The Opposite Ends Podcast
Opposite Ends is a podcast about life, love, and learning as we go. Hosted by Michael, a driven entrepreneur, and Leah, a dedicated special education teacher, this show dives into the realities of relationships, personal growth, and navigating life from two completely different backgrounds. We’re not here as experts—we’re here as two people figuring it out, just like you. Through candid conversations, humor, and real-life experiences, we explore what it means to build a strong, healthy relationship while balancing careers, personal development, and the occasional debate over who’s actually right. Join us as we navigate life from opposite ends and meet somewhere in the middle.
The Opposite Ends Podcast
Breaking Barriers: Adult Friendship Evolution
We explore the challenges and solutions for maintaining adult friendships through major life transitions, while balancing professional relationships and personal growth.
• Making a commitment to intentional relationship time through regular "Bay Days"
• The importance of honest, immediate feedback rather than letting issues build up
• Finding the balance between setting boundaries and maintaining friendships with coworkers
• Different friendship maintenance styles - some need daily contact, others can reconnect after months
• Navigating friendships when transitioning into serious relationships
• Using a non-accusatory approach when addressing relationship concerns
• How career ambitions and life stages impact friendship dynamics
• Setting clear expectations in both personal and professional relationships
We'd love to hear how you navigate your adult friendships through major life changes! Share your experiences with us on social media or email us directly.
Welcome back to the opposite ends podcast. I am Leah Wolfe Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Oh, and I am michael mcgovern.
Speaker 1:Yes, we're happy to be here. We actually did film, um and record our podcast last weekend. Um, but we got into a little bit of a tiff, if you will, after the episode, after we finished recording, because, um, why did we get in a tip, michael? After the episode, after we finished recording, because why did we get in a tiff, michael?
Speaker 2:Because I just talked too much and I took up space and you were upset with me.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's not exactly it.
Speaker 2:I mean it's kind of it.
Speaker 1:No, we finished recording and I had some things that I wanted to talk about that I wasn't very clear about like how much I wanted to talk about it. I just mentioned it kind of, but it was a very vulnerable topic for me and so I was like preparing to talk about it, but I don't think michael knew the extent of how I wanted to talk about it and go about it, and so after the episode was done, I was like we didn't even touch on what I was thinking we were gonna still talk for an hour right, but I felt like I was like what the heck?
Speaker 1:like we, literally like I didn't, we didn't even touch on yeah, what we talked about we were going to touch on yeah but so then we um got into a tiff about it and um I hurt his feelings and he hurt mine and he said sorry. And then we made an action plan. We did, we made an action plan we did?
Speaker 2:We made an action plan. We said, well, it's like you know it's, we're both busy and you know we said that we were going to record these on you know a certain day of the week and then it was just like that didn't happen ever. You know what I mean. It was like all right, we were going to do it on Saturday mornings and then just busy and stuff I had stuff that didn't happen. So we kept trying to jam it in at the end of the day and rushing in here to get it done after I'd been working all day and you too.
Speaker 2:And so we're just like we've got to come up with a game plan. We can't just assume that we're going to be able to make the time for it and then show up the way that we want to. And so we said that, hey, on Sundays we're gonna have bay day and that's in. Podcasting is included in that and you know that. Uh, you know, we set the time aside for us.
Speaker 1:I think that's important right and I you know me being the kind of type a person that I am I like wrote out not a script, but like exactly what we're going to be talking about, conversation points to touch on so that we can make sure, like both people are heard and, like get you know, talk about what they want to talk about. Yeah, so that it's not, like you know, one of us going off on a tangent that takes 15 minutes but that 15 minutes takes up with something that, like, you really wanted to say or I really wanted to talk about yeah, so just communication, that's all it is you know, I mean, yeah, we got to communicate, it was kind of funny though, because after I'm like you need to say sorry, i'm'm like I'm like that really hurt my feelings and you're like you hurt my feelings, I felt like I was like it was just funny.
Speaker 1:But anyway, today we're just going to be talking about some of you know just how my recovery is going and some reflections that I've had in the time that I've had off, and then we're also going to be touching on adult friendships and I think this will be really good for our listeners because we'll be able to provide two different perspectives on this, because, for those of you that don't know, Mike and I have a 9 to 10-ish year age gap. So my perspective of adult friendships, I guess, if you will, is like post-grad college, because there's a lot of transition pieces with that and friends. And then you'll be able to provide some context and perspective about, like you know, the boundaries between friend and employee and like how that can kind of be blurred, and you know just recent situations that we've had in the company and because I, you know, I feel like that's a pretty relatable and relevant topic, um, for a lot of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah, but so how's the leg?
Speaker 1:It's good I'm back at work and I'm loving it. I was going really crazy, but, um, I mean it's been great. I um it feels really good. I was really humbled the other. The other day, though, at physical therapy, I was doing leg press for the first time, and I mean, with both my legs I could leg press. I mean I wasn't going super hard, but like 200 pounds, and he's like okay, just do it with your right leg, which is my bad leg, and I was scared, like I thought that it was going to like give out leg and I was scared, like I thought that it was gonna like give out.
Speaker 1:Was it like shaking? Yeah, I was shaking. It was going back and forth and I'm like it's gonna break again. I'm like no, I told my physical therapist I was like I'm scared, we hold it. I'm scared but, um, I like pressed like 60 pounds it's good right, like, but I mean it's, it's.
Speaker 1:It is kind of depressing. I mean like yesterday, like trying I was flexing both my legs and like my left leg is like way more obviously, way more, you know, ripped than my right one, but like it literally has no muscle definition at all yeah, but he did say that. Um, I asked him. I was like okay, hypothetically speaking, do you think I could run a marathon in october? And he was like yeah yeah, so that gave me a lot of yeah, some hip excitement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just hope. I'm like okay, so when can I start?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know that doesn't just happen in a day, so but it's been, it's been good and I think I've been able to, you know, reflect on a lot of things. And I, you know, found myself, with the time I had off, re-listening to a lot of our episodes and I'm like sitting there and I'm like, oh, I'm like I sound so stupid, I'm like I add no value to these conversations. Like people are gonna listen to this and be like what the fuck is she talking about? Like she's just like a yes. She's like yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, okay. Like I just feel like I sound so dumb.
