Parenting as Leadership: Raising Independent, Resourceful Kids | Janet Krebs on Communication & Responsibility

Parenting as Leadership: Raising Independent, Resourceful Kids | Janet Krebs on Communication & Responsibility

On Roundy’s Rants, Raves, and Reviews, host Tanya talks with four-time bestselling author and leadership coach Janet Krebs about how her background in HR, education, and a space flight simulator program led to a focus on communication and raising capable adults. Janet shares why she wrote a short guide, “Parenting Like a Leader: 15 Universal Shifts to Raising the Standout Adults of Tomorrow,” and explains her core idea that parents are the most important leaders, emphasizing vision, modeling, and transferring responsibility to kids. They discuss helping children practice problem-solving at home as a “learning laboratory,” normalizing failure as learning, and why speech, debate, and storytelling build confidence and real-world readiness. Janet also mentions her influences and where to find her work at janetkrebs.com and on social media.

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro
00:38 Janet’s Background Highlights
01:43 From HR to Teaching
04:37 Communication and Responsibility
08:25 Speech Debate Power
11:37 Why She Wrote the Book
13:32 Influences and Lifelong Learning
18:35 Parenting as Leadership
21:59 Chores Build Responsibility
23:07 Parenting Becomes A Verb
24:07 Kids Need Practice
24:57 No Shame For Parents
26:53 Sports And Family Burnout
28:33 Start With A Vision
30:59 Home Learning Laboratory
32:53 Teaching Resourcefulness
34:43 Transfer Responsibility Ladder
37:14 Where To Find Janet
39:06 Parenting Should Be Joyful
40:27 Final Takeaways And Goodbye

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Hi everyone, welcome to Roundy's Rants, Raves, and Reviews. And today I am so excited to be joined here with a four times best-selling author and a leadership coach who is doing some interesting things with it that I am so excited to learn about and to take. And I hope all of you will learn and enjoy as well. I'm joined here with Janet Krebs. Am I saying that correctly?

unknown 0:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

And will you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Well, at 62, I can't tell you a little bit about myself. So tell us a mom about yourself. I'll just I'll tell you who I am. Like I my blessings is that I'm a mom and I have done some of the coolest things in the world. Like I was in education for 20 years. I worked in a space flight simulator. I was in HR. I've been an executive consultant. And you know what? And an author and a speaker, and just wonderful things. But you know what? I really at the end of the day, wife and mother are my two, like those are my two outstanding titles.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

I love it. That's my favorite titles, too, is wife and mother. And no grandmother. And all the feelings of those things, but those are the definite floor and rock of what we do. So you were in education for 20 years. I've been in it 20 years now, too, and feeling it. But what were you? What did you teach? And what was your experience like in the education field?

SPEAKER_01 1:42

It's actually it's really ironic. The I didn't want to be a mother. I didn't even necessarily like kids. And I never babysat. Like I just didn't, and I didn't have great role models, honestly, which is probably why I was thinking motherhood was not going to be in my thing. I promise I'm going to answer your question here in a second, but it's a relevant build. I was in HR and I was working with unemployed and underemployed people, and I did a lot of work with like interviewing and transferable skills that they could take into the workplace. And I did a lot of career coaching kinds of things. One thing I noticed, Tanya, was that people just had very poor communication skills and they couldn't articulate themselves and they couldn't speak succinctly. And I thought to my, and these were adults, which is why they were struggling in the workforce. I thought, how young, like at what point do we need to intervene to elevate these skills? And I just went to observe in a friend of mine, she was a fourth grade teacher, and I thought, well, maybe this is what I should be doing, is like teaching younger people so that they grow up with communication, like good communication skills. That's actually how I got into teaching. It was like a byproduct of like, I'm going to be the best teacher of good communication skills so that because if you can communicate, you can literally do anything. Right. Right. Yeah. And so I became a teacher. And around the same time that I became a mother, which was also ironic since I didn't really want to do that. And then I one day woke up and said, I have enough love in my heart to be a mom. I mean that is a true story. It sounds so cliche and so Disneyland. And yet it is absolutely the truth. I woke up one day and I was like, oh my gosh, I actually think I'm ready. I was almost 30. So a little maturity, you know, definitely contributed. And the rest was history. My career in teaching, and I taught everything from Montessori, which I happen to love, by the way, Montessori through adults. And my experience in the spaceflight simulator was an educational program. That was my classroom. And so that was really fifth grade and above. So I like the kids that nobody liked, fifth grade and above. But they got my sarcasm. Oh yeah. They'll get it. Right? Yeah. I yeah, I could play with that. And that would just really became a great, you know, a great mission. If a child said, you know, they would like they would raise their hand. And I was like, I have a question. It's like, okay. And they would be like, I don't get this. I'd be like, well, that's a declarative. And not when you come up with the question, when you come up with the question, I'll be back.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

