Is Masculinity Under Attack? Let’s Talk About It

What does it really mean to be a man today—and is masculinity actually under attack?

In this episode, we dive into the conversation around modern masculinity, breaking down what’s changed, what’s being challenged, and why so many men feel confused about their role in today’s world. From the rise of “toxic masculinity” debates to shifting societal expectations, we’re having an honest, unfiltered discussion about what’s real and what’s overblown.

Is masculinity evolving… or being erased? Are men expected to change, or just criticized? And what does healthy masculinity actually look like in 2026?

This is a conversation a lot of people avoid—but we’re not.

🎙️ Topics we cover:

-What masculinity means today

-Toxic masculinity vs healthy masculinity

-Are men being misunderstood?

-Social media’s impact on male identity

-Expectations placed on modern men

💬 Drop your thoughts in the comments—Is masculinity under attack, or just changing?

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Wow. Hey bro, you tripping. I didn't understand. You done just restarted the video, bro. You trooper, bro. Yo, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Oh man. What are we talking about today, man?

SPEAKER_08 0:18

What about it, man? What I do wrong, bro. What I do wrong.

SPEAKER_07 0:32

Welcome back to At Will Podcast. It's me, your host, Antoine Williams, along with my bros.

SPEAKER_04 0:38

What's the deal, man? It's Jay Prior, man. We back in the cut, man. We back with another one. Yes, sir. Yes.

SPEAKER_10 0:43

Yes, sir, man. We back here, man. I'm excited. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_07 0:46

Producer the producer. Nah, what's up, man? Hey, man. How was y'all week, man?

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Man, we just had a good little week, man. From good weather. Then middle of the week. Start raining, start snowing. Yeah, I don't know. It was a bipolar week. Uh overall, though, it was pretty good, though.

SPEAKER_07 1:06

Yeah, yeah. Said bipolar week. It was a bipolar week. Yeah, bipolar week, though. Bipolar, old Michigan, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

Got some stuff done, though. Uh yeah, same old stuff. It was a small week. It wasn't no bad week. Nothing. I ain't got nothing to complain about. Oh yeah. What about you? Oh man, tired, boss.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

He should have been tired.

SPEAKER_07 1:27

Tired, boss, man. Work was crazy this week, but you know. It's gonna be better, I know for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:35

Putting you to work.

SPEAKER_07 1:36

Putting that black man to work. Put that Negro to work, man. Yeah. Nah, man. It was a rough week. It's not rough. It was just busy. Just busy. But other than that, yeah. I'm ready for the next week coming up. So about you, Deucer. Ah man, it wasn't it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. It was alright. Yeah, yeah. Nothing special. Nothing special.

SPEAKER_10 1:59

Nah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:00

Glad y'all had good weeks, man. Hey, man. Well, I mean.

SPEAKER_10 2:04

Like I said, it wasn't bad. I didn't say it was good, but it wasn't bad. You feel me? I bet you was better than mine. You can say that. Okay. I almost died.

SPEAKER_05 2:14

Nah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you yeah, yeah, you did tell me that earlier, man. Yo, man. Yes, man. Nah, bro. Secure to share?

SPEAKER_10 2:23

I mean, I don't care.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Let's share, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 2:26

I was on my way to work Thursday morning.

SPEAKER_07 2:28

Was that an accident?

SPEAKER_10 2:29

By myself. I was driving to work Thursday morning. And I was running a little late, so not gonna lie. I was speeding a little bit. But everything's clear, highways is dry. Next thing you know, it's dark. I can't see much. Get up on. I think I drive over some oil, spin out, like instantly.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Whole car spinning?

SPEAKER_10 2:50

It's just and I'm like, I got like this close to smacking the wall, bro.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Yeah, for the car stopped.

SPEAKER_10 2:57

Nah, like I like I caught it. Oh, you caught control? I caught control, but like it was I ain't gonna say I almost died. That's a little excessive. But I my car would have been total for sure. Man.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

I'm glad that didn't happen, man.

SPEAKER_10 3:11

I'm glad you already so like nah I it was it was a little crazy just because like I wasn't expecting to like drive over anything to just make me spin out offer it.

SPEAKER_04 3:21

But nobody behind you or nothing like that?

SPEAKER_10 3:23

They were, but it was like a good, they're like a good 20 seconds behind me. Dang. So it was a semi stuff too. Oh like I'm looking in the as soon as I caught the caught myself, I was looking in the real mirror, uh, rear view mirror. I'm like, dang, like I got I got away with what I think you lost. Nah, for sure. I had to pull over to the side. I ain't I ain't stopped entirely. I just slowed down, slowed down, was doing like 20 for like a little bit, caught my breath, because like like obviously, like, yeah, yeah, I got scared and then I was like, all right. I said, I think my car is good. I didn't even stop to look at it. I said, I'm gonna just keep going and then kept it.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

That happened to me, too, man. That just happened that fast. I ain't never did a spin out on the car before, like, like where you ain't got no control and the car just spinning, like, that's one of them, you can't do nothing. Like, that's what I was. That's one of the moments where it's like, oh my god, man.

SPEAKER_07 4:13

Yeah, it's in your head, that's it. Facts, man, for real, man.

SPEAKER_10 4:17

So that that played a little part of it. I mean, there's some other stuff that went on, yeah. Uh, but yeah, that that I'm just happy I made it out of that.

SPEAKER_07 4:25

Yeah, we too, man. We got too, shoot, man.

SPEAKER_10 4:28

Cause that was that was just so random, bro.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

It's been happening a lot lately, too. A lot, man. It's been a weather, too, though. For real. That's why I said the weather bipolar, man.

SPEAKER_07 4:37

Yeah, the roads be slick one day, and one week they dry.

SPEAKER_04 4:42

It was really just like 70 degrees Monday. Last night it was like 25 degrees.

SPEAKER_07 4:46

I'm like, Yeah, man. Like, man, where'd the heat go, man? Man, speaking of heat, y'all see bam. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

Man, that was a nice transition. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. Uh yeah, I see I seen the highlights. Uh I remember really watching basketball as much, man. I ain't watched the game neither, but uh the highlights looked nice. They was triple teaming him, but I I felt like the media was kind of like, man, they weren't trying to give him his props. They was kind of mad at him or whatever. Like, I feel like why not? Like, he's breaking records. This is what you playing the playing the league for. I I tell you, he they kept giving him ball or something. We get triple team.

SPEAKER_10 5:26

He did it, but the way he did it is just kind of like unorthodox.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

I didn't watch that. I didn't, I've seen I've seen like the little clips on Instagram, like he getting triple team, he getting sent to the line.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

So they it was like you you have you got this many points, we about to just make sure you get the shit.

SPEAKER_10 5:47

No, no, like don't get me wrong, he had 30 something in the first quarter and had like 40, yeah, 44 at halftime or something like that, 46, 43 at halftime. Like, hey, by all means go for it if you can. But then once he got to that second half and like fourth quarter, they stay, they started doing something.

SPEAKER_04 6:03

Yeah, because they seen what he was trying to do though. I seen like the clips at the end where he was getting tri he was getting triple teamed. Like, yeah, like he got three people on him and they still throwing the ball to him. Right. So I can see that. Like, come on now, y'all just doing the most now.

SPEAKER_07 6:16

But and it was mad that he was in the game at the time, like, man, yo. Yeah, I can go for a record. Not close to it.

SPEAKER_10 6:22

They because they also were blowing him out by 40.

SPEAKER_04 6:24

Oh, yes. Yeah, okay. They ain't had no mercy there. Yeah, okay, I can see that.

SPEAKER_10 6:28

Yeah, and then the people who who really compare it to Kobe's, Kobe was they was like, Kobe was down by 20, and he was willing his team to come back against Toronto.