Speaker 1:But then I had to like really sit and think with myself and be like who gives a fuck? Yeah, like truly, who gives a fuck? Like I? I feel like I've, you know, I worry so much about like proving myself that, like you know, I'm, I know what I'm talking about and I'm in any type of comfort, any type of topic at work or, like you know, I'm smart, I know my stuff. So, just because I feel like people, you know, my whole life my identity has just been tall, skin, skinny and pretty, truly, and so I feel like I've had to prove myself a lot in a lot of different aspects of my life. So that was like a deep reflection that I had. You know cause. I was like why do I care so much?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm thinking like who's going to be? Like oh well, what if this person listens to this? Like that's so embarrassing. Like, oh, I feel so. Like I have embarrassed, secondhand embarrassment but I'm like I don't care. Like this is fun, I enjoy doing it.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, and I think that for me, the most impactful um you know, whether it's conversations or podcasts or um, you know, content, whatever it is, I think for me it's I've always had my, again the most impactful, the most fulfilled and the most authentic message when I just do it. For me you know what I mean. Like, even us doing this. It's like, yeah, it's for you know, listeners and for people to hear our perspective, but at the end of the day, like I do this for me, because I like to spend the time with you and I like to, you know, make sure we get an hour or so that we sit down and talk and work through things and like, if nobody listened to it, I could care less. If everybody listened to it, I could care less.
Speaker 2:It's not like, and my identity is not tied up in. If people hear me or what they, you know, think of my intelligence or you know anything like that. And that took me a long time. Like, you know, I mean again, you know our, you know our 10 years apart, right, and you know, 10 years ago I definitely didn't think like that. You know what I mean. I did, I did care a lot more what people thought about me and you know the image and you know all of these things and you know fast forward to where I'm at now. It's just you drive yourself crazy if you worry about everything that everybody else thinks. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing, too, that I had to kind of remind myself, cause I feel like, with the time that I had off, like I was putting so much pressure on myself, like this is my time to be, like finding my new passion and finding my new you know hobby that I am so passionate about, you know whatever. And like, as I was, my time off was coming to an end, I'm like fuck, I'm like I haven't found it. I'm like oh no, my time's running up, but I, you know, really had to like slow down because oftentimes, like you know, you are such a uh, like you have such a desire to learn and to grow and I do too, but in a different way yeah you know, and so I think sometimes, like I compare myself and I'm like, well, should I be reading a book about this, should I be listening to this podcast?
Speaker 1:and I had to sit with myself and be like do you like, do you necessarily think that? That like, do you care to listen to that shit? Right like be honest with yourself like do you really, even if you tried to put that shit on, would you be paying attention because you gave a fuck?
Speaker 1:probably not right, you know what I mean and that's okay, yeah, and so, like I think you know, just taking a step back and being like he is 10 years ahead of you, you know, and not even to compare myself to you, but but, like you know, obviously you're super, super successful and you know, I consider myself that too. But I think you know there's different standards for success in that way too, like there's truly no standard. Like you know, I always think back when I'm laying on my deathbed. You know, what am I going to regret that I didn't do? And it's like there's no. When you're dying, you don't get a trophy for being the most successful, you don't get a fucking medal.
Speaker 1:You know, no one's going to be like oh yeah, you so successful, you know like. I mean, I don't know like there's different levels to, there's no standard that you hold yourself to my standard and my version of success is like, you know, helping people and feeling like I'm making people feel heard and like giving people an outlet to.
Speaker 1:you know, a safe environment if that makes sense or whatever and that's not better or worse than anybody else's, you know but I think that I just had to like really be honest with myself and like take a step back and be like you need to slow down, check, figure it out.
Speaker 2:When I got to. I mean, I moved up here when I was 27. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's not like I've been doing this for right. You know 20 years. It's like I started it. You know my my first ever completed front to back book. I was 28 years old the first time I ever read a book, a full book.
Speaker 1:So it's like you know what I mean it's like that gives me a lot of time, because the last book I read was like judy b jones. Right, you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean. So it's like you know what I mean. Yeah, well, that gives me a lot of time, because the last book I read was like Judy B Jones, right, you know what I mean. So it's like it's just, it's all in.
Speaker 2:And the thing is what I think, where so many people get it, you know, twisted and whatnot on it, is that you know they feel, like you said I was taking this time off, I feel like I needed to, like I could get into, and because I'm like going to be behind and like what if I don't find this thing and it's, you know, to me, the skills that we learn every day are transferable into everything, right, and so, like it doesn't matter if what you're doing right now is, you know, focused on teaching and like, but do that to your the best of your ability, right, do it, they say, you know, do all your work like you're doing it for God. So it's like, put yourself out there fully, try as much as you can, do your best at what you're doing right now, because guess what, everything that you're doing and building in this area of your life will be easily transferable to anything else when the time comes Right. And so I always look back and it's like, yeah, I wasn't doing this stuff since I was 20, but I'd been playing hockey since I was 14. You know what I mean? And hockey, in my mind, that was building all the building blocks for business and everything else, because I was driving two or three hours a day to get to the rink.
Speaker 2:I was up early, I was disciplined, I didn't party, I didn't drink, I ate good, and it was just like every day was like discipline, train, consistency. So I was able to build and craft those muscles where a lot of people, when they first get into business, you know or if it's first get into anything, you know, they don't necessarily have those, you know that foundation built. And so I think that you know, no matter what you're doing, you're still showing up every day for your students, you're still expanding your mind, you're learning. Like that will all transfer into something eventually, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1:Or maybe it won't, and that's okay too for sure, and I think too, I went to a really good um professional development on uh thursday and it was all about um, like trauma in the brain and like um how it affects you, like throughout your life um, but like I loved learning about that, like we learned about like how you know infants, like the impact of trauma on babies and how that can like really be detrimental for like their brain in the rest of their life.
Speaker 1:And like I was just sitting there like staring, like I think I kind of freaked out the presenter because I was sitting there and I was like staring at her.
Speaker 1:I just was like it was just amazing and I loved learning about that kind of stuff and so you know, obviously I knew that that was already a passion of mine, but just learning about it in a different way, you know, was really impactful for me. But and it just helps understand humans more, you know and that's that's something that I always love learning about is just how humans work and why humans behave the way they do, whether that's based on trauma or that's just how they're wired.
