Foxtrot Oscar Podcast
A football (Leicester City) podcast with a mental health section
Foxtrot Oscar Podcast
We relegate !!!
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No surprise to any of us fans, League one here we come.
Well, rather than get too downcast, Foxtrot and Oscar in this episode host our very own awards ceremony for our most deserving of those who got us to where we are !!
We moan of course, its always an enjoyable way to vent we suppose !!
Enjoy the podcast.... thanks for listening
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Good afternoon. Well actually it's still morning? Yeah, it's still morning. Good morning. Well, not good afternoon. Good whatever. Good good. We're always in mourning aren't we? Well, we've definitely been in mourning for the last few days, haven't we? That's for sure. We've been in mourning, haven't we? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00But yes, lastly, we've finally been put out of our misery of a sorts. Yeah, the inevitable has finally uh obviously the relegation to League Two next the end of next season.
SPEAKER_02Well yes, yeah, there is that. Which is coming if Top doesn't sell up or get some new investment, it's inevitably coming.
SPEAKER_00It is, isn't it? I mean, um I think we've got to start really with first and foremost, the um when he came out on that um evening when we relegation was confirmed, he met the some of the play uh fans even. And I mean, okay, I've got to be a bit a tiny bit of respect for him actually coming out to but I wasn't impressed with anything. It wasn't falling mate at all. It was just very cliche and almost not uh committing to the cause when he said the words about oh I'll I'll find the money or I'll I'll I'll try and it was just lame. It was embarrassing, cringeworthy, which he's been But like the players all season then. Yeah, yeah. It was a representation of the whole season and be honest, a representation of the past five years under his stewardship, really.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Um yeah, th there's not a lot of positives. Um however, we will obviously try and have a a little bit of a a chuckle as we go along today's episode, won't we?
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, and we we're having an alternative take. That's the moons over with. I think we need we know we know what's what, don't we?
SPEAKER_02So um yes, I think butt. Indeed, we do. Uh we had a good uh friend of the podcast um uh email us, text us, whatever, or send a message on Bud Bus Sprat, I can't remember how he did it now, but good uh good friend of the show, um Mr. Bancroft. Oh yes from down in the sort of cornwall region of the area who's just moved down from Messership fairly recently. But anyway, yes, um Yes, hello. Hello to you, Mr. Bancroft. Um yeah, we're we so we're gonna have an alternative awards ceremony um and some of the winners. Um they're not here to to collect their um their uh King the bollocks. I've collected my dogs shit up for about three weeks now, and I was gonna present it to them in a but we're just gonna post it to them instead. Uh anyway, all joking aside, uh we'll have that later. Um we'll have obviously we'll review the last couple of games since we last had a pod, which is the um Portsmouth away game. Oh my what a doozy that was. And then obviously the horse is home game. Um incredible, incredible scenes on in both. Yes. Um we'll have the usual shout-outs. Yes. We'll have a little bit of humorous um bits and bobs here and there, and then you know, a bit of a mental health segment at the end. Yes. Which, to be honest, well, the whole thing, the whole thing of this programme this week will be mental health related. Our mental health being the main one.
SPEAKER_00Yes, I think everybody connected to the club, apart from well, apart from the players and managers and owners who couldn't give a damn.
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, I suppose as long as they're they're pocketing ninety grand a week, it doesn't really matter, does it, for them? They just you know they'll go and sip the coffee and uh in some cafe somewhere and celebrate Leicester being relegated again for the second consecutive year and then probably swan off to new pastures.
SPEAKER_00Are we gonna give a shout out to Harry Winks? Oh no, no, sorry, he gives he gives a shout-out, doesn't he? Yes.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes. Um Well done, Harry. You've covered yourself in glory there. Uh I've heard people actually sticking up for him on that, you know. Well if you've got a little Yeah, if you actually listen to the clip, there's no I can't hear any discernible abuse at him. I could just hear him shouting abuse at somebody else.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it's just I'm sorry, um for me there's just no excuse for it at all. I mean people might you want to get one or two people say, Oh, he's showing a bit of passion. No, you don't I'm sorry, if I did my job and showed passion by swearing at people, I would have lost my job.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well he he's he's shown passion for the last two s oh no, that's right, he hasn't.
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SPEAKER_02Um right, uh yeah. So anyway moving on, moving on. Not our favourite player, but they're again pretty much the whole squad's not our favourite player. But we'll go through we'll go through that later as well. We'll have a we'll have a uh a bit of a yes and no to who do you get rid of in the squad? That's gonna be interesting. That could be very easy, really.
SPEAKER_00Let's go to squad 25-26 season.
SPEAKER_02Um the lot.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. There's that sorted next.
SPEAKER_02So without further ado, I think we should go straight into the most marvellous game of football. Portsmouth won Leicester City Nil. Uh what a doozy that was. Saturday the 18th of April um 2026. That's great that I've got the right year for a change. Um the team was Begovich, Ricky P, Lascelles, Vestegard, Luke Thomas, Abdul Fataru, Hamza, Winx, BDCR, Mavadidi, and postman Pat Daker. Glad to see we're going with the youth. Um subs were Stelarczyk not used, Suter not used, Luko for Ricky, Skip not used, JJ for Hamza, Mukasa for Mav, Monga not used, Aribo not used, and Ayu obviously had to make an appearance for BDCR. Um 14 shots three on target to there, 11 2 on target, 53% possession, 23rd in the league, it left us 11 wins, 14 draws, 18 defeats, minus 11 goal difference and 41 points. Uh obviously would have been 47 without the six point deduction. Um anything about that game that stands out to you?
SPEAKER_00Absolutely nothing at all, to be honest, in terms of the performance. It was the same drab um possession-based nonsense. It doesn't really achieve much, very little in creation. Um if we did create, it wasn't put away because we're not clinical enough. Um so it was just I I watched the game in its entirety. Um I've got some very close uh friends, well I call them family really, and uh one of them is a Portsmouth fan, which is interesting, and one is um obviously a Leicester fan, husband and wife, so that was an interesting uh afternoon to spend with them. But we endured it. One enjoyed it, we endured it. And my feelings out are just very ambivalent. It was like, well, I d I knew this was coming, I didn't expect anything other than what came out of that game. Oh sure enough, it was a it was a set piece at Undone's shock hover.
SPEAKER_02You know, in World War One, would you have wanted these people on the in the trenches next to you? Our team. I think I'd have put a German accent on. Yeah, I think that's uh sums him up. We uh we we joke with that for anyone who's a bit uh sensitive. Or a bit German or a bit players-ish. Yes. Um anyway. Uh the the the only positive let's call it a positive. The only positive that I saw uh around the game was the reaction of the away fans who pay their hard-earned money to follow us left, right and centre, and they voiced their concerns at the end of the game, let's say. And quite rightly were giving the uh the players dogs abuse. And and I and I think whilst, you know, ordinarily, I've said all season, I don't we don't generally agree with booing players and stuff, this season they have deserved it. Absolutely. And and and to be fair, this you know this last couple of seasons they've deserved every bit of abuse that's come their way.
SPEAKER_00Well, we you reap what you sow, and then you've got fans paying a good percentage of their income to supplement them on with obscene amounts of money. Yeah. Yeah. Obscene amounts of money which they're not giving back much in return.
SPEAKER_02Well, uh y you know, in all honesty, it's one of them I I almost call it a moral dilemma. If I was their if I was one of them players earning earning Oh my god, I almost said that. That's laughable. Um conjuring up um ninety grand a week or whatever the hell they're on. I you know, I mean I think I think it's fair to say, and unless they live in Buckingham Palace or something, that they might not have needed all of those wages to keep uh keep floating uh you know floating and ahead above water. So I personally would like to think I would kind of give a hell of a lot of those wages to charity and just just have enough to keep you know my family rolling, that's fair enough. Yeah, but I think the rest of it I'd be utterly ashamed to collect. Absolutely, you know. So for me, uh I would be giving the rest of charity.
