Mid-Term Rentals EXPOSED: When They Win, When They Fail

We’ve talked about long-term rentals. We’ve talked about Airbnb.

But we’ve never talked about this.

In this episode of The Rent-ish Podcast, Zach and Patrick welcome Bailey Kramer, the first guest we’ve ever had, to break down mid-term rentals, the in-between strategy most investors either misunderstand or completely ignore.

Bailey shares how he started investing while still in college, why he chose mid-term rentals over traditional leasing, and what actually makes this strategy work (and fail). We get into the real numbers, why furnishing matters more than people expect, how tenant screening changes by platform, and why mid-term rentals are not the “safe middle ground” everyone assumes.

If you’ve ever wondered whether mid-term rentals are a hidden opportunity or a risky distraction, this episode gives you the honest answer.

No hype. No gurus. Just the reality.

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What's going on everyone? Welcome to the rentish podcast. I'm Zach here with my cohost, Patrick. Forgot we had the new intros. We're two hosts on a mission to learn real estate investing. On this podcast, we'll share what we're discovering about property management, wild stories, and the lessons we pick up along the way. And that's the fun part. We're learning as we go, just like you. We bring in experts to guide us and break down the tricky stuff and figure it out together. So let's laugh, learn and dive into real estate side by side. Yeah, that's right, producers. I added the side by side. It's not in the script, but I liked that anyway. I always kind of liked that because it felt like like Mr. Rogers neighborhood sort of vibe. Like it's a beautiful day in this real estate podcast. You know what I'm talking about. All right. Follow the show at the rent ish pod email questions at the rent ish pod.com. Follow us on podcast platforms around the world. You can go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, pretty much anywhere that you get your shows, you can download the Rentish pod and give us a like, give us a thumbs up or review. Tell your friends that are into real estate and property management that they might enjoy this little show called The Rentish. um But Patrick, ordinarily, I'd ask you how your day is going. I don't care today. I really don't because we've got a special guest and we've got to really jump in to ask them some questions. So I'm gonna dive right into it. We're joined. I'm just going to, I'm going to offer that information. My day is going well, but anyway, I know I wasn't asked, but all right, continue. told you not to go off script or else we're canceling the show. Today we're joined by Bailey Kramer. Bailey is a real estate investor who focuses specifically on midterm rentals and currently owns and operates 10 units with no partners or outside investors. His portfolio generates roughly $25,000 per month and he documents his real world experience to help others understand what midterm rentals actually look like in practice. Bailey, welcome to The Rent-A-Show. Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here. I can already tell it's gonna be fun. Yeah, right. if you so fun is a great way to describe it. We're glad that you're getting that vibe. A lot of people tend to tuck the tail between their legs and they're like, oh, no, this is going to be bad. I'm going to have to listen to these two chuckleheads talk for a while. But how's your how's your day going? I actually care about your day. I'm going to ask you. you so much, my day is going super well. Yeah, no complaints so far. Awesome. Well, obviously it goes without saying, thank you for being on the show. We'll get into it a little bit later of where you can find out more about Bailey, so stay tuned for the rest of the interview. We're gonna talk with him for a little bit about his journey. And that's kind of where I wanna start. I wanna hear about you. Obviously I gave you a little summary in the description, but tell us about you, your journey into real estate, where you are, how you got here, what makes you tick. For sure. Do you me to start from the beginning or kind of where I'm at now? All right. All right, cool. Well, I guess I'll start because it wasn't that long ago when I first started about six-ish years ago. And I was basically in college and I was essentially looking up online, like best businesses to start, best investments, stuff like that. One search led to another. found Rich Dad Poor Dad, learned about real estate through there. And I looked up like, I kind of liked what I was hearing from Robert Kiyosaki in that book. So I looked up like, how much is Robert Kiyosaki worth? And it was like a lot of money, either hundreds of millions or maybe even a billion. And I was like, how did he make his money? And then I saw like real estate. I'm like, okay, this is great. So then I type in the internet, how to get started in real estate. One thing led to another, found bigger pockets, you know, and listened to some of podcasts to learn more and did up the short story of course met some guy basically through bigger pockets that had some experience I was in college and I had no experience no money or anything and this guy pretty much took me under his wing and said to me, you do the cold calling, I'll