S6 – Ep 11 | 1975 Album Picks - Roots Reggae Meets Folk - Dig It or Dump It & Either/Or

This week, Craig and Kevin turn their attention to 1975, digging into two albums that deserve far more love in the larger music conversation.

Craig shines a light on Burning Spear’s Marcus Garvey, a towering reggae statement packed with spiritual weight, political urgency, and some of the most powerful roots grooves of the decade. Kevin counters with Ted Lucas’ self-titled album, a beautifully understated blend of folk, psych, blues, and soul that feels like a hidden treasure waiting to be rediscovered.

From there, Craig puts Kevin in the hot seat with a fresh round of Dig It or Dump It, tossing out a mix of artists, music styles, and wild-card picks to see what lands — and what gets tossed aside.

To close things out, the guys wrap with Either/Or, bringing 10 selections each and forcing the other to make the call. As always, the choices come quick, the reactions come honest, and a few tough decisions make for some great debate.

From roots reggae to lost folk gems to rapid-fire music picks, this episode covers a lot of ground.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Schizophrenic Music is a signal syndicate production.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Hello and welcome to Prince Music. This is Kevin, and I'm here with Craig. Hey man. Hey, how's everybody doing? Thank you for uh for joining us. We're gonna talk a little music. I don't know, have beer. Let's see what else is going on. So Craig, what you got going on?

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Hey man, I'm I'm excited about today. I'm excited about having some beer. It's been a while. I haven't had uh haven't had a beer in a week. Now that being said, I've had a lot of whiskey, but I haven't had a beer in a week. So um it's nice to to to fall back on uh old faithful. I love me some beer. So um I guess speaking of what what do you have?

SPEAKER_01 1:06

You know, I went to the store and uh when I'm at the grocery store, it's like I'm getting I'm getting frustrated. I mean there's good they have good beers there, but it's the same, you know. I'm like, okay, I'm grabbing the same thing I'm always grabbing. I need to go somewhere else. But I saw this uh Rheingeist. Oh, I haven't had that one. Uh Cincy made, so it's a Cincinnati brewery, and it's called Juicy Truth. So hazy juicy IPA.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Have not had, I've only had a I think it's a fall beer from Rheingeist. I haven't had anything else from them, so that's cool. Um, I've got one from your neck of the woods, it's my last one. This was the BOGO that I got at the beach, but I got the founders, the mortal bloom.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Yes, good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

I had to go back for it, man. Either that or repeat what I did the other day with a little Gate City uh fast fjord. All right. You want to count us down? I'm gonna try to get I'm gonna try to get it close to the mic here. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

We'll try here. Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Oh, dude, that was like I could tell in real time that was like perfectly synchronized. That was awesome. Love it. I'm excited about this Rheist. Um we were in where did we come? We were coming back from Michigan. We went to visit Becca's sister-in-law, and we stopped in Cincinnati. We didn't go to Rheingist, we went to another one. It was really good. It was a good food, great beer selection. They had a great um winter IPA. Anyway. All right, man. I got uh I got a little uh triple C uh glass here from Charlotte. Cheers.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

Cheers.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Happy to get your verdict, happy to get your verdict on that beer.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

I'll get into it a little bit more and let you know more, but yeah, I'd I would approve. I don't know if it's knocking me over off that first drink, but you know, I think it's good.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

We just came came from I sent you a text earlier about like cheers. We were at Mean King. We haven't been there. Mean King's a local brewery here in Chattanooga, right down the street from us. Um, we haven't been there in like three, maybe four months. It's been a long time. They were like, whoa, where you been? So had a couple, but um this is good, man. Uh you can't go wrong with little founders, founders just doesn't they don't do stuff. Okay. Um dealer's choice. You know, anytime the either one of us kick the show off, we give that person the option to do what they want to do. Um got some stuff for you, got our normal little quiz topics thing for for you. I'm sure you probably have something for me. Would you rather go with that or the album?

SPEAKER_01 4:17

How about just go with the album, I guess, if that's gonna be the album, I guess. I'm still like waffling on my album. I'm uh, you know, there's like one that I just want to go with, but then it's like, should I but yeah, we're just gonna go that way.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

I'm pretty predictable with mine, I'll go ahead and say, but uh we'll we'll refresh the listener coming in for the first time. We have been doing an exploration of 1960 to 2025, so 1960 to present aside from this per current year, and we're doing underrated, overlooked, or both albums that we find uh fall in that category. Um, and this week the year is 1975. 75. If you're still waffling, I can go first. But if you're not, if you'll go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

