Lore & Legend: Rockerline Alfred Coleman Talks Cryptids, Games, Working for Smosh & The Art of Starting Over

What happens when your brain won't stop creating? For Rockerline Alfred Coleman - editor at Smosh, card game creator, and self-described project starter - the answer is simple: you learn to embrace the beautiful chaos.

In this captivating conversation, Rockerline reveals the journey from hiding his unique first name as a child to proudly embodying it as part of his creative identity. With refreshing candor, he shares the winding path that led him from ambitious film student to established YouTube editor, including walking uninvited into production studios, working multiple jobs while pursuing his dreams, and finally landing at Smosh. But achieving that dream job was just the beginning.

Rockerline's story illuminates the particular challenges and gifts of the  creative mind. We explore how excess energy manifests through stimming behaviors and how creative projects can provide healthy outlets for expression. He offers invaluable insight into developing discipline to complete projects while maintaining the freedom to experiment across different creative domains. From card games to hot sauce, Rockerline demonstrates how pursuing unexpected passions can be the key to genuine fulfillment.

Perhaps most powerful is Rockerline's advice to "get into a business that you have no business being in" - an approach that has repeatedly led him to discover new facets of his creativity. This conversation isn't just about one person's creative journey; it's about giving yourself permission to explore widely, fail occasionally, and find the unique combination of projects that truly fill your cup. Whether you're neurodivergent or simply searching for creative fulfillment, Rockerline's perspective will inspire you to embrace curiosity and follow your creative instincts, wherever they may lead.

Transcript

Meet Rockerline Alfred Coleman

Jaxon 0:00

Hey everyone and welcome to the Neurof**k Podcast . I'm your host , Jaxon Rosa , and over here we have Hayley Olivia Wonderful . Well , let's not waste any of your precious time , let's get right to the episode . Hit it , Terance .

Jerreal 0:14

It's time for Neurof**k Podcast with your host , Jaxon Rosa , that mischievous motherf**ker . Hayley Olivia , what's your name , girl ? You on the spectrum and Terance . We've got autism , adhd , ocd , all the D's . We've got stories and artists from all walks of life . It's time to get fucked Neurologically .

Jaxon 0:44

How do you want me to introduce you Like , what do you want me to just Editor at ?

Hayley 0:47

Smosh , creator of Dungeons and Dragons , and how do you want me to say your full ?

Jaxon 0:52

name . How do I say your full name ?

Rockerline 0:53

in this it's Rockerline Alfred Coleman . Rockerline Did .

Hayley 0:58

I say Rockefeller before you did , because it's funny .

Rockerline 1:03

Rockerline , rockerline , alfred Rocker line . Alfred Coleman .

Jaxon 1:07

Alfred Coleman yeah , Rocker line Alfred Coleman yes .

Hayley 1:10

Rocker line Alfred Coleman . I've been mentally saying Rockefeller , Okay , let me Okay , excuse me . I'm trying to get it right on the first try Rocker line , Alfred Coleman .

Jaxon 1:20

No , I just act annoyed again . It's a bit . I do it for the bit You're great .

Hayley 1:24

I feel like there was so much truth to the joke .

Jaxon 1:28

No , there is . But like . Hey everyone and welcome to the Neurofucked Podcast . I'm your host , Jaxon Rosa . Over here we have Haley Olivia . Give it up for Haley , hello , hello , hello , hello , the sweet and lovely Haley Olivia .

Hayley 1:44

And now Wait , but is that it ?

Jaxon 1:46

Well , we've already talked about you . You've been in this five .

Jerreal 1:53

I know we have so many intros .

Hayley 1:54

They don't know who I am .

Jaxon 1:56

This is not about us anymore . This is about our guest today . Give it up for Rockerline Alfred Coleman III .

Rockerline 2:05

The second , oh , the second , kind of it's muddy , it's a muddy thing . I like how he rolls out of his chair like that .

Jaxon 2:12

I think we need some wrestler music .

Rockerline 2:15

The attention gives me power .

Jaxon 2:17

I think , okay , how about we just start with the name ?

Rockerline 2:20

Okay yeah , let's get into it . Tell us about that , okay , so Terance knows this from knowing me . Since what ? We didn't go to high school together . No , okay , I met you guys in college College , okay . So I didn't know . My first name was Rockerline until I was 18 years old , so I always went by Alfred Coleman in Kissimmee , florida , where I grew up .

Hayley 2:47

You were lied to , I was basically so I was .

Rockerline 2:52

I was always prone to getting into fights as a kid , so my mom did not put Rockerline as my first name , because for some reason it's a it's a West African name , Very interesting . She didn't want kids to make fun of me and therefore me to punch them in the face .

Jaxon 3:08

but rocker line is such a dope name thank you and it's a .

Rockerline 3:13

It's a family name on my dad's side , yeah , so his middle name is rocker line as well that's really cool .

Hayley 3:18

I feel like if you start a music that's why you're the second kind of it's like a pseudo second .

Jaxon 3:23

I was just joking about the third .

Jerreal 3:24

I just thought it would sound cool .

Jaxon 3:27

They thought it would sound cool . Yeah , well , that's because I actually had a name that I was not named , they switched to my middle name . I was nameless for two weeks as a child .

Hayley 3:36

That happens a lot , Jaxon , that explains so much .

Jaxon 3:39

It does . It does A lot of deep psychological wounds . But my name was . My dad had M names , right , so it was going to be like my sister's Molly . There was Mike and Max half brothers , and my dad was adamant he wanted to name me Meyer , m-e-y-e-r as a first name , like a Jewish grandfather , like Oscar .

Rockerline 4:01

Meyer yeah , like Oscar Meyer , wiener Like .

Jaxon 4:03

Meyer the liar , meyer the crier . Like Meyer pants on fire .

Hayley 4:07

Did they really think about it and go , hmm ?

Jaxon 4:09

No , he didn't think about it . My mom went and fought him on this . She was like this is not going to happen . Her friend was like she gossiped with her friend about it and she's like , yeah , what is he going to be named the first 80 years of his life ? Hold on , how do you feel about the name Meyer ? I didn't . I'm glad that they went Jaxon .

Jerreal 4:25

Okay .

Rockerline 4:26

Yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .

Jaxon 4:27

I'm so glad that they did , because I already have enough to deal with growing up it was enough to like and then to have the name added on top of that . So they did me a solid . They moved it to my middle name . Okay , they compromised , they went . The birth certificate made sure you know Wait .

Hayley 4:42

so they had the birth certificate and everything already .

Jaxon 4:44

Yeah , they just left the name blank . You're allowed to do that oh blank .

Hayley 4:47

It happens a lot .

Rockerline 4:49

You're allowed to do that If you're ever put in that situation and you don't want to rush it and make big mistakes for your child's future , then yeah , Well , actually if you guys were lucky enough to ever have a kid , what would you name it ? What would you name it ? Because I love a real interesting name . You know my first name's Rockerline . Yeah , Well , tell us , yours first . I always wanted to . If I had a girl , I would name it Regalia , regalia , regalia , regalia . A regalia is a proof of royalty , so , like a crown , a scepter a ring . I fucking love that name .

Jaxon 5:27

Regalia Interesting . Yeah , I would like , I think . And then Reggie for short . Yeah , Reggie for short . You know , Like that's I think sometimes , like there is a point in time where you got the professional like they didn't want to name me Jack . They said Jaxon because it's actually sounded more like like professional , Like you could put it in something you also have to think about the repercussions of the name you choose and the nicknames people choose for you .

Rockerline 5:52

You got to blow through all the nicknames in your head as well . Yeah , you're like okay .

Hayley 5:55

What could they possibly call them that we don't want ?

Rockerline 5:57

Yeah .

Hayley 5:58

That is like no , no , no .

Jaxon 6:05

I'm trying to wrap it up , so I'm not trying to think about that right now . That's true , but okay , so let's get back on track .

The Story Behind the Name

Jaxon 6:10

So you got a cool fucking name , that's a first off rocker line fucking yeah , just start a band .

Rockerline 6:20

I start enough things in my life . I do , god . Not only am I an editor for Smosh . If you guys at home are over what ? The age of 20 or whatever , you should know these guys . We know Smosh we love Smosh From way back in the day .

Hayley 6:38

There are so many people under Smosh that I'm sure a lot of people of younger generations would know too .

Rockerline 6:44

Yeah smosh that I'm sure a lot of um people , of younger generations would know too .

Hayley 6:46

Because , yeah , I found that a lot of younger generations are looking at what our generation was obsessed with and going . They had the right idea because they all seem to like have all this memorabilia and all these shirts like I see people walking in who are like 10 years old with avatar the last airbender and I'm like speaking of missy I , I have an air nomad tattoo right here my brother has the fire nation tattoo in the same

Hayley 7:14

spot , Terance got a I was there when he got that one and you have all four elements on your back , yes , let's go .

Rockerline 7:22

What does that ?

Jaxon 7:22

mean we need an earthbender . I'm a virgo is that earth ?

Rockerline 7:28

Jaxon no you're disappointing me so much is

Hayley 7:31

that an earth element .

Jaxon 7:32

You should get it . I should get it . No , I'm not a big fan , I'm not a fan of much about it . No , I know I've watched some of it , it's just here's the thing . I'll let you guys fill me in on all that for sure stuff , I'm what . You were so dismissive , by the way , it was like no Jaxon , no it's not yours I'm a fan , I'm a real fan , and you won't ruin this for me , um but yeah , so that's cool smosh , I do that .

Rockerline 7:56

Um , I started my own card game company , cryptic games . I released two games this year . Um , the third one is a halloween themed one , so that's going to be in october . Um , and then literally , uh , a week ago , I was like I'm just gonna make my own hot sauce , so I'm like starting to do that I'm really excited .

