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Inside the Lab: A Cosmetic Chemist's Longevity Rules
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For the last eight years, Jean-Daniel Bartl has been the chemist behind many of our Meder formulas. He has created over 2,000 cosmetic products and trained more than 5,000 professionals. But eight years ago, working sixteen-hour days on four hours of sleep, he ended up in a hospital emergency room with a heart issue, and everything changed.
In this conversation, we talk about what really happens inside a cosmetic lab, why he compares formulation to being a Michelin-starred chef, and how that hospital bed became the beginning of his longevity mission. Jean-Daniel shares his five levels of energy (physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, and light) and explains why the pillar people most often neglect is different for every single person. We also get delightfully nerdy about ingredients, chronobiology, photobiomodulation, and the quantum chemistry behind why plant molecules speak so fluently to human skin. And we end on the line I keep thinking about: the fountain of youth may not exist, but the fountain of energy does.
Episode resources:
Vita-Long Oil Awarded Prix d’Excellence de la Beauté!
Photobiomodulation—Underlying Mechanism and Clinical Applications
Learn more from the previous episodes:
Your Skin's Renewal System: The Real Science of Stem Cells
Why Your Skin Cells Stop Listening, And How to Fix It
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You want health the glowing skin, but with all the products, trends, and conflicting advice, it's hard to know what actually works. I understand. I am Dr. Tina Metter, former cardiologist and specialist in the skincare development and cosmetic safety expert. I spent years studying the science of skin. Welcome to Mather Beauty Podcast, where we uncover what really matters, break down the science and give you real experts about skincare device. Whether you're looking to achieve red and healthy skin, curious about as the agent or want to understand what's really in your product, you are in the right place. We'll have in-depth conversations with leading dermatologists, medical experts, and skincare brand founders to bring you the latest innovation, evidence-based insights, and industry secrets that truly make a difference. We are so happy you are here. So let's go. Welcome to the Midair Beauty Podcast. And today I have a very special guest and an amazing collaborator of many years, cosmetic chemist and longevity coach, Jean-Daniel Bartol. And for the last eight years, Jean-Daniel has been behind many of our formulas in uh Midair skincare. I hope you love our formulas. And Jean-Daniel has been bringing together all this rigorous cosmetic science with a deep passion to longevity. So in this conversation, we will talk about Jean-Daniel's life story, why he chose cosmetic chemistry, how he discovered longevity, and what is his own strategy for staying strong, focused, and well over the time. And we will also explore his new education project, which can be very interesting for all uh colleagues, beauticians, skin practitioners, dermatologists, aesthetic doctors, and we will probably chat about some behind-the-scenes stories from our years of working together. So, if you're curious about what really happens in the cosmetic lab and curious to know how chemists think about aging, this episode is for you. So, thank you for so much for your attention. And to begin, maybe could you tell our listeners where you come from and what your childhood was like? Did you want to be a cosmetic chemist all your life?
SPEAKER_01Yes, that's a good question. Thank you. So, yeah, I grew up in in Switzerland, and um I remember when I was a child, I was quite curious about everything. I remember I was fascinated by trying to understand how things worked. And um, I was not only happy understanding how it works, I wanted to know why. When I was a young kid, my father used to read me stories, and uh I remember he was reading me some big encyclopedia, one of them was called um Tout l'univers. In French, it means uh the whole universe. And I was fascinated by this encyclopedia. You know, back at that time we had no screens. That may sound strange, but we didn't have AI, we didn't have Google, we didn't have uh any uh computer or iPhone, and guess what? I didn't even have a television. So at these big books, I feel like a dinosaur saying that, but we had this huge encyclopedia, and he was teaching me things about the universe, and I wanted to know everything about nature, etc. So I think that's how I grew up, uh, being curious about understanding nature. And the second thing I remember is that I had a younger sister, she's five years younger than me, and I always wanted to help her. I spent many hours playing with her, and I always wanted her to be happy, and I think that's something I kept on during all my life. I wanted to have happy people around me.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's so cute, and actually, that's a lot of common between us because in my childhood we didn't have television as well, because I remember that's only in my grandfather's house they've had this black and white television, so they've got a lot of encyclopedia. And one of my favorite childhood books was industrial chemistry. Yeah, it's still here. Keep it, it was somehow industrial chemistry for fun, if you can imagine it. And so I tried to prepare some uh washing powder from this chemistry. Probably when you don't have a lot of things to enjoy, you become a little bit overcreative.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00So it worked well for both of us. It is really interesting, but what was the first three years that's uh just bring you toward chemistry and cosmetic rather than another branch of science? Because I can imagine biology or physics that was equally interested.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true. And I I was actually interested in uh chemistry as well as in physics, and in the end, I was fascinated by chemistry because I think it's exactly the intersection between science and creativity. And I think I'm quite creative and I needed to fuel this creativity. And um, actually, when I discovered formulation, I I found out that exactly what I was looking for because you know we are combining hundreds of ingredients, we have a a complete list of like thousands of ingredients, we need to choose some of them, and we combine dozens of them together to create a product that doesn't exist. So I think it's fascinating. That was what fascinated me about chemistry is like being able to create something from something else or from nothing.
