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Turning Grief Into Kindness Through Music-Interview with Brad Wolfe
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Grief can make us tender, but it can also make us sharp. When life breaks open through dementia, caregiving, or death, the pain doesn’t just stay inside our own hearts, it spills into how we treat ourselves and the people around us. I sit down with singer-songwriter Brad Wolf to talk about what it looks like to choose kindness anyway, especially when you’re exhausted, overwhelmed, or unsure what you even need.
Brad shares the story behind his single “Why Wait,” written for his grandmother, who survived Auschwitz and lived to 102. Her belief in tolerance and kindness, grounded in the simple reality that we’re here for a short while, becomes the spine of our conversation. We explore Brad’s framework of kind grief versus destructive grief, why “there’s no wrong emotion” can still coexist with real harm, and how grief often sits underneath division in families and communities.
We also get practical about what actually helps: creativity as an outlet for emotion, music as a form of connection, and why sound can matter so much at the end of life. I share a powerful moment from my mom’s dementia journey when music brought her back to herself, even briefly, and we talk about how laughter and presence can live right alongside the sadness. Brad also explains how Reimagine offers free community grief support through virtual events and a summit designed to make connection feel possible, even for people who don’t want to speak in a group.
If you’ve ever said “I don’t know what to say” to someone in pain, you’ll take away a better option: wise witnessing. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and please leave a review so more caregivers and grievers can find us.
Welcome And Guest Introduction
SPEAKER_02Welcome to Patty's Place, a place where we will talk about grief, dementia, and caregiving. I'm your host, Lisa. I've dedicated this podcast to my mom, who passed away from dementia about two and a half years ago. So I just want you to know you're not alone in all of these things that are going on. So grab your cup of tea, your cup of coffee. If you're having that really bad day, maybe a glass of wine, and we are going to get talking today. So today I'm very excited about our guest. He is singer, songwriter, and reimagined founder Brad Wolf. And he's going to talk about his recent single and all kinds of fun stuff that you do. Brad, welcome to Patty's Place.
SPEAKER_00Thanks so much for having me. Really appreciate being here and here to honor your mom and everyone's uh experiences.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes. And I I listened to your uh your single Why Wait, which is by Brad Wolf and the Moon. That's a really cool video I watched on YouTube. We'll put the link in there too about that. Um so let's talk about that song first.
The Story Behind Why Wait
SPEAKER_02So that was inspired for your grandma. Was that correct?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. My my grandma um lived an incredible life. She lived to 102 and recently passed away. Um, you know, I think a big part of her life's impact on me was the fact that she um grew up in Poland um and and was a prisoner in Auschwitz and some other concentration camps um during World War II. And hearing the stories of the horrific experiences that she went through as a young person, she was 19 and cared for her two younger sisters after her parents were killed uh through those experiences. Um some of those stories were just both heartbreaking and also showed me the resilience of humans in our in our desire for life. And and um Why Wait is a song about um not waiting to live with what matters in our hearts. Uh and she really showed me the preciousness of life and and what that what that really means. What does it really mean to not wait? Um and yeah, one of the things that she said, it's at the beginning of the video, um she said, uh I want people, I I believe people should be tolerant of other religions and other races because we're only here for a short while. Somehow, because of our impermanence for her, that taught her, showed her that that's why um we should be kind. And there's something about death and loss and and serious illness that if you it's a it's a rupture in our lives when something traumatic happens to us, but we have the opportunity during those ruptures to turn toward kindness, to not wait uh to love. And so, yeah, that's what the song Why Wait is about. I wrote it for for her, and um I actually filmed me playing it for her the first time when she heard it, and it eventually became this music video after she's now passed away.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I watched the whole video, it was very good. I really liked it. And she it's so true what your grandma said that when you're having those ruptures to be able to turn to kindness because I have found that it seems like when these things happen, kindness doesn't always come out in everybody.