SPEAKER_00Um see I think I'll sum up the players this season as just um it sounds you know, it sounds horrible, but this and this goes to each and every one of them, um apart from the youth because they've not hardly seen them. So youth side, uh Lewis Page and all that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's interesting when they're in the team actually doing quite reasonably well considering when we've gone to the old guard yet again with Rowett coming in and being predictable, um you know, yeah, it's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, I'll just the like um I'll describe them as parasites, and I mean that in and I would say that to the faces parasites because the living off the club, earning obscene wages, yeah, or not earning again, but being given obscene wages, but also living off the back of the legacy that was left by amazing players such as Jamie Vardy and all well, we don't need to mention them, we know who they are, we know what they did for club, and he's like just living off that, including Winx. I'm gonna call him out. He to me is one of the as a human, he is just low. I think the way he's behaved, acted, the times he decided not to play football because he you know he thinks he's above it, but he had not uh adhered to coming to stay in Leicester, for example, he's he's he had that in and out of the uh team because of his attitude. So no, I think he's an absolute disgrace, and as soon as he leaves the club, the better off we'll be, without doubt. Wages aside, it we don't want people like that in this club, and this is the result of it.
SPEAKER_02So that's it. The the the complete reset for me starts exactly with what you're saying there. I mean, um the due diligence that we used to do on players, I think, needs to be brought back in straight away, unless anyone A is willing to live in Leicestershire, which in itself is a bit of a bit of a trick. But no, I'm I'm joking, of course, Leicestershire's a wonderful county, and so some of the counties around us for Leicester.
SPEAKER_00Beautiful county, you've been.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it is. So, you know, unless players are willing to come and spend their life with us, if you like, during that two, three, four, five year contract or whatever it is, yeah. Why are we signing them? Why are we signing them?
SPEAKER_00But um But that's I think that's just highlighted the whole problem, the whole approach this season has been the writing was on the wall for me from day one when we tried to keep positive, but the late appointment of CIFU enters and then that the um there wasn't any uh wows what in the um transfer there wasn't in the transfer season who's bought who have we bought exactly the last two years who have we bought and we've relied then there's a problem we've tried to um it's a squad consisting a lot of loan players and players come to the end of their contract this summer.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So that combined, you say you're you're gonna build a team of loanees and people come to the end of the contract.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Do you really expect them to bust a gut for this club? Do you really expect them to risk injury because they're gonna be thinking, well, I'm only gonna do so much because I've got to think of my next contract, which is I will be at another club, whether it's my home club I'm being known from, or I'm coming to the end of my contract, I need to keep reasoning me fixed so somebody else gives me a big juicy contract. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Jordan, are you example of um which again I'll I'll say it again for me, worst pound for pound signing we've ever made in the club's history. That's yeah, um for me. But anyway, we move on. Um so next game was the relegation game, as I like to call it. Um exciting. So exciting, isn't it? Tuesday the 21st of April 2026, Leicester City 2, Hull City 2. Begovich, Ricky P, Lascelles, Vestigaard, Luke Thomas, Abdul for Taru, um Skip Mukasa, Jordan James, BDCR, Postman Pat Dakar, subs. Winks for JJ, Hamza for Ricky, Ramsey for Skip, Ayu for Mukasa, Mavadidi for BDCR, and subs not used were Monga, Aribo, Suter and Stalachik. 20 shots, four on target to there, 13 shots, four on target, 51% possession, uh relegated asterisk. Uh 42 points, which would have been 48 without the six point deduction, eleven wins, fifteen draws, um and eighteen defeats, uh minus eleven goal difference. Uh anything from that game? I mean, obviously, apart from the fact it's relegated, is any sort of thoughts on the game itself? I mean, I've heard from lots of people, including a good friend of mine who's a season ticket holder, which we'll get on to later. Yes. Was a season ticket holder. Um he he said a great amount of effort in the last 20 minutes, half an hour.
SPEAKER_00Well, again, where was that effort all season? Where was that effort? And it's like I I couldn't get excited. I was watching it, I watched it, and I thought to myself, well, now you're showing a bit of endeavour. And it but even then it was endeavour which resorted in nothing yet again. But where was that commitment to the cause throughout this season?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Where was it incredible, isn't it? So no, uh there hasn't been and then the likes of Aaron Ramsay um missed a couple of sites. I don't blame him to be honest, because he's not match fully match fit, but it just highlights how things are being ran by this club. Again, like I said, do you really expect an O'Neill who'd just come down from injury to um be putting those chances away? What a suit what a silly um choice of player, really, to set on.
SPEAKER_02I just think the whole as we've discussed before and as we've mentioned before, I think the whole thing is wrong from and we'll come on to these uh some of our special awards in in a second. But um the you know, you look at it, the the loan signings we've we've we've signed this season, Ramsey actually looks a really good player but been unfit for most of the season. Um you look at who was the the Argentinian chap we had that couldn't hit a barn door from half a centimetre out. Yes, I know you mean um earlier on the street. Now it's even hardly played for us. Uh don't even care. Um I'd forgot about him to be honest. That sandwich. Yeah, whatever his name was. Who cares? Who gives a shit? Um the they've just the the the whole thing. Who else? A rebo? Oh yeah, he's made a lot of difference, hasn't he?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I don't I don't this has to be the club through and through. We sign all these players for what? Because you don't play them anyway, so it was a same as Are you? Why on earth did we spend six million on a player that's passed it, there was never much anyway.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00That six million, you might as well kept that in the pocket, it's and paid off some of the debts and uh just make do with what we had. We've got the why you've got Jake Evans, young dad. Yes, yeah, I'm not gonna say I'm not saying he'd done any better, but surely it'd been better not to spend six million on a pile of shit.
SPEAKER_02Well, what it would have been better for is his development potential. Yes, he's gone out on loan to Northampton in the end.
SPEAKER_00Again, there's seasons of missed opportunities. Yeah, too. Surely you could say, okay, I think we might get relegated. So what we'll do, we'll blow the youngsters, get them used to this level. So if we go down a division, yeah, they've got the experience of this season, and at a lower level they might do a bit better. But no, they've um another missed opportunity. Well done, top and co. You really are not wonderful.
SPEAKER_02No. Um I think going back to the who would you keep, who uh which we'll get onto later in terms of the exact exact list, but who would you keep, who would you sell? Um would for me straight away, you've got to have those conversations. Well, who wants to stay and fight to get us back up? Absolutely, yes. Um so there's that side of it as well. But even within that, that I'm sure there'd be some players who'd want to stay and fight to get us back up that you probably wouldn't want to keep because they've not shown any desire for the last two or three seasons. Yeah. So, you know, you've got to there's got to be conversations all around uh for me that will come into it, but um I've got my own thoughts on the squad. Yeah. Um but anyway, we as I say, we'll come on to that shortly. Should we should we do our special awards?
SPEAKER_00I think we I think we need to. We have a special awards ceremony just for Letter City.
SPEAKER_02And here the awards are. So we have first one. Now I want you to guess who's won these, and I'll I'll announce them afterwards. Okay. So player who has shown most effort all season but ultimately fallen over a lot. Uh that's the first one.
SPEAKER_00Well, there can only be one, and let's be honest, he spent more time on the ground than our goalkeeper. And it's the wonderful Jordan Are you? No, it's not.
SPEAKER_02It's not. Because I'll go on to the second award, which is player who has shown the least effort but ultimately fallen the least.
SPEAKER_00I see what you did there.
SPEAKER_02So so going back to the first one, the one who's shown the most effort but ultimately fallen over a lot is postman Pat Daker. Yes. Well done, Pat Dac.
SPEAKER_00Yes, for effort, yeah, I'll give you that. I see where you're going for.
SPEAKER_02Great effort, great effort, but you've fallen over a lot. Uh the one who's shown the least effort but ultimately fallen over a lot is Jordan. Thank Flip. His contract is up. Are you? I think that's his full name. Um anyway. There you go. Number three, award number three, the best owned goal of the season. Well, there's a couple of candidates here. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Now, Memory Serves here. The wonderful underachieving player that we had in Samari.
SPEAKER_02Oh yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Remember him?