SPEAKER_00Still the good old art of transformation, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly. Like the old alchemist through electronics from yeah, produce gold.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not so far away from this idea to produce gold. Every time when you work on transformation of something, it still keeps this excitement. Oh my god, gold is here. And uh, you are working in uh cosmetic chemistry for many years, right?
SPEAKER_01Yes, more than 20 years. 25 years now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's a whole life. Some people they've been born with this year when you started to work in the lab, and they're already adult. But what you enjoy on your daily basis in the laboratory, you still enjoy this work, right? What are these exciting moments?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I still enjoy it because cosmetic science is never still, it's always moving. Every year there are new ingredients, there are new discoveries. Every year we we try to study the skin more deeply. Uh, we understand now that the skin is not only the skin, it's also the microbiome uh on the skin. Uh now we understand things like cell communication. Uh we explore longevity pathways. So I think uh yeah, it's a science that never stops, it's never still, and it's uh it's always evolving, so it's it's fascinating.
SPEAKER_00It's so great. And I know that a lot of young people they are excited about the career in the chemistry and the molecular biology and all together in the laboratory of natural science. And sometimes even beauticians they're asking me how it looks. When cosmetic science works, they just take the glass and glass and they mix things together. And how that can you describe a little bit the cosmetic chemistry as a profession for someone who never been in the laboratory?
SPEAKER_01Yes. Uh, the work of a cosmetic chemist is a bit an intersection between an architect and a good cook. You know, you need the scientific precision to understand the ingredient, to understand the need of the skin. You need to understand how the ingredients interact one with another. You also need creativity, as I as I said before. And um, I think the goal is to create an experience for a client in the end. So it starts by studying the need of the skin, uh, by studying the texture of the product, the color, the fragrance, the absorption, uh, the stability of the products, the interaction between the product and the skin, the interaction between the product and the packaging. It needs some patience because sometimes we need to be patient because we need to perform many tests before we find the right combination of ingredients. And then when we find all the right combination of ingredients, sometimes we're disappointing because it's not stable. And uh, so this all the tests are really necessary. And um, yeah, that's the the life of a chemist, cosmetic chemist is a life of patience and uh of passion, I think. Some chemists they just try to mix some ingredients, and I think it's not as simple as that. I love to say that I like to transform people's dream into a cream, so it's just uh transforming a D in a C. But we need to understand people, and this is very important to understand the need of the people and not only mix ingredients.
SPEAKER_00Because some people they think and chemists they are playing all the time with these substances and solutions and changing the color and smell, and just air de jour playground 100%. But you spend a lot of time uh during research, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right. It's true that chemists are always a bit crazy and try to mix strange things, and sometimes they have an explosion in the lab. And it's true, we all all did that, and we really it happens explosion in the lab. It happens, not in the formulation lab, but in in a chemical lab, I had some small explosion, some fumes. And I remember when I was studying at university, we were playing with uh with fumes and and and making tricks to other colleagues. And yeah, that was very funny doing that. But we need to have a scientific approach and be very careful about what we do if we want to find out the good results.
SPEAKER_00And uh where the journey starts, at least most of the time, from the ingredient which excited you or from the idea of the product.
SPEAKER_01The the beginning is when we create a good formula, the beginning is that we need to understand the need of the of the client. So we focus on the need of the skin, and this is what I love with the cooperation with you, and that that you understand the need of the skin better than almost any other people on the planet, I think.