handle the rest and we'll kind of partner up from there. So that is essentially what happened when I was a, I think I was a junior in college at this point. I would basically cold call homeowners who either had like a lot of equity in their houses or like certain criteria. And basically I was like, Hey, do you want to sell your house? And after a lot of those calls, I had one guy who said, yes, I actually need to sell. And I said, great, let me talk to my partner. So I basically transferred him over to this guy and he did all the closing for me essentially. And that ended up being the first deal, which was a fix and flip deal. And again, I had no knowledge, no experience. I didn't even know what was even happening throughout the deal. But since I found the deal, I kind of was like the 50 50 partner on it. And that was my start. in real estate. Obviously a lot has changed in the 60 years, but I'll pause there if there's anything else um for the very start of the journey. Wow, that's like a different and earlier start than I feel like a lot of our guests have had. So that's definitely a cool perspective. uh I guess one of my questions is, your resume is centered on midterm rentals. And a lot of the resources that you provide is very specific to midterm rentals. So. What about midterm rentals made you interested in that market? Or maybe it just happened that way. I'm not sure. What was your journey with midterms specifically? So basically to fast forward super quickly with that first guy bought the properties with we did fix and flips. We did long-term rentals. Then we bought a property acts like we didn't know the strategy, but it was an Airbnb. So then I started doing Airbnb's and I, and out of all the things I did up to that point, I was like, cool. Airbnb is phenomenal. Um, then I started basically managing other people's Airbnb's that was super cool too. And then how the midterm rental thing came about is someone connected me with somebody on Instagram. It was complete random connection and said, Hey, I had this investor based in California. He has long-term rentals in Indiana and he's interested in joining the Airbnb hype basically. And you help them with it. And I was like, I mean, I've been doing it in Illinois, so I don't really see why he can't do it in Indiana. Like I think it would work just as well there. So he basically said, Bailey, here's one longterm rental. The tenant just moved out. furnish it for me and turn it into an Airbnb. And again, I was really heavy into short-term rental at the time. And I think it was a complete accident that we got a booking inquiry for like a three month stay on Airbnb for this property that was like double or triple the amount he was getting as a long-term rental. And we got that book and I was like, that's pretty sweet. Let's just kind of shoot for more of these long term, longer stay bookings. I didn't really even know what the midterm rental term even meant, but from there he's like, all right, here's a second longterm rental tenant just moved out. Now instead of turn this one into Airbnb, turn this one into a midterm rental. Then he gave me a third property, turn this one into a midterm rental. And I was like, okay, this is really sweet. And then at this point I was basically managing a bunch of people's Airbnbs, some turning them into midterm rentals. And at that point, this was in 2022, roughly don't quote me, it might be off by a year, but at this point I was like, okay, the midterm rental thing is working for that. I'm operating for other people. I am now ready to start buying. my own properties, no partners, just myself and that kind of get all that all that experience gave me the confidence to just start doing it. Okay, is there, this might be a silly question. No silly questions on the podcast, of course, I forgot. I already broke my own rule. Is there an Airbnb for midterm rentals? You mentioned that you just kind of connected with some of these people and then obviously moved that conversation elsewhere, but it's like that starting point, like it seemed to be Airbnb for you and then you moved into the world of midterm rentals, but it's like, there a hub for that? Yeah, good question. So there's a couple sites that are more specific for mid-term rentals. So one of them is called Furnished Finder. It's pretty much primarily, if you see like the advertisements for it, they kind of target it towards travel nurses. So basically if a hospital is understaffed, they'll need to hire nurses or doctors from other cities. Those doctors need a place to stay during their contract. So furnish finder is popular for that. There's a site called the blue ground. I was actually just tweaking some listings on there right before this, but that's another site where again, people are looking for one, two or three months stays. So those are kind of the two. primary like midterm rental specific platforms but I would also say a lot of people are still booking midterm stays through Airbnb so it's kind of cool you can do you know for some of my properties, we'll have like a lake house, for example, that I run for somebody. So in the summertime, we run that thing as a short-term rental for like almost $1,000 a night. But then during the wintertime, no one's come into this town for a short-term rental. So then we'll just change the settings on