SPEAKER_02Had a lot of potential but never lived up to any of it. Because he constantly made a tit of himself. He did, yes. No, oh that was a different boober, wasn't it? Um okay. For him and our lovely own Admiral Nelson. Benjamin Nelson, yes, and it the the award goes to Benjamin Nelson for the superb sliding home goal at home against QPR earlier this season.
SPEAKER_00And I heard that the club will be released in their DVD special. I've just said that alone because there's not much else to be probably the highlight weirdly. Highlight of the week.
SPEAKER_02Okay, the uh worst manager of the season award.
SPEAKER_00Well, there's a it's we've got a choice of two, haven't we?
SPEAKER_02So Well, we've got two, and also you could throw Kingy into the into the mix of the yeah. Um but yes, the the the award has been won jointly for playing the same team all season of Sifuentes and Rabbit together. They've all both played the old duffers for most of the season. Well done to both of you. Well done. Quicks. Um the next one is owner of the year award for cliches, um AI sentences and blaming everyone else. Who's won that one, do you think?
SPEAKER_00Well, let me think is it Ted Bowley? Bowley of uh what's it? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. He actually uh takes action when uh after spending minions and who's on the owner again. It's uh it's it's on the bottom. It's on the bottom it's on the at the top of my tongue. Oh top! That's the top of my tongue.
SPEAKER_01Well done top.
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SPEAKER_02Right, okay. Now the uh the most embarrassing home defeat of the season. Uh now again there's a few candidates for this boys.
SPEAKER_00You've really got to scanner your mind for this, haven't you, really? Where where do you begin?
SPEAKER_02But it's gotta be, hasn't it, the Southampton uh where we were 3-nil up with about 60 minutes gone.
SPEAKER_00Yes and ended up losing for three. I mean that was amazing.
SPEAKER_02And then, of course, last but not least, um well, sorry, there's one over there after this one, but the most embarrassing away defeat during the season.
SPEAKER_00Oh, again.
SPEAKER_02There's a lot. There's a lot of all of them. Come on to say all of them. Pretty much. No, I I've picked or we've picked between us the uh embarrassing 4-1 away uh defeat to QPR where we were 4-0 down half time. Yeah, and that deserves a round of applause again. Yeah, absolutely. Come on, boys. And I think you you had you had one, didn't you, you that you'd um made up now?
SPEAKER_00Yes, I think this is um it's like a prize question. This is great.
SPEAKER_01I think volley of the season. Volley of the season. Volley of the season. Well, it's gotta be um it's gotta be Abdul, hasn't it? No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You've got to really think of it.
SPEAKER_00Volley of the season.
SPEAKER_02Has someone volleyed it into Rowan Net then? No, no, no, keep thinking. Uh oh, oh is it something to do with our mate Harold?
SPEAKER_01Carry a bond.
SPEAKER_02The winker of the club.
SPEAKER_01The carry-abond, yeah. It's very hot now I got on. Harold winks. And then uh is it the volley he gave to the fans? That's the one's bumps.
SPEAKER_02Anyway. Moving on. Whoops, what I meant was uh get away from our club, you cauliflower.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's the word.
SPEAKER_02Yes, okay. Might need to edit that a bit later. Anyway, uh So er right, next thing is I I think I alluded to this earlier, didn't I? Jamie, there's a friend of uh ours uh of the pods called Jamie, who's um been going to the to see Leicester City for he hasn't been a season ticket holder for fifty years, but he's been going to see the club for fifty years. He has been a season ticket holder for quite a few years now, on and off, um and he's just made the decision to give up his season ticket for next year. Him and his lad went, his lad's around about 17, um, and him and his lad went and they would spend, I think, from what he told me, about 900 quid for a couple of season tickets between them, as in uh collective uh price, and he's just uh his lad's working now, so that's part of the reason. His lad can't go to so many games. Um he works part-time alongside his studies, but but obviously uh Jamie Ladd himself is has just uh yeah had enough.
SPEAKER_00Uh and that says a lot of it's yeah, what was his actual words to you? Can you recall what yeah because again he he I think the club needs to realise fans don't make this decision lightheartedly. No, yeah, that's one thing it's not like we're throwing a teddy out of the pram like footballers do, not at all. It's a case of uh you know there's a number of reasons why yeah, I found a lot of despair and finally had enough. As he said, what's caused him to say throwing the towel as it were?
SPEAKER_02He um he's I uh and he and he I've gotta say before I go too much further, he was virtually in tears saying this, and I mean, you know, quite close. Yeah. He just tried to look at it from a number of different angles. He'd you know um was was trying to look at the long term and go, you know, obviously always be a Leicester City fan, that won't change, you'll still get to games I'm sure next season, but just not as a season ticket holder, he'll he'll pick and choose, I guess. And and um it's interesting, isn't it? Because we had 23,000 season ticket sales last season, have had for the last god knows how many years in in fairness. We have a solid uh base of support, but obviously this this season I think's ruined that. I I I reckon if we get half of that season ticket sale, if we get ten or twelve thousand next season, we'll be lucky, won't we? Which is which it's absurd.
SPEAKER_00It is you know, and um he's one of many fans I feel sorry for. And it's would it send a message to the club? Yeah, it's okay, you could it's sending a message to the club, but it's whether that message is received and understood by the hierarchy, and I don't think it will, because they are so arrogant, yeah, they are so out of touch, and clearly just do not give a shit. Yeah. So we've kept tried to keep balanced on our podcast about top, trying to give them the support this season, but no, why should we give you support where you go don't give us any at all? Yeah. You've run the club into the ground, you've been an embarrassment, you've and you've shamed your father's legacy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There's so much more you could have done to stop all this rot. You've been going on for five years, six years now, of constant dross. Yeah. You've underperformed, and I'm sorry, it's your time is up, you need to go. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I think it's quite telling, isn't it, and during those the the after the um Hall City game where there was a group of group of fans, including um some Fox's trust members, yeah, uh who stayed for a long period of time until people came out, and there was there was a group of fans, obviously, not just them, but the giving some of the players some stick, applauding some of the others to be fair, as in Jordan James, at least he's tried his guts out the season, bless him. Yeah. But um some of the other players they were sort of questioning and and fair play to Hamsery came out and was quite a little time for that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's definitely right.
SPEAKER_02Admitted the club had been a disgrace, uh or the players had been a disgrace.
SPEAKER_00But then again, he was probably worth a taxi because he can't drive home and then we had away.
SPEAKER_02The the most telling thing for me indeed. Uh the most telling thing for me was the um the the conversation with Top and when he was repeatedly asked, Will you be putting more, will you be putting money in next season? And I think his I think his reply, although it's difficult to to hear quite a lot of the times, but it it sounded to me like he said something like, 'I'll try. Well that doesn't sound like a lot of.' No, that's not convincing at all. That's not convincing at all. That to me, and I I've heard various rumours, and I think none of us know really, but I've heard various rumours that uh as we've alluded to all season, really, even pre-season, um King Power aren't quite doing as well as they were many years ago. Um now the ins and outs of that again we don't know for sure, but to me it seems like whether it whether he hides behind the PSR stuff or not, I think he's um yeah, he he's not got the money or he's not willing to put the money into the club anymore, and I think that's that's more to the point, isn't it? Um you know and but then again, you know, that again we come back to it and go, um, you know, is there uh is the is the restructuring of the club needed, you know, from top to bottom? And again, no pun intended by that one, but and of course it does. So if we're m losing money and he's not where have we gone wrong? Well clearly we've given out ridiculous contracts, was already said, we've we've not got everything right, have we?
SPEAKER_00We've gone from that model of picking up bargains, gems, to and selling them on you know, playing saying a star player of a season, to buy them like T Women's for 40 million and let his contract expire. Yeah. I think that's a prime example of where it's gone wrong. And then I think the Rogers equation has got to be entered in there because he was the one who was insistent that we don't sell star players and that we buy more turgid has beans like uh Ryan Bertrand and half of the defence lost nine nil. So a lot of this, I think a lot of this blame is at Brendan Rodgers' door, without question.