SPEAKER_00Oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_01And uh I've seen many clients, I I've produced for more than 100 different brands, and I and I have to say it's always a privilege to be cooperating with you because I I learned a lot during this cooperation with you. And when we work together, we always focus on the need of the skin first. We understand the biology of the skin. And starting from this need, we will build a formula that will answer this need, and then we we want to choose the ingredients, and then we will choose the texture, and we create a whole experience around it.
SPEAKER_00Oh, thank you so much for your kind force. For me, it's such a privilege to work with you because together as a team, I think we realized some really innovative formulas which have been awarded by some prestigious awards like Marie Claire Prix d'Excellence de Beauté for our first bite-along, and Circonite got literally all awards of 2022 in Britain and somewhere in Europe. But it's also it's such a difference between good formulation and excellent formulation, and what I like about your work is you are such a perfectionist about everything, about the synergy of ingredients, about the texture, how you came for this perfection, because it's actually, as I understand, no one is asking chemists to be a perfectionist, or you are or you are not.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think it's one of uh of my character is to to try to always dig deeper and uh and find a solution. I think, yeah, the the difference between a cosmetic chemist or a good cosmetic chemist, or an excellent one is just like a chef in a restaurant. Uh, a cosmetic chemist is like a cook, he just follows a recipe. A good cosmetic chemist is a chef in a nice restaurant, and he creates, he understands the ingredients, he creates unique formula for the clients. And an excellent cosmetic chemist, uh, it's what I aim to be. I don't pretend to be an excellent chemist, but I always try to improve in order to get to this level. And for me, it's like a three-star Michelin awarded top chef. And uh he he understands the client's need, he is in the head, he lives in the literally in the head of their of his clients. He creates uh like um yeah, a symphony of playing with senses, with emotions, so that it's a complete experience.
SPEAKER_00And it's really like 160 degrees.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think so. I remember I had the privilege to be invited one day to eat at uh Ansophy Peak restaurant. Yeah, it was it was an amazing experience I would never forget. And this uh star-awarded Michelin chef is is really creating an experience from the very beginning before you start to eat until the the end of the of the ceremony, I would say. I I cannot say it's a lunch, it's like a ceremony, and yeah, that's the kind of mentor I I try to follow and and do the same, uh try to do the same the skincare level.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not so industrial. Yes, it is industrial. Like a three-star Michelin restaurant is still a food industry, but it is another level. Yeah, it is an art more than an industry. It's so interesting because sometimes in creating the formulation, I know then I am limiting myself and us as a team, because for brands like Nether, we limit ourselves in the sensorial part of the formulation because we don't use colors, we don't use fragrances, because I'm trying to keep skincare formula at max inclusive and hyperallergenic. And unfortunately, colors and fragrances, they can be the allergenic factors for many people, but sometimes I feel like, oh my god, I really want to do something kind of 360 degrees more emotional.
SPEAKER_01I I understand this, and um, you know, so some of the brands they only have the fragrance and the color to attract the clients. You build a brand that can attract the uh demanding clients, even if you don't have a color and you don't have a fragrance. So I think it's it's really a performance because the first thing people do when they uh when they test a product is that they open the the container and they would smell it. It's the first thing they do.
SPEAKER_00It's a reflex, right? It's a first reaction.
SPEAKER_01You really did a performance uh with your brands, and um, I think it's a real value you have, you focus on the need, uh the biology of the skin, and um that's why your products are so efficient.
SPEAKER_00It's so interesting because it should be so different for cosmetic chemists to work on the formula for retail brands, which are super interesting, I'm sure. But professional skincare, it's another niche, another direction.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, usually we work differently for the um for the mass market brands. We start from a marketing concept and we we try to find something that fits in this marketing concept, uh, and we work the other way around. And um, yeah, I think it's really more interesting to work with brands for professionals because we go deeply into the need of the skin and it's more sustainable.
SPEAKER_00It's amazing because it's really rare when we hear people speaking about it, this opposite direction, because really in retail, the 99% of cases go from marketing to realization of product. And in professional, we go from the biology to the product, and after we are trying to create a marketing all around it. Sometimes it's difficult because you think like, oh my god, okay, how many case it pantinol? What is exciting about it? Because actually, I just love so much the hand cream which you created, which we're using as salva hand. Yes, daily hand cream. It's so simple, just four ingredients, but it works incredibly well, like invisible gloves for the skin.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I remember when we tried to create these products, the challenge was to create a product with less than 10 ingredients. And uh actually we managed to do it with only four ingredients, and we had to focus on all ingredients or active ingredients in this formula. Yeah, that was a nice, nice challenge.