Airbnb, essentially, to target longer stays, if that makes sense. Okay. Interesting. I have a question because you're aiming for the mid the midterm range Like what is too long if you're like advertising something I know you mentioned like three months But like let's say it's three months and then somebody's like well, I actually want to stay for nine months You're like are you like no like get out like you leave after three months. Like what's what's the idea behind the the length? That's actually a really good question because oftentimes when people want to stay for longer, they kind of want a little bit of a price discount. But so to answer the question, I want someone in there for as long as humanly possible, as long as they're willing to pay like the rate that I want, which is typically two to three times long-term rental rates. So if they're willing to pay that, I want them in there forever. If they'd move, if they'd sign a permanent lease, I'd be in. But I would say, The shortest stay that I would take as a midterm is probably like 30 days. Obviously that could change if like, if I've got like five vacant properties and if someone wants to stay for a week, by all means, I'll take the money. Um, but for the most part, I would say I haven't really ran into that too much where I have a bunch of vacant properties. Normally they stay pretty solidly booked. yeah, anywhere from 30 days, 60 days is very common. I just got a couple six months days recently. That was pretty sweet. I did take a discount in the rent, but it gives me six months of pretty much guaranteed rents. I feel pretty good about that. I'd say the longest stay that I've had was about a year and a half through a midterm stay. And that was actually a construction worker who just, his company happened to be near the town. They needed a place to stay while doing a big job and yeah. That's fascinating, because I think midterm rental, the first thing I did think about was vacation stuff, like people wanting to go. You gave the description, people coming to a place that's really not ideal time to be there, but maybe you just want to get away from it. But then you think about people that are essential workers or people that need to move for jobs. That makes a lot of sense, actually. That's cool. And one other thing to throw on top of that for the lake house as an example, we'll have people who inquire, typically on Airbnb for this one, where they'll say, hey, it's winter time. We're going to be doing renovations to our house. It's going to take a month or two. While we're doing those renovations, can we stay at your property? So there's infinite cases, but that's just another one that rings a bell. Well, it sounds like you discovered this world, it kind of clicked for you and it worked out the gate. I mean, I'm sure we'll ask about like the trials and tribulations of midterm rentals, but I mean, I want to know who are midterm rentals not a good fit for. Obviously they're a good fit for you, but it's not for every landlord or property manager out there. For sure, definitely not for everybody. um I would say the people who it's not for. So I'll explain who it's not for and then the people who nod their head yes would be like, okay, definitely not gonna do this and the people, whatever. So oftentimes midterm rentals. get last minute bookings because again sometimes I mean a lot of the time the travel nurses the construction jobs the families relocate a lot of the stuff is last minute so if I have my calendar completely empty and I have zero bookings in the future and Like this is what I often tell owners who want me to basically run their property for them. I say, if I have your property and it's completely empty in the future, no bookings, no revenue on the books coming in. And I tell you, I want you to wait two to three weeks. Mm-mm. before you start freaking out and they're like, no, I need to see something. I need to make sure that we have some booking like today. Then I'm like, listen, this isn't for you because especially when you first started out and you have like, no. If you start the booking today, you're going to have no bookings and it may take two to three weeks to get your first renter in there. So for people who want to see absolute, you know, guaranteed stuff on the books in the future, like you would with a long-term rental. Like if you have a 12 month lease with somebody, you can kind of feel relaxed for the most part for the next 12 months, or even for a short-term rental, like a traditional Airbnb, you'll have like a weekend stay in two weeks from now, maybe another weekend, say four weeks from now. And for some people that makes them feel better. But for midterms, I'm not taking a short weekend stay a month in advance so it's either I have a solid midterm rental renter in place or it's completely empty and for some people they get super nervous about that because they're like oh my god what if it never gets booked and if that's the you you then I would say don't do midterm rentals but if you're okay with a little bit of uncertainty for hitting a jackpot of a three or six month booking then I would say great then it is for you Sure. Do you think it's a wise place for some people? We talked to lot of landlords that encourage people to house hack and then get into the real estate world, maybe buy a