Doulas On Call
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Doulas On Call
Beyond Control: Embracing the Unpredictable Nature of Birth
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Welcome to Doulas on Call
Speaker 1I'm Misty and I'm Tammy , and we're the doulas on call . Remember mamas were not doctors , midwives or magical birth wizards . I wish just two passionate birth workers with microphones sharing personal experiences , trusted information , the best snacks for labor and a whole lot of heart . What you hear on this podcast is meant to educate , encourage and connect , but it's not medical advice .
Speaker 2Please consult your trusted healthcare provider when making decisions about your health , your birth or anything clinical . Basically , don't sue us . We're just here to talk birth , spill some tea and share the love .
Speaker 1Ring ring . Duel is on call . Hi everyone , I'm Misty , I'm Tammy and we are back for another episode , numero tres .
Speaker 2Yeah , numero tres , that's right , that's right , nice , nice . How are you ?
Speaker 1I'm good . I'm good . I'm actually really excited about this episode yes oh yes because , what is it ? Yeah , I I'm just really excited to dive into this topic , okay , well without further delay yes , let's get to it .
Speaker 2Misty , come on , hold on .
Speaker 1Let me give you a drum roll as if they can't tell from the title .
Speaker 2Just kidding .
Speaker 1Maybe they can look at it .
Speaker 2Clickbait .
Speaker 1Birth plans , birth plans what do we think about
Birth Plans: Love Them or Hate Them?
Speaker 1them ? Birth plans Do we like them ?
Speaker 2Do we hate them , man man ? Well , okay , that's a loaded question .
Speaker 1It's loaded . Man man , yeah Well , okay , that's a loaded question . It's loaded .
Speaker 2That's why we're investing an entire episode to birth plans . Yeah , so did you have a birth plan ? I did Shut the front door . I did , you're going to hear me say a lot of the same phrases . I better stop that , no .
Speaker 1You really did , I did Wow . Look at you Well , when was your first baby born ? So my first was born in 1999 .
Speaker 2We just gave away her age .
Speaker 1All the computer whizzes yeah .
Speaker 2Okay , yeah , so that I mean it tracks . How did I not Right Um ?
Speaker 1so I had a birth plan with all of mine .
Speaker 2Okay , Um did you write it out ? I didn't handwrite it , I didn't so .
Speaker 1I had a midwife for all three of my birth , which I enjoy working with midwives , which I enjoy working with midwives . Um , but yeah , I did , I had plans . Um , I joke and say that I had a planned epidural , an unplanned epidural and an unplanned , unmedicated birth .
Speaker 2Totally so and that actually tracks for your third . Like , yeah , Right Now doing what you do , aren't you just like here ?
Speaker 1the oh my gosh thirds are like wild cards , for sure , but um no um for my birth plans , I will say , yeah , um , they really none of them went to the courting plan .
Speaker 2I guess the the first kind of did in a way , but like so did you have things like if you look at a birth plan today compared to like your birth plan , do you think they are the same ? Oh gosh , no , exactly , I think that's the point I'm trying to make .
Speaker 1No , because I should say did I have a birth plan ?
Speaker 2Yes , as in , I had a birth plan . I plan on having a baby .
Speaker 1That was really it back then was like are you going ?
Speaker 2to have an epidural Yep or not . No , it really that's what I mean . So I think that's truly what it was Right .
Speaker 1Did I have a birth plan ?
Speaker 2Right , yes , I had a birth plan with my first .
Speaker 1I was going to have an epidural . I had a birth plan with my second first because of the experience . Yes , so we definitely have to have like a whole episode just on , oh , you sharing your births and me sharing my births , um but um , without getting too much into it , yes decided no epidural for my second .
Speaker 2Or I did not want an epidural for my second because what I had gone through with my well , and I think that begs the point too that sorry that you had a midwife which also makes sense that you had a birth plan , but I had an obstetrician . I mentioned a birth plan and they kind of looked at me like why yeah and back then okay so back then 20 , you know he's 21 , you do the math when I was your age , when I was your age that could be a whole segment .