And they were like not playing the game, people doctrine. And so that then I, you know, and I I brought all that home to my own children as they got older, obviously. And I just became an absolute advocate for good communication skills and parenting in with the vision of transferring responsibility back on the human, the child, usually an older child, obviously, so that they could leave the nest and be able to live their lives. Because I saw so many people in a, you know, when I was doing that career work that were really struggling. Isn't it's a kind of a roundabout way to have gotten there? But that's where I got today. So there are times when I just say, everything I've ever done professionally has led up to this chapter in my life, which is actually true.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

It it and it everything in our lives always usually does. And we don't always see it until we're like looking back and going, oh, this led to this, and we can see all the pieces put together. But at the time, we're just like, and here we go. That's right. But I agree. I so I yeah, I started having my kids young, and then and I took and I worked in a hospital for like nine years, and it's like this is doing things, and then I went back to teaching because that's always what I wanted to do when I was growing up. But I was a speech debate coach and theater teacher, and communication is everything I do in English, and everything I'm like, guys, you have to read the instructions, follow the instructions, and be able to articulate and express yourself. You can do those. Life will be good. They don't always delete me.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Oh, that's true. It is so true. And look how much of you know, I love that you've are you still involved in theater? Yes, very dang, yeah. Everyone's talking about storytelling, you know. I have a client who is leading a woman's event this evening and locally, and she texted me because I said, you know, good luck. And I had seen her earlier today, and she wasn't taking her own advice of the talk that she was giving. So when I said, You're gonna do great tonight, and she wrote, she said, I added our conversation today in that I was not practicing what I preach. And I said, People love a good, authentic, vulnerable story. Like she wasn't walking or talk, right? So just the ability to be able to tell that story and make it relevant in other people's lives is so that it's connection. To me, that's a beautiful way to connect.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Yeah. And it's so human, right? When we're human with each other, that and we're so afraid of being human with each other, we're so afraid of making mistakes or being judged. I think when I'm dealing with my students, I think that's the biggest thing that keeps them from taking those risks and trying to do those things, is they're just so afraid of being judged or failure or whatever. I'm like, guys, failure is life. It's a good thing in my classroom, and they still don't believe it because you know, all the world around them it's yeah, and HR. I one of the speech and debate tournaments I was at, we had an HR guy there judging. If it's just like first time judging, you was a parent or something, new kid. And he came out of his first round and said, Why isn't every single kid in the entire United States taking this and doing a speech and debate? Because he's like, This is the number one skill they were seeing, and this has been 10 years ago too, that they were seeing is being needed as well, because kids can't communicate and they're not coming in prepared for life in any way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