SPEAKER_07 6:39

I do remember that game. The 81. Yeah, they was like, and he what Bam shot like 40 free throws? 43.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Oh, yeah, that's a lot of free throws.

SPEAKER_07 6:47

He shot 43.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

Oh my goodness. 43 free throws. Uh but man. Oh, they was falling out there for sure. But was they at home? Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. He had a lot of L1s too, though.

SPEAKER_07 6:58

Like, but he did shoot.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

I ain't gonna lie, that's a lot of numbers for his.

SPEAKER_10 7:03

Compared to everybody else who's been up there in points, like 70 plus points, he shot more than half the free throws that they were shooting to make it that far. Yeah. I mean, like, I'm not I'm not discrediting him, but just how it happened was like, all right, now like, you know, but me neither, man. It was definitely an impressive feat for sure.

SPEAKER_07 7:24

But shout out to Bam, man. Yeah, he made histories. Now he goes Wilt, Bam, and Kobe. That don't even sound right, bro.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

It's meant to be broken though, man. That's what it's what it's for is.

SPEAKER_10 7:37

Man, Wilson ain't never gonna happen because they ain't never seen it happen. They ain't got no proof of that game happening. You one of those guys, huh?

SPEAKER_07 7:43

You one of those guys.

SPEAKER_10 7:44

They got they got game footage in every other game he got except for that one, huh?

SPEAKER_05 7:48

It was back in the 60s.

SPEAKER_10 7:50

Even the ones before that, they got game footage, except for that one.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

You know how Corey gets Corey ain't Corey for man, yo, it was in the 60s.

SPEAKER_05 8:04

Was every game televised in the 60s?

SPEAKER_10 8:06

It don't matter, bro. It ain't gotta be televised, it just gotta be recorded.

SPEAKER_07 8:11

It was they got stat line, don't they?

SPEAKER_10 8:15

Can't nobody recall that game being there.

SPEAKER_07 8:18

Man, whatever, man. Hey, shout out to you, though, Bam, man. Hey, congratulations. Man, shout out to Bam. Yeah, man. Hey, you number two on all time. Well, most points in the game. So 83. That's the new record of beat. Hey, Kobe needs to come back from the dead and get that, bro.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Wow, man. Hey, bro, you tripping, bro.

SPEAKER_03 8:41

I damn near tell you to just restart the video, bro. You tripping, bro. What you on? Wow. Yo, man.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_06 8:49

Definitely about the kid.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

What are we talking about today, man, man?

SPEAKER_08 8:55

What I do wrong, bro. What I do wrong. I said come back from the dead so you can get his record back, man. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

Yo, man, it's only one come back from the dead like that, man.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

You still egging it on, man.

SPEAKER_05 9:07

Oh man.

SPEAKER_07 9:09

Yeah, man. This dude is wild, man. Hey, man. Hey, sure. Shout out to Bell, man. That's the double-A. We know that March Madness time, so you know. Man, yeah, hey. Give y'all your props this year, man.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah, man. We might as well just get some yellow and uh blue in here.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

None of that up in here, man. Yellow and blue up in here, man. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna try to do some little shopping. I can put something in my little area. I feel like this is my little area. You can give you that area over there.

SPEAKER_08 9:41

I feel like the yellow area. Whatever, man. Whatever. Absolutely not. I can't get the little drink. Nah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 10:03

I'm not, bro. This is my little city.

SPEAKER_08 10:05

This is your seat.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

This ain't gonna be a young cutoff.

SPEAKER_10 10:10

This is a collective studio.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

So what if I just get what if one day y'all came here and I just had it's gonna be taken down.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Man, it's serious, man. This is serious. Okay. Okay. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_10 10:29

We can't do that, man.

SPEAKER_04 10:30

This is serious.

SPEAKER_10 10:31

We can't do that, man.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

Stage is lost twice, man. Like, what is they doing?

SPEAKER_07 10:36

No, man. Boys ain't like it's not normal. We good. It's becoming normal. We good. It's not normal. It's becoming normal. We good. It's becoming normal. Next year.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Oh yeah, I gotta get you in. Why do you keep saying next year after next year after next year? This is said that with football. Yeah, next year it's gonna be better. We're gonna be good.

SPEAKER_07 10:56

We good. Yeah, we're gonna be yeah, man. Hey man, Corey's a celebrity when we go to Missy State, though. What you talking about? Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

I guarantee he is.

SPEAKER_07 11:11

Shout out to man.

SPEAKER_10 11:13

And no, man, shout out to uh Rockford, you know, today beating East Lansing in the state final, division one state final. Also, big shout out to Concord, you know, Concord area, you know.

SPEAKER_07 11:23

Hey, I just learned something. That's the first championship in Jackson County since 1966 or something. Yo, that's big. Yeah, that's a huge Concord. So yeah. The basketball, let me at least basketball wise, let me say that. So yeah. Man, but yeah. Man, today, man, we're just gonna chop it up about some uh you know what I'm saying, some manhood, you know, just talking about manhood, things that we lack, things that we can improve on, things uh, you know, manhood of today versus yesterday. And you know, just how we can enhance it, man. So, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Oh, so we just giving out free game. We give it on free game, man. Giving our free game, man. Y'all better tap in, man.

SPEAKER_10 12:10

I mean, unless we make like a Patreon and y'all just, you know, tap into that, you know, whatever. Hey, man. Hey, yes, to hear our dive into that. I'm messing, nah, nah, not yet, not yet. I'm just messing with it.

SPEAKER_07 12:21

Baby steps, you're right.

SPEAKER_10 12:23

But y'all wanna hear our input? Pay for it. You feel me? Giving out free game, though. No, for real, though.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

For real, though.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

For real though, we can do that.

SPEAKER_07 12:35

Hey. All right, y'all say the word. We got it. He's supposed to have the script already, but he don't.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

Hey man. Yep. You suppose Twan. You sp you supposed to have the script right now, bro. I ain't gonna lie, bro. But go ahead. I'm waiting on you. Nah, man. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 12:51

Hey man, we tell the show. Nah, man. All right. State of manhood today, man. Where do y'all see it at? Like, is it is it is it like uh let me see, let me word it right. Is today manhood or masculinity is it in jeopardy or is it more is it more secure, is it stronger, is it is there improvement?

SPEAKER_04 13:23

How do you see it? Is you saying like as far as like relationships or just like just yourself?

SPEAKER_07 13:29

We'll get to the relationship part, but just in general, just in general, as men, as young men, young men today, how do you see what is their progress today compared to men of like even my age and older?

SPEAKER_04 13:44

Like how so you're relating the younger ones to older?

SPEAKER_07 13:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

Uh uh What's the state?

SPEAKER_07 13:51

I mean where where you see it at tough one, man. I mean, you know, we we all well, I I mean I represent a different generation from y'all, so you you know, so we go all we can speak on different you know levels.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

Yeah, so I would say it's a whole different That's a tough one, man. I can't speak for everybody, but you speak for yourself.

SPEAKER_07 14:20

Represent your generation.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

I mean, yeah, masculinity, yeah. We're gonna lay that out. Go ahead. Go ahead, you start around. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 14:33

Man, we lost it. I can't speak for everybody else. We lost it. You said we lost it? We lost it. You all lost it? Yeah. We lost it as men, I'm gonna say because we all men, bro. I mean, explain, explain.

SPEAKER_10 14:46

Um it's just it's like, I mean, don't get me wrong, the way of living is a little bit different now. Yeah. But it's like just the way we go about things, we so soft now. Like, like that, that aspect of masculinity is just not there.

SPEAKER_07 15:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 15:04

Another like actual factual thing is just because we ain't got no testosterone in our bodies no more, bro. It's like I'm being so serious.

SPEAKER_07 15:13

That is true, though.