SPEAKER_00It's more difficult than to create a formula with 40.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. And uh, that's what Steve Jobs says. It's sometimes uh more difficult to create simple things for the client than creating complicated things.
SPEAKER_00And actually, it really resonates for me uh in the discussion about longevity, because when people overcomplicate this longevity discussion, just recently I've been writing again about something about this Brian Johnson biohacker guy who called himself anti-aging mogul.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, that for me it sounds just so overcomplicated. What is the pleasure of life when you should eat hundreds of complements? Measure every function of your body, of your skin, every movement of your eyes. Just for what? What is longevity for you? How you came to the interest to the longevity?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a good question because for many years I focused on skincare. In my life, I had a crisis, like uh it was eight years ago. As you said, I'm a bit perfectionist, and I I were I used to work more and more, and too much. And uh about eight years ago, I had a heart issue, and I ended up at the hospital in the uh emergency room. And at that time, I was working like 16 hours a day. I was sometimes sleeping just four or four hours night. I had clients on all the all the time zone, and I was building startup at the same time, taking care of my family, and that was too much. And my body said, Stop. And on that hospital bed, I realized that I've seen myself on my deathbed, and I wonder what will I leave to my family if I continue like this. That moment changed everything. I realized I needed to adapt a new lifestyle, and this lifestyle was based on vitality, health, and I started to think about longevity because I wanted to live not only longer for my family, but also healthier and with more energy. Because, you know, longevity isn't about adding uh years to life, it's about adding life to years, it's about yeah, living more energetic. And um I think that was the start of my quest for longevity. And um at that time I realized I wanted to help people uh have more energy because I think energy is the start of everything. If you don't have energy, you cannot help others and you cannot do anything.
SPEAKER_00It's so true, and I hope our listeners will take this as a lesson. But human beings they have a tendency to discover everything by themselves, so I think that a lot of people are starting to think about longevity, being on the hospital bed or being overtired and exhausted by their lifestyle. And some people, because I discuss a lot about it with beetitions and with clients, and sometimes in kind of public discussions, and very often I meet people who just tell me, you probably are more resourceful than all of us because I'm too busy, I am too tired, I have no time, I have no money, I have no something else just to start my longevity. Journey for me, it's not about money and even not about time because I think we spend less time caring about ourselves and then do it properly. But uh, what is what was your first step? What you changed first in your life when you started to think about it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so the first thing I started is to understand to take care of myself because I was caring a lot for the others, for my employee, for my my family, for the people around me. And I started to think about if I want to help more people and to be more productive, more efficient, I need to take care of myself. And that was a complete change of mindset. So I I started to study nutrition, to exercise more, to be more in the nature, to reconnect with the nature that was so important for me when I was young and that I forgot a bit during the years. Uh, I started to take care of my sleep as well, to manage stress, and later on I understood how to better manage the emotions that are also very important, and to yeah, to be focused on um our purpose in life as well. It's a whole, and it was progressive, and little by little I I learned this different step that helped me uh have a more uh vital life and more energetic life.
SPEAKER_00No one can do it all at the same time. Sometimes people think that if you start it tomorrow, you should do everything tomorrow. Actually, it is not, I think the one step it would be enough for one day.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's um a mistake I see with quite a lot of clients. They they when they start a program of longevity or vitality or health, they want to change everything at the same time. And sometimes they are like stressed by their program of anti-stress because they have so many things to do. So I think we need to keep it simple and and start with one thing. You try to improve one thing. And the first thing I tried to improve was was nutrition. Then I talked about the different steps, but uh it took about eight years until I've I've performed all these uh different steps. It's important to focus one step at a time.
SPEAKER_00Probably having this Swiss French heritage helps a lot to play with nutrition because French cuisine is really world famous for not being only creative and super delicious, but also healthy. Maybe if you can formulate three rules about health and nutrition for our listeners who are interested in skin longevity. Obviously, skin longevity doesn't exist without body longevity. But what are the best food nutrition rules for having healthy skin and healthy body?