I think I got it, but go ahead and go first. You're good.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Okay, so my dude mine is predictable. I want to surprise you with something. You already know this album. You already know my love of this artist and his band, and that is Burning Spear, Marcus Garvey. This album is this album is remarkable. This is just stellar, stellar roots reggae. This is his first real big album. I think this at this point is his third album or second album. Excuse me for not knowing that right off the top, but um, because I have a couple of his um, he has one called Rockin' Time that's really good. It's definitely an earlier album, but this this is really his signature album, and it and uh it kind of spearheaded a very organic, very I mean, you can kind of tell from the cover, it's kind of like a tribal um roots reggae feel to it. Marcus Garvey uh being uh somebody that is very much championed, a former slave. Um, and it that is very heavy in this album. This is one of those albums that if you truly listen to lyrics, it's not something that you sit back and drink a cocktail to. It's you know right the the backbeat to it, the backbone to it, but you know, Marcus Garvey in itself, the opening track, and then the you know, the second song, Slavery Days, when he asks, Do you remember the days of slavery? You know, it's a heavy album. He doesn't mince words with it. It's it's so awesome, though. It is Winston Rodney is one of my favorite all-time reggae artists. Uh, he is Burning Spear. Um, it's remarkable, it's just remarkable roots reggae. Um, it's something you can put on. If you can listen to this kind of in the background, you can very much enjoy it on the beach, which we definitely do. Um, but just know the lyrical content. If you really dig in deep into it, it's um, you know, it's pretty dark. Uh and it talks about some some heavy themes. Uh, but there's some upbeat stuff too. Resting uh place, the last song is is definitely kind of a nice reprieve. Um, Jordan River is a great song. The whole album is just amazing. I love all of his stuff. I kind of start started with uh social living, and now I'm like two or three albums after this. Um, I love all of Burning Spears stuff, I really do. But uh, this is kind of like his scud of grass. This is a masterpiece. So 1975, Burning Spear, Marcus Garvey. Can't go wrong.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

Yeah, that's good. That's I mean, that's an excellent. I would definitely I can't beat that when I'm trying to pull something up here, but excuse me. Yeah, good stuff for sure. So I I waffled a little bit because there's one I don't want to be like just a total uh, you know, I don't want to totally just pick the same artist or the same style of artist. There's a bunch of like uh there are a bunch of great Zamrock albums released that year, 1975. I mean, there's I mean Witch is in there, I think Lazy Bones is in there, Ricky Alangia, I think Amenaz, which was that you know considered 75, I believe, as well.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

I mean, it's like and all of that is underrated and overlooked, you know. I mean, the whole genre. I mean, Blackfoot has one in there, the all the that not that Blackfoot, the Zamrock Blackfoot. There's like six or seven albums, you know, Zamrock albums I should have picked, but I can I don't want to uh totally do that. So this guy that I discovered on one of those on a playlist, and we've talked about him, and we and I feel like I'm going in the but then I don't want to go Zamrock all the time, but I will talk about it any chance I get. If you don't listen to Zamrock, go check it out. Music from Zambia in the 70s, can't beat it. But uh agreed. But uh musician that we've mentioned, I think when we were talking about some of the other artists that we've done. I feel like I keep on going back to bulk guys as well, or guys like that. We were discovering these people, but there's a playlist that I came across, it's a numero group playlist. It's called Sunday morning coming down, and it's a great Sunday morning playlist. I mean, it's got all kinds of cool stuff on there. There's just like some like you know, Folky's type stuff, Nick Drake type of thing. Then there's like some gospel, and like they're all a lot of it's most of it is pretty deep. That's discovered a bunch of people just from that playlist, but listen to it all the time. But this one guy came across and uh and said, This is there was like two songs, I think, by him on that playlist. But the first one I'm like, oh, this is cool, this is great, and then I was like, like, who is this guy? So I'd immediately listen to the album, but it's an artist uh out of Detroit by the name of Ted Lucas. Ted Lucas is basically folk singer songwriter, released just basically this one album, Ted Lucas, this his self-titled album. And but he released, he kept on, I guess he, you know, he passed away in '92, I believe. And they say that he amassed like a lot of a lot of uh, you know, he's got a lot of songs in the vault. And just probably two or three weeks ago, they released a retrospective of his stuff. They released a big uh box set called Images of Life. This one is a self-titled album. The only one he released during his lifetime, Ted Lucas. There's a song on there. The the one that got me, it's just a great song. It's called It's So Nice to Get Stoned.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

It's just Oh, yeah, you did share that song with me. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Oh, it's just cool, and it's just like laid back, kind of chill. And the other one, it's so uh the out though. I guess the if you're there's a not a hit, but the one that was gets played, you're here. It's called It's So Easy When You Know What You're Doing is the name of the other song. But great, great album. And I would highly, highly recommend if you like like the whole thing. Like we mentioned, if you like Nick Drake, Jim Sullivan, Fred Neal, any of that type of thing, my Jackson C. Frank that I did last week. I think I'm always I'm going back to these folk guys all the time, but I don't know. So like because I've just just like discovered or rediscovered these guys in the last couple years, and it's just like comes up quite a bit. It's like I go back to this album, you know, on a normal basis, or at least here a little bit of on a Sunday. So Ted Lucas, self-titled, highly recommend. Now, the one I almost went with, yep, because it's way, way overlooked. I'm gonna talk not the Samrock, but probably one of my top two favorite artists of all time released an album in this year, Mr. John Hyatt. He did, and the album that released in 75 is called Overcoats. And if you look at like all music, they give it two stars.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Nobody, you don't, you know. I've heard I've seen him in concert tons of times. I don't think he's ever played anything. I can't remember who I've ever seen him play anything off of Overcoats. It's just like one of those, like it was panned and nobody, you know, nobody remembers it, but it is a damn good album. I almost picked that one, but I mean, because I think John's overlooked in general, you know. Yep. I mean, he's obviously hugely respected singer-songwriter, but general public probably not everybody knows John Hyatt and his music, but almost went with that, could have gone that, but I'm sticking with Ted because Ted Lucas's self-title is excellent.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