SPEAKER_00I'm
Kind Grief Versus Destructive Grief
SPEAKER_00I'm about to speak uh at the American Psychological Association of with uh and and debut a new framework that that uh reimagine's been working on that really undergirds our our work as a nonprofit organization, which is about kind grief versus destructive grief. That people say, you know, there's no wrong way to uh to grieve, which is true. There's no wrong emotion. We we we we want to be able to be with and and be okay with where we are. There's no pressure to grow. But what we see time and again is that out of our pain, there can be some negative, destructive outcomes, self-harm, um, harming one another, uh, ways that it that that pain can can shoot out in community and even on a broader global scale. Grief sits beneath a lot of our division uh and a lot of our pain. So, how do we tend toward our grief in ways that move it from uh out of this destructive category toward toward kindness, kindness to ourselves and kindness to others? And if that's the fundamental place that grief can move us, which I think it has the potential to do, the world can be could be different through our own through our own pain.
SPEAKER_02That's that is very true. It really is.
Reimagine And Free Support Communities
SPEAKER_02So let's talk about you have uh you you mentioned Reimagine, it's your nonprofit foundation. So tell us a little bit about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so Reimagines a um really a space um for people of all backgrounds to find uh free community support that's engaging and uh through the hard parts of life. So we've hosted over 5,000 virtual events uh of all kinds where people of all backgrounds, as I mentioned, uh maybe you maybe you're interested in um in movements, maybe you're interested in dance, maybe you're interested in learning uh in a session, maybe you're interested in just mourning, maybe you're interested in peer connection. There's so many types of events that are happening all the time on our platform uh that you can join for free where you meet other people or even sit there and and and soak in what someone's talking about, but just to not be alone, uh, but be an but also potentially be an active participant with other people who understand uh what you're going through, but with the idea that um not just about kind of sitting in the same cycle of our moroseness per se, but right what do we do, what do we do with our pain and and uh how do we transmute it into creativity, into kindness, into acts of love, into small acts of self-care uh to make it okay uh to navigate our pain in these healthy ways. So we have these events that I'm telling you about. We've helped over 250,000 people uh through these experiences. And uh we're we're just releasing a new platform that's like a new social media platform, uh, where the root of the platform is uh navigating our painful moments, but in ways that generate more connection, um, more kindness, more more uh small sweet steps towards positive actions in the world where people are creating something out of their out of their pain.
SPEAKER_02And I think, I mean, I think that's a wonderful idea because sometimes I don't think people realize obviously grief takes many different roads and different emotions and that, but sometimes by being creative or being in a group or doing something simple that your loved one used to love to do, that you are still processing your grief and it's a good way to come together. And I think people get overwhelmed sometimes when they hear like group settings, but you don't always have to say anything. Sometimes, like you said, if you're if you're a doer and you like to, you're hands-on person, there you are. You can like create things and you're being part of a group and you don't feel alone.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, and part of the platform we're building is you don't even have to be public, you don't have to be even show up, you don't have to see anybody else. Uh, we're trying to find ways in for people to find their own path, but enough available paths that meet us all where we are. Um, but but to your point about about creating something, um, there's a lot of power in that. Um, and and learning that and practicing that and and saying, hey, out of my pain, you know, what we try to help people do is figure out what's possible for me now. Um, what's what and what what are my dreams now? Uh, because I can look at my life and say, oh, this this was a hard moment in my life. This is a painful moment, but now what? And and if we can support each other toward finding those now what's that really matter to us, um that's really that's that's the kind of the name of the game because we can't necessarily go back to the same place where things were before because things are different. Uh so where are we gonna go? And and that's where we have some agency, and and um you know, but it's it's hard to to because grief is overwhelming and pain is overwhelming, so or it makes us want to go numb. And so how do we how do we overcome that um together? And to your point about um, you know, when when you get these, when you engage with this, there's a lot of pressure in our culture just to get over it. Just to exactly, yeah, just to get over it and get back to work, get back to whatever I was doing. Um by the time the funeral happens, it's like, oh, all right, now that's over. The now the year mark is done, and it's like move on. Yeah. But the fact is, we can be honoring our loved ones, we can be honoring that experience um for the rest of our lives because that experience of losing somebody or of some kind of pain that we go through, those experiences do stay with us our whole lives. Yes, whether or not we talk about it or not. So we better to actually continually find ways to uh integrate those experiences in our lives in ways that feel good and are healthy for us and for those we care about in an ongoing basis. In honoring the people that we love continually through our actions and through our words and through our our deeds, um, and with support from others who are with us, we can actually make that relationship even stronger, make our relationship with ourselves stronger, and make our relationship with others stronger. So there's so much beauty that can come from these painful places.