SPEAKER_01Yes, the first one is to eat unprocessed food. So back to basics. You need to cook yourself. Yeah, exactly. Unprocessed food. You take veggies from the garden or from the market. Organic food is very important to me. A lot of colors in the in the ingredients, in the in the fruits or in the veggies. That's maybe the first uh the first thing. Then the second advice would be to respect the chronobiology of the body and to eat the right thing at the right time. For example, at the breakfast, it's the time where the stomach is the most able to process fats. So it's very important in the morning to eat good fats, so like eggs or nuts are very important in the breakfast because you will fuel your body with this food. And you know that for in the skin, when we age, we lose the fat in the skin. So that's why the skin gets thinner and we start to have wrinkles. So if we have enough fat in the skin surface, uh we have less wrinkle as well. But if you eat too much fat in the evening, you will store it, and in the end, it's it's not what we want to do. So, second advice would be chrononutrition, and the third one would be uh I don't want to focus on the specific ingredients, but uh another variety of ingredients. You know, we say for our microbiota, we need to eat about 50 different ingredients in a week. So you need to eat something different every day and being creative also in the food, not only in the creating a product.
SPEAKER_00So the rule is try to surprise your microbiota, yeah, exactly. And what is the most underestimated pillar of longevity for you?
SPEAKER_01I think one of the most underestimated is that people they try to do everything, but they don't understand their real needs. So I think they need to understand where they lack energy because you know, if if you want sustainable energy, you need to have a balanced energy in all the different aspects of energy in the body. And some people they are, for example, I worked a lot with therapists, and uh it's very interesting because therapists or beauticians they are very often people who love the people around them, they give a lot, and in the end of the day, they don't have enough energy for themselves. So sometimes these therapists are uh they understand the emotions, they understand the spirituality, they understand they have a good mental uh power, but sometimes they forget to take care of their physical energy, they don't exercise enough, for example, and they forget one pillar, and it's it can destabilize the whole energy. And some others, they are good, uh they are a sport coach, so they practice a lot of exercise, they eat well, they have a good mental, but they don't have any uh spiritual activity or they don't know what is their goal in life, and they lose energy because they are moving by the wind and they don't know exactly where they go. So I think the secret is to manage all these different levels of energy we have in the body.
SPEAKER_00It's really wise because it's really it's so often this table with three legs, which is embalmed. And amongst beauticians, that's true. That's sometimes I think they are two groups of people, spiritual and physical, and focused on different needs. But in your program, because you have the special program, longevity program for beauticians, you're speaking a lot about sustainable energy. What is this for you? Because we speak about sustainability in the cosmetic ingredients and the cosmetic care in the product, but it is something new sustainability in our life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, many people think of energy in terms of immediate energy. So, in terms of uh cortisol, if we if we want to speak about hormones, so they feel they have a lot of energy because they are stressed. And uh, it's true that when you are stressed, you make a peak of cortisol and you have a lot of energy, but you don't, it's not sustainable. You can spend a few years like this uh being fueled with stress, and that's what I experienced for a few years, but it's not sustainable. And my advice would be that you need to stop that before your body tells you sustainable energy would be to take care of your energy, to protect your energy so that you have enough energy for a long time, and that's what longevity is actually. It's to take care of your energy and to protect it and to nourish it.
SPEAKER_00When you started to think about creating this longevity program, how it happened?
SPEAKER_01The first step was the story I said just before with the hospital. I was on the hospital bed and I realized I wanted to help people. I understood that I'm happy when people around me are happy. So that was the start. I decided that day that my mission for the rest of my life would be to help people being healthier, happier, and live longer. And I'm on a mission for that. I said that I have aged for 50 years and I want to get younger for 50 years. And uh, if I reach 100 years old and I'm still able to help people have more energy, I would say I would have accomplished my mission.
