S6 – Ep 23 | Dry July, Road Trips & Forgotten Albums from 1990

Craig and Kevin kick things off the only way they know how—with a beer in hand...well, almost. Kevin enjoys his usual brew while Craig embarks on "Dry July" with a non-alcoholic alternative. Wish him luck.

The conversation then turns to recent travels, with Kevin sharing stories from the Bahamas and Craig recounting his time in Kansas City and St. Louis, discussing the local culture, memorable music experiences, and the unique vibe each destination brings.

From there, the guys revisit 1990 for their featured albums of the week. Craig spotlights Fly Me Courageous from Drivin N Cryin, a Southern rock classic that helped define the band's signature sound. Kevin counters with Billy's Live Bait by Gear Daddies, an overlooked Midwestern rock gem filled with sharp songwriting and heartfelt performances.

To wrap things up, it's another round of Dig It or Dump It, where Kevin weighs in on a fresh batch of music-related topics and a few entertaining curveballs.

Whether it's life on the road, rediscovering forgotten albums, or debating the finer points of music fandom, this episode has a little something for everyone.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello and welcome to Schizophrenic Music. This is Kevin and I am here with Craig. Yo yo. Yo, how are you doing? Good, good, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

How's everybody else? Welcome in. How's everybody doing out there?

SPEAKER_01 0:16

If you've been here before, hey, thank you. Welcome back. First time, welcome. So, hey, talk some music, drink a beer, whatever comes to mind.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Cool. Cool. Um I have decided after all the escapades over the last several months, especially this past month, that I am deeming this dry July. Dry July. I know, man, I gotta do it. Um I'll explain, I'll explain why. Um I mean it's pretty simple. But so I'm I'm going it with a non-alcoholic beer today, but it's really good. Uh from Go Brewing called Sunbeam Pills. Alright. That's good. I know you that doesn't get you excited, but I like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

No, I I've been really thinking about maybe trying some of the non-alcoholic ones because I feel like it's gonna it's not we're not doing therapy or anything, but sometimes I just want I want the you know, it's more of like the act of drinking a beer. It's this, you know, you gotta have you got a beer in your hand and you're just you know, but you don't really want to drink, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah, or you don't really need another one.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Right. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

That's not the problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

The problem had one, you didn't, you need you. I don't know. I don't know if it's just tricking yourself, but you know, you don't need another one, but hey, I could have one because it's not really another one, right? Right, exactly. Uh, what do you have? I have this have had this before, I think, and they've changed the uh well they've updated I've had it on here, but I updated the packaging. But this is from uh one of my favorite brews, just right down the street. Brewery says six bridges, it is the medlock, which is the hazy IPA.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

They did change the packaging. I haven't seen that hazy. I haven't seen that packaging. That was cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Yeah. So the medloc, my six bridges brewing. Great, good stuff. All right, just a sucker for the hazy. I can't be like I'm always going that direction, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

I do too, typically. All right, you ready?

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Perfect, I don't know, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Um so Kevin and I have been traveling. Yes, sir. And uh his is far more exciting. He went to a far he went to a place that most people strive to. I went to a place that we just we randomly went and had a blast.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

But uh that's I kind of like doing that though, man. And you just don't have a reason or a thing. Cheers. Cheers, man. So like almost any city, I mean not any city, but yeah, almost any city can be cool and fun. There's things to do anywhere. You can just like go, I'm gonna go to Cincinnati, and you're gonna find some cool things to do, right? You're just gonna do whatever's going on there, and you know, it might not be, you know, might not be Paris or whatever, but you know, for a short, for like a long weekend or a few days or something, it's just you know, you can definitely find some fun anywhere. Hell yeah, you know. We got stuck or we went to Columbus, Georgia. We're like, oh, that's cool. We found a couple of cool things to do, and you know, I don't know, a couple years ago when we had a night, had to stay over or whatever, but anyways, that's going there in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

She's got a she's got a friend of hers that her and her husband live in Columbus, they love it. Real close to the much closer to the beach.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Yeah, you gotta go to the lunchbox museum. They have a lunchbox museum, which is really kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

But you know, isn't it funny the museums like out here in Chattanooga? We have a towing museum. Yeah, I saw that. I was like, okay. Um, so Kevin went to the Bahamas.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Uh yeah, went to the Bahamas.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

How was it?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

It was cool. Very cool. Good time. Can't complain at all. I mean, it was good. It was it was fun. It wasn't, I felt like I was not this isn't a complaint, but I was like, oh, I'm just gonna, you know, gonna I thought it was gonna be more relaxing than it was, you know. I felt like I was running. Not like running because we were doing like not going to like I don't know, London where you gotta like do this tour and this visit this castle and do this. It's more just like we were there and you know, there was like a water park, and my son was like, let's run over and do that. So we're just constantly like, you know, I mean we did relax, of course, on the beach and stuff like that, but right it was just a lot of you know walking around within the place.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

But any uh any music, like outdoor music or anything, see anything?

