Make Money Without Burning Out | The Feminine Energy Business Model

🔥 Ever wondered how to generate income without burnout or stress, while staying in your feminine energy? This video features my husband, Justin Keltner, who was instrumental in helping me create Mindful Success Path. I share my journey from a hyper-independent, burnout-inducing work style to a more balanced approach, offering valuable life advice for sustainable business and passive income. 💫

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Have you ever wondered how to make money in a way that doesn't burn you out, doesn't stress you out, and still allows you to be in your feminine energy? Well, then this video today is going to be for you. I am joined by my husband, Justin Keltner, who you all can thank for this YouTube channel even existing, uh, because he's a big part of the story of how I went from being this burned out, hyper-independent, stressed out, making a lot of money, but sacrificing everything that came with it, to now having this business, Mindful Success Path, which is currently at the time of recording this generating hundreds of dollars a day in passive income sales from digital courses. This is very different from how I used to do business before. Many of you have been asking a lot of questions about how you can do this, so Justin is going to be, uh, interviewing me so that we can keep this concise and structured- and I don't go all over the place like I have a tendency to do when I talk about, um, this subject. So thank you so much for being here and agreeing to do this because, um, like I said, you're a big part of this. I would not have been able to do it- Well, happy to be here- without you and happy to, happy to kind of be the cup to your water and give you structure. It's really fun. I love building and creating with you, and then also being the container for all the things that you're creating and, uh, helping you have, like, a lot of the automations and the systems, and that's kind of where I've- Yeah come in. We'll... I know we'll get to that. We'll, we'll get into it. Yeah. We'll get into you being the cup to my water, what that even means. Masculine containment, feminine flow. This is gonna be a really good conversation. But before getting into it, if you're new here, my name is Amanda. On this channel, we talk about how to manifest what you want in life without all the extra stress, chaos, and drama that most people are accustomed to. We teach you how to become the magnetic woman who attracts her desires to her so she doesn't have to chase them. Lately, we've been talking a lot about feminine energy, nervous system regulation, a lot about relationships. It's the hottest topic on this channel is dating and relationships, but another hot topic on this channel is money, and making money from a place where you don't have to participate, um, in hustle culture, and you can honor your energy as a feminine woman. So if that's something that interests you, make sure to subscribe and hit the notification bell so you don't miss a single video or live stream that we have coming out on this channel. And if you're new to this conversation about feminine energy and you wanna dive deeper, we have a free guide for you. It's the Enhance Your Feminine Energy guide, completely free. You can grab it below. You can do it here. We've had hundreds of women- Downloaded From over 50 different countries, I think now. Yeah From, yeah, from over 50 different countries just in the last couple weeks. And, uh, my husband, Justin, has told me I should probably start charging for it. So if you wanna get it for free still, then get it from the link below before, um, I follow his leadership and start charging for it. So with that being said, I guess we should just go, get into it. We should just get into, uh, this conversation so that all the women in the comments and in my emails who are asking me about, like, "How do I make money with more flexibility? How do I do it from a more feminine place?" And be able to travel the world too, like you're doing- Yeah and live in other countries, and not have to be tied down to a specific time zone or a specific job or a specific client. Or be present for a masculine man, and actually be there for your family and your relationships. This is something that women are constantly asking about. So, um, let's get into it. Where do you think we should get started, since you've, you've, you've seen all of this? Yeah. And, and we just actually recorded a video where I was interviewing Amanda for my channel, Entrepreneur Expat. So for those of you that are interested in living abroad, and building a life of freedom in another country, and the visas, and immigration, and all the processes that go along with that, definitely check out Entrepreneur Expat on YouTube. But we just completed a video actually of us on that channel, and one of the things that stood out to me as very interesting was just the stark contrast between the before and the after state. Like, the previous businesses you were running, and the burnout, and all that. Maybe we should start there. Like, perhaps share a little bit about what you were doing before, and kind of how it led to burnout, and how that wasn't aligned with not just your goals, but also it wasn't aligned with your, your feminine nature at all. Yeah. So I got into online business in 2010. One of my goals was to be able to travel all over the world. Ironically, that wouldn't happen for another 15 years. After giving up a business and getting married, that's when that finally happened. But I'd initially had started it because I wanted time freedom, I wanted, uh, freedom financially, obviously, and I wanted location freedom. And I stumbled upon online business at the age of 22, in like 2010. Um, actually, a, a good friend of mine, who was a man, um, had noticed that I was struggling, and he handed me a book called The Art of Non-Conformity, and it was game over from there. Because the author of the book was, uh, traveling to different countries, and he was making online, so was my friend. And I tell women all the time, um, you know, I had a lot of friends who were men, and he was one of them. And even still then, he w- they were constantly giving- To me. I only now notice that in retrospect. Obviously, I had not clocked that- uh, when I was 22 years old, that the masculine just loves to give. Mm-hmm. But there's an example of the masculine loving to give, right? And that was, that w- was kind of how we met too, where I was- Yeah helping. I mean, that'd be an interesting story- We'll get into it to share as well once you- Yeah get to that part because uh, you're reminding me of kind of our, our story a little bit too. Yeah. We'll get into it because that's definitely- how we met, um, as well. But anyway, long story short, I would spend like seven to eight years in personal finance, freelance writer, influencer. Uh, had to m- pivot away from that because I was creating so much content at that time that my wrists were literally hurting and I was, uh, working all the time. Start teaching, uh, people business, and I was coaching this whole time. So, like those seven years that I was in personal finance, I was also coaching women in finance. Mm-hmm. And eventually, that turned into teaching women how to make money. Uh, so I had a tr- a one main training program for that, which was called Persuade to Profit, where I taught women how to create offers, basic marketing, and then I would teach them sales. I was known as the chick you went to when you really wanted to learn sales, and you wanted to learn it from like a non-sleazy p- place, and you wanted to do it well. Like, the actual sales conversation. Yeah. Not what I'm doing now. Uh, so event- You mentioned later to me just about- Yeah that specific product that, that the... even the way you were not just running that business, but even some of the things you're teaching probably would be even out of alignment with who you are today, 'cause things have evolved so much. Yeah. Right? Some of them, yes, some of them, no. So for example, a lot of the communication skills that I was teaching are still absolutely relevant, especially when it comes to the dating content. Because I was teaching people how to be good listeners. I was asking them how to, um, ask good questions. I was teaching them how to actually be interested in another person. I was even teaching them how to have better self-esteem- Mm-hmm so they could make more money. So, all that stuff translates over. What doesn't translate over was how hard I was working, um, to get results- Yeah basically. Uh, but anyway- And having that sort of masculine angle in a sense, right? Because- Yeah it was a lot about mo- more about the pushing and, and hustle and, you know, build a business. But there's still a lot of your own involvement being necessary. Yeah. I mean, if I wasn't there, the business stopped running. So eventually that would come to a head because I was working so hard, and even though I started making a lot of money, at one point I was doing 80,000 in sales in a week. Hmm. S- but I was the machine. I was the marketing and sales system,, so I'd basically been taught by men, uh, how to run a business, and it was like what a lot of the women on this channel would consider to be very masculine, driven, go-getter kinda men. And I would have a very hard lesson in realizing that, ooh, us women can't quite do the same thing in the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Why is that? Like, what's, what's the difference that you've seen? Um, women have superpowers for attraction, for magnetism, I think even for efficiency. Well, and multiplication too. And multiplication, yes. The feminine is the multiplication of everything. Um, I didn't know that. Of course, I had no idea. I'd been raised by women who were in survival mode- Hmm at least three generations back. I mean, it was hyper-independent, survival mode, controlling women. And your family also fled communism, I think, from, from Cuba. My family also fled communism. So there was that whole thing, and the whole immigrant, uh, starting over in, well, in my mom's case, two different countries, in my dad's case, uh, in the United States. Um, so th- there's obviously a lot of scarcity programming that comes with that. There's a lot of fear- Mm-hmm that comes with that. You know, these were generations that didn't quite go to therapy- Yeah um, or anything like that. Similar to your family, they fled communism from the USSR, and, um, same type of survival. Same comrade. Yeah. Yeah. Same kind of survival programming. Um, so I had realized through the help of a mentor at the time who was an expert in neuroscience, number one, the role of our nervous system, number two, all these stories that had been running the show behind the scenes. So the hyper-independence was because I was afraid of being in an intimate relationship because I felt like I couldn't trust men, or I felt like the world was a dangerous place. Then I felt it was in an extra dangerous place because I'm a woman. So I had to protect myself, so I'd