S6 – Ep 19 | The 1969 Album We Both Chose (And Why We Couldn't Review It)

This week, Craig and Kevin head back to 1969, but with a twist.

After comparing notes, both hosts agreed that UFO by Jim Sullivan would have been their shared Album of the Week. Rather than doubling up, they decided to dig a little deeper and each bring a runner-up selection to the table.

Craig shines a light on Fast Fingers by Jimmy Dawkins, a blues record packed with sharp guitar work and Chicago grit. Kevin counters with Orgasm by Head Machine, a heavy and often-overlooked psychedelic hard rock release that showcases a very different side of 1969.

The conversation then shifts from albums to collecting, as the guys dive into a lively discussion about how they organize their vinyl collections. From genres and artists to alphabetical systems and pure chaos, they compare approaches and debate the best way to manage a growing catalog.

It's an episode filled with deep cuts, collector talk, and another reminder of just how much great music came out of 1969.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Schizophrenic Music is a signal syndicate production.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Hello and welcome to Skizfrenic Music. This is Kevin. I'm here today, of course, with Craig. We're gonna, you know, talk some music, stuff like that. A year, an album, overlooked, underrated, all kinds of good stuff. And I know we probably have things planned as well, but we'll just surprise you. I got nothing planned today.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

I don't know if you do, but uh I was just gonna freeform. I had a couple of things.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Yeah, kind of I have some free form ideas, nothing really like a specific, hey, this or that, the other thing, or you know. That's cool. Dig it, dump it, that type of thing. But we're good. Sweet. Awesome. What you got? I don't know. What do you uh oh you do you have a beer or a beverage? You have a beverage of choice?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

I do. I'll tell you what I got. I have one lone remaining beer here, other than the palapa that I talked about last time. I have one more Florida beer, and this one was a surprise because some of the Florida beers are really not good. And this one is one of those exceptions. It's a brewery called Florida Avenue. Uh and it's called Luminescence Hazy IPA, but they abbreviate it lumi. It's good, dude. It's really good. What you got?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Old Faithful, I've probably had it millions of times here, but I just got a wildly chance. Can't go wrong with India Pale Ale. Can't go wrong with chance, man. Seriously. Cannot. It's just one it's chance is one of my go-to's, you know, it's just one of those.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Seriously, it's one of those things where will all else fails. If I don't think it'll ever become like you can go somewhere now and tropical is everywhere, right? Right. And we can tell you firsthand, look, if you're not from this area, uh, you know, it's in at based out of Athens. Um we were there on the forefront where I mean it was literally like if they have Tropicalia at the public's, you you better go now. Run run, right, right. Uh but I've gotten to the point where Tropicalia is just okay, it's good, but chance.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

I feel like I I feel like it's a it's it's like every place, you know, go to a restaurant or something and get an order beer, and that's they have that, you know, it's just like I need to buy it in the can just to give it a fair shake, because you know how it is, if the their lines aren't clean, the beer might not be as good out of the keg.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

You never can tell. Beer sometimes is better out of the can. Um but chance is one of those beers where if you haven't had it in a while and you go back to it, you're just like, oh man, it's like old faithful for sure. So all right, I'm ready when you are. You want to count it three. I thought you were playing with me.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

I thought you were like counting down really slow. You know.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

That happened to me. My videos in this room, my speaker's lower quality. Yeah. Sometimes it does that, man. I think it just depends on the connection. Um man, the last couple times I poured a beer, it's like this is the first time I've answered that.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

That is of course I'm not important. I'm busy over here talking and import.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

That is uh it's a beautiful color if you can get down beyond the head. Wow. Um. Um cheers. Cheers, brother. Let me get through the foam. There you go. Man, that's that's really good. Next time we go there, they used to have this beer. I can't, all apologies to this brewery for not remembering the name of the brewery, but there was another Florida beer out there called Miami. Uh, and it had this really it's like a Miami Vice, kind of a neon look to it. It's really cool. That was recognized go-to, man. I mean, that's what we that's what we started the vacation off with every time. So but I haven't seen it in a while, so I don't know if they're just not distributing it or hopefully the brewery's still around, but guess what? Oh, he's there? All right, yeah, no problem. Hold on just for a second, man. This is gonna be it's killing me. Well, you you called it, Kevin. You said this was gonna happen. Uh we probably pause for a second. So so what's up?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