SPEAKER_10 15:14

I'm being so like in almost all the food that we eat, they're pumping estrogen in it. So, like, that's just being like real. Like, we don't have any testosterone in our body because they're pumping estrogen in our bodies. That's just what it is. Because the FDA in America is twisted. That's just what it is. So, like, if you want to be real speaking, I mean, I that's the factual part of it. I mean, I just I don't know. Just the way we go about things now.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

Yeah, I can pick up to what he's talking about. Kind of, I might not be on the same page as you can. It might be different, but yeah, I probably I I can agree with that a little bit by saying that younger generation, instead of backing your maybe back in your generation, everybody, you know, pick up the gloves, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, fight.

SPEAKER_07 15:55

We did.

SPEAKER_04 15:55

Yeah, they picking up them blicks, you know what I mean? Like they so I can I can see like the and then yeah, fool is taking it definitely. Fool plays a big factor in your health and fool and how you think and how you act, all that it definitely does. So yeah.

SPEAKER_10 16:09

No, but for that's what I was going at for real. Yeah. Just because like let's say back in the good old days of Antoine, because you know he lived like 25 years ago as an adult. Oh wow. So I'm asking.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Oh yeah. He just threw some years, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 16:29

Nah, but like, nah, for real. Uh but with that though, like, let's say, let's say that aspect. If you had a problem with somebody, you gonna you gonna duke it out, and that's it. Yeah. Y'all ain't gonna be beefing no more after that. And now it's like just because you got your feelings hurt, people are gonna wanna try to end your life because they feelings got hurt. I'm like, bro, you really throw your whole life away just to get two seconds of satisfaction.

SPEAKER_07 16:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 16:51

So I I can't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 16:54

And then I can say for my era, like, man, we we're not necessarily that we we're kind of responsible for it as well. Like, uh, shout out to Mel. I mean, me, when we were talking one day, I think Corey was with us one time. We're our generation is like the bridge. You know, we like to bridge uh generation. We bridge from the old, the old, old, from the, you know, the older guys from me, the OGs from me. And we're now the OGs as you guys, but we started some of the trends, like it was some of the guys from our area that started going to get the blink, you know what I'm saying, that they couldn't take the L, you know what I'm saying? They couldn't sit out there and defend themselves or then like, you know, dealing with that humility of losing, you know, losing a battle. You know what I mean? So, or just or being rejected, you know, or you know, just you know, just couldn't defend themselves, you know what I'm saying? Or, you know, so I think um and I can speak for like I think uh not a lot of people, but a lot of people who suffer like me who had to deal with no father, with our father not being at home, you know what I'm saying? That kind of dealt with a lot of some of the issues as well. So but I think I can see for this generation coming up, I say I I'm kind of proud of some of the younger fathers because I see them stepping in and being fathers, you know, step stepping up and you know, just uh taking on the mantle that they wasn't passed down to them from some already past trauma. So I mean, but yeah, and then food for sure. I mean, we talk about that. I'm an example from both sides. I mean, when I was young, I was eat I it's crazy because when I was young, I ate a lot healthier. It's crazy. But then when I got older, I got I got married, not blaming it on my marriage. I just got too comfortable in my marriage. I settled. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 18:58

So hey, that's that relationship weight, bro.

SPEAKER_07 19:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all on me. It wasn't like I said, no, no, no, not towards the marriage. It wasn't their her fault or whatever. It was just like me. I just got comf I got comfortable.

SPEAKER_10 19:11

I'd say one thing with that though, just just to add to that. With a lot of relationships now, people gain weight in their relationships because they get too comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 19:20

It's like both sides, both sides. It's not just one side or the other. But it's like they get together, they get comfortable with how they do, so they stop trying, they stop trying to work out, they stop eating good. They all the stuff that they were doing to impress the other person, now that they got them, they stopped that because oh, I'm with them anyways. Yeah. So then people start wondering why their level of attraction is dropping to their partner, and that while that partner not looking at them the same way that they used to, yeah, all just because they got too comfortable. It's like, nah, bro, like you should want to be able to be on your P's and Q's for your person at all times. So, like, that's just I just have to throw that out. No, no, no, that's good because as a man.

SPEAKER_04 20:01

That plays a big that plays a big factor for real does. Yeah. And it makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_10 20:06

Yeah. Yeah, you just can't get too comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 20:08

Just like that, you definitely can't get too comfortable at all, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 20:12

We hold women accountable today. Like, dang. Hey, what what future say? Don't get too comfortable.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

I'm for sure what you say, too. I ain't gonna lie, I'm about to burn it out.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

Don't get too comfortable. Yeah, don't get too comfortable for real. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:32

No, man.

SPEAKER_07 20:33

But yeah, I mean, my badges, I just think that's my life. Keep going, keep going. That kind of leads into like, like, man, next question, like, okay, let's let's let's touch on the relationship side. Like masculinity with men in a relationship. I think that is, you know, coming along, coming about.

SPEAKER_04 20:51

I mean, masculinity and relationship, you know what I mean? If we if we're talking about the same thing, like as the man leading, you know what I mean? Is that what we're talking about?

SPEAKER_10 20:59

Kind of like the roles? Like the like the roles. Yeah, that's right. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

So yeah, like all on us. We all up. So yeah, I'll feel, you know what I mean? Take it back to yeah, the man, the man's supposed to lead, the man's supposed to wear the pants, you're supposed to be in charge. Not in charge, but you know what I mean? But like.

SPEAKER_10 21:16

You're supposed to lead.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

You're supposed to lead, you know what I mean? You're supposed to take care of your woman, you know what I mean? Be her protector, stuff like that. So, but it's different now. Like Corey said, times it's different now. It's a lot of I don't think I want to dive that way. Let me see. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

Come on, man. We banned it up today, man. We made it up today. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 21:37

I would say, yeah, in this time and age, I don't know. I don't know if it's the same, really. It's cause it's a lot of independent women out there that, you know what I mean, that they they they might want to leave the city. You know, I mean, not lead, but they might not want nobody telling them what to do, especially what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_10 21:54

But then on the on the flip side, there's a lot of men that's dependent on that woman too.

SPEAKER_04 21:58

Yeah. Yes, it's It's a lot of yeah, it's a lot of back and forth. It really, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:03

But so okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

But it's affected by the man.

SPEAKER_07 22:06

Thank you. Go ahead, man.

SPEAKER_04 22:08

It's just it's this time and time and day. Like this this time in the world that's going on right now. I feel like it's a lot of women that don't want to hear what anybody else got to say.

SPEAKER_07 22:18

Yeah, yeah. And they've been raised to not not depend on a man.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

Which is nothing wrong with that. You know what I mean? Some good independent women, but like, you know what I mean? We talk about relationship.

SPEAKER_07 22:27

When you're in a relationship, like you want your man to be a man, you got to let him be a man. And then, but men, we have to step up and be that man. And I I I'm guilty, like I said, I'm being the experienced one on this uh in this you know studio. Yeah, I experienced on both sides. It was times in my relationship. I knew I wasn't stepping up as a man and being the man.

SPEAKER_04 22:51

So do you feel like so? So I'm in this room. Will we take that as disrespect?

SPEAKER_07 23:00

Well, when they don't, when we when you not, I don't know, like not when you not able to say what you want.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

I don't know. It's what am I looking for?

SPEAKER_07 23:12

So you basically said is it disrespect when we don't get what the uh reception of being the man uh say I can guess you can say that I guess you can say that, but I can't. I mean it is disrespect, but we cause it on us. We we gotta take accountability on in our role a little bit. I think. That's my perspective sometimes. But I mean, sometimes, and also what you think, Corey, on the ad?

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Masculinity side of like interrelationship. What you think, Corey? Let me get you all.

SPEAKER_10 23:49

Uh I I would say um it's a little bit different. Like, you still got a lot of men out here, like, because I know what we're comparing it to is more so the traditional style. Yeah. Just because that's what we kind of came up on.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Yeah, do you feel like that's the wrong way? Is the traditional style though?