Speaker 2:Spiral dynamics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a lot to it and I love I mean, I love learning about it. That's one of the biggest things I study is like NLP and spiral dynamics and figuring out why people do what they do, cause even if you're a teacher or you're a leader, it's like you have to understand how to inspire and motivate and get the most out of people. And you got to understand that every person is different. You can't approach every person the same way. You've got to be able to have a relationship with each of them and you know know what gets them, and know what inspires them, and know what you know drives them, because I can't dangle a carrot the same way for one person as I can another person, because that carrot's going to be different for everybody right and I think that you know I've really tried to learn about, learn a lot about that.
Speaker 1:Um, just based on my role now, like when I started this is my first year at this school and when I came in it was like walking into a like fully well-oiled, successful machine. And I came in coming from. You know, it's only my second year teaching and my last year teaching was crazy. So I'm like, like, coming in and I had no idea and I I just remember feeling so like kind of threatened, not threatened, but just like I don't know the word for it but just scared. I was like I can't fuck this up. Like I mean, they, my paraprofessionals, are literally some of the most hardworking and like just like they know exactly what to do, when to do it, they have great ideas, they like. But it's also so I felt like coming in as a lead teacher, I'm 24 years old and they're all older than me. I'm like, oh my god, I'm like where's my place here?
Speaker 1:I'm like, I'm like I don't, you know, I'm not sure I don't know how to delegate roles to people like that, especially like I don't really know what to delegate. I'm only a second year teacher like this is a, you know, my classrooms can be really intense, like so, but at the same time, it's like I linked it back to running, because I'm like you always want to train with someone that's a little bit faster than you, and so I'm like this is exactly the place where I need to be to grow as a teacher, because all of these people are better at my job than I am but there's also part of things that you bring to the table that they don't think about, you know yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:But I just remember, like my first week being there, I mean, obviously I was super overwhelmed and like, oh my god, like they're gonna think I'm a shitty teacher, like I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing. I still don't, but I just remember being like, okay, I always my running buddy always ran faster than me and they are the reason why I was able to like run a marathon. So it's the same thing here. I'm like you know.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, no one's gonna wait me, you just gonna surround.
Speaker 2:That's why I have, you know, friends and mentors that are you know ahead of me right, like I, I think you've got a and that's the hard part, because, you know, getting into the relationship side right, where it's like business relationships and friendships and and things like that. It's you know they can also hold you back a lot too. Yeah, and things like that it's you know they can also hold you back a lot too. And you know that's one of those things where you you've just got to, you got to be super aware of just you know, is the people in the you know, the conversations and the things that you're doing on a day-to-day basis. Are they getting you closer to that version that you want to become or are they getting you farther away Because it's one or the other?
Speaker 1:Well, and that, are they getting you farther away? It's one or the other, and that's the thing too that I had a lot of trouble with like um, you know, in the beginning of the year and still now, like making calls for my kids and making um quick decisions and stuff. Like I always felt really insecure and always do feel really insecure doing that, because I'm like, well, what are they going to think of me? Like, should I not make that call? Should they? Are they going to think that I'm worried that something else is going to happen? Like I brought it, took it personally yeah and I'm like this is not.
Speaker 1:This is not about like yeah this has nothing to do with you, chick like you just kind of try it see you know throw shit at the wall.
Speaker 1:See what sticks you know, and if it's not something that they've tried in the past, that's okay, like you know, and if it's something, because I felt really you know, honestly, really threatened at first and I didn't want that to hinder any of my relationships with any of my co-workers, obviously, like, but I also wanted them to think of me as a leader, but I didn't know how to do that you know what I mean like that imposter syndrome was really intense, so I honestly just had to like fake it, obviously just fake it till you, make it, I mean I don't know, but.
Speaker 2:I. That's the only way to learn if you never.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You have to mess up. Well, yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I think, honesty too. Like I remember, you know, to this day, I'm like listen, like I know this person is really good at helping create, really good at coming up with different incentive ideas for kids, and I'm like, very honest, Like I don't know what to do here, Like I need your help you know what I mean Instead of just like trying to do something on my own because, like I feel like I need to have that authority of just doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I don't know how to fucking do it, and I know this person's really good at it, so I had to kind of like set my pride aside and be like I need you to help me with this for a long time and the people that are good at 100% so but, um, yeah, so what do you think?
Speaker 1:um kind of segueing into, like you know, adult friendships and we can furthermore into friendships while you're in a relationship, but in I mean your company specifically delegating roles and holding people accountable and like having that leadership, um kind of authority, if you? Will like how? How do you create that boundary Cause?
Speaker 1:half the people on your team are also your friends right so like how do you have those like hard conversations where they don't take it personally and you might feel kind of weary about having these conversations cause you don't want to upset them. How do you go about?
Speaker 2:that, yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, no different than I talk about like spiral dynamics, right. And spiral dynamics is essentially saying like there's levels to the human experience, right, and a business has those same experiences, those same levels, Right. And so when you're looking at a, you know when Spiral Damage is like a level one is essentially it is. You know it's food and water, right, it's like a survival is what a level one is Right. And you know level two is tribe. So it's like your level two is that you are seeking for, you know, to be a part of a tribe, be a part of a group, right. Level three is like a power God, right. You, you kind of get that level. It's my way, or the highway. Here's how things need to be done for us, like a scalability systems. You know things are a certain way and they continue to go up and none of them is good nor bad. It's just how we think and respond to different things. And I say all that because you know our life experiences is like that and the business is like that, right, the business has life cycles and it has these things. And so when a business, you know you can't go from zero to a six, right, you've got to go through all the levels of a business. So, like, level one of a business is survival, right, it's like I got to make sure that we just throw and shit at the wall. See what sticks Anything. Can you know, I'll do whatever it is, as long as it's making money, right, you know.
Speaker 2:Then you get into your. You know, you get into a level two. It's like, all, right, now you want to build a tribe. Right Now, people know about the business, they want to come be a part of it, they want to come be a part of something bigger than themselves, right? Then a level three is that, like you have to kind of step into that. You know the leadership role of the business and say like, hey, listen, you know, it is my way. Or the highway, like this is how it has to be, because systems have to be put in, processes that have to be put in. And then, you know, get into systems, processes, repetitive scalability, and so you know a business has all those kinds of levels to it.