SPEAKER_02And
Creativity As A Safe Outlet
SPEAKER_02so how can creativity help us process our emotions?
SPEAKER_00So, you know, I think what it is is that our emotions want an outlet, they crave an outlet. Um you know, we know this because if we try to keep them in, that doesn't usually work. No, it doesn't. And so then what happens? Then one option is it comes out, but it can come out as expression in ways that are not good. Um, you know, me yelling at my wife or me um you not being as patient with somebody that I care about. Um these are things, you know, I don't I you know, we we all we all deal with have you know, we all get angry, we all get sad, we all have these emotions, but how do we respond? Creativity, and I want to say that creativity doesn't just have to be art, it could be all forms of expression. Um, but if we can channel our pain and let it come out in a direction that is generative, that that that is positive, um, that's and there's so many pathways for that. That's beautiful. Uh, and so that's where I think creativity is one of those vectors, and it's something we all have access to in terms of singing. It's like, yeah, we can all sing in the shower, we can all sing in the car, we can all listen to music. And even just being with music, for example, is just one outlet we have. Uh, but so is going for a walk in nature is creative. So is picking out the outfit that we wear in the day. We're creative just by getting through the day. Uh, because we have to make all these choices. And as humans, man, those are creative choices.
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, I mean, it doesn't, like you said, it doesn't necessarily have to be art. It could be, you know, playing with a dog, being around little kids, or like you said, walking in the in nature, any of those things, gardening, all that stuff could be creative.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. And so reimagine what you know, what we help people do is we help people figure out do I want to make a garden? Do I want to take a walk in nature? Do I want to write a song? Do I want to repair a broken relationship? And once we help people figure out what they want to do, then we help support them in literally taking small sweet steps towards their dreams. Um, and in that way, you know, we're all the that that's what it really means to be, I think, a um kind of a hero through our own journey. It's just what are we creating in the world out of what's hard?
SPEAKER_02And
Why Music Heals In Dark Times
SPEAKER_02how does music heal us during our darkest times?
SPEAKER_00I now have a nine-month-old daughter.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00And playing music for Brielle, I see the way that music is so deeply connected to the to just being alive. I mean, I can play her music, and when we get to the chorus of a song, she'll pick up a rattle and start shaking it along, and her body will be moving and dancing to the music, and it makes her so happy. So there's something about music. I don't know if it's spiritual, I don't know if it's science, I don't know what it is, but there's something deep about it that is connecting, that is that brings us into our bodies, that makes us present with the moment when we're really listening and paying attention. And it and it's the vibrations, it's the voice. And and so I I mean, I think that's I think it is healing. Music is healing. Um, when now when there's words attached to it, when you're making it, that's another level too. It's like then you're sharing your something creative with somebody else, whether it's a playlist, but there's something about being together and and sharing music um that is part of, you know, I can I go to a walk down the street the other day, and there was a festival taking place in the streets, and it was one of these things where they have these silent discos where you're people are listening to music, but but you can't hear the music. They're just listening, and everyone's bodies are kind of moving. And it reminded me so much of my daughter. It's like they're moving the exact same way, just wanting to pulsate their bodies. And these really kind of I've kind of felt like an alien looking at them, but it was just wow, look at how music just makes people want to move um and be together. So, so I think there's something in that in being together and slowing down and connecting and in and being present. Um, and I think it's the same thing. It's like just just being present with somebody is a form of of the almost the same thing, but that's really hard. Music's almost easier because it already has that beat that slows us down, that connects us. The next level is like, how do we learn just to be with each other in silence and appreciate the silence? That's hard too.