built all these walls- and that business was one of the walls, um, that I had built. And from a physical standpoint, I was just running myself into the ground, and it was just unsustainable. Do you see women doing that a lot these days too? Because either they- Constantly it's, I mean, part of it is the feminism programming, part of it is other societal programming. Yeah. Part of it, I think, is that a lot of the people teaching business either are men- Or they're maybe women a little bit more in their masculine? Yes. Even the women who claim to teach business from a feminine energy place I found were super masculine in how they were teaching women to go get money. Not that they're being masculine because they're the teacher, and I'm the leader, and now I have students. I don't mean that. I mean the, the strategies that they're teaching keep women on a constant hamster wheel of output. Can you give some examples as to what that looks like? Constantly posting on social media, not having any systems. Um, just constant output. Output, output, output, output. I think you call it the dancing monkey show- Mm-hmm or something like that. Like a- Yeah, when the monkey stops dancing, the money stops coming in When the monkey stops dancing, the money stops coming in. That was me before, too. I was a consultant, and I got paid- Yeah really well per hour. I was making at some... at one point several hundred dollars an hour to consult with businesses or more. Yeah. But if I didn't do the work, then the money stopped coming in. Yeah. So I think a lot of women are stuck there. A lot of women build businesses from a place of fear because they don't believe that anybody will take care of them. Um, we should probably address that, 'cause there's a lot of that- Mm in the comments, where a lot of women are like, "Oh, but if I'm a provider, he has control over all the money." I'm like, my husband pays the bills. I'm still making my own money, and it's not like we don't sit together every single week and talk about what's going on with the money. The providership just gives options. But I think we'll get there. Yeah. I think we'll get there eventually. Um, let's set the stage first. So, um, I think that's a way of doing it. I think a lot of it is just teaching women how to do business the way men do business. Men can do the same damn thing every day for the rest of their lives and not even feel it. We're a different person. You guys go in these- Yeah, we're like the- cycles for sure, yeah yeah, we're a different person from week to week. Um- It's great, 'cause I, I never get bored. You know? So I get different, different versions. You know, so e- Every, every couple of- Even at the most basic- Yeah biological level, we're completely different, and the way that most work is set up is built on a man's hormonal cycle, not on a woman's hormonal cycle. Especially jobs. Especially the modern- Yeah. No, corporate jobs yeah, it's awful all that stuff. Yeah. Um, and I think a lot of people are in survival mode, and that's men and women. I just think the way they get out of survival mode shifts and changes a little bit. But- How did you get out of survival mode? I had to lose everything first. Yeah. Um, and then I just started to rebuild my life from a different place, and when I started rebuilding my life from a different place, from a place of more feminine energy... And they might be asking, "Well, how did you come to that conclusion?" Well, my oracle within came back online. I was so burnt out. I was so hyper-independent. I was so in survival mode. I was so hypervigilant that I couldn't even hear my own intuition anymore. I couldn't even sit still for five minutes. Like, that's how bad I was Uh, you didn't meet me during that time. You did- Yeah you met me when I, when I was already over the worst of it, is when you met me. Um, so I just started building my life from a different place. My oracle came back online, the intuition, and I started following that, and it said, "You have to start living your life from a place of more feminine energy," something which I'd heard before. I'd been studying polarity, relationships. I'm a personal development junkie. Mm. So I'd been start- studying all of that on the side of the actual business I was running for many years, but it never, like, quite landed. It was very intellectualized. It wasn't until I went through that nervous system healing and that nervous system work and the somatic work that everything kinda started to click, and I started making r- like, radical changes and radical decisions. I've talked about it on this channel. I talked, uh, I stopped entertaining relationship dynamics that no longer served me. Uh- even if it was, like, family dynamics, even if I physically could not leave the situation, I would kinda, like, energetically check out of the situation. That was a lot different than what you'd done before. Very different. I'd always get... I was always the chaser. If, if something was gonna happen, it's because I made it happen. I'd, I think, um, I started learning first to trust the universe and trust God and trust spirit, that it had my back, and then I started being able to actually trust people, because I had a big thing about not being able to trust people, which is why I was in survival mode and why I had built the cage- You certainly- that I'd built seem to have learned to trust me. Yeah. How did that happen? Because you definitely didn't trust men- Um- for a while. I mean, or anybody, but, but there's- Yeah certainly that. Well, by the time that you and I met, like I said, I had already studied a lot of these things on the side for many, many years. It just didn't land. And there was something that happened when I did the nervous system healing where suddenly it landed in my body. Like, it wasn't an intellectual thing anymore. It was like a, "Yeah, duh," kind of a thing. So in your case, and I talk about this in the Hustle to Harmony master class with my four-step manifestation process, I started visualizing what it was that I actually desired. So one of the first things I did was instead of, you know, being like, "Oh, I'm building this business," or, "I'm chasing this career," or, "I'm doing this because I'm trying to run away from something," which is essentially what I was doing. In that case, poverty and not having control and trying to protect myself from men, because all men are dangerous, and that whole thing. Instead, I started asking myself, "Okay, well, what do you actually desire? What do you want?" And I got clear on that. I started visualizing it every day, and then you showed up four months later. Um, I think what also I had done... So I'd replayed it in my mind over and over and over again, so by the time it came, I wasn't even shocked. It's like my body and my brain were trained for it. Which part? Um, a reliable man, a man who was pursuing me, um, a man who had all the qualities- that I wanted in a man. And then the other thing that I would add to it is I became open to all the men that were around me. I call it my divine masculine energy experiment- Mm-hmm where I was allowing the men all around me to help me. So if my dad wanted to help me solve a problem, I let him. If my brother wanted to help me solve a problem, I let him. If a colleague wanted to take me out to dinner, this actually happened, I had a, a colleague take me out to a nice French restaurant and say, "Order whatever you want on the menu. Price doesn't matter." And I would just allow myself to r- receive all of those things. Or if a man in business wanted to mentor me, right? 'Cause that's the other thing is men just wanna help. Mm-hmm. And I, I allowed myself to be helped by men and receive, because I was so controlling that I really wouldn't let anybody give to me. And that was an experiment that I had running for about four months by the time, um, I met you. And I kept it running after I met you, because it's not like we, we just got together immediately, uh, upon meeting or anything like that. But, and the other thing was when I met you I knew what to look for in a man. I knew how to vet a man. Um, I'd studied it. I, and again, it finally landed. I knew what to look for. And the first thing that I noticed about you was how reliable you were, and the fact that you always did what you said you were going to do. And I was accustomed to being romantically involved with men who were a hell of a lot more flaky and passive. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I, I just find that if you don't have honor in your word, like, what, what do you really have? I mean, that was just kind of how I was raised. And especially, you know, by my father it was all about, um, doing what you say you're gonna do, and honoring your word, and making sure that, you know, you don't, you don't tell people you're gonna do things and then not, and then- Your word is your bond deliver. Yeah. Integrity. 100%. Yeah. I immediately noticed that you had integrity. That was one of the things I noticed. And I noticed that you were always coming toward me. Hmm. Um, now the reason I wasn't able to s- I didn't sabotage it was because I had done all that nervous system regulation work. I had worked through a lot of those limiting beliefs and a lot of those stories. And, um, I didn't get anxiously attached to you or anything because I was still doing that, that experiment, and I was consciously slowing down my life. I wasn't trying to speed up anything. What do you think the similarities are between how you were able to, I wouldn't even say attract me into your life, because it wasn't, like, necessarily an active thing that you did, but how you were able to make space for a partner and marriage? Like, what do you think the similarities are between that and allowing all this passive income to come in through business? Because I know that they're not that different really. Yeah. Men and money aren't that different. Um, number one, and I've talked about this on the channel, and I realized this with relationships first and money second, I realized I didn't have to earn love. Hm. I didn't have to over-function for love. And then I just started applying it to money. How does one do that? Like, what's, what's the process? Well, I had to realize, and a lot of women do, that I was in an over-functioning state. And when we're over-functioning, we're doing way too much. Usually what it means, it's either survival or we're coming from a place of trying to prove ourselves. I was doing that in both business and relationships. In business, even though I was making a lot of money, it came at a huge toll and a huge cost, uh, basically to the rest of my life and my health. And then in relationships, well, the toll was I kept attracting passive men. Hm. So you started to see the results out there in the world and how they weren't matching what you wanted. Yep. And then that's kind of what caused the change in you. Because I know with your business you were functioning really high. You even had your first couple six-figure months, and then you burnt out. And you burnt out... That was really the only thing that allowed