Grown Ass Dads Podcast | Episode 6: Oh No… Are We Becoming Our Parents? 😱🧓👨‍👧

This week on Grown Ass Dads, we face the terrifying question that hits every man eventually: Have we actually become our parents?

From dad noises and thermostat rants to repeating life advice we used to roll our eyes at, Jay, Jason, and Adam dig into the habits, fears, and weird behaviors that creep in when you're not looking. It's hilarious, uncomfortable, and way too real.

Spoiler: one of us has already caught himself saying "Because I said so."

🔥 Episode Highlights:
-“You kids don’t even KNOW about heating bills…”
-Discovering your inner suburban dad through yard work
-Jason’s descent into boomerhood via lawn equipment
-Adam’s accidental impersonation of his father at Costco
-Jay’s existential moment in the minivan
-What we’ve kept, what we’ve ditched, and what we swore we’d never do
-Can we be better than our parents—or are we doomed to become them in new balances and cargo shorts?

💬 If you’ve ever looked in the mirror and thought, “Is that my dad?” — this episode is for you.

It’s not about judgment. It’s about owning the evolution… and maybe laughing at it a little too hard.

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Welcome to the Grown Ass Dads podcast. Boop boop boop boop boop boop boop. All right. You are listening to the Grown Ass Dads podcast. I'm Adam Bundoran. I'm Jay Hilson. Cheers, fellas. Go ahead. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers, buddy. A little bourbon and I got to have two cheers. All right. And I am Jason Byrne. Happy to be here. Before we dive into the episode, though, I want to call out. We've had a lot of people asking us about. How do they know that the new episode is live? Please subscribe if you're out there listening right now. Hopefully you're enjoying the show and we promise you you're going to enjoy this one. But subscribe to the podcast on whatever player you prefer. Subscribe to us on YouTube. You'll get a notification of the new episode is live, but we're also working on some additional communications. So do us a favor. Do yourself a favor. Subscribe. Enjoy all the rest of the episodes, and if you're listening on Apple Podcast or Spotify, you may not know this, but Jason Byrne has a walking billboard right now for the Grown Ass Dance podcast. You need a face tap. Yeah. We're working on some swag. Yeah, buddy. So we got, we have some, the couple of grown ass dad podcast hats or three, actually a few I think they call that a few. Just, in a shirt. Yeah. As a result of that, actually, I'm going to toss out because our first sponsor for the show is 314 print Co. So, 314314 print Co is is stepping up sponsoring the show. They're going to be bringing us all kinds of swag and making them available for you at home as well. So thanks a lot to all of our friends at 314 print Coat com you guys are getting paid for this. When the fuck did we get ice cream? I got I got a check just before you got. You were late. You know, there, just before you got here, I got. It was actually one of those big cardboard checks. That cool? Yeah, it's the only way I accept checks. Now. The bank loves it when you show up with us. Bank loves that. Absolutely. Okay, so we are going to talk about tonight, are we becoming our parents and a plethora of questions that have to do with that? I love this because everybody out there knows that they are. They're fighting to not be their dad or have come to the realization or fucking my dad. Yeah. It's funny because the way that it manifests itself in our house, typically it's around like when I'm trying to build something or do something and a hammer makes its way through mid air across the room, or I kick something defying gravity. Yep. I usually hear from my wife, okay, John. And I'm like, all right, got it. That that's typically when it shows up as when I'm building something or trying to do something. I've, I've started the. Can you hold the flashlight for me at business? And it's funny because I remember growing up as, you know, being a teenager and even in my 20s, being like, what was the problem? Like, I'm sure I held the flashlight perfectly still. And then I'm like, hey, bud, can you hold this flashlight for me? And I'm like, do you not see me screwing in the fucking thing? You can't hold it on the thing that I'm screwing in. Why is the flashlight over on the wall? It's unbelievable how terrible we were as children holding a flashlight. Hey, I mean, am I not? Am I realize I'm jumping right in here, but it's unreal. Like, I'm literally like, the. So the other day. So I'm in the middle of a bathroom renovation and, I'm in the basement bathroom trying to expose the ceiling, for so I could see what's going on upstairs. Okay. And I, I turned into a gorilla, and I just start ripping the ceiling, the drywall ceiling down, just like an animal. And I just ripped the light fixture out of the ceiling. Okay, so I go to Home Depot. I buy a little, like, ceramic, like you would see in a laundry room light fixture, and I'm installing it. It's pitch black. I'm like, hey, but I just hold the flashlight right here, try to on the thing, and I'm screwing it. It's like, here's a flashlight. Now what's over here? Oh, look over here on this wall. And I'm like, Bud, right here. Just the flashlight right here. That's what we did. We were terrible at holding flashlights. And I don't understand why you I'm trying to get past this like a jade. You do recall holding a flashlight and being terrible? I don't I don't recall a specific example of a time that I was called on to. I'm sure I did. I'm not denying that. Oh my goodness, a bad flashlight holder. I'm just I think it's hilarious that there's one thing that just jumps out at you. You seriously don't remember being a tool belt? That's what I call. Yeah. Hey, grab grab me a flathead hold. You come back with a wrench. Hold this, hold this. Stand here and hold your tool holder. And the exact same item. That would be a tool belt that your dad could put on. Or a toolbox that sits directly next to it. Yeah. You have to be a tool or flashlight holder. I absolutely, very distinctly remember being a, highly paid assistant. Yeah. But yes, I, I don't about, Yeah. I mean, I remember getting yelled at like, whoa, hey, hold it here. Yeah. No, only the only difference with my father is, my father didn't, give, specific direction on that