S6 – Ep 21 | Beyond the Hits: Overlooked Albums from 1963

This week, Craig and Kevin travel back to 1963, revisiting a year dominated by hit singles and exploring what was happening beyond the top of the charts.

The guys begin by reviewing some of the year's biggest songs before turning their attention to albums they feel deserve more recognition. Kevin spotlights Back Porch Bluegrass by The Dillards, a groundbreaking release that helped expand the possibilities of bluegrass music. Craig counters with Mess of Blues, a bluesy jazz collaboration from Johnny Hodges and Wild Bill Davis that also features the masterful guitar work of one of Craig's all-time favorites, Kenny Burrell.

Along the way, the conversation touches on the difference between popular success and lasting artistic value, as well as the challenge of uncovering overlooked gems from an era often remembered primarily for its singles.

From bluegrass innovation to jazz-blues excellence, this episode shines a light on some of 1963's lesser-known treasures.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

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SPEAKER_00 0:21

Hello and welcome to schizophrenic music. This is Kevin, and I am here with my good buddy Craig. Alright, gonna talk some music and some maybe have a beverage and you know go through a certain year back a few years. Nice. Some underappreciated music, things like that. So, what you got going on? Well, I got a beer. Alright. I guess I can grab one too.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Mine is so if you follow us, then you know what we had last week, or this will remind you of what I had last week. I bought a variety pack, an IPA uh variety pack from a brewery called Bearded Iris. And this is another one from that. It's called Homestyle. This is kind of like their go-to honey style? I don't know. Home style. Uh Homestyle. Yeah, this is the this is like their go-to beer. Um super hazy, gorgeous beer, six percent alcohol, so good. What you got?

SPEAKER_00 1:25

I have one of those old go-to's that we've had, I've had many times, and you probably had in here as well. But from one of my favorite, more, you know, favorite breweries, and that's a founder's all day IPA. Just a great session IPA. Can't beat it.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

That beer is a lifesaver because if you're at a beer fest, if you're at a uh a music festival, if you get a long haul, if you're doing something, if you're going on a hike or whatever, and you're gonna be out there for a couple hours, you can drink those and the name says it all. You don't have to worry about getting hammered to grade. It's 4.7. I mean, that's and it's delicious. Yeah, that's the thing. I've I've had several beers that are in that four and a half percent, and it's like you can't even taste it. That beer's delicious. You're like right, right. All right, uh, you want to count us down?

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Sure. We got a three, two, one. It may have been perfect, I don't know, but I'm just saying. And I do have I do have an all-day IPA glass. Do you really?

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Like an actual, not just the founders, but an all-day IPA glass.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

All day IPA glass. Badass.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

I got my trusty uh idle hounds glass here. I'm always representing idle hounds.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

I usually rep uh sweet water like all the time, but so there's my all-day IPA.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Cheers. Once again, another bad cheers. Another bad pour, but that's all right. It's gonna be I think uh when we were when I was driving this home the other day, uh somebody pulled out in front of me and I literally slammed on the brakes and the beer went forward. So it's shaken, not stirred, let's say. Right, there you go. Uh all right, so this week we are doing once again our journey of 1960 to 2025, overlooked, underrated, or both albums of our selection. This is 1963, and it is our last year. It's the last album from the 60s. 1960 that we've covered every single year from the 60s. It's the first decade that we have uh spanned the entire decade, which is interesting. Kevin and I are talking about this before we launched, before we started recording. 60s is a lot more challenging. When you especially when you look at my list, you're gonna see a trend, and you know what I'm gonna select. Um I'll let I'll let you speak. See what you get your so I can't like you may go jazz.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

I can't legitimately, not legitimately, I can't honestly or you know, go jazz because I don't have a lot of jazz albums, you know. I've kind of I've always I've gone back and got things, but I'm not gonna say this is an underappreciated jazz album because I don't know as you know, I you know, right, like it or don't, you know, so on and so forth. Well the 60s, especially the early 60s, I can do late 60s because there's a lot of underappreciated or overlooked or not even known like proto metal, like heavy, like hard rock bands that were like right around that time of you know, right before or right around like that purple Zeppelin, you know, that type of time frame. You know, we talked about like the good like late 70s uh or early 60s, late 60s, early 70s, like Detroit bands, stuff like that. There's really good hard rock in the 60s, late 60s. Absolutely. But like if you look through like you know, I go to like Digital Dream Door is one of my resources. I go and look at if you look to like the best albums from 63, and it's all like uh there's some I mean there's some fabulous albums on there, but it's all kind of like eh.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