Speaker 2Oh my gosh , I , when I was I say that to my clients all the time I know or I say yeah I was having children when I was in my childbearing years . But fair .
Speaker 1Yeah , I definitely well , I think .
Speaker 2I think it's different , though , because I talked to my peers and like , just like I asked you , did you have a birth plan ? Um , or women older than me ? My mom laughs . She's like , what are you talking about ? Like , having a birth plan ? Um , I don't love the word plan . I'm very upfront about my clients in that , because I tell them from the get-go that birth okay , here's some rules , miss Tammy's rules . A birth is not linear . Nothing about birth is linear , and I always say if I could wave a magic wand and you would have the birth experience that you want .
Speaker 1What would it ?
Speaker 2look like I like that approach better . Yeah , um , I also feel like that is combined with the fact that the majority of clients that I have or have or have had are type a . They hire me because they are very much plan
Why Birth Isn't Linear
Speaker 2, very informed , very educated , and they want some semblance of control . And I think they get a little like I don't even know what's the word when I tell them that you can just see their eyes go . What ?
Speaker 1do you mean she's telling me not to make a plan ? Yeah , yeah , which . Let's just be clear . That's not what we're saying .
Speaker 2That's not . We're not saying like we're not saying hey don't don't you know , don't develop a quote-unquote birth plan .
Speaker 1Don't .
Speaker 2Don't have any kind of idea of what you want , like you have to know what you want , right , and don't want . Just know that you cannot be married to it . You cannot expect , like you can't think this is exactly how this is gonna go , because , yeah , it's not so can ?
Speaker 1I give . Can I give you one of the analogies ? I do , yes . So one of the analogies I say is it's kind of just like your marriage , like did you think ?
Speaker 2that this is going to be so good .
Speaker 1This is so good , you know when you first start dating right and then you're thinking about .
Speaker 2Asterix Misty and I have both been married for over 20 plus years with the same individual .
Speaker 1Yes , yes . Well , we're not married to the same person .
Speaker 2No , we have both been married independently , independently to our partners for over 20 , over 20 years .
Speaker 1Gosh we've been 20 , 20 , um 22 , almost 23 years , 25 , yeah , yeah , so amazing um but um you know it's kind of like marriage where you have all of these like dreams , like this is what it's going to be like , right , this is what we want it to be . And then things get hard . Well , they get hard , yeah , right . So we , we , we don't give up , right , we shouldn't give up , um , don't give up , right , we shouldn't give up , no , um , but we can plan for all these things . And but when , when things kind of take a turn , um , you kind of have to tap into the professionals to help .
Speaker 2So , anyways , it's kind of like that , like I would say I always give the analogy of it is not a monopoly and that you're going around the square board . It is more like chutes and ladders , yeah , or the game of life , literally the board game of life , where you get your little car , you put your people in . Now we're really dating ourselves , I know oh my god , what's like the ?
Speaker 1it's just not , is it ? Chutes and ladders where you draw the card and it's like go back , yeah , totally go back , take a left , go up .
Speaker 2You know , grab your ladder . So so true , go down the slide .
Speaker 1We should make a board game about birth For birth . We should do it . That's great With shoots and ladders .
Speaker 2Let's do it Sub , sub it Done . We have to do it before this episode comes out because Patent pending anyhow . No , I love birth experience .
Speaker 1I I said the ideal birth , birth ideal birth wave , my magic wand birth .
Speaker 2I also love , uh uh , an idea I've sent some of my clients called birth mapping , and it's by a lady out of australia named katherine bell and she was pretty big like early 2000s and um she she equ gives the analogy of like going on a trip and you know your destination right , but you might hit a roadblock .
Speaker 2And you know very much that game board analogy . But I love the birth mapping because for my type A clients who very much want to see an event timeline , they want to say I always say it's like choose your own adventure novel too . If you do this , then I know these are my next options , this or this .
Speaker 2And if I choose this , then I know this is my next option , this or this but what if this happens ? And that can circle me back to here , you know , and there's no way you can predict that , there's absolutely not . And thank God , because we're all individuals and your little pumpkin doodle and your tummy is not like anyone else . And why would their birth be like anyone else ? Right , even with managed care , where I know certain things are going to happen , say , um , this is and this is outside of a , you know , high risk , or red flags , or teriatric or any of those variables Right .