you to realize that you weren't on the right track, because you thought for yourself that success was having a lot of money in the bank, was bringing in a lot of money, having- That I would feel safer you'd feel safer, yeah. And what- And I did not. No. My anxiety- The exact opposite happened went through the roof. The exact opposite happened. My anxiety went through the roof. And you said, "Oh, no." Something's wrong. Yeah, something's off because this isn't- Yeah what, what I signed up for. Something's wrong. Yeah. So what does this business kind of entail for you right now? Because you, you started this as a hobby. You started this because, you know, you took a, about a three-year hiatus after we met, and I was providing and I was paying for things. And, you know, obviously you, you inspired me for Entrepreneur Expat and you gave me a lot of support there. But for the most part, like for that period of time, you weren't really working. And you started this just because I think you were bored, and you also- I mean, I... My understanding is you were just- Bored is a good word bored, but also you just felt like there was kind of a message inside you that had to get out. So yes, I did end up taking about a three-year hiatus. I know it didn't look like it, but I did. Um, and that's thanks to you and you taking on the provider role, because I had said to you pretty early on, like, "I feel good when men provide. That's what I want." And this was very opposite to how I used to function, which was the hyper-independent, I'm always gonna make my own money, I'm never gonna rely on a man because they're gonna screw you over. Mm. Or it puts me in a dangerous position. Mm-hmm. So I think for me, that was lesson number one. Like, I couldn't even make the money that I'm making now if it wasn't me learning that it was safe for someone to provide for me first. I'm not saying for the audience that it can't happen the other way around, I'm just saying that was my process. Yeah. That I'm good, I'm taken care of. I don't have to grind, I don't have to earn it. Earn it. I don't have to twist myself into a pretzel. I don't have to over-function and over-give. And it's interesting, because when I took that three-year hiatus, I was winding down my last business, which you helped me do. You basically took over it, 'cause I'm like, "I can't do this anymore." Like, I went to you, I was like, "I just can't do it anymore." And I think back then I didn't even h- actually, I wanna ask you this question, because back then, I don't th- even think I had the language to articulate why I couldn't do it anymore. I don't think I did. Mm-hmm. So why did your... Why were you like, "Okay, don't worry about it, I got everything"? Because I wanted to take care of you. I just love you and I said, "You know what? You're going through some stuff, and you're trying to discover yourself, and you're trying to figure out what you really wanna do." Obviously, there's still money here, and even though we did end up winding it down and starting something much better, uh, you know, me building Entrepreneur Expat and all that actually partly came as a result of me taking on the responsibility of your business and, uh, having that continue to make money for several months until we kind of pivoted. Um, but I just wanted to take care of you. I just wanted to provide for you, and I, I knew that you needed space because I, I knew how much you had been struggling with, like, that overachieving, and I just wanted to, to help provide that space and that safety and that, like, emotional stability for you to just kind of explore yourself and, uh, figure out what you wanted to do when you when you grow up. I guess that- Well- It just felt like my duty, I guess. Thank you. Thank you. I just realized we forgot an important part of the story that comes even before the provision of how, um, I knew I could trust you. Hmm. So this was before we were even dating. We met through work. We were collaborating on projects together. Uh, you noticed that I was very freakishly obsessed with systems, and I became obsessed with systems which are like technology, automations, all that kind of stuff. I, I asked you why. You asked me why, um, and I said, "Because I'm getting ready to get married, and I need these systems working so that I have space so I'm not working all the time so I can get married." And to be clear, you didn't have anyone yet- No that you were, that you were going to marry either. No. For a second I was like, "Oh, you're getting married," like... And then, then I realized what you were saying, which is like you're opening up space to be able to do that and not have to work all the time and not have to keep pushing. Yeah, so my original plan was just systematize the business I already had. But then when you and I got together, and then I, I, I, I realized I can't keep doing the business I was doing before. You took on the provider role. You started Entrepreneur Expat. You grew that. And especially after we got married, um, that's when I really like stopped, like altogether, like the old business or anything having to do with it. It was, it was done. And when I heard you say that, when I heard you say, you know, "I'm, I'm trying to make space to get married," what was, what was my reaction? You leaned back and smiled- and had a look on your face like, "Challenge accepted." Yeah. That's what it looked like from my end. What was g- what was going through your head? Well, I, I guess... And we weren't even close to dating at that time. No. We were just kind of colleagues, but I was already kinda getting that energy from you where I'm like, "Oh, you know, I, I like this girl." It was just, that was just the vibe I got. And yeah, I kinda said, "Well, bet." To me it was like, oh, this woman is actually serious, so I guess if this is gonna go anywhere, because I wasn't sure where it was going at that point in time, if this is going to go anywhere, well, I'd better come at it from a, from a serious place. And I guess I did, and here we are. Married. Yeah. Businesses, fur children. Got the ring. G- got the rings, yeah. Um, so that was an important part of the story, right? And I, after that, I noticed that you basically started going above and beyond to try and help me figure that out, and then we basically fell in love. And then, yeah, I mean, the next three years was basically like me moving to Mexico to another country, which you did the entire process for me. Thank you very much. Mm-hmm. 'Cause you basically said to me, um, you know- Which if people are interested in that, they should follow Entrepreneur Expat. Yeah, if you're interested in that, for sure, go to Entrepreneur Expat because you and your leadership and your foresight said- Hey, I want you, like, whatever happens between us, I want you to have an, an extra residency. Mm-hmm. I want you to have a second residency, somewhere to go. Don't rely on just one country, uh, 'cause the world's gonna get messy. And I followed that, and you were right Yeah, I'm usually right. Not 100% of the time. Most of the time, yeah. I've learned that when you- It's high double digits, I think it's high double digits, for sure. And when you start saying stuff like that, I've learned to just pay attention. Yeah. So that's num- that was part of what happened. So obviously I was adjusting, right? I was adjusting to being in a- No, I'm Justin. I was- You're, you're an Amanda. Yeah. I was- I was adjusting to being in a new country. I was adjusting to getting married. I was adjusting to, you know, the career that I had no longer being a viable option for me. I mean, my whole life did a 180. So I took some time, and during that time I did start getting inklings, because we were taking meditation classes here in Mexico. We were getting trained in holistic healing. You bought me a neuroscience certification, and- some other things, and I was just, like, studying and doing things. And I would start getting these inklings, like, "There's something here. I have to talk to women about this. I have to talk to women about this." Mm-hmm. But I didn't... It, it took me a while to figure out what it was, and I think it's 'cause, again, my life was doing the, the 180. Yeah. So I had to... And also, I had neglected so many parts of my life, like- Mm relationships, my body. Like, I'd neglected so much that I had to kinda rebalance my life before I could, you know, jump into trying to make money again. But I mean, I knew eventually I'd come back around to it. Once an entrepreneur, always an entrepreneur That's true. It's like a gene or something. I don't know So I knew eventually I'd come back around to it. Um, you know, weird things started happening.. So I would sit in meditation. I had a lot more time to meditate now, and just do... I just kind of floated, I guess- Mm like a fairy for a while. You are a fairy, that's for sure. I just kind of floated like a fairy for a while because you were being the provider, which, you know, when I said, "Hey, I'm stepping back," and you beca- and you became a full provider, um, like your confidence just went through the roof. Mm. And I think that's part of what I need women to understand, is like I knew that if I said that, like men sometimes complain, right? And they will freak out because now suddenly there's more responsibility on them, but they rise to the occasion. Mm-hmm. And you definitely did. You absolutely did rise to the occasion, and it gave me that space. And when I had that space, I would be in meditation and I'm like, "All right, universe, what do you, what do you want me to do?" Yeah, it's crazy how sometimes just the ability to sit still for a day- Yeah and not have to go and drive and commute to work and go to a job, and even just- Go to a bunch of networking meetings even if you... Yeah, go to a bunch of networking meetings. Yeah. I mean, I was one of probably 200 networking calls that you'd done that month. I mean, you were hustling so hard. I did 400 meetings in four months. Yeah. Yeah. And just the a- just the ability though to have like that spaciousness to just sit still and see what the universe had in store for you, and just like kind of listen to your heart, listen to your internal dialogue. Yeah. Tap into the universe. I know it sounds a little woo-woo. I guess this channel is kind of a little woo-woo. This channel's woo-woo. They're down with it- Um- on this channel. Yeah but I think women, I mean everybody, but women especially underestimate just what that space gives them when they get to- And that surrender. Yeah. Yeah, and what the surrender gives them. So I would get answers like, "You know, chill out. Don't do anything now. Don't rush into anything. Maybe your husband Justin might need you a little bit on Entrepreneur Expat, like your expertise here and there. He'll pick your brain. He'll ask you for help." Mm-hmm. "Uh, but don't rush into anything." And it was like that for like two or three months where I was like, "Don't do anything." And when you have a past of being hyper-independent and over-functioning, when you get the message to not do anything, it's pretty tough. But