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Really, I mean some indoor, but they were doing like an 80s thing that week, so there was like they were doing little 80s stuff, but that's cool. Just you know, we went to this one like fish fry and a dude was playing. I was gonna send you, I think I recorded. They were like, just had like the TV screen they were putting on music, and he was like, Oh, play some, you know, Bamian, and he just like it was like it was the video of a dude, like a DJ, just standing there and doing like playing, you know, Bahamian music. And it was kind of it was kind of cool, but yeah. And then there was like, well, I did see like the it's the junkanoo, like the people that walk there, you know, like they dress all up in the you know, regalia and whatnot, and playing like you know, the the horns and everything else, and the skin drum. That's like there's that's the big thing out there, yeah. Skin drum, and then they do different things, but that one, you know, but it we saw that you know they were walking around a couple nights, so that was that was cool as well. So it's kind of more traditional, probably playing to the tourists for sure, but you know, where you know, I guess where it originated and things like that. But right. So yeah, it's like we're gonna be playing like you know, playing reggae and stuff like that, and just kind of chilling.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

So nice. That's always good. That's all I'm I'm glad you guys I saw the picture because the the drinking age there is a little bit younger. So it's 18. So his daughter got a chance to have a real drink, right? Yeah, have a daiquiri, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Right, she had a daiquiri and whatnot. And you know, it's just like, and my son, you know, it's like you guys are allowing this? I'm like, you know, it is what it is, right? When in when we're lost, you know. She had known that. She's like, we didn't like say, hey, by the way, it's just like she, you know, researched and knew that already. But anyways, that's she said, I cannot wait.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Well, at least it was under parent parental supervision, so that's good. Um yeah, well, ours wasn't nearly as uh illustrious. Um I don't not say just saying it's not nearly as exotic. We'll say that because Bahamas are are beautiful. Uh we went to Kansas City and we went to St. Louis. Both were both were awesome. We knew Kansas City we were gonna like. We thought St. Louis was gonna let us down, and that we could not have been further from the truth. It was both were awesome. Kansas City uh had no idea it is a host city for uh for FIFA for the World Cup. Didn't know that. Really? Yeah, yeah. So everybody there thought, oh cool, you came down for the cup, and like had no idea it was here.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

So there are games there in Kansas City?

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yeah, yeah. There was a game.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

So our first night there, we just kind of you know hovered in the area, grabbed something to eat. The second uh night we went to uh Lonnie's Reno Club in uh that was really cool. I'll read up something. I didn't know him, uh, but he has quite an illustrious career. So his name is Lonnie McFadden. He's an American jazz trumpeter, trumpet player, tap dancer, singer, songwriter, arranging, arranger, and recording authors. McFadden is best known as an exuberant multi-genre performance style. He and his brother Ronald McFadden McFadden have performed a stage show for decades as the McFadden brothers. Um give you a little bio of what they've done. They played, they opened up for, they performed at a variety club telethon for Sammy Davis Jr. They played in 1986 the McFadden brothers danced in front of the Count Basie Orchestra at the historic 18th in Vine. From 1995 to 98, the McFadden brothers joined Las Vegas Entertainment giant Wayne Newton Stage Act, performing at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. This man is 70 years old and moves three to four times faster than you and I do combined. He's kind of like Doug Pennick. Hey, we we get a chance to mention King's X here. King's X, there you go. Uh one of those guys that's just like he's got so much energy and he just never ages. It's crazy. They're both 70. Uh incredible performance, that was great. Um, we went to Holiday Distillery in Weston, Missouri, and saw an artist. Her name is Natalie Proser. Uh P-R-A-U-S-E-R. This is perfect. Her bio is perfect because I was trying to do it. Is the is it country? Is it Americana? Some people don't like Americana. She's hers is Natalie Prosser blends the introspection of the 60s Laurel Canyon folk scene with the attitude of 70s outlaw country. Uh that's perfect. She was great, she was a ton of fun. Her grandmother was there watching her the entire time. It was awesome. Uh, not gonna lie, it had a lot of whiskey uh at that point. Uh, when you go on a tour, they give you a sample of everything at the end. Every time I'm with Becca, I get two of everything. And I said, You can go light. She didn't go light, so I'm drinking twice as much as everybody. So by the time we left, I was like, All right, I'm gonna need the breather. Um we hit up several breweries, uh, hit up this place, Blue Jay Brewing. Uh really cool brewery in in Kansas City. This is in St. Louis, uh, the one in Kansas City, you've heard of Boulevard, right? Yeah. Uh man, their facility is incredible. Absolutely incredible. Talked about hazy IPAs. They had like five or six, and they were all just stellar. Um, but Blue Jay was my favorite, man. Blue Jay was awesome. I had like a Jamaican lager. Really? It was kicked butt. Yeah, it's super light. I mean, it's not gonna blow you away, right? But I'm getting into Pilsner's lager, stuff like that. So it was cool. Uh, great trip. We listened to a lot of music. I'll I'll stop here and then we'll we can move on to our albums. But Kevin and I were talking about this may, I think, the last episode about bands that um kind of get mislabeled or identified by a single. And I mentioned Blind Melanie. Right. I realized after that I have not listened to that. I was at a at a brewery. Right. At a brewery in Nashville on the way back, and they played Tones of Home, and I'm like, man, God, I love this song. I'm gonna listen to this album on the ray on the way home. And I was just like, it was like listening to it for the first time. It was just awesome. That's a band. If you have not heard anything other than No Rain, do yourself a favor, go listen to that first album, follow it up with soup, and maybe play some Nico. That band absolutely kicks ass. Um, so that was good for the road trip. Anyway, um, unless you have something else, we I guess we can move on to our albums if you want to. It's up to you. All right, we can do that. We can do that. All right, what's our year again? 1990. 1990. 90. To uh just recap, we have been doing our exploration of 1960 to 2025. Overlooked, underrated albums, in our opinion, or both. Um, we have done all but 16. I said 17 last week, but okay. After this, we'll be down to 15 because there's one still there. It's crazy. So we've gone through quite a few. Um, this year being 1990. Um, Kevin, you are the the main host tonight, so let's I'll let you keep it.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

