Life During High School

Today we discuss the complexities of life in high school and how to navigate the many difficulties of high school.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 0:40 Navigating High School Life
• 2:43 Preparing for Life After High School
• 7:54 Upsides of Southside
• 11:41 Downsides/Critiques of Southside
• 15:08 Likes/Dislikes of the School System
• 21:30 Harvard Study
• 23:23 Hands-On Learning Style
• 33:43 Choosing a College
• 38:23 Outro

Transcript

Nicholas Owens (00:00.704)
All right. Welcome back everybody to the depth perception podcast. Today we're going to doing an episode called life during high school. And I have a special guest with us today. Anderson Wagstaff. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Great to have you on here and super excited to talk about school. We're going to get into all kinds of different things, high school and a little bit about careers and picking a career while you're in high school and choosing college, things like that. And just kind of 

Nicholas Owens (00:29.026)
what life during high school is like, what are good things about high school, what are bad things about high school, and all the stuff in between. I've got a couple different stories I wanna go into. so, yeah, so we're gonna go and jump right into all that. First, we're gonna start off talking just about life during high school and a couple of questions that I have that I wanted for us to talk about what we think about high school. So my first question, Anderson, is do you think that high school teaches kids effectively? I think it. 

Nicholas Owens (00:57.51)
It kind of does, but it could also do a better job of preparing life skills for the future. Like financial stuff, doing taxes, stuff like that. Some adults aren't even prepared for, so I think that could be better done to prepare for the future, at least. Yeah, that makes sense. you know, that's one thing that I've talked with a lot of people about in high school is like, you know, 

Nicholas Owens (01:27.66)
We learn a lot of different things and a lot of things that we are interested in and lot of things that we're not interested in, but sometimes it kind of feels like we're just learning stuff that doesn't really help us. And it's like, you know, we wanna learn and like learning is a great thing, but at the same time, the things that we're learning is not always maybe things that we should learn or maybe it is, but maybe there's things that we're not learning that we should be learning. And I agree like taxes and. 

Nicholas Owens (01:55.084)
money, how to manage money, how to buy houses, how to buy a car. Like, you know, nobody teaches you those things. And that's what your parents are for in a way. But I think that if, if schools taught us a lot more life skills, then people would probably be a lot more successful, you know, that it would contribute to the success rate and how well people do after high school. Cause a lot of people leave high school and they jump right into college and they're super unprepared because they 

Nicholas Owens (02:22.53)
don't have a full grasp on how to live by themselves because they've never done it and they've never taught how to do it. Okay, so that's good. Yeah. Next question I wanted to get into is, you think that, I'm gonna rephrase this question a little bit, but do you think that success in high school determines success after high school? I would say so in a way. 

Nicholas Owens (02:48.43)
Because how well you do in high school can determine what kind of scholarships you get for college. Your GPA, most colleges look at basically just that. So I think it is important to at least try your best, even if you're not doing well. Because that can determine into what type of college or how good of a college you get into in the future. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I mean, I think it's really important. 

Nicholas Owens (03:15.63)
because if you, especially if you go to college, that you're learning how to study, how to listen and how to learn new things because college only gets harder. In college, especially in college, professors and teachers, they're not as helpful and not in a bad way, but they're trying to get you to be more self-dependent. And so you have to learn how to learn. And so I think if you can do really well in high school, that means a lot. 

Nicholas Owens (03:43.106)
goes a long way for how well you can do in college because you're learning those steps. And if you're able to tackle the problems of high school, then you're most likely going to be ready to tackle the education problems of college. So another question along that topic about being ready for life after high school, but in high school, how do you get ready for life after high school? Whether it's through school, whether it's through working or getting a job. 

