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Two sisters with Trials, Tribulations and a bit of Rediculousness! We’ve survived and succeeded with so much going against us. Living with multiple family suicide and more loss than living. Our mission is to talk about the hard stuff! Say the words no one wants to say! Let you know your feelings are valid and real!
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The Aftermath: How Losing a Father to Suicide Shapes Adult Life
Two sisters break their silence about the day that changed everything—when they found their father after he died by suicide. In this raw, unflinchingly honest conversation, Heather and Jennifer reveal how this childhood trauma continues to shape their adult lives decades later.
Heather shares how the tragedy affected her ability to form relationships and trust others—"If the people closest to me chose to leave where they could never come back, what makes me think a friend is going to choose to be there?" She describes building protective walls that impact her marriage, parenting, and friendships, while sharing the unexpected triggers that can still bring grief rushing back decades later: a stranger buying donuts for his grandchildren or family gatherings that highlight the grandfather her children never had.
The episode features their cousin Tiffany's perspective as the six-year-old who was with them that tragic day, providing a powerful third viewpoint on how the same event affected different family members. Jennifer uses a striking metaphor that will resonate with anyone who's experienced profound loss: "It's like our life was a snow globe...our dad died and it was like that snow globe was shook so hard you couldn't even see what was in front of you."
Both sisters emphasize that grief isn't something you "get over"—rather, you learn to navigate life around it. Their message balances painful honesty with hope: "They chose their path, we choose ours and we choose to keep pushing forward." This powerful conversation creates space for others touched by suicide to feel less alone and perhaps find pathways toward their own healing.
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Hey guys, it's Heather and now we are going to move into our adult life and how our past has affected our adult life. So again, I graduated at semester and I knew my whole life I wanted to go to cosmetology school. So I started cosmetology school that January, february, after graduating high school in December, and then I just went back for my graduation so I did walk but just got out of there early. I moved to Jeff City, started cosmetology school and that was great, I have to say I didn't. I wasn't like there to make friends because I wasn't good at relationships and I just did my work and left, go to work, go home, and I met my husband, jody, and he had moved in with me shortly and then, upon graduation, a year later, we moved to Sedalia and started our family.
Speaker 1:I must say it was different, because I'm not a talker, I'm not good, I don't want to talk about my emotions and my husband is very talkative and sensitive so he likes to talk. So he'd be like what's wrong and I just will clam up and if I cry I don't want to talk, I just just leave me alone. You know I don't need to talk about every single thing, but I did realize I needed counseling. So I did seek counseling and I met with several different ones, you know, throughout the years, and my husband would always say I scared him off, because I mean one literally. I just didn't get a call back, another one and it's the truth planned on moving already but I wouldn't see them anyways and then they had moved. So of course I seen them once here recently I actually reached out to one and had a 15 minute consult just to touch base and see if it was something that would work out of California and she could do more coaching, being that I was out of state versus counseling in state and I thought it went great and I thought my reason in doing that was California. It's a different time, times have changed and you know so many say, well, build a memorial place, plant a tree so you can talk to them. I don't want to do that, that doesn't do anything for me. So I consulted with her and she's like, and I said you know, I'm sorry, that's probably overwhelming, oh no, it's great, you know, I'll email you over the options and I never heard anything. So pretty sure I scared her away, but she was very kind for that 15 minutes. I talked to her.
Speaker 1:But I did get a local lady and she's fantastic. I've seen her the last several years. She's gotten me through a lot of hard times and you know my husband. I try to get him to go and he says I don't need to talk to a stranger, I have you and I agree. Why do we go talk to strangers and they don't know our story, when we could talk to our family or significant other? But the thing is is sometimes you need that outlet and, yes, my husband can talk to me and I'll listen, but we're in it together. So to have an outside opinion is very hard because I'm dealing with it also and it's just. It's good to have that outsider that isn't biased and can see it from the outside, so she can be like Heather. What would little Heather say? Or what would? What does little Heather need to do? Or you know, one of the things she had told me to do is write a letter to my dad, and whether I burn it, tear it up, keep it, but write it so you get your feelings out, and that helped a great deal. It was really hard. I started a time or two and I would quit, but it helped the most because I was able to express my feelings and say things that I never got to say. So that helped a lot.