All right, let me let me see here. So all right, right. So when I was looking through 1990, and I was like, you know, there's there was that's a that was a good period. There was a lot of good stuff in 90. You know, I could pick something, you know, like that underrated, overlooked, you know, shake your moneymaker or something. No, but no, but I mean there was like obviously a lot of good stuff released in that year. There was a couple, there's a couple that I could have picked, and one, you know, I think I purchased at your store the second time because first I had it maybe on cassette. But uh, but there's this album, and I think I shared this with you a while back. You probably didn't listen to it because you just don't, you never you just ignore all my recommendations. I'm just I think it tends to be. I think this is it definitely, you know, I'm from Michigan originally, but this is I think these guys tend to maybe be bigger or more of a Midwestern band, and they never quite broke, you know. They I knew a lot of people that liked them or had this album back in college, and uh or like I think it went on a girl I knew and introduced me to them, and then they're like, Oh, and then I've heard them play, like I've heard a certain song, but anyways, the band is called Geardaddies. Yeah, Gear Daddies, and they have an album called Billy's Live Bait, and they're from Minnesota. I guess they started in Austin, Minnesota, but then they like basically relocated, had they were headquartered in Minneapolis, right? And that whole kind of alt-country scene kind of was going on. I guess what you know, what Jayhawks are up there too, right? And that kind of thing. But they were kind of so it's basically kind of alt-country, what you'd probably call it what Americana or whatever now, just good straight-ahead rock and roll, right? And it's just a really good album headed by the main guy whose name was Martin Zeller, and he this other guy, Charles, I think, Broughton, something like that. And basically they had this Billy's Live Bait, and it was just really good stuff. I guess they were on like uh Letterman, they got kind of started being known and but you know, kind of toured and played some things. They were in like in a their songs was in that one of those movies, uh, Mystery Alaska was a movie, they were in there and whatnot, but they never just quite made it at the next level. And there's a song on this album that's that you hear a lot if you go. Well, you I've heard it multiple times, but just because it's what it is, but it's called the uh basically the Zamboni song. So, and anytime you're at a hockey arena, a lot of times when they're driving the Zamboni around and you know, resurfacing the ice, they say, I want to drive the Zamboni, and they play this song. So they kind of got into some places because of the because of the you know the Zamboni song. But uh not that everybody knows, even if you probably go to nobody knows, hey, that's Gear Daddies, but anyways, cool gear daddies, Billy Slidebait, just good alt-country Americana rock and roll. I highly recommend if you're into that type of thing, if you like, you know, Jayhawks, things like that.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