that's what I did. I didn't do anything. I just let my mind wander. And then weird things started happening. Like, I would go to the nail salon, and they'd start asking me for all this advice about dating and marriage, and I'm like, "Uh, okay." And I would give some pretty damn good advice. And then... Or, like, we'd be out with friends, and they'd start asking, and then I would start kind of counseling, I guess, in that way. And then you basically said, you know, "You should probably really take a YouTube channel about this stuff seriously." At which point I resisted. Um, but then- A lot Yeah You resisted a lot. I resisted a lot. Yeah. Um, eventually I did take your leadership, and I did start it. And then April of 2025, there was a video taking off because of a spiritual, I guess, influencer who got himself into some hot water, and you were like, "You gotta go do a video about this now." Yeah. Oh, he ended up actually quoting your video in- Allegedly under the viral thing, yeah I don't know. I have no- Allegedly. I don't know. No, I think I saw it too somewhere. I don't know. I'm sure. Allegedly he did, and I'm like, "Oh, okay. I gotta do-" Really, really took off, yeah I mean, it really took off. Went, went viral I think. Yeah. And then, uh, I just kinda kept going, and I kept following my intuition. And because you were in the providership role- um, I didn't feel pressure. Now, at the same time, that doesn't mean I wasn't intentional because I think a big difference between what I'm doing now versus especially in the very beginning 15 years ago when I had no idea what I was doing, was that I was very intentional with every decision that I was making. So even though I wasn't going super hard or trying to turn it into a six-figure business right away or any of that stuff, I was being very methodical and intentional with, um, what I was creating. And I would get, again, crazy downloads that if you would've asked me seven years ago, I never would've done this, um, or even advised anybody to do what I'm about to say. I still don't think I would advise anybody who's just getting started to do what I'm about to say. Um, but I would get download... Like, I would go to you, and I was like, "I had a download in meditation." You'd be like, "Okay, what?" And I'm like, "I'm gonna create, like, a library of digital courses, and we're gonna have women from multiple different countries all over the world." "And I'm just gonna wake up to money." Yeah. Like, I'm not gonna have to grind and hustle like I did before. And you were like, "Are you sure?" Like, even you were like, "Why don't you do private coaching? Why don't you do this?" And women were asking me for it in the comments. And paying you for it. And paying me for it. And I was like- You, you had, like, four to five figures coming in just being thrown at you for coaching too. Yeah, yeah. And then eventually... Like, not eventually, very quickly, right, my intuition came in and said, "Stop doing this. Here's what I want you to do, um, instead." And I was like, "Okay. All right. That's what we're doing." And then now we're getting hundreds of dollars, sometimes over $1,000 a day, um, in sales. Like, I wake up to money from women from at least 45 different countries, just like I said, just like what was showing, um, in my, my intuition. And I'm not doing it from a place of hustle. I'm not doing it from grind. I'm not- trying to do 50 different things like I was before to try and get ahead. Um, it's just from a very different place and a very different energy. And it... I would say that the first thing that happened, and I guess this is quite feminine, is just surrendering to what the universe said- Hmm it wanted me to do, instead of just being like, "I gotta go make money. I gotta go survive. I gotta go be, like, six figures tomorrow," which is how a lot of people teach business. Why doesn't that work? 'Cause you're doing it from a place of survival, so you actually end up making it harder is what I've noticed. And the carrot's always moving. Do you think that's what a lot of these influencers... I mean, I won't name names, but you probably have an idea of some of the ones I'm thinking about, you know, who it's just like do 1,000 calls and 1,000 DMs, and do this every day, and do this every day, and do this every day. Like, how does that differ from what you're talking about? I wanna be clear, right? I don't think there's any one right way to do this. When I was doing all of that, it was extremely valuable. Um, I think on the interview that we just did for your channel, you asked me, um- you know, "What advice would you give to people?" And I said something along the lines of, like, mastering your craft or something like that. That was a part of this process. Yeah. You know? So I don't regret any of that. Um, I was doing 100 calls a day. I was doing 100 DMs a day. I have thousands upon thousands upon thousands- of coaching hours under my belt from the last 15 years. Um, and all of it was... I realize now, this is the joke that you and I have, that we were both going to business school for 15 years Yeah before getting to the place where we are now. And w- at least we got paid for it, and we didn't- At least we got paid to learn we didn't spend six figures on an MBA. Yeah, we did not spend- That would've been worth a lot less than what we actually learned. I spent a hell of a lot more than six figures on training, but it wasn't an MBA. Yeah. Yeah, it was, like, actual learning from people who'd actually done it. So I think there's some value, um, to some of that conversation because people just don't have skillsets. And I think there's an important part of this conversation. Like, someone asked me the other day on the comments, like, "How do you know if a woman's in wounded feminine when it comes to money, and she's, um, because she's un-" And I said, "Well, she doesn't know how to make money. She's unable- Mm-hmm to make money. It doesn't matter how hard she works, there's no money being made." And then she said that, something along the lines of like, "Well, what's the difference between that woman and the other woman?" And I said, "Honestly, it's just that the o-" Which other woman? the woman who is able to make money, even if it's from a masculine place. And I was responding in the comments, and I said, "Well, honestly, they both have a crap mindset, and they both have low self-esteem. So the only difference that I could say is that the second woman who's gone more into her masculine energy, she's in the awakening warrior stage, she has highly marketable skills- Hmm that make money. That's the only difference." So you do have to put some effort into it. Yeah. It's, the idea is not, it's not, you know, completely effortless. It's just that you need leverage, and you gotta kinda find that interaction between the masculine and the feminine energy, like that- Yeah sort of balance. Yeah. And then that's where you helped a lot. Um, and that's what- How so? Well, I would go to you... Well, first of all, you encouraged me to even do this to begin with, right? So I tell a lot of the ladies, "Don't thank me, thank Justin." Mm. 'Cause if it wasn't for him, this wouldn't even exist. 'Cause I was talking his ear off or talking people's ear off at the nail salon or with our friends, or like even my busi- even like our house sitter a couple years ago was having... And then I would end up like coaching her through it or whatever. And, um, so you, you were persistent You were persistent and encouraged me until finally I was like, "Okay, I'm ready. I'm gonna try and do this." So I think that was one of it is like through your leadership and just, um, wanting me to grow, I think is really important. I think when you find partnership, both people need to want the best for each other. Yeah. And you really helped me do that. You really helped me, um, up my game, I guess, so to speak, in that department, and to be the best person I could be. But you didn't do it from a place of that a lot of men do it from, which is like, "You need to go get a job. You need to go do this and bring money. You need to pay half the bills." You never did any of that. Never. Never, never, never. I'm, I'm curious, because I, I think this is probably a question that your audience is gonna ask a lot, which is what's kinda the difference between maybe the way that I encouraged you and what you see a lot of these other women telling you that their men are doing or have done in the past? Like- The men are not stepping up being providers, so they're putting a lot of pressure on her, and they're saying, "You have to go get a job. You have to go make money. You have to pay half the bills." But what's the nuance there? Because it, it... I, I think that somebody could see one of those two things and not necessarily know how to even differentiate one from the other. Between what you did and what they're doing? Yeah, because it, to me it's a lot of subtlety and it's a lot of nuance, because the words might not look that different in the sense of, okay, you know, "Go explore your creative passions. Go, go look at- He's putting her in a place of... The 50/50 guy is putting her in a state of survival. You never put me in a state of survival. But how does one know how to actually differentiate between that? Because I think that's a really important distinction. Ooh, that's a good question. You mean like energetically, like internally? Or- Yeah, like how do they, how do they differentiate it in terms of like where, where is this man coming from when he says what he's saying? How about you tell me as a man? 'Cause I'm not a man. I'm not the expert on, in this, but I can give, you know, I can certainly give my opinion. Um- What do you think, my love? What do you think it is? I can answer it from the woman's perspective and be like, "Well, this is why you're attracting that kind of a guy," or a woman being like, "Well, I don't trust men, so I have to make my own money, so I'd rather be in a 50/50 situation so I have some level of control," only to end up completely losing polarity- Right in the relationship. Um, so I can answer from that perspective, but I cannot answer from a man's perspective like you can. I would say that more than anything it's just about feeling into where it's coming from. But you gotta have stillness first, you gotta probably meditate, you gotta be, like, self-aware and be just grounded in yourself. The man or the woman- The woman to know the difference? Okay. Yeah. Well, the man, I mean, we're not really speaking too much to men here. That's a whole, that's a vastly different conversation. Okay. Um, but the woman, I, I think if she takes time to actually find stillness, no matter what's going on around her, and if she takes time to ground herself, she can, she can kinda just feel into where it's coming from. Is this coming out of scarcity and he is saying, "You know, you need to go 50/50. I need you to step up. I need you to help provide." Well, then maybe there's something off there, and that relationship probably isn't gonna last because there's no polarity. Yeah. Regardless of whether the woman, you know, can or wants to bring in m- more money. Because- But that wasn't this at all. It w- Yeah this was more like, "You've got something inside you. I know you're really excited about it. You've gotta kinda get it out there into the world and sort of birth it, so to speak. And that's what I encourage you to do," knowing that it may or may not ever make any money, but let, like, that wasn't the point. We're not dependent on that business working or not working. Yeah. You know, we're still good either way. Um, it's all kinda going into, you know, savings and investments and occasionally fun things, and, you know, stuff you buy on Amazon, and the, the pets, right? But I'm already kinda taking care of the foundation. Yeah. Um, and you know, I'm helping you grow this business as well because I enjoy it. It's like another fun project for me. 