Jaxon 8:16

I love hot sauces , by the way , so I'm if you get a chance , if you're making them and need taste testers , let me know I got a whole bunch someone to draw a design .

Hayley 8:24

I already .

Rockerline 8:25

Fortunately , I have a design and I I know how to clip art like a motherfucker . So I paid for canva and I just , and I just fucking go because it there's so much to work around yeah accidentally do something wrong and then you have to pay for the . That's how they get you to pay for the thing I pay for premium already .

Jaxon 8:47

Oh well then , you're fine , I already pay for photoshop so no photoshop , so it's fine .

Rockerline 8:52

This is why I like that you guys are doing this . As a guy who starts a lot of stuff , I have a lot of stuff that I've failed in too . I had a clothing business that hasn't exactly gotten to where I need it to be , hey .

Jaxon 9:06

Jaxon , is it sitting in the ? Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah . No , this is what do you mean ? Oh , I don't have a clothing . What are you talking about ? I don't have a clothing business . What do you mean ? You have a clothing .

Hayley 9:16

I don't have a clothing line . No , I don't , it's just merch yeah , he's just trying to make it look bad . Merch is different . Merch is like band merch , like music merch . We have a bit of dissonance between us right now I feel like we're just disagreeing to disagree to this specific topic .

Rockerline 9:35

No , I might have to like scale down to , to it just being like certain items and stuff like that , because now I have like shades in my apartment that are just like sitting there and a bunch of designs that are like really cool but do you feel like nowhere to put them .

Jaxon 9:47

So you're basically , you're kind of like me . In a lot of ways you're a self-starter yeah you start a lot of projects . It is they're all in these very niche industries . Right , you got the game stuff which it seems like you're very passionate about . You've already finished those yeah , those are out yeah , so do you find that you're really like you've gotten the in the groove of the game , building and developing those types of things ?

Rockerline 10:09

it . So the funny thing is , um , someone told me is like when you make your first game , it's not gonna do well , like very few people actually make a game for the first time and it blows up like cards against humanity . Um , I can say that it's their first game . It probably wasn't . They probably did a couple things on the side here and there , but as far as like mass appeal , that's it right . So my , the first game that I created was a um court of cryptids and that was going to be like my , my pokemon-esque kind of is it like ?

Hayley 10:43

shapeshifter pokemon I like that name , court of cryptids . Yeah , like bigfoot and block nest monster .

Rockerline 10:50

I created original cryptids like that wasn't like big . There is a bigfoot uh guy in there , but he's modeled after donkey kong and he has like gun , can't like tree cannons on his arm and shit . It's's a fun game . It's just that I did too much in the process of making the game . I forgot about the fun of it and I was like mechanics . Yeah , let's talk about that a little bit actually Missing the fun in things .

Hayley 11:21

Talking about , because I know you mentioned a lot about not finishing things .

Rockerline 11:26

Right .

Hayley 11:26

And I know

Creative Projects and Self-Starting

Hayley 11:28

for myself I had so much trouble growing up completing anything . I would get so excited and I would create , create , create , create , but I would never fully finish something before hopping to something else .

Rockerline 11:41

Yeah .

Hayley 11:41

And it took a long time .

Rockerline 11:44

It's a lot of discipline that you have to like put on yourself , especially for creative people like us who just if you have an idea , you jump into that idea and then it's like , okay , now that this is on , the cooler I can like start something else and it's like , no , you gotta , sometimes you gotta keep that cool thing .

Hayley 12:00

Yeah , restart the kindle , like get it going again , you know , make it hot again so how did you um , what exactly did you do to find your way to that , um , to building that , um consistency and actually completing ? Finishing the job , yeah because I know you got there too , like both of you have gotten there .

Rockerline 12:25

So for the first game , that was a full year's process . I didn't touch anything else for an entire year , which is rare for me because I would have done four other things during that year and so I really buckled down . I set aside a savings for that specific game because I knew I wanted original art and I had to pay for that . And by the end of that year I had had a prototype , I had the box art ready , I had everything going and then I was like , okay , year number two , I could start doing the second game , which only took me three months to create because I had already gone through the entire process of making something first . And now I'm like , okay , okay , I get it now , I understand it now .

Jaxon 13:08

You took a look at it as the timeline and the workflow of the tasks you had to do . Yeah , and condensed it , yeah , it's like I think it's almost like because you have the background of being an editor . So if you think about everything in that linear fashion , you know like , hey , like if I have this and then I need this , then I need this , you know editors are workflow people , Linearly though for all of us I can say it's hard to accomplish , and especially , I know , for me .

Hayley 13:40

I've finally come to a place where I can organize my thoughts and get somewhere , but not linearly . I don't think I ever will be able to do it that way . I'm always like and we're going to take a little side journey over here .

Jerreal 13:56

We're going to do this .

Hayley 13:58

And I know you're always like all right this way .

Jaxon 14:02

I'm like basically like to survive . I say one thing at a time , right , and it's not like I don't have multiple things going on , but it's like in that , for that project , yeah , it's a piece by piece , build by build .

Hayley 14:16

Situation well , it's this mantra that you've created for yourself , because you've had that issue too , yeah , and you've , like , developed this way to keep that discipline and consistency within yourself . It doesn't mean like you're 100% always able or capable of doing that , but as long as most of the time you can , yeah .

Rockerline 14:37

And to bring it back to like the podcast itself that's why I was like this is good Because , like you guys have each other .

Jerreal 14:45

A lot of like I was saying off camera .

Rockerline 14:47

I was like a lot of the issues that I have with my projects is that I'm by myself doing these things and so it's easy for me to just jump to another thing . But if you guys have each other , you guys keep each other on track and you don't have to jump everywhere . Even if you have other ideas , you can always just bring it back to this .

Hayley 15:05

Well , all of us too . Like , we're always like , we also have a lot of understanding for each other and how our brain works and what we need . That's might be different from other people who aren't like on the spectrum or things like that .

Jaxon 15:21

So it's kind of cool .

Hayley 15:22

Yeah , yeah , a lot more patience , like , and it creates this really nice environment Like none of us are being paid to do this right now , yeah , but it's also made it more possible to make it happen when we keep that discipline but also not going over the line between between pushing ourselves too hard , yeah .

Jaxon 15:52

So okay , so you've been developing these games . You feel like you got better the second time around , yeah .

Jaxon 15:58

You got more efficient with how you built it . You mentioned something about Cards Against Humanity and how you felt it . You mentioned something about cards against humanity and how you feel like the marketability . Tell us about how you kind of like . Is there any lessons to take away from that ? And and do you feel like having a game that's sell , like a selling game that sells , yeah , versus like the thing that you've like fixated on , uh , what's , what are the ? What's the difference between those two things ?

Rockerline 16:22

so that's a good . That's a good question , because the first game that I made was definitely just like a passion thing . That was literally just for , like me , to show my friends that I can do this , yeah , um , and , more importantly , myself like never , never do anything for other people in that regard to just like show off , like do it for you , um , so I proved that's good , though .

Rockerline 16:42

Do it for you , yeah so I proved that I can do it to me right the second time around . I learned that you have to put more money into advertisement than you do the actual product like it's a thing . That's just the nature of just like selling things . If you want to actually make money off of this stuff um , and I did not have that money to- pump back in .

Jaxon 17:05

You saved up for the artwork and the creation of it yeah . Same thing with album releases , same thing with indie music releases . I'm working on my next record right now and grouping of songs and I know if I release it too soon .

Rockerline 17:18

Yeah .

Jaxon 17:20

What's that last 50% of the project , the marketing , the last 50% ? It could have felt like I took a freaking boulder up the hill to create this actual , like the arrangements and the drums and the music and all the playing , but like , and you think , as an artist , you're like , there we go . It's the work .

Rockerline 17:38

It's the finished work . It'll speak for itself .

Jaxon 17:39

It's like no , no , no , next 50% . The work is never over . No , no , no , next 50% , the work is never over . Just make it as good as you can make it , but then be patient with yourself , because the moment you release in the world , it's released into the world .

Rockerline 17:52

And that's why you see so many cheap things being marketed to you , because they got them out so quickly and all that money that they were putting towards that is now going towards the marketing of it all . It's like you could have used that money that you're using for marketing for this month to make the product better , but now I have a product that tastes kind of .

Jaxon 18:13

And be . Yeah , it's a reason to be patient with yourself and like we don't want to be a Tema Temu project .

Jerreal 18:18

Yeah .

Jaxon 18:18

Like we don't want to make this podcast , like , oh , it's like , oh , you can just get it . You can just order it fast . Gamble away on prize picks , it's fun .

Hayley 18:30

Can we go back to the first thing you learned when you started the games .

Jerreal 18:37

Yeah .

Hayley 18:38

Creating the games . What was the first thing you said that you learned ?

Rockerline 18:42

Oh sorry , I feel like we've been through like 50 things since then . Uh , the first thing I learned , um , well , it , it wasn't something . It was and I will probably like I'll probably hear this later or before in the in the episode but it really wasn't anything that I learned . It's just my , my personality to to just get out there and and do something . A lot of , a lot of my friends ask me why I do anything , because it's like I jump from thing to thing , and I think that if you are a creative person , you owe it to yourself to try everything that pops into your mind , because you never know what those things could become yeah .

Hayley 19:35

I think too , when you say that when I was younger , I don't know if you had the same issue is you were known as the person that had so many ideas , but then it would start frustrating people because they're like all right , here's another big grand idea when is ? It going to go . I know it frustrated my parents a lot , because I feel like you had like a very big imagination as well , because the things that you come up with are like you kind of have to .