SPEAKER_10 24:07

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say it's right or wrong. That's just what we that's what we knew. Yeah, uh but but now in today's time, it's more of a you're still you're providing in certain ways, and she got you in others.

SPEAKER_07 24:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 24:22

Um, but with that, it's like it's kind of getting closer to here, yeah. Where you guys are taking control of different aspects of your relationship for like, man, you're supposed to lead. That don't, that don't mean you gotta literally say, come on, follow me wherever you're gonna be. Right, right. Yeah, it ain't always. Like you protecting her peace. So um, I mean, this it's it's different roles with that, like, but at the same time, I I think there are gender roles, yes. Yeah, some of them can cross over, yes, some can cross over. Like, okay, like let's say if a man's a good cook, a man can cook. He don't have to rely on his woman to cook. You feel me? And then, like, if he's a more cleanly person than she is, he can pick up the house too. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, if y'all both go on to work all day, y'all both can share these responsibilities. Yeah, uh, but I'm it's kind of tough as when you say as far as as uh in a relationship, because masculinity, like there's that's that's it's levels, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

There's definitely levels to it, there's definitely levels different, is it's different people, different people, like yeah.

SPEAKER_10 26:02

I said there's definitely levels, but then there is some other things where it's like don't get it confused. Yeah, like you still are the man in the relationship. Yeah. That's I probably should try to come up with examples of that, but like there is trying to do this.

SPEAKER_07 26:20

Okay, say, okay. So being like a high value man and a woman. Here we go.

SPEAKER_10 26:30

Nah, nah, nah, nah, no.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

Come here, finish, finish. Let me hear this.

SPEAKER_10 26:34

This is the high the high value man. Are we supposed to do that?

SPEAKER_06 26:38

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_07 26:40

That trick is so little right now. That trick is so sorry, ladies. No, I just said I know, yeah. So, okay, so being a man. Alright, and some women feel like this is gonna get us in trouble, but we we don't. It's gonna get you in trouble. We there, man, whatever, man. Y'all with me, man. No, but uh okay. Some women come, not I mean, I said all women, and y'all women, y'all know some of them that do that. They come with all they hey you know, what they have, what they look. So it's like uh they feel like all they have how much I say this. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

I think I know where you're going. So I think you know where you're going.

SPEAKER_07 27:24

Basically, like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

They know they, you know what I mean, they know they fine, they, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 27:30

Like they Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They hair blows. But that's and they feel like that's all they need to bring. As a man, and they feel like, okay. They feel like you you as a man, you're supposed to just take care of that. I mean, because I've been, like I said, being an experienced one, been approaching this.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Oh, so you on the topic of the baddie tip. That's what you on. Okay, so you find you find you a little baddie or something.

SPEAKER_07 27:58

Y'all call them, we call them baddie now. Back in the day, we used to call them gold diggers. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 28:04

Am I telling the truth? So, okay, let me let me bring it down. Let me bring it down.

SPEAKER_09 28:10

Nah, bruh. He said we used to call them gold diggers.

SPEAKER_04 28:14

That's what they were. Okay, so you going on the topic of like where she coming with just her looks, and you know what I mean? You want this girl because you know what I mean. Unless you spending that dollar. That's you know, that's why I said it's different type, it's different type of females. So I mean, not female, let me say woman. All right, man. Different type of woman out there, but uh yeah, some of them that go like that, you know what I mean? Especially if you're not, you know what I mean, if they don't think that you you are on their level, yeah. Some people that'll do that type of thing. Like, yeah, he got he gotta he gotta he gotta show me and as a respect. He gotta show me that he he can have my time. You know what I mean? And that you know, showing showing your time nowadays is spending that dollar, going out to do something.

SPEAKER_07 29:00

Yeah. So do you feel like as a as a respectable man, and you deny that type of woman, I mean, I mean, do you feel wrong for doing that?

SPEAKER_04 29:11

I mean, if you if you if you leading, the man is leading it, you gotta, you have at first I feel like you gotta throw that out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

Not saying you gotta lead with your wallet or nothing. No, but you how you gotta you gotta throw that out there.

SPEAKER_07 29:23

How is that? Is that and that's the first impression that she gets, like, uh that's the only that's the only way she'll give you her, you know.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

It depends on how it goes. If you reaching out to her and you attacking her and you pursuing her, if you're pursuing her, yes, I feel like you gotta start off with that. Yes. Yes, not saying you gotta just go spin a bag, but I'm saying, like, if you're pursuing her and you just not mean her, yes, I feel like that's how you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_07 29:47

So, what's the best way as a man you can approach a woman and she know that you that's how you how you carry yourself without you saying that? Like, basically, you just approach her, you know. Hey, how you doing? My name is so and so. Yeah, you can play calm like that, you can play humble like that for sure, depending on.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

But she don't read into that until she you gonna you're gonna figure out the vibe off rip, you know what I mean? You're gonna fill out, you're gonna fill out the vibe off rip and see what's going on. You feel me? Just off first impression, see what's going on. If if the vibe is, you know, in the room, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 30:21

Some men is blighted, some men all they would see is that.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

Yeah, it is that, you know what I mean? But if you just seeing that and you're not getting that vibe, like somebody told me, shout out her. She said, read the room, knowing to read the room, it makes sense a lot, though. I ain't gonna lie. So if you if you're not getting that same vibe from that person, you feel me? Get the stepping, and you know that, yeah, and you're still pursuing, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 30:46

You just wasting your time, bro.

SPEAKER_04 30:48

She might be wasting your time. Yeah, you wasting your time. But what does that say? At the same time, though, if you pursuing her, you gotta leave with your wallet if she wants you to do that. But if not, if she's not that type of person, she might just want to meet you and just, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 31:00

And she might and as man, we know we're good, we're the providers. You gotta see that in front. Yeah, yeah. That's uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 31:07

I mean, cut you off my bat.

SPEAKER_07 31:09

No, no, you could.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

No, what was you about to you about to say so?

SPEAKER_10 31:12

No, no, no, I was just adding it.

SPEAKER_04 31:13

Oh, so you said what is it like in the masculine? What was you about to say?

SPEAKER_07 31:17

Oh, uh, what was I about to say? Yeah, I know it's like this. Okay, so how did I proceed? Like, if a man that's chasing that, you know, that that coke body. You know what I'm saying? He he like he and he he don't he don't see how she just like all about hey, she just using dudes. He just won't he just won't what he see. You know what I'm saying? Does that does that devalue your masculinity or does that, you mean so what type of dude you is, man.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

I ain't gonna lie. It depends on what type of dude you is. I mean, if you know what you're doing, you know what you're doing. But if you letting her just string you along and you just spinning that paint, like it depends.

SPEAKER_04 32:02

It really depends. Like everybody got their own preference, but if he chasing her, you must like some he chasing. So I mean.

SPEAKER_07 32:09

But does that devalue your masculinity or a man?

SPEAKER_04 32:13

I say if if I say I'd say I don't think so. It depends. It depends if you get if it's if you're getting played.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

I mean, if you getting played, you getting played, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

But not everybody like man, no, you a stupid.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

I don't know, man. It depends on it depends on how how far you're going. Depends on how far you're going, for real.