SPEAKER_02I think um I think certainly could you could you could definitely level a bit at him. I don't yeah. Well it's one of many, it was one of many in the question. There's so many faults on this this uh journey we've been on. Um to to yeah, it's very difficult to point your finger at just one thing, although there've been a couple of constants in that. Top and Rudkin, for example. Yes. Um but you know, it's not again you can't blame everything on them. Th the there has been other things at play as well, hasn't there? So you know it's one of them.
SPEAKER_00Um ultimately the responsibility, the decision maker ultimately the decision making. And it's like um Rudkin, we know he's the one who says yay or nay on the players who try and convince players to sign. Um so what's his powers of convincing if he has to dish out obscene wages to vet what who are ultimately very average players?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um it it's it's really difficult, isn't it to know? I mean, we've just gotta rip up the last five years, rule book if you like, because clearly they've got a lot of decisions, very much including contracts, very, very wrong. I mean I think for me your basic wage should be really, really quite um at a low level, because your basic wage should be enough, you know, the the footballers played very are paid very handsomely, and so even if you did a basic wage for them, it'd still be more than the average man on the street.
SPEAKER_00Again, there was um there was a footballing expert I saw, um I think it was on a an Instagram video, obviously clips come up on there, and they were astounded by they're going about the demise of Leicester, and I forget the who the expert was. He was saying he was amazed of how the clubs ran, and that it's not the the the the basic wages that they're given are ridiculous. Yeah, it's up there with the with the Premier League uh wages more than likes of Spurs on average, and said, but they're not um intensified, they're not given both it's not bonus related, it's not we'll give you uh here's your basic wage, but we'll give you more if you do well. None of that is a case of here's an obscene amount of money for just play how you want, because you're gonna get that obscene amount of money anyway, which is stupid, isn't it? Now that combined with that most amazing training facility they have, and we've all seen it, we're not allowed in it because we're just plebs. It looks amazing. But the problem being, players roll up there, young or old, they turn up to that club and it's like with that training ground, it's like, well, I've arrived. I've got this looks like a six-star hotel, amazing food on tap, amazing facilities. I don't really need to do much else now, I don't have to prove myself in the pitch because I'm getting this already. No, indeed. So there's no incentive for it. No, there isn't. There's no incentive, and it's like and it's been proven, we've been relegated, having an obscene amount of wages spent on them. There's a um amazing training ground, which should be far more productive than it is. But but and I say this is I'm I'm hinging now, but there's still a future for this club regardless of all that wipe the slate clean, but it's whether that future involves top king power, Woodkin. We all hope not. But there's a future.
SPEAKER_02There is a there is a growing voice, uh, and I'll have to say again, we don't know all the ins and outs, but all I would say is that it is a growing voice out there. Um I've been contacted and contacting and contacted by other people who are of a similar voice, um, saying, you know, that the and we're both. And we're all saying the same thing, which is is there a chance that Leicester City go bust under this current ownership? And you know, for me, there is a very big chance. Um I think we'll struggle next season. I think we won't just struggle next season um because of the obvious things like play, you know, the players we've got at the moment, most you know, a good half of the squad will go in the summer, which is not a bad thing. Good riddance, yeah. Absolutely. Um but you know, the whole structure of the club is wrong, it's not set up, it's not geared up to come back up again, is it? It's it's geared up to not spend a penny to survive. Yeah, we're not spending a penny. Let's not kid ourselves, let's not kid any of the fans out there. We aren't spending a penny again in the summer, are we? Unless we make a lot of sales.
SPEAKER_00But it it's not just on the the player the players. I feel very short-changed as a fan, the whole fan experience, a matchday experience over at um the King Power Stadium. It's tired looking. And we've we've taken the piss out in the past. Oh, yeah. The source station gaffer tape Tom Piece of cardboard, you know, when you buy your overpriced cardboard sausage roll and then go to a saw station. Yeah. Um it's just in disarray. Yeah. It's just and it's embarrassment. And it you can go to lower leagues and it's far better matchday experience than what they're charging.
SPEAKER_02And it goes back to, and I still say this and I've said it all along, uh, when we built the training ground, if if we'd have spent half of the amount we did on the training ground on the stadium to start with, increased the capacity but also improved the facilities, then spent half as much on the training ground, we'd still have a really, really good training ground and we would have a better stadium.
SPEAKER_00Back's a question for me time and time again. What was up with the previous training ground? Bear in mind that produced their Premier League winning team. Yeah. I just don't understand why we went down that route anyway. Like I say, a fraction of that money on tidying that up, for example.
SPEAKER_02You can get changed in a porter cabin, but as long as you've got that hunger and that desire in yourself. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't matter. It was a faux parb. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So um there we go.
SPEAKER_00Uh we all know we all know the score.
SPEAKER_02I think it'd be interesting during the summer to see what happens. And when I say interesting, I mean quite frightening in all honesty. Um because I mean I don't know, let's let's go through and this I'm not even gonna look at a list, let's go through the the playing staff as we remember, um from goalkeepers to I call them strikers, but have we actually got any strikers?
SPEAKER_00Well I think you just highlighted a problem there, and just wanted to interject very quickly here. When you think our best, you know, yes, our best player in history, arguably is Jamie Vardy. Striker. Yeah. In the same era, the best goalkeeper I would say we've ever had is Casper Smichel. Yeah. Is up there. Yeah, we've had lots of good players. We've had lots of good players goalkeepers over the years. In individually, you're thinking, in the modern yeah, in the modern area era, yeah. The two business ends of the pitch, the person that stops goals being scored and then the goal scorer. Yeah, we've failed massively to replace either. We knew it was coming.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um the whole thing scratched my head about the Cash Price Michael uh exit. It was very strange because he loved the club. He loved top. Um well, he loved his reach eye, didn't he? He he had that relationship with the fans. Um he adored the club, yeah, and it was a sudden exit, and like you weren't wanted, and they failed to replace him because the duffer that they did have in replacement, which was just abysmal, won't mention his name, Ward. Um and then Vardy though, we've not replaced him. We know that the time you knew for years the time has come, past couple of seasons he was with us. We knew that at some point this fella had to uh be replaced. Yeah where is the scouting, where is a real endeavour to get somebody half his talent would have done a um uh a far decent job than the rushed signing of Jordan Bloody Are You?
SPEAKER_02Well you you look at how we were run, and they and and there's you could argue all day. I've heard people on other podcasts say, well, the rot set in ten years ago when we won the league. I don't think it did, I think it was more like about for me about five or six years ago when so just after Vchai sadly had had died in a helicopter crash. I think over that next couple of seasons we rode the crest of a wave, but already things were starting to go wrong. Um and it you know, you look at it and and yeah, as you say, some of the examples you've just given. Um however, one big example I would give is Harry Maguire. So when we knew he was interested in other clubs and other clubs were interested in him, um, because the obviously let's be honest, the move to Man New was in the in the making for about a season to two seasons before that. So we knew and we went out and spent money on Suryunku and Benkovich. Now Benkovich didn't make it, sadly, mainly because of injuries, I guess. Uh Suryunku did, but then obviously faded. But he we still the the succession plan was there. We knew Maguire was going, so we brought in them two players to give them a season to do seasons to acclimatise, get better, integrate to the team, and take over from Maguire when he left, effectively. Yeah. Now, you know, that's perfect in a sense. Perfect example. Perfect example, sorry, yeah. Um obviously it didn't work out perfectly, but it was a perfect example of of succession planning. Yeah. And you you know, and again, that that should have been done very much. Obviously, how do you replace Varde? Very difficult, he's a once-in-a-generation talent. However, we still could have replaced him far better than we have done. Yeah. Uh well in fact he hasn't been replaced for stock.
SPEAKER_00He's just got this duffer who's not a striker, but he's not a winger. He's just what is he? He's just he's a nothing, is there?
SPEAKER_02He's as I say, and I can't can't stress enough, he might be a decent person, but for me he's lacked effort, he's lacked integrity, he's lacked um everything. Uh and and for me, pound for pound, the worst signing we've ever made in the three. Uh that's Jordan R. U. And then Pat Sendaka, who's a very likable person, or comes across as a very likable person, but couldn't it uh you know Barn Door from a centimetre out?
SPEAKER_00And as his moments, he's at and they have been flashing the pans, haven't they, when he has scored. Um but it's just few and far between, and whether it's a confidence thing because mismanagement of him as an individual.