Nicholas Owens (04:13.6)
You know, what are the different, what are some different ways that you think kids should do a better job of preparing for life after high school while they're in high school? Yeah, I think, making connections within the community can definitely help doing internships, getting a part-time job, learning the basic work ethic, can definitely help to, strengthen your abilities after high school and 

Nicholas Owens (04:42.68)
towards college and into adult life. Yeah, yeah, 100 % agree. I I think that what you, the things that you do in high school are the things that you're going to know how to do in college. So if you learn how to get a job in high school, you're not gonna have to learn how to get a job in college, because you already know how to get a job. And you may keep that job or you may get a different job, but there's a lot of skills that you learn. 

Nicholas Owens (05:11.79)
that you learned in high school that you want to keep when you go to college. so, yeah, I think I agree that getting a job is really important. Internships are really important. I like what you said too about the community, like getting involved with people. I was talking with my dad about this the day that a lot of people's success and a lot of people's jobs, like their first job that they get out of college is determined by who they know, right? Like they know somebody that works in this company. 

Nicholas Owens (05:39.054)
they know somebody that owns this company and so they go and work for these places. So a lot of things that, a lot of ways that people get jobs or have successes just through people they know. like a big tip that I would say for a lot of people in high school is just meet a lot of people, meet as many people as you can because you just don't know where those relationships are gonna go. And you don't know who those people know. They may know somebody that is gonna go to the college you wanna go to or they may know somebody that is going to. 

Nicholas Owens (06:08.302)
Work at the company that you want to work at so there's a lot of a lot of value and getting to know a lot of people and having a strong community and just being able to Make friends especially in college, you know with college. There's a lot of new you're meeting a lot of new people So you want to learn how to make friends and you want to learn how to communicate to people? So yeah, I think it's really important. What do you think are? Some of the best ways for people to find community in high school because some I know for a lot of people 

Nicholas Owens (06:38.286)
that's really easy, especially if you go, you we go to a Christian school or private school, so it's very small in comparison to public schools. But so for a lot of people, public schools is very easy. But what are some ways for people that may not go to a large school, what are some ways for them to find community, whether it's in school or outside of school? Yeah, I think finding things you have in common with people like a church group, small group. If you like going to the gym, you can find 

Nicholas Owens (07:06.434)
people who also like doing that. Just asking around with your friends if they have any connections. Parents might have connections to different organizations that you can help out at. Just finding people in the community to have the same interests as you. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Okay, let's move on to another question. 

Nicholas Owens (07:33.678)
This is kind going into our sub topic of like things we like and don't like about high school. Now, I know there's probably a long list for especially a lot you out there listening that you don't like about high school, but I kind of want to present the side first of what we like about high school. Cause we talk all the time about stuff that we don't like about high school, but I think it's important for us to realize what high school has given to us, what high school has done for us. mean, we wouldn't be where we are. We wouldn't have the education that we have without high school. 

Nicholas Owens (08:02.484)
So I think it's really important. And so I want to present that upside first. I think it's good to look at the upside, not just the downside. So what are some positive things that you like about high school and maybe not specifically? Well, yeah, at first, specifically Southside. What are some things you like about Southside? Yeah, I feel like the teachers are definitely very involved in the students lives. Most of them are. 

Nicholas Owens (08:31.406)
Very respectful and they're all Christian, I can tell, but they definitely show and bear the image of God through the way they treat their students. And I really like that about them. I like that we have a chapel, we're able to talk about God in schools. And I think it is a privilege to be able to go to Southside because not many other students around the country have that opportunity. Yeah. 

Nicholas Owens (09:00.622)


Nicholas Owens (09:01.162)
I feel like our courses are very advanced compared to other schools. So we get an education that's almost college level, which is very good because it does a really good job at preparing us for the future. we could take AP courses, honors courses, dual enrollment courses, and it's just very helpful for later on in life. I've met a lot of friends at school. 

Nicholas Owens (09:29.978)
it's a very diverse place, multiple different personalities and a lot of the people are very kind. they'll be willing to help you if you ever need help. And I think that is a really good place to be. if you want to look for community. Yeah. Yeah. 100 % agree. Going back to that community topic, school is a great place to find community. I mean, there's a lot of. 