'Cause you also can't sit still. I also can't sit still. That's, that's the reason that sometimes I work with consulting clients and- Yeah we're getting equity partnerships in other businesses, because I just love having the diversity and, and helping people in different ways, and learning and kinda cross-pollinating things from different industries. Yeah. You know? It's fun. Um, but yeah, I, I mean, from the woman's perspective, she has to feel into, you know, obviously based on the context of the relationship and how it's been up until then. But I feel like a lot of what you tell people, and this obviously is for the better, but they might not know it at the time- When they apply it, if they're in a relationship or th- in a situationship or in a place where they're not aligned with the- Not a situationship. Right We, we don't do situationships here. But exactly, but that's my point- is if they're already, if they're, like, currently in something like that, uh, this is... A lot of what you teach is stuff that'll probably push that man away, which might- Or force him to step up or force him. It depends. Yeah. Yeah. But a lot of the time, you know, they have to be okay with the fact that, you know, maybe- He may go away. Yeah. And that- Which it just makes room for the better one. Exactly. Yeah. That's, that's a difficult one for women to sometimes wrap their heads around, and I understand. I get it. Mm. I've had that fear before because even though I knew that you could be the provider and you were already doing it, I still had that fear. So imagine me- What was your fear? Same thing, right? And the thing is, like, I had all evidence as to, or to the contrary. But same thing. How? It was my own internal anxiety. Yeah, but of what? Like, what, what were you afraid would happen? Relying too much on a man, he's gonna turn on you. Just all these old fears. But if, if you asked me to step up or if, if, if you were... Because, you know, there was a time- That for some reason you wouldn't want to or something. Yeah. Like, I knew you were capable 'cause I'd al- you- 'Cause I, I wasn't always like this either. I mean, I think I've- No I've evolved together with you. Yeah. You know, we've cr- kind of created this polarity by each of us aligning to the side that we were, you know, supposed to be. I think. Yeah. I absolutely knew you were capable. It wasn't about the capability. It was about whether or not you would want to continue- Yeah doing that, and it, it was, uh, like the first... especially the first couple months we were married, 'cause that's when I was like... Like, that's when the old business had totally wrapped up. Uh, by the... We basically were, like, wrapping it up, like, legally and all that kind of stuff, and then got married, like, the next day. That's like- Yeah it all just kind of aligned that way, and those first two months, I, I had extreme anxiety because... not because I didn't trust you. It had nothing to do with you. It was all me and my own internal anxieties about this stuff and the stories that I'd been told my whole life coming up for me to deal with and so on and so forth. And then when I would sit in meditation and be like, "What do I do?" And it said, "Just sit. Just do nothing. Just sit." And you had to get past the- I had to get- uneasy feelings- I had to get past the uneasy feelings about. And the reason why I say that is 'cause I do get emails from women who are in relationships with very good men who wanna provide, and it makes them very uneasy. They feel a lot of anxiety- Mm-hmm about it. So I've been there, too. Yeah. What would you say... 'Cause it, the topic of this, you know, is of course it's manifesting abundance, and it's creating passive income. That's a big thing that your audience asks you about, and it's cr- not just passive income, but it's creating income and creating a business in a way that's aligned with the feminine. Right. What would you say to a woman that, like, maybe doesn't believe that they actually could do it or doesn't believe that they could wake up to $200 or $300 every morning on average- without having to really exert themselves at all. Well- Like, what's, what's going on there? Well, belief is number one. I wanna make sure we get to systems- Yeah 'cause that's the other area where you helped a lot. That's where you gave a lot of masculine containment- Sure was around the systems. Um, but to answer your question, um, belief is where everything starts. I too used to believe that it was hard, that it could never work for me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You've seen me. How much time do I spend every day in meditation, journaling, just rewiring my beliefs? Half the time. Half the time, at least. I see you. Yeah. Half the day, at least. Yeah. Yeah. So for me, it was really realizing like, wait, that's the core of everything, right? Mm-hmm. And how many times have you seen me almost give up on Mindful Success? "I don't wanna do this anymore. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." And then boom, right? Or it just, just flood gates of money just like open every single freaking time I've wanted to quit. And you're like, "See what happens every time you wanna quit?" Like... Um, but yeah, I would say belief is everything. Um, I think other things that were really big for me, it wasn't just the belief that money could be easier. It wasn't just that, because obviously that's a part of it, and obviously having skills is a part of that, and business foundations is a part of that. We're not just... I'm not just sitting here manifesting and then like things just magically happen. Mm-hmm. Like, there's been an order of operations. There's been a sequence. How do you call it? A sequence of events or something- Yeah uh, to use your terminology. Um, however, right, belief is a part of that. I do spend a lot of time on that, and not just belief about money, but belief about myself, that I no longer have to go around proving. Because a lot of people who go around proving, whether they're in the wounded maiden energy or the awakening warrior energy, those two archetypes are both very insecure women. Hmm. Very insecure women, right? So I had to become a different woman from the inside out, uh, where I had internal safety, where I had internal abundance, where I learned how to deal with my triggers. I learned how to deal with my doubts. I learned how to deal with my anxieties from a healthy place. And then from there, I was able to start turning my beliefs around. Yeah. So belief is number one. Belief is number one, yeah. And then what about the systems? I mean, would you say those are the top two, the belief and then having the systems to actually support you so you don't crash? Yes. Right. So I think this is just business in general. Yeah. Um, because I think there's a part of this for a woman listening that she could literally hang up her shingle tomorrow, call herself a coach, and make money. Like, it's literally that easy. Would you agree? 'Cause you've been in entrepreneurship 15 years. I think if the mind... If your mindset's in the right place, you can. If your mindset's in- If your mindset's messed up, then there's no chance in hell that you're going to. Yeah. Um, but theoretically, it's literally as easy as find a problem, create the solution to the problem, sell it the next day. Yeah. Like theor- Like, it's that e- Like, not even theoretically, it's literally that easy Especially with the age of the internet. Um, I think for me, what I had to learn how to do, and I learned this a lot from you, is previously I was just, like, the constant creative, constant output. Uh, maybe there... I wasn't as methodical or as intentional in my previous businesses. I was just going, going, going, going, going. And there's a part of that that was valuable because I got to experiment a lot and get a lot of data that now informs some of the decisions that I make now. So there's a part of it that was valuable. But what I learned from you, because you're just, like, a very structured systems containment kind of guy, uh, you're the cup to my water. I get the crazy creative ideas. I know how to, like, tap into what's going on with people. I know how to create a bunch of stuff, and then you know how to create the systems that contain it. I almost don't even have the words for it- Mm-hmm 'cause I'm not a systems person. Can you help? Well, I think that the lesson that I have learned that's probably been the, the most profound that I've tried to share a lot with you is that if you're going to build something at all, why don't you just build it once and actually create it in a way that it doesn't matter if one person buys the offer or a million people buy the offer, your systems are gonna handle most of the work behind the scenes. So you have the freedom to just focus on the marketing, focus on the, the sales, but really you're selling within your marketing. You're not really doing any one-on-one sales, uh, with this particular business. Oh, my God. My calendar used to be full of, like, six or seven sales calls a day. Yeah. And it's like, a lot of the time it's unnecessary, especially with something, uh, that, that targets a broader market, like some of what you're doing here. Yeah. So the systems are what... I mean, from a black and white perspective, like, on the ground, you know, what actually is happening, the systems are what allows, you know, somebody to opt in for a guide and an email to be delivered and a text message to be delivered. And we're also working on AI and other tools that will even interact with people and give them answers and direct them to different products based on what their needs are. So that's part of systems as well. But really simply, it's just automating the things that you would manually do. Imagine if you got a sale and you had to ca- You know, s- somebody wanted to buy something. There was no order form. They... You had to call them after they left you a number, a phone number, and an email. You had to call them when you were available and then get their credit card over the phone and then, you know, run it, write down the numbers and then call New York. I know this is a little bit of a, you know, I, I making it a little hy- hyperbole, but y- you did have to