Israel Houghton | Created to Worship: The Heart Behind the Music

Grammy-winning worship leader Israel Houghton sits down with Pastor Rickie G. Rush for one of his most honest and unfiltered conversations ever.

Israel opens up about the storms behind the spotlight — the seasons of loss, loneliness, and starting over. He talks about the moment in a small apartment when God told him to sing again… and he told God he had nothing left to say. That breaking point became the beginning of real worship.

In this episode, Israel and Pastor Rush dive into:
 • What happens when life knocks you off course
 • Finding God when the music stops and the room goes quiet
 • The power of honest worship and heart-level faith
 • How God rewrites stories people try to end
 • Why nothing changes until you decide to try

If you’ve ever faced storms, setbacks, or silent seasons, this conversation will speak straight to your spirit. Don’t miss it.

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Transcript

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But. You did try to track methane through the track. I can say in the same.

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He's trying to track. Do you say to track nothing. This is the same across the company. Never mind the ways you can walk on water just as good as me,

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All right, everybody, this is Pastor Ricky Russ, and I want to thank you and welcome you to another episode of Decide to Try a sensational podcast that's bringing a lot of us joy. And, you know, we here today, we have very, very special guests. Now, when Jesus told Peter to come, it was only in response to Peter saying, Lord, if it's you, allow me to come to you walking on the water.

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So Peter decided that he was going to go, and when he made the choice, Jesus said, just come. He started going and then he started to sink. You ask anybody about that particular sermon, a message in the Bible. It's going to be based on Peter solid that I like. Think about, not him falling or not even him getting up or him walking again.

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He did it twice. But I like to think that none of that would have happened had he not decided to try. We do a lot of things. A lot of stuff happens, man. We feel a lot, but it's because we try. So today we have a guest with us that I mean, of all the people we've had, I don't know how to start this one.

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I don't know how to conclude it. I don't know how to express to you how excited I am to have a person who's inspired and motivated probably change the whole way we feel about music, brought that gospel music to a different culture at a different level, and brought all of us together. His music, his talent, his God given ability, and his commitment to God through storms and trials and tribulations through hardship, has made him a household name and a heaven's joy.

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His name is Israel and he's here with us today. I know that everybody has a favorite Israel New Breed song that you sing all the time. Your choirs sing. It's family singing at the family reunion. You do everything with it except hit it with fans, and he hasn't come out with that kind of blow. But maybe there's something that you can do in your heart that says, man, I am a different person.

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He has inspired people, he has encouraged people, and he has certainly put a smile on Pastor Rosen's face, having a chance to be around him in person and to laugh and share. And I'm going to really say in a lot of ways had a few tears. I don't know, the last time I really sit with a brother who we just glared and went, My God, God brought something really unique together.

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So I'm going to stop right here and go into our guest. We don't have but a very few minutes. He is so busy but so humble. He's about to do a massive thing here in Dallas, but he's up right now on his way to the stage to be a part of a decide to try podcast for the Israel holidays.

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And thank you for being a part of this podcast, man, I am, I am such a rookie at this. I love this year, but I but I'm actually sitting here with you. Yeah. And you know man I'm there. There's no shucking and jiving in I game and whatever the lingo is that I'm not using, right. I don't even want to apologize.

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Yeah. The real nice man of your heart, the genuineness of your spirit and the humility that God has poured into you. Thank you. Thank you for being a trailblazer who stuck with it. Now I'm going to ask a couple questions. Sure, maybe no one wants to know, but everybody wants to know. But no one was asked. Why have you stayed with it this long?

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People started this stuff, man. And immediately when it gets good, you take off and do a whole different play it. They start out, do it down the runway, seem like the runway gets short instead of taking off and staying with the Lord. Sometimes we go down another runway and stay in the world. Yeah. Why did you stay with it so long?

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I mean, I'd love to. I'd love to say I stayed with it. You know, faithfully, consistently for the last, you know? Yeah, 30 plus years. But the truth is, I found myself seeing the destination there in front of me. But going this way. And at some point, you realize I

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don't see where I was headed anymore. And I was headed there with a good heart.

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I was headed there with the right motivation.

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Life, the winds of change, the winds of life, the chaos of the storms of life, the the you know, whatever analogy I could give you for raging seas have a tendency to knock you off course. And if you're not doing things actively the course correct, you'll find yourself kind of lost.

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But to your point,

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like, you know, I have found myself moored and shipwrecked at times, you know, and there is this thing on the inside that

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supersedes this is a living for me. This is a livelihood for me. This is an expression of music or worship. For me, it supersedes all of that. And it reminds me down to the very, very foundation studs of why I was created.