So very cool. I did listen to that. Um, in fact, I think I bookmarked it and added it to my collection. I did not know that about the Zamboni. I was thinking that like, is that like the Gary Glitter thing or Seven Nation Army now, where if you go to Sweet Carolina, if you're in a Boston, there's certain things there's just like you know are always gonna play at a ball game. Uh I've only been to a handful of hockey games, so but uh next time I go to one, I'm gonna I'm gonna pay close.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

I don't not everybody does it, but there are you know, definitely people that I've heard it at multiple arenas. Not that I'm going to hockey games all the time, but I've heard it more than more than two, right? So it was a thing, sort of, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Love it. But at least, yeah. So they got a little, you know, at least they can keep that. Maybe people keep on playing it if somebody's playing that at a you know, at a arena.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

All right, so before I go into my alternates, because I have three alternates uh that I think Kevin can help me expand upon. Expound upon. Uh I'm gonna go with this artist, and it's funny because I'm picking an album that is bar none, probably their most commercially successful, maybe their only commercially successful album. Uh it's the only one I can think of that they actually got national radio play, but before that, in the state of Georgia, everybody knew who they were, especially with their prior album. It's a band called Driving and Crying. The album is Fly Me Courageous. Now, if you go to AllMusic, if you go to Wikipedia, it says 1991. That's not correct. It was listed in 1990. I mean, there literally there is a Columbia, uh, a Columbia record company, the CRC Club Edition, was available on CD in 1990. So it's impossible that the original didn't come out before that. Anyway, I digress, it's close. Um, but this album is probably up until that point, it was definitely my favorite because I was a rock guy. So uh, and their album prior to this Misty Road, they had a lot of country in them. They had a sure, they had a song called Straight to Hell that is just straightforward, kind of just drink a beer, get drunk, that kind of thing. Um, I hated that song. I liked um I liked a couple of other songs, but I did not like that song at first. But I became such a big fan of theirs after seeing them live on the Fly Me Courageous tour that I went backwards and then I loved Mystery Road, Whisper Tames the Lion, Scar But Smarter, they're all great albums. But honestly, Fly Me Courageous, when you go back and listen to it, it might age the best. It was definitely the most ambitious, definitely their most most amped up. It had the song Fly Me Courageous on it, had to build a fire. It's just it, it's a it's an awesome album. I have to say, I'm I'm picking this album because as much as that was the only album that got any like commercial appeal outside. Ask anybody outside of this state, they still don't know who the hell Driving and Crying is.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

And that's the thing. Like growing up in Michigan, that is the only song I really knew by Driving and Crying. They were technically like a one-hit wonder to me when I was in Michigan, until I came down to Atlanta, and then they're like all over the place playing all the time, and everybody loves driving and crying. And then I went back and I'm like, oh, Honeysuckle Blue, straight to hell, learned all Mr. Learned all the rest of that, you know. But they weren't like, you know, they didn't, I don't think they broke out uh, you know, read they were definitely huge or big regionally, but I don't know how much they broke out, made it besides that one album, you know, outside of outside of here, the Georgia area.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

I don't know if they still do it anymore. Do you know if Six Flag still does concerts? Because that's where I saw, you know who opened up for them uh was the Georgia Satellites.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Which was a killer, killer, because they were, I mean, at that point, Georgia satellites had already been through their commercial, you know, they had already released Battleship Chains and stuff and had their hit. Right. Uh they were equal, like performance-wise, they were just incredible. So I was like, man, and then I saw them at the Fox, and that's when widespread panic opened up for them. Uh was it that that at the Fox? May have been Fox, yeah. Uh both great shows uh on that tour, and then I've seen them several times after that. But great band. Um just to me, it's just straightforward rock and roll. Yep. Just straightforward rock and roll. Good stuff. I think it appeals to anybody, and that's why I think this album to me registered the most because it was their most rock forward album. I was really big into hard rock and metal. Um, anyway, that's my pick. I have three alternates that I think you're gonna like. Uh go with the first one. I don't I don't know how you feel about this album, but I feel like this album is extremely underrated. It was definitely past their peak prime, but I think Cinderella's Heartbreak Station is it's a good album. A phenomenal album because it is just a straightforward blues rock album. They already hinted towards that with with Long Cold Winter, because that was definitely rootsier than Night's Clings. Songs will probably always be mine and Kevin's favorite because it rocks. Uh, but anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Second, I think I think Long Cold Winter people will say it's maybe better, but it will never be uh Night Songs was like my album. Long Cold Winter is great. Heartbreak Station is great, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:17

I would I would venture this is me. I'm going completely off the rails here compared to most people. I would say it's Night Songs, Heartbreak Station, and then Long Cold Winter Winter for me.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

And then whatever that climbing, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Still climbing.

unknown 22:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Some people, there's some people that are diehard Cinderella fans that say that's their best. And I'm like, hey.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

I gotta listen to it again. I don't know, I don't dislike it, I just don't know it. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

But this 1990, this is kind of when that music that Kevin and I've been listening to for years is starting to it hadn't fizzled out, but it was fizzling. Uh but Anthrax's persistence of time is not fizzling. It is no. I it's probably tied from my favorite with uh it's probably tied from my favorite with the with the big album. What's your favorite album?