stuff. He'd be, like, assumed. Hey, he would hand me. He would hand me a flashlight, and she'd be like, hey, hold the flashlight. And then I'm holding it. It's on. I see him working wherever he's working, and then I'm trying. And I very, very vividly remember, like, trying to hold it in a spot where he was, he was like, Will you hold the flat? I'm like, I'm holding the flashlight, I got it, it's right here, my hand where I need to see it. Okay. And there was one very specific situation where he was working in kind of a close, tight area. I'm. I don't know, five foot five. And there is no way to hold the flashlight and shine it on what he's working on, because there's no way around him. And I can't, like, reach over the top of him and he can't lost his shit on me because he's like, I don't under hold, Jacob, hold the flashlight. I'm like, dad, I'm holding the flashlight. What do you want me to do? And he's like, right, you're at where I can hold it, where I can see what I'm doing. Dad, I can't, I can't get around. We're in this, like, tight pocket behind the furnace. And he was like, we'll figure it out. I'm like, all right, you do the best I can. But, yeah, that's pretty standard operating. I remember specifically. So I grew up in South Saint Louis, in the city, and we lived in it was just a one bedroom house with with my mom and dad and three boys that my dad converted into, you know, like the attic space or whatever the, the dormer space. And it had these knee walls, and the knee wall is where, like, there was a kind of an attic access door. And that's how he would do all the things that he needed to do. And he's in like this insulation covered knee wall and he's like, hey, go downstairs. I'm going to feed a wire through, tell me when it comes through. And I'm like, yeah, got it. It's easy. Right? He's like covered. And it's like August 130 degrees in the knee wall. And I'm not even in the room that he is feeding wire through like nowhere near it. And now that's me. I'm in the attic sweating and I'm like, hey, but knock on the wall when I'm up there and they're like, what, dad? I'm just playing. I'm one more time. What? How do we it's see, like I that's where I'm my father and I realized that, I have a terrible memory. Anyway, so specifics of stuff that happened yesterday, I don't really remember, but I think part of the the issue here too, for me is my dad was a carpenter by trade, so I don't know that I was ever actually called on for assistance all that often because he just had that stuff on lock. Right. And being a tool belt, I didn't need to be a tool belt because he had every tool in its place where it needed to be and just did it right. Yeah. And or I'm making that shit up. I don't know, I just, I don't he's going to listen and be like, you never held the flashlight where I needed the flashlight. But you're you're probably right. Either that or I was that was I was that shithead kid that was just never used to hold it. So we've all done that. Everybody in here, every, every kid, I'm guessing at some point in time held a flashlight or a tool, or was I just a tool holder? Yeah, of some sort. But. But what I'm going to ask you here. Is this what we either, you know, a pause for a second and say that still was good times. You were helping, you were the helper, and maybe you didn't want to do it or whatever, but you're still like, dad, I got you. I hold this flashlight and we're going to, you know, we worked on a project or whatever. And then as you got older, it got stupid. But at least when you were. Nine, ten, 11, 12. Like, that was cool. Dad needed my help. I'm on it. When you were 13, 14, 15, like, fuck, I don't want to hold this. Fucking get your own flashlight, right. Don't you got a headlamp? Yeah. No shit. Absolutely. But what I so what I, what I think is so funny about this, and are we becoming our parents? That we talked about was what is something when you were growing up and you started having thoughts like, I might have kids someday, and, you know, whenever teenage years, you're like, yeah, maybe I have a family. Maybe I want one too. I'm going to have ten, whatever that's going to be. What was something that you swore? I'll never do that because it's so annoying. And now you do that. Oh, and there's a lot, I think that I think the biggest thing. Well, you and I even joked about it before we. And we probably have the same thing. I say it if I say it once, I say it a thousand times because I said so. That's the my my direct line is like, hey, bud, can you hey, stop doing that. Why? Because I said so. That's the only reason you need. And that's my exact line. And I heard that a thousand times when I was a kid. And it's okay. And they still, they look at me like, who the fuck are you? Oh, man. Like that? Like, they think it's hilarious. I mean, maybe, but I heard it all the time. Now, the difference is when my dad said it, I mean, I think I listened. I mean, like, it instilled fear in me. My kids are like, all right, but, well, schmuck. Right. What are you really going to do? Yeah, yeah, that I that is the exact that is the exact same thing that I think of when I do this. And it's so and it it drives me crazy because I am a little bit, authority defiant. And I remember that was the only thing whenever I asked why. And it didn't matter what the answer was because I said so or because I told you so. Now go do it. Yeah. And it it drove me batshit crazy. Not because I didn't want to do it, not because I thought that everything needed to be a discussion. But there are certain things where we're whether it be my mom or my dad would say, hey, go do this or stop doing this. And I would ask, why not? As a little asshole kid, sometimes this little asshole kid, but but most of the time was like, okay, why wouldn't I do that? And then I would. I was looking for some sort of discussion or whatever, not a negotiation. And but so as I had my own kids, I said, I will never you will never, ever hear me utter those words, and I do and all at the time. But I but I do, and it would. It's not all the time but what I, I have a two, I have a two, sentence rule and the fact that I will say something like, hey, man, it's it's time for bed. It's bedtime. Let's let's go, let's go jump in a bed and say our prayers and and we'll, we'll get we'll get a good night's sleep. Why, dad, I don't I don't I'm not I'm not tired.