It's so true. I actually had the privilege a year and a half ago, I guess it was, to I was invited to judge a speech competition in my area because I knew the coach, a former teacher. And oh my gosh, like I remember going to bed the night before, lamenting. It's like, why did you say yes to that? I had to be there at like 6 a.m. Six o'clock in the morning. Like an hour away, and I'm driving in the dark. I'm like, what were you thinking? And then on my way home, I was like, that was the best darn day. I was so inspired by young adults just slaying their message and their delivery, and even if they didn't, you could just tell that they were like a for effort. I it was like the best day ever.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Absolutely. Yeah, I know I've seen kids just change around completely. I mean, I was one of those ones that they got me involved in speech debate because I had stage fright and way express myself and get out of myself. And I will see a kid in his freshman year who is stuttering because he's got a speech impediment and struggling, but by their senior year, they're talking at the national stage and they're so confident. The difference that just getting them out and helping them to discover those things can be life altering.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Yeah. In our community here, we have an oratorical contest. I think it's the Optimist Club that sponsors it. One of them, I'm sure kids going through grade school. Oh my gosh, I made them do it. Like it wasn't even an option. Like, you will submit, you will participate. They hated it, hated it, hated it. To this day, they will tell you that although they hated it, they are today at third this year, they will both at 30 and 34, they are famously fantastic at oration. And they were like, I they just got over the jitters as kids and figured out how to make it work. Like, that's the greatest gift. Because, like, in an interview, you're pitching a job, you're like, I so we could make so many arguments on why this is a critical skill for our kids. But I have to step off of the soapbox, otherwise, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

I get a little up on it too. I'm like, oh my principles don't always appreciate it. Like, yeah, we get it, Tanya. It's all right. So you went from this, where has your writing been in all of this journey? And what have we written, what have you been writing about? And what got you into that part through all of this journey?

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Great question. Why did I write a book? I think, well, like three of them, and they're all behind me, you can see them. So all the colored covers, those are like I have a chapter in a compilation book, but the book went to best seller, and so they like they include me in that. The white one is my this one. I wrote, so this is the itty bitty. This is an itty bitty book. It's a guide to parenting like a leader. So it's 15 universal sifts to raising the standout adults of tomorrow. And it's really short. I mean, it's really small. So it's like, so it's easy to get through. So it's kind of like a workbook, it's just a great conversation piece. So if I'm coaching, like it's it kind of goes with like here, this is a great place for us to start if what they're working on is something that's touched on. Uh and I just wanted to write a book, I just wanted to do it. I got another one in me too. Sorry, there's one. Oh, good.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Once we get started, it's like a little thing. You just have to keep doing it, I guess. Yeah, I just took great.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Why did I write the book? I don't know. Maybe uh just everything that I said, and the introduction is to my kids. The intro is to the dedication, I guess. So maybe that's you know, it's like I'll be long gone, and there will be a book floating out in the ether that's got a dedication to them in it. It's for them.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

For them. That's awesome. So you've gone through all of these things, and we're gonna I want to get to the parenting and the leadership things that you're talking about, but what inspired you? Who are the people you are reading and or are reading that give you inspiration and that you connect to in life?

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Another great question. You're very good at this. I well, that's why it's your show, right? Because she is a boss. So you're very good at this. I have been a lifelong learner my entire life. Like I have just been in personal and professional development my entire life. I either taught it or I was a participant. I love learning and I love teaching. So I'm always learning and seeking. Back in the day, do you remember John Rosmond? Like old school parenting uh writer. He had a column, right? Like, I was reading his stuff. He came to Indianapolis. I brought the book and had him sign it and like went to like I will do those things. I like remember staying in line in California actually to see and listen to Leo Biscalia, right? Dr. Love, like a hundred years ago. Most recently, the obvious ones are the John Maxwells and the Simon Cynics, who are leadership gurus. But I love Brene Brown and her, you know, talks about vulnerability. And I like I just everyone's got a nugget. I don't know that I have a lean to. My library is so extensive and very eclectic.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

That's mine. My husband, every time I get a new bookshelf. Yeah. I love that too, because Irma Baumbeck is one of my favorite ones. And I got that from my mother because she's telling it how it is, and it's like, but it's so funny and real and honest at the same time. And it's just it always spoke to me.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Some of your listeners probably don't even know who that is.

unknown 15:37

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

But you should go look her up, guys.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Especially if you're a mom. They there's some like and she's even still alive, Dr. Long. I have her books upstairs. I got a couple of hers upstairs.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Her talk show and her just I mean, anyone who's plain speaking and just giving the honest, raw truth about life is I love it because we have too much tiptoeing around and things like this. I'm like, just tell me how it is, and let's just get to it.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