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Among the Living.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Yeah. I mean, to me, I I think it's right up there with Among the Living.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Oh, Among the Living is great. I love Among the Living. I do too. I mean, but Persisted Time is good. I think Persistence's time is better than. So it went Among Living then what? Euphoria and then it's better than Euphoria.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Persistent time is better than that.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

State of Euphoria is cool because it was just kind of like a punk record, which which I like.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Yeah, it was very it was very punky. State of Euphoria was good, and they had like schism and what I don't know. So yeah, you know. Yeah, it was good, but it was, you know, it was sound it's the sound was a little bit different, you know, for the you know, but then Persist of Time is great. And the I'm and I know you're gonna super heavy. It's super heavy, and the whole album is great, but one of the best covers on I mean, I don't want to say ever, but it's pretty true to form, but really, really, really, really, really heavy. I think we've mentioned it before, but yep they cover anthrax covers Joe Jackson, which is just like got the time, and it's like, and it just oh, it's incredible.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

I I have to be honest, hearing that from Anthrax was the very first time I heard that song.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Right. Yep, me too.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

And went back when I heard Joe Jackson, that's what made kind of made me even more of a Joe Jackson fan. Because when I heard Joe Jackson, it was like, oh, holy crap, this is so long. And then I heard the bass line, because I'm telling you, one of the best bassists out there telling you listen, just listen to anthrax in general. That band is incredible. Um when I heard their bass line, I was like, oh crap, they they kind of played it verbatim. They kind of played the same, yeah. Yeah, I was like, damn, that was good. All right, I stayed the last for the I saved the best for last. Yep. Uh Love Hate Blackout in a red room. This to me, what can I say? This is all hard rock and metal, guys. You want to tune it out, feel free. But this is such this is such good stuff. And this to me is an album that had this been released in like 86 or 87, I wonder where Love Hate would be now and the pantheon of metal.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Because that album was so good and so blistering and so in your face. It was just too late, man. It was just yeah, I think they were two years too late, maybe. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Yeah, I that I'm telling you, that album is just, I listened to that the other day. I shared it with Kevin. He's like, hell yeah, you know, because it's just it's a party album. It's a total uh they don't he doesn't Jizzy doesn't mince any words, everything's about drugs, sex, and alcohol. I mean, it's totally cliche, but it just works, it's so good. I mean, when you have a song called Why Do You Think They Call It Dope, it's just a great album. Uh I thought 1990, when I looked at it though, I thought overall, I was like, damn, this is a damn good year because it's transitional. You got you still have hard rock and metal, you've got the alternative scenes starting to spark up. You're getting some early grunge, but not the stuff that you know, you're getting the mud honey and the I thought 1990 actually kicked ass.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

It was great. Another album that I almost that I looked at, and it is night, it's yeah, 1990. Yep. And I think like I said, I bought this at your I bought the CD at your store. Okay. I already had the cassette when it came out in '90, but then years later in 2000, whatever, right? Uh I bought it again because I was like, oh, you know, I I need this. But and at the time, they went by the name The London Choir Boys. Oh, yeah. And but they're really the choir boys, they've just, you know, we're in the States, they were just the Lund, they were the London Choir Boys, because I guess there was some confusion with somebody else. But the album was called a little bit, a bit of what you fancy. And that just album was so I mean, the song called Seven O'Clock on there, it was just like just good stuff. It's like kind of black crowsish, but a little heavier, maybe. I mean, it's just like good.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

I mean, it was kind of crozish. Um, not quite punk, but still had a little bit of a Hanoi kind of up.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Yeah, a little trashy, a little glammy, a little trash, you know, a little yeah. Oh, it was good.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

We talked about this in the last episode about like Archangels, because we were talking about Sexton and and uh Bram Hall. Um, another one of those that Kills for Thrills. Uh that album's killer, Archangel self-titled album, and here's another one. A bit of what you fancy from one seriously, those are three like underrated classics.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

I just and dude, the choir boys now are still releasing really, really good rock and roll. Like, I would love to see them have a second coming and play with like a black crows because I think black crows fans would love it.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