SPEAKER_02Well, and it is something too because uh with my mom having dementia, we had a music therapist come in for her during when she had hospice. And it was amazing because the first time the music therapist came in the next day, the caregivers were like couldn't wait to tell me that my mom went to a party. She she wasn't leaving the room, she went to the party, she was talking. And then the one time I was there with the music therapist, you know, she didn't know who I was, but she remembered the words to my girl.
SPEAKER_00Isn't that amazing? Yes. What was that like?
SPEAKER_02It was like sitting there and she just is singing along, you know, to him. But my mom always loved music, she always connected very deeply with it. And she had certain songs that she loved to play uh with it because you know, she'd say certain artists knew pain, that's why she loved him so much and stuff.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that's the thing. And what when there's artists no pain, I mean, what what your mom is saying, what is she really saying is like that I connect to that person. That person was able to express something in my heart that connects with me, and I feel less alone. I feel connected, and music has that that property. I've played music now, I've had the opportunity to play music for people at the end of their life on a number of occasions, and it really is so special. You can see the way that music impacts that person. It can impact the other people in the room. Like now you have this memory of your mom and music. You can now listen to that song, My Girl, and and feel something and remember what that song means. And it's a way of of connecting uh that that heals all of us.
SPEAKER_02Well, and she was she was a big Barry Manilo fan. And so she she had a lot of she had years before she had told me what song she wanted played at the service. So, like that last week uh before she died, I played all the a lot of the artists and songs that I knew she likes. And you know, I sh I knew she heard it, you know, she was in the bed and everything. She wasn't really moving, but I knew she heard it, and I always know that brought her happiness. And I always think too, sometimes I'm driving along and I'll be like uh listening to an older station, and then boom, they'll be like, there'll be a Barry Manilow song come on, or there'll be like she loved Gary Lewis and the Playboys from the 60s, you know. So that song will come on, and I'll be like, okay, I know she's saying hi to me, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, that's so that's so special. It's so it's so special. And um, I think what what you did by by finding out and somehow the two of you connecting around what songs meant something to her, where you could then use those songs at that time is is really special. There's a lot of research to show that hearing is in fact the last sound to go, uh the last sense sense to go before we die. And so it makes you think, yeah, what what do I want to hear? Um, what does someone like care about? What would be the nice sound to say goodbye with?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. Um, you know, I and I I knew I always knew what music she liked and everything. So that's why I figured that I'd play that for her because I've heard the research that it's um the last of the hearing to go, you know, for that for her. But yeah, I I think that music helps so much with the creativity. Or if somebody likes to paint or draw, like let them let them do all that, you know, to help.
SPEAKER_00Let's make some music. Let's it's like, yeah, people are afraid, you know, in our culture, this is it's like we're so judgmental as a culture that of course it's scary to be creative or to think I can draw, but just a doodle, yeah, just get your hand moving, get your body shaking, get your voice singing, like any of those things. If we can do it and not judge ourselves and have some self-compassion, um just trying that is so freeing.
SPEAKER_02Well, and too, even when you're, you know, you're in that caregiving mode, sometimes, like for me, uh it was as simple as you know, coloring, you know, even doing a coloring app, it like calmed my mind down, you know, to just focus on these little things. And it's being creative, you know, for whatever it is to help with that.