SPEAKER_02I d yeah, exactly. I don't think the fans could love him any more in terms of when he does score, we're really let's let's hope he's gonna go on a run now. And it I think we've said that for the last four or five seasons. Let's hope he's gonna go it net it's never really happened, and I mean that's sad, but equally it does it does sort of surely we should have realised before you know four or five seasons has gone by that he's probably not up to scratch.
SPEAKER_00I'll tell you something, it makes you realise how good Ian Acho was. Because he was good for us. I know you can argue, yeah, some of the citizens he had he came across quite slow at times in terms of he wasn't it he wasn't a jay the problem is it's a bit of a poison chalice now because Jamie Vardy was up and at them, clinical, and it was everything that we look out a very good player.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it's a very difficult for anybody to replace them boots, yeah, to fill in the f to fill them boots. Absolutely. Uh but that said, um I think Ian actually was probably the nearest to it over the latter years. I can't think of anybody else who's come in and uh competed for that uh that role.
SPEAKER_02No, it's it's hard, it's hard, isn't it? But uh again, what where did we get Vardy from?
SPEAKER_00Non-Neague. And this is it. Now this is going forward now going forward then we're in we're in League one, and this is something we said earlier. Obviously, I was discussing with you earlier. Let's get rid of all the dead. We can we can drain the swamp. That's a good news of this, yeah, because a lot of people come to the end of the contract, are you etc. Um I know George denies one if you want to go through the list in a minute, but yeah, um a lot of them will be going, and then the ones that probably aren't at the end of the contract that will still go. Now we have this we've had this discussion, haven't we?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I could if Spurs get relegated, what's the possibility of Wings going back to them? Because they'll probably want him for his championship experience and being a quality player and all that nonsense. We know what it's like really, but hey ho, I sop it does go. But point being, I think a lot of them will be gone as well, because whether the the ones that are still in contract will still be gone.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00A lot of the squad again, we know is made up from lone he loanies, sorry, who have failed to um aspire to what their potential is. Yeah, um, they've let us down. I think um the Manchester City lad, Mukasa Musaka, um Melassa. Um he's um had a couple of good games when he first started, and then quite quickly to me it showed that his he'd given up interest. It's like, well, I'm going back Men City soon. But point being, they will all be gone soon. Now we're going to League One. We need to like you say, we need to root out who really wants to stay at the club first and foremost. And the majority of it will be the youngsters, the academy players. Um I know Luke Thomas gets his critics, but to me, he's shown a lot of endeavour this season. He's scored a goal and um against uh you can see his commitment was there as a local lad. So to me, again, League all respect, he'll probably do very well in League One.
SPEAKER_02I I think that's probably again absolutely meant as no disrespect because I know we've always called him the Syston Maldini, half jokingly, half not. But um uh yeah, he's probably his level in all honesty.
SPEAKER_00I and I like the lad, I like him because he's he is a local lad, yeah, and he does he does work hard. He he doesn't always get it right, but he works hard, and that's yeah comparison to the most this squad, what we need. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. The point I'm gonna get at is this. We've got um we need to root out we've got lots of prospective, very good players. Yeah. Now, this is one good thing where we could have a bounce back. We get these youngsters, these academy players who we know what are good. We've got the lot like so Will Alves and Sammy Blaybook are on loan, yeah. Lots of looneys will be coming back to the club. Yeah, let's get them blooded, let's get them into the they'll want to fight for it. It's their chance, this is their chance. Now that combined with if we did get the right manager a bit of right backing, that's a big if. I'm just saying they need to go rather than going, oh, let's get that Premier League experience player, forget all that shit of going to these Premier League playing obscene made wages. Yeah, I would personally go to League One and say, What's the best who is the best striker in League One?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And go out all out and Organ and Zah to get the best player in that division, or even League Two. Yeah. Go to League. Well non-League. Scout it. Who is the best player in League Two? Oh, is it this defender's known to be the best? Let's get him. Yeah, yeah. Oh, there's this uh midfielder at league uh in League Two is supposed to be really good. Let's get him. That because and you've got the character them. Come and join Nester. You know what we've done in the past? Come on, do you want to back up? Yeah, let's get his back up championship, and we'll go from there, kick on. You never know, you might be a Premier League player one day. But the rail is you'll be playing the championship and you'll be playing in front of a 30,000 uh capacity again at one point.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Right. Um no, I agree with everything you've just said, uh broadly speaking. So, but let's go. I've just been interested to this is a simple yes or no. Would you keep would you keep this player? And uh I'll ask you first, then I'll go with my thoughts. Uh Jakub Stolarczyk.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_02So sell, would you sell to it? Sell. Okay. Um for me, I would I'm gonna be slightly controversial here and say I'd keep, but with the promises, he's got to have a better season, he's got to play better, he's got whatever the failings were this season, he's got to improve those faults, or or he's out for me. So that's um I think he'd be the first to admit that in fairness to him. Uh Francisco Vietz. Obviously, we've seen so much of him.
SPEAKER_00Oh, him, yes. Well, here's the thing, I would say uh I know it sounds weird, I would say does keep at the basis, we don't know anything about him. Um it can't be worse than we've got. Exactly. So I would say obviously we do need the numbers, so keep for now, but again, it depended on wages. We don't know what wages he's probably on, they're probably on 90,000 a week as well, and a Vols Voice on top of that. Who knows?
SPEAKER_02Probably.
SPEAKER_00We don't know.
SPEAKER_02Asmir um so on Viet as myself, I would uh clearly they've not seen enough to play in the season, I'd get rid. Yeah. Uh next, Asmir Begovich.
SPEAKER_00Uh goodbye.
SPEAKER_02He's uh now, interesting enough, I'd say goodbye. However, I'd say if there was a goalkeeper. Goalkeeping position available at the club, perhaps as a goalkeeping coach going forward.
SPEAKER_00But again, wages. Maybe what wages is he on?
SPEAKER_02Well, okay, as long as it these are all pro the premise to anything I say here, or anything you say, is as long as the wages are reasonable for third tier football. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Third tier football. I would still say get rid.
SPEAKER_02That's my belief. Stevie Bowser, the young keeper.
SPEAKER_00Keep? I'll 100% keep.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Right, the defenders we shall go from uh Benjamin Nelson.
SPEAKER_00I'd keep.
SPEAKER_02Keep, yeah. Caleby. Cell? Yeah, sell, I agree. Um Harry Souter. I would say keep. I would say keep, because yeah, it could be. Yeah, he's he's well now he's fit again, we presume. Yeah. He's been on the bench last few games, he hasn't played, but let's hope he could be part of the team coming back up. You never know. Uh Victor Victor, your favourite, Victor Christian.
SPEAKER_00I would sell him and drive him to the club that wants to buy him myself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh, me too. Uh Ricky P. Now he's he's the exception, I'll have to say, yeah. I I will agree with other comments I've heard from other people. He's never been the right sort of character to be captain.
SPEAKER_00100% agree with that.
SPEAKER_02But he's been a great servant to us and he's been a superb player in the past. I think very likable. He's very likable, but I think he's just too nice a guy in a sense.
SPEAKER_00And and his legs have gone.
SPEAKER_02His legs are gone, yeah. I think sell. So uh oh his contract's come to an end. You know what I mean. When I say sell, I mean let move forward. So yeah, goodbye. Yannick Vestigard.
SPEAKER_00Um I'd put a dog lead on him and tie him to the nearest car that's and ask him to do uh a long distance. Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Uh Jamal Lasalle's um no, it's no for me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um again, it's uh going back to this, what I was saying earlier. Um that we've got in a headset or Premier League experience. No, we need we need League One experience. We don't want we don't want uh somebody who's had it given to them on a plate, going to this little training gun, good wages. No, we want somebody with a bit of hunger.
SPEAKER_02So well so uh I'm gonna review that because I don't think I've made a comment on Yannick Vestergaard for me. I would yeah, let go uh as soon as possible, um really, with all due respect. Uh Jamola Sells. Now again, I would say yes, of course, we don't offer him a our typical Leicester three-year contract at 3233, whatever age he is. But all I would say is from what I gather of his character, he's the sort of character we need about the club. Not necessarily at this stage of his playing career, though. That's all I'll say. Um next one on the list, so I would I would let go ultimately. Uh Luke Thomas.