I think people still love them, and then there's other guys, like I think different guys that like I think Ginger Wildheart was in the and he's done solo stuff, and then there's like the guy, and I can't think of his name right now, the lead. But I think there's still much more loved and remembered in the UK for sure than you know, here nobody you know knows you know the choir boys anymore here, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

But I wonder if that's uh somebody that we could actually see live out here with touring with somebody else, or you would have to go to the UK to see them. Just curious.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

I wonder like at the last, I know they released, let me see, what they they released an album in 2022.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Yep. They got like a live album or something, well, released in 2005, but you so you shared me, shared with me, I don't know if it was a comeback album, I'm gonna look now. It was right around just before COVID.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

2016, Twisted Love. I had that. And that was it was really good.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

And then I remember going back going, oh my god, like right, like 2001, 2004, 2008, 2009, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17, they released albums. I mean, that's that's getting it done.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

They were definitely like, you know, had some faces, had some like, you know, kind of they were just good, you know, or just a great band.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Yeah. I was looking, uh, I had to look up Gear Daddies because I I knew I knew them from somewhere because I wanted to see the album covers. Uh I don't recognize them, but I just recognize the name. But I think they have some of the best albums. They're debut albums. Let's go scare Al is the name of their debut album. Uh Billy's Live Bait is the one that Kevin featured earlier from 1990, and then the last one from '92 is Can't Have Nothing Nice. Uh it's one of those things where uh the Allmusic gives three three stars for the first one, four and a half or Billy's live bait. So they they definitely prop that up. And then Can't Have Nothing Nice gets three and a half, and but they all get four and a half to five from the users. So this is definitely a this is definitely a fans band. I'm I'm looking forward to checking them out. This is a different, I think it has a different album cover on AllMusic than the one that I saw on uh oh no, it is the same, just kind of grainy.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

And the green thing with the like the little li bait stand.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Yeah, that's cool. Awesome, man. Well, I don't have a whole lot more than this unless you want to riff a little bit. Yeah, you can riff, we can do it, yeah. You know, let's do it. Um I've got uh let me see if I've got my list up here. I'm just curious to if there's anything interesting. So when you're traveling, uh did you do any driving out there, or did you primarily like did you taxi?

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Yeah, just taxied it and then yeah, you know, flew and then taxi, didn't drive at all, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

We did a lot of walking, a lot of drive. For us, it was like I don't know, just like road trips for me are always a lot of fun because you can get in some good music and you know the wife gets her stuff. You always play stuff, like she was really into she liked the um Mike Campbell and the dirty knob stuff.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Okay, I gotta listen to that album.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

I have not. I think this new one is probably his best album, honestly. I think he keeps getting better, and he's got some really interesting, he's getting more not experimental, but he's he's it getting a little bit more adventurous with this his songwriting. Two or three songs on there, it's like, okay, because that to me, that's the thing about Tom Petty. Tom Petty had those songs that everybody knew that you grew up with that'll just always be earworms, but he always had a really good sense for like an alternative melody. Like, go back and listen to Mojo, go back and listen to Hypnotic Eye. Those two albums are he was really starting to venture into some different forms of blues uh that I freaking loved. Um, Rodney Crowell, dude. Oh my god. Let's talk about Rodney Crowell. Uh, we don't talk nearly about new music as much, and Rodney Crowell is definitely not a new artist.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

He's been around for years, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:48

But he is putting out his best music. Um, and I think he would say this to this day. I think he's been in an interview and said he's not as fond of his classic stuff as people like to say.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

The stuff he's putting out now, the this is like the fourth album in a row where I'm just like, this guy's a freaking national treasure.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

I love all that stuff. I guess this album he dug back and some things he recorded or wrote with like uh I want to say Guy Clark and whatnot. But he like there's a couple new songs, but a lot of it's like older material, but after it just recorded or whatever, just you know.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

I was looking to see who is on it because I know Guy Clark is on one song. There's one Kieran Goss and Annie Kin Kinsella.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Then he has Lyra Lynn on one, which is that you know features her, I think, on one of the triple plays or yeah, that's the last song with Lyra Lynn and Emmy Lou Harris.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

That's a hell of a he also has one with uh this is I thought it was cool to see Shelly Wright. I haven't heard her name in a while. I probably because they just you don't hear about it, but with Lyle Lovett and Shelly Wright. So, you know, he's getting an all-star cast as well as he should, but don't you man, this guy, he's just got one of those to me. I think he's one of those artists kind of doesn't sound anything like Dylan, but he's like Dylan. His voice has age, it just keeps getting better, and he just leans into it naturally. Yeah. Then again, uh this will definitely be uh one of my favorite albums of the year for sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