Speaker 2But um yeah , the word plan backfires every time , absolutely .
Speaker 1Well . So I was curious and I decided I'm like , okay , I'm going to look this up .
Speaker 2Where did birth plans originate . Oh , yes , please Like . Where did this come from
Birth Preferences vs Birth Plans
Speaker 2?
Speaker 1Read it so birth plans originated in the 1980s as a part of the natural childbirth movement , which emphasized informed decision making and reducing unnecessary medical interventions . Yes , yes .
Speaker 2Yes , that's amazing , love it , love it .
Speaker 1Love where it originated from right . That's incredible , I'm sorry . They encourage parents to outline their birth preferences , to improve communication with providers and promote more individualized care . That is the best Love that .
Speaker 2That is the best .
Speaker 1I love hearing that . I love hearing . That's where it originated .
Speaker 2How did it go from ?
Speaker 1Right . How did it go from yes , misty loves it to yes , misty is like eh , I'm not really keen on the term birth plan , so before this birth , was largely dictated by hospital protocol , which we kind of know it still kind of is it is .
Speaker 2It is Often with a little input from the birthing people .
Speaker 1Birth plans became a tool to advocate for choices like mobility during labor , delayed court clamping or minimal intervention . However , over time , the rigid interpretation of birth plans has sometimes led to disappointment when birth unfolds unpredictably , highlighting the importance of flexibility . That's a cute informed unpredictability , exactly so , like anything , like anything , it started from . It originated from a really good place , place .
Speaker 1Sure , right , this is why we started making this , and then it's like I feel like we took it to such an extreme as always . Um , that what happens is it then becomes more like a checklist well , and then you're set well .
Speaker 2Oh my gosh , that just hit a core something in me . Do you ever feel like you're hired as part of a checklist ?
Speaker 1oh , yeah , thankfully not very much , but I have had that feeling like it may not be .
Speaker 2Yeah , not common I don't get it often , yeah , but there's been a one or two where I was like wow , I think I'm on your list , because you're actually not listening to anything I'm telling you right right , but it's cool to have a doula yeah , you're always gonna find that .
Speaker 1I feel like you're always gonna find those that you know . Oh well , my sister had a doula , so I need one .
Speaker 2Yeah , and just like that the birth plan becomes that list where you do all these things , thinking the outcome will be you know this , and then it's not Right .
Speaker 1And immediately , you think , going back to our episode of you know myths of a doula Misconceptions . Yeah , yeah , I'm going to save you episode of you know misconceptions .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , I'm gonna save you , I'm gonna save you , yeah right , right , um , or having me is gonna prevent any of the other things but I feel like you know , it's kind of like a checklist and then any kind of deviation from that right . What I see a lot and I know you have , because we've talked about this is like then our clients feel like they failed , like they that that is , that's paramount .
Speaker 2You know just that . You know that , um , yeah , disappointment , yeah , because they and they we automatically default to I did something wrong or um , because that I didn't check that off my list . You know that , that . Um , that is why that automatically they assume that okay so birth outcome is belly birth or sunroof birth or cesarean I like those other ones , but yeah um right , and then that , and then it's like , oh well , it's because I didn't do something right .
Speaker 2Right , it's always like that yes , I mean yes , okay , I shouldn't say always , very rarely and , and really I get it . I understand that that they actually recognize . Do you know something there ? Thank God that we have the ability to deliver your baby via cesarean Right .
Speaker 1And so , yeah , they're there for a reason .
Speaker 2Yeah , we should put a warning label on that , because that right there is just going to hit so many nerves and so many people in our industry .
Speaker 1Right .
Speaker 2Would you agree ?
Speaker 1No 100% .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , and I think that I don't know , and I think that I don't know . I nerd out my science . Brain goes in circles because there are births . I walk away from where . I'm like there's no way that baby would have been born any other way . There's nothing that mom could have done .
Speaker 1There's nothing .