Well, dude. Hey, it's it's 9: 12:22

00. We got an early morning tomorrow. We got to do this. And I'm like, so, you know, we just we go jump in into bed. What did I, I don't why I it doesn't make sense. I'm not I'm not tired okay. Well here man you may not be tired right now, but if we stay up any later tomorrow, you're going to be super tired. You're going to hate getting up. You're going to be in a bad mood, and we want to be in a good mood, right? We want to be in a good mood and ready to rock for school or whatever. And then if there is a third, why, then it's, you know what? It's because I told you so. So go get your ass in bed right now. And that is. And then I hate it. Every, every not sometimes 100% of time. I even I didn't want to say that. Oh, I love saying it. I want to say it. I hate it because I didn't want to hear it, but I tried, I tried twice, I tried to get you to understand, and I gave you a reason. Now it's because I said so and now gets pissed. Yeah. God bless you. I love saying it. I so I am, I am a smidge less authority defiant than you, which is why I say it. And I don't mind the fact that I say it. And this is probably gonna be the first topic discussed on this podcast that we're going to produce this. We're going to publish it. My parents are going to be like, are they? There's there's a topic in the podcast this week that we need to talk about this because it this is probably gonna be it because I'm, I'm I may be wrong here. Good for you making it episode five before you have that. Yeah yeah I, I don't I don't think I was a white kid. Oh yeah. You're definitely have to talk about. You're not I'm guarantee you aren't. I'm, I'm pretty confident that my parents told me to do something. I did it. What? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I mean, I get that, but I watched it. Yeah, but but I mean, that's it. It's I don't even a parent thing. If it was a teacher, if it was a boss, if it was, I'm a yes man. I do with my wife. Now you need me to do something. Oh yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. But I but I think that that's what's different about the generation than in the generation now, at least from my experience, is I did what I was told because that was what I was supposed to do. That's what my parents said I should do. So that's what I did it. That's what I did. I expect that same thing, and I'm foolish for expecting that. I think that if I tell my kids it's time to go to bed, they should go to bed. They want to understand why I don't understand why you need to to have a reason. Because the reason is I said you said that, right? So I, I never once said, I'm not going to say I told you so, because nine times out of ten, the reason you need to do something is because I said so. Yeah, when I was growing up. And, and as I got a little bit older and specifically in high school, I my, my defiance, my authority issues got worse and my freshman year in high school, I had the very, very best coach that I've ever had in my life. He and I are still friends to this day. He is still coaching to this day, and he relatively changed my life with an authority issue with a coach or a teacher situation. Because in our very, very first practice, he brought us all together and he said, guys, here's the deal. We're going to work really hard every day in practice, and we're going to work really hard in every match, and we are going to get at it. And we don't have time for me to explain every reason, for every decision that I make. So I'm going to tell you right now, if you ask me why, you will immediately sit or you will immediately start running. But after practice, at any time, you can come to me and say, hey coach, why did we do this? Why did you make this call? Why did this happen? Because I want you guys to understand, and I want you to be great players. And I want you to be able to think for yourself. But we don't have time during these precious moments of practice and games to to waste time having that explanation there. And so give me everything you got. Do exactly what I tell you to do when I tell you to do it, and come sit down with me for 20 minutes after practice, and we'll talk all you want about what's going on. And that resonated in a humongous way for me. I will run through a wall for this guy. It was then I was 14. I go, if he tells me to go run into that wall 100 times, I will go do it as fast and as aggressively as I can, because an hour later he's going to stumble and ask him what I'm going to say, but he's going to keep doing it, and he may go, because I thought it was funny. But that's not really not what's going to happen. But that that sat well with me. I can understand that. I can wrap my head around that. Okay, cool. I'll get the why, but I'm going to do everything I can during practice to do exactly what I'm told and exactly how this is going to go. And as I grew up, now that I have kids, I tell the kids that I coach that exact same thing to start every single season. And then I talk to my kids about it. And when they and they don't very often ask me why, they ask me why when they're crabby or they're tired or, you know, they're in the middle of something. So I don't often have to use the because I said so, dad voice and what that is. And I'm glad that I don't because I hate it makes my stomach turn every single time I say it, but it becomes a necessity at some point in time with the nine and 12 year old. But that's my dad. My mom. God love him. That was there was there was no why. There was no explanation. There was no this this is what we're doing. Do it or else. Yeah, okay. I don't like the all else. So I guess we're going to do that. I've, I've developed a bad habit of, direct, direct communication, not just with my kids, with any kids. And it's not good. I mean, it does like my wife back, she's like, you're a psycho. You should not do that. So, quick, quick story. We. So I thought it was a good idea when she was eight months pregnant with our first. I didn't know that. When you're eight months pregnant, you're probably a little uncomfortable, I try it. Hey, you know, it would be great. Let's go to Chicago for Saint Patty's Day. Around a million people. So we did that. And it was a terrible idea that I. I know, I realize that. So we go to, the Ikea in Schaumburg, Illinois, before there was an Ikea downtown. And, I mean, it is not to, but the entire way. Nice little present moment there. Nice little grown up situation. Right to Chicago to go to Ikea. I know a little trip on it. Right. Bed bath and beyond while you were there. And one at a time, I think we did. I think we did it. The bathroom. God. But, you know, we did. We did golf. Smith I got some irons, but different story. So we're we're in Ikea, and we're basically just hurtling through this entire place for hours. And we get to the kitchen section and there's this little kid in front of me, and I bet he's four years old and he has an egg timer, and it's like, ding, ding, ding for too long. Okay, I'd say an hour. Sarah would say three minutes. And she's like, hey, we get to this little spot. She's like, hey, come over here. And I was like, yeah, hang on one second. I'm going to reach out and check out these, spatulas. And I swapped the egg timer out of this little child's hands. And she looks at me and she's like, you cannot. You can't do that. That's a child. And I was like, who? Someone needs to fucking take this egg timer out of this kid's hands. And, and then immediately I was like, oh my God, I'm going to be my dad as a dad. Like immediately I and it it happened the other day. We go I went to the Cardinal game for the boys went, for school and some kids are throwing peanuts, my peanuts that I bite down on some other kids, and I like, I lean and I see it happen and I'm like, man, they're probably not going to throw peanuts very long. I let them throw a couple peanuts, have some fun. They're throwing it for too long, my opinion. So I look over and I go, hey, do you pay for those peanuts? And look at me? What? And I go, no, I did quit throwing them. And I love it. I and the two dads, I'm saying, well, why did they ask you? Why? No, they didn't. They go. One of them's like another thing we know about this film. Like your mom did buy the peanuts. I bought the peanuts. Quit throwing the fucking peanuts. It's bad. I realize it's not