It's very strong. I mean, as I said, those last like four, I think, have just been excellent. I guess what net the triage, the Texas one, I mean it's all been like excellent, just excellent. Excellent. Love that airline highway or whatever. Yeah, it's just like good stuff. So, I mean, he's like, like I said, he's he hasn't, you know, it's he's I know he's like did a lot of stuff earlier with Emily Lee Harris and things like that. That's all great stuff, but I don't really even know that stuff that much. But this latest stuff, like since he kind of re started doing it again, or you know, he's kind of on a good pace where he doesn't like he's a at least he's at least an every other year. Which I think is perfect.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

I think when you do something every year, like there's prolific, and then there's I I can be a hypocrite because I'm like that with Steve Kilby, anything he releases, right? Uh, because he does his own stuff, he does Kilby Kennedy and he does the church. So I feel free to be a hypocrite with that. But some of the bands that I really like, they release so much music. Like, I can't keep up with Charlie Crockett. I just can't. He's and he's great. I think he's great. But I just if you put out eight albums in six years or ten albums in six years, I'm just not likely to go back to them as much because I have so many other things I want to listen to, other styles of music, other artists I want to listen to. So I need more room for uh I need more room for that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Right. Yeah. And then I know that other one, if we're talking about new music, the uh Dwayne Betts that just released that album is also gonna be towards the top of my list as well. That's just excellent stuff. Excellent stuff.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

So you uh I was listening to I was wondering if Kevin was gonna catch on because it's Dwayne Betts, Almond Betts band, and then the Dwayne Betts, the Devin Alman stuff has definitely been more stuff that was on Kevin's radar. Kevin and I went to see Almond Betts fantastic show. Yes. Um I really liked that first uh Dwayne Betts record, but I love this one. And I was telling Kevin, I was like, wow. He and I asked if he listened to it, and he goes, You mean this one?

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Right, I was listening to it, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:54

So yeah, I was like, Yeah, that one because you like it, huh? I go, dude, I freaking love it. I think it's uh that probably will be above the Rodney Crowley. That's saying a lot. I I've listened to that album probably no live seven times, six, seven times. Can't stop playing it. Uh so I'm gonna do a quick dig it or dump it for you, Kevin. Okay, we got it. I got a fresh batch, man. I had to, man, some of the other ones were just horrible. Um all right, we'll start it off here. Dig it or dump it, Kevin. Instrumental albums.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Instrumental albums. Well, that's a tough, I mean it depends, but I'd have to dig it because there's some of the best albums. There's some great instrumental stuff. Right. But there are some instrumental albums by people that don't like I don't want to get all, you know. Okay, like an instrumental album, like uh, you know, like a Dr. Bionic album is instrumental, or basically that whole one of those uh, you know, Marty, you know, whatever, Marty Stewart or whatever, you know, one of those, you know, instrumental, or like you get into like things like Delvan Lamar and that type of instrumental, you know, or like anything from the Menahan Street Band. Those, I mean, that's of course an instrumental album, right? Because it's like soul or whatever, instrumental, but I don't I can't I have a hard time with like instrumental, it's gonna sound wrong, like instrumental, like rock album, not rock albums, but like when a guitarist releases an album and they just play it's like a bunch of you know 10 instrumental guitar tracks. I'm just like I don't I like as much as I like Surfing with the Alien and Satch Boogie, I don't ever go to that album. I don't sit down and go, ooh, I want to listen to that Joe Satriani album. Or, you know, I love Alice Cooper and Nita Strauss is his guitarist, been this guitarist for years. She released like a solo album and it's it was all instrumental. I mean, I just can't, it's good, but I just I'm never I never go there, right? Right. Where like listening to like you know a soul, an instrumental soul album is different. It's that's the way it's supposed to be. You know what I mean? And that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

No, totally. I wasn't even thinking about like I guess some artists are instrumental artists, you know, Dr. Vionick, Delvon Lamar. That's what I'm saying. Right. Instrumental artists. But you make a good point about like that Marty Stewart and the fabulous superlatives, you know, instrumental album, because that plays well, because he does stuff instrumentally on a regular album, so he does segues and stuff, so he's already doing it. Uh, I've always felt the same way as you, and I always felt like I was betraying my genre of metal, right? Like, why don't I love Satriani? Why don't I love Steve Vai? Why don't I love you know these icons, Ingve. Uh is this something doesn't but then there's some instrumental metal like Pelican that I really like. So I don't know, I guess I'm a hypocrite.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Right. We we talk about that. We we we can be that way.