End Of Life Festivals And The Summit
SPEAKER_02So I I noticed on your website for the reimagine, uh, you have reimagine end of life festival. And is that do I understand that right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, okay. Yeah, we used we haven't hosted one for a bit. Okay. Um, but the way our organization started is we hosted these large-scale citywide festivals called Reimagine End of Life. Okay. Um, where we would have hunt literally like 300 events across the city in a week. Um, and they would be at um comedy clubs, okay, but also hospitals and in graveyards and in uh in this, in even in a city hall, um, or or in art galleries. It was like we tried to make sure that there were events in all the public spaces, private spaces that made up a city where people could get together and somehow create a space that related to this the people that were there uh to open up dialogue about these hard topics, um, but in ways that were often creative and could bring people in and meet people where they were at. Maybe it's laughing about it in comedy, maybe it's a conversation with nurses in the hospital, like I said, maybe it's dancing in City Hall uh with millennials and senior citizens. These are the kinds of things that we were we were putting on together.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And and now we we've gone mostly um into these virtual experiences so people all across the country and the world can participate. And so coming up in on October 15th this year, we are we're having a large scale summit uh that's free uh called Grief in Our Times. And it's a place where we can explore the creative uh expression and uh make some meaning together. Out of our personal pain that we're all experiencing also some of the collective pain that that we're all we're all in.
SPEAKER_02I think that's great. I mean, sometimes I think people uh don't always want to laugh, but I think laughter's good with it because that's remembering different things about your loved one, you know. And sometimes I I I I will tell stories about my mom or other people tell stories about her and that, and it makes me laugh. You know, I'm like, man, she had she can come out with these lines sometimes. We'd be like, you know, and you have to, and it but I feel like it brings you comfort, it brings you closer to them too, when you're able to laugh with it.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I mean, I think laughter is so important, and I think part of it is I mean, what this is what I've learned by by being in these like 5,000 events talking about death. People aren't really talking about death for very long. No, that's like what people end up talking about, and this is what's so beautiful and engaging and creative and life-affirming about them is that we end up people end up talking about things that make us laugh, things that make us feel love, things that make us feel connected, the memories that we have of things in our past, the fears that we have, but things that actually are quite um that are not morbid in the least. They're actually the the the most life-giving. And I think laughter um is is one of those things, just like music. It's like beautiful things, funny things, um, loving things, joyful things are all coming out of the hardest places. And so, yeah, we don't need to censor ourselves around laughing.
SPEAKER_02No, because a lot of times people, you had some really good stories, and that's that's what you want to remember. You don't really want to remember, especially um when they've been sick or even you know, like I remember my mom with the dementia, but then I I also remember how she was before she was sick, but then I've also learned to appreciate the time I had with her in those moments of when she had her, you know, when she was sick with dementia, because like I was able the one thing that people with dementia teach you is to be in that moment because that's the only thing they know.
Dementia, Laughter, And Being Present
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, no, that's so that's so profound. And and you know, a lot of there's this comedian that I love named Chris Garcia, and his um his his father had dementia, and and a lot of his comedy um it's so sweet, honestly, it's so loving. Uh but but but a lot of it, or some of it at least, is him talking about some of these funny things and interactions that happened, you know, through dementia, um that that that that were different, you know, his like how how what the remote became in the house.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like it was a phone, it was all kinds of stuff. And my my mom was in a memory care uh facility, and I mean sometimes when you'd hear two different residents with dementia start talking, you had to not laugh in front of them because they were serious, but it was funny because you just you have to go with it, with it, you know. But they're in that moment, and two minutes later they'll be talking about something else, and you just gotta follow along what they're talking about, you know.
SPEAKER_00I mean, his you share this story about how his dad tried to reseduce his mom, like she was like another, like she was another woman, but he was like seducing her, and it was like so hilarious.
SPEAKER_02Well, um yeah, because my um my mom didn't know who my dad was anymore either. So it was like yeah, with all those different things before it.
SPEAKER_00So life life is just life has all that, you know, there's something maybe it's bittersweetness. I don't know what that emotion is, but it's like, yeah, it's sad, obviously, and painful that the that that the person that you knew is and was functioning in this other way is no longer functioning with their full capabilities in the way that we knew. And now there are these new ways of interacting. And it's sad to to to miss those other interactions that we used to have, and that's that's the grief part. But yet we can still find some joy in who we are right now in the present. And that's what I hear, you know, that's what laughter helps us do because laughter is like when you're laughing, yeah. You're you you you can't be it's hard to be laughing and not be not be present.
SPEAKER_02That's very true.