It's not like nothing real, it's like I just don't get excited for like it sounds wrong. Early rock and roll. You know, like it's kind of like it's just kind of like oh it's it's oh it's fun, you know, but there's not a lot that that's like really like grabs you and and whatnot. That's kind of how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

So I agree with you. I think the tough thing about the early, even up through maybe 64, 65, I don't think that's an album decade. No, it didn't really become an album year. The years didn't really become album focused until 66, maybe 66, but 67 and beyond is when albums became a team. Music became, and I'm not knocking, I've I've got a list, literally, I've got a Billboard year-in hot 100 singles list from 1963, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

I mean, if you look at like Digital Dream Door, just off top, like there the there's great albums on here, and there's great like Soul or RB. Yeah, for sure. There's great soul, there's great rock and roll, there's great, you know, I mean, Lie with the Apollo, James Brown, Please Please Me, the Beatles, Freewheeling Bob Dylan with the Beatles, uh Sam Cook's Beach Boy Surfing USA, Roy Orbison, Little Stevie Wonder, the 12-year-old genius. I mean, Solomon Burke, there's really, really good stuff in there. Right. But then if you're talking about like overlooked, there's not a lot, like you get down, you start going down, it's like you start getting all like the I don't know, Jan and Dean, and like, oh, okay, that just does that doesn't excite me. Right. You know, it's like oh, the you know, the Rivingtons, Barbara, you know, it's like like Leslie Gore, I'll cry if I want to. Like, oh, yeah, okay, that was cool. It's nostalgic and whatever, but it's just not uh the chiffons, he's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

I mean, that just uh that that's not what so here are the uh I'll go through and I'll I'll start reading some of these out, and obviously you're gonna know a lot of these, and some of these you won't know, or some of these you might not think you know, but maybe we know. Uh but a lot of them are big. Uh number one, this is the top ten singles at the end of the year of 1963. Uh Surfing USA from The Beach Boys. Okay, great song. Skeeter Davis, The End of the World. Okay. Uh Rhythm of the Rain, The Cascades. I'm uh Okay. Chiffon's He's So Fine, great song. Blue Velvet, Bobby Venton. Hey Paula from Paula and Paula. Paul and Paula. Uh Fingertips Part 2 from Little Stevie Wonder. This is before he was known as Stevie. He was known as Little Stevie. Uh Andy Williams, can't get used to losing you. Uh The Angels, my boyfriend's back, uh, and so forth. Peter Paula Mary's in there with uh Blowin' in the wind from what is that? They had two. They had Puff the Magic Dragon Dragon and Blowing in the Wind 12 and 13. The Safaris wipeout. Okay. This is all stuff that's fun, but a good portion, but it's but a good portion of this stuff is not albums. A lot of these are just singles. You know, like the surfing USA, yes, that's on an album. Skeeter Davis, I'm not sure. I'll be honest, but I'm just looking, you know, Bobby Darren, the four seasons, Inez and Charlie Fox, uh, The Chantez, Jan and Dean, Surf City. I do like some Jan and Dean. Uh I don't mind a little surf rock, but what your heat wave from Martha and the Vandelas, of course.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Um, there's great songs, but like you're saying, but you were saying it's more of a singles thing, like name another song from the safaris besides Wipeout. There's not, you know, it's not it's not a thing. There's the no one talked about the great safaris album, right? It was like Wipeout, right? Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