Speaker 2:And I say that because when you start a business, you've got a. You know, we started a business, you've got, you've kind of got to get anybody to come work for you, right, like I used to say, like you know, if you got a pulse we'll hire you. Right, and so it's like you, you got to try to get people to come in. And then, as you start to build that, then, like, people want to're willing to, like, try it because they want to be, they want to feel like they're in something Right, and so, and then you hit that next level of like there has to be one person that's the leader there. You can't serve more, you can't serve two masters, Right, and so there has to be a guy that's the guy and where that's the CEO or whoever it is that's doing it. It's like the business has to have that, because if it doesn't have, like, a North star or somebody that's like setting that standard, setting the expectation, then then no expectations get set Right.
Speaker 2:And so in friendships, when you're starting a business, you you know a lot of your friends want to come work with you and they want to be a part of it, because it's like, oh, this is a great idea, right, but a lot of them love the result, they don't love the nature, they don't know what's actually going to require to to become that. And as a founder right, you can't necessarily, you know, have a lot of those conversations with people of like this is what's really going on. Like we've got payroll coming up on Friday and it's going to cost us 80 grand. Then there's $30,000 in the bank account right now. You can't go tell people that because that now you just set panic. It's like blood in the water, right, and then everyone's like, oh man, we're gonna fail, I'm not gonna get my paid. So it's like you've got to be able to, you know, internalize some of those things. But what happens in doing that is that you also like protect people from the truth. You know what I mean. So then, as they want to level up and be more of a part of it, there's going to be things that will be required of them that they are unaware of.
Speaker 2:And so, with friendships inside of business, you know, what I have learned is that you know, as a founder, it's hard, because when you first started, you can't just you can't see that.
Speaker 2:You can't see five years down the road of like here's how I got to be Right.
Speaker 2:And so in the beginning, like it's hard to have those hard conversations and you don't want to say something it might hurt somebody's feelings. I mean, I had an employee that had been with me for three years right A couple of weeks ago and you know, probably the first time that I ever had a hard conversation with them and it wasn't, you know, obviously I think it probably got a little heated throughout, but there was never an intention to, like you know, belittle or hurt their feelings or anything like that. But I also had to have a hard conversation of like it has to be this way. I understand that what you're thinking, but it has to. This has, it has to happen. You know what I mean. And they didn't like that, they didn't want that confrontation and it ruined our friendship and it ruined the business relationship, and you know. So what I have learned over time is that you know, you, as a founder, you have to be so secure in knowing that people are really there until they, you know, as long as they can get something from you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I also think it's important to like in having those conversations. Hard conversations are easier the more frequently, frequently you have with them have them like you know things, even little things that come up, you talk to them about it, whatever, then nip it in the bud, because that's a lot easier and it's there's a lot less of a chance for it to become like a big thing.
Speaker 1:Not saying that, that's what happened within this recent scenario, but there's, you know, a lot less of a chance of something like that happening when the hard conversations are more freaking, frequent, because they're less threatening of that.
Speaker 2:It's radical cand candor. You know what I mean. You gotta, you gotta try to have a culture of radical candor, but that requires everybody to be on the same page. That, hey, if I have to have a hard conversation, it's not because they hate me, it's because they care about me and they want to see me be successful, not because they're coming down on me right and they want.
Speaker 1:They want the, the friendship and the relationship to last yeah, you know what I mean, yeah because a lot of times too and what I've experienced with friendships is like there will be, you know, I I've been friends with a lot of friends for a really long time but like there will be things that have happened, you know where I hurt their feelings or they hurt mine that it's not really talked about in the moment.
Speaker 1:And then, like I had a um recently, like a really good friend of mine that I've been friends with forever and um, you know, just recently they reached out and was like hey, I'm not sure that, like we can be as close as we've been in the past, and it like destroyed me. I was really sad and I was like like what? The like, what is this coming from? Like I'm so confused, like we have been through so much bullshit together. I'm like what?
Speaker 1:But it was one of those things where it was like there's a lot of little things that had happened within that timeframe that weren't really addressed in that moment. And so, like you know, she felt like I was doing things that hurt her feelings, you know, but I didn't really know that I was doing that in that moment. And then, you know, it just kind of built up to this point where she was like, okay, I can't do this anymore, yeah, but which is understandable and everything that you know she said was very valid. But to me I was like I felt terrible and I was like, oh my God, like I didn't know that you felt this way for this long. Like you know, had I known, like things could be way differently, but you know, everybody has their own way of doing things and, like I said, like everything that she said was very valuable and was valid, um and but it was a big learning thing for me when I think that most people aren't willing to learn from that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's the most, that's the most powerful thing out of a situation like that and same, you know, the same situation that I that you know happened to me, right, it's like I didn't really want the way that it turned out to be the way that it turned out, but it also showed me things, right, it showed me, you know, someone's ability to receive something, or you know what I was kind of thinking. And if it was true, like your gut is always, like you always know you know what I mean. Like, so, if I would have just trusted my gut back, like you said, not putting things off, not saying things like oh man, like I, cause I'm the kind of person, too where I'm like man, I want people to grow and I want them to learn.
Speaker 2:I don't want to you know right, and I don't want to put the flame out on them, but that's one thing that I've learned to keep the business growing on it, the way that it has to grow, and also the relationships inside of it, is like you just have to be honest. You know what I mean and you've got to be able to. I had a hard conversation with Reese the other day, and not a hard conversation, but I'm just like, hey, man, I need these things. Like, if you tell me we're meeting at 11, I need to have this, this, this. Like it's not a meet at 11, fucking hang around for an hour, get to it.
Speaker 2:It's like, dude, I got so much stuff going on that like I'm setting time aside for us to have this conversation on the weekend so that we can get things done. And you know I sit here and we're like you're preparing for it and it's like, but I asked, I have to. Like that's me being that type of leader that has to set that standard and set that expectations right. Like the whole last week, I've put a hundred hours into building out you know uh, employee handbooks on just like each role, the clarity of it, what the KPIs are, what the expectation. Like those things have never been done. You know, we're five years into a business and no one's ever really been like ah, this is exactly what my role looks like. But then, as a leader like I, can't turn around and be upset with somebody for them not doing their job because I didn't say I didn't, you know I didn't really explain that Right.
Speaker 2:So it's like you have to make sure that if you are holding somebody to a certain standard or having an expectation, that you're doing everything in your power to make sure that it's understood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I think you're exactly right that you know they have to be on the same page, like, or else they will take it as threatening or personal.