Yeah, you're on fire, man. This is another one. You shared that song with me when we were trading songs, we were doing 10 songs going back and forth on the porch, and I remember listening to that song and liking it. And I uh I'll be fully honest with you. There was so much stuff on that playlist. I never went back to that album. Just downloaded the album. What is it with these Fred Neil? Jim. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

It's a thing I'm going through. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

They've got one album, maybe two. And it's like, why? I want more because I know I'm gonna love it. I do love that song. That song is so chill. It sounds I mean, I'm not gonna lie, it does sound like he's a little stoned when he's right, right. Most definitely, but in a good way, man. It's such a great smooth. I just loved it. I thought it was a great song.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Hey, I mean, I it's it's good stuff. I'm gonna, yeah, keep on. Like I said, I keep on discovering these, not discovering them, but it's like there's so many of these guys that maybe released one album or released a couple albums, and they're just so good, but they just went nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

This is, I mean, or like you know, Rodriguez literally face of the planet, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Like the guy, like supposedly he was abducted by then nobody was exactly, you know, Rodriguez, you know, who's another one, you know, sugarman from Detroit as well. Yep, I mean, they made a movie because he dropped, like, there was like there's stories about oh, he died on stage and all this kind of stuff. They had to do like a they you know, looking for you know, they were searching for him, right? So, I mean, where do these these guys just dropped off the face of the earth? So it's like crazy like that.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

All right, well, we're gonna move on to uh well, I feel like it's a natural transition, so I'll go first, but then I'm gonna let you go second. Uh, because I always have a theme with my either or my either or is 1975 based. Okay, so let's just get into it. Uh and if you have something for me, I'll let you go next. And then I do have a digit dup it or don't know it. All right. Kevin, are you ready? We're gonna do a thing. If you're new here, we're gonna do a thing called either or. I give two different topics. It's typically a band and an album against each other, and then the winner of that just keeps carrying over until the next, and if that one wins, it's just uh it's a carryover. Uh, there's 10 selections here, 11 total selections, but 10 choices. So, Kevin.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Aerismith, Toys in the Attic, or Elton John, Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

I'm gonna pick uh Toys in the Attic.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Thank you, sir. I agree. I like the Captain Fantastic, but Toys in the Attic has the rules. All right. Uh Kevin Aerosmith, Toys in the Attic, or Queen, a Knight at the Opera.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

That's a tough one. I'm gonna go a night at the opera.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

I wouldn't go that route, but I love it. Love it, love it, love it. I mean, uh Toys is such a good that's toys, and that's tough. That's my favorite Air Smith album, but I get it. That's cool. Night at the opera is a classic. All right. Queen, night at the opera, or Rush, fly by night.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

It's amazing that was 75. Uh I'm gonna stick with night at the opera in the same year. I'm gonna stick with Queen.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Okay. Queen, a night at the opera, or Black Sabbath sabotage.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Sabotage.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

I knew it. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

Now this is now we're getting okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Oh, so we're we're gonna get gritty here. Uh Black Sabbath Sabotage, very underrated album. Love it. Or Hugh Mundell, Africa Must Be Free by 1983.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

It's a killer record.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

But I'm thinking with sabotage.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Uh Black Sabbath sabotage or Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run. Kevin's shaking his head.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Right, yeah. Uh I have to go with Born to Run.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Okay. It just keeps getting more challenging just what this way. Uh Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run or Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

This is damn good year. Born to Run.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

All right. Born to Run from Bruce Springsteen or Thin Lizzie's Fighting. Born to Run. I agree. I like fighting, but Born to Run is better. Oh, it gets really tricky here. The last two are gonna really make you squirm a little bit. Uh Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run or Labby Sifries Remember My Song.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

That's almost not like it.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

This is just like last week when I picked Leonard Cohen to go over some albums that are probably considered stronger albums or known albums. Like Born to Run is a freaking classic.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Absolutely. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Now it's a recent thing, not recent, last I mean seven, five, seven years recent, maybe even right.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Six. Well, yeah. Within the last ten years for you, yeah. Right. Within the last 10 years, I discovered Labisfri and absolutely positively love Labusyfri. And one of my favorite artists, go-to artists I listen to all the time.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

That is an incredible album. It's got the you know this some of the songs that if you know, or you know the samples, things like that. So it's a great album. I am it's really tough. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with Born to Run because that's just an important album. I mean, Thunder Road, Born to Run. You can't, I mean, I can't, as much as I love Labby and that album.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Very impressed. I usually go personal. I know that Labby's more personal than Bruce is for you. Yes. That's uh I I'm very impressed with your your choice here. The last one's tough now. You got Bruce Springsteen, Born to Run, or Alice Cooper's Welcome to My Nightmare.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

That's that's that's not fair, really.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Uh those of you who don't know, this is like Alice's. I don't know if you consider this a comeback album, but for him, this is a personal solo, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:47

His first like album without right, without the band.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

This is his first sober album.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Or is he still in? No, I think it's from the inside, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah, from the inside. I think you're right.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

This is obviously I just went non-personal, but now I'm gonna go personal. I'm sorry. You gotta pick, I gotta pick welcome to my nightmare because that's just I mean, I love that album.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

I literally you know, born to run.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

I mean, uh, born to run is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

I literally put these two last because I figured it was gonna be a battle between Labby and and Alice. Alice being more long term for him, Labby being a more recent, like you said, within the last 10-year discovery. But I know, like for Kevin and I to let you guys know to clue you in for us, weekends, nights, sometimes mornings, but especially weekends, nights, Sundays are precious because you really dive into what you're like personally connected to. And Labby is something he plays a lot on Sundays. So I know it is a personal thing for him. So um, yeah, Al Alice is his guy. And look, guys, if you don't know what Welcome to my nightmare. I'm not saying it's as good or up there with like billion dollar babies or but it kind of is in a weird way, depending on your mood. It is a very a very experimental album. You can tell that it is more of an Alice album than an Alice Cooper band album, but it's so good, man. And I think it's one of those that you know, let it marinate, let it listen to it two or three times, and it just keeps getting better. It did for me. First time I listened to it, I was like, yeah, it's pretty good. And now it's probably top four or five albums for me for him.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Alright. Um do you have anything for me?