SPEAKER_05 32:33

Yeah. Hey man, you don't.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

I don't know, man. It depends on how far you're going, man. If you just taking out on a date, you know what I mean? Y'all hanging out, you spending some money, you getting some more time. But if she's like telling you, like, you have to do this just for me to come around and yeah, use a goofy. I'm sorry. Women ain't gonna just come out of the table. They're not gonna say it's some that will though, but you gotta be able to catch them type of signs, though. Like they go, catch them, they catch them type of signs, like yeah, you know what I mean. Uh y'all talking about something totally different, and basically you leave with your wallet, she wants you to just spin some bread. Like, as like as for instance, like, I need my hair done, or yeah, you know what I mean? You just said nothing about the head. I need my hair done. You know what I mean? Hold on, what you mean, or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Like, all right, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

I don't know. It's it's like signs. I can't I can't think of the signs right now, but it's certain signs that that women throw out that might not be interested in you, but know you got a little money and want you to spend that money just to get that time. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 33:42

It could be I need my hair done and get flirty, they get a little they body language changed, you know.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

I seen this new outfit online. Ooh. Yeah, yeah. Throwing them signs out there, I'm trying to tell you, but it's something that is bold that it just I know, I know. See, you supposed to have a script. I know I know how to get out of there. You're supposed to put me on game. I ain't got you. I'm gonna put you on game, man. It might be too late.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

So now I saw how many.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

He sneaky, man. So let me ask you a question.

SPEAKER_07 34:24

So have you ever have you been in that situation where you just nah, nah, because I'm I'm not type, I only spend more money on.

SPEAKER_04 34:32

No, I'm saying though, like we're I'm not saying where you spent your money or something like that, but I'm saying like where somebody tried to, you know, like tried to get you to do because I done had that situation too. Oh, I done had that situation where I'm like, Yeah, she think I'm about to blow the bat, she thinks I'm about to do this, I barely even know her. Why would I? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, I done had that situation before. Oh, yeah, I had that before. Yeah, that's dead. Don't do that out there.

SPEAKER_07 34:54

You're goofy if you do that. Yeah, nah, dah, dah. Yeah. And they're gonna dog you just because they can get their way. But no, let's not put this on the women. Sorry, ladies. No, it's not on them. It's not on them. No, we're talking about the men.

SPEAKER_10 35:07

No, no, I'm saying, even when he's saying it's not on them. Like if they like that, they like that, but you stupid for going for it. Yeah, man. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 35:13

We're talking about the men to go for that, yeah. Speaking of, uh, so what'd I say? Uh like okay. Our men, I mean, what what what are dang, I write this right, but the decision making is stressful moments. Like, I mean, how are we today making better decisions uh today? Like, or is it uh I mean, is it coming from are did men make better decisions back then or are we making them better today?

SPEAKER_10 35:51

I think we're more aggressive now in our decisions. I would say back then a lot of men were more conservative. Um you think so? I would say so.

SPEAKER_07 36:09

Or was it because uh tradition, like we said tradition back in the day, a lot of women just I heard the man say so they just went with whatever he said I feel like I agree with Corey though.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

I don't I don't really know how to explain it. It's probably a little aggressive now. I feel like it's aggressive now, it's because you can you can kind of like get in contact with anybody through anything, you know what I mean? So you see something that's fine, you know you can you can attack like that. Like, I don't know, you can attack like that. Like you just get access. It's like you can get access to anything nowadays, I ain't gonna lie. Like any person that you might not have seen. So like I feel like what you're trying to say is like back then, like when you just had to walk up and talk to somebody or something.

SPEAKER_07 36:51

Well, I'm just talking about this decision making in general. Decision making just in general. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:58

I said I was like relation thing.

SPEAKER_10 37:02

Okay, I would say I would say yes men now are more aggressive. Yeah. And yes, you can bring the relational side of that also, but I want to say even on the work side of things, yeah, um, a lot of men are being more aggressive with their decisions because they want to make it to a certain point. Yeah. While back then a lot of men, all they cared about was just providing for their families.

unknown 37:24

Right.

SPEAKER_10 37:24

And a basic nine-to-five job could do that for them.

SPEAKER_07 37:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 37:28

Just because the wages and like inflation and all that was straight. So they could do that. Economy was a little better back then. Yeah. So like, so like they could do that based off of their income. So they could they could do that and be satisfied, I guess you could say. Like a lot of men, they worked all the time. Right, right. Because women didn't work. Well, like some women didn't work. But I say now men are being more aggressive with their decision because they're trying to make it to a point so they can feel like they are becoming successful. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

I agree with that. I agree with that for sure.

SPEAKER_10 38:02

That's just more like the work side of things. I mean, I can say even when you're talking on the relational side of things or pursuing or pursuing relationships, men are are really aggressive when it comes to pursuing women now, just because you have access to a lot of women being like social media.

SPEAKER_08 38:26

I don't know. I'll rebuttal.

SPEAKER_04 38:29

I agree with that, man. You my options are my algorithm be crazy. Yeah, the options, the options.

SPEAKER_10 38:38

I'm saying, like, so like you can be more well, you can be more aggressive when it comes to that because it's like, all right, if she ain't going, I can just go to the next person.

SPEAKER_07 38:45

We got more options, yes. Yes. But I think the women are more aggressive now. I mean in the chase.

SPEAKER_04 38:53

Nah, bro. Nah. Nah. I ain't feeling that at all.

SPEAKER_10 38:58

Nah. I ain't gonna say that.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

I feel like it depends, it depends on the age range for sure. Like probably, probably, probably older, probably, yeah, because they, you know what I mean? They want to, you know, find somebody probably had it, you know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 39:10

Nah, I wouldn't say I would well, yes, with that. But I would say once once they start getting to a certain range, let's say they already had a baby, maybe two, but they get into the the age range.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

Yeah, where they're trying to settle down, they're trying to get it.

SPEAKER_10 39:23

They know for a fact they gotta settle down like and try to get married or something. Yeah, I would say they're a lot more picky, yes. Yeah, but then also um they're picky, but they're not gonna just like, I don't really know how to put this. Like, a mother gonna go on and go into protective instincts. Like, you're not gonna just bring some random dude around their kids, you feel me? So like they can be aggressive on that, too. Like, they're gonna be aggressive in that as but aspect, but like it's only a certain breeding men who really be, you know, like once you get to a certain age point, I guess you can say.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 40:04

Like, I don't really know how to put this. But I know I know what I'm thinking, but I can I don't know how to I don't know how to put it into words.

SPEAKER_04 40:10

But no, I know what you I know what you mean though, but on the it's definitely age range thing for sure. But probably, yeah, probably around my age, no, I don't think they I don't think they no, I don't think they're aggressive.

SPEAKER_10 40:21

No, I think they I think they on that I would say I was I would say years ago, they were more aggressive than what they are now.

SPEAKER_07 40:31

They still think so Yeah, that's y'all talking about my time.

SPEAKER_10 40:37

Even before that. Oh, you're talking about before me. I think I think women were women was more aggressive. I think women win women have toned it down a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 40:47

Oh no, man. Do you think the women before okay, before all of our time was more aggressive?

SPEAKER_10 40:57

And in the chase? I'm yes. In the chase, yes, the women were. Yes. I would say so.

SPEAKER_04 41:06

I don't really say going back to what you said before back in the old days, like how they the tradition was is the American dream is to have uh a family, kids, and a house and a job and all that type of thing. I would say back then, I would say the man was more aggressive because that's what that was your job. That was your that was like your goal or something like that. That's what you had to do, you know what I mean? So I feel like a lot of people followed that.

SPEAKER_07 41:32

But and I would say even, yeah. I guess even with us, because like back in the day, we had to go, we had to go ask for numbers. I don't know. I don't know how I I don't I know I know y'all about what 10, 16 from my stuff. Still the same thing, bro. Still the same thing.

SPEAKER_10 41:51

The men still have to chase regardless to pursue how you do it is different now, but like let's say let's say you out and about though, but you at like the club or something. Let's just let's just say the club, for example. Okay, you're not gonna you're gonna have to still ask for either a social media so you can talk to them or a number or something. Like you still gonna have to do that. You just gotta be crazy. Hey, let me get your Instagram.

SPEAKER_07 42:13

Like, man.

SPEAKER_10 42:14

Hey, it be like that though.