And yes, and if it doesn't land, let it not land. But at least expose yourself to a to a perspective, to a point of view that you may not have been seeking, and then just settle in to if I get one nugget out of this, it will have been worth my time. Because not everything's gonna land, but this is kind of how we shape and cultivate who it is that we are, what we stand for, and that can't be a narrow lane. Well, it's not a narrow lane for me, it's an organic montage of lots of different perspectives, a mosaic of perspective than that I call my own.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Yeah, it's what built who we are and what we then what we take from everything and turn into what we take forward with us.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Yeah, case in point. Here's a just a great example. 15 universal shifts, because right, because they're not changes, they're just shifts, little pivots, shifts to raising the standout adults of tomorrow. I heard, like, because it was like, what kind of adults? Are they independent adults? Are they resilient adults? Like, what's the word? Success, that's very obscure, very different for everybody. Standout for that matter could be different. But I heard John Maxwell give a lecture and he used that in his lecture, and it just landed with me. I'm like, John, I'm taking that from you because standout adults are those, like you said, when we were talking about communication, those kids that can, they stand out in a sea of mediocre speakers, not kids, but mediocre speakers, the kids that can communicate stand out. So if we want to help our kids, whether we're teachers, mentors, coaches, clergy, doesn't matter which influencer role you have, if you can help kids stand out in this world, whoo! You just gave them the greatest gift ever.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Exactly. And that goes for job interviews and for anything, because when you're prepared and you're responsible and you're gonna stand out that way too. You know, you may not communicate as well, but you've got dependability and those types of things, which I think is the perfect segue into your book about and what you're doing with parenting with leadership. I I love this because yeah. So tell us about it.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Which way do you want me to go? I could go. Whichever way, man. It's like, yeah. So here's the overart, which again is like another shift. And I love shifts, not to be disruptive, but there is a slightly disruptive side to me. And I think this is what changes minds today. And boy, if there's ever, you know, something that can snap you out of, you know, the coma that we're often living in, it's a change of mind, something that's disruptive. I truly believe that parents are leaders. We are the most important leaders, influencers in the world. And do you remember when Oprah? This also dates me, but remember Oprah would be like, you get a car and you get a car, and you right? Everybody when I say parenting is leadership, I think like if I were on stage, it would be like, you get a raise and you get a raise. How many times, Tanya, have you heard somebody say, Oh, I'm just a mom? Right? Right? I'm just a homemaker, I just stay at home or whatever. Are you kidding me? You are yes, and so when this thought came to me, and I don't remember the day that it did, but when it came to me, it was chief executive officer, parents, moms, is my audience mostly, although I do work with some dads, chief everything officers. So that's really what a CEO is chief financial, chief nutrition, chief transportation, chief logistics, director of the lost and found, like you name it. Mom's parents do everything. And when we wake up, when you wake up, when anybody listening wakes up and says, I'm not just an anything, I am a leader, and I have seen it when parents own step up, step into that posture of leadership, magic happens. And it's like a whiplash moment in the kids when you draw the line in the sand with a posture of not this is not the words that are coming out of your mouth, but with the posture of, you know, that's not gonna happen, that's not gonna fly around here anymore. Like that just doesn't happen. That's not tolerated anymore. You're gonna have to take ownership for that. Mom, where's my backpack? I don't know. My backpack? That's your backpack. I'm not responsible for that. So, like, what did you do with your backpack? Great question, kiddo. Let me know when you find it. Like, just those kinds of things, and they're like. What's happening to mom? So she's out there. But think about the how that then over time is so liberating to mom, dad, whomever, parents. So for me, it's about the transfer of responsibility.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