SPEAKER_00 40:23

Uh Kevin, dig it or dump it. Live bootlegs.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

Live bootlegs. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I it sounds like I'm just dumping it, but I don't know. I don't really need that. I'm it's it's gonna be wrong. I think we might have said this before, but I'm not huge into live albums. Same here where I love live shows, but I'd rather listen to a studio album. That's just but there's exceptions, of course. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

I think if you're dead. I think if you're there, I used to say if if you're there, but I I have two different performances. I literally have a thumb drive from Trash Can Sinatras, and then I have another one that's uh a Wave file or whatever. I never listened to them. I really enjoy them. I never go back and listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

So I was gonna say that's the exception, but yeah, I mean, and there are some live albums where you're just like, oh man, and there's some classic live albums too that are just classic live albums. Like Live at MikCon.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

Amazing. Live at Leeds from The Who, amazing. Um I even like Songs Remain, Song Remains the Same, and it's not even seen as one of their great better albums, but yeah, right. I'm just not as much of a live guy. Right. Uh Dig It or Dump It, Kevin, holiday music in November.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

I'm gonna dump that. I don't listen, I do not listen to holiday Christmas music until after Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

So that's the thing though. I would say prior to Thanksgiving. That's what I would say. I wouldn't say November, because Thanksgiving's obviously in November. After no after Thanksgiving, it's almost it's open season. I agree with you. Okay. Um Kevin, I I know where I know where you're gonna go with this. They're just god awful, but I'll ask you anyway. Kevin, dig it or dump it. Bass solos.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Nobody likes a bass solo, right? No, I I dig a nice bass solo, but obviously it can't be too long. But when like somebody like jams a little bit on the bass, you're like, all right, like went to see, who did I see? And I was really impressed. And they pulled out a little bass solo. I was like, all right, I so it's all Santana, and the guy who was playing bass for Santana played a little bass solo. I was like, that's that was nice. That was that was solid, it was strong. I'm like, you know, it wasn't like 10 minutes long or anything, but it, you know, he showed you that he had some had the chops or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

So yeah, that's awesome. Uh I was thinking, you know, I thought I was thinking of this in the jazz context because uh I was kidding, of course, Kevin being a bassist. I thought he was doing some shit. Uh I will say my favorite solos in jazz are bass solos.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

Hands down, because it's it, but it has to be the traditional stand-up bass. Do you watch these guys play? This kid, and Lonnie said they started, I think he opened the club in 2020. He's like, Yeah, we decided to open up a club in 2020. That didn't go over well. Uh he said, but when we hired this guy and we looked into hiring this bassist, he wasn't old enough to work there. That's how that's how young this kid was. And so when I first saw him come in, I go, you know, this will probably be okay. You know, they'll they'll be good jazz. And then I heard them playing, I'm like, oh, holy mackerel. Like this, he's like, he was like putting downbeat magazine as one of the basses to watch, which downbeat is massive. Right. You watch him play, I'm telling you, it's it's better than guitar, it's better than drums, it's better than piano. Right. It's incredible. I I think the bass is uh way underrated. Also, sidebar, new episode of um our favorite show, our favorite YouTube channel with Jeff Aymant from uh Pearl Jam. You'll enjoy that one.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:23

You'll enjoy it. Dig it or dump it, Kevin Cowbell.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

I love the cowbell. I never dig it.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

I do too. Nobody did it, nobody did it better than than uh Molly Crew back and did that.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

Molly Crew. That was like the Cowbell album, man. Uh Too Fast for Love is like uh, you know, there's cowbell on like almost every song.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

I freaking love that. I love it too. It works. Um let's see here. We'll go with one more here. Um dig it or dump it, Kevin. Hidden messages within songs.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Hidden messages within songs. Trying to think of some, you know, like I can dig that. I mean, it's it's uh, you know, takes some there's some thought behind it and things like that. So, you know, I'll be I'm alright with that.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

I I'm trying to think if this is interpreting, of course, this is uh an AI list I came up with on the fly. I'm wondering if this is like hidden messages within the lyrics itself, or if it's one of those things where if you keep listening to the song as it fades out and hear that kind of stuff. And then then there was the whole thing where back in the day it's like if you turn the record backwards. Right, yeah, you get the you get the real hidden message. Uh all right, that's all I got, man. Uh I don't I don't want us to run too long. Um no, fun time as always, 1990 was awesome. Guys, tell us what you think any year, 1960 to present. Doesn't matter, any year. Any year. Overlooked, underrated.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

What's your choice? You can visit us at uh schizomusicpod at gmail.com. Let us know what you think.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Absolutely. We would certainly appreciate it. All right, we'll be back next week's with uh another album and some more random chat. So come join us. There you go. Till then, uh, take care, take it easy.