I long story short, we're painting our deck and then doing some work on the trim and picked a color, and then after it got on the deck, it just doesn't work, especially does not work for one family member. And and so we're gonna do we're gonna do it all over again. We're gonna paint the whole thing again. So I said, hey, someone's gonna show up, and they'll probably show up the second we get on here, which is fine. But that's all right. They were talking about like normal everyday stuff. My wife and daughter get in the car because they're going on a little trip doing an orientation thing, and of course, they get in the car and our podcast starts playing in the car, and they're like, How do I turn this off? I'm like, Well, my phone's inside. Of course, it's just like the one thing you asked me about, like I think cold plunges or something, and they're you're talking about cold showers. I'm like, uh, this that's not a normal topic of discussion, but that's you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Hey, we we don't have any bearing or something to talk about at all. It's funny too, man. Uh the the the serendipity here, the timing here is perfect. So this morning, uh our landscape company is they do um a variety of things. They do just do normal lawn care, and then they'll come by and they'll do you know pruning and stuff like that. So they're gonna do like the garden and the mulch and stuff tomorrow. And but I mean, literally our backyard, the garden area where they were gonna put mulch, it was just a disaster. And I'm like, they're not gonna deal with that. And so I woke up this morning, I was like, ah, I'm gonna do it. And I spent no lie, I listened, those three albums I I sent you this morning. I did I did all that work while listening to those three albums, and then I listened to something else. So I was out there for almost three hours. Uh, it was exhausting. So as you had me on hold, the guy, Brandon, the guy that owns the company, said, Hey man, I'll be out there tomorrow, sir. And he goes, Oh, look, I did a lot of clearing out. Uh and he called immediately and I guess, sorry, man, in a meeting, and he goes, No worries, lol, why are you doing our work for us? That's like, I didn't know you would do it. Meanwhile, I I mean, literally, it was hard. Do I get a discount now? I mean, it's uh so anyway, uh same thing. I was I was exhausted because it wasn't even that hot today. I mean, they got to like 82 or something, so that's that's not really that hot, but man, I was dying. Um so note to self, uh, let them do the work. But uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Yeah. Uh anyways, so yeah, that's all I'm sure you're all everyone listening is very, very interested in what's going on in the you know hey man, uh homeowner.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

I had a friend that listened to the podcast recently, and he said, Do you guys ever he goes, you had said, because he told me he said you you had said at some point that you feel like you get the best stuff uh off air. And I go, sometimes we riff better off air. I think everybody does. Right. Uh and he goes, just talk, man. Just talk about what I said, you know, if something happens, we'll break. And he goes, just throw it on there. And I go, okay, let's do it. Because God knows, what the heck are they? Yeah. Something's gonna come up. I mean, most of the podcasts I listen to, man, they they talk about a little bit of everything. And we've already thrown in stuff about movies, food, whatever. So uh it's funny too, because uh your wife talking about the podcast came on in the car.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Right, coal plunges. Like we're like, also my wife and daughter are laughing, and I'm like, you're talking about cold showers. I'm like, when did we ever talk about that? On the I mean, I can't even remember that. I'm like, oh I must okay, you asked the question, like dig it, dump it, or something. And it was like two episodes ago or something, but yeah, yeah, I was catching up earlier, but missed some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

But we've got um well, we do have an album this week. We do, I think. Um what's uh what's the year again? 1969. Uh we've said this before. Really around 67, 68, it got real. Like music started to lyrically and just things got a lot more serious and a little bit more publicly conscious and whatnot. 69 was a big year. Um there's one album in particular. We could have gone with a full sweep on this. Yeah, for sure. I mean, when I saw it come up, I was like, should we just both do it? But I'm like, no, you know, I and if you want to do it, that's cool. I came up with another one. Uh, but I teased it last night when or the other night when I sent you another album. Yeah. Which I didn't know ex didn't know exist. I guess that was like demos or something.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

So um I'll let I'll let you go first. I was gonna, I mean, I think I probably I don't know. I'd probably have to pick it. There's so many there's a lot of good stuff for sure that year. You know, a lot of good stuff to choose from. But when that came up, I was like, I'm like, it's almost like when I did the Fantastic Negrito. I'm like, really? I talk about this all the time. We probably mentioned this album a couple times. But it's kind of like one of those, yeah, we don't, I guess, yeah, I'll I'll, you know. How do you beat it though?

