with his mate. There's nine of us, and she's just quite happy sitting in a room by herself. Yeah. Is that right or is that wrong? There'll be people screaming at me, going, take the fucking devices off of her, take the devices off of her. But there's just there is no right or wrong way. There is no right. Like, my 11-year-old has really, really dealt with this. Missing her friends, it's like she's she's the first bit of secondary school, and we've just taken her out for a month. Yeah. Like, because of what's happened. But she's been doing the work, she's been talking to her teachers on technology, and she's been able to FaceTime her friends. Have the school been alright with it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, they were all right. That period of time. I suppose you're on half-time anyway, aren't you, at the moment?
SPEAKER_00:So Yeah, we are. At first, she was like, Well, the protocol says that uh you get three days. And I was like, Yeah, but this isn't normal. Do you know what I mean? Isla was the kids were so close with their granddad. And I just said to her, I said, look, do what you've got to do. Do what you've got to do. They're my kids, they're not your kids, and you're not going through it, you're not living it. You have no idea what this is like. So it's and then eventually they spoke and they spoke, and they wanted them back on after half term on the third. And we just replied and said, Look, flights coming back on the second are£250 each. There's nine of us. Flights coming back on the fourth are 60 quid each. So she'll be back in school on the fifth. But she's good, she's got like she's Isla's got the like the best marks. She's got all positive marks, all the lessons. She's won awards for a Spanish. And she went to a Spanish lesson with my mum. My mum's been doing Spanish.
SPEAKER_01:Mate, I'm gonna interrupt you. If you just moved your camera so you've got that only bit of blue sky above your head right now, so it's like a perfect clearing above your head of just pure sunshine and then clouds on each side of you.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, look, you're right.
SPEAKER_01:I'm on the top floor, I'm on the balcony on the top floor. Oh, nice. That looks quite blue over there, to be fair.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Bit cloudy that way.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, a bit cloudy. Shall I refocus the camera?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look. Much, much stand here like this. Aesthetically pleasing that way, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Just stand here like this. Um, there's no right or wrong way, Chris, is there?
SPEAKER_01:No. I guess.
SPEAKER_00:There's no.
SPEAKER_01:There's nothing about you. I just want there to be. I just w I just wanna I just wanna read something that says, Chris, you're doing a good job. Like, just don't worry, it'll all be alright. But Lincoln, mate.
SPEAKER_00:Listen, yeah. I've met Cruz. I'm gonna give you that now. I'm gonna give it to you. I've met Cruz, he is a lovely little lad. He's kind and he's polite. You're doing a good job. That's all you need. There are three and a half year olds. Would you rather he was kicking and screaming because you wouldn't buy a toy? Would you rather he was going, oh dad, look at that over there in the supermarket?
SPEAKER_01:Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:So I think you don't beat yourself up over it. It's so easy to do, isn't it, in life? Like we beat ourselves up. Like me, I'm beating myself up because I'd give my kid a fucking iPad and she sat in her room hibernating like a crab. But I think when I was her age, we had like we had different technology. We had like a Nintendo. We were playing Donkey Kong and Mario.
SPEAKER_01:Let alone be able to click a button and it'd be instant, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And no kids are the same.
SPEAKER_01:I know you're not that old actually. Sorry, I'm talking about my own childhood. Commodore 64 was my one. Yeah, it was. It was Commodore 64, used to put the tape in. Used to put the tape in after school, go downstairs, get changed, go downstairs, have some food, bit of dinner, come back up, be halfway through loading, have a bath, then you could play five minutes of it as it loaded up before you go to bed.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I don't I don't know, man. I think life's changing, isn't it? And the stuff that's available to the kids is changing. Um, and all these big corporations are money ties monetizing the fact that our kids love and sit there on technology.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I I don't know. I think it's it's a very hard age to bring up kids. Like Harvey's Harvey's 17, he's out on his own. The other day he was in Camden at the market buying stuff, and you just like it's so worrying. And you're checking, you're like, Are you alright? Is everything alright? Like, you're not being stabbed yet because you're in London. And then you've got two daughters growing up, and you're like, fuck. Whereas back in the day, like I think we've said it on the podcast before, we've said back in the day, the only way you could talk to your mates, the only way someone could bully you was either in person at school or MSM Messenger, which you can switch off. Yeah. You can't switch your socials off, or kids won't, will they? And I think we're in a very, very, very different uh what's the word? Like different uh age. Completely different than what we was when we grew up, or when e even five years ago, if you if you had a kid five years ago, think it's completely different now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. What they have access to. On a different note, you just reminded me the alien spaceship never arrived yesterday, did it?
SPEAKER_00:Oh mate, I wanted to talk about this.
SPEAKER_01:I've really we'll save it, Shimon, we'll save it for another episode. We'll save it for another episode. I I even sat up, I I I I finished my live last night and sat in the garden for 20 minutes at midnight to see if I could see it, but wasn't there.