I yeah, I'm right there with you. Look, I, you know, I love me some Ray Charles. He's got a song busted that was big in '63. Uh I mean, there's Kai Winding. I just Kai Winding's jazz, you know, so that's cool. Lonnie Mack, Memphis, some blues. Okay, cool. Brenda Lee. I do like me some Brenda Lee. Brenda Lee? Yeah, Roy Orbison, Mean Woman Blues. So these are Tony Bennett. These are originality, but it gets more like it's kind of rockin'. It's like Yeah. No, I'm with you, I'm with you. We I've talked about this before of like uh I remember downloading um it came up on the anniversary for Chuck Berry. And I had I've always I had always growing up in the being in the CD world, I always owned a CD called the Great 28, which is amazing. But I went and downloaded like his first five or six albums when it came up on his anniversary, because I was thinking about buying the box set. I could care less about 70, 80% of the music. It was just and Chuck Berry's an icon. I know he did so much for rock and roll, soul, the guitar, did so much. It just musically doesn't move me that much. Now I'm not it doesn't move me that much. This is also somebody that loves early Elvis, loves early Buddy Holly. So I get it. I play some Buddy Holly stuff, and Becca's like, oh guys, kind of all sounds the same. I go, I know, but I just love him. Uh so I get why somebody, but to me, if this was all I was listening to, I would just be so not motivated by music, I guess. I don't know. It just it doesn't move me.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

So yeah. Just I mean it's good, and it's like the fun, you know. But like, yeah, how many times can I listen to I don't know. He's so fine. I mean, that's a great song, right? I don't really need to hear he's so fine right now. I mean, it's just like, oh, that's cool. Yeah. You know, I mean, I still don't know how my sweet lord sounds like I mean, I still I still have an issue with that. You know, I do. I was like, what? Right. I know the tunes there, but anyways, I don't know. But but then you know that's a whole different can of worms.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

I hate that because I I I love uh George Harrison and love that album so much. Yeah, yeah. Agree.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Yeah. Um but what I wanna, but anyways, I was going. I think we do need an album, right? But uh so I was looking and I got I was I was flipped through the albums that I own, you know, looking through and same here. Sometimes my Apple music messes up, and it does a so there are things that's missing, you know, or it'll show show the wrong year or what the year it was re-release and things like that, which bothers me, you know. But I was looking through 63, I'm like one, it was small. Oh, for sure. And two, it was everything's like, well, that's too well known, that's too big. That's what so I started looking through and just started like exploring, and I'm like, I went like first time I ever listened to an album, but you know, there was certain one, and I was like listening and just looking different stuff, and there's an album that and I'm like, well, that sounds interesting, and I I'll admit I you know wasn't like a huge fan, but I started listening to it and I'm like, this is excellent, and never heard of it before, you know, but it's a band called The Dillards. Have you heard of the Dillards? Not even remotely, no. That's cool. All right, so this the album is called Back Porch Bluegrass. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

I'm looking that up now. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

And it's like, and I was like, so I was like, because it actually was one of the digital deodorants, they like lost, like they do a thing where they say, like, uh, lost or un they do it, what is it? What is it? What do they call it as I'm talking here? They call it at the little bottom of their best sub. They'll say, an unheralded great album from 1963, and like all all the dudes that do the list pick one. So like one was Walking in New Orleans by Fats Domino, one was In the Wind by Peter Paul Brothers, Back Porch Bluegrass by Dillard. So I'm like, well, what's that? So I started looking. I'm like, okay. And I started so I just pulled it up and started listening to it. I'm like, this is just really, really good. I mean, I'm not a huge bluegrass guy, but I appreciate authentic, just good bluegrass. And it's just strong. I mean, it's just good. Okay. And like, like they look, then started listening to it, and I was reading about them. I'm like, well, that's kind of it's one of those things they definitely were overlooked. Whatever, like one of the leading lights of progressive bluegrass in the 60s played a major part in modernizing and popularizing, popularizing the sound of bluegrass, and were also an underappreciated influence on country rock.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

Many fans learned about them because they used to play acoustically on the Andy Griffith show. Oh no! Okay, they were on there. He goes, and they were one of the first ones to electrify, I guess, their their instruments and whatnot, their sound, influencing the birds, the eagles, Elton John, yada yada yada. He goes, with who they later toured with Elton John, but widespread commercial success evaded them. But their pioneering late 60s albums received critical acclaim. So I'm like, you know, it's one of those things like never got their due. People were influenced by them, but nobody, you know, nobody remembers or really knows about them. So I started listening to this album. I'm like, this is just good, straight up, like I love bluegrass, picking bluegrass, man. I I you know, when you're in a I I'm not always in a bluegrass food, but when you want to hear some of that, like really good, like authentic bluegrass, oh that's good stuff, man.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