SPEAKER_01 10:04

I mean, honestly, if we're being honest, yeah, I think did we do Fred Neal? Did you you did Fred Neil, right? I think so. Fred Neal's definitely up there. This is up to we'll go ahead and say Jim Sullivan's UFO. UFO. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

That album gets better and better whatever you listen. Yep. And it's one of those things I know we used to do, you know, if you've if you've listened to the podcast in years past, we used to do, especially during the pandemic, you know, we used to get together a bunch of guys because nobody was going outside. So we'd get in together on a Friday night, I think five of us and just talk music, five or six of us, and we called the Moon Light Mile Music Club. Yep. And have some beverages and just talk for hours because hell nobody was leaving the house. It was a weird time. Right. Uh and Mark, who was part of that, my cousin, used to do a every once I had a little like a segment or whatever where he would talk about I can't remember exactly what he called it, but how did I not, how did I never, you know, how did I not know about this album or how have I lived this long, never heard this before? You know, one of those things. And a lot of times it was like, oh yeah, it was like things like where, but this Jim Sullivan UFO album definitely, definitely fits that.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Where it's like, Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

I think it happened, it was on, and I we a couple things that we referenced. We referenced, I don't know, different stuff that doesn't have anything to do with one another, and then some that does. But if I've you've heard me talk about there was this radio show that I used to listen to, and it just stopped, and it's a bummer because it was really, really good. But it was Mike D from The Beastie Boys had a pod, had a radio show on Apple Music called The Echo Chamber, and he played all kinds of stuff. He'd do a lot of like hip-hop and things like that, but then he'd dive into some things I learned about stuff that I didn't know. And one time they were talking to somebody, they were talking about like kind of lost albums or whatever, and they mentioned like Jim Sullivan UFO, and I was like, and then I all of a sudden I heard it other like and I heard it somewhere else, too. Someone said something. I'm like, well, let me check this out. And the album is just a great, great album, and it's one of those things, and the story that goes along with it is like makes it even better, right? Makes it even one of those that happens, you know. It's like I mean, I was trying to find the whole, you know, the whole gist of it, but it was like the album's called UFO, and you know, deals with like was released in '69, deals with like supernatural, extraterrestrial themes, you know. I guess he was Jim was a little bit obsessed by that, with that, things like that. But then, so Jim Sullivan released, you know, he was like LA guy making albums and things like that. He, you know, that was just just reading the little Wikipedia and whatnot, but this is stuff that we knew. But like he was like releasing stuff, he was playing and just I don't know, things weren't working. He hung around, had like a social circle, you know, with like Dennis Hopper and different people like that, little all that hippie stuff going on, and like he made unsuccessful attempts with like Capitol Records, things like that. You know, he tried doing things, he you know, so he released UFO in '69 and recorded with mate, most of the guys from the Wrecking Crew made this album. So it's like, you know, not like we got a bunch of slouches on it or anything. So they released it, you know. Kind of people talk about it, maybe leaning towards like Gene Clark, stuff like that, which is another what's one of the albums that Mark brought up on the How Did I Not Know About This Album things.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

But so thanks, Mark, for that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

He released a second album in 72. Yep. And it failed to attract any interest. You know, it was professional struggles, marital difficulties. He's separated from his wife. He was gonna relocate to Nashville, Tennessee. So, and then he would send for his wife and two kids or whatever. So he left LA in March 4th, 1975, driving alone with in a Volkswagen Beetle. The next day, he was pulled over to the police suspicion of driving under the influence, right? Okay. After passing a sobriety test, he checked into the La Mesa Motel in Santa Rosa, New Mexico. After checking in, he purchased a bottle of vodka at a liquor store, left town in his car. Sullivan was seen the following day, some 26 miles south of Santa Rosa, near Puerto de Luna, at a remote ranch owned by this family. His abandoned car was later found nearby, which contained his money, papers, guitar, clothes, and a box of his unsold records. Despite extensive searches by law enforcement and his family, Sullivan was never seen again. So New Mexico. Right, New Mexico. Just driving from LA to Nashville, stops in New Mexico. You know, but some, you know, they found a body, decomposed body somewhere around there, but there was a term that was not him, you know. So over the years, it's been obviously attributed to suicide, foul play, the police, and of course, you know, alien abduction, which is obviously what happened, right? For sure. For sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