good. It's not a good trait to have, but I think I think the the not the majority. I'm going to probably say the wrong thing, but a lot of the kids today are complete powderpuff sissies, and they don't have anybody to tell them not to do shit. And I'm okay being the guy to tell them to do stuff. And most of my buddies, like all of my friends like Jason and I, we talk about it like if if Harry's, it can't, like, tell my kid not to do the thing. You're you have full rein to discipline my child, and I'm probably going to take it. But when we have good kids. So that doesn't sound a thing. But like, if my buddies are, you know, like over at the house and they see my kid doing something, tell him if I'm not there to say it, say it, I'm okay with that. And I'm probably going to say to your kid, it's okay. What's the greatest commercial on TV today? Oh my God, I think it's the State Farm. The old people, one where they're like, progressive, progressive, progressive 1000. Yeah. We didn't even strip that 1,000%. The becoming our parents commercial to becoming your parents commercial it like it's one of the very, very, very few commercials that I can remember in my life that I, I actively watch, like, I don't fast forward through I don't go do anything. I'm like, I love this guy. He's like, just don't do that. Some Larry's. So let me ask you this. Are there any weird or quirky things that you picked up, either one of you from your parents or from your dad that you do today? I have a couple. I'm curious. Like, I'll say mine while you're thinking because I just threw this out of left field. Okay? One, I sneeze like like a banshee, and it it'll it'll rattle. I mean, I'm like, at two and then I'm like, shit. I always say shit at the end of it. I actually say shit in the middle of a sneeze. Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit, but I do. My kids think it's hilarious. And then here's the other thing. And I've done this since I was a kid and I don't even know I'm doing it. Whether I'm opening a soda, a sparkling water, or a beer and I mean the camera, I already know I already know this is because I've asked you about it before I turned my tab. My dad turned his tab growing up, and I, I don't I literally open it and as I'm putting the tab down, I spin it. It happens. Yeah. And I and I've done it for I mean I'm 40, so I've done it for as long as I've been drinking beer. So 30 years, you're like, yeah, I turn the tab. The I can't think of anything that kind of quirky, but I will say something that I catch myself doing all the time is, is I have picked up my dad's humor, which says a lot because I am not humorous to most people, and it's because of the humor that I inherited. Yeah, I mean, I am, I am dad joke galore. Especially in the house and around my like. It's amazing how many times my wife would be like, okay, Kevin, because it's because my jokes are that are they're just jokes that, you know, would come out of my dad's mouth and it's it's the stupid shit, right? Like, hey, I'm going to go jump in the shower. Don't jump. You're going to get hurt. Yeah. You didn't like, like, one thing that comes out of my mouth. You run to the store, don't run. Drive. Yeah, yeah. It'll be a whole lot faster to drive. Yeah, I don't, I don't it just rolls off the tongue. Just rolls off the tongue. Oh, my God, I ran into your dad at Silver Dollar City. Your mom and dad and and I mean, it was we got there way too early and we were there way too long. That was that was the highlight of my day of, like, getting a little bit of Kevin and Donna, like, sit it. And your dad is hilarious. Kevin's the best he is. The dude cracked my shit up and I don't know, maybe that's because he's, you know, almost 70 years old. And that's funny to me. But yeah, it's funny. The pace, it's awesome. It's so funny that your dad's old. Well, he's he's, he's probably the youngest dad among stars. He is the youngest at amongst our for sure. Because my dad turned 70 this year. Kevin's going to be 68, 67. My dad. My dad will be 69 this year. Yeah. Your old man, though, doesn't age. I like he I feel like he looks exactly the same as the first time that we started hanging out 30 years. Maybe that's the trait that I picked up from him. What do you think? You know, it's it's something. Jeez, fellas. Thank you. Something. What about you pick up any traits, any goofy shit that your dad did? So my. So my dad's not particularly funny. He he's a he's a good dude to hang out. He's he's a good dude to hang out with, and he makes you feel hilarious. He will laugh at anything. And he thinks that I'm the funniest person that's ever lived. And I. I mean, I might be, but I'm not like he is. He's a good dude to have around because you feel like a stand up comedian. He just loves to hang out. That's hilarious. Funniest thing he, it's very interesting because the trait in my family is, we're we're very black and white, and we're very, easily excitable. We'll call it, I believe that, but my my grandfather, his dad, I remember as a kid, like, everything was either the greatest thing that's ever happened or the worst thing that's ever happened. This is the best dinner I've ever had in my life, or this is garbage. And my grandfather was very, kind of a he was a old marine that went to World War Two. And was he he had zero filter. And so when things are great, he, he made me feel like a hero. And when things were just average era, he was just like he would literally like push food away from him and be like, this is terrible. And we're like, oh, thanks, grandpa. That's cool. Grandma is not going to go cry about this at all. My dad was always kind of going, hey, dad, come on. Like, it's not bad. Whatever. My dad's now 69. It'll be 70 years old. He is. He does that now. And we we make fun of him because it's whatever it is. It's the greatest dinner that he's ever had. This is the greatest sunset he's ever seen in his life. It's the greatest vacation we've ever like. It's either the greatest thing that's ever happened or I hated it. And so I hope to God that I don't end up with that trait when I get older, because I don't feel like that now. But, it seems to be a hereditary situation. You will. So I might, but and I guess the only thing that I picked up from him is completing tasks and, like, doing stuff at the house. So there are people that are very comfortable with cleaning part of the kitchen. They will clean up the dishes and leave some things out on the counter or what have you. My dad was if we're going to clean the kitchen, we're cleaning the entire kitchen. And but he also it was either we clean the entire kitchen or we didn't clean at all. The the sink was full of dishes or the kitchen was pristine. I have that and I don't know if that's, I guess, something I picked up for him from him. Same with laundry, same with like cutting the grass and taking care of the yard. Whatever. If we're going to do it, we're going to do it the whole way or we're not going to do it at all. And I don't have a problem not doing it at all and putting it off till the next day or a couple of days or week. But if we're going to do it, we're gonna do the whole thing. And so that's one of the few things that I've, I feel like I've picked up from him, or it's just kind of ingrained, ingrained in me. If we're going to do it, we're doing it. We're doing everything. Yeah. And, you know, my ex would would, just do the dishes but leave, you know, I don't know, the some groceries out on the counter or maybe some pots and pans got washed, but they, they didn't go into the drawer and they'd be sitting on the, the counter, they'd be sitting on the stove. And I'm like, why don't I mean, if we're going to do it, let's, let's just do the why. Why are we doing half of it? Like just let's do the whole thing. And so, that was that's I guess one of the few things that I can think of that we're going to do the whole we're going the whole way. Okay. So, all right, I'm going to I'm going to ask an uncomfortable question. All right. I'm curious. 7.5in. Right. Twice. The longest putt you've ever made. Right. What is something that you this is a judgment question that you judge. Your parents got wrong, that you're actually trying to do differently. So something that you, you maybe identified or picked up on but want to change color? I know, I'm sorry. You thought you're definitely. You have to talk to your parents about this episode. It depends if I can come up with anything or not though. I mean, for me, it was like, I don't know what they call it. Corporal punishment. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Like I got my ass beat. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, you know, even Pam would say, like, you wait till your father gets home, and he'd be doing undoing that belt, like walking in the door. You don't even know what he was spanking for. He's just like mom said. You got to get your ass beat right now. And my mom was. I mean, my mom was a little lady. She would hit you, hit you with anything that was close. Wiffle ball, bat, wooden spoon, hand, anything. Yeah. And and I, we made the decision not to spank or not, you know, hit or whatever. And I think now you just fucking go to jail if you do, right? But, I mean, I, I would get my ass beat somewhat regularly. I'm sure it was warranted. But I can remember, like, at the dinner table, you know, like, elbows off the table. You hold your fork properly, you wait to get up before you know you're told to get up, grow up high falutin, You grew up in, like, I grew up in South Saint Louis. No fucking. You have to have a maid and servants and things. Now, what are we taught? Hold your fork properly. You. If you hold your fork like this. Yeah, that's you right? You get your ass beat, you hold your fork like you're supposed to hold your fork. Okay? There. There's multiple ways to hold a fork, but like one, there's one. There's only one way. The one way in John Bunyan's house. All right, well, I think there's multiple ways to hold a fork, but, like, a gorilla is not one of them. But. All right. Correct. Understood? Understood. But that that was something that was, you know, somewhat regular. And again, there was three boys. So we all deserved ass beatings regularly. But my kids, I mean, I remember screaming at one of my kids one time and like, really being hot under the collar in him, like, kind of like dealing one of these men be like, have I ever even pretended like I was going to hit you? Well, now I'm like, then what are you scared of? Like God forbid. Yeah. 1989 John Bunyan rolls through this door. You will shit twice and die like you would not even know what to do with yourself. Now I will snatch my kids up. I tell them all the time. Like I'll snatch your ass up. Yeah. And I'll. And we will go to your room and I'll drag you your room and your little feet will be dangling. Go into the bedroom. But I mean, I that's one thing that like, we, we train and I am glad that we did that. I, I joke about it and we can all bullshit about it on this. And now it's, you know, engrained forever on the internet. Yeah. It ain't going away now. Right. But I think but I think that was something that was like it was a conscious it was a conscious decision that was supported by the fact that if you don't subscribe to that, you go to fucking jail. Okay. So it kind of was, you know, kind of sparked, but it was kind of fine. All right. Kind of it worked out, I think. I mean, the I think that's fair. Not hitting your kids seems to be a lean, you know, towards that side of the thing. Yeah. You know hitting your kids. I think that's a great little change that you made. So you're welcome boys. That's right. I guess the thing that comes to mind for me is my parents are absolutely traditional boomers, and there are no feelings. There are no feelings. Just be happy, all right? Just act right. I can't tell you how many times I heard that. Just act right. Well, what the situation was, whether I had a bad day at school and was getting made fun of or, I was just in a bad mood or, I didn't I didn't play well in a sport or whatever, and I and I wasn't in a bad I was a pretty happy kid, but I was in a bad mood or, you know, whatever that conversation wasn't. Hey, man, what's going on? It was, hey, start to act right, like it's whatever your deal or whatever the deal is like, stop it. And so it was just take care of it. And and it was, very much, hey, go change your attitude. And that was what it was. Go change your attitude. Go in your room, figure out what's wrong, come back, be happy. And so like I legitimately that was that. That was the goal. Figure it out. And so, I had to figure it out and I had to, you know, the I don't know, I'm younger. I'm in there crying. Hey, I right an trying to try to act right. And so in, in my world now and growing up in that world, which is I turned out fine, you know, I it was all right. I learned some, self discipline, and I learned some self-evaluation and how to kind of change my own mindset and help myself. But I with my boys. Now, if there's if they're acting in a way or they're they're not acting. Right. My first, my first thing I'm going to do is ask them, hey, man, what's going on? What what's what's how, you know, and, yeah, you know, sit down next to them, kind of get at their level and say, hey, something happen? Can, you know, can that help whatever's going on? So they give them an outlet to kind of talk about it or whatever, or, hey, do you want to just hang out in your room for a little bit and, and, you know, chill out, take some deep breaths and have some quiet time and then come out and talk to me like, what? What what do you need for me? So that I give them an outlet and and I and there are times where my, my 12 year old is, is much more emotionally aware of himself than the nine year old nine year old. Nine. But he'll he'll say, dad, I don't I don't know, I'm just I'm just kind of in a sad mood or I'm in a bad mood and a nothing happened. I just, I'm, I'm kind of crabby. I go, okay, what do you think about hanging out by yourself for a little while? Like, what do you think would make you happier? What do you think? You want to sit in a room or read a book? Do you want to take a nap? Do you want to go for a bike ride by yourself or what? What? What does that look like? That we can kind of burn off some of that energy or change that mood without saying, hey, start acting right, get your shit together. So that that is one of the changes or one of the things that are did is different. There was no real discussion or emotional intelligence discussion with my parents to try and figure out how to potentially help me change my own mood. Yeah, it was, you know, and that's and that's a that's a boomer thing. Hey, suck. Toughen up. Right. Suck and tighten up that bottom lip, son. We got, we got shit to do. Okay, well fuck that. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm mad. I don't know why I'm mad. I'm 12. Right. So that would be. That's that's the one thing that I. I think I'm trying to do and trying to be better, and and give them an outlet to discuss or have some feelings and. Hey, man, sometimes it's cool to be mad. It's cool, but it's, you know, you're going to be mad. Don't don't lash out to people. And, you know, instead of treating your brother like an asshole, maybe just go chill by yourself for a half an hour until you're not mad anymore. Go do something that you think would be fun. Yeah, it's really difficult to. One of the things I think that that's probably the biggest thing that I'm trying to teach and and you know, Sarah too, but your emotions in our house are 1,000% welcome. All of them. Sure. Anger, sadness, fear, all of it. And you can't control necessarily how you feel, but you can control how you act. You can't control the reaction of those emotions. And I know that they're kids and they're they're learning that. But that is the I mean, if I say enough one time, I say it a million times. It's like, be man, be as mad as you want, but you can't huff and punch somebody or you can't say, you know, like these words. Yeah. You know, and like, with my, my, you know, my oldest going to be 13. He's got a mouth on him I wonder, you know, I mean I know, I know probably a shocker, but like you have to be able to control that and know when you can say that and when you can't. Yeah. And and that's, that's it's just hard being a dad is fucking harsh. Yeah I think we welcome we welcome the emotions as well. We we also really want the actions to be under control. But I also want you to be willing to talk it through like if you're going to be pissed, be pissed. But when you're through with that, tell me what's up. Yeah. And