SPEAKER_00Mission completed. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds so great. But tell us more about your longevity program because I really want that our colleagues and beauticians, aesthetic doctors, they will introduce it in their life and they'll subscribe for your program because it is amazing and it is really unique. Longevity program created by someone working in the cosmetic chemistry.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so it starts with an assessment. So you asked me a question before: what is the pillar that is the most underestimated? And my answer was it's different for everybody. So uh the first thing is to make an assessment to understand where you lose energy. Starting from this assessment, we will work on the different levels of energy we have in the body. So the first level we work on is physical energy. In this level, we will work on hydration, nutrition, micronutrition, exercise. On the second level, we would work on the mental energy, understanding how to manage stress, how to better sleep. Uh, then we will work on the third level of energy, which is the level of emotional energy. Yeah, a lot of people lose a lot of energy in the emotions. If you don't control your emotion, you could you can lose a lot of energy in the emotion, and it's not easy to understand. Uh, and then the fourth level is the spiritual level. We are not talking about a religion or something uh mystical tricky because this sounds a bit mystical, but for me, spiritual energy is means being aligned with your value and your purpose in life. It's as simple as that. But if you don't take the time to do your homework and then to say what are my missions, what are my values, it's like as I say before, you you are uh going with the wind and you don't know exactly where you're going. And finally, this is quite a lot of people talk about physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual energy. But what I added is the fifth level that is the light. Because I think at the top of the mountain, there's always the sun, and the light uh shines on all the other levels of energy. I've been working with light for now 20 years. I've been fascinated by how light interacts with the body, with the skin. Yeah, our mitochondria they produce energy through ATP uh with the red light, for example, and infrared. And uh, we have captors of light in the body, and um we can also heal the body. And uh recently we had um a tragedy in Switzerland with a big fire in a nightclub, and a lot of young people were burned very severely. And um recently I had a cooperation with uh the famous surgeon who uh who did all the surgery for these kids. He did an amazing job. I have so much respect for him because he was literally uh doing surgery days and night for many days because they had so many people in injured. And uh recently we had a cooperation together to help these people with photobiomodulation, so we use light to heal the skin. Yeah, I think light is really the fifth pillar, and it's something simple like uh respecting the circadian rhythm and being in the in the in the light in the morning and being in the shadow in the during the night, and it can also be supported by some device uh when you don't have the lights the whole day, like in the northern country in the in the winter, for example.
SPEAKER_00Actually, I am in Estonia, as you know, and uh we are northern country, but look at me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you have your light.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I have my light always with me because I'm missing the light. It's so resonating with me because I'm thinking a lot about the light, and actually, we discuss it a lot with the head of our American team, who is molecular biologist and Michael, and director of our American office, and he is very passionate about light therapy as well. So he introduced the light therapy in our biofacials, in the professional treatments, and so it's really resonating. I think it's really unique because actually, for me, light energy is probably one of the most underestimated when we are speaking about health, because a lot of medical doctors they just don't take it seriously.
SPEAKER_01That's true, and and and even with this accident we had in Switzerland with the with these burned people, they didn't take it seriously at the beginning. And what I said is that we give you the machine and you you you try you try it, you heal the people, and you see if it works or not, and it worked.
SPEAKER_00And also, it is so safe, it is safe.
SPEAKER_01We have no contraindication. They have so many medical studies now about photobiomodulation, it's still not very well known, but there are a lot of clinical studies, and I have a whole list of uh pub and bed studies about photobiomodulation for the skin, and it's natural, and that's the beauty, it's accessible to to everybody. As I understand, if we simplify things, and cell takes so much energy as it needs, it cannot take too much, it cannot be overdosed by yes, that's right, and in it it depends on the device you will use, and um it's also true with the sun. Uh, you need to be careful also with the right quantity because uh and the right wave, the cohost in the medicine, but very carefully, yeah, exactly. But it's true that the skin they have these receptors, they have the res these receptors of light. Some of some of them is called um cytochrome C oxidase, which takes the the red lights and the infrared and increase the cycle of ATP and transform it into energy. So we are doing like like the plants. Uh we are transforming light into energy in our body.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, just we don't have chlorofuel, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which does the same work, which does the same, but it's not green. But it is really interesting direction because we can imagine then probably we can find some active ingredients modulating and potentiating the sensitivity of cytochrome C receptors or to digest light better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true. And I think there are still progress to be done in this way.
SPEAKER_00I I believe that probably some of our listeners now they are like, oh my god, I need to subscribe to this. What should they expect when they enter the program? How it's not kind of magical transformation. Today you are one person and tomorrow you are longevity guru. No, but it takes time, right? But what kind of changes can they expect?
SPEAKER_01I don't promise to be younger in in a couple of days. What I propose in this program is to find a way to feel younger, and that's what I say a lot of time. I'm now 52 and I feel younger than when I was 44. I'm I have more energy, uh, I feel more aligned, I'm doing steady progress on sport. So that was not the case eight years ago. So, what I propose is a sustainable way to change things little by little and with um small adjustments, change a lifestyle. And little by little, you will wake up one day and say, What happened? Last year I had less energy than now, or three months ago I had less energy. What I promise in this program is that if you follow the advice, if you do the exercise that are proposed, you will feel more energetic, more vital in the end of the program. I'm so sure about that. If people are not happy with the results, I refound the money. No question. I decided to do it because I want people to succeed with this program and I want 100% happy clients. No, it's so great.