Jaxon 20:04

So I definitely frustrated the people around me , but like actually , Jaxon , oh you weren't done yet . There's an example . But like anyway , well , no , I thought you were done . Okay , no , go on .

Jerreal 20:18

There's an example .

Jaxon 20:19

But , like anyway , I thought you were done , go on .

Hayley 20:25

You were salty today .

Jaxon 20:26

I am very salty you were bringing the salts today . Yeah .

Hayley 20:31

I'm bringing the salts , the peppers , the hot sauce .

Jaxon 20:33

No , I was just interjecting Like naturally , until you called me out .

Hayley 20:37

It didn't feel natural when you said it like that .

Jaxon 20:39

I felt very natural to me . I was interjecting naturally . I was interrupting , naturally .

Hayley 20:45

I mean this is called neurofuck , so nothing here is going to be like .

Jaxon 20:50

Nothing is going to be normal . We're not going to have a normal sense of .

Hayley 20:52

Okay , let's not call ourselves abnormal .

Jaxon 20:57

We're not going to have decorum that is , on the scale of the average npc that walks around and you know what ?

Rockerline 21:03

and you know what be you to the fullest , be to the fullest exactly let me ask you guys this all being like neurodivergent people starting this podcast what is the major ? Is there any like major issues you've had just with like communicating and working with each other that

Living with Neurodivergence

Rockerline 21:34

some people wouldn't quite understand ? I wouldn't call it like major issues um or just issues in general , like little turning into couples therapy ? Oh yeah , because there's issues with uh with any like group project , um so like honestly , I think that is a good question .

Hayley 21:55

Um on , I love how I'm gonna be the interviewer . Now I'm curious about the behind the scenes . Um , we have like a different , a slightly different idea of how the podcast goes .

Jaxon 22:08

Um that's kind of open to like the direction .

Hayley 22:11

Yeah we're open to the direction . Jaxon very and also you have to keep in mind we all have the tism and there are certain aspects that come with that where you don't want to do someone else's idea . You want it to go a specific way , so we've had to kind of listen to each other a little bit when we're trying to explain certain things .

Hayley 22:36

I've had to learn how to express and explain what I mean to Jaxon , but it's not like we had like big disagreements or fights over anything at all . Um it , we were all really emotionally intelligent , I would say . Um .

Jaxon 22:52

So when it comes to that , yeah , I think for me , yeah , it is a pretty firm boundaries around projects and around like um , especially with setting it up in my space using my equipment . So I want to make sure if we do something we have it scheduled correctly and like I'm very like task master type person , yeah so I want to make sure that .

Jaxon 23:10

But like that , everyone can learn from that too . That's not like um , you don't have to be like perfect um , but yeah , no , it's . Yeah , that's one of the things is just okay . Make sure we , we do it and we set it up so we can do it consistently and don't get burnt out by trying yeah . So it's like want to build into it and be patient with ourselves .

Hayley 23:30

I keep saying that , but it's true , like we were working on different projects and we're doing our thing , we're making a living , trying to and I get , I get really , really excited too yeah like I , I I've allowed myself to become more authentic in my excitement , um , and so they kind of understand that that I , I sometimes I have moments where I'm like yeah and and it looks weird to a lot of people when I do that and and I used to like hide it , like like it's , mask it and everything but like Jaxon will be like all right , so we're gonna do this . I love that you're excited yeah he'll say something that I love .

Hayley 24:12

That you're excited here , all right , but you've gotta wait . Yeah , right here , actually I'm , but we've got to wait until we get this Actually .

Jaxon 24:19

I'm very proud of myself . On the text message , our group chat , we said something to the effect of like I want to do all those content ideas , I want to do all of it . We're going to wait until next year and also , you know , like blah blah . And then I just said I hear you , I see you and I will end you .

Hayley 24:38

He literally said that when I was reading the text I was like I think Jaxon annoyed with me too . He says Jaxon annoyed with me , can you look at this ? And then he said that .

Rockerline 24:47

And then I was like little therapy talk , and then I was like I don't care if he's annoyed with me well you know it's I go .

Jaxon 24:55

I just have a dark sense of humor , so I'll just be and I will end you and I , I'll just be . I say things that will throw people off , but no , I never what the hell was that ? Just be . Is that your telepathy ?

Rockerline 25:09

no , it was something slimy in my coffee was that you Terance ? He already admitted it I feel like we need .

Jaxon 25:18

We need stress balls or something .

Hayley 25:21

I do really do need a stress ball we should give you a little squeezy thing for this podcast .

Jaxon 25:24

You guys should create a neuro-fucked squeezy . Oh , there you go . How about actual balls Like truck nuts Like ?

Rockerline 25:31

truck nuts , yeah , neuro-fucked truck nuts Truck nuts .

Hayley 25:40

Nah , nah . I'm good on the truck nuts . No , but all the girl in the group squeezing the truck nuts we have to blur it not suitable for children's viewing .

Jaxon 25:47

We can start uploading the podcast to Pornhub . I was a little hesitant at first . Haley was actually the one that was even more excited about it . I was excited about the podcast , but I think we have different relationships with how we look at our symptoms and look at our actual autism spectrum disorder . And for me , I'd known since I was seven and I don't have any more shame around it , but I also have experiences around it , Right , and I I know how people have treated me when they know and I know how people have treated me when they don't .

Jaxon 26:26

And at the same , I also was conscientious . I was worried that maybe people would associate me as the autism artist for my music or like as like they'd like to try to pull me into like a categorization bubble . Like Billie Eilish actually has Tourette's yeah Right , but she didn't . They didn't . The press releases weren't like the Tourette's artist , Like that's an .

Jerreal 26:47

AGT thing .

Jaxon 26:52

That's like an America's Got Talent marketing gimmick , like type thing , right , it's like the person with the thing has the thing you know , know it's like so .

Jaxon 26:56

So I was very I was hesitant at first , yeah , but when I realized that like we could actually help shine a light and we could show people , educate people , but show successful people in the their fields we have plenty of people that are getting diagnosed younger now , yeah , younger and younger that need to see like positive um people in their careers , because I think they're getting told but at every moment that they're , that they're different and then they're not going to really fit into the right pocket , yeah , so if everything is for them so like I , I felt very selfish in thinking at the time that I was like I knew you .

Jaxon 27:32

I knew you were too , and then I know I remember the moment where you finally decided all right , let's do it yeah but that was one of my things was like I don't want to make it , I want to have fun with it and we'll bring these things up and if it gets deep in a conversation , we get really deep , it's going to be great . But if we can make it light and we can make it like like low pressure I don't want people to feel pressure .

Hayley 28:06

That's also where we get a little bit of dissonance , because I'm naturally very , very I can get very deep and it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable . But he spent all his life knowing he was on the spectrum . So that's why we're kind of different in how we approach things .

Jaxon 28:21

Well , I just don't want to be preachy . I think that's the .

Jerreal 28:24

Thing .

Jaxon 28:25

Haley's very like I've been preaching my whole life , like like I had enough opportunities to explain autism to people . Haley's in that phase right now where she's like like kind of it's an exciting thing .

Rockerline 28:44

It's a little more of an exciting I don't want to say exciting discovery . Yes , I'm so excited .

Hayley 28:46

It's more like a , it's like a new side of you . It's a new that it's a side of . It's a side of you . Well , because it is different when you figure out when you're almost 30 years old yeah , yeah that when all your life you were walking around with people thinking you were odd , you just didn't have anything to describe or put a name to it To explain it . Yeah , and people just thought you were weird , yeah .

Jaxon 29:04

And .

Jerreal 29:05

I'm like okay .

The Podcast Origin Story

Rockerline 29:07

So is there anyone in your life who doesn't know that you're on the spectrum , that this podcast will reveal that you are to them .

Jaxon 29:15

Probably just some acquaintances here and there .

Rockerline 29:17

Yeah For .

Jaxon 29:17

the most part , I'm really open about it . It's one of those things where I think that it's important for people to know , but they don't have to . They don't have to .

Rockerline 29:29

This isn't like a big coming out kind of thing , we're just talking about it .

Jaxon 29:35

There will probably be guests from time to time who feel like it is their coming out thing , and that's where we have to kind of balance a line we did have a guest , one of our first guests .

Hayley 29:43

It was the first time she was publicly saying she was like ADT or anything like that .

Jaxon 29:48

People are worried about that . And so we have to kind of be careful when Terance invited me onto the podcast .

Rockerline 29:55

I was like wait a minute . Why are you inviting me ? Is the call coming from inside the house ? What are we house ?

Hayley 29:59

I told him alright , can you reach out to people to see if anyone's interested ? This is the criteria we're looking at . He's like okay , I'll reach out to Al . And I was like okay .

Jaxon 30:13

I was seriously sitting there Are you just nerdy or are you a nerd emergent .

Rockerline 30:17

I don't know , I don't know , I don't know . I've never , you know , had any tests or anything like that . My parents are from Africa , liberia or whatever . So like those kind of things , like mental things , don't really aren't on the top of their list as far as like problems or whatever . So , their children don't .

Hayley 30:33

I'm a good diagnosed , so their children don't I'm a good diagnosed , but my last step before , though , is bringing people on . I just want you leaving here learning something , yeah , yeah , yeah . Like it's not . We're not saying you have to be this or that . Yeah , some our last guest was diagnosed autistic and like we got to like listen to his experience . It's not like we're bringing you in and forcing this idea what you need to be , to be on the show .

Jaxon 31:03

We're grabbing you . But yes , we're grabbing you , you're saying you better say that you're autistic . The not love is blind . What am I talking about ? Love on the spectrum yeah , like that's not .