And it teaches the kids too. Why you and my mother would have gotten along so well because that was my mother from the time I was growing up. It's like, so what are you gonna do about it? How are you going to handle it? We've had chores, we had a chore chart, we were all, you know, contributing, we all were in councils together. You know, it was very much my mother taught us so much, and she was such a great leader in everything that she did. And I know she doesn't take credit for it in any way, shape, or form, and she doesn't feel herself as something, but she was so incredible within this. And it's amazing how my we just were like, that's normal. And then but other kids were like, What you have to do chores, you're not getting an allowance for it, you're just expected to do this.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Right. Do you know? Here's a fun fact: did you know that parenting became a verb in the 1970s? Huh? Before then, we it was just something that our parents did. Like it was never a verb, like no books were written about it. It's just something that was, it just happened, and then we had to go muck it up by making it formulaic and you know, something that had to have lots of different strategies. I mean, it's very interesting, and it's I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, but uh you work with kids, you know, like the kids are good, kids are inherently good. They're begging us to lead them, to show them the way through a world that is very scary.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

And so it's our responsibility. And the only way for them to learn it is one, for us to model it, and two, to have them practice it. You can't just say, Oh, this is what you do, and then never have them do it, and then expect them to know how to do it. And so many of my kids are like, Well, just give me a worksheet, or just tell me what you want me to say or do, and that way I can get by. And I'm like, no, that's not how this works. And I'm like, you've got to do this, you've got to actually have your hands on it, you've got to think for yourself, you have to do these things. And boy, I get so much pushback from parents, even because I make I want to have their kids take responsibility for their grades or for their learning. And I'm like, I think it's so frustrating sometimes just to look around and see that there is no leadership in the hall.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

And we can pause for just a moment. Yeah. For all of the listeners and viewers, if you feel yourself in that what Tanya just said about, you know, like all just as I said, all kids are good. All parents really do operate, I believe, all operate from a place of the best of intentions and doing the absolute best that they possibly can. So I don't want anybody to feel as though this is a finger wag or a shaming exercise. It is not, and it is no fault of yours if you have no idea what to do, because let's face it, we buy a human home with no owner's manual.

unknown 25:45

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

And all the different voices telling you how to be a parent. Right. I mean, you literally you buy a coffee maker and you get 37 pages of instructions. You bring so much and you get nothing except a wave and a prayer.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Good luck, everyone. Have fun. Storm in the castle, right? It's so true, and it is, and but and the pushback is there, but yet they too don't know, right? And that's exactly it, is they don't understand or have that, and they don't know how to do it. And I think we've been growing up in a few generations of that now that we're just losing that leadership and losing that ability.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

And like again, like every like parents are just they're busy and they're distracted and overwhelmed. And we have electronics, and and when we yeah, it's it again, it is no one's this is not a finger point. It's like it's no one's fault, you know. I did a video a recording not that long ago, listening to a mom lament, and she was just explaining her weekend to me, but she wasn't home all weekend because her family was running around with these organized sports. And like I did a video, like our uh is it competitive team, whatever you call it, right? League. Um, are these sport activities destroying our families?

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Like, I mean, here she was Monday morning, a wreck, exhausted, feeling as though she didn't get anything done over the weekend. And so, like, at what cost? Anyway, I like again, yeah. Activities are good for our kids. We want them to be involved, it keeps them out of trouble. It learns, they get to learn good skills. I get it. But at what cost and at what level? Anyway, another. Well, your show includes rants, and so that's exactly it. We are ranting, and that's perfectly okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

That's what we're here for. I love it. Because yours and I rant, we are like, yes. Ah, it's true. What can we do about it? Is the next thing because you know, I'm all about we have these things and we see these things. What can we do? What where is it we can start? Even just small and simple things. Where can the teacher, the parent, the when we start to recognize this? Where can we start?