I mean, let's just keep that, uh, let's just let's just hang on to that idea of that myth or not, let's just hang on to that. Because how appropriate would it be because he was so fascinated by it? He he probably if it did happen, he probably welcomed it. He's probably on a better plane, a better existence, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

But the fact he was never found, you know, something if like you this decided like walk off into the desert or whatever, you would seem some something late, you know. Absolutely, yeah. But he had like his you know, his papers, his wallet, his guitar, you know. Right. What's up? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah, that unit unanimously could have been our pick for sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Yeah, uh, but it's such a it. I mean, besides the story, the story is cool. He gives the album more mystique, right? But the album is an incredible singer-songwriter. Just nobody sounds like that.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Nobody sounds like that. It's kind of like uh it's similar to Nick Drake in a way that nobody ever sounded like Nick Drake, right? Um, and when I hear it, it's cool because there's a little bit where's he originally from? He's from Is he from California? He was actually born in Nebraska. He's got a little bit of a southern kind of a vibe to him, not a twang, but a little bit of there's an accent there that I love.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Uh and he never doesn't die in when he was in high school, okay, like his family did. Yeah.

unknown 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Phenomenal album. Phenomenal album. This is great that we're because we don't really have anything, we're gonna riff a little bit today. We don't really have anything planned. I'm glad we talked about this because there are albums that we both know. Yeah, that, and there's several years where if we didn't pick that album because we know the other one would pick it, and we wanted to both pick it, so we pick something else. That would have been my pick for sure. Uh, my other one is uh it's a close second, but it's really a distance.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

What's your what's your second? Second, I was gonna pick this. There, there's a lot of see, so it's 69, right? Right, which that is right, like there's a lot of like hard rock, I want to say proto metal, like hard music started getting heavier for sure right around that time. You know, there's a good like deep purple and stuff like that, but there's a lot of like really good heavy albums by bands that maybe made one album that I'm aware of or two albums, things like that. So there's this one album that I found, and somebody said, Oh, it's one of those lost albums, you know, it kind of got not shelved, but kind of people weren't paying attention to it because it might be inappropriate, things like that. Right. Because a lot of it, but there's an album by a band called Head Machine.

unknown 18:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

And the name of the album is Orgasm. And it's just like a heavy, I was looking at what they call it a like a heavy psych album, or it's just a hard rock album, and a lot of the songs have at least a little bit to do with sex. You know, it's like one song called Climax, making the make the feeling last. You must come with me the first time, scattering seeds. Okay. I mean, so it's like people are like, maybe it didn't get play because it might have been a little bit. I mean not.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

When was the summer of love? I mean, people were open in the 60s, but I feel like by that point it was we had moved on.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