or the whole the whole silent treatment and just throwing stuff around and stomping all over the place. I realize I might not be able to fix it, but at least help me understand what's causing it. Yeah, give me give me a shot. Here. Give me, give me, give me a give me a chance to try and bring some type of resolution. I realize in most cases, I'm not going to be able to change whatever it was a pissed you off. It might have been me, for all I know. Right? But but yeah, at least did control your actions. But also be willing to talk it through and let's see if we can figure out a way to get get get past it. I yeah, I don't you know, he gets so mad because it's, it's at least once a month where I go, hey dude, control your face and he's like I didn't even do anything. I go, I know you didn't say anything. You're there. I know you didn't say anything. But the eye roll, the throwing your head back, the literally at times throwing yourself on the ground like you you if you're frustrated, you don't like what's going on, even though you don't outwardly yell at someone or do whatever you need to be able to control your face. And, and so he it's like, whatever. I'm like a dude. I'm telling you, this is going to help you in life. Yeah. And so if if I tell you to do something and you don't like it and you throw your head back, roll your eyes and start shaking your head, no, like, I understand all of those things that you don't want to do that and you don't agree with me, right. And so we want to control our face. And so emotions are good. Teenage emotions, middle age, middle middle school emotions, grade school emotions are just they just come out. Right. And that's what it is. And trying to help them deal with that in a more healthy way. To be able to change their mindset or their attitude is what we're trying to do here. Let me ask you this, this this one was something that we we put down as a topic that that I really, really enjoyed. And this goes back to the, commercials of don't be your parents. How proud of you or your of your lawn after you get finished cutting it. Are you all right? I have a I have a confession. Oh, boy. Oh, I think I know what this is going to be, and I'm going to make a lot of fun of you. So last fall, my writer died. So I have a guy. You've got a guy. All right? I've got a guy that does my lawn now. And he does a great job. But I'll tell you what. And I loved cutting the grass. My wife loved cutting the grass. It was the. She really, really did. And I have gotten into gardening over the last few years, and I, I know, I mean, tulips look beautiful this year. Yeah. Vegetables, bro, Im sure. And fruits. It's about sustaining life. You're making beautiful things, right? Okay. I am proud of my exterior, of my property, and I do more than, you know, watch my guy cut, cut my grass. But when I did it, it was a thing like my lines were clean. Yeah, absolutely. I could not give less of a shit about my lawn. Okay? I, I, I don't care. I believe this and I'm not, and I and I'm not I love this, I absolutely believe this. And I growing up I couldn't understand when my dad and mom were so like, tuned up over the lawn and raking leaves. By the way, raking leaves is the bane of my existence. And I do not rake leaves. You will never, ever see me pick up a rake. I have never raked leaves. I well, though my neighborhood doesn't allow fences, so I just wait for them to blow into another yard. I have a very high powered leaf blower and I am very happy to blow the leafs. You will never see me rake leaves or pick the leaves up by hand ever. We just run the lawn mower right over all of it. All right? Okay, I, I tried to figure that out with my house and how I got to where I got to where I would spend an extra half an hour diagonally cutting the yard. And instead of doing just a back and forth action, which I could get done real quick to create, like that diagonal ball park line. And I think I came to the realization that it had nothing to do with damn, look at that yard that is that is nice. And sit out there with a beer and scratch my belly and it I think it more became, a total house situation, the pride of owning a house and the total aspect of it, because I, I never once had, like a neighbor come by and be like, Hillsong yard looks great today. Thanks, Bob. No, that's never like, that's not a thing. I was purely for me and it was man house looks great. Like I own this. This is, this is. And there was a pride in the totality of it, not just the grass itself. Yeah. We should do an episode on homeownership, being a dad and a homeowner. Oh, right. Like. Oh, geez. Yeah, I would love that. Speaking to your point, though, while I don't necessarily care about my grass, I do in fact, diagonally cut my grass and intentional and cut the diagonal in the direction of the incoming traffic through the subdivision. So that way the people that are driving in do see that it's done at an angle. I'm going to start looking at your grass. I don't care, but I care what other people think about me. So the only reason I'm cutting that grass are, in most cases, making my kids cut it in, or my parents actually come over and cut it. Fact, is because I worry about what people think about I don't want to be people to go, oh, he's that neighbor who doesn't take care of his stuff. That's the only reason why I that's fair. Even bother tracks. I was about to freak out. You have three sons, two of which are 17 years old. You shouldn't be touching a lawn mower ever. I, I would tend to agree with you. Lots of the times, I just don't feel like doing the fight because there will be a fight about. I got so many things going on. Dad, we just talked about it. Isn't that crazy? Because I told you, don't get your rash outside. I hear that all the time. Like, dad, I got all this stuff and I'm like, what do you have to do? I just had this conversation. I was like, I worked 16, 70 hours a week, and I'm installing a bathroom for you, and I take you everywhere. What do you have to do, dad? There's a there's a Fortnite cash cup today, right now. Dad really stressed out. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I, I always get the I had school all week. This is this is my time. This this is my time right now. At the same time. And I give them shit. I love the fact that they're still kids and they're not trying to grow up too fast. I say it all the time. I'm like, man, can you help me do something the same time? Like, you know what? Just be can sit there and play your video games and do your thing with your buddies because you're a better dad than me, apparently. Well, I also don't have 17 year olds. Oh, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I'm. I'm good. I'm good with with that for now. It's. No, it's a completely different dynamic, man. My, my kids have jobs now. They've got cars now. They're, they're, they're learning that because of the recent storms that we now have new cars for them and they've got car payments. My kids are making their own car payments, and they're finding out how much insurance is, for Christ's sake, for a 16 year old boy. Oh, ridiculous. I so in cutting the grass, making your kids, making your kids cut the grass or hoping that they cut them because I said so what? So that that dovetails. And I know what my answer to this is, but, what was something that your parents did that they absolutely got right, that you are leaning into and that you do the same, or that you appreciate more now than you did when they were? I'll I'll jump in on this one since I didn't really contribute on the last one because I couldn't come up with anything. My parents both stressed the importance of truth over anything. Like no matter what, you can be in the most, most trouble ever you can at anything. You will always have trust from us until you lie. One time you get caught lying one time and all the trust is out the door. And I still to this day cannot lie, whether it's to them or to my spouse or to it's my kids now. I've got very creative ways of stretching the truth and or saying something that is true. Ish. Yeah, but I don't lie. And and it was it was abundantly clear to me growing up, I, I could not lie. There was there was no threat, there was no nothing, but there was the threat of will never trust you again. Right. But there was no physical threat or anything like that on on our