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I was

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not created to be a super Christian. I was not created to be a musician. I was not created to write

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songs that people sing all over the world. I that's a benefit of what I was created for. But I was created to worship Jesus.

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And if there's ten people in a room, one person in the room, what if it's just me and him?

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If it's 5000, like it's going to be the night, whatever, whatever it is. It's like

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if me being a worshiper has nothing to do with music, has nothing to do with lyrics, has nothing to do with melody. It has everything to do with the position of my heart. And so in that, I have just made a decision to not just not just try, but to, you know, I made I made a real decision early on in my life, and

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I've made that commitment several times in saying, I will always worship God and everything else is going to be what it's going to be.

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We talked earlier, and a lot of people think, I believe that being Christians, we don't get to have real hardships. And if God is real, where was he? When and how did he allow this to happen? And both of us being fathers, we know that a lot of things have happened to our children. We cannot avoid it. We watch them have accidents, we try to prevent it and it and it can't.

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And so now with us doing this Christian thing, this is Jesus journey. We call it here and I. But, have you ever somebody is listening and all they know are the lyrics and the music and the concerts, but talk about that storm. When the music is over, the stadiums are empty and there's you and God, and you know that Jesus washed his word is real.

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Yeah, yeah. And I just got I just use his reality and he he is real. And your name is real. Yeah. And but but when do we find that out? I found it out in a lonely, dark place. Yeah. I,

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I was talking to a friend of mine this morning, actually, and I said, I've been working on this song that no one is ever going to hear, and I've been working on it for ten years, maybe a little longer.

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And I started writing this song in this little apartment. I was going through a divorce, and I was just really I went from big house, big family, you know, lots of people around to alone in a room probably smaller than this studio that we're in right now. In a little one

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bedroom apartment. I had room for a little keyboard in there, and that keyboard sat and collected dust for months.

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I would

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walk past it and I'd hear God, go sing to me. And I would, you know, it's the first time I think ever I just outwardly sort of defied God and said, man, I have nothing to say because I was equating singing with career. I was I was equating singing to that was a means to an end.

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And instead he's like, just sing to me. And when I did, Mike cry saying this, but when I

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did, I just started singing words like, why are

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you still here? Why do you still care about like, why do you keep, why are you bothering me to sing to you? Like, what is this like? I from what I was told growing up, if I fall, that's it.

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Yeah. And it was terrible theology. Obviously. I know the people that taught us did the best they could with what they had. But

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to your point, that's when I. That's when I realized.

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That's what I realized that God is good all the time, all of the time. And

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you don't you can say cliche things like that when you're on the mountaintop and like, God is good. All the time. All the time. Guys are good. But when like, you go to bed on top of the world and you wake up with the world on top of you, it's hard to say God is good all the time because this doesn't feel good.

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Night it up. But

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I found in his presence like. And I don't mean just this ethereal presence of God, but like the presence

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of the present Jesus in my little apartment in, in West Hollywood and and him saying, I like it when you just sing to me, I like I

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just I like your voice. I gave you your voice.

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I like it when you give it back. And, and

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that's that's kind of when I realized that everything I had been singing about all my life, up until about 11 years ago, came from a good place, came from a real place, came from an experiential place. But it didn't really, really, really, really drop into my spirit fully until I realized you're all I need.

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Because you're all I have. Yeah,

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But here's this thing, Israel. I think I discovered that I am at the age that I am now, and I'm finally living the sermons that I was teaching everybody else about. Well, I love preaching and I love teaching, but I did not. And I don't like I don't like storms. I know God is going to come out there walking to get me.

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I know if I sing, he'll pull me up. I know that if I am a sleep and it pops up, he'll tell it to be still. But the process, man, I don't like the process, but now I appreciate it. But I had to live church and I had to find that alone place with him. And that's what I hear you saying.

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And that's where those tears are from. And I sometimes say, God, just show me someone who understands what this is we're trying to say, and do it because there's another generation that wants to see, how did y'all stand? Yeah, and we're talking about they're not a friend like Jesus. But until you don't have to see like Jesus, we've talked about it.

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You and I have talked about having that just that one conversation, man, that one person that would call and say, for real, how are you doing? And if you're not doing good, can I check going? I have a few friends in my life that when stuff

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so kind of hitting the press, one friend in particular called me and said, where?

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What city are you in right now? Where are you going to be tonight? I'm going to be in LA, so, okay, I'm going to be there tonight. Wow. And

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he said, I don't, I don't you don't have to even acknowledge that I'm there. But here's

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where I'm staying. And I'd love to sit down. And man, I mean, it was it was life changing.