I think of bluegrass in the fall when I want to go to the mountains. When I go want to go see the mountains. Yeah, I want to go see the leaves change color. Listen to this critical reception. This came from Wikipedia. The Encyclopedia of Popular Music wrote that the album helped establish the group as one of America's leading traditional acts, although purist uh denigrated the band's sometimes irrelevant attitude. Whatever. Uh music hound folk, the essential album guide, wrote that it contains a smoking version of Duel and Banjos ten years before deliverance. Ten years. I'm listening to this tonight.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Tonight. It's good stuff, man. Uh I was listening just today. I was ripping in the car. I'm like, this is good stuff. It's just a strong is it.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Do you know if it's on Apple Music? I'm sure it is. It is. Okay, sweet. I'm adding it right now. Um that's awesome. See, I don't care if it's something you grew up with. To me, I don't care. Because we didn't grow up with Fred Neil, we didn't grow up with Jim Sullivan. I don't care. This is exactly this is exactly what you want. The Dillards. Ah, they've got all kinds of stuff afterwards, too.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Yeah, I guess like the one of the sons or somebody like one of the main guys passed away, and their son or someone kind of revitalized or brought out some of the old, I don't know, they brought out old tapes or what? Something. That's all. Like, what does it like a Dillard's revival began in the late 80s, yielding three studio records. After the death of founding member Doug Dillard in 2012, his brother Rodney recorded a tribute to the Dillard's legacy and released another old, you know, release something new or old stuff, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

So yeah. Awesome. Yeah, they've got uh Decade Waltz in 79, Let It Fly 91, uh Take Me Along for the Ride, 92. And they put out one in 2020 and then one in 2025. That one looks like maybe an archival release. Super cool. Awesome, man. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

I appreciate that. So Back Porch Bluegrass by the Dillards. Go check it out. Killer, killer pick. Um dudes just sitting around picking, you know. It's just that's so much fun. Uh uh, what you got there? I love, I love bluegrass.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