Speaker 2The medical team could have managed . There's nothing . And so thank God we have the options like that yeah , and everyone's well um . I don't like it when they're like you know , goals , healthy mom , healthy baby year yeah , standard .
Speaker 1What is it ? Healthy mom , healthy baby , which I , I don't disagree with I don't praise god we have a healthy mom and yeah , baby , I think it just also do .
Speaker 2Um , takes away some . There's just so much more to it . There's just so much more to it . But , yeah , the whole idea of a plan . So what would you say instead of a plan ? What do you tell your clients ? Like sorry guys , remember I have a home office here and this is where we're recording and we have puppies , corgi .
Speaker 1Corgi have puppies so you might hear them in the background . Occasionally it's real life . So I again you know it's preferences ideal birth . Like , paint me a picture .
Speaker 2Like walk me through , you know what do you want .
Speaker 1And , oh my gosh , I love it when that happens . I love it when that happens . I love it when we can get that , but it's not always the case . So you know what is your ideal birth . Look like Right .
Speaker 2And there's so many choices you do have . Like did you , I know , for like we , like you said , we'll dive into our particular birth race , but even as a whole , for both of my kids being born , I didn't . I had been at birth , I had watched so many people have babies and yet defaulted to good patient in my head and didn't give myself those choices . You know , I didn't have somebody else reminding me . Oh hey , you don't have to do that .
Speaker 1That's why you can't doula yourself .
Speaker 2You cannot doula yourself . No , fyi , just don't doula yourself .
Speaker 1you cannot doula yourself no , if I just don't do it .
Speaker 2Yeah , if you're a doula , don't do , don't think you don't need a doula , yeah , right , yeah , so you forget that . And and it's funny because even my clients that we talk about all of it and what experience you want in big , major decisions . A , where do you want a birth ? Do you want a midwife or an ob ? Um , do you ?
Speaker 1want . Those are great things to have on that plan . Totally do you want intervention control ?
Speaker 2first
What You Can Actually Control
Speaker 2yeah , let yeah go , go what what's the well ?
Speaker 1number one , what can you control ?
Speaker 2yeah , exactly who's my provider ?
Speaker 1who's my provider ? Where am I gonna have ?
Speaker 2this baby , absolutely right like what are some things ? Do you want pain intervention , right ? Do you want knowing that ? Also asterisk . If you've never had a baby , you know where you decide to give birth will dictate what intervention you can have . Yes , Right , so birth center . They do not have the epidural .
Speaker 1Right epidural narcotic like fentanyl .
Speaker 2Right .
Speaker 1Some will have nitrous oxide exactly you know where you're located , right ?
Speaker 2uh , so that's a big at that . That right there where I'm gonna birth , it makes a big dictates very much what the rest of my options look like . Um , and also not having ever birthed before you , you know you can have a goal of , hey , I see myself not having pain intervention and that's wonderful and I support you on that . But what if you need it ?
Speaker 1And another thing that you really can plan for that a lot of people will leave off their plan is options for your baby . And we talk about these in our prenatal yes , with clients , like you know , and when I say options for your baby , like all , the newborn , all the newborn procedures , yeah , so you know those are definitely .
Speaker 2We'll do a whole that you have on that we will definitely that will be coming up in our our series yeah what they are what they look like . Um . What are they for right do you necessarily need ? But there's so many and that I always bring out my prenatal visit . You know we're so lucky in colorado . If you're listening anywhere else in the us , I'd love feedback on on what other states , yeah , what other states look like .
Speaker 2but you know you , when I had my own kids , they , those were not choices . Oh gosh you . It was like you birthed your baby . They took the baby , they bathed the baby , they gave the baby all the things and back when I had my kids .
Speaker 1There was . No , there was no skin . No , there was . I did not get a golden hour . I did not have golden hour . I did not have you know the skin to skin . Um , my mother-in-law actually held my second son before I did . Oh my gosh , no way yeah , so , like you know there was , there was none of that . They had a bath before I had both of mine had a bath . So , yeah , um , you know , there's things like that , like what can we control ? What can we wait till ?