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah. I think I probably can. All right. Let me see. Okay, I got some things here. Let me one I'm trying to uh some things, it's just like I said, no rhyme or reason. But we'll go this way. It's gonna be just an either or not carrying on, not moving ahead, just an either or. We're gonna start with, I don't know, Dylan or the dead.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

That's really tough, man, because both of them at their peak at points I really, really love, and not I don't really care for, if that makes sense. Uh surprise you, I'm gonna go dead. I think more consistently, I think they have three like just absolute classic albums. He does too, don't get me wrong, Dylan does too, but like I'm more surprised by my love of the dead than I am with Dylan. And I'm more compelled to go to Working Man's Dead than maybe I would be Highway 60.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Yeah, I don't Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston, Whitney all day, Whitney all day, not even a chance, not even a question.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

I don't uh you know, I don't dislike Mariah Carey. I mean that that one Christmas song, All I Want for Christmas, is amazing. Um I just feel like naturally Whitney was more of a you know, like I'm your woman tonight, and songs like that are just like classic. I don't think much of classic with Mariah Carey. I respect her as a uh as one of the you know modern divas, but yeah, definitely more of a Mariah Carey fan. Okay. I'm definitely more of a Whitney Houston fan, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Whitney Houston. Whitney or Madonna?

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Um, I like Madonna's music better, but I'll be honest, Whitney is more talented. But Madonna was definitely more polarizing, definitely more um I don't know if polarizing is the right word. She was more inventive. Doesn't mean she was more talented, but she was more inventive and she reinvented herself a lot. So I'm gonna go with Madonna just based off that.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Alright. That's the only one it carried on. How about baseball or football?

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Football. Football. Football. I love me some baseball. I do, especially college baseball. I'm I'm one of the rare people that love college baseball. Um but football and college football, there's nothing better than the college football season. Period. That's why I love the fall.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

How about no doubt or the arrhythmics? Eurythmics. Eurythmix. Do you like no doubt?

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Nah, I don't love them. I liked them at the time okay because I was into punk and she was hot, and so I was supposed to like them. But it hasn't aged well, and I just don't love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Alright, all right. Rainbow? Oh, damn it. Or Dio.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Ooh. Well, what are you doing, Marius? My cat's freaking out. Um that's tough, dude. Um, I listen to more Rainbow than I do Dio, but Dio and it's I I gotta go Dio. I do as much as I love like rising and long live rock and roll, though, I love those two albums. I think Dio in general, like Holy Diver, is is just an absolute masterpiece. And I just think Dio and himself, you gotta go Dio.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

Pasta or potatoes?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

I'll go pasta.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Pasta?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Yep. That's very thought-provoking. Just you know, serious.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

You know, it's it's interesting though. Let me get your take on this. Like, when I think about potatoes, like it's pasta over fries. I'm gonna go potatoes because fries, when you start getting into fries and tots, those are staples. You can't get packed.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

They're a weakness of my I can't like someone like my kids, like, here, oh, I'm not gonna eat my fries. I'm like, just I'm like, okay, I'll finish the whole, you know.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

You know how you compact, you know what? Uh a roommate of mine did this, and it was brilliant because my wife realized at the time before we got married, she's like, Oh my god, what are you doing? He douses it in salt, puts it like so. If you get it from like a Wendy's or whatever, you know, he douses it in salt and puts it in the bag, and then he goes, That way I can't eat it because it's so salty, I won't eat it. It forces me not to eat it. And she goes, That is brilliant. Because she her weakness is like she's ranked her types of fries, where it's a if the hand cut fry that you get, like a really good hand cut fry that you get with like fish and chips, for her, that's the ultimate.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

And then give me I love potatoes like an I mean I love pasta, but fries like fries type things, like fry I love potatoes in like any form, but you start talking about like fries and tots. Forget about it. Oh, forget about it.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

I mean tots.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Like those bars that do like the like kettle, like fresh potato chips, you know, like oh yeah, just dropped.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Oh, yeah, it's no doubt, it's no doubt potatoes just based off of fries alone.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yep. All right, we gotta I went on a tangent there. Concrete blonde or susie and the banshees.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

This is the hardest one, man. That's not fair. Oh Ever so slightly I'm gonna go Susie. Yes, ever so slightly.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Another serious one.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Pinto beans or black beans. Black beans. I like pinto. Black beans are more universal. Bro country. Or new or new age music.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Oh, new age all the way. There's some really good new age music.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

That's good new age. I couldn't even think of anything that I couldn't think of a bad uh what would what would I don't know what would what could be as bad as broad country.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I'm sorry, but what are the things you can think of is like elevator jazz, like really, really bad cheesy jazz.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Yeah, but no, it's it's still broad country still takes a kick.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Yeah, for sure. Okay, for sure. All right, last one. I think the pretenders. Oh. Or 10,000 maniacs.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

It's not cool, but as a whole, 10,000 maniacs. I do love me some pretenders, and I I actually have become more of a fan of them over the last 10 years than I was when they were in their heyday. Um, but I will say in college, my weakness, because uh any girl I dated loved 10,000 maniacs, and I developed a strong love for Natalie Merchant.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

So yeah. I wish she did more stuff now. I mean, what happened to? I mean, she's one of those that like really is she still like Tiger Lily and that, and then it's like it was good stuff, and then she what you know, she just she was huge.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

She had what our time in Eden, Tiger Lily, and I don't has she done anything after that?