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Another friend called me and said in these exact words, hey man, what kind of friend do you need me to be? What do you need right now? I like as a friend, I like

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it, and I just said, and that's what I need. I need guys that will pick up the phone and go, what do you need?

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My, my, the way my sort of.

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I'm dealing with this, you know, I've dealt with this my whole life, but the way my pride and ego is set up, you know, it's it's like I, it's hard for me to ask anybody for anything. And so when somebody goes, hey, I know that about you.

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Because, you know, we've done life together like that. What kind of friend do you need me to be?

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You

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know, sometimes it's hard because

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you and I, I sound like we're givers. And once someone gives, though, I want that given to be genuine. Because I may not have enough strength to pay back. But I want to have enough courage to always know that I. I will never stop owing you. And and you'll die trying to l give me.

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And

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I just think, man, I was in this place and God sent you and and into my life. And you said. You said you said crazy words to me. And we don't know each other. We didn't go to school together. We didn't hang out. And you said God sent me to serve you best. Do it. And I'm like, whoa, no, you cannot answer me.

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That's how I get my rest. I don't volunteer, I serve, I, I, I thank you for letting him use you to tell me this is not near being over. I was getting ready to retire. Now I'm thanking God that I'm inspired. Well, I only chuckle because I tried

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retiring several times. I'm married to a firecracker Puerto Rican woman who was like, listen,

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I'm married a man of God.

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Like, you know, you're not going to retire. What are you talking about? So she kind of

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pushed me out there and reminded me, you know, it's amazing how people, maybe even with what they think is the right heart, will pronounce people dead. Like that person failed so bad that we just have to put a period next to their name and,

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and, you know, write them off.

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And my wife had to remind me that that's

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not how God writes. God would take where there's a period and put a comma under it and turn

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it into a semicolon. Is the definition of a semicolon. Is this

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the author has more to say about this. And she said, I feel like you've got more to say. I feel like God has more to say through you

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and it.

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And as as much as I fought it, that's why I chuckle when you said I was retired because I was trying to retire and

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just be ever James dad. Like that's what I want to be famous for. Like I am ever James's father. Yeah. And I'm like, low key went from being not a great father, you know, in the first few tries of my life to an exceptional one.

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Not a great husband to an exceptional one, not a you know, I always wanted to be a good friend and good citizen and good, good Christian. I haven't always been that. But like, that is my goal to just be a good human being to the people that I come into contact with.

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That said, though, you got to understand it is not customary for me to meet strangers to me

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or brothers to me and go, how can I serve you?

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That's not normal to me. One because I already have a lot of plates spinning in my life. So in order for me to say I would like to serve

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you, if you if you need that, that means I'm willing to either add another plate to that spin. I'm willing to let

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one fall. And so I'm very selective with that.

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And what helps me with that selection is what I told you earlier I'll hear music. I don't even share this publicly, really. But like,

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music could be playing all around, you know, house music when. But if I'm in a moment where I'm like, oh, God is here. What's going on? Whoa.

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I'll feel music is like cinematic music, almost, and it's not even heard as much as it's felt the emotion of it.

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And I felt that last night when we started talking and I was like,

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who? Who what? What is this? Who is this? Like, why do I, I came in to like, kind of say hi at the rehearsal and to my listen, my norm. And anybody who's

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worked with me knows this. I'm going to show up, I'm going to do what I came to do, and I'm going to do the Irish goodbye.

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You're never even going to know I left, and that's the way it's always been. And that has been to protect my peace. And, you know, I'm actually very

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extroverted on stage, but very shy offstage. And that's just the way I've been built, you know what I mean? And

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and, for me to, like, have that whole thing sort of upended by you and this incredible team and

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and the young people I see everywhere serving in God's house, it just arrested me, man.

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And my only response was, okay,

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I know why God brought me here. I

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could we could go on forever. Everybody has a favorite Israel song, I now understand I have a favorite Israel Hope person. You know, I get new breed now. Sometimes you listen, you listen, you enjoy it. You drive with it in your car, all the way up with your Mark Levinson sound system.

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They're booming. And all of a sudden, in a closed room, God says, I got your attention. Now let me have your commitment. And the commitment is we can't forget how how far we've come. You've been doing this for a minute. And you still you still desired. Let me say that for the whole world still desired. And the problem with most people is they can understand how we can make complete comebacks from these setbacks.

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And you helped me tonight and some things that we're doing the first time I told you, I, I don't do things like that and I don't go out. I, I'm very thankful that I had a chance to do what I did. Yeah. You come shaking my collar with my little crazy daughter said, oh, by the way, that was just an awakening.