Speaker 2wait for eight on the bath um the top , I think the top three . So we call it um kid , uh , child centered birth , or what do they call it at um rose , where you get the golden hour and you get the delayed quad clamping . These are all um standard procedure yeah , they're pretty standard in most hospitals here . Have you yeah , have you ever experienced where they haven't ?
Speaker 1done that I have not , I have not , not unless there was , like a medical reason , correct of why , of why not yeah .
Speaker 2So if you are birthing in colorado , yay for you , because , um , this is just . You don't even have to specify that , although I still tell my clients to do that right , that they want a golden hour for you . They want to do a delayed cord clamping to that . We can dive into that , cause theirs looks very different .
Speaker 1Theirs looks very different what I would recommend , but yeah if you look at the recommendations that they have 60 seconds , is it 60 seconds now ?
Speaker 2Yes , no way , I just had 60 seconds .
Speaker 1Okay , um the . I used to hear a lot one to three minutes but now it's like I'm hearing just 60 seconds .
Speaker 2And where did you last hear that ? Which hospital ?
Speaker 1Oh gosh which hospital was that ? No , it wasn't . Lutheran Hospital Rose .
Speaker 2Really , because I had . So it must be provider dependent , yeah .
Speaker 1I think it is .
Speaker 2And then meanwhile I have the midwife at my last birth , like it was nine , ten minutes I think I know who that was .
Speaker 1I know , was it amy ?
Speaker 2yes , yeah , love her love her , love her .
Speaker 1She's with lone tree obgyn . Yeah , amy burgess burgess .
Speaker 2She's amazing guys um , and so , yeah , that's very dependent . But , going back to , you can't control that . So , and you can delay the bathing , they , they don't have to bathe the baby . Those are things you can control . Um , dad can cut the cord . That's something you can control um let's , let's back up and talk about birth experience , what I can control , uh , how could scenarios , could you do ? There's so many different variables .
Speaker 1Oh my gosh okay , here's where's mine . I've got one , okay , go . So let's say , you want a low intervention birth ? Okay , right , I'm like I'm birthing in a hospital , okay , um , I want a low intervention birth . Okay , preferably an unmedicated birth . Okay , but more specifically like low intervention Okay , my water breaks and I don't have contractions .
Speaker 2Ooh , you get to control where you labor , yeah , right .
Speaker 1A lot of women don't know that . Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2So my water breaks .
Speaker 1So what do I have control in that situation ?
Speaker 2So you yeah .
Speaker 1Don't get me , yeah , it's loaded .
Speaker 2It's so loaded . I know that's a big one , that's a big one . They're going to want you to come in , I mean .
Speaker 1That's the first thing I think they're going to want you to come in .
Speaker 2By no means am I advocating hey , if you've had any type of issues during your pregnancy , don't go to the hospital . But I think we are not medical providers . By the way , here .
Speaker 1We don't have to do it , and we should also .
Speaker 2let me preface this by saying I am GBS negative Thank you . That helps , the data helps . So I am groupie strap Right , so I do not have groupie strap , okay , okay .
Speaker 1So I am negative on that . Perfect , perfect . What choices do I have ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I would say go home .
Speaker 1Stay home for a while .
Speaker 2Well , yeah , sorry , I'm assuming you're at that . Yeah , we get this text a lot from our clients and we go over it during our prenatals as well . But yeah , I would not go in right away .
Speaker 1And so here's Especially because contractions haven't started right . Right , if I was having contractions , that would be different um right , so he's moving well , like all the things . Um , yeah , I would , I would , I would wait till they pick up man well , to add what you said , you know we talked about this in our prenatal . I specifically talked about this one where I'm like , let's say , your water breaks your , your GBS negative Right . I want you to have a conversation with your provider .
Speaker 2What that looks like Before . Totally Before , totally Right , you can ask them .
Speaker 1There is a chance this will happen , so like if my water breaks when I'm at home . What is your typical ?
Speaker 2protocol .
Speaker 1Totally . Most of them I say that too , most , most of them are going to say we would really like to see you in having some sort of labor pattern within six hours , active labor by 12 hours , totally Even . I've heard up to 24 hours .
Speaker 2Some midwives ? Yes , I've heard that too .