Nicholas Owens (09:59.08)
variety of different people and different friend groups and things like that. Yeah, think that's really good. There's a lot of pluses. I think some of the pluses, I echo a lot of the stuff that you said, the Christian aspect, especially the teachers and getting involved in people's lives, they really do a good job. And a lot of the teachers, almost all of the teachers are so kind and so caring. They really care about you as a person. 

Nicholas Owens (10:27.746)
And we talked to, actually was talking about this in our Bible class today with PC. We were talking about how, know, teachers really make a sacrifice because they don't get paid a whole lot. And they're really sacrificing a lot of things because they could be doing other jobs, but they choose to teach and take that less money because they believe in what they're doing and they want to minister into the lives of the kids. And so that means a lot. like as students, as people, as recipients of the 

Nicholas Owens (10:57.076)
their sacrifice, we should be grateful for that. And I think sometimes we're not as grateful as we should be. But I think that's really important is that we're thankful for that because it's really an opportunity that we get to go there. And it's an opportunity that we get to have the education level that you mentioned. I think some other things that I like about Sasa specifically are that kind of the same thing you talked about with the education level. 

Nicholas Owens (11:26.938)
I love the hard classes. You have an option to take a lot of hard. And some, I mean, you don't have to, you can take easier classes as well, but you have that, you have that variety. And I think another thing that I like is, ooh, I'm trying to think. 

Nicholas Owens (11:45.09)
Yeah, I think that's really it. I I think I love the chapel and just the incorporation that Southside tries to put the biblical incorporation into everything and the opportunities, whether it's, you know, foreign languages or it's physics classes or pre-calculus or algebra, there's so many, so many variety of different things and variety of different people. So yeah, that's really good. Okay, so now let's go to the negative. 

Nicholas Owens (12:14.902)
what, without being too critical, what are some, some things that you don't like or things that you would change about Southside? Yeah. I do feel like some of the groups, friend groups are a little bit too, then they don't talk to each other. They're too split apart. so I feel like the whole school as a body should be in community with one another. 

Nicholas Owens (12:44.782)
And I do feel like some people say they're Christian and don't act like it. So we should definitely try to be more like God in our actions. And some people aren't. So that's one negative for me. And another negative I would say is just... 

Nicholas Owens (13:13.486)
Uh, would say some classes are a little bit too hard sometimes. Um, so I think there should be, uh, other options besides like having to take an AP class if you don't want to. Yeah. Cause sometimes you just get on the track of having to take really hard classes and you can't really stop that like math. Yeah. Well, and salsa. So. 

Nicholas Owens (13:43.412)
one of the things that Southside does is they require like every student to take four math and four science classes and I think four English as well, maybe just English and four Bible classes. their education standards are a lot higher than the standards of public school. so, which is a great thing because like we talked about earlier, prepares you for college, but in a way it kind of... 

Nicholas Owens (14:11.982)
Makes it hard for students who don't want to take those lower classes, but don't necessarily want to take the extremely hard AP classes as well. That does make it a little bit difficult. Um, did you have any more or was that about it? Uh, I think that's about it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's good. That's really good. I think some of my, um, some of my, um, some of my. Negative things for Southside is probably my biggest one is the student body. 

Nicholas Owens (14:41.202)
and kind of what you talked about, like it's just very divided. And I feel like the point of going to Southside is that we're getting a Christian education first, but also to build community, to build Christian community. it's many times difficult to build community because of the way people act or just the way that people look down on each other, you know, because of age or because of popularity or because of even education. 

Nicholas Owens (15:10.414)
like, or not education, but like how smart somebody is over somebody else. and I think it's unfortunate because there's a lot of good that could come out of South side. And I think a lot of it doesn't because the students. Aren't putting in the effort that they could be putting in. They aren't trying to build Christian community. They aren't trying to build each other up or trying to. 