SPEAKER_01 31:25

That's a good question. Maybe I can find out. I don't only there was somewhere I could find something like that out.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

There were a but a device.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

There's something, I don't know, but uh you know, everyone loves listening to on the well.

SPEAKER_00 31:41

While you're queuing that up, I've got some stuff for you.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Well, look at that. There's uh am I like crazy? Okay, wait. Maybe it's like she's got a bunch of stuff. Ophelia, her story, motherland.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Okay, I do remember Ophelia. Yellow cover with her. Yep, I do remember that one. I take that one back.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Keep your courage in 2023, 2023. See, I don't like that goes to show there's something wrong. Then why are we not hearing about that?

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Yeah. That's what irritates me is anybody listening that's a huge 10,000 Maniac Seth Natalie Merchant fan, forgive us for being totally ignorant on all things. But the fact that we don't know that, like, why aren't these albums being like even mentioned? There's multiple albums. I'll have to look and see if each one is actually an album album, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:40

Like, oh, okay. So that's I'm sorry, that's what 10,000 maniac. I was like, why am I seeing our time in Eden in Hope Chest? Uh, yeah, Tiger Lily, Ophelia. Um first story, Motherland, the house. Oh, I guess our time in Eden was uh 10,000 Maniacs. I'm sorry, yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. So Tiger Lily was the first one, Ophelia. Those are the two I know. I'm looking to see if Motherland looks familiar from 2000 and um and one because maybe, yeah, I've seen that one. Damn, dude. What a what's wrong with me? The House Carpenter's Daughter never seen that album cover. Never seen that, nah.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Butterfly in 2017.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Never seen listen to some of these. I you know my apologies. You know, we're I'm gonna go on a mix tomorrow of her stuff. Keep your courage from 2023.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yeah, for sure. But why do we know about it? Why why it's not even like a it just makes no sense. Like no debt whatsoever in the you know, she's she was huge, you know. I don't know. Absolutely, like if I'm I don't know, but like if I'm not saying they're comparable. Let's say Cheryl Crow releases an album this year, you'll at least know about it, you know that it's out something like that, right? They were the same, like not level, but of popularity. I mean, yeah, for something like that, you know, you you'd know, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Well, it's like Tori Amos. I remember hearing that Tori Amos released an album, I don't know, two or three years ago, and I'm like, I've got to check that out. She hasn't released released an album in what 10 years, and I look at it and like, dude, she's releasing an album every other year.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Right. Like just continues, right? Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Some people I it makes me mad that I don't know that, but it just goes to show, like, if you're not a devout fan, this is why I get why, as a fan of the church, people don't know that they're still that they keep doing it. I get it, I totally get it. It's just a shame because if we could go back and listen to these Natalie Merchant albums and go, all right, with a little revisionist history, this would make my top album of the year.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Like, how do we not know somebody that put out some of the biggest songs in the 90s and the early exactly? How do we not know that she's releasing music right now?

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Like, I understand, like, uh, I'm gonna no disrespect, but I understand, like, uh I understand, okay, like I understand someone like okay, Joan Osborne, right? Joan Osborne, I believe, has released some things and continued to release, not like, not maybe like that, but right, I understand not knowing that Joan Osborne hasn't released like tons and tons of albums, right? Because she was like big for a second, really. I mean, yeah, it's really that one album.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

One album, maybe one song.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

I can't remember other than if you know, and then like maybe she releases something after that, but then like but she's kept on releasing things, but you don't know it because she was like big and like I want to say, like like star, boom, and out, right? Yeah, but somebody like Tori Amos or Natalie Merchant, who released multiple albums of big hits, huge stuff, right? They should still be mentioned and we should know that they've been released. I looked at you just pulled when you said Tori Amos, I'm like, oh my god, she's like tons of albums, haven't heard any of them, which is that go maybe it's my bad, but if it's not on my, you know, why is why wasn't that even you know brought up? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

The album I listened to was really good. I mean, I'm not saying it's you know, I'm not saying as if they're with little earthquakes or you know, right, what is it? Under Under the Pink. Uh Under the Pink. Under the Pink is a fantastic album. Uh, I like the one after that too, the the third one, um, with her holding the pig.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

The pig. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

That was a great, great album. Those three albums for me, uh, once again, this this is from relationships. This is from girlfriends that I had in in college. Um, I love those albums. I've seen Tori Amos three times. Voice for Paley. Voice for Paley fantastic. Yeah. I I I've seen her play, she's amazing live. Uh, seeing Natalie Merchant, seeing some of these artists live, and they were huge. You're talking about Natalie, especially 10,000 Maniacs was huge, and then she had a strong, strong solo career for at least two or three. I mean, I bet off of Tiger Lily, there's what at least three, four singles that were played on the radio. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

Right. Like, yeah, like why do we lose? Why did like I'm looking at Tori Messilla, Little Earthquakes, Under the Pink, Boys or Pele from the Choir Girl Hotel, and then I lost it. Yeah, that's the last one that I know. Why is that? I don't know why that is. And then she released that was 98. She did 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 7, 9. It's like continuous. We didn't hear any of those.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Oh, speaking of, I've got stuff for you here. You're gonna like this. I think it's uh let me let me make sure. Hold on. I had one of them. If not. Yes. Oh, yeah, you're gonna love this. All right, you ready? I have a dig it, dump it, or don't know it. There's no don't know it of this. This is just dig it or dump it. So just there's only two choices. All right, you ready?