Speaker 1That's what I usually tell my clients too , the university on-shoot location . I have had clients wait 24 hours , so you do have options there .
Speaker 2Yeah , um , and you for sure , yeah , and it's also your comfort level . I I will say this mrs , you tell your clients this . I always say like , if you tell me , hey , I want to come in , am I going to disagree with you ?
Speaker 1no , no , why no ? Yeah , well , your instinct , exactly . It's so true .
Speaker 2I mean , you listen to that I trust you , mom , muscle the mom and , yeah , it's so strong I trust you so also if I tell you , no , you're gonna second guess yourself for the rest of the process , right exactly yeah , so those are , those are . That's a really good , that's a big one , I think , for um decision making yeah for that decision and I think another simple one is um , oh , we should have done this for myths that getting pain intervention you're , you're
Options and Choices in Birth
Speaker 2tied to a bed , then you're not moving yeah , that's another no , I keep you turning girl as much as you can .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , for sure yeah , so you get to choose how you movement . You can be upright . Um , okay , here's , here's another one . Um , do you have to get in a hip block or iv ? Right when you get there nurses ?
Speaker 1Nurses are going to love me . I love you .
Speaker 2Love you nurses , I love you so much . You technically have to . Do you have ?
Speaker 1to no . Right , you don't so let me tell you I had a nurse at .
Speaker 2I'm mixed on this one .
Speaker 1This one , I know . I know the medical part of me is like I have some mixed feelings on it . I know the medical part of me is like gives me anxiety , gives me anxiety .
Speaker 2Yeah , I definitely have some mixed .
Speaker 1I can see both sides of it . I can too . I think that's where I have like mixed feelings on it .
Speaker 2Yeah , we're not biased in this .
Speaker 1But this is where . This is what I love . So I had a nurse at a very well-known hospital here . Tell me she personally had two home births herself , right , wow ? Um , I had a client who really wanted a very low intervention birth . Okay , um , this hospital and I'm not gonna , I just don't want to throw them under the bus , but this hospital is known for more interventions yeah , um , so anyway .
Speaker 1She said I'm gonna tell you that you're gonna have to fight for this type of birth experience , right , um ? And but what she said will always stick with me . She said policy is not law . Oh , let's repeat that hospital policy is not law so that prevails for everything Right . So do you have to have a headlock ? It's so dependent of the client no , but it is their policy . You'll hear that over and over Right . But I say I understand that is your policy , but this is my choice .
Speaker 2A lot of times what I'm choosing to do , am I at ?
Speaker 1risk . Is my baby at risk ? You know you kind of go down this list of list of things like think of the acronym brain . You know benefits , risks , alternatives , intuition , nothing that's you know when you're making your plan right , your ideal birth list . What are the benefits ?
Speaker 2what are the risks ? What are the alternatives ? My favorite , my favorite eye for intuition . Do you know ? I write that on the dry erase board good times good , yeah , if they forget I believe it . I believe or I tell them or I tell them to write it there , along with my name and son of a yeah , there you go .
Speaker 2No , I do , I love , I love that yeah , I think I also talked to a nurse at one point , who it was really . She was an older nurse and she was like , if you tell your clients to do this , it helps me on my end and I will leave you alone Because I'm not anxious . Yeah , I thought that was interesting . My client , on the other hand , is like well , it's making me anxious to get it , so go away ultimately , it is always your call , it is always your call .
Speaker 2It is always your call . You have so many decisions . So , yes , I think overall , have an idea , be informed , be educated , hire a doula to tell you all the choices that are there .
Speaker 1Hire a doula .
Speaker 2We could not possibly go over in 30 minutes the endless amount of options , choices that you have and things you can control .
Speaker 1Yeah , people are like I had no idea . Yeah , take away .
Speaker 2I had no idea that I could ask to not do this Exactly , or that I could ask to do this .
Speaker 1Of course you can , right , of course you can .
Speaker 2Of course you can being in the water being in the bath having intermittent monitoring , rattle off a couple that are just like oh , I didn't know that I think also not having or not having Pitocin after your birth ? Yes , Having Pitocin during your birth . Oh my gosh , there's so many Having a walking epidural .