SPEAKER_00:I've um 10.9 for a couple of days, and my old man being the craftsman he was, we've got a telly here that is like in a concealed unit with a hydraulic lift on wheels. Yeah. So the kids had the telly. I was like, you know what, kids, I'm having the telly tonight. You can watch your iPads or something. And I put the telly in the room and I watched that um Brian Cox for like for like two hours.
SPEAKER_01:I bet you're the right old mess head when after that. He wrecks in my head when I start listening to him. Can't go, I can't watch him.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man. And I'm like, now my whole algorithm on TikTok is free I atlas. And I'm like, what do you think? You should be excited if it's alien life form, or would you shit your page? Well, it depends whether they come in lasers or whether they come with love, doesn't it? I suppose I was watching Danny Dyer, watching the Dyer.
SPEAKER_01:They'd probably do a U-turn and go away back home, mate, without even saying anything. That's probably why I didn't turn up yesterday. They probably came in the night and thought, nah, stop this.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Let's go home. Yeah, I was watching the Danny Danny Dyer and Danny Dyer's clips from their podcast earlier, and he's like, yeah, yeah. I um hopefully they come and take me and give me an anal. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. It's quite for me. I've I don't know. We're not the only fucking living. Of course we don't.
SPEAKER_01:Of course we don't. You have to be very naive if you look up at the sky at night and think, nah, we're the only life form, but that's another one for a different day, is it?
SPEAKER_00:It is, it is. Well, we'll see what happens, mate. We'll see what happens. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We've got a hang on, what's that above your head?
SPEAKER_00:Uh that's the uh waiter bringing me another beer, mate. Oh, don't be like that.
SPEAKER_01:One thing I haven't done though, I've not turned to alcohol this week, I must admit. I've not I've not had uh I've not been forced to drink because of his behaviour. So I have. Although I did have far too much on Saturday night and probably couldn't drink anyway this week, to be fair. Really? Oh god, I have.
SPEAKER_00:It's like, oh, it's 12 o'clock, it's time for a beer. Nice. Um I've drunk quite a lot. I hate it. Last night, obviously, everyone else turned up. We were playing Uno round the table, and the wine just stopped probably three and a half euro in a bottle. It's different out there as well, doesn't it? It's not like it doesn't hit like it does over here. Yeah, but when no one was here, I was alright, I might have had like had a couple, we'd go out, we'd go walk up the street, just up the road there, and uh sit down and have a couple of pints, or not share a job of sangria with my mum. So I went but yeah, do you know what we did, yeah? Talking about kids, we went up there that night we went up there and she was like, nah, I don't want to be here, I'm kicking off, I finally died, and she was like, So when we went up there, sorry, a couple of nights after, we said, right, no technology. And they took, we've been to the little out here they have like hypermarkets, Chinese shops everywhere, and you can get everything in them. We bought them for modelling clay, and they got a carrier bag with their modelling clay, and they both sat there playing absolutely lovely, making pumpkins and skeletons and Halloween stuff. Yeah. And it we had such a lovely evening. It was like completely flipped from the time before because of technology.
SPEAKER_01:And I think that's a big thing. The sad reality is as well, it doesn't take long to take them away from it and then actually to realise that life is much more enjoyable without it. That is the sad, that is the sad part about it. We you know, I've I've seen it in my own eyes from nephews and stuff on holidays, you know, you take them away from phones and stuff, and they actually interact with you, they socialise, they start talking to you about things that they wouldn't normally talk to you about, and they actually turn into really nice human beings rather than these kids that just sit there and and don't speak, you know, it's it's it is a sad reality, but it's the way of life, isn't it? If you don't let your kid have all that stuff when they go to school, everyone laughs at them for not having it. So what'd you do? You you pfft it's tough, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00:I think there's there's there's a thing like obviously you you're spending it might be, you know, because you're like I remember when we first started doing this podcast, you were still working and you were leaving the house at six and getting home at six or whatever he was doing then. So you were his best mate then because you were never around. It's like my kids love me because I'm not with them every single day. Yeah. And the fact now that you're there every single day, it's like a show.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Like you asked phone back here then, didn't you? So I can have a day out back in the studio. I'm blaming you. So ever since you've been over in Spain.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, mate. Yeah. Oh, don't. It's uh it's gonna it's gonna be tough getting on that plane going back to reality. But it is gonna be hard. But it needs to be done, unfortunately, doesn't it? Yeah, that's it. Life must go on, the show must go on, the podcast must go on, the business must go on, and it's uh Do you know what, mate? It's getting easier every day. It is getting easier every day, it's still gutting. Don't get me wrong, it's still gutting. Like I fixed the uh he had a problem with his pull filter. And I know I'm going off on a tangent here, this isn't about kids, but he had a problem with his pull filter, which he was gonna get done, and I did it the other day. And I was so like gutting that I couldn't phone him and say, Dad, I've done that for you. Yeah, done that. Like, and it's like fuck. Fuck. And yeah, but uh and spend more time with your kids. Do you know what I mean? Like we we live in our phone.