do the, all that manually and then physically send them the thing or- Mm-hmm manually email it to them. Uh- It's not easy the systems handle all of it- So I- au- in an automated way. What I'm hearing- That's what we built right, in a way that the ladies will understand is that it hasn't been made easy- Mm-hmm for the person wanting to buy to be able to buy. Exactly. Other thing I'm hearing is that it hasn't been made easy for the purpose, for the person running the business to be able to deliver. Exactly. So it's getting the marketing qualified lead to actually be a sales qualified lead, right? Like, getting, getting them to have all the information that they need in order to make a purchasing decision, and then also delivering the thing to them, and then being able to upsell, and then being able to cross-sell or down-sell. Uh, and then of course, maintaining the relationship with the customer through things like automated email marketing. You hit one button and an email sends to 500 or 600 people. Yeah, he built all of this for me- Yeah by the way. That's, that's my expertise. That's his expertise. He built all of this for me. I basically went to you and I said, "This is my desire," and you, you were like building- I'm like a genie. Yeah, you're, you're- You ru- you rubbed my belly and then- Or is that Buddha? I don't know. Um, and you're like- I was your little marketing genie you're like building membership sites and building custom plugins and- Oh, custom servers. We, we own our own servers now. Of course. That's all- Yes part of the systems. We also have, we also have clusters so that if anything happens geographically where our servers are at in the US, we can instantly switch it over to another country- See, that's very- another IP masculine of you, just thinking of- Yeah all the problems that could happen and just having the plan in place so that we're mitigating, um- So that you don't have to think about any of it so I don't have to think about any of it. Thank you. So- And our sites in the last six months haven't been down for really more than- Yeah 10 minutes at a time, if that- Yeah in an emergency. I would also say that coming from a place of feminine energy, the other thing that comes to mind is allowing support and allowing people to help you. Uh, I mean, yes, you are my husband, and you are a, you're a provider. But even before we were dating, and even before any of that, I was still allowing you to help me. Mm-hmm. And I think that's a big part of it, because a lot of the women in the, in the, um, comments will say sim- things along the lines of, like, "I feel uncomfortable when people give to me," or, "I feel uncomfortable when people wanna help me solve problems. I feel weak," or they've been told that that makes them a weak person- Mm-hmm for example, or it makes them vulnerable- Yeah to dangerous situations. And, um, I, I got over that. I was, I was asking for help from everybody. I was receiving- Including me including you. Yeah. I was receiving help from everybody. Even before we were dating, even before we were married, I was already practicing receiving support. 'Cause a lot of women, especially the hyper-independent ones, don't even allow themselves to receive support, um, or help. I would say the other important part is I allowed myself to slow down, and I was starting to slow down even before we had met. Hmm. I know it doesn't sound like it when you say, you know, "She did like 400 meetings in four months," which is true. That was you slowing down, actually. It was me slowing down. Yeah, yeah. That was actually me slowing down, right? Because I wasn't trying to do 50 things at the same time. I was doing one thing. Mm-hmm. And I was trying to do it well. That was actually me slowing down in comparison to what I was doing before. Um, people s- you, sometimes you would ask me, like, "How did you make money before?" I was like, "I don't remember." I was doing so much, I literally don't remember. So I think that's important, the slowing down. Um, I think another thing that's important, and I think this is super important for women, and I think this is where on the internet things get weird, uh, when it comes to business coaching and, and things like that, is for women flexibility really matters, and it's really important. We are not men. We don't function like men. Um, we have other responsibilities as well. You mean men and women aren't the same? I... Shocker. 'Cause that's- I know. Shocker that's a very controversial take- Shocker today. Um- Yeah You know, and I think it's really important for women to have flexibility. When I was doing business coaching and financial coaching for as long as I was, there were a lot of women who opted into their own businesses so that they would have more flexibility, uh, to be around their kids. So I think that's really important. I think it's also really important for a woman, if she is self-sufficient, not to get with a man who is not also self-sufficient, because- 'Cause he's just gonna leech onto her he's just gonna leech. I mean, I remember when, when I was winding down my last business, I had a mastermind. I filled it up. You started coming in basically to help because I was so burned out. Mm-hmm. Um, and you were like, "I'm, I'm going in. I'm helping." And some of the stories we would hear from some of these women, that's also why I couldn't keep doing the previous business. Yeah, I remember. Some of, some of the stories you and I would get off the call, we'd be like, "What the hell is happening?" Like, you're making all the money, but your husband's playing video games all day, and you're going to go pick up the kids, which is why you can't do X, Y, and Z, but he's sitting around doing nothing. Like, we were both, like, shocked. Yeah. And a lot of those women would end up... And we didn't know, I didn't know that was happening- Mm obviously, while I was teaching these things. Those stories just started coming up while I was winding down the last business. And probably because the universe was saying, "Hey, maybe there's something here. Maybe there's-" Maybe there's something here. Yeah. So I think that's important, like if you are a self-sufficient woman, still get with a provider man. Mm-hmm. Um, being with a provider man gives you options the same way that you gave me options. And also, I've never once on this channel said women should not or cannot make their own money. But that's where people... They- people jump to conclusions. Yeah, I mean, it's the pendulum swinging the other way. Yeah. Or when you say one thing, it, it... People tend to collapse ideas to make them more simple. Yeah. So they do like the least common denominator and say, "Oh, this sounds like this theory or this other thing, so then we must put you into this bucket." But just like we're, we're not, you know, left or right, red or blue, right? We're, we're, we, we don't buy into that system. Yeah. It's the same kinda thing, you know? You can... We're not spouting ideologies here, you know, in either of our businesses or, or our channels. We're talking about the truth and what's true to us. Yeah. So let's say that a woman is... You know, maybe she's at some type of job that she doesn't enjoy, or perhaps she's, you know, very high-achieving and she's been running a business, but just kinda pushing and pushing and pushing, and she's not getting anywhere. She wants to create something. Maybe she's got some skillsets. Maybe she doesn't have a lot of skills yet. But like what, what are some of the steps that she can take to actually build something from the right place? Well, there's two different scenarios I see. Yeah. Well, maybe either of those. Okay. So the first scenario I see is the woman who's in the wounded maiden a- energy when it comes to making money. There's one that's coming to mind now- Yeah uh, who's in my DMs, and that woman overcomplicates making money. That woman doesn't feel like she... Well, neither of them feel like they're good enough to make money, so I'm gonna leave that alone. But that- Yeah woman overcomplicates money. Sometimes that woman does have proper skillsets, but because she believes money-making has to be hard, then she'll find ways to make it hard. Let me give you an example. I've had women in my DMs, uh, in my business stuff- 'cause we'll, we'll still sometimes do some business consulting, and I've had women in my DMs say, "Hey, I've been marketing this. I wasn't able to sell anything. I'm, I'm on every social media channel. I'm on this." I'm like, "Why don't you just do YouTube?" Hm. "Why don't you just do one thing?" "No, but I like to be everywhere." No, girl- They don't believe that it can be that easy They don't believe it could be that easy. I'm like, "No, no, no. I have to be everywhere. I don't like relying on this one thing." I'm like, "Girl, I used to say the exact same thing, and I ran myself into the ground, and then I started focusing on one thing, and it all exploded." Yeah. So I think that's one version that I see. Well, 'cause there's different... What they're, what they're trying to optimize for, which comes, I think, from a, like, a fear-based mentality, is they're trying to optimize for what if Facebook, what if Instagram, what if- Yeah, yeah YouTube tomorrow shuts me down? Well, that's what your email list is for. Yeah, which, which, I mean, I'm an advocate for not putting all of your eggs in one basket, but that's only when you've reached critical mass to begin with. Yep. And it's... When you talk about risk profiles, because that's exactly what I do all day, is I, I look at the risk, and I try to optimize for, for reducing the most likely risk first so that we keep all of our systems and websites and servers and data and everything that we're doing safe. All the structure. All the structure. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I love. I mean, I love to geek out on that stuff. But the thing that I see there is that they're optimizing for the wrong thing at the- at that moment. The wrong time Because instead of- Yeah saying, "You know what? I need to get from zero to one first and at least build something" that then, you know, they could shut down or they could cancel or they could take away, they're trying to solve for that thing being taken away as if it's already so big that it matters. It, uh, doesn't matter. Build the thing first- Yeah and then you can optimize for the risk. You know what's a fear that that profile of a woman has, that she's unable to- Hm make money when it comes to men I've noticed is the common pattern? What's that? That if she makes more money, she won't attract a man. So they sabotage themselves. So they sabotage themselves. And they spread too thin- And... Yep and they optimize for the wrong risk profile, where maybe in reality they're actually just trying to keep themselves stuck. Yep. Yeah. Yep, yep. The second person... Well, maybe there's more, maybe there's more than one profile. So the second profile that I see, um... Actually, no, that's the same woman, 'cause I remember we were coaching someone together a couple years ago, and I basically called them out and I said- What do you actually want? 