Nicholas Owens (15:36.728)
help each other come alongside each other and live life together. Like, like the Bible, like Jesus calls us to. And our parents pay thousands of dollars every year just for us to be able to go to that school. but sometimes it does feel like we're going to a public school just based on how the student body acts. Yeah, 100 % agree. And that's unfortunate. And the only way that's going to change is the students, but it's just really hard. but yeah, yeah, that's really good. Okay. all right. Enough negative talk. 

Nicholas Owens (16:06.382)


Nicholas Owens (16:07.923)
Let's go, let's talk about real quick, just briefly. What are some things about in general? So not specifically Southside now, but like, are some broad things about the general system of high school that you like or dislike? Yeah. I feel like some schools do a good job at doing block schedule. 

Nicholas Owens (16:31.438)
I've never experienced that, but I know it is a good alternative to the regular, period schedules. so I think that could be beneficial to our school, at least, just not having certain the same classes every day for an entire year and spreading it out each day. It's a little boring. I feel like that would be an improvement we could make, and just. 

Nicholas Owens (17:00.48)
more class opportunities maybe, maybe one that could prepare you more for adult life, doing taxes, stuff like that. Right. Or maybe just finding the interest of the students, what we would like to do. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good. I think one of the 

Nicholas Owens (17:27.15)
biggest things that I wish would change about high school in general is that I know that a lot of classes are important, like English classes are important. history is super important. Like don't get me wrong, I think history is really important. But I feel like there's just some classes that it's like, you don't have to take every single year, or you don't even have to take three years. Like some classes you can get enough information in one year or. 

Nicholas Owens (17:54.878)
one semester class, or if you're doing block schedule or however you're doing it. And so you don't have to take it so many times because I feel like high school is so generalized that it's in college is the opposite. College is very specific. You're taking classes for your major. There's a couple of classes that you have to take that are general classes, but for the most part, you're taking classes that are part of your degree, part of your major. And so I kind of feel like 

Nicholas Owens (18:21.652)
If we're trying to, if the goal of high school is to prepare kids for college, then why didn't we not format high school like college where we're getting kids ready to figure out what they want to do. I think the, one of the biggest problems with high schoolers is that they don't know what they want to do. You know, the common answer whenever I asked somebody, Hey, what do you want to do after high school? I want to go into business. I want to get a business degree. That's so common. 

Nicholas Owens (18:48.918)
And I get it. Like a lot of people are serious about that. Like a lot of people legitimately want to start their business. And that's one thing, but a lot of people, that's just what they say. They go get a business degree because I don't know what else they want to do. And I feel like that's because our education system doesn't foster a sense of, a sense of urgency almost like, Hey, after high school, you've got to kind of know what you want to do. Like a lot of kids just think, you know, I'll go to college and I'll figure it out. I'll get up some degree and then I'll go find a job somewhere. Like I think. 

Nicholas Owens (19:17.996)
Our education system could do a little bit better job of saying, look, you've got to figure it out. So we're going to help you. let's start taking classes towards something you're interested in. See if you like it and we can change it. It's not set in stone like colleges, but at least start working towards something you're interested in instead of just taking a general four years of education that you may not be interested in any of that or parts of it, but not all of it, you know, especially like I think about how much time we spend of our lives in college. Like we spend. 

Nicholas Owens (19:47.97)
About 16 years, I'm sorry, not college and school in general. spend about 16 years, right? And 20, if you were not 20, but a little bit more than 16, if you get a master's degree or a doctorate or whatever, but let's go with 16 years for the average person, 12 years of elementary, middle and high, four years of college. That's 16 years of your life. So we're both you're 16, right? So we're both 16. So that's our whole life that we've. 

Nicholas Owens (20:15.616)
known right now. That's how many years we spend in school. And so it's crazy to me that we can like work to me. It's almost a waste, you know, like I understand that we need to know these things, but at the same time, if like, for example, I want to be a pilot when I get older, so there is not a huge need for me to learn to take four years of English to be a pilot. I speak English. 