All right, so I did go with some jazz. There's a ton of dino, right? Come on, bro. I'm unpredictable. Um, there are a ton of records that I feel like the general public doesn't know, but they're huge albums. Like Joe Henderson's debut album. Um Kenny Burrell put out an Immaculate album. Um there's just so many great albums from 1963.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Was that Joe Henderson album that I just listened to the other day? Was that 63? Page one.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Yeah. Yeah. Uh it's not only his debut, but it's his debut on Blue Note, and then they say it's one of the best debut albums on Blue Note. Oh, it's excellent. It's I I love that record. This is uh a record that I took a flyer on when I was at a record store. Oh this wasn't the one that I purchased in uh in Ann Arbor, but I was traveling somewhere. This might have been Florida, but anyway, I was at a record store I wasn't familiar with, and I saw it and I'm like, it's on Verve. I like Johnny Hodges. I don't know a lot about him. Uh I've been hearing a lot about this wild Bill Davis who plays organ, flipped over the cover, and lo and behold, who plays guitar on this album? But Kenny Burrell, one of my favorites, favorite guitarists of all times. And it goes, old, done. Eight bucks. Eight bucks. You can find this super clean copy. Less of blues. Less of blues from Johnny Hodges and Will, Wild Bill Davis. They don't even put Kenny Burrell on this album cover, which is you know didn't Kenny have some things in 63? I saw some Grant Grant Green had some 63 albums too. MI Blue from Grant Green came out. Uh Kenny Burrell had a really has a really good album. It was my second, that was my ultimate one with Jimmy Smith called Blue Bash. Oh, I love that album. But I'm gonna go with this because I uh this is not Harbop. This is more traditional kind of Johnny Hodges was definitely more of kind of like a just a more of a swing jazz guy, but he leaned into the blues on this album. It is super streamlined, it's very easy to listen to, not elevator-ish, but very easy. Uh, I just love it. I absolutely love this record. Was such a uh a wonderful find. I love the album cover, I just think it's a cool album cover. And like I said, you can find this used in a record store for I mean, I bet if you you could find a mint copy of this thing for 15 bucks or less. And this thing is in great shape. I think maybe the only thing that knocks the uh the price down is there's a hole punch in it, but whatever. I don't care, it's in great shape. Um, and it does say I'm a back featuring Kenny Burel, and I'm like, no shit. He's like of all these guys, he probably I don't know, Johnny Hodges. Right, the most right I think at this point in time, like notoriety-wise, he's he has more notoriety than I do love some Johnny Hodges. I've got like three or four Johnny Hodges records. He's done some stuff with um uh Jerry Mulligan. He's done collaborations with um uh Duke Ellington. And the write-up on this, I'll just read this real quick from uh Scott Yanow, another really acclaimed writer from AllMusic. In the 1960s, Altoist John Hodges took a brief time off from Duke Ellington's orchestra to record eight albums with organist Wild Bill Davis. I do love Wild. I've got some Illinois Jackie, I've got a couple of Wild Bill Davis records. He is awesome. Uh for this, their third collaboration, the duo welcome guitarist Kenny Burrell, trumpeter Joe Wilder, and either Ossie Johnson or Ed Shaughnessy on drums. Hodges plays typically beautifully on such numbers as I cried for you, Lost in Meditation, and Stolen Sweets. And although no real surprises occur, and the playing time around here is only a uh a half hour, which is quite brief, the perform the performances are up to par. However, the music on this is long out of print yet to appear on CD. So that doesn't really matter anything. I think that the timing of this, and it's just it's not something that's gonna super like just actually blow your socks off. It's not a revolutionary album. It's just a great album. They give this three stars. I think this is at the very Least the muser rating is four stars. I think it's a four-star album. I think these kind of albums are very, very underrated in the jazz world because we need jazz that we can sit and absorb and not just be like and yeah, and you can absorb it in the background. You don't have to be like, oh my god, I gotta stop what I'm doing. You know, like the minute you hear, you know, kind of blue or you hear giant steps, I get it. It's like holy crap. And I feel that same way about the the Joe Henderson album, page one. There's moments on that where it's like, what is he doing? That's so incredible. This is not that album, but it's just oh good. This is good jazz. And I feel like this is a good entry point for somebody that wants to get out of swing and orchestral jazz and get into more of a four-piece, five-piece band, but aren't ready for hard bop. This is your gateway. Great album. Yeah. Mesa Blues, Johnny Hodges, Wild Bill Davis, Kenny Burrell. Freaking love this album. Excellent. But I have to say, there's uh we should go through our list. We should recount our recap our list. We're gonna recap our list. Maybe we'll do it, you know, decades.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

Yeah, because I forget what I picked.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Yeah, because I I went through the list, and there's several times there was like there's several bands that Kevin's brought up. I'm just like, I have no idea who this is, but I have an idea of what that might sound like. Uh and I've listened to it. That's really good. Uh this might be the biggest surprise because it's from 1963, and it's bluegrass, and you're talking about the birds, all these bands have said this is, I mean, this is instrumental, this is what I listened to, this is what I cut my teeth on. Uh, this might be the one I'm most excited about. Like, legitimately on the porch, cigar and some whiskey, listen to some bluegrass tonight for sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Uh I mean, I'd I if I put on bluegrass at home, not that I'm saying the family doesn't enjoy it or you are, but they'd be like, you know, if I'm playing bluegrass and cooking dinner, I'd be like, what are you really? Like, what do you, you know? I'm like, hey, you know. But you're saying, like, sitting out, yeah. That it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Yeah. Um, I think bluegrass is one of those things too, where it's just uh it comes and goes, there's phases of it. Like, I mean, one of the most popular artists right now out there on the touring scene is a bluegrass, yeah, bluegrass virtuoso. The guy is amazing. Uh seriously, not only one of the best bluegrass players, but the best guitar players ever is Billy Strange. Um his fan base is massive. And he's he's a traditionalist. He is a traditional bluegrass guy. He can write some pop, don't get me wrong. But man, right, that guy. Uh, so I I I don't think people really understand bluegrass that well. And I don't know, it's kind of like Tom talked about this, like when you go out to Spain or whatever, there's some guy playing flamico guitar, and he gets he's literally playing for nickels and dimes, and he's one of the best guitarists you've ever heard, but nobody gives a shit. Right, right, right. Go to the mountains, go to the Blue Ridge Mountains, and just hit up some venue where they're playing live music. It's the same thing there. It's like you've got the next Roy Clark, you've got the next just amazing guitar playing. I I don't know. As I I don't know, it maybe it's an old man thing. I don't know how older I have more appreciation for it, but but I'm stoked. I I do it, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