SPEAKER_07 42:16

But as the older guy, so you say, hey man, yeah, go ahead. Hey, let me get your math. You know, the only reason, look, I say even your math. What's that? Your numbers. Oh, he said math.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

Oh, okay, okay. I ain't okay, all right. That's how y'all use it. Yeah, man. It's times have changed.

SPEAKER_10 42:35

Let me get them digits. No, man. Nah, but I say, like, even now, like, there's there's certain ways that you should be you should go about asking a woman for for their whatever way to contact them. Yeah. If you just met them, sometimes asking for their number might be a little too.

SPEAKER_07 42:51

That's too aggressive. That's too aggressive. Yeah. Alright. Unless you know the unless you nah, but it depends.

SPEAKER_10 42:57

You gotta you gotta read them fast.

SPEAKER_07 42:59

Y'all was y'all's friends.

SPEAKER_10 43:01

I was friends before.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Oh, he's saying you just met this person. Just met this person. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 43:05

You gotta you gotta read that person and how they're going for it.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

That's why I said it's that that's the read the room. It may it makes sense because you know what I mean. You having that little small talk, you just now meet somebody, you gotta see it. Is they smiling back at you? Is they looking at you crazy?

SPEAKER_07 43:18

You got you gotta know that something once the vibe is hitting there, yeah. You can't just come out and do it.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

So you're saying women are sometimes can be more aggressive. Have you ever had one just come up to you? So you just just ain't never met, ain't never met, just come up to you, talk casual.

SPEAKER_07 43:32

And I had one come up to me at work. She said, You are very handsome. And she gave me her number. She's like, Here's my number. How old is she?

SPEAKER_04 43:39

So do you do you like women like that more than women that you have to chase?

SPEAKER_10 43:44

Hey, I ain't gonna look, I ain't gonna hold you.

SPEAKER_04 43:46

Which one you like better?

SPEAKER_10 43:47

I ain't gonna hold you like a woman, a woman that know what they want, you feel me? That's that do something a little bit different.

SPEAKER_05 43:53

Yeah, you you gotta respect you out of it, yeah. You gotta respect you. You gotta respect it. She got you.

SPEAKER_07 44:00

That is big. You're right.

SPEAKER_10 44:02

Because you know how often that doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 44:06

Yes, because everybody assumes that the man is supposed to do that. That's right. So when the when the woman do that, it hit a little different. It hit a little different. It hit a little different.

SPEAKER_05 44:16

So y'all, you you would prefer that? I mean, obviously, like obviously. Okay, which option do y'all like better? Let me get both. Go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 44:26

I don't want people to take this wrong way. Two baddies.

SPEAKER_05 44:28

I don't want I don't want to rule.

SPEAKER_07 44:30

You like both of them. You just sculpt them out in the club or club rule or wherever. We on vacation. Two baddies. We see them at the bar. And you like, dang, man. Ooh, man, which one? And the one that's aggressive come up to you. And the one that's passive just stay laid back. Which one? I mean, yeah. She'll come to YouTube court.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

She attacked me. I'm I'm gone.

SPEAKER_05 44:58

You give it in? Come on, man.

SPEAKER_09 45:01

Dog.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

No, I uh I feel like everybody takes it a different way, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Like, yeah, it hit a little it hit a little different when a female comes to you. Yeah, yeah, I'm supposed to chase, yeah, I'm supposed to leave, all that type of stuff. But yeah, but if a if a woman come up to me, just like what Corey said, she knows what she wants. I might want her too. That might be a little just motivation for me. All right, that might just be a little motivation motivation for me to just, all right, I'm really about to just attack. Nah. Yeah, you know what I mean? But I like what I like. What about you, Corey?

SPEAKER_10 45:32

I know you, I know you, I know you say the say the question again. All right.

SPEAKER_05 45:38

He said two baddies walk up to you, right? Hey, come on, hey, hey. I want to be sure. We on vacation. We on vacation. Two baddies at the bar. Go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 45:59

Two baddies stay at the bar. They both scope you out, they both into you. You got one that's aggressive and one that's passive. The one that's aggressive, do her job, come and approach you. Or the one that's passive, stay at the bar, just before you listen.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

Let me refer to you. You you you're not saying nothing like is it is one better looking at the let me finish the question.

SPEAKER_07 46:30

I think option, which I want to say option. I think I know you're talking about. What's your problem?

SPEAKER_10 46:36

Two women looking at you like they they obviously eye on you. One comes up to you, one of the shot, yeah, but the other one's doing all the flirting and all the other stuff just with her eyes. Okay, yeah, I kind of picked up a nigga say just with her eyes, like you know she wants you to come up and talk to her niggas.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Okay, give me time.

SPEAKER_07 46:56

If he come and talk, I'm gonna give him time. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. But the one come up, that's a girl's like, nah, that's I want that.

SPEAKER_10 47:05

Hey, I'm gonna say this though, because I'm gonna just answer your question. Because I think you know Which option do you prefer? I'm right there in that, in that, in that sense, I'm going with the conservative one. Okay, okay. Like, just because it's like I can see, I can see both, right? But it's gonna throw me off so much that the one get the one comes up to shoot their shot. It's gonna throw me off so much. Yeah, that I would rather I would rather take my chances and say something with the quiet one, I guess you could say, yeah, than the one that comes up mad aggressive, because the way that you said that, I'm just thinking about a straight New Yorker, a woman that just A B your AOB, like you know, coming up on some mad aggressive stuff, something.

SPEAKER_05 47:46

I like you.

unknown 47:47

I think you're cute.

SPEAKER_10 47:50

That's just what that popped up in my head. So I would I would rather do the conservative in that sense.

SPEAKER_04 47:56

But like, but like so what if they what if they friends and they've been talking? They're saying they do. Okay, so what if you come up to her and she like my friend, the one that wants you? She's the one that came up to you. No, but they both like they like, ooh, okay. So yeah, I would go with the conservative one too, because it'd definitely throw me off because it doesn't happen often. That doesn't happen. I'm not the woman coming up to you, just she you know what I mean, and you can peep that type of stuff. Like when you see somebody looking at you and you y'all keep locking eyes, you you know what I mean? Y'all keep locking up to each other, you see. They smirking at you and all that. You can peep that type of stuff, you know what I mean. So she's just locking eyes because she sees you locking eyes. No, you can you know, yeah, you know, you you can you could tell you I done I done had it like where they look you down in your eyes and then look you all the way up and down.

SPEAKER_10 48:42

Hey, for real now, man.

SPEAKER_04 48:49

You know, you know, I would be thrown off though a little bit. I could definitely agree with that. I'd be thrown off a little bit because you wouldn't be expecting it. I would unless you, unless you, you know what I mean. If she comes up to you, she knows she won't.

SPEAKER_10 49:00

Yeah, facts, yeah. I would say this though she could be a little crazy. No, the thing Hey, I would say this though. It depends, it depends on how she approaches you.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

She could be a little crazy, too. Oh, for real, man. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_10 49:16

Hey, Twan, but I say I say it depends on how she approaches you. If she approaches you on something like I want you right now, da da da. I'm like, you feel me? And I was like, nah, bro, I ain't gonna do it. But no, but like, but if she if she comes up on some like, let's say, let's say aggressive is not a great word, but let's say she comes up to you, she has the confidence, she has the confidence to come up to you and say something. Yeah, if she's still gentle with it, yeah, that might be a whole different ballgame. Confident, okay. Let's say confident. She's confident, okay. But like, let's say like she comes up with you, but she gentle is like, hey, but like I really think you're handsome. Yeah, like just going all up.

SPEAKER_04 49:50

That's gonna boost your motivation, especially if she, if, if you if she's if she's like attractive, if she is attractive to you, yeah, that's gonna boost your motivation. You're gonna be like, okay, all right, and that's the the chemistry already there, the vibe is already there, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:08

It's gonna make you more secure as a man, huh? Yeah, yeah. All right. What about rejection? What about it? Okay. Well, I already know that. So let's go.