couple properties, like start out small, right? Like probably jumping into midterm rentals right away might be like a bit of a, like not like a, you might be a little overzealous kind of jumping right into that world so quickly, but like having other guaranteed income is probably a good place to be as well. Yeah, I mean, think house hacking is a phenomenal strategy. And if someone's going to do that, by all means, I think that's great. If they do it in a duplex or a triplex where they're going to live in one unit, rent out the others, the midterm rentals, you could do that in one of the units or whatever. But also too, the reason why I explained it the way I did is because I don't want to make it sound like you're just going to get booked 12 months of the year. Everything's going be rainbows and sunshine and whatever. But the reality is, if you run a midterm rental, even if you're vacant for the first month, which to me has honestly has never happened. Like usually while I'm setting up a unit before the furniture is even finished, I'll take pictures of my phone. I'll list it. And the last couple of properties I've done, I've gotten it booked before I've even finished the property. But it's just the idea that, you got to be uncomfortable with a little bit of, you know, They can see if you will. And then also too, once you do hit that jackpot of a three to six month booking, which could happen the day you get it listed, it could also happen within a month you get it listed. The money you're going to make from that, if you run the numbers correctly and you price it correctly, you're going to be making significantly more money than a long term rental. So. I wouldn't say beginners like rookie real estate investors shouldn't do midterm rentals. I wouldn't say that because at the end of the day, for me personally, I would rather have like six months booked at double long-term rental rates versus 12 months booked at half the price. If that makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. So with all midterm rentals then, I'm assuming you have to furnish everything or do you just provide bare bones furnishing? Like how does that work? Yeah. So it's basically furnished for like, I say fully furnished. And what that means is you have to think about if a family or somebody is going to move in there and live there as if it was their house for six months, which is quite a bit of time. So we're furnishing everything. Um, we're talking beds, nightstands, like you walk in and you're like, this is a house I can, I can live in. Yeah. plates, all that stuff too. silverware, plates, coffee machine, we're supplying the toilet paper. It's almost like a, like we're supplying the same things as like, guess, a hotel would, in a way. Like we're supplying the towels, except since it's a house, we have a kitchen, and then we have pots and pans. We have like literally all of those things. yeah. so basically a midterm is sort of like an Airbnb. It's just trying to book those people out as long as possible at Airbnb prices, sort of. Is that kind of the strategy? Exactly the one difference though, because when people think about Airbnb's or furnishing Airbnb's a lot of the times they're like hot tubs, murals on the wall, cool amenities. That's not what we're doing with midterm rentals. We're providing all the basics that a traditional vacation rental I guess would offer. The only difference is we don't have those fancy amenities and they're really not needed for midterm rentals, which is good because it helps us save cost on the front end of getting the unit ready. And then also, too, like you mentioned, we're trying to charge pretty close to short-term rental prices. when all works out, it's really good because we're saving money on the front end and charging very similar prices. Right, right, I gotcha. um stuff on the inside. I'm curious about the property itself, right? You mentioned that you have a few of these, you manage them. If you, Bailey, were about to go out and acquire your next property, what kind of property would you be looking for? What works best for these kind of midterm rentals? if you avoid specific kinds of properties, I'm curious about all that. For sure. So I have properties that are like I have a wide range I would say. I have properties that are three bedrooms, one bathroom. I have three bedrooms, two bathrooms, two bedrooms, one bathroom. I have one bed, one bath units. So I pretty much have like a variety and a wide mix. So it's hard to say like just focus on this one property. What I would say is the different property sizes are going to attract different people. So for example, one bed, one bath. those are, that's going to be like very specific people like travel nurses, for example, or a single construction person would rent that place. So that, like, that's like my, One bed, one bath units, perfect for those people. My bigger properties, three bedrooms, two bathrooms, those are great for families. Those are great for construction crews if it's like a group of people staying at one time. um Sometimes higher paid traveling doctors will stay at my bigger properties as well. So if I had to give you like one answer right now, I would say three bedrooms, two bathrooms is probably. is going to give you the most variety of people who are willing to stay there. almost every