Hayley 31:14

That's not what every person on the spectrum looks like yeah , that's why it's a spectrum , so so I think you gotta appreciate we we we're not shoving that down like there are people who are . There are people who are on the spec , on that part of the spectrum who are like that and we would love them on our show as well , we would love them on our show .

Jaxon 31:32

We just know that , like , there is like um , there's a certain view , right , there's a limited view . It's like a scope thing . So we're broadening the scope and it's just like for mass audiences . You got the thing of like what do they know about spectrum disorders ? Well , that's their only source of information . Like that's one thing .

Rockerline 31:54

Very first world views on things .

Jaxon 31:56

Yeah , if you learned about Tourette's from South Park , you're going to have one view of what Tourette's is Right .

Rockerline 32:01

Yeah .

Jaxon 32:01

That's what I also had Tourette's , uh , pretty extreme ticks , physical ticks growing up , and people were like oh , like from South park , so you're going to swear all the time . Right , right , open it up , open up the conversation and like , make it about all different things and also people that just have anxiety , like they'll be able to relate , like people that , yeah , what is that ?

Hayley 32:27

Stimming yeah .

Jaxon 32:28

You want to give your interpretation first , or should I get mine ?

Hayley 32:33

Um , I mean , I can start off , yeah .

Rockerline 32:35

Yeah .

Hayley 32:36

Um , so stimming is just there . Just there's extra energy in your body .

Rockerline 32:42

Okay .

Hayley 32:44

It is highly associated with being neurodivergent in some way , but neurotypical people can benefit from stimming as well . It's just getting rid of that extra energy , like even this .

Rockerline 32:56

Yeah .

Hayley 32:57

This leg tap . That's stimming . You see people doing that all the time right . Or there are certain versions of stimming , like humming , like my stim is singing all the time . Gotcha Like I'll sing something on repeat .

Jaxon 33:11

Life is a musical yeah .

Hayley 33:14

And people will be like you sung that the entire day . I'm like I'm sorry , okay . But , it's more so a comforting thing , but can also for some people be . There are certain stims that are not good . Like some people who are on the spectrum will stim by banging their head , like there are things that um could injure you yeah , yeah so you have to find substitutes , and that's why they've come up with , like these , fidget toys , squeezes , yeah , yeah , things like that okay uh , that's , yeah , that's .

Jaxon 33:52

I'm gonna piggyback off of that , but that's basically what I would say too . I just just say anxiety is at the base layer of the cake and it's an engine inside of your body and eventually all energy needs to expand the laws of physics and it needs to escape , so you're basically compulsively just needing to do these things . It's an extension of your inner being Okay things . It's an extension of your inner being okay . So anxiety . So I I tend to relate a lot of these things back to anxiety .

Jaxon 34:25

For anyone that , like might not know how it feels to be on the spectrum to like imagine the base layer of this experience is an anxious one yeah and then , like , because people I feel like can relate to that more people that have had too much coffee or having a horrible day have an external , forced type of anxiety . Yeah , we'll understand stimming , because people have nervous tics , people have nervous things . So that's one of the ones that I feel like is easier for general population to understand . You need to get your energy out , you need to go for a run , you need to do something . So you need to go for a run , you need to move , you need to do something . So that's that's how I'd relate it .

Jaxon 35:02

It's just like the fact is you could do all those things , like go for a run , you could do other , but you'd still have the stemming . The stemming is just becomes like a physical coping mechanism . Um , and there there's ones that are , I feel like , more compulsive like you know , you can't really control it . And then there's ones that are , I feel like , more compulsive , like you know , you can't really control it . And then there's ones where , like , you can kind of control it , but it's like you just need it yeah , it's that itch you need to scratch it's that you know it's right there .

Jaxon 35:30

So that's how I describe it .

Rockerline 35:32

Okay , yeah thank you for teaching me . Yeah , see , there you go , mission accomplished . Welcome to our TED Talk .

Hayley 35:37

Yeah , yeah , that's how that goes Now you're going to walk around and be like stimming .

Jaxon 35:42

What am I doing Exactly ? You're going to start . Oh , they're stimming .

Rockerline 35:44

They're stimming . I'll launch at someone at work . It's like stop stimming . Stop stimming , I know what that is now .

Hayley 35:50

Yeah , but the problem too . Also it has a negative effect if you try to force yourself to stop stimming .

Jerreal 35:59

You have to substitute it .

Hayley 36:01

If it's not harming you or anyone else , then just don't force yourself to stop .

Jaxon 36:06

You've got to hot potato it to understand . Yeah , you've got to be like oh , it's like pfft Hot potato it . Just got to hot potato it . Yeah , actually a lot of things from stimming could be like the extreme things you could think , variations of it kind of lean into like ocd and um , into like tourette's . Tourette's is just like stimming on crack , like it's like . I wouldn't say like , but like I had very intense physical tics . I was like kid that looked like I was in a mosh pit I don't know where I went right and so like that was pretty intense .

Jaxon 36:40

But that is like , in a similar way , an inch you need to scratch , it's just you can't , it's one you really can't control . They're more extreme movements and I wish there was . There needs to be more studies on this . They've tried to do studies on this , but my mom would set up play dates with other kids that had Tourette's , say like I'd say oh , you could be a good influence to this little younger . He's like two grades younger than you and we show up and you're like , all right yeah .

Jaxon 37:06

So he tried to say I don't like the guy mom .

Hayley 37:10

So you're forcing me to help somebody else with Tourette's .

Jaxon 37:14

I was mad at my mom on the drive home from that one because I was like I feel like sheep . You're trying to put us together . She took the feedback , but the point is that when you're around someone else with Tourette's , you start picking up theirs . It's like a viral dance . It's like you basically like your anxiety goes up around them . Their goes up around you . They're doing this . You start needing to do this right , you're both very aware .

Hayley 37:40

You become like basically they become .

Jaxon 37:41

It's the only like disorder that I can think of that has some sort of like physical copycat mechanism thing where it's like literally like a virus , like it just feels like a virus like you're around them it's not an energy virus .

Rockerline 37:57

It's an energy virus , you see them .

Jaxon 37:58

You feel it and then you just start like you need to do their thing . So so yeah , um , people that have threats know like if you're around other people too much that have it , you're gonna you're gonna be very uncomfortable actually . So , yeah , it's very that . That is the thing that's continued to be studied . There was a tiktok phenomenon where they saw people were getting like spontaneous tics from watching people with Tourette's on tiktok .

Hayley 38:23

Um , yeah , it's a whole thing . They don't have Tourette's , though .

Jaxon 38:27

They some of them might not , but they might be stimming , they might be actually they might be like oh , stimming they might be picking up on those things and doing something over and over again . But it might not be because . It might just be because anxiety the point is is that people like that continue to be studied ? But I'm relating it to Tourette's .

Rockerline 38:45

It's not the same , or it could be like a , like a yawn that catches on you ever , yeah , yeah , yeah , like how you ever happen to you , yeah yeah , you , that's actually a perfect analogy .

Jaxon 38:55

that is because , a perfect analogy , that is because , oh , speaking of the devil , I thought it was the word bond .

Hayley 39:01

And then I was like I'm getting caught .

Jaxon 39:02

I can't stop it . It's by association , right ? Your brain picks up things and cues around us . You know , just cues around you and like that's really what it is . It's like um .

Hayley 39:14

That's weird .

Jaxon 39:16

But anyway . So moving on , but like that's no that was great . Stimming is . Yeah , stimming is , if you can channel it in the right way , you can do it and find ways to do it .

Hayley 39:26

I'm stimming right now . This whole time I've been doing this with my hands .

Jaxon 39:30

She's been rubbing the skin off her hands . Yes , just the bone . I need to take off the nail Cryptids . That is a pretty fascinating subject matter , very niche like all the Bigfoot hunters out there . I feel like there is a big community of people that would like feel invested in a game like that . What is , um , what was ? What's your fascination with that subject matter ? So Where'd that come from ?

Rockerline 39:55

I . I always loved like the supernatural , like that's . That's always been . I always loved the supernatural . That's always been my thing . It's like supernatural . Greek mythology

Stimming and Energy Expression

Rockerline 40:03

and combat sports were always just my thing . I loved it so much . Awesome . I used to live in Minnesota from the first grade through the third and the kids in the neighborhood would always go into the woods where we weren't supposed to be in our neighborhood . We were going to the woods and we would go , uh , cryptid hunting , before I even knew what a cryptid was you had stranger things childhood .

Rockerline 40:27

Literally we had like strangers .

Hayley 40:28

We had our bikes , we'd go into the woods and we would hunt , were you , the kids that wore the backpack , the backpacks on the front , yeah , actually yeah , no , like straight up , yeah , we'd walk around .

Rockerline 40:38

That's actually highly neurodivergent yeah , it's just easier to grab shit yeah , they put the backpack on the front it's like if we're in the woods right and I need to take some , I need to take out a ruler to measure something yeah , and I got my ruler .

Jaxon 40:53

It's effective it's effective well you know , it's even more neurodivergent . The kids that did the Naruto run , oh yeah .

Hayley 41:01

We had a bunch of those so many kids I was friends with .

Jaxon 41:03

did that ? Yeah , they just started running through the . It was like what's he doing ? What's he doing ?

Hayley 41:09

I watched the late night Naruto on my little box TV and I thought it was on Adult Swim , so I would always be like I'm watching it in secret , even though my parents didn't care if I watched Naruto .

Jaxon 41:20

But it was on Adult Swim . So I'm like oh yeah , so did you start doing the run too ? Did you start going through ?

Rockerline 41:25

the house Wearing the headbands In my room .

Jaxon 41:29

I was curious when no one could see you .