SPEAKER_01 28:22

In my world, in the world according to Janet, for those of you who saw the world according to Garp, I just I don't even know where that came from. That just popped into my head. Going back to parenting is leadership. One of my leadership characteristics, qualities that I'm a huge fan of that I think we as a nation have lost is the ability to create a vision. And so for me, it starts with the vision. For example, you working with kids on theater, and I'm making this up, I don't know your world, but let me play for a second and feel free to correct. You know, the vision is for children to confidently get up on stage, and if they're doing a production, then they're gonna have some fun, they're gonna learn their lines, they're gonna embody the character that they are, and then as a collective group, they're going to put on a beautiful show for the audience, and that's what we call theater and entertainment, and there's tons that they learn along the way. Great vision, right? It's like 30,000-foot view, and that's what it feels like the day of auditions when everyone's trying out. Right. You have this young child, but it was it's so interesting. When I had my kids, my only goal was for them to eventually leave and be okay. Like I just knew that was my job, probably because of my years in education, and so the vision was for them to be resourceful and independent adults. So that's like that could be a great place to start. I'm not raising kids, I'm raising adults. What do I need to do to make this child into an adult that will be okay in this world? And that to me is a great place to start. Does that sound daunting? Sure. But can a fifth grader be responsible for a load of laundry that's been dumped on their bed and say, Hey, your clothes are clean, fold them and put them away. I'll be back in 30 minutes. See that it's done. Like just setting up, and this is another thing, it's actually it's in the book, and I swear by this as a strategy, turning your home into a learning laboratory. Let them make, let them learn and make all of the mistakes while they're home so that it's not paramount, i.e., when they're at university or they've moved out or they've gone into the military or whatever it is and they're out on their own. Let them try and fail and problem solve and troubleshoot while they're home, and it's safe. So what if they put the red towel into the white t-shirt? You learn never to do that. Better to that, better to do that at uh in at home when it's a Kmart t-shirt. I don't know, I'm I don't know who I'm talking to. Right. It's a grade school war wardrobe as opposed to you know a Brooks Brothers suit, right? Or something like that, or your favorite linens, or you know, you're married now and you've now ruined a beautiful set of towels. I I don't know, I'm making all this up, but try it at home. Like, do let's what can we do?

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Absolutely. I love that idea of the learning laboratory at home because that's the safest place, right? That's the place where and we can guide them and teach them and and also show them that failure and learning are the same thing and it's okay, and you're not any less of a person because of it. Whereas out in the world, you know, some that gets daunted at them all the time, social media and everything else, and they put grades on them at school. And it's like all these things. Home is the place where we can like really show them and teach them and let them figure it out so that they're so strong when they go out to face that.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

I when I was writing the book, I obviously I asked my kids a couple of questions, just so I got it right. And I asked my daughter, like, what was the one thing that you learned, you know, in your childhood that you still take with you today? And she said, I hated you for it, but you never answered my questions. You always just said, Oh, I'll be so curious to see how you figured that out. And she said, But thank God that's what you did. Because today, oh my gosh, Tanya, if I told you the things that woman has created, fixed, built, like, and they have YouTube and all of that, but she's not afraid to try it. Right. And so she said, resourcefulness. She said, You taught me to be resourceful. And so now that I am out on my own, I am not afraid, and I am confident that I, as long as I because I can read, I can figure anything out. That's a gift, yeah, that's a gift.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

My mother did the same thing. We had a shelf of encyclopedias and books because pre-internet age. But you she's like, you wanted to learn something, go look it up. You want to know how to spell something, go look it up in the dictionary. Right.

unknown 34:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

She taught me how to use them, and we did when I wrote a report. Well, how are you gonna fix it? Okay, here's the things, go fix it. It was always about improving and learning and figuring out how I can do this with support until I didn't need that support anymore. And still need her support when I was doing my master's paper. So it was mom editing them. It was but yeah, you're right. It is such a guest that I am so blessed to have. And I hope I did it for my kids, right? They tell me.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

And and you just said the key thing until you didn't need it. So that's like another little key phrase in my world, the transfer of responsibility. You're there until they don't need you to be there. And that's when you know, and there's a lot to learn, and it's fun. Like, you know, my kids are in their 30s, and they still don't call them to ask how they call to tell me what they've done, yeah, not to ask me how to do it. But it's that transfer of responsibility. That's how we bridge the gap. I will do for you, I will do with you, I will support you while you do it. And oh, look, you're doing it. It's a it's like this ladder of accomplishment. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

And it does extend past it too. Like when your first parent and you're reaching out, mom, how do I do this? How do I take care of this baby? That generational knowledge, that is your handbook, right? That is where, if we're able to do that and we have those resources available to us, and hopefully, not everyone's in an ideal situation to do that, but that's we're still teaching and doing, and we're still learning, and they're supporting, or we're supporting your kids as they learn new things in life when they get fired from their first job or whatever it is, you know, okay, sad. What are you gonna do about it?