Nicholas Owens (20:45.966)
I can read English, I can write English. That's about all I need to know to be a pilot. So why am I spending four years of my life taking English classes when that's not necessary? Why instead of that, I could be taking math classes, more math classes or more science classes that are dedicated to what I want to do. And then that decreases the time that I'm spending in school and gives me more time in my profession. So that's one of my critiques. Yeah. And I know we have Saber Week. 

Nicholas Owens (21:14.104)
where we get to do an internship each year. But I feel like it would be beneficial if we had like a semester of internships. So one year, one semester of academic stuff, and then one semester of interning with something you're interested in, or at least finding what you're interested in during that semester. Yeah, I 100 % agree with that. And, yeah, I think, you know, internships are a great way to get kids involved in the field that they want to be in. And it's a great way to 

Nicholas Owens (21:42.242)
build that community to meet people and to meet people specifically and your career path. So I think, yeah, like the Saber Week is a great opportunity because a lot of schools don't do that. So don't, don't get me wrong. It's a great opportunity, but if we spent more time on it, it would be so valuable. I mean, can you imagine the amount of people that would leave high school pretty much already with a job because they've been interning. they most likely the way they're interning is going to give them a job. 

Nicholas Owens (22:11.374)
And even if they don't, the amount of experience they have already doing that job. now when they go into it, they've been already doing it for four years, you know, or three years or however long. And so like that's, yeah, that's a great idea. Really. I love that idea. All right, let's, let's get on to our next topic here. Kind of running out of time. let's move on to, I, I'm going to tell a little, story that I, 

Nicholas Owens (22:38.7)
We talked about earlier and I I want the listeners to hear this because I think this is a really cool story. So this story was a study. It's a study done at Harvard and it's about, it's kind of about the learning styles of people. so basically the story goes is you had a intro physics class in college at Harvard and they took two groups of students, one group of students listened to lectures for a whole semester. 

Nicholas Owens (23:04.844)
And then the other group of students listened to a few lectures, but for the most part, they just did hands-on activities where they were learning how to solve problems by doing different labs and doing different hands-on problems, working together, not by themselves. They were working collaboratively and even sometimes the teacher would walk around and help them on their problems. did projects and all kinds of things to get them involved in actual physical problems of those physics topics, using the topics, but doing problems. 

Nicholas Owens (23:33.646)
and the other group, all they did was lectures the whole time. Every class was a lecture. And at the end of the semester, they gave both classes an exam. Well, the class or the group that did the hands-on problems and the actual working with each other scored 10 % higher on average than the first group that just listened to lectures. So. 

Nicholas Owens (23:58.38)
Now this isn't anything groundbreaking, right? This is just one physics class and you guys may be thinking, well, okay, like what is that? I mean, it's one class. could just be a coincidence. And yes, it could be a coincidence, but it's a, it's kind of a tell to me that even if this is a coincidence, there's most likely other classes that are like this class. So that means at least half. 

Nicholas Owens (24:26.914)
But probably more than half of the people that are in school, in college and high school either way are hands-on learners. They do much better learning hands-on. And, you know, I actually looked up some statistics and, let's see, it's about... 

Nicholas Owens (24:45.624)
So, let's see. 

Nicholas Owens (24:49.08)
So about 65 % of people, the general population are visual learners and 30 % of the general population is auditory learners. So visual learner means that you don't necessarily have to be hands on doing something, but you have to see problems being worked out. have to see things you can't just listen to. Like you guys are listening to this podcast. You can't just listen to something to learn very well. You're better at visual, at seeing it visually represented. 

Nicholas Owens (25:19.16)
But those visual learners are part of another category called kinesthetic learners. And kinesthetic learners means hands-on basically. it's where it's that ladder, that first group that scored higher on the Harvard study. That would be an example of kinesthetic learners because they learned better when they were doing problems and hands-on activities where they were able to see the physical thing being done. 