Hayley 41:31

I didn't do it in public though .

Jaxon 41:32

Okay , yeah , people that did it in public .

Rockerline 41:40

so yeah , no , okay , so you had the you , you in minnesota , you're out there on bikes . Yeah , did you see anything ? We , we caught a . We caught a stag one day . No , we didn't catch it sorry , we , we caught one , we caught one , we caught one in the wild .

Rockerline 41:50

What's a male deer , a male deer yeah and you sacrificed it well it ran away before we could do anything . Yeah , we were the woods , led into a pasture and so right at the exit because it split off , and it went to our school , which is right across the pasture . So there was like a male stag there and so we were getting close to it , kicking all the porno that was there in the woods and stuff , just like people who would go there and just watch that or read that shit .

Rockerline 42:19

All right , I'm going to go read porn in the middle of the woods . Yes , old school .

Jaxon 42:23

Honestly it was the 90s .

Rockerline 42:24

Nothing but stag to watch me . But we like that we like it .

Jaxon 42:29

Why do you guys have a porn hole ?

Rockerline 42:32

It was like in a stump . Why did they ? I mean , I guess you hide your porn in a stump . That's how it goes , Wait what .

Jaxon 42:39

Yeah , a stump , yeah , like they Okay yeah , Are you just learning about this for the first time ? You don't have a porn stump that you go to every night .

Rockerline 42:48

People and I can't , I can't , you know I can't say this for other small towns or whatever , but the woods .

Hayley 42:54

I was from a small town , but we , we didn't have woods like that .

Jaxon 42:57

I was in Florida , everglades . They got a porn swamp . Oh yeah , we're going to go into the Everglades . Have you been to the ?

Hayley 43:03

Everglades .

Rockerline 43:04

You got to get to the porn gator , it's not possible .

Jaxon 43:09

Every inch there's a gator , you got to tap the porn gator and it opens its mouth've never been to Florida in general .

Rockerline 43:19

It's great , it's a wild time , all of us are from Florida .

Hayley 43:22

Yeah , I know .

Jaxon 43:23

I'd go with y'all . I'd figure it out , we'd figure it out , I'd figure it out .

Hayley 43:27

I'd figure it out Florida . I think I got you guys figured out . I seems pretty preoccupied by a bird over there .

Jaxon 43:40

I've seen a mountain lion in person . That's a very California thing .

Rockerline 43:43

I have yet to see a mountain lion .

Jaxon 43:45

It's rare , it's very rare , it's very rare .

Rockerline 43:48

Maybe I don't want to do that , I don't know .

Hayley 43:49

There's only one mountain lion for like a gigantic territory .

Jaxon 43:53

They're around .

Hayley 43:55

They're around .

Jaxon 43:55

They're very like they come down for the mountains more often if there's less water reservoir available . Yeah , so in the summer they'll come down a little further to like find a creek and stuff or that mountain lion that broke into the zoo and ate that koala , oh really .

Rockerline 44:10

And then it was a couple years back . It broke into the LA zoo , ate a koala and then conducted HIV and then died . Yeah , that's about right .

Hayley 44:21

Wait , wait , go back .

Rockerline 44:24

He conducted HIV After consuming a koala . No , no , no I don't think you're understanding .

Hayley 44:29

How does one conduct HIV ?

Jaxon 44:31

Like the Philharmonic , like this Sorry , like conduct as in .

Rockerline 44:36

Like you know how electricity .

Jaxon 44:38

Contracted . Is that the right word ?

Hayley 44:42

you contracted , that's right yeah , sorry , I was like we were both like he'll get there where it's that's right , it's not .

Jaxon 44:48

Well , I'm trying not to I'm not trying to be the grammar nazi of the podcast or anything you know like . You also said something wrong . I didn't correct you earlier on something I just say wrong um , I can't , oh , I can't exactly . I'll pull it back up on the clips . We'll pull it back , we'll pull back . I just you said it three times and I was like he conducted a contraction and acquired hiv no , no , there was a , oh , it was um , um , I'll remember it later . I remember it doesn't exist .

Hayley 45:18

that's why I'll remember it later . I'll remember it . No , no , no , it doesn't exist . That's why I can't remember it ?

Jaxon 45:21

No , yeah , the word you said didn't exist . But uh , qualis .

Hayley 45:26

It does exist .

Jaxon 45:27

It does not exist , the one you , okay . So let's just say no , no , no , you're fine .

Hayley 45:31

No , I will fight you on this .

Jaxon 45:41

We're not letting this skill artists from another country for hail , just like that'd be . Actually that'd be fun to just like have a retainer . I think it'd be cool to do this podcast . Keep filming it , and we'll get um dubs and we'll do internet . We'll do international versions of this eventually that'd be cool like what mr beast does .

Jaxon 45:52

We'll do like the um our , we'll have a like a japanese voice , or we'll have a korean voiceover artist . So we'll get to like , yeah , we could do that . If we make money with the podcast Haley , we could do that . It's gonna be great . The world's your oyster Do you think ? We should . Well , you already know Korean , but like , still , you know a little bit . You know Korean . What are you looking at ? You're just stuck in a glare . No , these are ideas . I'm getting excited about ideas . Okay , okay , focus .

Hayley 46:21

So no , I can't just speak Korean . Let's all take a breath .

Rockerline 46:33

So when you said , when you said a situation where it just didn't feel right , I was like , yeah , I remember having like that feeling , feeling of walking alone somewhere and it just turned out to be a homeless person that was just around , what ? No , it wasn't a bad thing or whatever . It's just like I shouldn't be afraid it's just a person . It was someone walking behind you .

Jaxon 46:53

Yeah , it was just a person .

Rockerline 46:55

So I didn't realize that it was a person . It was just a person . So I didn't realize that it was a person . It was just like that's , not a monster .

Jaxon 47:00

No , it's a fucking homeless person . Like it's when you're walking down the sidewalk at night , Haley , and then all of a sudden you start running yes , because I walk along the sidewalk alone at night . Yes , yeah , and then you turn around . It's just me , hey .

Hayley 47:14

Yes because I feel so comfortable doing that .

Rockerline 47:19

No , no , that's a point To bring it back to like so , ghosts or whatever . I have a big history with ghosts . People say that the East is full of spirits and the West is full of aliens and other supernatural shit .

Hayley 47:34

I saw the ghosts on the East Coast , actually Not over here , yeah , yeah .

Jaxon 47:39

You want to take a moment to tell ghost stories ?

Hayley 47:41

Yeah , I would love to Okay , this is now officially a new segment .

Jaxon 47:46

Did you ever see anything actual like ? No there were Ghosts .

Rockerline 47:52

So after that day my cousins

Cryptids and Childhood Adventures

Rockerline 47:55

got the bright idea to start telling me African folklore . Oh , and that really fucked me up .

Jaxon 48:03

Is it even more messed up stories ? African folklore .

Rockerline 48:07

Yeah , there's this spirit called Kakakalo and it is a basically like a gremlin type creature with a clubbed leg , and it will chase you throughout the woods and the sound that it foot makes is its name . So it'll be like it's like a metal foot . It's like Kakakalo , and it'll drag its foot , yeah , uh . And so while sometimes I would like walk home from school alone uh , because my friend's parents would like pick them up or whatever and I had like you know , I'd stay after school for , you know , practice or whatever , and I'm walking home and during the wintertime up north it gets darker quicker than it does even here , yeah , and then there's snow all around , and so I'm like freaking the fuck out because it's like in the back of my mind , I'm like okay .

Jaxon 48:59

Did you hear the sound ?

Rockerline 48:59

Something's out here , something's going to get me . And then I just became like fascinated with , like folklore , and then that led into American cryptids , japanese cryptids , african cryptids , all sorts of things like every uh culture has , like it's just monsters . Oh yeah , um , my favorite one , I forget I forget what state it's a here in america , but it's a whale that sits at the top of a mountain and when it finds people like like cowboys or whatever , like just walking with their horses or some shit , it'll let go of the top of the mountain from its fin and then slide down the mountain with his mouth open and then eats people oh wow , that's wild .

Rockerline 49:39

And then wiggles its way back up the mountain . It's the stupidest thing .

Jaxon 49:43

I've ever fucking heard remember the worm from Spongebob like the big the . Alaskan bull worm like the dune style yeah , yeah , that's wild .

Rockerline 49:51

So I love , I loved , I love shit like that , like that's awesome .

Jaxon 49:54

Yeah , there's a lot of native american culture , like there's a lot of stuff from folklore of native americans and the shapeshifters and like the things that use your someone's voice that you know yeah , yeah , skin walkers .

Rockerline 50:04

I think those ones are the most scary .

Jaxon 50:06

If I were to think of ones that I've heard that are the most scary to me , it's the ones that like fuel deception .

Rockerline 50:11

Yes , and like the trickery like the shapeshifters . The Fae , the Fae , yeah , yeah , yeah . Speaking of that's a reason why you guys saw like it Follows .

Hayley 50:25

I never saw it .

Rockerline 50:26

I wanted it Follows to be a Faye or a Skinwalker . So bad , so badly , and I won't spoil the movie for you if you ever do just want to see it . It's very much not that . It's very much not that , and it might be dumber than you think . You know what movie creeped ?

Jaxon 50:46

me out when I saw it way back , was the Fourth Kind .

Rockerline 50:49

The Fourth Kind .

Jaxon 50:50

That's a good one though .

Rockerline 50:51

I've never seen that one . Yeah , that one's like a . I've never seen the Fourth Kind . No , I think it's an alien , isn't it ? Yeah ?