SPEAKER_00Um I'll keep.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um and again, keep keep we've just I mean he's just signed a new contract, hasn't he? So we'll be here for a few years. Um uh Olabade Aluco.
SPEAKER_00Um we've not seen much of him, have we?
SPEAKER_02Older Luko. He's he's younger Luco. He's looked he's looked reasonable on the games. He has come on as sub or started on the other game. I know he got sent off on his day. I'll keep 100% keep.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but not seen much of him, unfortunately, but keep.
SPEAKER_02So uh when it comes to midfielders, this is a bit of a moot point, really, on this one, Jordan James.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, it'd be a sin to keep him because he's done so well and he doesn't deserve to go into League One, does he really in that regard? But if we could move heaven and earth to keep him player this season, without doubt, yeah, and got the right attitude, complete contrast to that tosser next to him in midfield. Um you want to know him in there, don't you?
SPEAKER_02No I'm just scratching me at because there's that many in the squad.
SPEAKER_00Great player and got a future. Sally, I don't think is with us. I would love it to be, but I don't know what the situation is because I know if you played X amount of games, you you get you um you have to sign I don't know what the the funnel is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, whatever the agreement is that we either sign him or we don't sign him or he doesn't agree to cut whatever. But yeah, in in essence, if we had a choice over the matter, yes, we'd keep him on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean if the club are clever, it might be a case of okay, we've got we're committed to sign him, sign him, and say okay, because of financial reasons, loan him out into something else in the I don't believe as as if I understand the rules now, we can't sell him straight away.
SPEAKER_02We'd have to we would have to loan him out.
SPEAKER_00Which would be uh sensible thing to do, but then again, there's been no sense in this club.
SPEAKER_02Can we afford to buy him is is the problem. Can we afford to buy him and even if we do loan him out with an agreement of a fee at the end of it? We don't know what wages he's on as well.
SPEAKER_00So it's uh a huge question mark on that, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_02Now here's a toughie for you. So I'd agree beyond Jordan James. Keep him if you can, but ultimately we probably can't. Uh Harry Winks.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yes, that's an interesting one. I think we all know the answer to that one, don't we? I think we possibly need to get rid of him. Yeah, and no doubt one or two happy clappers will say, Oh no, keep him is wonderful. No is a no for me attitude, and that's draining that swamp, it's that attitude that we need to clear root out completely from this club. We don't want that part of our DNA. Indeed.
SPEAKER_02So Hamza Chow, yeah, absolutely. So Hamza Chowdery.
SPEAKER_00Um just on the basis that he had the balls to come out and say, yeah, admit he has not been good enough. Um a bit of a 50-50 with him because but I would say keep him because he has got the experience, he has got a bit of nacity about him on the pitch. Um he's not had a great season, but then again, nobody has in this apart from Jordan James, really. No, um I'd say keep just for now because again, but he's on obscur obscene wages for what he he um produces.
SPEAKER_02In that would go down once we drop another division. Yeah, I'd hope so. But uh that's what they deserve.
SPEAKER_00So I'll keep on the basis if it's possible to keep him, because then if he's got the right attitude, if he had the right attitude, I think he'll do still do a good job for us. So and then hopefully his quality will be far better than a lot in league one.
SPEAKER_02So Okay. So uh yeah, for me for me, I would probably err on the side of keeping him. However, I would say footnote is if we get any sort of bid for him at all, he'll be gone. Yes, because it would be pure profit being a local lad who was brought through the academy, I think he'll be gone. So um, anyway, Joe Aribo. Um and we'll keep this as simple as do we release him back to Southampton or not? I think we will, won't we? Yeah, goodbye. Uh Oliver Skip.
SPEAKER_00You know, if you asked me the start of the season when he started playing, I would say, oh, get rid of it. But he has been the most improved player. But again, I don't just on the basis of we don't know what their financial situations are and wages, etc. I would say keep.
SPEAKER_02Well also for his book price, I'm guessing, we still need to sell him for about twelve to fifteen million or something just to just to break even. So I think from that alone we ain't gonna get that price for him, so we'll have to keep him. Yeah. Um Louis Page. Keep keep, definitely 100%. Divine Mukasa.
SPEAKER_00Uh sell.
SPEAKER_02Oh let him go back to his parent club Van City, yes, I agree. Aaron Ramsay.
SPEAKER_00Where was that? Yeah. Um Aaron Ramsey again, he can go. He's he's it's been unfortunate for his injuries, but again, yeah, but my put my point being that we don't want to be making a team up of of uh lone-nees and sick notes. Yeah. Again, and if you are is gonna be a low-one, or we need to start getting players from lower leagues on earth gems like we used to. So to me, he can go back.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Aaron Ramsey, sadly, I think he looks a good tidy player.
SPEAKER_00He does look a good player. I'm not denying that, but I don't think it's for us where we are now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for me, anyway, he's uh yeah, I I would agree with you. Uh I think he's a good tidy player, however, he's too injury prone, and let's be honest, probably his parent club want too much money for him, no doubt. Uh next one is Michael Golding, I think he's that star signing from Chelsea.
SPEAKER_00Um wow. You know, it's very hard because I always find it bizarre when you sign these players. It's like remember a few years ago we signed Tom Lawrence, and I think he ended up going to Derby in the end, didn't he? Um you're doing quite well for them, but uh again, wasn't he for didn't we get him from I think it was Other Man's City or Chelsea as well, wasn't he? He came from quite a bigger club at the time and we never saw him. And I always find it odd that we get obviously the players, you never see anything of them. And could they have done any worse or any better than the ones that have cocked up this season? Yeah, I'm just saying it's difficult to say, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02I I mean for me, uh he's still a young player. Uh I don't I've not seen But I'd say get send him back.
SPEAKER_00I'd say send him back. Well he's he's he's a permanent sign in, isn't he?
SPEAKER_02So he's not on loan, so I thought he was a no no no he's the he was a mate wait for Jewsby Hall.
SPEAKER_00If you remember Jewsby Hall was I'm thinking about uh sorry I'm gonna be daft.
SPEAKER_02I'm thinking of uh Yeah, Michael Golding. Um I would personally obviously you've got to I I I don't think we'll be selling him. I think we'll we'll again leave one minute. No next one, uh Silko Thomas. Keep. Yeah, keep. He's he's shown enough in flashes, I think, to say he could be okay at League One, couldn't he? To be fair. Um Abdul Fatawu.
SPEAKER_00Well he'll be sold anyway. I think he'll be sold as well. He's got a great season. I know he's scored some belters as he does, but again, one of those has not really done enough.
SPEAKER_02No, I think well, I think we'll need to financially sell him full stop, so that's not even our mate Jordan Are you?
SPEAKER_00There's a local scrappers yard that uh said they'll uh uh swap him for a Ford Cortina, so uh the Cortina, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um to be honest, I wouldn't mind an escorting sort of but anyway, that's a sorry, that's a silly joke.
SPEAKER_00Um Steffi Mabadidi. Yes, um now there's I saw a rumour that Everencia might be interested in him again. Um I won't mind a holiday, I'd rather have him there myself for another couple of days in the sunshine.
SPEAKER_02But then he's he's been he was superb in that first season, wasn't he? And then he's and then uh you know tiny spells in in the parameter.
SPEAKER_00He is a clear example of where things have gone wrong in this club. He people we know can perform but haven't.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And you think to yourself, why is that? Yeah, well I have so many talented players just decided not to play. So he's that to me, he's a prime example of what's going wrong. So that regard, I don't think he deserves another chance.
SPEAKER_02I probably not. I I I'll have to say he's a confidence player, so for me, I think he's just not confident at the moment. But I might be wrong on that, he might just be a you know not a very good character. But for me, he seems like a confidence player without confidence. But yeah, if we got the chance, if we get offered anything for him, sell him. Yeah, uh Dujon Richards. Now that's probably the one that's gonna be. I'd say yeah, released back to Chelsea. Yeah. Um that's it's yeah. Um Bobby D. Cordova Reed.