Speaker 1Yeah , or do you even want you know if you're induced ? Do you really even want to start with a medical induction ? Oh yeah , can you go more non-pharmaceutical ? Yeah , you know what are your options there .
Speaker 2What are your options ?
Speaker 1there . So there's so many options , so ultimately , we could do a separate show on birth options .
Speaker 2Birth options and just what birth looks like . Like what ?
Speaker 1does a low intervention birth look like ? What does ?
Speaker 2a high intervention birth look like ? What does an induction look like ?
Speaker 1What are your options for induction ? That should absolutely be an episode .
Speaker 2But the bottom line is know what you want to experience , know that you have options , but know that birth is not linear . Absolutely , would you agree ? Oh , absolutely , say it with me .
Speaker 1Birth is not linear .
Making Multiple Plans for Possibilities
Speaker 1So I'm going to say something that some people in the birth community might smack me , or even some of them Do you want me to smack you ?
Speaker 2just for pretend .
Speaker 1Smack .
Speaker 2Smack we need , like in the old school radio days , where like so , Okay , okay , when you're making plans right . Quote unquote plans when you're making these ?
Speaker 1I want you to make different ones , oh .
Speaker 2I want you to make yeah Like if I have a mom , that's like . I want to be , you know , in medicated low intervention like make that make an adoption plan , that's right . And make a C-section plan .
Speaker 1Yeah , I know , and I've had clients tell me Plug for Canva Go ahead . Right Plug for Canva when I have had clients that I've said you know , make a C-section plan .
Speaker 2They're like oh well , I don't want to .
Speaker 1I don't want to put it out there , because if I put it out there . It could happen . I'm like , but we you're more likely to not .
Speaker 2I have to respect their feelings ultimately .
Speaker 1But in that situation , like what I would say is okay , well , maybe don't make the plan per se , but just let me throw some random things out there . If you have to have a C-section , do you want a blue drape ? Do you want to be awake ? Do you want your baby brought to you as soon as possible ? Do you know what I do ?
Speaker 2I actually do it more clinically . So I just did this with a client where I walked her through . You know , I walk you through . Hey , this is what we talk about second stage interventions and for those of you who are not in the birth world , that would be like a vacuum assist or things that happen during , like pushing and beyond . Yeah , and I approach it very clinically and I say I actually have nightmares of like waking up in a cold sweat or my client shaking me going . You didn't tell me , you know , and so I like to . I said you can take it or not . You can tell me you don't want to hear this , but I would love to walk you through clinically what that looks like yeah .
Speaker 1Why do we have them going back to you know ?
Speaker 2where did it originate ?
Speaker 1Yeah Right , there's always that like great idea of like where these originate . Where did um assisted delivery , vacuum or force ?
Speaker 2that first like why do we have it ? For a reason , why do we have it ? So um you know , or a lot of people smack you for that too , yeah , episiotomy .
Speaker 1I see that on birth plans all the time .
Speaker 2No episiotomy why is that still on that stupid paper ? I don't know they're not very common , by the way . You're here in colorado .
Speaker 1It's not very common at all , um , but there's a reason why we still first see them . Have I seen those unnecessary ones ?
Speaker 2but it's also like the myth about being tied down during a c-section , or like having your hands tied down right , but okay , but yeah , no , yeah . So pretend you're gonna wave a magic wand , gather all your information , hire a doula , hire a doula and be informed , and then have a baby invite us to your birthday party .
Speaker 1Yeah , happy birthday , yeah but no , there there's a lot , there's a lot , so we can't back it further until next time . Yeah until next time wrap it up .
Speaker 2They're turning it off right now .
Speaker 1They're like we're so done .
Speaker 2Yeah , we're over this , we're over it know , that know that you have so many choices .
Speaker 1You really are blessed in the fact that you can choose , and that's really what it is Birth choices , birth choices .
Speaker 2Preferences . It's birth preferences . Birth experience over birth plan yes Cool .
Speaker 1Love it , love it Awesome . Okay , well , until next time people See ya . Thanks for tuning in Later .
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