I do have hope, not hope, but it is cool that like a Billy Strings is as popular as Billy Strings is, right? I mean it's like he's huge, you know, and I know it's sort of kind of you when I he was like in the jam, you know, jam band, jam band fans uh embrace like certain forms and different things that maybe wouldn't initially be uh you know accepted or whatever, but you know, it's like they do, like there's you know, like like bluegrass or you know, funk or whatever. But you know, it's cool. But then there's like and then I I'm surprised sometimes that that people are as popular as they are, like that, and going totally off track, but that Leve who is doing like yeah, yeah, it's and like she's she is hugely popular with like my daughter loves her, and that that people of that age, young people, and it's really like she's old old jazz slash classical. I mean, it's old jazz, she's incredible straight up, she's incredible, she's incredible, but I'm like, and these and these teenagers are liking her. I'm like, okay, I love it. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

I absolutely love it. She I saw her um, I saw her um uh track star, and I I thought she was incredibly charming, yeah, very well educated, very well, very articulate. She's young, she's super young, and that helps with the appeal. And Billy Strings is young too. He's not that young, but he's young too. Um I but if you look at the audience, that's another thing I was gonna say. If you look at the audience for Billy Strings, it covers the map. There's people our age and older, and then there's teenagers, and that's what I think is cool. Um I just think there's that that style and there's that diversity. It's out there, it's totally out there, people. It's and you might not hear it on the radio at night, not be on every TV show you're hearing. But maybe it is, you know. Another one, too, that you've been listening to forever, that I feel like is like a huge, huge um to me, she's a huge advocate and a huge um big, she's a huge figure for for bluegrass and for uh for traditional folk is Rihanna Giddens. She's yeah, Rihanna is amazing is amazing. Uh and she's played with a billion different bands. She's played with people her age, because she's not she's not old, she's young, right? I mean, she's what in her 30s? Um and and she's playing some incredible music. Uh so it's definitely out there. But to me, I just I think the whole folk thing uh and bluegrass thing, it it's starting to come back around, and I love it. Absolutely. I will say too, I told Kevin this earlier, um, this past weekend we were somewhere and they, you know, we were at a dive bar, and I said, damn it, dude. Every time I I I know who it is, but I'll do a Shazam, and I'm like, I know this is the dead, but I'm just gonna shazam it and find out what album this is off of. I am so slowly but surely becoming a deadhead because the songs that I'm hearing, man, I it is blues, it is bluegrass, it is folk. I they're like the whole jam scene thing, I think needs to be redefined because it it it all kind of started with them, but it's so much more than what I think people think it is. And The Dead is definitely one of those bands where they're so much bigger and diverse than I think people give them credit for because I've heard stuff from them and I'm like, this sounds like this could be on a meters album, or this sounds like this, you know, it could be RB, it could be soul, it could be whatever. I think Grateful Dead might be one of the most diverse bands out there, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

I yeah, I mean, I don't want to yeah, I would agree, and that's what I'm saying. One of the things that that I loved about our embraced the dead, and they turned me on to other things, you know, that maybe I didn't listen to or wouldn't listen to, or not or wouldn't listen to, but like because they were all over the place. They were pulling from like old like old bulk, old blues, old like jug band type stuff. There's like things that you would like, you know, like oh cool, they're pulling like country song, you know, and then like that that acoustic album that that album that song you Jerry almost acoustic. I mean they're pulling like excellent, you know, like deep Ellen Blues, and they're pulling like different stuff in Race is on, like George Jones type.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