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Right? Right? What's tax? Like you're gonna be okay. Like you have no evidence to indicate otherwise. You have failed before, no different from right. See, that's the point. Fail at home in the learning lab so that when you're you know all grown up and all adult and you fail. We're just using that as an example, you're not it's not a catastrophe. Right. It's it might be sad. Sad, it's sad, but it's not a lingering trauma that you can't get over. It's just like, ah, okay, another one. I'll be real curious to see what's around the corner and coming next.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

And we work for it and we pick ourselves up and we go after it. Because we've been taught. Wow, I love it. And I hope more people are doing it. I think we see a need for it in our world, and we see a lot of people looking for this um, of how to help their families, how to bridge these gaps and how to bring it in the business world and families and education, bringing it all around. Where can we find yourself and start using it in our homes? And where can we listen to you or follow you to get that advice and to get that support?

SPEAKER_01 37:25

Fun stuff. Thanks for asking. I I really just I could like my business is raising independence. Gee, shocker, right? But I don't use it, I don't use it, I use it in my bio and stuff like that. But people, where they find me on social media, you're gonna find me under my name, Janet Krebs. You look up Janet Krebs on the internet, Janet Krebs.com is my website. I'll just use my name and I answer all my own emails by myself. No AI. No AI. No AI. I just I it's just a small operation. I'm real selective about the clients that I take on. Parenting is personal, you know, but it just doesn't, I want it to be, and I want it to be personal. So people that reach out, it's like you're just you're gonna get an answer from me. Like it's the real deal. That is so awesome.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

And I love that even though you maybe can't take on a logic lentel, we do have a resource now from you that we can use to help us, even if we're not personally there with you. And then hopefully we can take that.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Yeah, and on search on Facebook, they're not like you'd have to search for it. But I mean, I do I release videos twice a week. They're kind of random about subjects that I've touched, but I do release twice a week there. So you might find something there, reach out and I'll do a video for you. Like, I don't know, it just doesn't. I you know what I want it to be, Tanya? Easy, right? Life is hard. We don't need that any harder. We don't need it any harder. And I what I don't want people to hear from this is like, oh, here's just like another set of rules or whatever. You know what it really is? It's like a look in the mirror, say, what do I really want? Like, what am I what's keeping me up at night? What can I do? And if you can't answer that question, then just get some help, whether it's a girlfriend, you know, or a mom's group or whatever it is, you don't have to do it alone. It doesn't have to be parenting, should be joyful. And I know that there's you know, there's often situations, episodes that are less joyful, but let's remember the tombstone. Like, can you imagine? We engrave only the roles that we have within family on our gravestones. So that's the most important thing. It is. It's supposed to be joyful. That's what we that's what we remember, that's how we will be remembered.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Absolutely. All the other things they really aren't as significant as what we can do there. And I love that you're trying to make it simple, and it can be simple, and so it is. It may take work, but it doesn't have to be hard. We could just take it one step at a time, too. Yeah, I love it. Any last message, anything that you want to leave us with that would take us away? I think I did.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

I think I think I think you did too. Like you meant I took you into the cemetery. I think that's we're at the grave, you guys. We're good. No, we've ranted a lot. You are an absolute joy and such a pleasure to speak with. So thank you so much. Well, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

And I am so grateful that you are taking what you've learned and you're giving it out to the world because we don't have to be alone in it. And I think so many of us feel alone. And especially in our day and age, we don't feel as connected as families and units anymore to have those things. And I love that you're trying to bring that back and help each other and support each other. Thank you for doing that. Appreciate it. Thanks. You guys go check it out. Remember, one step at a time, it doesn't have to be hard, but be the leader, find that focus and that vision that you want to have and make it happen. We'll see you next time on Roundies Rants Raves and Reviews. No, you're loved. Thank you, Janet. Thank you.