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Now let's give you your charge and I appreciate you for that. You've been at the inspiring Body of Christ Church and for. For a couple of minutes now. And now we're in it. You know, I'm inspired and you're walking around and and in your life just like me. And you saw this amazing God. I was doing it.

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And this is one of our favorite things to do. I'm excited to try podcasts that are holy and that's that. Yeah. So this is you and a lot of people's eyes, but I always want to know who's holding your layer. But as I said to you earlier, my job in life is not always be this. I got a whole people's ladder.

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That's when I'm at my best. Yeah, I like to see other people take off. Who are some of your ladder holders? You

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know, besides the rest? Yeah.

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Of course. So that's it. I, I, I

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would probably have to start at home. Okay. You know, I remember kind of going through everything I went through newly married to Adrian and people saying, hey, we want to run you through this sort of restoration accountability program.

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And that was like kind of a full time job for me. And I remember a really, really, really smart, wise man asked me, he said, who are you accountable to? And I said, I'm accountable to Adrian, full stop. There's nothing in my life she doesn't know. There's nothing in my life. She can't ask. She has every password to my phone.

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She has every. You know what I mean? And he said, that sounds like accountability to me. And I think it was when we got married, she basically said, I know you got you. You're going to have to claw your way back here. And I'm going to I'm going to be right there with you. So she's a big one.

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Doctor. Bernard from Brooklyn, New York,

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has been a true spiritual father to me. But like, but the voice of just a human father, not just some spiritual thing, you know, like he's

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been, he's actually pastored me. And I realized for the first time in a long time in my life that I wasn't being pastored. I was working for pastors, I was employed by a church, but I wasn't being pastor, because, you know, when, when, when life happened, you kind of realize who was willing to walk with you all the way.

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And I've been very fortunate in the people I have worked for, have walked with me all the way. Doctor Bernard has gone an extreme extra mile. He's been a ladder holder for me, for sure,

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and I'm grateful to God for all pastors who get a chance to do that. Yeah, but someone like, it's very difficult pastoring people who inspire more people than you may pastor.

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That's right. They all need someone know that that is. What's amazing is he's at the top of the ladder in my life, but he's also holding it and I don't know,

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wow, that's that person in the middle that's getting schizophrenia. I

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don't know, but I mean, in the sense of like, I we hold him in high regard and we and we pedestal him and we're grateful for him.

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But he's also the servant leader too. So he'll get down and make sure you're you're all right. And I'd like to meet him. We need to make that happen.

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When you come to New York. We'll make that happen. And to do that, I want to thank you. On the desire to Try podcast. Some of the fun things I like to do is to find out how quickly we are trying to say the things that we would decide to do.

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So I'm going to do the decide to try again. Okay. Here we go. Rapid fire. Here we go. And let's see. You're going to think about it okay. All right. Ice cream and cookies.

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Cookies. Oh not even close. Basketball.

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The football. Oh,

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oh. To watch or to play basketball if it's,

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football, man. Football. Let's get the Dallas Cowboys or the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Philadelphia Eagles 100%. Sorry, everybody. An album of studio

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life. Your live or studio album that's such, tough question because I, I think I do best

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live, but I love creating in the studio. But yeah, live probably. Elevators and

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stairs. Stairs. Coffee and tea. Coffee.

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you know. Son of daughters.

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I'm a I'm a. Don't answer that. Do not. I'm a girl dad and a boy. That's But right now I'm

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100% boy dad with every James man. Piano, organ,

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jogging or walking?

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Walking in the biggest man. Trucks or cars? Trucks.

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In person. Online.

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Who?

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That's a third rail. In person. There's nothing like in

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Facebook. Instagram? I have more people on Facebook. So Facebook. Okay. Life is full of decisions. Every day. We make a decision. You decided to come to Dallas, you decided to do this party, and you decided to try and God has given all of us a chance.

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Man, I love your smile. I love your personality. Olivia. Commitment. And I can't wait to see what's next. Thank you for snatching me and say, come on back. Pass to us. And I just appreciate appreciate you. I want to invite you back to I about church and everyone of you that are listening to come with us on Sunday mornings at 10:00 here at inspired by the of Christ Church every Sunday morning.

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We have been blessed today to have a quick conversation, the heartfelt conversation with Mister Israel. Holton, who has blessed all of us for years. And here's what I want you to do when you go out of this podcast, maybe play it back, subscribe to the Decide to Try podcast. We're Not Trying to Be famous, a podcast, and all of that stuff.

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I just love being able to have conversations with people that other people think can only do one thing. Not only can he sing, he can direct, he can lead, he can father, he can family, he can listen. And God knows he can try. So we appreciate all of you. And until next time, you continue to decide to try, nothing happens until you decide to try.

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See you later.

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Okay. In.