Nicholas Owens (25:46.862)
I don't remember, I didn't write the statistic down, but I do remember the, oh actually I did write the statistic down. So it's about 45 % of Gen Z are kinesthetic learners. Now me and Anderson are both at the very tail end of Gen Z. We're still in Gen Z though. but so about 45 % of Gen Z is kinesthetic learners. So to me, that should be shocking to the whole school education system, because how many classes can you remember or are that you're in now? 

Nicholas Owens (26:15.502)
Are you actually doing hands on problems? I can think of one that I'm taking right now and it's chemistry. That's really the only class where we don't sit in a desk and listen or watch somebody just write on the board or speak about notes. And so it's crazy to me that over almost half of generation Z is kinesthetic learners. And yet none of the classes are teaching Gen Z the way that they learn the best. so. 

Nicholas Owens (26:42.646)
You know, you wonder, people wonder why Gen Z has struggled with school. Gen Z has been, there's been a little bit of a drop in like the retention rate and there's been a drop in things that people are like retaining after high school. And so it's kind of crazy that people aren't realizing that that's probably because Generation Z is not being taught the way they should be taught. And so. 

Nicholas Owens (27:08.896)
I think that that's a huge thing that we could change about the way that we teach is to get hands-on learning in every class or as many classes as possible, because it's more than likely that Gen Z and the generations after us will respond much better to that kind of learning. And honestly, it's common sense, right? If you're trying to learn how to build a car engine, is it easier to read a textbook telling you how to do it or to 

Nicholas Owens (27:38.136)
go do it in a workshop where somebody is building an engine and they can show you step by step how to build an engine. I think everyone would agree that building, actually building the engine is a lot easier to learn than just from reading a textbook or watching someone write it on a board. So I think that's just kind of one of the biggest things that I have realized with doing this research is that so many people learn by doing things and not by hearing or seeing things. And that is a... 

Nicholas Owens (28:07.8)
probably a huge portion of why Gen Z has struggled and a lot of people have struggled in school is because they're not being taught the way that they are supposed to be taught. And there's this quote and people don't really know who said it. Some say Albert Einstein, so we're gonna go with that, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But the quote is, education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school. 

Nicholas Owens (28:36.694)
And I think it's just hilarious because we say all the time, like, I took that three years ago. don't remember anything we learned from that class. And it's so true. Like when people get out of high school, they don't like they go into college and a lot of the stuff they're learning, they're relearning. Like if you go to a, like a, a one-on-one class, like anything like algebra one-on-one or any, any one-on-one class, it's a basic intro class. Like it literally means that 

Nicholas Owens (29:05.506)
they are assuming you know nothing about it and they are teaching you from the ground up. So it doesn't make sense why then if we're basically assuming in college that nobody knows anything at the start, why are we even doing high school, right? So I think that shows how little people are retaining from high school because colleges don't even expect you to know anything basically coming out of high school. And so it's just pretty crazy. And I think the retention rate problem is a lot. 

Nicholas Owens (29:34.01)
has a lot to do with how we're learning and how even how our tests and quizzes are right. Like memorization that does no good for anybody because you can't, obviously there are things that you have to remember, but memorizing pure facts does not ever help anyone. All it does is say, well, I know this fact. Okay. But in the real world, when you're solving problems, you have to apply that fact in the 

Nicholas Owens (30:01.666)
The reason application is so hard is because we don't do it enough. We're not taught how to do application enough. And so I think, I think that the retention rate would be a lot higher if we actually showed kids how to do stuff instead of just telling them to remember how to do it. But if they physically do it, cause there's a lot, a lot of psychological research done that if you do things with your hands and you see it done or you, you like all of the things that you have that happen when you're doing something like physically doing the activity, like 

Nicholas Owens (30:31.822)
Let's take back the example of building a car engine. If you're building that engine and you, you know, that when you hear the, when you're turning the screw and you hear it click, you know that, that it's in right. So that's an auditory thing that you were so, you know, that now like you learned that, but it's an auditory thing. So it goes into a different part of your brain. And so like, there's all these things, the, way that the way that the boat looks when you put it in the engine or the way the engine looks when you put it in the car, like there's so many things that you learn by doing it that you can't. 