'Cause it's not for this business to make money, obviously, because you're just overcomplicating the hell out of this. Hmm. And then she admitted, "No, I want my husband." And I'm like, "That's why you're overcomplicating your business, because what you actually want is to prepare yourself for marriage and to put yourself out there. But because that terrifies you so much, you've created a bunch of problems in your business to keep yourself busy." Yeah. So that's a profile that I've seen. I think that's probably kinda the same person. Is that the wounded maiden you said? Maiden. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably the same person. What is the wounded maiden, exactly? Wounded maiden is the one who's in wounded feminine energy. Um- Hmm so that's the one that I said usually she's lacking skill set, but... And that's definitely one version of the wounded feminine. The other version of the wounded feminine I'm seeing is she just keeps herself small to appease others. Yeah. So that's- What's the other kind of profile? The other one is the awakening warrior. So that's where I got to, um- With your first business second business. Well, I guess with both of them. Yeah. Now that I think about it, with both of them. Hmm. That's where I got to. So with that one, um, you're working and working and working, and you're making all this money, but it's, like, literally consumed you. Yeah. It's consumed you. You have no time for anything else. Or you're doing it from a very hyper-independent place, or you're doing it from a place of either fear of poverty or fear of men because you can't trust men, so you have to take care of you because you don't trust anybody else- Hmm to take care of you. And that's where that hyper-independent, very hard, I-know-it-all type of person, uh, comes from, and then they usually end up attracting passive men or men who don't wanna claim them or men they have to mother. So what do either of those categories of women need to do in order to actually build something from the right place? I suppose it's a different, different piece of advice for each. I think it's the same piece of advice fundamentally- Hmm which is you no longer have to prove yourself for love or money. I think f- at, at the core fundamental, it's the same. As a man, I'm saying, "Well, what do they do? What, what is the doing?" Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. But maybe- What is the doing? But maybe that's not What is the doing? Maybe that's not the answer. Yeah. Yeah. Because I, I, I only had this realization recently while I was working on some trainings for this channel. They have the same core fundamental issues- Hmm which are I don't think I'm good enough, I have to earn love, I have to earn money, I have to over-function. They're just doing it in different ways. Are you shocked that you're just like... No, I'm just admiring you. Oh, thanks. You're just... You're cool. I like you. Okay. I like you, too. Okay. Yeah. So I would say at the core- It's that. Now, what I would say is the one in wounded maiden energy, it's like I said, sometimes they're just missing skills- Mm that they just don't have, which one would consider masculine skills, I guess. So, you know, develop the skills, s- skill stack. And just make sure not to go overboard and over-identify with the masculine, which is what most women end up doing, and then they become the awakening warrior. And with the awakening warrior, it's the exact opposite. It's slow the F down. Hmm. So it sounds like fundamentally it's all just really about balance a- at the core. It's about balancing the masculine and feminine. It's about balancing having a purpose and structure, whether that's you providing that structure or a man providing that structure when that time comes. But at the same time, being in touch with your feminine- Yeah and not trying to replicate things from a masculine perspective just because that's what you see around you. Yeah. Even with things like structure, for example, like you and I are very structured people, but our relationship to structure is totally different. For sure. You do it from a more disciplined- masculine, cross your T's, dot your I's, I'm gonna think of every redundancy issue that could possibly happen here kind of a place. And I do it from a place of what do I feel like doing today? But I still have structure within that. Yeah. Does that make sense? Of course. Would you agree with that? 100%. Or, like, how am I feeling today, and then create the structure based on that, but I'm still very structured. But women have to acknowledge their feelings more and their energy instead of trying to just push through stuff. Just trying to do it like a man. Anything else that you would leave people with in terms of here's kind of the framework, here are the fundamentals of setting yourself up so that you can actually have a business that- Makes money- That ma- whether you're working or not? Yeah, that makes money in a way that isn't gonna burn you out. Well, I think this applies to both men and women- Mm-hmm which is don't trade time for money. I think now with the age of the internet, it's easier than ever. And the age of AI. And the age of AI. Oh my God. You barely have to do anything. You barely have to do anything at this point. Like, honestly, like the stuff that we do now, 15 years ago was so much more work. Mm-hmm. So much more work than it is now with the tools and the software and the AI and all that stuff that we have available. So don't trade time for money. Build actual assets, like digital assets. Learn- Because the assets can work for you. You don't have to keep working for the money. Right. You can build the assets, and then the assets work, whether that's the systems or the products. We probably made money while we're sitting here. Well, we were making... We made at least 30 or $40 just as we were filming the last video. The last one, yeah. Just boom, here it comes. It just came in. Like it just boop- There's probably a couple more of those boop, boop. Yeah. Like, it just comes in, right? Um, so I think that's really important. I think for w- well, I think for everybody it's about learning how to be, um, intentional. What's your perspective as a man? 'Cause I was gonna ask you this question, actually. A lot of the hustle culture stuff that's out there is, um, promoted by men. Yeah. There's a lot of women who promote it too, though, okay? Even some of the feminine energy ones, they promote it too. But a lot of the hustle culture stuff is promoted by men. But it's interesting how when it comes to building a real business with systems and processes- Mm-hmm I've also learned that from men, and it has absolutely nothing to do with hustling. So how do you reconcile that? Or like, what do you think is going on there, as a man? I think that a certain, to a certain extent from a m- man's perspective you do need to hustle a little bit in the sense that there is sometimes a lot more of a grind. But men, I think- More challenge? More of a grind, more of a challenge. Yeah, because men need a challenge. Yeah. I also think that men, you know, if you wanna get really woo-woo just from a spiritual perspective, we're more like the hunters. We're the ones who'd like go out and do shit and make things happen, versus a woman will, with her energy, attract things to her. Right. I think it's just a diff- I mean, real- again, we're going off on a little bit of a spiritual limb here. Right. But like, it's a different thing energetically. So I think that to an extent some of the hustle culture stuff might work for men at least a little bit better than it does for women. Definitely doesn't work for women. But, but to an extent. Even for men, I think that a lot of the men that are promoting that are those kinda wounded warriors. I don't know if that's the right term for it. Uh-huh. But they're the men that just also really feel like they need to prove something. I mean, I've been around a lot of millionaires and deca-millionaires and centi-millionaires I mean, growing up in the Bay Area where I did, and seeing people raise hundreds of millions for their startup and then have an exit and have a bunch of money, but still not necessarily have happiness or fulfillment. And a lot of the time, you know, they were involved in that kind of Silicon Valley hustle culture. Mm-hmm. Right? It's not always about working harder than the next person. Sometimes even for men it's about tapping into your internal power, your internal wisdom, your own, your own greatness, and then working smarter instead of harder. That's, that's what I had to say I am also thinking now as you're speaking that there's a difference between a man who hustles and go out and hunts, and a man who builds. Mm. And the masculine builds. Yeah, I think- The feminine inspi- I think the true masculine builds yeah. Agreed. The feminine inspires, the masculine builds is what I'm starting to realize Yeah, and I... It depends how you define hustle too, because it's a nuance. Like, I'll have... I don't need to work 12 hours a day, but I'll have days where sometimes I am working 12, 13, 14 hours because I'm, you know, programming, I'm building something, I'm, I'm optimizing or creating systems. I'm learning about the next AI tool that we can use to get more leverage in our businesses, and it inspires me. I like it. I would rather not be doing absolutely anything else in that moment. Yeah. You get- I mean, maybe I need some hobbies, sure. But my hobby this week has been, you know, researching, uh, tools and climbing our, our, uh, our roof at the office and our antenna- Mm pole up, like 50 feet in the air to install a link between the two our two locations. Like, that was my exercise and my fun. Yeah. Um, so it's not like I don't enjoy working. Now, it becomes a problem when you're doing it to prove yourself, and I think the same thing applies for women. Yeah. So how does a man know, and I guess it's good for women to know this too, how does a man know the difference between I'm- I'm going after things because I need a challenge, which is true. Men do psychologically need challenges. It's how they build confidence- Mm-hmm and it's why, ladies, you need to learn how to be a challenge instead of being so easily available if you want to build attraction. Yeah. Um, but how does a man know between, you know, I'm doing hustle culture or hustling, not hustle culture, because I need a challenge and I need a target and that excites me and it feels good and my testosterone is pumping, versus I'm doing this to prove myself and instead of just constantly going, 'cause I've seen you to have this conversation with men- Mm I need to start building, and I need to start building toward a future instead of constantly going? I think the difference is getting out of survival mode. As well for men? Yes, and it, and it's a little bit different for men, but I think it's getting out of survival mode and shifting to, what do I really wanna create? What do I wanna manifest? It's just manifesting in a different way. Yeah. Men do manifest more by doing, and I