It's you know, people it's got some prog leanings, but it's got members of uh Uriah Heap are in this band. Oh, cool. And and actually Gods, the band Gods and Uriah Heat, like uh, I think Ken Hensley and Lee Kurslake were in Head Machine. Oh, okay. So that was like it had some, you know, but it never took off, never did it, never made it, or whatever. But there's that, there's other, there's a lot of good stuff, and I'm running um like just good heavy albums that were, and I'm gonna you I'll let you talk and then I'll scroll and mention more of them. But there's a bunch of albums that like one-offs, like, oh, that's really good and heavy. But like, for instance, Frost for one had two albums released in '69. They had they had their debut and then the one rock and roll, rock and roll music, both in '69. And that's some great Detroit hard rock music. Dick Wagner was the guitarist lead singer who did, you know, I'm doing different things, you know, with Alice Cooper, different all kinds of stuff. But excellent. So I could have easily picked those. There's another Detroit band called SRC that was released an album that year that's really good. So that lots of good, like before heavy metal was heavy metal, you know. I want to call it like hard rock, proto metal, whatever. There's some stuff. People were starting to get heavier and guitars were getting a little crunchier. A lot of good stuff like that released in '69. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Um, well, mine's uh not on the heavier side, uh, but definitely more on the shredding side, but in a different way, in a blues way. Uh are you familiar with Jimmy Dawkins? Not really. I don't think so. Jimmy Dawkins' debut album came out. It's called Fast Fingers, and it's like the perfect title. Uh it's on Delmark Records, he's a Chicago guy. So same label as Magic Sam. Uh Otis Rush, I think, had several albums on uh Delmark. Del Mark is a legendary legend. If you go to the jazz, uh the Jazz and Blues record mark in in Chicago, that is the old location of where Del Mark, in fact, Del Mark might still be there. Um but this album's great uh because it is it is equally I I say shredding, but it's tastefully shredding. This is a good write up from uh Stuart Mason with All Music, so I'll just read it real quick. First released in 1969. After guitarist Jimmy Dawkins had served as a long apprenticeship as the side man in the Chicago electric blues scene, Fast Fingers remains one of the uh the finest pure electric blues albums of its era. Dawkins proves to be a solid songwriter and an able singer, although the best moments on this album invariably come when he tears off a casually perfect, deeply soulful, but never showy electric solo. I like that description. That says it all because it is very fast fingers, it's like he's just wow, like uh ahead of the game, and it's very, very fluid, but it doesn't feel like he's noodling, it doesn't feel like he's overdoing it. He does have a really good voice. Um, I've got one of his albums on vinyl. I think it's called All For Business. I it's an early 70s album, it's really good. Uh, but Fast Fingers is it's just that's him unleashed, and that's him. You know, when you put out a debut album, sometimes you just kind of there are no expectations, so you just let her rip right and he lets it rip. It's so good. I love Del Mark. Um, I discovered them, of course, because of Magic Sam, West Side Soul is one of my favorite albums of all time. Um, and this is right up there. They give it, I think AllMusic gives it four and a half stars. I think that's pretty accurate. I I really do. So uh whereas I uh again going back to Jim Sullivan, UFO's five stars, hands down, yeah, just a five-star album. Um, so yeah, we had some some pet. I was not familiar with it. There was some good soul in that year as well. For sure. I but most of the soul stuff that I knew were bands that you just knew, you know, like there was that that Sil Johnson's name Sill Johnson. Oh, yeah, that's right. That yeah, is it because I'm black? Yeah, yeah. I love that dude, man. I love all of his stuff. There, what's that 70s album where there's like a this uh like a a battery or something on the front cover? And it's like I can't remember what it is. That album is blistering. Um I had a chance to snag that. I think it was released on Third Man Records, if I'm not mistaken. It was either that or uh what's that? There's another the other label that I picked up. The Total Explosion, Total Explosion, man. That album shreds. That's early set early mid-70s.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Fat Possum Records.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Fat Possum.

unknown 24:23

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

That dude, that's another label. If we talk about blues, fat possum's one of those labels. Really, I knew them in the 80s and 90s because they were putting out so much great blues, and nobody else was putting out a lot of it. They were like I don't know if they're I don't know if I would call them blue note because I would say chess is probably the blue note of but uh pretty close, and they were putting out a variety of stuff: Texas blues, Chicago blues, Memphis, more electric than anything else. It wasn't really as falky, but yeah, I love me some alligator. Uh yeah. Sil or Sile, however you pronounce it. I'll I haven't heard a bad record from him. So um yeah, how does it? Siles? I don't even know. I don't know what I'm talking about. So we've uh I've had several uh I don't own anything on vinyl from him, but I'm always on the lookout when I go to the blue section that he's one of those guys I look for. Uh speaking of vinyl, I reorganized. Oh, yeah. I did, yeah. I want to get your take on this. I was gonna ask you if I should do this, but uh I just did it because I was just I was looking at it. I'm like, I'm tired of like the compartmentalization and putting things in different and so the only thing that's separated now is jazz, reggae, and Christmas. Everything else is together. So rock, RB, soul, blues, country, Americana, metal, it's all together. I was I'm okay with that. I was on the fence about blues because I know a lot of people put blues with jazz, but I think blues is more adjacent to rock than than jazz. So what do you think? I think that's I I'm I'm with you on that.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