end. But that was one thing that I still think is right. And something that we still carry through to our kids is that you're going to talk to us, we're going to talk it through. But I want you to be 100% honest with me, and I want you to share everything, unless it's a detail that I probably don't want to know anyway. That is one thing that got driven into me hard and and I will carry that through with me till the day I die. Yeah. For me, it there's probably two things that stick out. One, my mom just absolutely beat into, my head in my brother's head, that all? You know, both my brothers like you guys are brothers. Yeah. Like that that that doesn't that stuff doesn't go away. That you guys aren't friends. You don't have to like each other right now. Your brothers. So forever and ever and ever, you're to get your. You're bonded. So, you know, when we were kids, she she wrote us pretty hard on that stuff. When we started to get older, she got really nervous, like we would I mean, I would fistfight my older brother in the kitchen while she was, like, trying to break it up. And it would tear her apart. But at the same time, like, now, I mean, if if my mom could see me and my brother now, she would it be it make her the happiest that ever. Because those are your brothers. So that was the the first thing is like family over everything was was just ingrained in us. You know we the every Friday night we had family night. It was just what it was. And the other like I got this from my dad but also from my mom was like, just you work, you outwork everyone. You outwork every single person. Like, you're not going to be the smartest, you're not going to be the strongest, you're not going to be the most capable. But if you outwork everyone, none of that shit matters. And I remember being in, you know, when I graduated high school, I joined the union and started pouring concrete. And I remember all the old birds on the on the jobs. I would be like, hey, man, slow down, you can work us out of a job. And I'm like, dude, I got one speed. That's, that's that's the plan, bro. Go. I want your job, right? Go my speed is go. And if you are worried about that, I'll take I'll take your job. I mean, I remember when I got into tech, there was I got this new job and this guy was like, what do you what do you want to do here? I'm like, I kind of like your job. And within like two years, I had that cat's job. Like, it's just that is my speed is to go. Yeah. And those that I didn't get that because I liked working. I got that because. Because my parents. Yeah. So I actually end on board and have similar stories and where that is to Jason's point, we lying was like was was the worst. And it was like, you know, we can we can get through anything. But if I can't trust you, things are going to be really, really tough. So don't lie to me with in inside of that it was more so hey, when when you do something wrong, own it. If you do something wrong and you compound it by lying about it or not taking responsibility for it, it's going to get worse. And the punishment would always fit the crime, if you will. But then if you lied about something and then you got caught about that, that punishment doubled or tripled like that was just kind of how that went. And so they were very true to their word when I would do something wrong, which I did fairly frequently. And get caught, then they'd be like, hey, dude, what happened? I, all right, here's here's the deal. This is what I did, and I owned it, apologized for it. I, you know, had a punishment of what I, you know, I got grounded, I got TV taken away, whatever it was. But then it was over and done with. There was never a carryover in my house. There was never a residual. Once you did your time or once you made it right. All good. There was no it was never, never lingering, which I always appreciate it because I always felt good. Hey, I did something wrong, got caught. I feel bad about that. I'm not happy. Here comes the punishment, whatever that's going to be. Yeah, but I knew that when that was over, it was over. And everything we, you know, everybody was happy. And I never got, you know, any residual anything in that world. In the family world of, hey, that's your brother. We we were in that we, you know, hey, these are your siblings. They're going to be your siblings forever, and they're going to have your back and you're going to have theirs. And so we fought. I had sisters, and so we didn't have fist fights because that was frowned upon. Unfair. And it was unfair. But, you know, we fought and bickered and, and, you know, messed with each other and whatever. But it was always, hey, in the end, this is who's going to be there. It's going to have your back. So you need to make sure that they know you love they love you and those types of things. The the additional one that I have is we were my parents, ended up basically preaching, we're a team. We're a family unit. So if we're going to do yard work, everybody's out there doing yard work. We're going to clean the kitchen. Good. If we're gonna clean the kitchen, the whole family's clean in the kitchen. Except for my mom cooked. Mom didn't have to clean if she cooked. If we're going to clean the house and do the laundry, and there's six of us, which means there's roughly 6 million unmatched socks that all have different colors and none of them actually were matching socks. All of us right there. And we're going to knock it all out. Oof! And so I need to figure out how to instill that in my house. So it's a it's it's not fair. And it's not right for one family member to have to do an entire day's worth of work that all six of us could get together and knock out in an hour and a half. And so it was annoying at the time. And did I want to do whatever that was? No. Did I want to do it right when my dad wanted it done? No. But it eventually it went fast. We got it knocked out. Everybody was happy. That's what's going on. And so I do that with my kids now. I'm like, hey, we're going to clean the kitchen. I don't want to clean the kitchen. Well, neither do I, but it's going to we're all everybody's going to take a job. We're going to knock this thing out in ten minutes and everybody's going to be good. And this is a team. This is our team. This is our family team. Everybody's got a part on the team. We don't have freeloaders here. There's no superstars. You you're part of the deal. So if we're going to clean something we're. And clean the house and clean your room. I'm going to help you clean your room. We're going to we're going to knock this thing out and we're going to we're going to do this. And I appreciated that. And I still and I believe in that because it makes the work go faster. Yeah. And it makes you feel like somebody's genius. You know, it's a great concept. I think that might have been a good answer for mine earlier. If I had to time didn't I didn't is I don't remember ever having chores. Like I don't think I ever did chores of any kind. And my kids today don't have any chores of any kind. And I don't know if that's just because that's how I grew up. That's how it translated to, or it's because I just do have chores now. My kids are me, you. Oh, you're damn right I got chores. But I guarantee you never did this. I'm betting you did this, so I had to. I did my own laundry when I was starting 14 or 15. I did my first load of laundry when I moved into the college dorm. I'm aware. And I was a junior, and, Yeah. And that that's tragic. But nonetheless, I did. So I had to do my own laundry, and I, I was a kid. I was an A.D.D. dude, and I would forget that I had, a game, and my uniform is still balled up in the bottom of a hamper. Stinks like hell. Still dirty from the game I had two days ago or three days ago, and I had just enough time to get it into the wash and get it washed, and I throw in the dryer first, long it till I had to immediately leave, and then I pull it out and lo, it would be wet. So I used to dry. So this is when I was 16. I would drive to my game and I would hold my uniform out the window, I trust, so that the air would blow dry it. So it was dry by the time I got there. And then I got to the point where if I had multiple items that needed to go in there, I would hang like my shorts or my paint and my baseball pants, or my football pants or whatever, over the back window, and then