Nicholas Owens (31:01.016)
get from just hearing it or seeing it be put on a board. so I've done a lot of talking, but do you have any thoughts about all of that? Yeah, I 100 % agree. just watching a teacher ride on a board for five or six hours a day, for five days a week, isn't really helpful and gets very boring. so I definitely think, there could be more hands on learning or at least a combination of the both of them. because. 

Nicholas Owens (31:30.924)
some students don't even learn auditorily. So that's not doing them any good. Just sitting at a desk for six hours a day, watching a teacher talk or lecture about something. we could, as a school, they could definitely do a better job of incorporating more hands-on learning, like math even. 

Nicholas Owens (32:00.718)
just visualizing how certain problems are done. Um, I know that can be hard, um, I know science is the big one because labs are very popular. Um, but yeah, I definitely think, um, some students just don't gain anything from, um, auditorily learning. So that just, it's a waste of time and it doesn't help anything. 

Nicholas Owens (32:30.038)
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like, I know I've sat through lectures where I have literally gone the whole class and I'm sitting there listening, trying to take notes. And at the end of the lecture, I look over to the person beside me and I'm like, I don't understand a single word of that. And they're like, yeah, me either. And, and it's just because we don't do a good job at, hearing things and being able to comprehend that. And that's maybe one thing that as, as 

Nicholas Owens (32:59.47)
a generation, Gen Z that we can work on. Right. But at the same time, feel like education is supposed to be teaching you in a way that you can understand. It's not, I mean, obviously you have to learn new ways to learn and things like that, but I think education should adapt to us. I don't think we should have to adapt to education. Yeah, I agree. Especially at private schools, because we're the one paying for it. Right. public school. Exactly. Yeah. 100%. Um, there's one more thing I wanted to mention this, um, 

Nicholas Owens (33:26.656)
a little bit of research I did, just kind of the same stuff I've been talking about, this lady, her name is Eileen Kennedy Moore, she, she's a PhD and she's a psychologist. And basically she did this study on this exact topic about does hands-on learning work better for kids than lectures or auditory work listening. And she did it more in the context of like parenting versus school. Like does telling your kid. 

Nicholas Owens (33:55.778)
to do something is that better than showing them how to do something. Right. And, and she came up with the, the conclusion that no lectures don't work whenever a kid is lectured to like, and it's easier for us to understand this because we are kids and we've experienced this whenever our parents sit there and lecture us on something, we don't usually comprehend like half of it. And even if we do, we don't want to sit there and be lectured to you. We'd rather than just show us how to do something or say, Hey, look, come here and watch, watch me do this. 

Nicholas Owens (34:24.94)
Like that is much more entertaining and more stimulating to our brains than just hearing words come out that we don't really care about. to be honest. so it's kind of a, a perspective, our, our perspective on lectures versus adults perspective. But, yeah, I think that's really, really good. that's pretty much all I wanted to talk about with that. Let's see what else did we want to get into. 

Nicholas Owens (34:51.47)
Okay, we're running close on time. Let's do one more thing real quick. 

Nicholas Owens (35:08.288)
Okay, the last thing I want to talk about is. 

Nicholas Owens (35:14.474)
When you're thinking about college in high school and you're thinking about, do I want to go to this college? I want to go to that college. What do you think some things, especially from the Christian's perspective, but maybe from both, what do you think are some things that you want to look for in a college? And not only that, but what are some ways that you can narrow down your list of colleges for a lot of people that have 

Nicholas Owens (35:43.07)
So many choices, you know, I, have the luxury that I don't have that many options because of the major that I want, but I know a lot of people don't have that luxury. And so they have a lot of places they want to choose between and, and maybe they don't get accepted into all those, let's, let's just play devil's advocate and say that you get accepted into a bunch of different colleges. What are some ways that you can narrow down that list and what are some things you're looking for as a Christian? Yeah. like I want to go into business. So there's almost any college in the country I could go to for that. I think. 