Speaker 1:Um, so I think that that's a really good point and that's the same thing, you know, with just friendships in general, like you know. Cause back to the example that I gave. Like we were able to have a lot of really hard conversations about things, but a lot of times too, it was like when we were having these hard conversations it didn't. We both left not feeling any better yeah you like, it didn't really go anywhere didn't resolve it didn't.
Speaker 1:I mean, and I didn't have any expectation to resolve the problem, necessarily, but to create, to come up with some like to bring awareness of, like, how we're making each other feel, um, you know, and.
Speaker 1:But it just came down to like we had totally different viewpoints and totally two, totally different perspectives on things yeah and it was one of those things where, like, we're all in the same friend group and you know, I don't think that we we're not never going to be friends, like this person is still one of my close friends but you know, that's in this point of time and in this season, like she, that's what she needed. She needed to like just kind of take a step back, which I respect, that you know, had. I wish it gone a different way.
Speaker 1:Sure, but like that's not up to me, you know, that's a decision she made and I respect her and value her as a friend, so that's not going to.
Speaker 1:I mean, mean, I don't love her any less yeah but, um, I mean, yeah, it really like it was hard. But I think you know, as we grow up, like I graduated college two years ago and you know, growing up like you're friends with people because of proximity and common interests, you know you go to school with them. I made a bunch of friends riding horses at the barn. Like I had two separate friend groups because of proximity and similar interests, and same in college. You know you, I joined a sorority, made a bunch of friends in the sorority and I was also on the equestrian team and that's how I met one of my best friends. Natalie was on the equestrian team and, um, so when you graduate, like for me, I graduated and moved away.
Speaker 1:I moved states away and removed myself from the opportunity to make friends that way and, looking back, like I wish that I had, you know, joined a running club or, you know, I keep telling myself like, oh, I want to go and ride horses again, you know, because that's something that I like and an opportunity to meet new people. But I think you have to be. It's really hard because this is the first time in a lot of people's life where, like, they aren't going to make friends based off of those two things as easily you know like um, obviously you'll have friends at work and but that's different.
Speaker 1:Work friends are different, you know. So, um, but I think it's it's really hard, especially once you graduate and, like I am the only girl in our friend group that is in like a serious relationship and is living with their boyfriend, and so that's been a hard transition for me and for my friends. You know, I was living with one of my best friends and we were roommates and then two of our other good friends were in the same apartment complex, so it was kind of the same thing. We were like in a dorm again and it was super fun.
Speaker 1:But I think, you know, the transition of me moving out before my lease was up to move in with you was like I mean, it was obviously something that I wanted to do, but I think it was a hard transition for me and my friends and I think that I could have gone about it a little bit better. I didn't really have like a conversation with them about it and one like it was a pretty gradual move. I mean it was like I'll take a little here. It wasn't like I'm going to move it on this date.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, but you know, I one of the things that I wish I had done was like have a more so like conversation with them about it, just so that they don't feel like I'm leaving the nest, if that makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I mean, and I don't disagree, right, I think you should always like have those conversations, but I've also learned that the you know, and I've gone through.
Speaker 2:I mean you know, my my being ahead of you, you know a few years as well. As you know I've kind of seen all those things happen, right. So after high school, you know I had all my high school friends and I had my hockey friends, and then you know, I moved away and you know all my friends stayed home and just either got into the workforce you know pretty much none of them went to college. You know I was away playing hockey and so I would only see them in the summer times and when I come here in summer it would just be like we're partying all the time and that was how our, that's how we were Right and love all that.
Speaker 2:I've been in some of their weddings and you know all of that. But you know I, over the years, like I could tell that we were just like fading apart because my dreams and aspirations were different than theirs, not one's good or bad but you know I wanted to build a company and get into business, and you know all that. And they, they all got married and had kids, and so there were words on different you know different cycles of life and then obviously me moving away to here. And you know I've realized that to me like even those guys, though it's like I could go months without talking to them, have a conversation, and we kick it right back up where we were.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Guys and girls are different though, yeah, 100, and I think that you know that that's one of the things that I've learned as a guy is that you know you can have that and that's kind of surface level some guys right, but at the same time, like you know, I probably have three, maybe three like best friends in my life now right, there's time I had 10 of them, you know what I mean. And now I've got three, maybe two, two, you know, and and those two or three like yeah.
Speaker 2:And and you know those two or three, it's like I know that you know I could go months without talking to them, you know, and not like I don't have to keep them updated on what's going on, you know, it's just like, but we know we were under the understanding of like you're on your mission, I'm on my mission, like I don't need you to talk to me. And and you know, we don't have to like consistently, like build this friendship because, like we know that I got my, you have my back, I got your back and, no matter what, you can come to me for anything and it's unconditional. It's not like, uh, you have to do this and this to be able to be in this lane.
Speaker 1:Right, and I think that that comes back to like understanding what people's needs are, you know. And so I had a really good conversation with one of my best friends, hannah. Um, she came over and we were just talking and she was my roommate, she's who I lived with, and we were just talking and I was just like hey, like I feel like I owe you, like an apology, like I didn't really like talk to you about me moving out, like I just kind of did, and you know, I feel really bad. And now I'm like I don't know, I'm totally living here full time, but like before, like to me it was always like well, I still have my apartment, I'm still paying rents.
Speaker 1:Like I don't, I don't fully live here Like my stuff's still there, Like I'm not fully moved in but I am. And so, like I, you know, she came over and we had a really good conversation about like I apologize, and I was like I'm sorry we didn't have, like you know, should have done that, and I was like so, but I mean I can't go back in time, so I want to have this conversation now. Um, and she was, we were just talking and she was just telling me, like you know, this is a different season of life for you, and she's like, and yeah, you might be, that's different than the rest of ours but, that doesn't make it worse you know, um, but she was like but managing our friendship, she's like I want to stay, I want to be best friends with you forever.
Speaker 1:She's like, but this is what, like, I need to like feel fulfilled in that. And so you know, one of the things we talked about was like setting intentional time. You know, just like, how we do, and so you know we get, we get together like just her and I, once a week and we do. You know we'll go shopping or whatever girl things, go to lunch, get her nails done, whatever. Um, once a week, just her and I, and then we'll um get together as a group some other time in that week, um, but that's also like it.