Speaker 1:You know, I have worked at the hospital and I worked there a little over 17 years and I can remember years ago, you know, there was a group of us sitting in the cafeteria and they were talking, and you know some of their spouses were cops and this and that and I remember sitting down in cafeteria, group of us, and they were talking about a scene, a crime scene and et cetera, and I'm like guys, can we please change the subject? They just like I think it was the day and it just like I think it was the day and it just like hit me like a brick wall and I ended up just getting up and going back and they you know they of course said yeah, we can like no big deal. And then, but nobody knew why because I didn't talk about it. So when we went back and I kind of expressed to one, I'm like, look like you know my dad had taken his own life and you know we were home and I just some days I can't, and they all felt terrible and I just it's stuff like that. You know, I mean, you know I don't feel like I need to walk in a room and be like, hey, I'm Heather and my dad, you know, committed suicide, but it's, it's something that's always in my life. I think that's the reason that I'm telling you this is it doesn't go away, it's always there.
Speaker 1:And you know, for the longest time, just in the last year or two, do I watch like action movies, because I never liked the blood and gore or guns or and I'm not one of those guns don't kill or people don't kill people, guns do, or so you know that is not how I am. I. I know guns protect us and I know people use them in the right way. And I'm not opposed to, you know, my husband having guns, but I just didn't have any use for him, I didn't want to be around them. And it's taken all these years, up until a year or two ago, that I can watch a movie that's action and not just melt, in a sense.
Speaker 1:Another characteristic I have which can drive some people nuts is if I watch a movie or a series, I will Google the show because I want to know what happens. I want to know the ending. And do I still watch it. Yes, do I still cry or laugh? Yes, am I still surprised? Yes, but picked to watch and I didn't honestly realize and put two and two together, until a co-worker had made a comment you know like why I look up the ending? Because I just figured, well, everybody does, you does. You know like what's the big deal? And then it just you put two and two together.
Speaker 1:And when I went and seen Julie, my counselor, and she's like you know that's just part of the PTSD from the past and it made me realize and you know I I'm the same with books, you know like I will Google or read the end and look ahead and I still watch it. And I've always told my sister, you know she had some really hard times and I tell her, like they chose their path, we choose ours and I stand by that. I mean we have to live our life and go on because we don't have an option. My sister and I both have a family now and I have some of the hardest days and I've thought many times you know how could my dad have done this and not want to see his kids grow up and what was to come? And his grandkids you know my oldest, she likes cars and my husband, he has, you know, cars and one that his parents bought new and we've redone and he redid. And my youngest is a boy at heart sometimes and I feel like you know he could have had such great relationships and there's so many things in them that I remember from him and it's hard and each stage is hard. You know my kids when they got to be the age that I lost my dad, it was really hard and you know, if I take it out and show my emotions, my family doesn't understand and it's not fair to them. So it just, it's just. It doesn't get easier. I think we learn to cope as time goes on and that's how we move forward.
Speaker 1:One of my memories I was in a donut shop and it sounds ridiculous, but there was a man in there, you know no big deal, and he was getting donuts and he proceeded to tell him or me, he was just talking in general and he said you know, he takes donuts to his grandkids every Saturday. He said you know, he takes donuts to his grandkids every Saturday. And if I could have crawled under a table I would have, because, you know, the only thing that I can think of is my kids never had that. They never had a grandpa that can go outside and play with them or bring some donuts or surprises them or goes fishing. And yeah, it's the little stuff, but it's not fair. Uh, it, it's just really frustrating and you know. So I just went to the car and I just cry and you can tell somebody, but nobody gets it, nobody understands. Um's just something, you know, that hits you and, like you, just don't realize it. It's all of those little things. And you know, when my daughters graduated high school, they didn't have a grandpa there. They had grandmas, which is great, and I am very appreciative for that.
Speaker 1:But then you come across families and they have grandparents and either they're into it or they don't get along, or they don't let the kids see the grandparents. Hits me and breaks my heart, because what my kids would do to have a grandparent in their life would be it would. It just changes things and people take it for granted and people don't realize it until it's gone. And I know everybody says that and we all get sick of hearing it you don't realize what you have until it's gone. But honestly, my kids have never had a grandfather go come to the house, pick them up and take them for a ride. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1:So if you have family and you don't get along or you don't want your kids to go to their houses because of this or that, there are legitimate reasons. So don't get me wrong. But if it's a silly, get over it. Don't rob your kids of having a relationship with family members because selfishness, selfishness, sorry, because others don't have it. My kids, they don't know what they're missing because they never had it. So it's different. But imagine the relationship if they did have it. It could be different. And it teaches them, when they have families, what it is, how they can grandparent them. So it's like they're missing that piece and I can only hope that as they grow up, my husband could be the grandparent that they never had.