think that's why relationships are so important, period. Because j- just like you've been my inspiration and my muse so much of the time, you know, women give men not only something to provide for and to pour their energy and, and attention and, and, uh, everything else into, but they also inspire them to greatness. Yeah. So when you are in a, in a strong relationship with a lot of polarity, the woman is there inspiring the man to go out and do and build and, and grow, and he's the one, like, taking those actions and creating and hunting, if you will. Mm-hmm. Like, building and hunting and all that. So I think that- Physically building it well, yeah. Yeah. And I think for one, when you have a, a good woman in your life, and you know, like I, I feel this way about our relationship, I want to give to you. I want to make more money so that I can provide for you. I wanna build you, you know, a nice, big house here, uh, on the mountain in Mexico with my own hands, right? It's true. He does. He tells me all the time. And, and, and build, build you a- Yeah you know, massive mansion and have staff and my, like, you know, we're, we're getting there. Um, to, to go from, you know, having a nice condo with a lake view to now having our own private estate, like, right? But that inspires me to greatness because I wanna provide for you. I wanna see you happy. I wanna, I want us to have our own, you know, little separate bathrooms and everything, and have, like, more space and have room to entertain people more, and have our own, like, health, uh, you know, gym kinda studio thing in the house, and like, just build. And yeah, that, that's really inspiring. But I think it's shifting the focus from, you know, being in survival mode, can I make enough to get by, to what do I really wanna create in life? What do I really wanna have? What do I really wanna give to my partner as well? Same for women. It's getting out of survival mode and asking themselves, "What do I actually desire?" What do I desire is a huge question for women, um, to get them out of survival mode. And if you're watching this right now, I've got two resources for you to help you. So if you're listening to this and you're like, "I gotta get out of the survival mode. I gotta start learning how to slow down," then what I have for you is the Magnetic Woman Transformation Training, which you can find below. That'll help you go from constant hustle survival mode to becoming the magnetic empress that you are meant to be, and it goes through a specific 13-step process to help you do that. And the second place, for those of you who've been asking about money and business and how do I do this, and I'm interested in starting my own business, then I have created the Feminine CEO Activation. It's a collection of trainings, um, that covers money mindset and the energy of money. It also covers, um, things like YouTube. I love YouTube because it's leverage. Leverage became my favorite word when I started living from feminine energy, uh, in business. It's like do it once, works forever, so you're not constantly on the grind. It talks about how to put your first offer together, how to get your first high-paying client online. You co-taught those. Yeah. Uh, or well, you taught them and then I co-taught, uh, with you in those. And then in addition to that, we have the Passive Income Mastery Program. That also comes, um, in that bundle. So you can grab that below. It's the Feminine CEO Activation, and that's specifically for those of you who've been asking the business and money questions. We created that, um, for you, and you can find the links to that in the first comment and also in the description. But I think if I had to end it for women when it comes to feminine energy is, uh, it's exactly what you just said for the men, right? Get out of survival mode. Yeah. Figure out what it is that you wanna manifest, and realize that men and women manifest a little bit differently. Yeah. It's a little bit different how we do it. Yeah, and if you're still- Yeah stuck in survival mode, realize that you creating, let's say, a list of things that you desire and you, you kinda daydreaming and meditating on what you really want in your life, it's not that that's gonna make you lose everything and not be able to cover your expenses or to, to take care of the bills. It's exactly the opposite. The reason that you're stuck in only having enough money, let's say, to just pay your bills and barely get by is because you're focusing on that, and whatever you focus on expands. True. So if you're constantly focused on, "I just want just enough, I want just enough, I want just enough," which by the way, just enough is never enough because then, you know, you rack up your credit card bill, God forbid, because of, uh, uh, an unexpected expense, and now you're paying credit card interest. And now there's $300 or $400 a month in interest just going out. Now, you know, you had to take out this loan or that loan or, or, you know, let's say you get fired from your job. Like, what are you gonna do? Just enough is never enough. Yeah. You have to focus on, you know, 10X, like one of our mentors says a lot. Like, you have to 10X what you're doing. You have to think much, much bigger. Instead of saying, "You know what? I need $60,000 a year to survive," why can't you make $600,000? Or, you know, F it, like make it a million dollars. Yeah. If you think with the mindset of somebody who can run a million-dollar business and you make that your goal, obviously you're gonna have at least your 60K come in. Yeah. But if you're just focused on the 60K, and that's, you know, whatever, like at the edge of your comfort zone, the likelihood of you even being able to meet that goal is pretty low. Yeah. 'Cause you're always gonna have just enough, and then you're one little mishap in life, one pickle or predicament, as we call them, away from, you know, being in total financial ruin. And that's most of the US right now. Like, they're, they're one little wrong move away from just everything completely going to crap, and that's not a great place to be. And it's definitely not a good place to build a business from, whether you're a man or a woman. Yeah. Yeah. And if those numbers just freaked you out, then you need the Money Mindset training and the Feminine CEO Activation. So make sure to enroll and grab that below. And I'm, I'm gonna end it by saying, um, a lot of the women feel like they have to choose between making money and a man. I know I used to feel that way. Um, I had to learn to integrate, uh, those parts of myself. So if you're single, what I have to say to you is don't allow yourself to get into a space where you've basically built a cage for yourself and the rest of your life is, um... Declining is not the word. What is the word I'm looking for? Being neglected. Mm-hmm. Right? Like, don't make your sole focus your career where you neglect everything else. Make space for you, and make space to cultivate other parts of your life so you actually increase your chances of meeting a man. And then for those of you who are married, right? Um, allow your husband to take on more of a leadership role and more of a provision role. Uh, you may have to make some uncomfortable decisions where he has to either step up or step away- Yeah and that's a part of the process. But that's a part of you, uh, reclaiming your power and getting out of survival mode, um, because what I don't want to happen to the single women is they end up in situations like some of the married women are in- Which is I'm about to divorce this dude, right? And the polarity's gone, and all that kind of stuff. And what I don't want to happen to the married women is thinking that because the polarity is gone now that the relationship is just screwed forever when what you may just have to do... Or that you're stuck there, when what you may just have to do is just kind of flip the polarity and work on you- Yeah and your side of the street. And that can either save your relationship or save you depending on the, the situation. And both are okay. And both are okay. Both are good outcomes. Both are okay. Both are good outcomes. Yeah. Um, and for b- for everybody, it's learning how to... I think it's learning that, this was huge for me, was learning that provision, even though you are a provider husband, right? Provision doesn't necessarily just come from humans. Provision comes from the divine. Mm-hmm. And realizing that that's your first provider. And those of you who are single, I really need you to understand that, that provision comes from your provider, um, your divine provider. And that's the first place it starts, and then it starts to trickle down through people. I think for me, that was one of the biggest shifts I have made, um, just in life in general where like, yes, you are a provider as a husband, and that's great. And I was intentional about that when I was dating. And you knew pretty much upfront that that's what the deal was. Yeah. All those of you who are asking, "When do I talk to him about it?" Soon. Yesterday. Yesterday. For most of you, yesterday, 'cause you've let it gone on too long. Uh, but also realizing that the real provision, like the real ease, the real flow, the real provision comes from the divine. Yeah. It's not necessarily from humans. And I think that applies whether you've got provision coming from a paycheck, a man, or clients. Where- 100%. That it's from the divine. It's not from humans. Yeah. That's the key. So best resources, best places for people to start? Oh my goodness. Best resources. Like I said, uh, well, the free Enhance Your Feminine Energy Guide if you haven't gotten it yet because, um, Justin over here is telling me I should charge for it. So that might... It might not be free much longer, so make sure to grab that. Um, and then from there, uh, the Magnetic Woman Transformation for those of you who wanna work on nervous system regulation. You're in the process of rebuilding your life, uh, whether it's your business, your romantic life. A lot of the stuff that I was talking about in the beginning, right? Where it was like, "I'm, I have to heal myself and rebuild myself." Those of you who are there, Magnetic Woman Transformation. And those of you who've been asking about business and money specifically, uh, with both the mindset and the mechanics of it, then the Feminine CEO Activation. And you'll find the links to everything below. Awesome. This, this was fun. Thanks for sharing your, your wisdom and insights, and I, I learned a lot too. Well, thanks for sharing yours. Yeah. Are you g- are the ladies gonna be seeing more of you? Because you saw things start to kind of explode over here, and you were like, "Do you need help?" Maybe. Maybe? Yeah, we'll see. Maybe you'll start coaching men on how to step up. I'm sure the women would love that. Sure. I'm sure the women would be like, "Can someone please tell these men what's up?" Like, please. Yeah. Maybe? That's, that's on the cards. It's on the cards? Yeah. All right. S- We'll, we'll see, we'll see what happens. 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