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Dig it or dump it. Shoe gaze as a genre.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

See I will dig it. I don't dig it, dig it, but I'm not gonna dump it. That's not, I mean, I I appreciate it and at least like it enough to keep it. Right. You know, so dig it.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

And that's like, you know, I've I've talked with you, Sean. Uh, you know, because that's one like I know you're one of much bigger into shoe gays. That's one of my favorites. Where do I go? So that was like a genre that I wasn't in when it was happening. So, like, you know, where do I start? What do I listen to? What's essential? Yada yada, you know, that type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Yep. All right. Uh all right, dig it or dump it. Deluxe editions with 20 plus tracks. Dump it. I totally agree. Can't stand that. Unless you are, and I am a die, I'm telling you, I am a diehard Elvis Costello fan. I have so much Elvis Costello songs that I will never listen to. Right. Because of all these demos, yeah. Sean called them kitchen demos, which I thought was funny because I don't care to do what they're playing. And some of the stuff's really good, don't get me wrong. Yeah, some of the stuff is great, but when you have an album like Get Happy, which in itself is already an hour and 30 minutes long, and then you give me B sides that are two hours long, that is a large chunk of my day to listen to that music. It's just too much. And some of the stuff it's like I've always said this about jazz. I love jazz. I don't need five alternate takes of the same song, I just don't need no.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

I got that just that drives me crazy. Like I usually have something and I listen to I do uh I you know use Apple music and whatnot, but I listen to a lot of my stuff, like when I'm listening during the day, right behind me at my desk. I have uh I do it through Sonos, so it's like Sonos pulling from Apple, Apple Music, right? Right, but there's certain things they don't have every, you know, like on Apple when you pull up an album and the one they have listed as like the album is probably like the deluxe edition, but down below it'll say other versions, and I go with the one that is the real one, the original version that has nine tracks rather than 17. You know, it's like no, exactly. I appreciate some of these new tracks and stuff like that, but a lot but I want the album the way that the artists intended it to be released and listened to, not like 20 years later or whatever. Problem with Sonos is that a lot of it is like they'll only have because it's pulling from just Apple Music, not so it'll have one version of every you don't get like multiple versions of albums, right? So it's like that's fine. I've like I'm I'll look at it, you know, coming like I'll look at the real album and then I'll stop it after after when the real album stops because I'm like, no, I'm like, what's this live? I'm also I'm hearing live tracks from like I no, no, I don't want that. I don't want the the alternate take. I already I never you know I'm never listening to an album and there is a song on there. I never like 12 songs in go, you know what? I want to hear the second song I heard again, but just a little different. Nobody, nobody ever, nobody ever says that. No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want that.

SPEAKER_00 42:02

There are some exceptions, like there's always exceptions of things like you know, there's things for me like Elliot Smith, I love, and then I go back to Heat Miser, there are songs that he's written on his own, but then you realize it's an acoustic version of a song that they did before, and I'm like, ooh, let me listen to that. And it's completely different because it's amped up, it's not just him and a guitar, it's like punk. I'm like, oh, okay, that's cool. Right. I'm talking that is like literally one percent of the time. Most of the time, when I get these, this is why I knew this would be a trigger and this would trigger a conversation.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Right, we're going out for yeah, because I know he agrees with me.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

It's like, God, man, there's nothing worse than like I used to die for these deluxe editions, and then I realized I'm just I'm wasting my money, man. I'm just totally wasting my money. Just give me the album right there with you.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

I want the album, especially when I mean, like, maybe I don't know, maybe it's a little bit different. Like, you got an album like a that was released like two years ago, last year, and then released at deluxe, and there's something new. I'm like, okay, I'd almost rather have like a totally separate album of the what they put on, but like that's but like I hate when it's like an album that was released in like 76, and the only what you pull up and it's deluxe. I'm like, dude, no nobody from Aerosmith wanted a deluxe edition of Toys in the Attic. You know, no one was that's that's just that's somebody that's a catch grab, not by the band, but by this, you know, label or whatever, trying to make it's like whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

And they certainly didn't want you to intertwine the B sides in the middle of the that drives me nuts. Like, just keep the sequencing, and the minute I see, because I would literally spend hours in my Apple collection with bonus tracks separating and letting you know at the end of that song. Brackets, bonus track, bonus track, bonus track. You knew everything. And the minute I would get to that one, I would stop and go, I'll bookmark that and I'll just listen to the bonus tracks later. Right. But I just want to hear the album now. So all right.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Like I'm like, it was fun that yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_00 44:17

We'll move on. Yeah, we could go on for hours for this. I got a real serious one for you here, Kevin. Dig it or dump it, ranch on everything.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

I'm sorry, say that again. You cut out and I might need to move, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Uh ranch dressing on everything.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Dressing on everything?