Speaker 2:Look she's also being intentional a hundred percent you know what I mean which is powerful because you can't have one person you know, because even in other you know situations it's like all right, well, neither person are are into you know, or one person is giving effort, the other person is not, and then people can be frustrated because they're like, oh, you're not trying and it's like, well, am I supposed to only be the one trying? You know what I mean. Like you could pick up the phone and call me too and ask hey, can you come meet? It's like you know, so many relationships are so conditional on like, if you do what they want, well right, and not you directly, just in general.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think too, like I've had friends before that you know have this expectation but don't communicate that with you and then when you don't meet that expectation, they cut you off. That's not fair. Like if you, my biggest thing is like if I have a friend that has a, has a problem with me or a situation and or even in the workplace, and they don't talk to me about it, how the fuck do you expect? There to be any type of change in behavior yeah, or problem resolution you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like it's. I don't think it's fair at all to be like okay, well, you know, this is my last straw. If she doesn't reach out to me in the next three months, that I'm done right, you know and it's like that's not what like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And um well, people are just there, you know like it goes both ways 100, and people, a lot of people, are, just, you know, intimidated by confrontation or they're intimidated. They would rather run away and keep their uh, you know, keep their beliefs to what they think is the truth, then facing it and maybe hearing that they were wrong, right, it just comes down to so much emotional intelligence of people of, just, you know, being willing because, you know, anybody could and I would consider myself a pretty high emotionally intelligent person, right, like I'm. You know, I might have my belief systems and things that I think are right or wrong, but I'm also the kind of person that's, like, very open to pretty much anything. You know, I've changed my. I've changed my beliefs a lot over my lifetime too, and most people aren't willing to do that.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like I grew up thinking this and this is how it was, and then my whole life, I'm going to do everything I can to confirm that my beliefs are the right thing, rather than saying, well, fuck, maybe, you know, maybe I wasn't right.
Speaker 2:Right, they're not able to really look back and say, man, can I actually think to myself that the last 20 years that I've been wrong and I've had, how many people have I had conversations with and I stood on a fucking you know. I stood on my soapbox and I and I had my belief system. And now now I'm maybe I was wrong Like they. They can't, they can't take that, and so that's what keeps them where they're at, keeps them stuck, keeps them, you know, passing through friends or only being with the same friends forever, because they're unwilling to actually look back and say, well, shit, maybe I've been wrong my whole life, maybe everything I believed wasn't true, everything my parents told me wasn't true. And you know, it's a lot harder to actually, you know, put the ego aside and say, all right, well, I'm going to, you know, I am going to evolve and grow and change and see what that brings me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I think I mean I don't know, I don't even think it's like just the willingness to have this hard, hard come. I mean maybe, yeah, obviously, but like just I don't know. To me it's like if you really value and respect a person in your life, like, and they are treating you well, you know, to me it's like you'll do everything that you can to keep them there, like if you, if you want them there, if you want them there, right, um?
Speaker 1:and if you know they think that you think that they add value to your life, then you're going to try to do everything you can to keep them there. I mean and that's not to say that you're not going to go out and make other friends and whatever but um, you know, I was just like really, I felt really good and I was like I don't know. To me, having that conversation with Hannah was like wow, like I don't know, like it was just such a mature conversation for us.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, we've've done some fuck shit together, like we've been friends since we were like eight years old, we grew up riding horses together, and so for her to just like come over and, like you know, and this is right after I got my knee surgery I'm like feeling really depressed and like sad and whatever, and we're just, you know, for her to come over and like be willing to like make that plan so that we can keep our relationship, you know, sustained and fulfilled on both of our ends, and like hear what both of us need was like the best thing, cause it was like I've never had a friend that has, like you know, done that really.
Speaker 1:I mean been like understood where I was coming from and was like happy for me to be in this place in my life to, like you know, have a boyfriend that you know meets my needs and makes me happy and, like you know, it was just happy that I'm happy you know, and like maybe the um, you know projection of our relationship might be different from like other people's relationships or how other people would be in their relationships, but the way she approached it was just, you know, like this your relationship and like how you guys do your thing and like how you know, whatever, that's what's making you happy. So that's what makes me happy. And obviously it'd be different if, like you know, we were not good for each other and super toxic you know something like that.
Speaker 1:But it's not that way, because you know I've always had a lot of anxiety about my friends. Because you know I've always had a lot of anxiety about my friends and when I had a boyfriend, you know, in college, when I would date guys, like I was just always super anxious about making sure they got along and like I didn't want there to be any tension between any of them, because I valued my friends a lot but I also valued who I was dating so I want, like wanted.
Speaker 1:I just wanted everything to be. I just wanted everyone to be happy like.
Speaker 1:I didn't want there to be any conflict. Um, and you know there was one time I did this guy in college. That was like, oh my God, it was like world war three friends hated, friends hated him, he hated my friends. It was just terrible and I think that just put a bad, put a bad taste in my mouth. And so I've just been really anxious about like everybody, everybody like each other, but at the end of the day I mean, and that was different, like that was just that wasn't a good relationship.
Speaker 1:Just a whole different vibe.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, but I think I don't know, it was just I. After that conversation with her and um, you know, it just brought a lot of clarity to mind that, like this is the type of friend that like that, like this is the type of friend that, like I want to keep in my life forever. You know what I mean. Like and it's I look forward to our little girl dates once a week.
Speaker 2:Oh, and it's good to have you know, a friend, that you don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, you know what I mean, like when you obviously you've got to, you know, you got to put effort into it and you know, but it's, there's those people out there that the more you see, you know people fall off and the more that you know you. You just see people that you thought would be in your life for a long time and they're not. And like this the aging of life and relationships, and you actually like look back and you, you know you really appreciate the ones that are there for you and you can recognize that you know what I mean, like I, had that.
Speaker 2:I always had that conversation with Ryan. It's like we're on two different levels. He's doing his thing, I'm doing my thing, but it's like, you know, we always have time for each other, even if it's a quick 15 minutes, 20 minutes. Get a phone call, stop down at the office real quick, maybe at midnight when I get to talk to him, but and there's nothing that he needs from me. You know what I mean. Like our relationship is just like here for you if you need anything. You know what I mean Everyone. You know he's having different conversations with people that you know want certain things from him and you know I'm there, like don't really need anything from you. You know, and if I'm, if I want your, if I want to talk to you an hour, we can just fucking have a, have a fucking meal and chill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that it that also goes back to like meeting, you know, understanding what people need from a friendship, because I have, you know, friends like that too. One of my best friends, sam um, she lives in Cleveland and she's the type of friend that you know. She just she is a very busy bee and so like there will be a month will go by and it won't hear anything from her. But I also know if I saw her tomorrow, we'd pick up where we left off.