Self-Compassion, Kindness, Wise Witnessing
SPEAKER_02So, what are some other ways we can foster more communal processing processes for processing grief? Like different ways we can do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think I think there's really three main ways. Um the the first is um being self-compassionate. Okay, I mean, I I you know sometimes when we're in pain and we we if we get angry or we get sad, it's like maybe you're like, I don't, I I should be feeling something else, I should be somewhere else. But if but to be compassionate, that we're not always going to show up our as our best selves all the time, like that's okay. Um, and that helps us um slow down and and and and kind of not blame one another and and not blame ourselves. And by treating ourselves with self-compassion, we can learn more about self-compassion for others. Um we already talked about, so there's how you know, self-compassion is about how we treat ourselves, and there's how we treat others in our pain. It's like can we do acts of kindness? Can we do an act of service even when we're in pain? Um, can we can we show up and and and try to be kind uh somewhere else through our creative expression or through an action that we take and see how that makes us feel? Um, and then and even in that vein, sharing your story is a form of an act of service. So I think like what you're doing on this on this podcast, sharing your story, you know, I know it's healing for all of us, but I assume there's also some healing for you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, I learn things all the time from the guests and that. And and I it is healing in the sense that I I feel comfort in knowing that um I feel close to my mom and that my mom was a caregiver, and people always came and talked to her about things. And she had a lot of tragedy in her life. She had a lot of people that were sick and things like that, and she always tried to help them through grief and in the illness and that. So yeah, I do. I feel healing in the sense that I know it's something she would want to help people with because she always tried to.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that's so life-affirming. And it's and it's and what's happening is by what you're doing, you're you're helping so many other people. So that's there's something about sharing our stories that has that impact. Um, so that's another thing we can do. The third is if, say, you're not in deep feeling in deep grief right now, or even if you are, how do you show up for somebody else that's in pain? Um, so being a wise witness to somebody else's experience. And what I wise witnessing, I mean, I mean um acknowledging uh the state that they're in, being able to sit with it, be able to say, are you, you know, uh not shy away from being with them and talking about the thing that they're going through. Because we the thing that we reimagined just ran a big survey, and the top two um top two reasons people say it's hard to show up for somebody is I don't know what to say, and I'm scared I might say the wrong thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, and maybe there isn't, you know, no right thing always to say, but it's better to say something than say nothing. It's better to care than not care. So if we just tilt toward caring and toward showing up and witnessing somebody else and being with them and not injecting our own feelings, but just being with theirs, that's that's a really beautiful thing to do.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. And um I always say I like that that you said wise witness. I like that. That's a good one.
SPEAKER_00What is that? Tell me what you think about what um what that brings up for you or like what what you like about it.
SPEAKER_02I like it because you're not trying to tell somebody what to do or how to feel. You're trying to be in that moment with that person and then also, like you said, be wise and try to figure out where they are. Because sometimes people just need to vent. They don't want you to fix it. They just want you to listen and validate what they're feeling, you know. Maybe they're just feeling really sad for a minute, or maybe they're just overwhelmed, you know, and they just want you to listen. And, you know, because I always find sometimes people want to fix it. Oh, we'll do this, this, or this. And you're like, okay, now you've overwhelmed me even more, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so I think that's a good one. It's like, do you want I'm or you can say, I'm gonna I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try just to listen right now. If you want some advice, I'm happy to provide some thoughts, but right now I'm gonna try just to listen. How would that let's try that? Tell me what's going on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know, and sometimes it's okay to say, you know what, there's nothing that I can say that's gonna make you feel better, you know, but I'm here, you know, and sometimes you feel like, yeah, you're right, there isn't anything, but I'm glad I know you're here, you know. Because I think when you're grieving and you're a caregiver, you have a hard time asking for your needs because you just you just feel lost with things.