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Ranch.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Ranch dressing. I mean not on everything, but ranch is pretty darn good, you know, on a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

I would say, you know, I'm gonna dig ranch, you know, not on everything, but on a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

A ranch on a lot of things, I agree. Okay. Uh here's here's what brought this whole thing up. Uh dig it or dump it. Artists who release an album every year.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

I dig it.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I know sometimes it's tough to keep up with certain when people are doing that. But I like that. That's how it used to be back. I'm not, I'm not, you know, just going old man on everybody, but you know, you'd release an album, went on tour, came back in, recorded an album, went on tour, came back. It's just like you were you were doing it. And it every album didn't have to be like I think when you release an album every year, every album isn't like so like what's the word I'm looking for, like looked at and like has to be perfect. And you know, it's like yeah, bands were released, like, oh, this is we're we tried to this is our uh you know, blues focused album, and it was a little bit different, and then they came back, and you know what you didn't have to everything, wasn't so like hyper focused, and I don't want the word I'm looking for is missing me, but overthought, you know, yes, or you get bands like you release an album and then they don't release an album for like huge bands don't release an album for like four or five years in between albums. That's like that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

At least every other I think now too. The onus of putting out something every year is to keep in the limelight, right? So I do feel like there's I think the average is every two years, maybe every three, but the average is probably every two years because every year is a lot, it's a lot, it is some people I just learned.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

I just learned the album, then it's like the next one coming out, like a I don't know, Tyler Childers or whatever, releases like a quad, like a what it was like a triple album, yep, and then the next year got another album. It's like damn, I was just I haven't even learned the triple album one, you know. Now we got another one, or like Zach Bryan, same thing. He's releasing like stuff like that, you know, like all the time.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

He puts out double quadruple albums. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Like Haunt, you know, they do they're but I appreciate it because it's like hey, or like of course, Dr. Bionic releases like tons of stuff. He likes swacking, he released like took a whole year off, I think, or something.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Yeah, he he's one that puts out one every like nine, ten months, I think. Uh Dr. Bionic rules, and his I don't mind as much, man, but like I I can't keep up with guided by voices, I can't keep up with no King Gizzard. I can't do it. I just I mean it's it's too much. Uh I and I like especially guided by voices. I love GBV, but dude, I can't keep up with you.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

You're putting out two we reserve the right to be hypocrites, right? I mean, I love it when it's certain certain things like keep on Dr. Brown, I keep on pumping them out, you know. But then then there's like like a King Gizzard and the Wizard Lizard, you know the lizard wizard, you know, it's like, dude, there's just way too much stuff. You just gotta slow down. I just can't I got slow down.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Totally agree. All right, number five. Here we're we're we're moving slow, but that's all right. Uh dig it or dump it. Concept album concept albums, concept albums.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

You know, I appreciate a good concept album. I'm gonna dig it. You can go bad, but there's I appreciate a concept album. That's just extra thought put into it. I do sometimes sometimes people sometimes bands artists have been over ambitious with their concept albums, and it's like that just you should have just released an album, or you know, but a couple come to mind, but you know, I I appreciate the effort.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

Yep, I agree. All right, dig it or dump it, reboots, remakes of classic TV shows or movies. Just do it.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

Waffle on this, some I like some of them are actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Yep. But scrubs, scrubs, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Or there's like I don't reboot reboots are cool, but like remakes of like the same, like I don't know, most of the time you want the original, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:22

I mean, I don't and how many times can you remake a freaking uh a comic book thing? How many times have we seen Spider-Man or Batman or whatever? It's like Jesus Christ, can we just get over with this? Can we can we not do Robin Hood an eighth time? Can we not do can we come up with something unique? Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Some of them might some of them they come along. I'm like, really? We're redoing that, and it's just like I don't know, but then some of it's some of them really, really work, and you're like, all right, that's really good, you know. Like the reboot of uh the remake, uh Battlestar Galactica, right? The 70s Battlestar Galactica was so corny, but it was so cool. But then the one they did just like what 20 years ago now, but was excellent. I mean, it was incredible.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

The reboot maybe is technically better than the original, but the original from nostalgia, yeah. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

Yeah, nostalgic, nostalgia is makes that one great, you know, with because it what was it, Aaron Gray? No, that was uh what was I thinking of? Buck Rogers. Buck Rogers, she was Buck Rogers, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

Love me so.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

But I had you know Dirk Benedict and Richard Hatch and Lauren Green, of course, was you know, and yeah, that's awesome. I can't remember who the women were in that show, but all right, we'll move on.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

All right, so we're we're waffling on that. We'll we'll do a push. We're not gonna say don't know it, we'll do a push on that. Um dig it or dump it, self-driving cars.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

I think it's kind of cool, but it's very, you know, it's interesting when you see it. I'll dig it for now. But that one that you saw the woman ran almost ran off a bridge or whatever, so that wasn't cool or whatever, but I'm gonna dump it.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

But that's alright. That's cool. All right, dig it or dump it. Leftovers for breakfast.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Dude, I love that. I'll I will tear up some time. I don't think it I don't let the family know that I'm eating leftovers for breakfast. I'll do it. I'm I'm just like, oh, what's oh, there's pasta? Whatever. It's like it doesn't have to be uh breakfast food.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