Jaxon 50:57

it's an alien , yeah , but it's in the like woods of Alaska creepy owl staring in everyone's window . Owls are fucking . If you've ever seen them , they're pretty creepy . A lot of people think they're witches .

Jerreal 51:14

A lot of .

Rockerline 51:14

Mexican cultures or Latin cultures think they're witches .

Hayley 51:17

Have you guys ever seen a skinwalker ?

Rockerline 51:19

You wouldn't know . No , the east is super old . It like first settled into the east or whatever . So , like a lot of stuff went down there that people just like could not explain . Um , I think just native american people were like fucking with them , like straight up . Yeah , I think that's what was going on . Yeah , um , like roronor , like how the all the guy went back to europe and they came back and his whole settlement was gone . I was like , yeah , but he went on to Europe and then came back and his whole settlement was gone . I was like , yeah , but he went on a boat and left for months and then came back . They're not going to be here anymore , whatever . Yeah , so I used to see shadow people a lot .

Rockerline 52:02

The most famous ghost apparently in America is the man in the hat and the woman in the gown . So the craziest thing , right right , would happen to me . I would . I would see these . I would see these guys since I was like a kid and they are just watcher ghosts . They don't do anything , they just watch you lurk , yeah I have goosebumps well , I love , I love telling the story because , like , I don't see these people anymore like it sucks , so you had seen them somewhere .

Hayley 52:29

I've seen the shadow man in the hat .

Rockerline 52:31

Yeah Well , here's the craziest fucking thing about this . Right , when I was a kid and I used to see them , I asked my mom and they're very religious , so she was like , if you ever feel like a presence or whatever , just say the Lord's Prayer and you'll be good to go , and it's just like a mantra to keep your your mind going , so it's not focusing on the shadow in the corner . Yeah , um , and so I would do that every once in a while and I'm like , okay , it's working , I still see them , but it's , I'm not scared or whatever .

Jaxon 53:00

I still see I still see them , but I'm not like scared or whatever standing in the room type of thing , just be like in the corner , like just looking at me , not moving , and so that one's wild and so the craziest fucking thing happened .

Rockerline 53:12

I never told my cousins about this because I knew they like to mess with me . Yeah right , one day I'm in my cousin's basement and she goes . Guys , I had like the weirdest dream last night . A man in a hat came to visit me and opened up a book and asked me what I wanted to dream about , and she would pick what I wanted to dream about . And she would pick what she wanted to dream about and she would dream about that thing and the man in the hat would stand in the corner and watch her dream about the thing . She would always see the man in the hat while she's like a guiding a guy .

Jaxon 53:41

It was like a guide or whatever to her and so I was like , oh , that's fucking crazy the story . But he like had a , he would come up to her Wow .

Rockerline 53:48

Like , pick this , pick what you want to drink or to dream about , yeah , and then you close it and just stand in the corner and then , like , the scene will just change , but he would always be there watching her experience , the things , and maybe that kind of makes it less creepy though . Well , hers was like very nice , mine was just like what do you want ? Because I got to sleep , dude .

Jaxon 54:08

But here's the thing , Maybe he only did that for girls . He's like oh , let me .

Hayley 54:11

No , that's not what happened for me . Here's the creepiest thing .

Rockerline 54:18

I got two more things and then I'll let you tell your story . Man , this really fucked me up . Insidious comes out , the first Insidious movie . That terrified me . The woman in the gown is the villain in Insidious or she's like an overarching villain or whatever , and I was like I would sit there and I was like watching it . And the beginning of Insidious is something that I swore happened to me when I was a kid . The opening of Insidious 1 is the main character daydreaming or sleepwalking . No , he's astral , projecting right Through his family's hallway right and he turns and the woman in the gown is just like right there and I swore something like that happened to me when I was a kid .

Jaxon 55:02

Okay , that actually gave me chills because mine was that I had actual out-of-body . I remember I would have them once a year . Gave me chills because , uh , mine was that I had those , um , I had actual out of body , I remember them , I would have them once a year yeah they were out of body dreams where I'd wake up in my bed , I'd walk to the hallway . It literally had a long hallway in our house .

Jaxon 55:19

I'd turn around and I'd go to the window , the door , and I just kind of like , stay there , freeze there , yeah , and that's when et the actual heat would come and start fucking , like banging on the door and trying to get in .

Jaxon 55:32

He'd like , yeah , et from universals , et he's a chill dude , listen . I had these dreams so . So I'll make this quick . I had these dreams for years and they would always start with that type of waking up in the same house I was in and he'd know where to find . He basically know where to find me . It was like a free-for-all , like he was there , he's ready to break in and kidnap me . So , like once a year I'd have a reoccurring dream and my mom and dad got divorced , we moved to a different house and I'd wake up in that new house and I'd walk around kind of a purpley color and I'd be kind of going around and then I get to the door . Like what happens ?

Jaxon 56:13

Et just kept getting taller every year that he was going through a growth spurt . He came back . He had like teardrop tattoos . He was an ex-con , you know . He was just coming back hard and he'd keep dragging me by the feet . He would just

Ghost Stories and Shadow People

Jaxon 56:24

drag me out like to the thing , like and basically like in the woods and I , we live near the woods , so anyway , point is that that happened for years and years , holy shit .

Jaxon 56:32

And my my grandma was a um events coordinator at universal yeah so we had like memorabilia , we had stuff around the house and stuff and um , at one point , um , I'm telling my friend this is happening till I'm like 13 years old , like for me like 6 to 13 . And I'm like man , I keep having the dreams he's like isn't he supposed to be like the friendly alien ? Why has he turned into such a thug ? Why is he thugging out ? Why has he turned into such a horrifying ? And we laughed about it , right . So we kind of had a laugh .

Jaxon 57:04

And then I went home that night like chuckling about it , went to sleep , woke up in like a bird , like had another lucid dream where I was in a burbank , like white picket fence , like neighborhood type of thing , and I see him who's walking by , business casual briefcase and suit , but et , he's got a family . He's got a family to feed . He just goes around scaring little kids . So he sees me , he recognizes me , I charge him and start beating the shit out of him . I'm just like you ruined my fucking childhood , you , you , piece of shit , just . And he's like , and he's like , you know , like he does in the film , right . And so he just went and he's like starts deflating like a balloon , like that right . And then I look down and he's like a et , one of the stuffed animals like that . He's just there and I just drop right . And then I look down and he's like a et , one of those stuffed animals like that . He's just there and I just drop him . And then I realized that was actually in my room oh that doll .

Jaxon 57:56

That stuffed animal was like in my childhood room because we had all that universal like stuff . Point is , is that I did ? I beat the shit out of him . And I never had him again and years later I watched and read the Stephen King and it's very eerily similar to the classic boogeyman experience where you have to use humor , you have to find a way to make them the butt of the joke , to defeat them . It just all happened exactly that way .

Rockerline 58:26

That relates to the last part .

Jerreal 58:30

It actually does sweet so when ?

Rockerline 58:33

so , after all of that happened , um , I'm enrolled in college , right , I go to full sale . Um , my second year there . This guy does a presentation about american ghosts and he's like the most famous ghosts in america are the women in the gown , men in the hat . I never told anyone about these things , but it's just something that people just keep experiencing and not talking about . So he goes . These ghosts that appear are semi-peaceful , they just like to watch and they just don't interact with a lot of people . A lot of the times it might happen , but usually they just stand and watch people be peaceful . Yeah , so it was my first . So I was .

Rockerline 59:20

I was always into just making sketches and stuff . Since I was like a little kid actually , I would take my dad's like old church camera and like do sketches around the neighborhood . Um , it wasn't until I got into high school that I actually like found . Like a little kid , actually , I would take my dad's like old church camera and like do sketches around the neighborhood . Um , it wasn't until I got into high school that I actually like found like a group that we can like do these things with .

Rockerline 59:35

My first YouTube channel was called Mainstream Villains . We would like shoot comedy sketches . Terance was in one of the first ones that we did um , and it was Terance , our friend Danielle Zi , and a couple other kids from our neighborhood in school and I I had a feeling one time when I was very , very young , where it was golden hour , I still had my dad's camera . All my friends had been out with me for hours just shooting something and it was dog shit , complete ass . Like you couldn't make sense of what , what we shot . But I was sitting there in the leaves in fall and I was like I want to do this shit for the rest of my life .

Rockerline 1:00:17

I love this awesome right and it was me like jumping from , like other things you know that I want to do . I wanted to be a wrestler and like all this other stuff , but I , it was so strong in that moment that that's a moment I never forgot . So when I got into high school , I met Terance or college . Uh met Terance , um , we started doing uh sketches around and then I went to Full Sail , um , and I decided that I wanted to get into the YouTube space . Everyone wanted to , to be you know , the next Steven Spielberg . They wanted to be you know doing cartwheels with Michael Bay and like all this shit .

Jaxon 1:00:54

And I'm just like you'll see me at the Oscars . Yeah , and it's always that one film student kid . Always .

Rockerline 1:00:59

And I was saying I was like guys , do you , do you understand ? Like YouTube's like a big fucking deal , like it's the money isn't there yet , but it will be . And I had examples . I was like smosh , uh , unfortunately david dobrik , we don't have to mention him again but he was .

Hayley 1:01:16

He was definitely big . You know , we have a lot of unfortunates , yeah yeah .

Rockerline 1:01:23

So like a ton of a ton of those guys , a lot of them are canceled . Smosh is not so um , I moved to new york , you know , after , after college . Way too young , I would say I was like 21 when I left Terance .

Jaxon 1:01:37

Uh , yeah yeah , could you do something from it ? Yeah ?