roll the window up so it would close in the window so they would blow dry. And then I would hold the jersey out there and I, I can't I probably did that at least a dozen times. I would wear them dirty. I, I it made it made it work, made it work. No there was, there was no such thing as dirty clothes an hour and I'm, I'm they were they were clean folded iron pressed. Yep. Where they belong. God love pin button. You were in the same boat. You know, laundry. I didn't do laundry until, the 2022. Unbelievable. I listen, I am my my mom spoiled the shit out of me, and my wife still spoils me and does the majority of everything. I try to. I try to help, but I didn't even when we moved in, when we bought our first house, I didn't know how to do laundry as a man, as a grown man, and now love her to death. My mother in law comes over in photo laundry. That's gorgeous, I love it. Does she know my address? That's a that's a that's your mother folds. Your laundry does not happen. I mean, I, I, I also fold laundry and so does my wife and so to make sure my kids do. But my mother in law loves it. She comes over and she's like, I just want to help out. And she'll fuller on him like, I'm I'm not going to tell you, right. I love that you help us. Amazing. I, I have a friend that lives in Dallas, and they have a, stay at home mom that lives down the street from them, that is friends with their kids, and they are in your boat, so they do laundry. It just stays in the clean baskets. And so at any given time, they might have 5 or 6 baskets of clothes. The couch has all this over. Whatever. They say this, they were they had people over that family came over and the stay at home mom was talking about doing laundry and all the stuff, and and Jill has wife was like, I hate it. I hate it so much. I don't want to do it. They both they both work full time. And she was like, if I could find somebody to literally just hang and fold my laundry and put it away, I would pay them to do this. And this woman was like, I'm in. I'll do that all day long. Like, what are we talking about here? And she was like, yeah, what's the charge she like? So in the hilarity of it is they had people over. And so to clean the house, they picked up all of the clean laundry that was on the couch and all the Pampers that were clean and put it into their master bedroom and had none of that. And so she was like, come here and like, open the door. I'm like this much. She was like, she's looking at she's like, oh, okay. She's like, I don't know, that might take me, an hour. Maybe. She's like, I don't know, 20 bucks. What? And oh, she's in Dallas though. But it's for me. But but this is the thing. I said the same damn thing. I met this woman. I was like, I'll fly you to Saint Louis once a month to come and pay you. And so I was like, I want to find this because I, I don't have any problem doing laundry, and I have no problem getting it in the wash into the dryer or whatever. Folding it, hanging it, matching socks. It might sit in my living room for a week now I'm going. I'm a I'm a dad and I, you know, I it doesn't particularly matter. But if I had somebody that I could pay 20 bucks a week to come over and fold paying and match socks, you had, you had a spare bedroom in one of your old houses that was literally nothing but your clothes. Strewn everywhere. Not everywhere. No, no, no. And I'm not. And I'm not a dirty. I'm not a messy guy. Everything has a place so the situation is I, I, I have like I will do laundry and I will, I will shake out all the stuff that would normally hang and I will put it in pot in piles that'll be t shirts, work shirts, pants. And then in that room that I had, there was a chair, an Ottoman, and then, like a hutch. And they were on those items. And then there was a bag, a basket of clean socks, and then any dirty clothes were in a hamper in that same room. But they were, they were in the hamper. So you would go in and be like, oh, there's clothes everywhere here. Yeah. I knew exactly where everything was. I have a question and I need an honest answer. And then we gotta wrap this up. All right. How many times since the the Dallas laundry lady, how many times have you tried to figure out how to monetize and create a business out of someone folding laundry? Dude, I if I could fit, I'm dead. Dead serious. I have been thinking about it, and I have been thinking about it at length because I am on record that the most underutilized. Workforce in the United States is stay at home moms that want to make some money to contribute to the house, or just mad money or whatever. But they also want to do all their kids stuff. They want to be able to take the kids school, pick them up. They want to be able to go run errands. They want to do whatever they need. The freedom. But if I could find a way to create an asset broker to broker this situation, I knew the answer as one to another, I think. I think this is a side hustle of all side hustle. Oh my. Like it exists. It exists that you. There is a laundry and folding service for a fact that exists that will come. Pick up your stuff, take it, launder it, fold it, bring it back to you in a in a basket. Done. Ready for you to put away. I don't want that. I just want somebody that I want to create a situation. Kind of like the nanny, and babysitter service. That is brilliant. The, there, this has been around for a long time, but there is a babysitting scam or babysitting Caricom in in each city, and they vet out high school and college girls and guys and they it's almost like a dating site, like they have their age and their history and a little bio about them and their picture. And they have a rate that is $15 an hour or $20 an hour or whatever. And if you need a babysitter for Friday night and you don't have a normal babysitter, your normal babysitter is busy. You can go on this app and you can book somebody.

It's Friday at 3: 1:04:13

00, and you need a babysitter at 5:00. You can book on that and it is vetted out. So what what kind of profile and vetting are you needing for somebody to fold your laundry? I don't need that. I'm saying it's the exact same nimble fingers all all that I'm all that I'm getting at is you. If you're going to invite someone into your house, you're going to give them the code to your house while you're at work or whatever that's going to be. I need them to put it away too, and have them put away. So not the people that are going to be going through your color coordinate mesh shit. But I think that there's a doable situation where you can you can basically interview that person, or you can talk to them on a mac swipe and you look at all my laundry and you could be because then you have the other thing, like you, if you have somebody that is just a fucking weirdo and now you've got, you know, Donna who thinks she's going to make an extra 500 a week by going and just folding some laundry because she likes doing it and whatever. And she goes over to, you know, while Bill's house and it's the place is a complete fucking trainwreck. And he's got six boa constrictors and he's got, you know, four dildos in his top drawer. You know what? You're what you're looking at there is you're like, fuck, I don't want to do this. This is terrible. I'm out. use what you said about wrapping it up. I was going to say I'm not sure if I can let me let me let me give it a shot. All right. Give it a shot. If this episode was entertaining and you want more of this subscribe or something similar or something similar adjacent to this, subscribe to the channel. Comment. Maybe not on this episode, but other episodes. Let us know what you think. Obviously we're on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Please go there, listen to it. Give us five star rating. Jay, send your questions. Grown ass dads at gmail.com. Yep. More swag to come. Yeah, I don't we're never going to ask anybody for anything more. Then hit the subscribe button and and tell us what you think. Tell us what you think. So there's no, there's there's no, no pay to play here. Come enjoy it. It's, ask us some questions. Tell us whether you think we're fun or helpful or more. Just whatever and just interact a little bit and have some fun. I'm okay with that. I that's that's all I will ever ask. So, this has been a blast. I love the topic, bones. Always appreciate you grown ass. That's out.