Right, like it's socially acceptable now to eat pizza. Why is it not socially acceptable to eat or Chinese? Why why why can't I eat the leftover like salmon that I had then you froze on me? You know, right? Wow, we have breakfast for dinner. Why can't I have a good nice leftovers for for breakfast? So I totally agree.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

My pros you pros on me. Darn it. Yeah, but we're we're all saying like why why why do I have to wait until noon to eat my Chinese? I mean, why why why do I have to wait? You know, exactly. Why can't I eat Chinese at nine, eight, whatever, you know? I'm gonna eat it. You can eat leftover pizza, like you're saying. Why why are the other things? Why can't I? Oh, I got some, you know, leftover tortellini. Why can't I eat that at 8 30? I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

Wife made fun of me because she woke up one morning, she's what are you doing? It was literally three in the morning. Uh, and we had been out the night before, and I was making uh breakfast tacos. She's what are you doing? It's 3 a.m. and I go, I'm hungry. There you go. I mean, that's how you gain weight. I was just saying. Just don't do what I do because I've gained a lot of weight over the last six months. Year, really. All right, two more here. Uh I think two of these are very easy, but I like both of them. Uh dig it or dump it, 10 minute songs.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

I'll dig it just because I'm moving closer. I'll dig it. There's some bad 10-minute songs, but I'm gonna I'm gonna appreciate a good 10-minute song. Okay, if it's done right, like for me. If it's done right, you don't realize that it's 10 minutes, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:26

So yeah, for sure. It's all right. Like to me, I think the caveat of that is like 10 minutes songs are fine, especially if you have one per album. If you do an album of only 10-minute songs, that sucks. That sucks. Yeah, you agree.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

If all your songs are 10 minutes, you gotta you gotta do something else, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:42

All right, last one you'll and I think you'll appreciate this. Uh digging or dump it, the skip intro button.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Skip intro button. Come on. You know you use it.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

You know, I uh if you're watching if you're watching Netflix and you're binging something, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:07

I I every time I watch a show. I I totally dig that. I don't want to watch the I don't need to hear that again. I don't need to hear the theme song again or whatever, like or skip the recap. Skip recap. I don't I just watched, yeah, I just watched the show. I mean, I'm I'm watching four in a row. Why do I need to recap this? So oh I'm skipping that in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

I don't mind if I'm coming into a new season of something. Okay, I need the recap then the recap, especially if you're talking like you're a two-year hiatus. Definitely need that. But what gets me is like, and it's a great intro, fantastic intro. Do you have you ever watched uh only murderers in the building? No, so it's really good. I mean, Steve Martin, Martin Short. Uh I can't think of the actress, the singer. She's amazing. Uh, she's incredible in it. It is a great, great show. The theme song is amazing, but it is freaking a minute and a half long. I mean, you're like, I just want to, I just we're we're we're like we're binging this. Let me hear the first a lot of times you don't get the skip intro on the very first episode of the season, you only get in the second and beyond. That's fine. I'm totally fine with that. Refresh my memory. Oh, that's a that you know, look, there's nothing better than a good theme song. The Cheers theme song, freaking classic, right? One of the best ever.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

But if I can skip it, oh yeah, I'm skipping that every time.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

This is coming from music guys, too, right?

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Yeah, we're like skip it. All right.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

I mean, I that's that's all that that's all I've got. Uh, I don't know if you have anything else, but that's all I've got.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

I could give you something else, but I'll uh I'll I'll save I'll save one thing till the next time. I know we're going a little long, I think probably.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

So I've gonna run the list for you, man. So I've got a ton of stuff like banked. I'm excited about that. Uh I did some brainstorming to kind of come up with some uh some good topics for you. All right. Well, all right, ton of fun tonight. I know we ran a little bit long, but this is a great episode. Uh once again, we are always going to continue doing our our path through 1960 to 2025, doing underrated overlooked albums. We're gonna do some either or choices, either or depending on how you speak it. Uh how you say it right there. Uh, and then we'll come up with some topics and stuff if something's relevant. I didn't see anything in the news this week. I don't know if you saw anything, but I didn't really see anything that was overly relevant. So we would love to hear what you think about 1975 or any year in particular. Hit us up at uh schizomusic pod at gmail.com. Uh sir.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Go ahead. Ask us anything, let us know what you think. I mean, we're always we're always open to it. And like, hey, when we do this, I mean, if if anything we said or any album we mentioned, like go go listen to, I mean, it doesn't have to be the two we mentioned tonight, the overlook. We're always looking for, I think, people to just, you know, about the diversity, right? Of music. So just explore, you know, find something new, go outside of the box, listen to something that may be outside of your comfort zone. That's the way to do it.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

Absolutely. Uh, a lot of these albums that we do and either or on or artist or whatever, uh, some of them are big, and some of them, if we pick something, it doesn't mean it's the best, it just means it's a personal thing. Like Kevin said before, he's like, I want to go for Labby over Bruce. If I'm being personal, it would be Labby, but it's hard to do. And then he gets to Alice and he's like, All right, I'll all bets are off. Right. So, but all of these albums are great. Um, hey, go check out the albums that we mentioned, and by all means, let us know. I have we have a lot of stuff in 1975, but I'm sure there's an album we have no clue about. Right. Let us know. So all right. Well, I am uh I'm good if you're good. I'm good. All right, we'll see you later. Yeah, man. Take care, everybody, and we'll see you next week. Take it easy.