I think how do you have yours organized? I'm just curious. Mine is just straight up right now, alphabetical is just straight up alphabetical. Okay, yeah. But the thing that messes that up, so the first one that you pull out from there makes sense is Christmas, right? Because Christmas albums, you know, I need probably to separate all that because you just need to go to Christmas because you're not you're not gonna pull out, you're not gonna look through and pull out a Christmas album any other time of the year, right? So having it aside is the is what you know makes sense. But what you said makes sense because like I always that was one of the things, you know, working in you owning a store, spending my life going to record stores. It's always weird, not weird, or interesting how record stores segments, right? And it's it's a str it's like a should I do that? Should I separate that? You know, it's like or like where is that gonna be found? For instance, love John Hyatt. I'm okay, yeah. You got me riffing now. Love John Hyatt. Yeah, some people put John Hyatt in country. Is that right? I don't know. I don't necessarily think so, but okay, you're there. But there's unless you have an Americana section, right? Yeah, but he's just in the normal pop rock, right? Yeah, then a lot of times record stores will have pop rock, but they separate metal because that's extremely different, I guess. Yeah, but then there was that thing, like we would talk, like, well, what goes in there, right? Is you know, do you put Van Halen in a heavy metal section? Record stores might, but you probably shouldn't.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Yep, you know, that type of you know, it's just like it's tricky, man, because Van well, at least Van Halen was consistent, but then you think about like the Van Halen with am I gonna call him Van Hagar because that's a strong with Hagar was definitely a popular version of Van Halen, but they were never really metal, even though every metal guitarist would say Eddie Van Halen is one of their gods. So I I think about one of my uh favorite rock bands of the 80s and 90s, and I still love them now, is the cult. The cult started off as a gothic rock band, right? And then moved to kind of alternative new wave, and then boom, put out electric, and they're just like full-on ACDC, and from that point forward, because that's what they wanted, they wanted to be an arena rock band. So just in the span of three albums, Dream Time is Gothic, Love is more new wave-ish, uh, maybe kind of even indie rock, and then Electric is hard rock, and then Sonic Temple is kind of more just straight up almost metal. Um, definitely in the hard rock metal, and then from that point forward, they've kind of meandered, they put out a they've they've definitely been heavier. What do you do with them? Do you put them in three different damn sections? No, right.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

I think I'm sorry, but what you're doing, what you did, you said you had everything, and then you had Jazz, Christmas, and was that it? Reggae. Reggae. Okay. Now, right there, that is 100% fine. There probably is a couple bands you guys or a couple artists you can think of that you might go, okay. Right. But jazz is jazz.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

When you hear jazz, you know that it's jazz. Absolutely. Right? I mean, it doesn't really unless you start maybe getting into like jazz vocalists that might cross into other areas. But when you're listening to something, it's like it's kind of like if you had a bunch, classical. Separating classical is easy because classical music is classical music, nothing else sounds like classical, right? Absolutely. So jazz sounds like jazz, and you hear it and you know it.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Reggae is a distinct thing, sound, so that makes sense as well, and everything else, you know, you can think about funkedelic is a prime example of a band that is straight up funk and soul, but then you listen to the guitar playing, and you're just like, dude's a whaler. I mean, he could play in a metal van, absolutely could play in a metal band. I will sing his praises uh to the end of time. So, well, what do you think about this too? Because you got a lot of crooners, because you you got a a lot of really cool albums from your dad.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Do you have any Bing Crosby stuff? I don't own, I don't think I own any Bing Crosby.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Like, so Bing Crosby is not jazz, he's just considered vocals, but I have no problem putting him in the same arena as jazz. Right. Just like Nat King Cole. Nat King Cole is. I was gonna ask you about him. Man, I love me some.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

You have some Nat. You have yeah, do you I have like about I bought probably 10 Nat King Cole albums?

SPEAKER_01 31:23

I should probably borrow a I have never aside I had a box set uh on CD that I really loved, so I'm sure I've heard a lot of those songs, but I've never really listened to a proper Nat King Cole album. I should borrow a couple from you. It's good stuff. I love Nat. Um, yeah, the box set cracked me up too, man, because he he he had a cantankerous side for sure. Like he would cuss out the engineer like there's several times, like he'd start off a song and they would stop it, and that F word, that F bomb would come out several times. Like, holy crap, what what year is this? Um but yeah, what a voice, what a uh but I can totally categorize like Frank Sinatra's not yeah, some people put him in jazz, but uh and it's jazz adjacent, but I have no problem putting it in jazz, and I would probably put it closer to jazz than I would rock.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

I'm having an issue which you mentioned, and maybe we're just like I have this big cabinet which I put on my albums, but yeah, it's a huge cabinet. There's a space, it's gonna become a space thing. And I've almost started, I've like pulled some things out. Some of the albums I got from my dad, they're great, but there's some that I would not really pretty much not listen to very much. It's almost like I pulled out, like started pulling out to make space, like albums that maybe not Sinatra, not Nat King Cole, but there's like artists like I don't know, my dad had a bunch of like Andy Williams, you know. It's like okay, I'm gonna put that, Andy's gonna go aside. Maybe I'll ever maybe I'll pull it out someday, but not it's not a go-to or whatnot. His Christmas stuff is awesome, but I have I have no idea about his his regular stuff.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Same thing with but it's like with you know things like that.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