SPEAKER_01:That's kind of exactly why I give the job up on it, so I could be at home with him. So even though I even though I'm hating every minute of it at the moment, I'm not hating it. I love it, I do love it. I I you know I love the fact that he calls me in the mornings and he wants me to play with him every single millisecond of the day. And if I don't, he kicks off at me. Because it obviously he's kicking off because he wants to play with me, you know, it's not because he doesn't love me, and it's it's just the way it obviously all just pans out, but you're right, so so right. We kind of take everything for granted, don't we? As well as our kids, to be fair.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, and I think you do you know what I mean? You might have a week. You're you're look you're you're well, because we've recorded this, you might watch this podcast in six months' time and be like, oh, it was only a thing. Just a thing. It was just a thing. It was just a right, it's a couple of days where he's uh just changing. I don't know. When the kids get hormones, when the kids get like do you know what I mean? You'll have a bad day. You'll have a bad day, and you'll row with Sam over nothing, you'll row with your mate over nothing, you get pissed off with me because I haven't, it's fucking Friday now and we haven't recorded a podcast, and one goes out on Tuesdays. Is that a dig of my voice done this morning, is it? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, do you know what I mean? We all have bad days and we'll have bad good days, and kids are no different, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they just don't know how to control their emotions a bit less than a bit more than we do, do we, I suppose.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's it. Like, I don't know. I don't know, man. We all have good days and bad days, and I think we've got to remember so will our kids. They'll have a good day at school, then they'll have a bad day at school. They'll be tired. He might be tired, he might not be sleeping properly because of the frequency of the aliens. Because that's what we're saying as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it could be it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know what I mean? Uh there could be something going on. He might be worried about something. He might be worried about something. Yeah, that's it. And he's finding a way to deal with it that works for him. I don't know, man. My my kids have been all over the place, obviously, the last couple of weeks. One minute they're happy as Larry, the next they're crying, the next they're angry, the next they're like you've fed them a load of speed and they're running around like idiots. And it's just don't beat yourself. I hope you don't do that. I hope you I hope you don't of course I don't give my kids speed. MM's Maybe MM's a cheap chop there at the Chinese shops. Do you know what I mean? But I don't don't beat yourself up and any other parents listening, like don't beat yourself up. Just make sure you're doing your best. Don't don't shout at your kids and swear at your kids and like in an aggressive manner. Don't like I just think Yeah. Just fucking they might be having a bad day, you might be having a bad day. And you're like energy, isn't it? Like I think I believe a lot in this whole energy thing. Oh god, my leg's bleeding now because I just scratch one of my bites.
SPEAKER_01:Um well that's lovely. I think I think that's probably a good point to wrap it up, Ash, to be fair.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I need to go back to the body.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't know about anybody else that may be watching this, but I'm quite sick of seeing the sunshine in the background. So um quickly note, guys. Obviously, we're looking for guests all the time to come on the podcast. I think this would be a good opportunity for me to say if there is anybody listening that is a behavioural expert for kids or anything like that, we'd love to get you on and have a chat about about this this uh because I think it would be beneficial to other people as well. Maybe maybe there is one listening, maybe there isn't, but you know, if if if you know of anyone, maybe maybe point us in the right direction, we could have a chat with somebody, and I think it would bring benefit to especially me, but obviously everyone listening as well.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, everyone. Like, do you know what I mean? We only know what we die. There'd be experts in this field, and now we've done this, I've broken the one rule that I never said I'd break and go digital, digital podcasting. Yeah, um, but we have to do it. We'll do it from we'll be doing it from our car next. Yeah, yeah, we'll do it from our car. I'd do it from the bus I've got out here, yeah. Really clickety clankity rackety groom. You won't be able to hear what I'm saying. You'll just hear the suspension going all the time. But yeah. No, and people, we've we've got the untold phone. Obviously, it's back in the studio. I haven't checked it, so there could be a load of messages on it. Um the phone number is 07511 272459. If you want to come on as a guest, if you've got a story to tell that's real and you're willing to get into the nitty-gritty, like the episode last week, people have said, like we would we both said earlier, we were a bit reluctant to release that, but people have said it's the best episode yet for its own reasons. So we're just trying to get better, Chris, aren't we? It's all we can do, mate. All we can do.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Nothing get better with your help though, guys. So if you're listening right now, we need your help.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Right, and talking about kids, I've got to take mine to the fancy dress shop to get some more Halloween stuff for tonight because they're not happy with their costumes.
SPEAKER_01:And mine I've got to go and let out of the cupboard under the stairs because I've just been recording a podcast.
SPEAKER_00:Right, peeps. That's been another episode of the Untold Podcast. Next one, we should be back together in the studio. So, yeah, I'll see you soon. Take care, guys. Take it easy, Chris. Take it easy, brother.