single size property is going to work, it's just going to attract different people. Sure. Well, if all these different places attract different kinds of people, is there one that you're like, I'm not touching that with a 10-foot pole then? not really to be honest, just because I think having a little bit of little bit of diversity like isn't bad with units. So like I have like my one bed, one bath option option to have my three bedroom options. So I think it's nice to have a variety. um I would say, yeah. And quick question. So what about like location? Because I'm wondering, is like a more urban, like close to the downtown of a city environment, is that good for midterms? Is more like suburbia more attractive for people looking for midterm rentals? Like, is that something that you think about? Yeah. So my properties personally are in like. secondary or tertiary markets and to what that means is they're not in like your, your name brand cities. So for example, like, I don't like to, I don't like to give this specific location to my cities personally, but just as an example, if we're talking about like, I mean, I'm currently in Denver, Colorado. So if I'm talking about Denver, like that's like everyone's, I mean, not everybody, most people have heard of Denver, Colorado, right? Right. Exactly. Yeah. invite them on the show, but email questions at the rentage pod. If you don't know what Denver is, please. Denver is, we've got other issues. But like, that's like a primary market because that's a market that you'd expect everyone to know. Now. sports team, basically, that's not a market you're interested in. Okay. Correct. If I like to be in markets where the people like using Denver as an example, if there's a market or city, like an hour away from Denver that most people in Denver have heard of, but people who don't live in Denver haven't really heard of, those are the markets that I'm more interested in. So these are markets that are like an hour away from the bigger city that people in other towns or other states like probably don't know of. If that makes sense. Yeah, so somewhere where a working individual might want to live. It's not like, for example, maybe a shorter term rental, a bigger city, like New York, for example, or something that might be attractive for that. But somebody who's a traveling nurse might be living in one more of a suburb sort of setting. Is that kind of the idea? Yeah. Basically it's, it's not going to be a, a destination, like a vacation destination market. Like people come to Denver for work, for fun, for a lot of things, but an hour outside of Denver, not including like the ski towns, obviously, but like just some random town an hour away. People aren't just going to those random towns, like for fun. It's usually like work or, you know, the hospital says like traveling nurses for hospital stuff like that. no, that makes perfect sense. Midterm rental in the middle of Rocky Mountain National Park. That's like a snowy cabin. It's like, are you just perfect environment for a travel nurse? Just bring them on up. You got to get a cross country ski to get to the nearest hospital. Yeah. also too, it's not to say that like Denver, just using that as an example still, Denver will work as a midterm rental. Um, it's just that when you have a market that is also a vacation market. it becomes a lot harder because there's so many more options in that city. like Denver, if you look on like Airbnb, which is just the easiest site to go to and you look up, you know, properties available for Denver in the next. two months, like if someone wanted to stay for two months starting today, there's going to be a lot of options because some of those options are going to be short-term rental hosts who just literally have an empty calendar, but their properties are still going to pop up in the search because they're empty and their dates happen to be available for midterm stay. There's going to also be other hosts in Denver who strictly list their properties for 30 night minimums, but they're still going to be thrown in with a mix of the short-term stays, which just makes it a little bit tougher but if again the city's an hour outside there's not many people doing honestly either short-term rental or mid-term rental so usually less competition on those markets that are outside the city. Cool. uh I do want to ask about the tenants, uh the kind of tenants that you guys get for midterm rentals. We talk a lot with a lot of our guests that come on the pod about uh important steps to make sure that, I mean, you're entering into a lease agreement with these people just like a long-term tenant would be. And a lot of things that our guests tend to stress is the importance of tenants screening. um I want to know what are the subtleties and the differences of like, do you even go through a tenant screening process for a midterm rental? Like, how do you go about doing that? That's a really good question. And I would say my opinion on this has shifted over time. So I'll tell you where I'm at now, which is if someone's booking through Airbnb, which It ranges month to month. Honestly, it could be 25 % to 50 % of my bookings will come through Airbnb. I do not require leases, background checks or anything through Airbnb. I actually was just talking to someone yesterday who was struggling to