Nicholas Owens (36:12.302)
location plays a role, whether it's in state or out of state, how far away from home it is. if you, if you had to come back home for any reason, whether it be close or far, I think religion definitely plays a part. So you can have a community, especially if you grew up in a private school, if it's Christian or secular, definitely plays a part in your learning style, the worldview of it. 

Nicholas Owens (36:41.826)
And I also think the size of it matters as well. whether it's a small college like, coastal Carolina or a bigger college like Clemson. I do think the size matters, because you could be in a class with 200, having a lecture from a professor or a small classroom with 13 people in it. So, that plays a difference because the professor can be more one-on-one with you and. 

Nicholas Owens (37:10.424)
try to help you as an individual and not just see you as a body in a chair. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good. think, I think I agree with, I agree with all that. Everything you said, college is really hard because, going into college, picking a college is really hard because, you know, there's a lot of different things you're looking for and there's a lot of different, 

Nicholas Owens (37:35.266)
filters, I guess, for lack of, for lack of better words, that you are filtering colleges through like, okay, do they have this, do they have that? And a lot of those, like you said, are how far away are they? You know, what is the community look like? What is the Christian community look like there? And I think a big thing that people have told me and I'm having to, that I learned was don't judge a college before you go visit it, right? Because a lot of places like, 

Nicholas Owens (38:04.974)
You know, um, I hear a lot or me, I had a couple of colleges. I was like, you know, I don't know. I just, I think it's cool college, but like, just don't think I want to go there. I don't know if it's like a great college or whatever. And I was just kind of in my mind had ruled it out, but then people told me, you're like, well, Hey, at least go visit it. Right. Like what does it hurt to visit? And maybe it'll exceed your expectations and maybe it won't be as bad because a lot of times we have expectations or we have. 

Nicholas Owens (38:31.938)
pre-drawn conclusions about a place that we've never been to just based off of what people have said, but everybody's experience is different. And so when you go visit a college, a better representation of what that college is like. And I'm actually going to visit one next week. I'm going to Liberty to visit Liberty. And so next Thursday and Friday. So I'm excited about that, but you know, it is pretty crazy too, how fast it comes up, man. mean, it's like, 

Nicholas Owens (39:01.622)
You know, I feel like we were just freshmen, walking into our first hour, first freshman class. And then now here we are talking about college and going to live by ourselves. It's pretty crazy. And it never hurts to apply. I know there is a fee, all the worst I can say is no. And at least you applied because that could be the college you get into in the future. Yeah. And, and, you know, you never know what college you're going to get into. So. 

Nicholas Owens (39:29.806)
You may think, oh, they're 100%. I'm going to get into this college. And then you apply and like, oh, I didn't get in. So you want to apply to as many because you want to have options. You don't want to get to the point where you apply to three colleges. And for some reason you didn't get into any of them. And then you're like, I don't have any options. Like I can't go because it's too late to apply, know? So, um, you don't want to be in that scenario. So for sure. Um, 

Nicholas Owens (39:54.604)
Okay. I think that that about wraps it up. that was a really good discussion and pretty much hit all the topics you want to talk about. So thank you guys for listening. I hope you guys really enjoyed it. I, I know we were both really excited to do this and, I hope that you guys will keep listening for future episodes. I'm not sure when the next one will be, but my goal is to keep doing this same topic. I would just want to do it with different people to get different people's perspectives. So, you guys keep listening, stay tuned for the next episode and. 

Nicholas Owens (40:24.568)
Please share this podcast with anybody that, anybody that you think would be interested. And yeah, thank you guys for listening. Thank you for having me.