Speaker 1:Another big thing that gets me is building relationships and letting people in, because I don't trust people. I mean they come and go nine times out of ten. They don't stick around. I mean, if the people closest to me on multiple occasions chose to leave where they could never come back, what makes me think a friend is going to choose to be there? And so I do put up a wall and I don't trust people and I don't have a backbone or confidence. And I'm learning. I mean I'm learning and I've made good friends that are like family and I am so grateful for them and my husband and my kids.
Speaker 1:But I feel for my kids and husband because I am standoffish because you know, my dad was supposed to love me and be there for me my whole life and he chose not to. He chose and look at how many people lose their lives that don't have a choice. You know, I worked in cancer center 17 years and they don't have a choice. And you have people on the streets taking their life because something happened and for the longest time I didn't believe it was an illness. I mean, yes, I take medicine for depression, anxiety, but somehow I would just say you know, no, it was a choice. He chose to take his life. He could have changed it. Tomorrow could have been better.
Speaker 1:And as I've grown up and I realize you know maybe it's not that easy I've learned to be a little bit more open-minded and realize that you know there was higher power. You know, maybe he couldn't push through whatever he was dealing with. You know, maybe he couldn't push through whatever he was dealing with. But again, I think when we're parents, we, you, lose that option. That option's off the table. Seek help, ask for help and do what you can. I mean, there's services and there's people that are happy and willing to help and people can't help unless they know. And if you come across as a happy person, people don't know. And a lot of times the happier people, the more problems sometimes they have.
Speaker 1:And so in my adult life I've gotten into exercising and working out and that's helped a lot because that releases so many emotions and it gives you goals to set into, to reach and it pushes you and challenges you and if you're unhappy you have to make changes. You know I was very lucky, the hospital I was at and the people you know I still was shy or standoffish, but when your work is like family, it can make a difference and I'm always thankful for that. I now have changed jobs but I feel like that's where my confidence came, that I can work from home and I can work for a company. And you know, working with the company and the people I work with in my network, they're great and it's like we've worked together forever, like you just feel comfortable and I wouldn't have had that 10 years ago. So I think it's part of growing and I'm thankful for each phase of life, in each step and, you know, excited to see what comes. You know my oldest is going to be 20 this year and she has a steady boyfriend and has moved out and going to college and you know just how far they can go. My youngest is involved in sports and in JROTC and competes and you know they're just two different individuals and personalities with different goals, and it's really exciting to see where they go.
Speaker 1:And again in my mind I'm like I don't understand how somebody chooses not to, but my all we can do is push through. I'll never get an answer. You know, my sister and I which we can talk about later go speak with somebody local. That is like a medium that talks to people. That's passed in different dimensions and some people believe in it and some people don't. For us it's hit home and personality. She can describe them.
Speaker 1:And we just went this last week and she's like, well, john's here, john's our dad. You know, the first time we went in she's like there's somebody that's been here all morning with a J, you know, and they just they've been here, they won't leave and they're very headstrong. And John, that was our dad and it's just it's good to know he's there and I could be pissed off because he could still be here, but I have to accept that there's nothing I can do to change it and it is the way it is and I can remember him for the good times that I can remember and I can talk to him and I know that he's here because he's always there when we go, talk to Glenny, but just reach out, use your resources, speak up and advocate for yourself, because nobody else can do it for you. Ask for help and, again, use your resources, and that's the main thing that we want to reach people and let them know.
Speaker 1:Talk about the hard stuff. How can you change somebody's life? You can ask them how they're doing. You can say the words death, suicide, help me, greed, guilt, f off, like say what you feel and say what you want to say, because it's your life. You get one life to live. They chose theirs, we choose ours and we choose to keep pushing forward. So now I have a little clip that I'm going to put in and it is from our cousin, tiffany, and she was the one that was there with us the morning that we had found our dad, and I think she will clarify she was six at the time. So, boy, I was way off in my first one, but very interesting to get her take as, once again, we've never talked about it. So, listen, tell us what you think.
Speaker 2:Hi everyone. So I am Tiffany. I am Jennifer and Heather's little cousin. I was there the day that their dad passed away. At that time, I had just turned six in May, and I have been asked to give what I remember happened and my perspective of how I have taken his suicide since then. My dad also committed suicide in 2018, but backtrack, almost 25 years ago I was six.