get their midterm rentals booked and I looked at their Airbnb listing and I'm not saying this is the only reason there were some other factors too, but on the bottom of their listing they had as other things to note, you must provide me your ID, employment contract, your, you need to do a background check. There's a utility cap. And I'm like, I would never book a property like that, especially on Airbnb because for the most part, at least Airbnb's I booked, you're not looking for like the host who has a million rules. Obviously there's certain rules which like obviously make sense. But then there's other rules where it's like, I'm just trying to stay here for three months. I'm not looking to have utility caps and this and this. The whole reason why you book through Airbnb is for the ease of booking. So when people book through Airbnb, I don't do anything. Like no requirements. When people book with me off platform, whether they find me on Furnishfinder, whether they find me through other means, I will sometimes do a background check. So one of the audiences that I don't do a background check on, which maybe I should, so I'm not necessarily recommending you don't, but I don't personally, are the traveling nurses. I can pretty much tell how much money they're getting paid. I can tell, you know, if they are a doctor or a nurse, maybe I have a too good of a preconceived notion about them. Um, and I have run into trouble with that once, by the way, with the traveling nurse, but for the most part, they're people who are going to be paying the rent on time. You already know they're employed. So for the most part, I am not doing checks on those types of people, not that you shouldn't, but that's just me. Well, it makes sense. I'm sure there's people that approach it in many different ways. I figure it's one of those things. You got to figure out what works best for you. just depends on how, you know, what kind of a person you are, guess, like how you want to manage it. So that makes sense. For sure. also too, I'm also like for my traveling nurses, for example, I'm doing my own checks with the checks on them online. I'm doing like reverse searches on their phone number, looking at their primary. I can, I can look up their information and get a, and have a feeling. Are they legit or does it seem fishy? If it's fishy for whatever reason, then sure. I can throw a background check at them. makes sense. like the idea there is you don't want to have like a high risk situation, but you also don't want to have like a super high barrier of entry. Like you want people to like find your booking easy to like to get into, like not a hassle. That's kind of the idea with midterm rentals. Yeah. one other thing to throw on top of that is I'm also nine times out of 10 calling them. Actually, I say almost every time, but yeah, calling them over the phone and having a conversation. So someone reaches out through furnish finder, I'll call them up and I'll be like, Hey, just saw your inquiry come through and just like have a conversation with them. Like what brings you to the area and just get a feel for them. Talk to them, build some rapport. And to me that goes farther than just like, Hey, here's a background check. And yeah. I gotcha. sometimes, do you ever get the, hear that you're like, that sounds like a chat. That sounds like an AI voice. Yeah. Okay. So the AI hasn't gotten that far to trick us with the phone, over the phone screenings yet. Sure. I want to ask you a couple, I know we're, getting close to the end of the time here that we get with you today, Bailey, but I did want to ask about. scaling your business, obviously, like, you've decided to grow without having partners, you've got you've done this whole thing like solo, I'm curious about like, why you chose to do that? Do you do prefer to do that? I mean, I know that we get a lot of people on this, on this pod that talk about having a group of people or like team members that they work with. But I'm curious to hear about your experience as a as a unique individual. For sure. So when I kind of mentioned in beginning how I was in college when I started, I had no money, no experience, and I partnered with somebody for the first six properties that I bought, which I no longer own. the properties, the 10 units I currently own, all me, and I don't have any partners. I sold the properties I did. It's a very long story, which I won't share the full thing, but I had a very bad experience with that first partnership. um The first few deals, the first six deals, were great until you start learning things you didn't quite know about how they operate, their morals, their values, that kind of thing. so since then I sold and I was pretty much like... I don't know because of that bad experience. I said, you know what? I'm just going to buy properties by myself. Now I will say even though I had a bad experience with that first partnership, I still learned so much on the real estate side and I don't know if I would have been ready. I don't know. I don't mean hindsight. You know, you never know. I don't know how I would have bought a property completely by myself without having any prior experience. That would have been daunting. So I'm very happy I got the experience I did partnering with people. So I don't necessarily recommend people don't have to take