So I almost got like another section, another like those go into the crates or whatever, where that's you know. I my wife would say just stop.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

You have no desire or no inkling whatsoever to ever get rid of those, right? No, they're your dad, they were your dads. Like if I could go back, because my dad was never as long as I was alive, was never a collector. Mom was always if I could get my hands on my mom's old records. Are you kidding me? I would never, never get rid of those. I mean, those would just be sacred to me. Like, I was never a big Melissa Manchester fan, but she had several Melissa Manchester records. I would keep those. She had Linda Ronstadt. Get me into my what my wife does really doesn't like Linda Ronstadt. It breaks my heart. Really? She doesn't, man. Every time she hears Blue Bay You, she gets annoyed. I'm like, that's a great song. Oh my god. But then I have to check myself because you could say the same thing about you know Kat Stevens and James Taylor. So teach his own, right? Oh yeah. Teach his own. Oh yeah. I was I was curious what you would think about. Like, I'm looking at the collection now and I just feel so much happier. All this stuff fits better. I love the fact that I'm just looking up there to see where I would have. I love the fact that I have ah, of course, I can't see. So but I love the fact that Buddy guy is in the same section with uh gov and guided by voices.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

That just makes like it makes your heart happy.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

That's the section, if they have it, that's the section that always kind of is like the if they have a R B section. It's like that's very I don't know, ambiguous or very like, what is R B really? I mean, is it like you put like a Prince album in RB?

SPEAKER_01 35:19

You know, just because there's an artist that good luck finding right a cat a solid consistent category because that guy did everything. He did straight up RB, he did rock and roll, he did soul and funk and jazz. Yeah, I mean, and I've done that too. I've I've categorized things as it differently in discogs, so it might be in a different category. Elvis Costello is another one, like he has a couple of country albums, he has a class, a couple of classical albums. He's he did an album with the roots, uh, but they all go in the same section. Less compartmentalization, people, less division. Uh it just doesn't make sense. I don't have anything else, man. I was just freeforming a little bit today.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

Yeah, that's you know, that's it. I probably I don't know. I'd with my big break to run outside and talk to painters and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

It's cool, man. I want to I want to throw this stuff on the podcast. I've been listening to, you know, when I ran out, I do love IndyCast. They came back, they used to be a part of Uprocks. Uprocks decided they weren't going to continue the podcast. Now they're with Amazon music, which is cool. Okay. Um, and so in the interim, I'm like, I don't have anything to listen to because I would listen to Echo Chamber, same thing as Kevin hooked me into Echo Chamber, that's the Mike D podcast. Um, and so I started diving around and listening to other formats, some musical, some true crime, some whatever. And I noticed my favorite conversations were the ones where they just talked about life. Why don't we just talk about because it's funny, like life is funny, like sometimes. Like the fact that your mom, you the fact that your your wife and your daughter got in the car was playing, but us. Right. Like, and they're like, Trying to turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

I'm like, my components inside, I can't, yeah. It just you know, it was the last thing that was on, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

I love the fact that their first inkling is turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

Right. They're laughing at me or whatever. Like, okay, whatever, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

It's probably because of me. That's all right, blame me. Um all right. Well, like I said, I don't have anything else.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Uh it's good. We've been long enough, I think. People are like, okay, this is like, what are they talking about? No. But hey, let us know what you want to hear about. Let I mean, give us a you know, 1969 or any other year, let us know about an album or an artist, or you know, we love to, like you said, we're celebrating the diversity of music, but we love to celebrate music that maybe people don't know about, right? So if you already know who Jim Sullivan is and you're like, they're just talking about, yeah, I know that. But if you know, if you haven't heard it, go listen to it. If you got an album like that that you've discovered or found or just blew you away, let us know. We'll talk about it, listen to it, things like that. We'd love to discover and also share.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

So yeah, please. Those are I mean, seriously, that we talked about the Gene Clark album. Oh my god. Those are some of my favorite albums. Ones where it's like, how on earth is the planet slept on this album? So right, okay. Well, I'm good if you're good.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

I'm good. Sweet. We will see y'all later. All right. Take take it easy. Take care, everyone.