Speaker 2:I was up here for the summer. I lived in Oklahoma and it wasn't anywhere out of the normal for me not to be up here during the summer and I had asked my uncle and aunt if I could stay the night with Heather and Jennifer and they had said yes, was fine. The next morning I remember waking up when my aunt was leaving for work and she was like just watch cartoons and stuff, don't wake up the girls. Don't wake up your uncle, you know it's summer, they'll wake up. And I was like, okay, so I sat there and watched cartoons for I don't know how long and then someone knocked on the door and it was one of my uncle's friends and I remember telling him that my uncle wasn't awake yet, but I would let him know. So I waited a little bit and Jennifer had gotten up and was in the bathroom and I was like, okay, I need to tell my uncle that his friend stopped by. It had been plenty of time and he still wasn't up. So I went to his bedroom door, which was down the hallway, and I was trying to open the door and it wouldn't open. Heather came out of her room and asked me what I was doing and I told her I was like the door won't open. The door won't open. Jennifer come out of the bathroom and she proceeded to ask us what we were doing and we told her and it was like they knew something was going on, like they knew something wasn't right. So they told me to go to the end of the hallway, which I did, and I heard them get the door open and the next thing I hear is them screaming and crying and Jennifer was on the phone with 911.
Speaker 2:And I remember all three of us just going outside. I was freaking out and crying because I didn't know what was going on and I remember the police officer loaded all three of us up in the car and we went to our grandma's work, who worked there in Versailles, and I remember clear as day her running to the police car trying to get in it and the door was locked and the cop told her to quit pulling on the door handle and she said those are my grandbabies giving my grandbabies. We left grandma's work and went into my aunt's work, jennifer and Heather's mom's work in Eldon, where we then told her what had happened. And when we got back from Eldon, after getting my aunt, we stopped back in Versailles at my grandpa's work where we told him what had happened. We then met up with my uncle's sister and Jennifer and Heather had went with them and I went with Grandma.
Speaker 2:And I don't remember a lot about the next few days. It all just kind of blurs together. I remember asking to go to the funeral and was told no, I was too little. Anytime I asked questions I was told I was too little. I wouldn't understand as I got older, you know, my dad and my mom or my grandma or my aunt told me you know, like this is what happened, or jennifer or heather. But it seemed like after the funeral and everything was done, we didn't really talk about it. It's like we all just kind of moved on or we didn't know what to say to each other because we didn't know if we would hurt the other person's feelings.
Speaker 2:And I remember I was about 10 or 11.
Speaker 2:And the question that pops into my head all the time is why did he choose to do what he did?
Speaker 2:Why did he think that he couldn't live this life? Why did he think he had to take that way out? And I also always ask myself why did he do it with all three of us in the house, when he knew that we would be the ones to find him? It's not like, you know, some random person was going to find him. He knew that us three girls were in that house. Why did he choose for all of us, so young, to find him? And that's a question that no one can answer. But listening to Heather and Jennifer's versions of what happened that day, I mean it's pretty similar to what mine was and I was a lot younger than them.
Speaker 2:I just want to say I hope that this podcast does find somebody and that if you need someone to talk to, there's more resources now than there was in the early 2000s. Like you didn't see this on TV back then, you didn't read about it. You know now. That's what you see on TV, you read it on social media. You read it on the news and it's crazy that there's so many resources out there nowadays and nobody takes to use those. But I hope someone else can give their story to my cousins and get the help that they need, or just to get their voice out there. And when it's my turn to talk about my dad, I'll be willing to tell my story on that. But this is their time and if you need help, reach out. Don't be scared. I can promise you that you can save someone's life or you can save your own if you're in that predicament can save your own if you're in that predicament.