SPEAKER_00And I think I appreciate what you just said. You said when you're grieving and you're a caregiver, it's like what I'm hearing is both sides are are hard. It's like when you're when you're caregiving, when you're in pain, it's hard to ask for help. And when you're a caregiver, it's hard to it's hard to ask. Everybody is is, you know, we can get into this place of tiptoeing around and nobody's saying what they need. It's also hard to know what we need. Exactly. And and so, and so being okay with all of that is is kind of part of the challenge, right?
SPEAKER_02Because everybody's always like, tell me, you know, let me know if you need anything. And you're like, I don't know what it is I need. You know, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, so it it it becomes hard, and like so it kind of goes back to self-compassion, but even then, sometimes you just feel so overwhelmed or lost, you're like, I don't know. And even just to be able to say, you know what, I I need to take a nap. That's what I need to do right now, and that's hard too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And and if it is, but I think what's nice about the taking a nap thing is if you in your mind can say, hey, I'll be better for other people if I take a nap. And even if I can count myself as a better person, that would be next level, saying, like, oh, you know, I can be better to myself if I take a nap. But it's sometimes it helps us in our brains realize that some things that might seem just about us are actually can be for others, and that gives us permission to do those things. Um, and so yeah, taking a nap is is a beautiful act of service often in the area of our pain because it refreshes us and allows us to then interact differently with all the people in our lives. Um, and it's an act of self-compassion. So that that's an act that's you know, both self-compassionate, but it can also be an act of of of um pro-social expression toward others, because by caring for ourselves, we can then better care for others.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. And it's sometimes it's hard to remember that when you're going through all of this, you know, like you said, with the self-compassion.
Where To Find Reimagine And Brad’s Music
SPEAKER_02So if somebody's interested in the in one of your reimagine events or your website or that, how can they get to it?
SPEAKER_00Sure, yeah. So just go to let's reimagine.org. Okay. Um, and you'll find all of that there, let's reimagine.org or on the social channels, let's reimagine uh on Instagram or on Facebook. Um you can find us there. And then um, yeah, you can find my music at Bradwolf W-O-L-F-E, Bradwolf.com, and you'll hear all these songs I've been recently releasing that are the that that's my own expression of uh through my own kind of journey, um, where I found a lot of healing, and which I don't necessarily need to release to anybody to find that healing, but but again, to the extent that it if anyone's helped or connected with the music, um it's kind of a way of all of us paying it forward.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Yeah, so we will I'll make sure that we put those on our page so people can click on to as well as the video for why wait too. So people can click on it.
SPEAKER_01Thanks so much.
SPEAKER_02And I know you said you have an event coming up in October, people can join in too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, that's at at um summit.lets reimagine.com. You'll find that. We will I'll share the link with you, but that's gonna be free, and it's gonna there could, I think it'll be like a thousand or so people uh joining from across the world. We have spaces for you, and um, you'll meet so many people, you'll see so many people in a very low pressure environment. There's like I think 30 to 50 sessions that you can select from. Oh, wow. Okay, anything you are interested in, you'll be able to find uh with with experts and authors and musicians and spiritual leaders and all kinds of very interesting, compassionate people that are all coming together to try to create more kindness um through the hard parts of life.
SPEAKER_02And we definitely need more kindness in this world. We really do at that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I honestly that's what's been coming up for me a lot lately. I used to think that love was a thing that we needed, which I do think we do need love. But then I started thinking, man, out of love, there's some pretty bad things that have happened in the name of love. True. There's there's there's like revenge in the name of love, there's killing in the name of love, but you can't really do any of those things in the name of kindness.
SPEAKER_02That's very true.
SPEAKER_00Yes. So it made me think that like kind grief is is what's so vital is kindness um toward ourselves and toward others. And then and then you know, the right kind of love can manifest from there.
SPEAKER_02That is very, very
Closing Thoughts And Listener Support
SPEAKER_02true. Well, thank you so much for joining us today, Brad. And like I said, we'll have all the links on there. So hopefully you have had a very enlightened conversation uh today. And hopefully you've enjoyed your cup of coffee, your cup of tea, or that glass of wine. And make sure you leave us a review, subscribe to our YouTube channel, and we hope you enjoy another episode of Betty's Place.