Speaker 1:You know, what I mean, like it would be like nothing changed. But I also have friends that aren't like that and need like a 10 minute phone call a day you know, and they're my friends Like.
Speaker 1:I don't care and I, you know, obviously I, when you're really close with girls like that, like you FaceTime five times a day for five minutes for stupid shit all the time, but, um, yeah, I think it's just understanding, like how people feel valued and, um, you know, making sure that they feel heard and like feel listened to. Um, because you can have a lot of hard conversations but if nothing happens, post conversation that they voiced to you that they need going forward.
Speaker 1:That's when tension hurts and I think that's where the disconnects between the one friend and I. You know we did have some hard conversations but nothing happened to post.
Speaker 2:There was no action taken really.
Speaker 1:So I think that that's where, you know, we both kind of were like what the fuck? But I know like deep down like we will always love each other. It's just one of those things and again I think it. You know it'll be okay, but I think there has to be a willingness on both ends to like put in forth the effort that it's going to take life like been.
Speaker 1:you know, a learning curve for me and for um a lot of my friends is just the willingness to like set intentional time and do things you know a little bit differently because I am the first one to live with a boyfriend. I've never lived with a guy before you know, it's a lot of newness, a lot of it can be overwhelming, but, um, yeah, it's been. I feel like I've matured a lot, um, and learned a lot for sure.
Speaker 2:That's good. So that's good. I mean, like you said, it's, it's, it's all communication right, I mean no different than, excuse me, no different than in in in personal relationships, right? It's like this week you were, uh, you know we had a conversation, right, and you know it's about not not a bad thing. It was just like, hey, you're, you know you're obviously working a lot lately. You know what I mean and and you know cause you're asking me like do you think guys will do more for girls? That you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, I, yeah, I asked him this question. I said cause I, yeah, I was thinking about, um, like past boyfriends that I've had and like you know, obviously not being treated very well or treated how I, how you treat me, how I deserve to be treated, you know, and they, like, are now married or like, and I'm like, are they treating their wives how they treated me? I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, I hope not.
Speaker 1:I'm like geez. But then I was thinking like I've always heard like guys treat the woman that they love like, um, what did I say? It was like the guy. Oh, I asked like do guys put in more effort towards the woman that they truly love and want to keep in their life? Like better, and like they want to put in more effort and they want to do you know the things that the, the woman likes, or the guy likes, or whoever they're dating and marrying like do they put forth 10 times more of the effort because that's the person that they see themselves with, you know like is that why? Like obviously you date around to learn what you like about different people.
Speaker 2:Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I remember asking you that, like, do guys treat the woman that they know that they're going to marry, or whoever you know, differently or better than maybe past girlfriends that they've had? That it was just kind of like a pass by girlfriend or boyfriend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I think every person you know there's people that make you want to do better, people that you don't want to see, leave you. A lot of relationships in the journey are just surface level and for the time being and a past time, and you know what was your answer to the question?
Speaker 2:I forget yeah, you know, I said yeah because we, you know, you like, obviously, and it's like you know, we try, I I have my sprints of working a lot and you know, this week has been, you know, very, very long days and um, you know, and I knew that you earlier in the week you're just like, I feel like you just haven't really been here and when you're here you're kind of distracted and um, you know, and then the next three days I worked till nine o'clock.
Speaker 2:So it's like you know, like, but I, but I wanted to make an intention of like saying you know, I know that this isn't. You know, I heard what you said, I'm, I'm not and that's why we made our Sundays right. It was like, hey, listen, all right, and I, you know, I don't have a choice. Like, if I make the choice to not do them, then the it could affect 30 people you know, what I mean, and it's unfortunate, but that's where it's at right now.
Speaker 2:Like it's in, it's still in infant stages, no matter, even if it's five years old. You know what I mean. It's still growing. It's still a lot of things, and you know. But I think that I'm very aware of you know what I'm building and why I'm building it, and like what I'm building it towards. Like it's not, like I'm doing it because it's like oh, I just want to. You know there's a lot of things I do in a day that doesn't necessarily directly turn to money. Right, I could be out there chasing money much more and just selling and trying to fill my pockets up and doing that versus saying like, no, I'm going to slow down, I'm going to build a system that is doesn't require me, that, that I don't have that.
Speaker 2:Eventually, you know, I'm not going to be in the position of having to trade time for money anymore you know, and so, um, but I think it's just important that you know, from a relationship level, that you know you're one of your. The things that you're very good at is, you know, having those conversations, cause I'm not you know what I mean. I will just ignore it and like that's just how I've always been, that's how my I was raised, kind of like that. It was like you just, you know, something happened that was negative. You didn't talk about it and you just kind of brush it under the rug and you let it go and you just that's how it was, you know. And so you know you're really good at being able to bring it up and you know and articulate, you know why it's, you know I'm being this way or that way, or like what's going on, and you know.
Speaker 2:so I think that's that's really good and I think that's one thing that you know, makes us as good as we are is that, you know, because you cause you're a good communicator and I can communicate. When you get the wall down, you know, and being able to have somebody in your life that you know isn't attacking you and isn't coming at, like if you would have, you know, not address things in the beginning and then like let things build up and then do it. It's different, right, but like you've been really good. It's like I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna hold on to this and sit on it and not say anything and be upset like the second you come home, it's like within 15 minutes.