Speaker 3:Hey everyone, it's Jennifer. I just wanted to say, first of all, thank you for all of the support. I've got a ton of text messages, messages on Facebook, and I really appreciate it because it lets us know that we're doing the right thing. Um, so last time we talked, uh, we discussed that we were going to record this session. After hearing what each other said, I had no idea what, um, what my sister saw, what my sister remembered from that day. Um, and I do find it interesting that we were same situation, same family, but we perceive things totally different. I think that's important, that we understand that, because when somebody loses somebody and you know it's wonderful that people want to help, that they want to, you know, be there, be the shoulder that you cry on, but understanding the magnitude of what goes through the survivor's mind is crazy. My sister did make a very good point. We had a ton of people that we could depend on, people calling, coming over, trying to keep us busy, but that stopped. Everybody got back to their normal lives and we were stuck in a life that we had no idea how to maneuver. We're stuck in a life that we had no idea how to maneuver. Suddenly, it wasn't about my sister yelling at me because I had Limp Bizkit too loud, or me arguing with my sister about I want the phone, I need to call my friends. It wasn't about any of that anymore. It was about survival. You might find it interesting that we never talked about that day, but I think that even now, thinking about it, I don't know, I uh actually recorded this a couple, like a few times, um, but I couldn't make it through it. Um, because as a big sister, you always want to protect your little sister and I kind of always felt like I'm the oldest not by much, but I'm the oldest and I needed to protect my family. So I needed to protect my sister. Um, we went through a lot whenever my dad was alive, so I felt like I needed to protect my mom, protect my mom. But my protection wasn't asking anything I didn't want to know. I just wanted to kind of be existent, existing, but hoping that no one even noticed me anymore.
Speaker 3:Prior to losing my dad, I was very active. I, you know, had a lot of friends. I um was in cheerleading, I went to ball games and then then, whenever that year started, that school year started, I didn't do anything. I honestly don't even remember a lot of it. It's just difficult because I think that I've pushed a lot back, and trying to uncover it or expose my feelings wasn't something I wanted to do. First of all, I didn't feel like it was fair to the people around me. Second of all, I just wanted to go through life and just I don't, I don't know. I think that we kind of were just in survival mode. Um, my sister is really strong. Uh, after even now, um, I feel like she's the big sister and I'm the little sister most of the time, because if I'm going through something or if I'm having a bad day, or you know, some days, I just miss my dad so much. Even now I'll call her and I think she knows a lot of times that I'm just I can't do it, and we kind of talk about it or we make jokes about it, not, not about that, we don't joke about that, but we make jokes about it, not about that, we don't joke about that, but we make jokes about you know, what were you doing? How was work, and we never, really ever, have talked about our loss Whenever my sister messaged me.
Speaker 3:So she messaged me on Facebook asking me if I would be willing to write out the day of our father's suicide. She asked me once. I ignored her. She asked me again. I ignored her because, first of all, why do you want to know how I felt whenever I already know that you're struggling? So then she messaged me and said hey, I want to do this podcast. I think we can help some people with maybe understanding that anything you feel is normal. So I thought about it. I never responded and she knows that I'm like that I typically will see a message and if I don't want to deal with it, I just kind of ignore it. So I I I think she called me and she's like hey, this is what I want to do. I think she called me and she's like hey, this is what I want to do. And I'm like why would you want to do that? Like what is the purpose of it? And she said you know, I think we could help a lot of people. Everybody's going through a different stage of grief. So we have our father's suicide as being one of the first major impacts in our life and after that it was kind of like okay, where do we start.
Speaker 3:So I didn't want to share that with my sister because I didn't want her to know how bad it's been in my mind, how bad it's been or what I go through, even though in some aspects she knows and I, you know, I know. Whenever she's having a bad day she always says you're off the grid, I'm going to come and find you, because there's times whenever I just can't, I don't want to be on the phone, I don't want to text anybody, I just want to be at home, and I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. Whenever you go through something like this, and regardless of the tragedy, I think that a lot of people feel like no one's going to understand me anyways. So I thought about the podcast. I know I'm kind of all over the place this morning, just because it's difficult to remember a lot of this, but anyways, I thought about it and I'm like maybe it's something we should do. So I talked to my husband because I don't want to expose a lot of things. If it's going to make him uncomfortable, it's going to make him uncomfortable and he was in full support because I think in some aspect he is looking for a resource to help on the days that are really hard. I encourage everyone to find somebody to talk to and it may not be the next day, it may not be the next week or the next year, but try to find outlets to help you cope, healthy outlets to help you cope.
Speaker 3:I told you kind of about whenever I went to the therapist for the first time and my sister for the first time, and my sister talked about that too. We weren't ready for that, in no way were we ready to share our feelings with anybody. But I don't look at it as my mom was trying to, you know, be invasive or try to just you know, oh, let's talk about your feelings and everything's going to be fine. I don't think my mom was like that in any aspect. I think my mom was like holy shit, what just happened and what the fuck do we do now? Because that's how we were. We didn't say it, but that's how we were.