Rockerline 1:01:41

yeah , for uh , any of us , um , and I think you were there for like what ? Two , three years , I think . No , so I was . I was there for about a year because when , when I came back , I didn't see you guys at all because you guys had gone to college when I got back . So I I graduated full sale early because my program was two years , so you guys are still in community college . When I was in full sail you moved up .

Rockerline 1:02:11

Yeah , so when I came back , these guys had already left , zappy had already gone to Boston Terance , you were somewhere else , I don't know and so I saved up another two grand and then moved out to LA . And it was crazy , would I ? Would walk into production companies because that's what they told us in school to do .

Hayley 1:02:34

Don't do that shit don't , don't , do that shit I was like yeah , wait , wait , what tell ?

Jaxon 1:02:41

where do you walk into ?

Rockerline 1:02:42

okay , you remember , uh , rocket jump , freddie wall , yeah , yeah , yeah , they were . They used to be out here in burbank , yeah . And so I found it on google after like a day of searching , like I was really like I'm gonna fucking find this place , I'm gonna , I'm gonna walk in . I didn't know that they were in the nerdist building . So rocket jump was not listed , but nerdist was , and I only knew that because I watched , I listened to the nerdist podcast and they had freddie on there and he like yeah , we just moved in and I was like cool , got to go to Nerdist . I walked into Nerdist and they're rehearsing for Video Game High School Season 3 . So I see Freddy on wires and he's on a green screen going whoa , like this , and I'm like this is everything I made it .

Jerreal 1:03:22

I made it to my home . I just walked in .

Rockerline 1:03:26

The door was open . This wouldn't be the last time I did that . I walked in the Cartoon Network once too . I just walked right in , like y'all don't have security codes .

Jaxon 1:03:33

Anyways , steven Spielberg did that once , yeah . He just ruined it for everyone .

Rockerline 1:03:38

They tell us to do that shit . You can't do that , you can't do that . So I walk in the front desk lady goes oh , oh , hi . And I'm like hey , just want to drop off my resume . And so I hand it to her and she's like yeah , no , we're looking for a lot of people gearing up for video game high school . Very much so , and I'm like man , I can't wait to work here . This is going to be great .

Jerreal 1:04:01

And I leave .

Rockerline 1:04:05

And I turn around to give one last look at Rocket Jump , my new future and she goes . It throws my paper in the trash . She didn't know I was still there , but I turned back and she crumpled that shit up and threw it in the trash , and then that's when the security showed up . No , they just let me go . I was like that's insane . So I was like , okay , well , rocket jumps obviously is not going to work out . I walked in the Cartoon Network did the exact same thing , hey .

Jaxon 1:04:35

I saw you crippled that up .

Hayley 1:04:37

Should I do this online , or are you going to be a dick there too ? It was bizarre .

Jaxon 1:04:44

I'd like to speak with the CEO .

Rockerline 1:04:47

Me and Freddie were like this so when my first endeavor into the YouTube space didn't work out , I'd like to speak with the CEO . Yeah , go get .

Hayley 1:04:54

Freddie , me and

The Path to Smosh

Hayley 1:04:55

Freddie were like this . So when my first endeavor into the YouTube space didn't work out .

Rockerline 1:04:57

I had to get an actual job , and that's one thing a lot of film students don't want to do is to get an actual job . That shit irks me Fucking . Pay for your roof .

Jerreal 1:05:09

Like pay for your roof .

Rockerline 1:05:10

Like . The jobs are going to come . You just have to . Don't be so prideful If you're listening to this , don't be so fucking prideful . I worked at Yogurtland . I worked at the AMC over in Burbank . And I didn't have a car , so I was like walking everywhere .

Rockerline 1:05:30

And I was doing walking from Burbank all the way to deep noho in studio city at like 2 am that's like a three hour , that's a two and a half hour , three hour walk , yeah , and I would do that every day . I know that because I did every night you did it once .

Jaxon 1:05:38

I did it once . I did it for fun , which is different , yeah no , I did it because I had to . I did the privilege . I did the privilege version of it .

Rockerline 1:05:46

I did it like I'm gonna get my 20,000 steps buddy , I got more steps than I knew what to do with . I was actually pretty slim back then . I was looking real good back then . Yeah , he actually came down to visit one time . He dropped like I don't know how much .

Hayley 1:06:01

It was like almost like 100 pounds .

Jaxon 1:06:02

It was like a complete culture shock .

Rockerline 1:06:04

Yeah , Wow you look so good and you're like hmm , yeah , that's actually what they say I'm poor . What's your secret ?

Jaxon 1:06:10

Poverty , poverty , depression , stress , yeah , so you were working at AMC in Yogurtland and in the meantime you're doing that and you're prepping your next plan of action .

Rockerline 1:06:21

In the meantime , while I was working at these places , I was doing my own stuff on the side . I brought back mainstream villains for a little bit . Zappy had moved out after that time , but she was out here so we were doing stuff again and I had met my first writing partner ever , kimberly Truan . Oh , yeah , yes , I introduced you guys . Yeah , kimberly is . I owe a lot to that woman . She is . She wrote for cbs . Uh , she is a a improv , uh sketch comedy writer as well . Um , amazing connections . Amazing person just in general , amazing creative person . Um , she read one of my scripts because I was going to the ucb at the time as well and just like taking classes . She read one of my scripts , came to yogurt land where I was working and was like , hey , we should , we should shoot this because I I had also gone around burbank and just like taped up like signs , it's like do you want to be in this sketch ? Here's my number .

Rockerline 1:07:31

Oh yeah , here's my email address and here's a google uh qr code and the script is there , wow , and so read the script if you want to be a part of this . Here's my number and you rip the thing off and you get my number but you hadn't met her before this I had not met her before , so she showed up from the ad from the ad oh , yes , okay and so and I put on facebook I put on facebook too , but she said that she saw it around or whatever and on facebook .

Rockerline 1:07:56

But she came there . We read the script . She was like this is funny as fuck , let's go do it . And so that was . That was literally the start of it . I was like , oh , I can just do this shit myself , like if no one's gonna hire me , because it's that catch-22 . If it's just like working in in media in general , it's like you need to have 10 years experience . Well , it's like , if you don't give me the experience , how am I supposed to get it ? Yeah , but the answer is you got to do it yourself , unfortunately , and I never liked that . But that is how it , that is how life goes , yeah , yeah and you could have .

Jaxon 1:08:25

You could even have the 10 years of experience and they they'd be like . Well , this is a very production-heavy resume actually .

Hayley 1:08:31

Or this resume is a little too heavy on this , and you'll be like well , I have 15 years left , like for me , my first script I ever wrote CVS was interested in and they were like we'll give you a micro-budget of $25,000 , and we have all creative control . And was like fuck out of here .

Jaxon 1:08:54

I was like no , yeah , that's when you need an agent to negotiate , because I was really young too and they were taking advantage of that .

Rockerline 1:08:59

Oh yeah yeah , that was like 20 years old yeah , so while I was , while I was doing that , I was just you know I didn't know that raising , raising , just like my confidence in my writing ability and my editing ability .

Rockerline 1:09:14

And then I got a job at this place called VIP Productions , which was just a wedding videography place , and I was like , finally , I'm getting paid to do media . Now Did that for about I want to say , two years . And then I got an internship at this place called Jump Cut Studios . Jump Cut Studios is one of those dudes who had , like the pickup artist YouTube video channels and I was just like , damn , but they wanted to make a YouTube how-to course . So I was like , okay , well , I will be getting paid until that course 20 course thing is done . Now did you learn how to course ? So I was like , okay , well , I'll , I will be getting paid until that course 20 course thing is done .

Jaxon 1:09:52

Now did you learn how to pick up checks .

Rockerline 1:09:54

No , they kept that to the chest , Apparently um , a bunch of stuff , a bunch of you know , not so good stuff happened around that time . Um , I , I was dating , um , a person that I thought I was going to marry . That didn't work out , um , at all . Um , my cousin had passed away during that time as well . Um , that was very tough and I just was feeling like , damn , I made another mistake . La probably isn't it . La just isn't for me .

Rockerline 1:10:28

I'm depressed again . You know , I lost someone that I loved relationship wise and familiar wise and I was like ready to just like give up again . Then I got a job at Avalon because the internship had ended and I was like , okay , okay , I'm already living at avalon , I might as well make this place that we're all staying at cheaper , as I had moved in with zappy , so we're all living together now . And , uh , our , our zappy's friend from college , nancy , got a job at smosh . So they smosh had been let go from their overall company called Defy . That was really ruining things for them . So they got the company got nixed . Uh , good , mythical morning picked them up .

Rockerline 1:11:18

They like took care of the Smosh brand , yeah , took care of them , so they had like a resurgence . And so Nancy was like hey , do you want to come in as a PA for a couple of days ? And I was like , yes , I quit , I quit Avalon without actually having a job In between that time . I ran off to Japan and then came back and so it was like a lot of things going on . I had gotten my dog roll . It was like I was just doing shit because I was like I'm in panic , panic mode . I need to feel good or else I'm going to leave la and feel like a failure again .

Rockerline 1:11:53

Um , so I got onto the smosh sets and I was just like you know , out of the way , not really talking to anyone . And eventually it's , uh , one of the hr people or whatever her head of production was . Her name was Maeda and she came to me and was like hey , we saw that your YouTube channel . You know how to edit , you can write a little bit . Do you want to just come in as like an editor for like a little bit , and then we'll see how that is ? And I literally was just like , yeah , holy shit , I was just about to give up . Yes , I would like to come in . And then I had my interview with Ian um after I had come back from Japan Um , cause , I was all in the same time and he was like what was your , what's your history with Smosh ? And I was like , oh , I used to watch you when I was in middle school for like a little bit , and he goes damn I'm fucking old and he goes .