SPEAKER_00So if it is not the motivation, I don't know what should be. And uh what is the place of topical skincare, in your opinion, in the longevity program?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think topical um skincare is very important also in longevity because you know, I think the skin is one of the most honest organs we have in the body. The skin tells you everything about what happens inside. And I've always been impressed by the beautician and by the ethic practitioners because they don't they know a lot about their clients. Sometimes they are the best psychologists, the best therapist, and um because they look at the skin, they look at the body, and they know what happens inside. And also the skin makes the interaction between the external world and the internal world. So when you put a cream on the skin, you will definitely have penetration of the product in your body. So you will have two reactions. You will improve the the cells of your body, you will you can improve the energy on your skin. So if your energy in the skin is improved, you will spare energy to do something else in the body. So it's it's a whole. We are not the skin in one side and the body in the other side, it's a hole, and the surface is the biggest organ and the most honest organ in the body.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, skin doesn't lie. That's true. Yeah. I remember when I practiced and some clients they told me, Oh my god, you are such a mind reader, how you do it. But a lot of skin practitioners they can be seen as the mind readers, because when you touch people, when you uh pay attention to the skin, you read minds because nervous systems are so closely related. So every time when you apply some skincare, you send the message to your brain, to your mind, to a nervous system.
SPEAKER_01And yeah, people we have more neurons in the skin than in the in the in the brain. So the skin communicates with the brain, and and we we know that so it's it's true. Taking care of your skin, send a message to the whole body.
SPEAKER_00It's actually this trend of the latest years, which is called neurocosmetics. And I was really excited when I've been listening to Professor Misery in the first time, who'd been speaking about embryo closeness of the skin and the nervous system. And I think, oh my God, it is true that both of them they are from ictoderm, so embryologically, it is the same organ. But now when I see brands who are nonsense, and this or that is neurotherapeutic, I am a bit skeptical because literally everything is neurotherapeutic, everything you apply on the skin, it interacts with receptors, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So, how you can create something which is not neurotherapeutic?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true. And that that's the border between science and marketing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But neurotherapy is a nice word. Actually, there's a lot of interesting ingredients. And speaking about skin care and longevity, just you know, by curiosity, what if we pick, I don't know, three or five longevity ingredients? What would be your choice?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, this is a good question. I thought about it a bit, but I think the first one would not target the skin directly, but the microbiome. Because I think microbiome is so important, and you have been an ambassador for of microbiome for many years. And so I think, yeah, probiotic would be maybe one of my first choices to work on the skin. And I I love one uh one of the ingredients we you use together in in one of your products, like the circonite or the vital long, which uh is a probiotic taken from the Indian Ocean.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_01It's really an impressive ingredient that's also work on um mitochondria, on the production of energy in the skin. This may be my first choice. Uh, second choice would be definitely the peptides, because peptides are very precise. We we can do something very specific, targeting some receptors, yeah, working with specific peptides like the last one we used together, uh, which is a cyclic peptide, which is such a revolution. Total revolution in a skin. Care industry. And I remember when we found out this ingredient, we met in the in this trade show. And it's funny because when we meet at the trade show, usually you say, Oh, I have found this ingredient. And me, I say, I found this one. And sometimes we find one together. And this one, one of them, one of them was this uh cyclic peptide. We say, Oh, it's a complete revolution, we need to use it.
SPEAKER_00And uh yeah, I think I I'm not sure then some other brands used that already because I'm looking for and I don't see it yet on the market.
SPEAKER_01I have never seen it either, so I I think you may be the first one to use it. Oh my god, I'm so proud of us. Yeah, and you you will keep your crown of uh queen of peptides for many years, I think. And yeah, and maybe the third ingredient, oh, it's difficult to choose one. How was I hesitating between the stem cells and um NAD ingredients? But yeah, I think stem cells are are really interesting uh because they can transform in any cells. And in the plants, we found stem cells that can uh have the same effect on the skin. And if you combine stem cells together with um polyphenols, you you have uh an amazing result. Yeah, that's some of the ingredients I would use for longevity.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I agree. Stem cells are so full of life and biological energy.