SPEAKER_00The Fulham legend.
SPEAKER_01Well they've got a statue for it. Since we bought him, he's got two relegations on his CV with us.
SPEAKER_00That's quite impressive, isn't it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um yeah. Well done, Bobby.
SPEAKER_00So the BCDR, does R stand for relegation? Bobby called over relegation.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. B D C R R Bobby Cordover Reed relegation. Relegation Reed. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Um, yeah, so so again, he's not I don't meet him to be honest with I've said.
SPEAKER_02Postman Pat Daker.
SPEAKER_00Bless him, likeable fella, um lovable fella. Yeah. Yeah. But no, he's just not he's just not that goodbye.
SPEAKER_02Um yeah, Marcel, who we've seen lots of this season. We saw him two three seasons ago. Was it two?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Two seasons ago, two seasons ago.
SPEAKER_00Again, because we don't know much about him, do we? Still, all this time he's been at the club. No, so I'll take I'll say again, League One, he might do something to keep for that reason. Yeah, it might be his level, but we don't know.
SPEAKER_02Again, I think any of these players we mentioned, if we get any bid for them at all, any guy applies to any player right now, even Larsen Elson.
SPEAKER_00If the money comes in, you you would sell.
SPEAKER_02Um last last but not least, of this list that I'm reading out, there there are others obviously connected to the club, which but all all the youth players I'd say keep without a doubt. Um Jeremy Monger is the last on this list.
SPEAKER_00Obviously, we would like to say keep, but again, I've heard that um Arsenal are interested in him. Um again, he's not had a good season because he's not been had the chance to shine, because they're like us of Gary Rowley come along and play the old Duffers. Yeah, um, we know we know there's a potential in there. That the fact that so many people rave about him that big clubs like Real Madrid um have been touted as I mean he's only 16. We know he's going to be a phenomenal player.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Unfortunately, I can't see him being a phenomenal player with us. That's just typical. But keep. But again, if uh practicality is um overall, if somebody come in with a ludicrous bid, then you'd you'd sell. I mean absolutely it might be one of those situations because of his age, somebody'll buy him and loan him back to us for two years. I'd be happy with that for for now. Yeah, but it's just to fill those boots, somebody who's got quality, which he obviously does, but we're just not seeing it because we've had um our joint manager of the season. Oh my god, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um playing it. Oh, let's I know, let's try these these. Talk about this exceptional talent, have we? No overpaiders. Let's put them back into because obviously the experience will count. Oh yeah, it's really counted, don't it?
SPEAKER_00Experienced losers rather than inexperienced winners. Yeah. So let's get back to the inexperienced winners, plus Unbelievable, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02So that's the squad. Let us know your thoughts, the usual um the usual for Fox take atlook.com.
SPEAKER_00And Instagram Yeah, and also Instagram messages on there.
SPEAKER_02Instagram, or there's Buzz Sprout, obviously, or there's the usual ways of getting through to us. Yeah. Um, etc. Right, okay. Shout-outs, any from you uh just quick one, my usual shout-out.
SPEAKER_00Now this the weather is getting better. Um if you want a complete change, complete change of football out your mind, out your um comfort zone, come along to swim six hills, obviously. You just Google that to give you the. That's a very close friend of mine uh bought me once.
SPEAKER_02Well you you haven't got your swimming shorts that have got sausages all over them.
SPEAKER_00No, I wore them once and somebody quickly uh reported that my manhood was poking out, so I could I only wore them once.
SPEAKER_01But they're really small sausages then. Yeah, cock cocktail sausages.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So yeah, but yeah, swim six hills, uh go there. If you don't go swimming, there's a lovely cafe next to it, um, which is part of the same uh business, but uh go along. Lovely, lovely group of people. So absolutely, absolutely. Uh both uh customers and uh the owners alike. Yeah, over deal welcome.
SPEAKER_02100%, 100%. That's they are lovely there. Right, uh my uh two it won't surprise you, the usual couple. She's Jarva Jane Coffee, Coffee on the Move. Um, just please don't spill it. Uh Cozy Character Filled Mobile Coffee Van, Leicestershire Knotts, Derby, and events. Um Jarva Jane spends a lot of time at Newlound Nature Reserve because she is northwest Leicestershire based, but does go to other events around those counties just aforementioned. Um obviously weather permitting usually, but she a lot of her dates will be in her on her website, which is www.jarjanecoffee.co.uk, and still on offer at the moment um is is the first person to see her on any of those events or or um dates on a website. If you go up to her and say, Hey up, Frank, that's from Fox Oscar Podcast, she will give the first one to say that a coffee, uh free coffee that day. Um so uh just the first person, not not all of you. She might be out of business if uh three of you do it. Um joking. Um and the name really isn't Frank or Jane, it's neither. Um it's Cecil. No, it's not. It's a joke. Um anyway, so as long as it's not are you? It's not not Jordan, though. No. It's uh right, and the next one is Tom Vaughan, which is TV detailing, Leicestershire and surrounding areas. There's a mobile vehicle Valetin Supremo who specialises in cars, vans, lorry, horse boxes, and um He's an experienced vehicle Valetin Service Supremo, upholstery cleaning, child seat cleaning and sanitising. But once again, as I say, every week, he does not clean the children or the horses.
SPEAKER_00Most of the Well, you say that, yeah, I'm sure if you offered him the right money.
SPEAKER_02He's available on 07714-235-324. Uh he does give a portion of his income straight to charity, and again I'll let him explain why and which charity, because it's personal to him. Um, but that's superb, doesn't matter, you know, in a sense what the charity is, it's they're all great charities out there. Um so there you go. So there's the two shout-outs for us. Mental health-wise, uh I'd I'd honestly like to we normally uh read out about the the hoodies you can get the anti-suicide hoodies, which you'll always give a plug to um to them. Um you know the ones are mean, don't you? Yeah. So it's Live to Live Apparel, and it's the the ones with Dear Person Behind Me, the world is a better place with you in it from the person in front. And then on the front it says you are enough, and they're normally we don't get any sort of commission for this, but they're normally like twenty, twenty-five-ish quid, something like that, depending on whether it's t-shirt hoodie or whatever that you're buying from them. Um I think it's a an amazing um T-shirt hoodie product because it's a simple message, but it's one that we should all say to each other uh without a shadow of doubt. So that's that's my main mental health message, albeit I'd like to talk about how this season has affected our own mental health. I'll I'll use us two as an example, but any of you out there are willing who I know there's one or two that are are willing to speak to us in future episodes going forward, but how's it affected yours, Oscar?
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, I'll be lying and says it doesn't affect me. Of course it does. Um me and uh uh I'm a lesser city fan through and through on the base of my grandfather. Uh he took me to my first ever games at the um when I was at Filbert Street. Yeah. And uh so it it's in my blood to follow that club. There's um I wouldn't I couldn't even jump yeah, I I know you hear fans who are very indifferent, you know, fair weather fans who jump ship and go, I'm sporting this club now. I could never do that. It's my hometown. I'm very proud of my hometown, the the city and the county. Um it's a very underrated place, personally speaking. It's got its problems, but which place hasn't. But the club, you know, after that miracle um back then, we've still got a lot to be proud of. That's yeah, it's as annoying as sad as it is, um it has affected me because it's that feel-good fact, isn't it? Especially the week. Uh your typical Saturday, for most people, your weekend is um you do a bit of shopping, you you get a few things done around the house, spend some time with the family, and it's oh, three o'clock football. Either listen to it or watched it, or be going to it if you're lucky enough or unlucky enough. And it just sets you up for the rest of the uh weekend, doesn't it? When you've had a victory, you just feel like no matter who it's against. And um I think the most disappointing thing this season is like let aside victories, it's the football that's been on offer so turgid, and that's been going on for a number of years now. So and it it affects your mental health because you watch it for that feel-good factor, yeah, and that hasn't happened for a long while. So that's my message to Top Bedder. You're affecting a lot of people mentally with your um attitude. You're clearly into your horses and polo, yeah. Helping so you can spend more time with that. That's your passion. Football is ours, give us our cryp back. Yes, and I'd agree.