Rockerline 1:12:54

Damn , I'm fucking old he goes , he goes shit , yeah , and he I doubt he even remembers it because it was . It was so weird because they didn't choose me at first . There were two people that were up for the editing job and they chose someone else , but that person wound up being a nightmare . So you get me the best , the best pick .

Jaxon 1:13:06

Yeah , that's good . I mean honestly , because at the end of the day , you want a super skilled editor that's an asshole , or do you want someone that's good , actually has a good vibe ?

Rockerline 1:13:18

Well , I became an asshole . Okay , well , a little bit later you became a . Got your tenure I'm a vocal dude , but luckily I like the product that we create over at Smosh Now . With creative people , there's always no matter where you are , and you guys will feel this too eventually it'll happen . I've been there when you get a whole gaggle of creative people . Things just happen Like wires get crossed , sparks get flared .

Hayley 1:13:56

Oh no , I've been on plenty of sets , and I've always seen fires happen and slowly back into the corner being like nope .

Rockerline 1:14:08

But the reason why I give Smosh props is because , no matter how I feel , at the end of the day we are making videos that make people happy , and that has always just been the goal for me is to live off of my weird , you know , comed nature and creativity , right and smosh is a place that they had a lot of levity to people's lives , people that you know .

Rockerline 1:14:36

Smosh was a place that I I was able to really just do that professionally . Now companies change um as far as just like what they want to put out into the world . So as a creative person it can get kind of like frustrated to be like man , that joke's great , don't cut that , or man . But at a certain point it's just like no dude , it's a job . So it kind of it kind of came full circle again in a way where it's like okay , I got to the goal that I was like hoping to get to . I work in youtube . Now , right , I get paid , I I'm able to to rent an apartment here in la . I've been living on my own for 10 years now in la are you wait you roommate lists or with the roommates ?

Rockerline 1:15:24

oh , so by on my own , I mean without parent . Parental help , okay , but I have no roommates now . That was my thing two years ago was .

Jaxon 1:15:30

I was moving into this place I was my roommate free right now I've been roommate free for four years .

Rockerline 1:15:37

Oh , hell , yeah , yeah , hell yeah , so , yeah , so it's one of those things where it's like , okay , no matter how much the company itself changes , now right . Where it's like , okay , no matter how much the company itself changes , now , right , how much the smosh that I grew up with and fell in love with changes , I've already hit that goal , that goal's done now . Now it's like I'm , I'm at smosh , I'm with creative people , now what am I gonna do ? That's next for me , because a lot of people go to like these big companies and stuff like that and they think that they're going to be integrated into the culture in a way where it's like , oh , I'm going to be next cast eventually , or I'm going to be part of like , I'm going to be a bigger part of the future part of the future of this company than they .

Rockerline 1:16:26

Then they are realistically and I and I try and specify to people . It's like , when you get to these companies , when you finally reach your goal of working in these companies , don't go into these companies with the idea that you are going to be a part of the Illuminati or something like that . They're in crowd .

Jaxon 1:16:46

The structure , yeah .

Rockerline 1:16:47

Yeah , the structure of the place , and not saying the people who cast or producers and stuff like that are bad people . No , everyone's great at Smosh . I'm talking about the people who come in and it's like oh , now I feel bad about working here because I'm not getting what I need out of this job that I thought I thought I was gonna get .

Jaxon 1:17:15

I wrestled with that a lot like when I first got that position is like I want to do more . It's like sometimes see it as an end goal . Some people see the job as the end thing , yeah , and they don't realize that they've lost their soul , they've lost themselves in the process . But but I'd also say I just add this when I was producing songs for other people , when I was doing a bunch of songs , I'd get frustrated after the session , not because , well , sometimes people , some people , are frustrated .

Jaxon 1:17:38

To work with artists can be , you know , as you know , a little finicky , but I would say I'm not frustrated with them . I'm producing this epic track for them and I haven't finished my own work . I have 10 songs on the table right now that I need to finish for myself and I don't feel full . I need to fill up my cup before I can keep giving my big service out or , at the same time , you need to be doing the thing that fills your cup . So I'm doing my record right now .

Jaxon 1:18:16

That was one of the things where I kicked myself in the ass to do it , to finish the work . It's laborious , but because I got a kick in the ass , because I got a soundtrack placement , I had a thing um placed in a in a film , and then I kind of got pulled away and then it was a lot of back and forth , dependent on , like , what they're going to use . I do have a placement in it still , which is great , but that uncertainty was just like very frustrating and and it just reminds you know , I need to fill up that thing that I was doing .

Jerreal 1:18:54

I need to finish my thing ?

Jaxon 1:18:55

yeah , so is . Is that like , do you feel like that ? Well , can you end up with your games and stuff ?

Rockerline 1:19:01

yeah , so now that I've , like I said , I've reached the goal , um , every day I I go and it's like a , it's like a , it's like a , not a process . I'm not on autopilot at all , but it is my routine , right . I wake up , I go in , I do my thing . People on the outside who watch smosh for for fun . They get their kicks . That's , you know , due to me as well I help yeah , I help out with that .

Rockerline 1:19:25

Yeah , you know , um , the fans , the fans love the videos and I'm happy about that . But that does not fill up , like you were saying , my personal cup , because for one , the company isn't mine , I don't own these videos . Technically , you know , I could put these things on my resume , which is great , which is great , but the the sense of like ownership is a finicky thing when you work for people who own the thing that you were striving to get to . So now I'm like I said it came full circle . So now that I've had this thing , now I'm like , okay , branch out again , like what is next for you ? And it was just like games , clothing , stuff that I really had no business getting into is stuff that I wanted to do , because that's the only way I will find out my next thing . Get into a business that you have no business being in and you'll probably feel happy again .

Jaxon 1:20:23

Like straight up . I think there's like that . Really , it shows that you have a lot of curiosity and that you're not afraid to throw the darts at the wall , and I think that's kind of something that comes from the spirit of YouTube as well . It's like here we are shooting these sketches , we're going to just throw a bunch of darts at the wall and see what sticks . That philosophy in business can be also helpful , as an entrepreneur can be helpful , because you're actually throwing things . You're like that level of experimentation is necessary to produce anything . You do need to experiment to know if it's going to be a yes or no for something . You don't know until you try right . So I think that's actually a very healthy philosophy to have . It doesn't mean you should do that with every project , but it's like you , oh yeah , what's that like healthy ?

Rockerline 1:21:08

philosophy to have it doesn't mean you should do that with every project .

Jaxon 1:21:09

Yeah , but it's like

Finding Your Creative Purpose

Jaxon 1:21:10

you , um , oh yeah , what's that ? It's 3 30 3 , 30 , okay , yeah , oh damn well , hey , no , yeah , that's cool good conversation goes on .

Hayley 1:21:20

Why am I hitting such a hard ?

Jaxon 1:21:22

this is now the joe . This is the joe rogan . Let's go for the four hours . Let's talk about conspiracy . No , the moment we got into cryptids , that took it into a three-day podcast . No , so , okay , so to , to finish up on that , that idea of oh , we're talking about experimentation , yeah , we're talking about . Um , oh , what was I ?

Rockerline 1:21:46

what was I saying ? It was um the act of just like experimenting .

Jaxon 1:21:50

Yeah , yeah , well , you um talking about , like the , the , yeah , you having these projects that fill your cup . I also think the way you described your relationship , what you kind of discovered at Smosh , is a healthy relationship to have with work in general . Yes , right is a healthy relationship to have with work in general . Yes , right , some people dedicate their lives to a company . Some people dedicate their lives and their time and everything to a company , and I'm sure that's not what the people at these creative type artsy places really want you to do either . At the end of the day , they don't want you to kill yourself to make .

Rockerline 1:22:28

The end of the day , they don't want you to kill yourself to make yeah , you will step on a lot of toes doing that , having that kind of mentality , and you will only burn yourself out exactly that kind of stuff .

Jaxon 1:22:38

So having a healthy , like what the advice that you kind of gave it is your example is kind of advice for people in a way too like it's like I , you know , you got to build out your thing , you got to build out your projects . What would you say to someone who needs , who needs that fuel , that needs that flame under them to try something ?

Rockerline 1:23:01

yeah , um , I think . I think actually you hit it on the head . It's like you need to stay curious , you need to . You need to wake up and find something that you never thought that you would be interested in and then just get into it , like if you there was . There was like a whole craze of like people learning how to knit during covid and I was like I was like , yeah , I never thought that I didn't get into it , but I was like that's cool , cause it's like something that you didn't think that you would be interested in . You just try it out Like and don't I would say don't .

Rockerline 1:23:37

Also , don't follow like trends , something that's trendy , don't do it . Um , you'll have like a lot of people doing it , mind you . You'll get like a lot of help if you know the right people doing it . But I think being curious is a way , is more more of a like a self-discovery thing than anything . You will , you won't . If you're curious and you get into something , don't expect that thing to be super successful , but you are finding something that's new to yourself that you can now explore . You're like opening up a whole new avenue for yourself , for where you're like oh , this is a side of me . I didn't know that . I knew about .

Jaxon 1:24:22

We'll wrap it up . Thank you so much for being here . We had a great time . Haley , we're going to get some noodles . I think we're all gonna get some noodles . We're gonna get shawarma . No , no , that's the Avengers . Um , Terance , thanks for running sound over there . Shout out to Terance . Terance is the OG and um yeah , good job everyone awesome we did it .

Jaxon 1:24:45

We are incredibly excited to be launching this podcast and we have some super interesting guests planned for the next uh episodes , so stay tuned , follow us on social media , find us on youtube for some extra visuals . Well , we'll see you in the next episode . Peace and love .