Speaker 1:It's like, hey, we gotta talk well, and I think it's also too like we've had a lot of practice in that you know, and in the beginning, like I mean, I've always been the one that just I just ask a lot of fucking questions and it's not to get something out of you necessarily and it's not in like an accusatory way, I'm just trying to like understand your perspective on things and why you might be doing certain things, so that I know, like not what to expect, but like I just understand where you're coming from a little bit more that it's so that I don't take it personally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I think something with with guys and girls too, is that like dude, guys are fucking dumb, like so much of the shit we do. Is it like it's like you said that to me, like you know, do you do more for someone that you love? And I'm like, honestly, like you're just making me aware of it, you know, because nine, because nine times out of 10, it's never intentional. It's just like am I getting my pattern? I'm doing this thing. I don't even think about it, I don't even realize it. Mine, I might've done something that you weren't happy about and I didn't even think twice about it because I didn't even register, it wasn't like in the focus at the time, right. And so when you're like you're not engaged or having conversations with me, I feel like you're like working and still doing stuff. It's like, oh shit, I don't even realize that.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:I'm just I, just it, just you know. So for me it's just that pattern interrupt, or it's just being able to just have a conversation to bring awareness to it. So I can just adjust a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think being able to like come at it in a non accusatory way, because that is something that I think that you know in the beginning and still, sometimes, like I if I you know there's something that I have a question about or something that we need to talk about, like I really try to err on the side of caution, of like I don't want you to think that I think you're doing this intentionally or there's something deeper behind it. Like I'm trying I don't want to like address it in an accusatory way because I know for you, your immediate reaction is going to be to be defensive and that's going to piss me off even more.
Speaker 1:So like and but I know that you know defensiveness is rooted in fear you know fear and I know that you have a strong background and, um, you get fear of abandonment and like people leaving you and whatever, and so I really try to approach things and you know a way that's like I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what's going on and not in a way of like I think you're doing something bad. Yeah, you know, like why are you at the office till 9 pm? Like you know me in the past, be like who else is there. You know what I mean. Like is like I would have driven here and seen if there were other cars in the parking lot. I'm not kidding you. I would have like seen if the lights were on and I would have walked up here and been like who else is here?
Speaker 2:like crazy, just me standing there fucking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but like that's but that's I mean I also. I think that's rooted in like the foundation of our relationship. But I think, just you know, addressing not addressing that sounds aggressive, but just talking about things in a way to get a better understanding you know saying things like, well, oh, like you know, are the things you're working on, or like what are you working on? Or like what's your project right now? Or like um, but also, since we started dating, you've always known that I'm gonna ask a fucking question. I'm just always gonna ask a question and sometimes it can't come off as prying, but I'm just trying to understand, like you know, what's going on, or like what are you doing?
Speaker 1:you know, just so that I don't take it personal that you aren't home till 9 PM.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, but like I also know that that's how things are sometimes. But, um, I think just you have to be comfortable just being honest, and but that is also rooted in like being okay by yourself. You know what I mean, because a lot of times guys can't handle that, like guys have a lot of trouble with opening up and like having conversations like that frequently. You know what I mean. It's it's it's because it's hard and it's threatening and it can be like why does she keep like it's hard to not take it as?
Speaker 1:attack, attack yeah right, but I think the more frequent you have those question conversations of just you know me asking a lot of questions about what's going on. I know it might be annoying but, like I think it's, the more it happens, the less threatening it is you know yeah and, I also think, just knowing that we are on the same page you know we're both in the boat, like I'm not trying to find things to get out of the boat right you.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to see what's going on and also to to see if there's other ways that I can help you. You know, like, because there's so many things especially that you're doing right now, like creating, you know like sketch, not schedules, but kind of like the little plans that you've made.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm like, Michael, you know I do this for a living, know I do this for a living. Like I make schedules and I make plans and I set these boundaries and whatever all this shit that you're doing with your you know, organization and all these binders. I'm like I have cabinets full of this type of shit. Like I can create you a schedule and anything that you need in two seconds. I'm like I do this every single day. You know what I mean. So I think also too, like just asking questions just to see if there's a way that I can make it easier for you and help you. And like give you ideas, Cause that's literally like that's how my brain works is the type a type of like boom, boom, boom, you do this and you do that. You have a list for this?
Speaker 2:you know, so I don't know. That's good, I'll keep that in mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and I also think that you just need to come to my classroom and go shopping, because I have cabinets full of binder organizers, everything you can think of. It's like teacher's heaven in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need a lot of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a mini Staples. I have too much stuff.
Speaker 2:So what do we got where? I mean you want to kind of go into what next episode is going to be about a little bit.
Speaker 1:Is there anything else you wanted to share for today? I mean, I feel like we've got pretty, pretty deep on all that, yeah, um. So next episode we're going to be talking about um control and like feeling more the more we're going to shift a little bit into mental health. Um cause, that's a strong passion of mine and I think yours too, especially being able to provide, like, a men's perspective on um different. You know struggles that people have, whether it's quiet battles, sobriety, not sobriety, but you know whatever it may be all the things, um, but my struggle specifically, I want to talk a lot about.
Speaker 1:Um, I struggled really badly last year with an eating disorder like horrible. I was like 35 pounds lighter than I am now really bad and I'm you know, but I do want to talk about it and like dive deep into it, Um, because I feel like I've come a really long way and it's you know. I feel like a lot of times that type of stuff is glamorized on social media and it's not something to glamorize, it's terrible.
Speaker 1:So, um, yeah, I just want to talk about it and, um, I think it'll be really good and share my story a little bit about that, I think it'll be really good and share my story. A little bit about that.
Speaker 2:Hopefully some people girls will be able to relate and know that yeah, and I think that you know, from either girl or guy perspective it's you know, a lot of those things that we feel weak, that that we go through it or we battle, like you know, we, we love our personal battles. We just, you know, battle it behind closed doors because it makes us feel like we're less than who we are, we've lost control of something, and no one ever wants to feel shameful or guilty for admitting that they are struggling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's good Not something to feel bad for.
Speaker 2:No, it happens to the best of us. Yeah, That'll be a good episode, and I mean we are where we. What are we doing today? What?
Speaker 1:do you mean?
Speaker 2:We're doing the rest of the day.
Speaker 1:Are we going shopping or something for a little bit?
Speaker 2:Uh-huh. So we're going to spend the rest of our Bay Day doing a little shopping and be a good day. So I'm glad we got it in. I'm glad we're going to get consistent on our Sundays and you know, we got to get the email stuff fixed so we can get the newsletter and stuff rolling. So we'll get that squared away this week. But yeah, I'm excited. Everybody have a great week. If you need anything from either one of us, obviously you can find me on Instagram At Michael McGovern, our CEO, and you are.
Speaker 1:Leah Harkness 01.
Speaker 2:Alright, and for Michael McGovern and Leah Wolfe, we are out.