I mean, it's like there's there's yeah, I we could we could do a whole new we could do a whole episode. I think we could do a whole episode, me, you and Mark could do a whole episode on on the dead, and you guys could educate me and like give me, say, okay, hey, we're all gonna listen to the three or four following albums, and it's gonna span a wide variant. So it could be American Beauty, and then it could be another live album, it could be the uh the Garcia acoustic, almost acoustic. Um, I think that would be a fun journey because like I said, the more and more I'm hearing from them, because you know when you hear certain voices, you know when you hear Garcia that it's Garcia, right? But I don't think there's there's a song I played for Becca. We were on a hike one time, and I go, You have to listen to the song. Um and it was it was this weird blend of country and soul. And she said, Wow, and I said, You know who that was? She goes, No, I said it's Grateful Dead Man. I said, I'm telling you, there is a misnomer to this band, and she goes, That was excellent. And I was like, I know, right? You know, she did the same thing with the band. The first time she heard that self-titled band album, that she is like, holy crap! And I go, I know it's not just up on Cripple Creek. There's this band is incredible. Um, but yeah, the dead man, we need to we need to dive more into that.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

I I think people are selling certain there's certain bands like that that people are selling them short because they just think they're like a uh, you know, I'm not saying everyone or anything like that. I mean, obviously they're a huge, huge band, right? They were. But like they they see something and they form an opinion, right? And that's it, right? They see like the skulls and everything else, and they then they think they're the hippie band, and okay, they and they don't ever really give them a real fair shake, you know, and they're not a radio band at all. No, you know, you hear like a couple songs, and that's it. Kind of same thing with like Iron Maiden. People see that and they they have opinion.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

That's exactly what I was gonna say. It's not all that unlike some metal bands we listen to. I think Iron Maiden is a prime example of a band that I think a their depiction, their mascot, you know, that like with The Grateful Dead, you've got the the skulls and the dancing bears and whatever. Uh I think it's really the audience that sometimes the right the the hippie audience that they grew up with. You can say that about a lot of the bands from Woodstock era, but uh maiden, for example, and I love Eddie. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm I I love Eddie, I love his depiction, I love all that, but because I get it, I get what they're going for. But when you play Iron Maiden for somebody, if you show them like a live performance, they're like, oh, they're not nearly as heavy and as demonic as I was. They're they they think Slayer, right? You know, and I'm like, bro, they're they're not they're actually really melodic and very so, but I think the dead, more than anything else, seriously might be the most typecast, improperly typecast and improperly marketed, not even marketed, but just depicted band. Because from what I've heard, it's nothing, it's nothing like a lot of the bands that have created the new jam scene. Um right, honestly. And it makes sense too, because like I said, my favorite my favorite discovery from Kevin over the last like several years is Roe City Band. Rose City Band is like a modern grateful dead. Yeah. I mean I love them. I absolutely love that band. So anyway, that's all I got, man. That's all you got? That's all I got. That's all I got. I you can tell I'm like, hey, we need to to to get off the line here because I gotta go listen.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

I gotta go listen. You gotta go listen to uh the Dillards. The Dillards. But uh hey, it's I might go play it myself and cook something or whatever. I don't know, we'll see. Well, yeah, total good. Listen to the Dillards, listen to the was it Mesa Blues, listen. I mean, yep, pull out some stuff, get tell us what you think. You go to uh schizomusicpod at gmail.com. I know we get some stuff. We we don't always pull up all the listener emails or whatever, but we and we should pull out some stuff and talk and you know, share. And hey, recommend something if you say, oh, like you gotta listen to this. Uh we're always open for a recommendation for sure.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

I gotta check out. I'm sorry, man. It's been a couple of weeks since I checked email. I gotta check that out. We probably have a couple uh hanging in there at least. Yeah, tell us what you think. Uh last time we got a really good some some really good recommendations, so uh we would appreciate it. But yeah, uh next week, I'll give you a little uh a teaser here. We're going back, keep going back to the 2000s. There's a lot of gaps in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, but going back to 2001, so we'll feature an album from 2001. Uh so preemptively, if you want to tell us what your two album is from 2001, hit us up. All right. Uh that's all we got. Until next week, take care. Take it easy.