on partners because again, I don't know if I'd be here without the experience, but because I had a bad experience, I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to go sell out this. don't want any partners and I've been extremely firm on that because I have had people offer me, Hey, I've got some capital. I'd love to do a partner, you know, do a deal with you. No, thank you. Not worth it. At least right now I might change my mind in the future, but yeah, I just don't want that headache right now. Okay. That's cool. I mean, you got to do what works best for you. And there's a million different landlords out there with a million different protocols and procedures and how they like to go about things. So it just makes sense. It's just interesting to hear your perspective because most people we talk to are like team oriented. So it's cool to hear that someone's had had success just being, you know, on their own. For sure. Yeah, and I think honestly, like if that first partnership went super well, maybe I would also be team oriented. maybe that would have changed my perspective for the better. And I also know like, of course, there's good people to partner with out there. It's just, yeah, not for me right now. got it. Well, before we get out of here, um I did want to ask you, I mean, there's plenty of resources out there. You mentioned bigger pockets. You mentioned some of the ways that got you into property management, but you also uh manage a YouTube channel and you give out advice and talk about details about your strategies and your structures and all that to people out there. So give the people a chance to figure out like where to find you, what resources you would recommend, anything you want to share. For sure. So on the YouTube front, like you mentioned, I have a playlist on my YouTube channel and you can just look up Bailey Kramer. I should pop up and I have a playlist with, want to say over 130 videos specifically about midterm rentals. It's basically a free course on YouTube essentially that can if someone's just starting out just trying to understand the different You know what midterm rentals all about and then also I get into very specific stuff on there, too And I even have a call recording with a with a lead on furnace grinder that I mentioned Which is kind of cool. You can listen to that. So that's a great place to start for people who are interested in videos um I have an Instagram as well. You can look up my name Bailey Kramer should pop up as well And I'm I share kind of shorter clips and shorter tidbits on there. But yeah, those are probably the best two places to start. Okay, right on. Yeah, I'm sure that if you check the episode description, our lovely producers will put that information there as well so that people can go out and find you. Did you have a resource that isn't you that you would recommend? Something that you're like, is it big? I mean, we have so many people recommend bigger pockets all the time where they're like, use it, it's great resource, especially if you're just getting in. Is there anything you'd like to shout out there? Yeah, I mean, I think for just general real estate, just trying to understand all the different, because there's so many different routes you can go, midterm, short term, long term, section eight, you name it. I think Bigger Pockets does a good job of. just kind of overall sharing bits about it. And then once somebody kind of figures out what rental strategy they want to get to, then I think going more specific, like diving deeper into specific resources. And same thing with like this podcast, since you guys interview so many different types of investors, like, maybe they'll hear someone say section eight and that'll click with them and then they'll kind of go down the section eight rabbit hole or maybe midtermentals clicks with somebody and then going down that rabbit hole. yeah. Cool, okay, well Bailey, I think your wealth of knowledge and your insight stunned my co-host Patrick so much that his wifi decided to just jump right out of its socket. So um it's been a pleasure talking with you. We really appreciate you having you on the show and I'm sure I speak for all of us that said we'd love to have you back sometime to hang out and chat with us. For sure. Thank you so much, Zach. And thank you so much, Patrick. Yeah, thanks again. Remember, fans out there, follow the show, whatever podcast service that you use, you can go to Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your shows, search for the Rentish Podcast and you can find us. Give us a like, give us a review, give us a rating. Email questions at therentishpod.com with your real estate and property management questions. ah If you have any questions for Bailey, feel free to shoot us an email and I'm sure Musay will do his job and get it to him at some point or I don't know if that's even Musay's job, but I'm sure he'll do something there or the other, but. Thank you guys for listening again to the episode. It's been a really fun one until next time I've been Zack that's been Patrick. He can't his Wi-Fi came right on back You have anything left to say before I end the show buddy? You missed everything it was great. It was glorious No, it's okay You did it you did good buddy. All right. Well, thank you all for listening and we'll see you next time