SPEAKER_09 50:19

What about it?

SPEAKER_07 50:20

Rejection today. Let's do let's go to rejection. Men taking to rejection today, they be crashing out.

SPEAKER_04 50:27

Oh, yeah, they're crashing out for sure.

SPEAKER_10 50:28

For sure. Yeah, man. But why is that? Because we soft. Not we soft, but men are soft. Yeah. Softer.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

It depends on how it's it depends on how it's portrayed, though. I ain't gonna say that.

SPEAKER_10 50:40

Some females can can hey, I ain't gonna because they people say all this like to like memes. Like, what's the worst she could the worst she could say is no.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

But then she nah, they they nah, they can do it worse than that. You think they can do worse than that?

SPEAKER_10 50:53

Yes, she'll tear your whole character down before then it's a it's a woman, so it hit a little different.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

It's all facts.

SPEAKER_07 50:59

Whatever they say to us, it does.

SPEAKER_10 51:02

Look, I could I could handle a rejection, me too.

SPEAKER_07 51:05

But how but I'm used to it, no.

SPEAKER_05 51:10

Well, man.

SPEAKER_07 51:11

Yo, man, I ain't saying I'm just I ain't I ain't used to it. I ain't gonna lie, I'll probably be I'll probably be saying as uh as uh I could handle a rejection, me too.

SPEAKER_10 51:24

But how that rejection is handed to you, it matters it matters.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

It matters y'all think it's handed a little bit. It's not just a it depends on what you like.

SPEAKER_10 51:33

It's on how she says it for real or how she goes about it.

SPEAKER_04 51:37

You got you you gotta you gotta come up with a storyline for us to be able to like you just met her or something, or or or Okay, okay. You just met her at the bar and she with her girls, and you just walked up to her girls at the bar.

SPEAKER_07 51:52

Uh-huh. That's I age you. Uh-huh. All right, this time the aggressive one don't take your approach. You go to the passive one, but then she rejects you.

SPEAKER_04 52:02

How how is she rejecting me? So I'm coming up. It depends on. Hey, hey, how you doing? I you know, I see you see you over here. That's how I want to go.

SPEAKER_10 52:09

All right, like, all right, so like if she like it's like, she's like, if you say like you come up, like, oh like I saw you over there, I think you're interested. Yeah, like no, no, no, thanks. I'm not interested. Okay, that's fine. Okay, you can take that. That's okay. Okay, it was right.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

But if some people don't take it like that, oh they come at you, oh, you wouldn't even know that anyway. You feel me? Like, you can you can say I just seen I just seen some men do that.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

Like, you wouldn't even know about that anyway.

SPEAKER_05 52:35

Women say the same thing.

SPEAKER_10 52:36

Yeah, nah, but like, nah, but like, let's say you you walked up and some like, hey, how you doing?

SPEAKER_05 52:45

Like, nah, I'm good. Nah, I'm not gonna.

SPEAKER_08 52:55

Like, what you crazy. I'm gonna ew.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

But I'm just saying, though, like everybody got their preferences, so we we don't fit everybody's preference.

SPEAKER_04 53:08

I hope nobody would say that to somebody. All of them say ew, but most people be like, nah, nah.

SPEAKER_10 53:14

How it happens matters though. How it happens, yeah, like some.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

But usually they hit you with the I got a boyfriend though.

SPEAKER_10 53:20

Most people to your face. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

But how would you take that? You gonna take that? Like, uh, or how you gonna take that? One of your boys like that.

SPEAKER_10 53:30

Hey, hey, uh, this way I used to be like I used to be like this. I got a boyfriend. Is it serious? No, no, no, no. My bad, my bad, my bad. I said that wrong. I said that wrong. I said that wrong, I said that wrong. All right, so hey, this guy. I said that wrong. My bad, my bad, my bad. All right, so let's say like this. You approach them, they be like, I got a boyfriend, but oh, when's the wedding? It's like, oh, we ain't having one. Oh, so it's not serious. You feel me?

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Nah, that's that's a good one, man.

SPEAKER_07 54:04

Like, hey, I feel like the conversation to keep you on the pursuit. Yeah, it wouldn't be awkward after that.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

You hit them with that, it ain't gonna be awkward after that. The conversation they hit you with the oh, I got a boyfriend, it's gonna be awkward. You're gonna be like, oh man, I just went, oh no, but what if she's doing nice?

SPEAKER_07 54:18

Like, yeah, nah, you you nice looking, but I'm just not that I'm not interested in nobody right now.

SPEAKER_04 54:22

Nah, if she got a boyfriend, she ain't even supposed to say that. So, okay. She ain't supposed to say no, she ain't supposed to say that. So, okay, as all right, here we go. Look, you trying to take it to an old other girl. You trying to take a no, she ain't supposed to say that though.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Like, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, man.

SPEAKER_07 54:44

So somebody say, hey man, I see this dude talking to your girl at the bar. She was talking to him. How you gonna react to that?

SPEAKER_04 54:50

How you gonna react to that? Is this my is my boys telling me this? Or is it like just somebody?

SPEAKER_07 54:55

Somebody, we have maybe he's not your close boy.

SPEAKER_10 54:59

Hey, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna hold you. I'm not I'm not telling you to pick sides. Be like, all right, appreciate it, but you can't go react on that. No, you can't, you can't. No, no, no, facts. You can't react on what you hear. You gotta see it. You feel me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's a lot of scheming, scheming dudes out here who be saying stuff to try to call it dirty mac. To try to get they spot, you know, and call that what y'all call it?

SPEAKER_07 55:24

What y'all call it?

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Backdoor facts. Yep, yeah. Backdoor.

SPEAKER_07 55:28

I heard that term before. Yeah, dirty mac, man. Yeah, it's a lot of dudes. It's a lot of those dudes out there like that.

SPEAKER_04 55:34

So you saying, like, how would I how would I take that?

SPEAKER_07 55:36

How would you take that?

SPEAKER_04 55:37

I mean, I would, you know, I would definitely, okay, all right, I appreciate it. And would you approach her?

SPEAKER_07 55:47

If we out, would you be at home?

SPEAKER_04 55:50

We at home?

SPEAKER_07 55:50

At home, and I just started. Oh, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 55:53

So who's old boy that's talking to you at the would you do that? I mean, I feel like everybody would be curious. Yeah, you want to know. You know what I mean? You're gonna ask a question.

SPEAKER_10 56:00

How you go about it from there don't matter.

SPEAKER_07 56:03

I I'm not saying just go crash out and just bleed every everything this person just said to you, but like just create a conversation like, yeah, man. So and so says they seen you and so-and-so was talking.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

Or you how would you how would you bring that up to yeah, I so I just heard this uh how would I approach it and say it, huh? Mm-hmm. Basically, I'll just be a hundred with her. You feel me? I heard this from from so-and-so.

SPEAKER_07 56:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:29

Ooh, is this true or what? I want to know about it. Basically, just ask some questions for real.

SPEAKER_07 56:34

That's the best way as a man to do.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

I feel like that's the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's gotta have a conversation. You gotta have a conversation. You know what I mean? I'm not saying just totally agree. It's definitely first the most important thing to do is just not just to assume that it's true off rip and then to have that attitude going into the conversation. I would say just going in there and just you know, asking questions, wanting, you know, I'm sitting, this gotta be a sit-down conversation. You know what I mean? Yeah, it gotta be mature. Yeah, it gotta be mature about it. Yeah, uh it depends on attitude. You come at a person crazy, and then it's just it might escalate from that. Cause what if it is true? It might, you know what I mean? It could escalate from that.

SPEAKER_10 57:11

Yeah. So it gotta be. And depending on what she says to your face, she might gaslight you like crazy.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

So you gotta, you, you, it that gotta be a sitting down conversation for sure. That's one of them grown-up conversations, for sure.