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SPEAKER_00And actually, I suppose then we don't probably understand everything about stem cells because they're full of surprises. They have cytokins and some biologically active amino acid sequences. And if they are not clearly peptides, but it's something like it, like microproteins.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we we still have a lot to learn about uh the stem cells and how they they act in the skin.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and why they interact with the skin in this way, because for me it's always looks like a magic, because how it's a plant word, and how our human skin understands so good the plant's language.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that that's a that's a mystery. Yeah, and I think because yeah, we are part of the same universe, and uh when there are some energetic connections also, because the plants they vibrate at some specific frequencies also, and we also have cells in the body that vibrates at some frequencies, and frequencies are energies. And Einstein said uh we need to think uh in the world about frequencies and in terms of frequencies and energies. And I think maybe the maybe the answer of this yeah, this communication between vegetable and animal uh can lie in this uh principle of uh energy and vibration.
SPEAKER_00It probably sounds a little bit like you know, different from the people expect in the conversation about cosmetic chemistry and skincare, but I absolutely believe in this shared consciousness of everything in the world and this all these postulates of string theory, right? They are kind of different frequency of vibration which create this music, and so plants are producing music which is translated to us accepting this music or producing music.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. And and and I think many scientists don't already understand that because they forgot some old principle, and I understood that when I studied quantum chemistry, that was my quantum chemistry, it's the most interesting part of the chemistry, I'm sure. Yeah, definitely. And uh my my two favorite topics were organic chemistry and quantum chemistry. This is why at that moment I studied quantum chemistry. I understood that the world is made of frequencies, it's not something mysterious, it's not uh something special between the plants and having energy. It's measured, and it's measured by science, and quantum chemistry is looking at this law that governs the infinitely small. And I think it's uh it's really amazing word to understand this interaction between the different railing vegetal, minerals, human animals, and all this crossed and very complicated interconnectedness between us all.
SPEAKER_00They literally speak about not only about the chemistry and longevity, but about a lot of interesting things, it's difficult to say what will be the key message for our listeners today. Except, okay, you should subscribe to the longevity program of Gian Daniel Bartol, and you should use Medea skincare.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true, too good advice. But yeah, if people need to remember one thing, I think we we've searched for the fountain of youth for many years, and I I think this maybe doesn't exist, but uh I do believe something more powerful exists, and it's the fountain of energy. And everything in our body functions with energy, from our brain to our skin, from our immune system to our muscles to our organs, everything works with energy. So the more we learn to protect and nourish this energy, the happier, the healthier, and the longer we will live. And I think beauty is simply something is a quotation from one of my mentors uh who said that 20 years ago. His name is John Cannas, and he teaches me a lot about not only about business, but also about skincare and therapies. And he says, Beauty is health made visible. And I think I would add beauty is health and vitality made visible, and I think people should remember that uh beauty is just a reflection of you taking care of your health.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's so beautiful! Thank you so much. And I hope all our listeners they will really keep it in mind and will ask themselves the question about everything and including skincare intervention or aesthetic procedures before starting it. Will it replenish my energy? Will it help my health? Or maybe not? And if the answer is negative, maybe you should not do it.
SPEAKER_01You should start with a good product.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you should start with a good product and good energy and keeping longevity and energy in the mind. Thank you so much. It was such a great conversation, really grateful. And finally, we registered this episode. And I suppose that it is not the last one. We have a lot of things to discuss in the future.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, thank you so much, Tina. It was such a privilege to be with you today. Uh, it's such a joy to be uh communicating with you uh every time. Definitely, I hope it's not the last one. Uh, and we can uh continue to do that, and uh I would be happy to help also your your clients if I if I can. So thank you. And I wish you a beautiful day and um may the energy be with you.
SPEAKER_00Oh, thank you. May the energy be with you too. Thank you for joining us today on the Mather Beauty Podcast. If you found this helpful, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an expert skincare team. Have a question or topic you'd like for me to cover? Send me a message at podcast at metherbeauty.com. And let's keep the conversation going. Also, you can visit MetherBeauty.com and discover Mether Skincare which I created. And if you enjoyed the show, I'd love if you left a review. It helps us refine the podcast and keeps us growing. Until next time, stay healthy, stay going, and take care of your skin.