Speaker 3:Um, whenever I remember, um, I was going to the therapist and or like driving up there. I can't remember if she told us where we were going or not, but then we pulled into this parking lot and I'm like what the what the hell is this? And she's like well, I want you guys to talk about what you guys went through. You guys need some help. And this was literally just a few weeks after and we just weren't ready. So I think if you're someone that's supporting you know, a friend, family member please remember that everybody goes through grief differently and everybody goes through grief differently. And just because we're like, no, we don't want the help, or no, we we're not ready, just be there, because I felt like at that point and no, my mom didn't do anything wrong. She was trying to figure it out and trying to help us, but I feel like at that point we just weren't ready to expose ourselves. I appreciate the fact that you guys are letting us share our story. I really hope that it helps you figure out or find a way to get the resources that you need. Um, by no means are we, you know, mental health specialist or anything like that. We, you know, that's not our background, but we have went through it. We went through a lot. Um, there's still a lot that we're going to share.
Speaker 3:It's just it takes time because it's kind of like sharing something that is so personal to people that I know that know nothing. You know, didn't know about this and with people that I have no idea who they are. I was talking to a girl and she's like Jennifer. I listened to that podcast and I didn't know you went through any of that and in some aspect it kind of caught me off guard because I'm like whoa, this is the reality of it. I'm sharing a story that a lot of people know nothing about.
Speaker 3:So opening up is hard. Listening to what my sister has to say about things is hard. I told my sister I'm like it's kind of like our life is a snow globe. You know, you look at it and it looks so pretty and you see whatever the scenery inside of it and you see the snow on the bottom of it. But then something happened. So our dad died and it was like that snow globe was shook so hard you couldn't even see what was in front of you. Like my sister and my mom were right in front of me but the only thing I saw was, you know, the snow or the problem. And then you know, it took a long time for everything to settle.
Speaker 3:But trying to prepare for that next snow storm is one of the hardest things you have to do. I know I've kind of been all over the place today. Um, if you know anything about me or you're going to learn, I am very um, this is just my personality. I feel like staying on task is difficult for me because I want to share everything. I want you to know that you are important, you are loved and you can be a light for somebody else. So if you're feeling down or you're feeling sad or you're trying to support somebody, just be there. Look at it. Look at life as a snow globe. Yes, things are going to get shooken up and it's going to be difficult to see anything around you, I mean next to you're not going to be able to see it, and sometimes it takes a long time for that snow to settle, but when it does, you kind of see the beautiful scenery again. So I'm going to wrap up a little bit because I feel like I'm kind of just all over and blabbing a lot.
Speaker 3:But I appreciate you guys, I appreciate the fact that you're reaching out. I appreciate the fact that I've had a lot of people who want to share their story, because that lets me know that I'm not alone. So if you want to share your story or you want to talk, talk about it or tell us you know coping mechanisms. Let us know because we want to get you on here, because everybody's story is different, but it's not. It's not, you know. All right, I hope that you guys have a great week.
Speaker 3:Reach out, look at those resources that we have online and join our Facebook. It's called NASH N-A-S-H, and if you do want to share your story or you are supporting somebody who is a survivor of a tragedy and you feel like you want to tell people, this is what I did, this is, you know, whatever, just let us know. We are so proud and truly honored to be able to share our story, and I think you'll find that we are very different people, but we're probably the most down-to-earth people you'll know. Um, we typically are like it is, we're gonna, we're gonna be just our self. So, thank you guys so much. Sorry, I'm rambling today, just thinking about a lot and, like I said, I had tried to record this a few times prior. It's just, it was really hard for me. Alright, have a great day, have a great week. I'll talk to you later.
Speaker 1:Bye is a wrap.
Speaker 1:You got my story, tiffany, our cousin and my sister, jennifer, and again, we record these separately.
Speaker 1:So we do it not together, as we want to get the truth story and not feed off of each other's feelings and let it be just true, honest and raw, which is why you might hear background or you might have a delay. But again, we are new, so please bear with us, please give us feedback, anything you want to hear, anything you want to suggest or what we could do different to make it better. If you will, please like and share, as that's how it gets the word out and we get more followers and that's what we're here for. So this next week we will do it together and we will post a link on the Facebook page for a webinar or Zoom meeting and that way, if anybody wants to come on and ask questions or talk or listen, or however you all want to do it. Again, we won't record it, so you won't be seen in person or anything, it'll just be voice. So be watching for that on the Facebook site and we will talk to you next week. Thank you.