SPEAKER_10 57:23

Gotta talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 57:24

Yeah, if somebody coming at you and saying putting something in your ear about your woman, you're gonna in your head, you're gonna be you're gonna be pissed off already.

SPEAKER_07 57:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

You know what I mean? Because why, why is why he in our why he why he in our you know what about my woman? Why he in our relationship so at first, at first, like say if we was out, we all out. Whether we all out or something, and I done went to the bathroom, something just happened. My you know, some random dude just came up to me and said something. Yeah, we wait until we get home. We're gonna, you know what I mean? I'm not, we're not even gonna, this gotta be a sitting-down conversation. But yeah, it's all about how you go about it, I feel like.

SPEAKER_07 57:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 57:58

Y'all agree with that?

SPEAKER_07 57:59

No, no, that's good. No, for sure. Yeah, you gotta be mature about it. You gotta be manly. We gotta we one thing about man, we just can't show, we can't just show emotion like that.

SPEAKER_04 58:10

Yeah, you can't just crash out, man. Can't just crash out, you gotta think, man.

SPEAKER_07 58:14

So one last question, then we're gonna get out of here. Is man emotionally strong now? Stronger now?

SPEAKER_04 58:24

Somewhere emotionally strong.

SPEAKER_10 58:26

Emotionally strong. Gotta be.

SPEAKER_04 58:30

I feel like, yeah, you definitely are, you know what I mean? Some men are ready to be like that. You can't show your emotions because you know what I mean. Once you show your emotion, it could be it could be a sign of weakness, and people can attack that weakness in certain ways. But I feel like men have their emotions a lot. Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes you got to. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes you, you know what I mean. And then if you do be vulnerable, it gotta be to the right person. And then, like I said, sometimes down the road it could be used as a weakness. Somebody might know what your weakness is.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

I feel like, yeah, definitely, definitely strong.

SPEAKER_10 59:04

Uh some people be. Yeah. Gotta be. Just because my bat. Y'all ain't gonna hold you. Nah, but uh I'm over here crying. I'm over here crying. Hey, big cry too, man. Big cry too, man.

SPEAKER_07 59:20

Real men cry.

SPEAKER_10 59:21

Nah, uh, I say some gotta, you gotta be, because sometimes people be putting you through loopholes. Like they, it's yeah. Like I say, growing up, you know, I always say men don't cry, da da da, suck it up, da da da. Uh uh, throw some dirt on it. Um, yeah. So, like, not gonna lie, I took a lot of toughness too, like to just be able to pause, swallow it, and like put it down, pause. I said, You feel me?

SPEAKER_04 59:46

I know you pause yourself before you say anybody.

SPEAKER_10 59:49

But like, uh, but then to do that, but then now it's like, I don't know, you just get so much thrown at your thrown at you now, like it's with like from all directions. Yeah. Uh, that you gotta you gotta be able to handle stuff emotionally. Yeah. Um I I'm not gonna say they're stronger, but I just know you you gotta you gotta be able to handle a lot of stuff now. Facts, facts. So it's okay for me to cry. I mean, if it if it requires it.

unknown 1:00:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:15

Now personally, like if it's some small or something, like suck it up, bro. Like, like chill out.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:20

But then if it's like something cry and get over it. But then if it's something big, you know, if it's something big, like a like, you know, like something like devastating happening, like, yeah, man, do what you gotta do. Yeah, but then we gotta move on. We can't just we can't dwell on it and be and have let that hinder us for forever. So it's like, you know, because we life still go on. We still gotta move, we still gotta do things, you know, that that we got ahead of us. We can't just make the world stop because something, you know. It's like take your time, do what you gotta do, but then we move, we work. I say it's yes, they people men have to now have to be strong emotionally just because it's a lot of stuff. That's going on in the world. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think so too. Uh I'm with y'all on that. So I think men are emotionally stronger now. Hope that was uh understandable. Yeah, yeah, no, no, that was that was good. You was even crying too, man. I'm I'm glad you're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:15

I mean, I was over here crying in the club, dog.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:17

You gotta get tied back to the whole relationship thing too, though.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:20

Heck yeah, I got rejected.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:22

It's tied tied back to the whole rejection thing too. Look, you know, men gotta put up with a lot. Not saying women don't either, women do too, though. But yeah, I feel like that's why men lead though. You know what I mean? Yeah. See, you supposed to be a big thing. We got the shoulders together, yeah. We got the shoulders tied together.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:39

No, no offense to the women. I know it's some bad women out there, y'all doing your thing, but yeah, man, we got the shoulders to carry the carry the load, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:50

Hey, they man, they look they over here looking looking to you for support. Yeah, facts, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:54

So yeah, man, we just we just dive into something a little deep, you know, about manhood, man. We just want to chat as guys, man, you know. Uh, but nah, man, hey fellas, man, hey, stay strong out there, man. Hey, gotta pick your head up, man, and uh what Belichick said, do your job. Do your job as men. Even when it don't look good, even when nobody patting you on the back. Do your job. So that's that's the conversation today. We'll we'll probably dive more into that. Further down the line with another with a guest or two, maybe so. So but nah, let's get to this, man. What you doing that wheel this week? Uh let's go for. Oh my bad.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:43

My bad. Uh I was already taking a sip. Nah, but uh see that. Uh but um still trying still trying to, you know, regain some strength. Uh get my get my arm better.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:02

Yeah, how's that going?

SPEAKER_10 1:03:03

Uh my range of motion is a lot better. Still can't do certain things.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:07

Like, I'm not really gonna be a few weeks.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:12

But it's it's improving fast. Um really trying to get that going. Um definitely got some other things outside of this, uh, as far as media and recording that I'm doing that I need to not need to that I'm attacking and just want to be better at and improve on. Um that is coming up this week, so yeah. I mean, yeah, I'll tell you that. You know, my health and then just attacking that part. So I'll leave it at that. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:46

Okay. I'll go. My ad will moment probably be I say this all the time, but consistency, man. Consistency. Uh I got a new schedule, so I've been getting up at the crack of dawn. That's new. I feel like like I was getting back up for like for like high school and stuff. Yeah, so just getting up early, but I've been doing good at it, though, and I've been having a lot of energy, so just staying consistent with that. Yeah, and then just doing just trying to do new things. I got a new opportunity, so just trying to do different things, man. Open the doors for myself, man, see some new stuff. I'm trying to come out with some new stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:30

So just leave it at that, bro. Okay. Just trying to do some new stuff, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:33

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:34

A new page for real. A new page.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:36

Yeah. Yeah. That's what's up, man. Yeah, man. I'm I'm kind of doing the same thing, man. I I will be a little more consistent work workout wise. I fell off this week just because of the work schedule or how work was this week. But uh got a new, I also got a new work schedule as well, so I should be able to adjust well. Uh, so I'm gonna get back on that. Uh I got some I got some projects I'm wanting to work on. Like uh, I got uh I want to work on this mentoring project that somebody asked me to be a part. Uh so I'm gonna try to do that. Um or partner with them and that. Uh and uh let's see, what else? Wanna work more on uh content, you know what I'm saying? Get things uh you know out there, you know what I'm saying, be a little more than just shooting us, you know what I'm saying? You know, I know you doing the same thing, man. So y'all look for that. We're gonna be soon. We're gonna have some more content more than just us there. And y'all see more of a uh producer work out there as well. So uh no, I wanna do that. Uh what else I I mean, other than that I said, I just wanna get more content out, be more consistent workout wise. And uh yeah. That's it, man. Yeah. So, yeah. That's it, man. We good? Yeah. Good. I'm good, man. Yes, sir. Yeah, so as we say, man, uh, do your purpose. Do your purpose at will. We create, we speak, we live at will. We out here. Amen up.