SPEAKER_02So uh so yeah, no, good points, uh Oscar, good points. I mean, I think for me, again, similar, I'd I'd say there's a lot of fans out there who go to the football for various reasons, some because they want to be entertained. Well, we haven't had that for three seasons now, have we? Um so there's there's that, but there's other other fans, there's a lot of fans out there, and let's be honest. We you you club chooses you, you don't choose the club quite often, apart from your plastics. You choose Man New Man City Arsenal or when Leicester when we were blah blah blah. Or Leicester wasn't getting a ticket for money. Um but your plastics all go from successful club to successful club, won't they? Because they are plastics, but you your diehards will go fans. Your core fans will go big and thin. That will be there in league one. Yeah, we'll be there in Libre.
SPEAKER_00If they're in League 2, I'd still be following them just as passionately. I just want to see something back for my money. That's not and that's and that's if I can interject, I was just one thing I was going to say. If um there's lots of people calling Leicester City fans, and it annoys the hell out of me because we've raised concerns for a number of years now, because we've seen the way it was going, you know, or the the the it's been appalling the the through the past four or five years, and it's all it's the attitude, and it's come from some of the bigger clubs or even the local ones as well, Forest and Coventry fans rubbing the nose in it at the moment and saying, Oh yeah, oh you're considering yourself lucky, uh you've you've won the Premier League, you consider yourself lucky, so what you no. You don't have success and then have even worse failure and put up with it. You won't have that. And it'll be like buying an expensive car and it for and fine for a few years uh first couple of years and suddenly start going into the garage regularly. You'd have a right to moan about it. No, I've paid a lot for this. Brilliant at first, but or this at this attitude of we should put up and shut up, put up or shut up. No, it's we have every right to complain. So I'll I'll protect the fans because the fans are the club and they deserve better.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh as I was saying, I think for me, uh I think I I haven't had this conversation with you not not that long ago, didn't I? I kind of that's part of me. I mean, I know I'll still go to uh go to games next season and hopefully when I change jobs I'll be able to go to a lot more. Um however at the moment I'm still at that. I can get to about five to ten games a season just because of working a lot of weekends. However, um I I was seriously contemplating next season my um my lad lives up in the north west of the countr county county country even sorry, northwest of the country, and goes to uh he is a Man City fan primarily, but he supports Leicester as his second club if you like. He's um from he's born and bred up that part of the country, unfortunately, just because of circumstances. So he is a Man City fan. So I was thinking, do I go literally, do I sort of give me mental health a bit of a break and go up and see a decent team for a couple of games with my lad? You know, just here and there, never be anything other than Leicester fan. I'll put that out there now. Absolutely not. However, you know, just to give myself a bit of a break, and then the more I thought about it, I thought, no, I will still go up and spend a bit of time with my lad, obviously, and I will still go to the odd game, obviously. But my heart and everything, I'll I'll want to go to as many games as I can next season. Yes, it'll still only be between five and ten while I'm in the current job I'm in, but I want to go to to to see yeah, to see Leicester, hopefully come back up, but that depends on a lot of things that go on this summer, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, and I'm forever I'm forever uh the optimist. I think um if you get things right, uh but it's again it is that big if er but sparking me or hope uh that next season will just be without sounding arrogant, um be an entertaining one for us. Yeah. And that's not much to ask for. Premier League player uh team in League One. I think um well we're not a Premier League team, we're not a Premier League team, we've never not not been for a long while. When we're in the Premier League, we're a championship team for quality.
SPEAKER_02Um look at the last four seasons now, yeah, as you say, of which two of which have been technically in the Premier League, but both times we've got relegated. So we we haven't been a proper Premier League team for at least five years now, have we?
SPEAKER_00Exactly. So um but to me, and I think this is my message to everybody now, it's a chance to see our young local players to shine. Yes, and that's this is a probably a once in another opp once in a lifetime opportunity for the club right now because we've got lots of young players ready to pick off the uh tree right now, ready for yeah, yeah, the bearing fruit. Now's the time to um give them the chance, let them shine. We know we just mentioned half of them in that list of who to keep and sell. Yeah, um we've got others on loan, uh Will Alves, Braybrook, um those uh um names escape me right now. But yeah, Jordan Joseph, Jake Evans, you know, yeah. Yeah, Jake Evans. Um they've been now they've been on loan, uh, one of the two of them on the league below in League Two, but they've had that experience. Yeah, I think they're ready to cut it. Give them that chance.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Let them uh show what they're capable of. The local lads, they'll put that bit more effort in the likes of Harry Winks, who refuses to stay in the county.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So let them shine, let them embarrass the hell out of these players that have let us down. So you never know. Wouldn't be difficult. It's um it's almost like you could say, if it's handled the right way, the class of 92 for Manchester United, you know, um give the kids a chance. Yeah, lots of people said, Oh, yeah, uh kids won't win anything, all that Malarcoin, all that history. Yeah. Let's just give them a chance. Absolutely, yeah. And I think they'll flourish. I would really do if you've got the right manager, get the right coaching set up, that right motivation, which I think them oh, I think I think the motivation's there for them anyway. Yeah. You'll be giving them a chance to shine, yeah, and I think they'll take it. Absolutely. But we've got to get it right, but there's th there's that ray of hope there for me.
SPEAKER_02Fingers crossed, onwards and upwards, uh, as I say, it's been a horrible couple of seasons where uh aside from um going back to the mental health aspect, aside from my own personal battles with it, without wanting to go too deep on that because it would bore everyone silly, but the football really hasn't helped. It's it's made, you know, it's made a lot of us have poor mental health. It has.
SPEAKER_00Um so you know it's like we do this podcast, it's uh voluntary, we don't earn anything from it, but we want to try and uh keep people entertained, we share people's points of view because we're in contact with people. Yeah, and obviously uh we discuss mental health because we think it's something that is worth mentioning. We're trying to break free that stigma of you don't talk about mental health. Yeah, we're here to say let's talk about it, absolutely and it's a lot easier to talk about it when you've got a football club that we all love doing well, yes because it helps it's a it's a relief, isn't it? It's like it's like a medication, it's good, yeah, it's that feel-good factor. And the powers that be at that club need to take responsibility.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, absolutely. They do. So, yes, without further ado, onwards and upwards. Uh keep your all I would say is keep your emails, your your social media posts, keep your um your posts.
SPEAKER_00Please message uh messages on Instagram.
SPEAKER_02Uh we've got the Instagram on there. Facility to messages, yeah. I think just let us give us the messages, leave us some of them voice notes like you did a couple of weeks ago or in the last few weeks. Yes. They were quite superb, some of them.
SPEAKER_00Um we'll read them out. And and it's a chance to message the uh club because um I know that there is somebody in the club who does listen to this podcast. Ah, there you go. So you know it's um little acorns, big trees, and all that. So please, you know, send you some messages here. Might get to sit here. Somebody at the club might listen to it and might not take note, but that just might.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you never know. Every little, you know, every little seed hopefully grows on it. But anyway. Um anything final any on the final round up, anything from you, Oscar?
SPEAKER_00Um, well, obviously we're coming to the end of a turgid season. We're gonna have a refresh, something that the club long needs, but we're gonna have a refresh very soon of our club uh of this. Yeah, we might well be having a very I don't want to mention names, but quite a famous person coming on our podcast as a uh a guest, and I think that'd be a great way to introduce the new refresh podcast that we've got lined up. Um but it's somebody You've not asked my wife again, have you to come on? God damn it, it was gonna be a surprise. She's found out that you call him Manhurro, uh Man Hour behind the back. Um it's not to be fair, it's very much to her face, and she knows that, but um yeah, God bless her. So no, other than that, um it's onwards and upwards. Um keep it together. We're all fans, and without standing up uh the government, we are in it together and we'll stick together.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, and all I would say is as the players have been doing for the last two seasons, sideways and backwards. Okay, it's goodbye from me from it.
SPEAKER_00And it's goodbye from him as well. Cheerio.
SPEAKER_02Ah, that's me dumb.
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